Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. And you've got to learn the basics before tackling stuff like this. This is just the sort of bullshit Hagelin has been preaching to the converted to get them to think there is some sort of basis for TM cosmology in acknowledged fact. - or even just in acknowledged theory. Dimensions in string theory would have to be curled up or we'd notice them , they aren't consciousness in any conceivable way. A dimension is something like width, height and depth. If there were more we would be living in them and there just isn't! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Cosmology - the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 01:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 09:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/28/2014 11:42 PM, salyavin808 wrote: You are such a sterling examine of how the public, regardless of how bright they are, can be manipulated into believing the official story. I would expect better. ;-) Ah well, the official story about a lot of things is crap, Take the new war in Iraq, Gulf War part 4 (?). We don't need to take part (we the Brit's I mean) but there we are with our 6 jets. A token effort for moral support? Or is it because we'll get rebuilding contracts if we lend a hand? I'm with the latter, even though our leaders aren't lying about how they feel about ISIS they wouldn't do the same if it was in Africa, no money in return for our troop's lives. So I'm dead cynical about motives for war but I just don't buy the idea that a government of a western country could plot and get away with mass murder of its own citizens. They are shifty bastards obviously and the official line is often a diversionary tactic because they like to play a double game, but it's ultimately for our benefit, we just don't like to know the sordid details. My big fear is that there isn't a shadowy, powerful elite controlling world events. I've a horrible feeling it's all exactly as it appears and these idiots we elect really are in charge. And they'e fumbling around in the dark just as much as the rest of us. Scary huh? You were going to listen the Courtney Brown interview? From his experiment he said it wasn't the government that did it but a group within our government along with some corporate factions. IOW, the shadow government. He also said that our government knows this, is angry about it but the faction apparently has them by the balls and it is difficult to do anything about it. Well I think they should at least rescind their parking permit at Langley. I was not raised to believe that government knows best. The government is supposed to represent us. But they pretty much don't anymore. Yes a small faction would kill a bunch of our citizens to rile up the country to go to war. You should have seen how crazy were following 9-11. We had high boys all anxious to join the military. Flags being sold in front of Safeway. I thought heaven help us! Then the military did a cool thing and said actually we don't want you now to the high school boys. Finish your education first. Same here, loads of people wanted to fight in the first gulf war because of media hysteria. None of this proves any conspiracy theories. People are patriotic and respond in the way they think will make the biggest difference.
[FairfieldLife] Nov 30th clarificatioins from an insider
M: I invited one of the insiders to let me post some of his responses to our discussions here, respecting his desire to remain anonymous. I'll just cut and paste it below: Regarding FFL and other chat groups, 2 big misperceptions out there are: 1) The presentation is somehow about the TM movement, or its leadership, or changing the direction, or anything about the TM movement going forward or in the past...NOT so. Those are simply the hopes or fears, depending on who's thinking them, of the reader or listener. (and as George has already said, he's merely the messenger whose job will be done after this presentation.) and 2) George will be channeling Maharishi on November 30th...nope, NOT so. George has never done that, and is not about to start doing it. He has a stack of notes he's received with the messages and he's creating a presentation to give from those messages. Again, that misperception is also based I think on the hopes and fears of the readers and listeners, depending on what they're thinking!! Finally, as I mentioned to you, the presentation and the various messages have a much broader scope than merely the TM movement...this is about spirituality on the planet, its historical context over the past 5,000 years, and on its going forward from now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I have always noticed that the Movement's leaders mind set on the efficacy of TM,m the Marsy Effect of being a fabulous teacher where his teachers behavior is concerned is very much a compartmentalization mind set. When and as long as said teachers toe whatever the TM party line happens to be at the moment then they are shining examples of what fabulousness TM can create in a person and an example of how spending time with Marshy proves he was a great master. The minute said teachers whoever they may be from Larry Domash, Jerry Jarvis or various and sundry rank and file governors step away from the party line and do or say things that do not reflect whatever the Movement wants you to believe then they generally just dismiss the teachers and try not to even mention them. They don't want any loyal meditators to even think about them, and so attempt to redirect their attention back to TM is good! TM is superlative! TM is better than breathing! TM is superior to all other spiritual endeavors! TM is perfect! TM has no ill effects, ever! Unstressing is YOUR fault! Everyone needs to do TM! We need lots of money to promote TM! Give us your money so we can get the whole world meditating! Have you noticed that all the great stuff TM is supposed to do in a person's life has never manifest in the Movement leaders? What I mean is, none of them do a damn thing except promote TM, which is a self serving agenda. That's all TM does in their lives, leads them to tout TM so they can have a good living and live off the hard work of others. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George.
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
srijau, you don't sound at all panicky to me... On Monday, September 29, 2014 8:10 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nov 30th clarificatioins from an insider
Thanks for clarifications, Curtis. If I remember correctly, it is George's sister who reported receiving the messages. And I admit I smiled a little at the word insider. Already this has insiders associated with it! Dare I say: these are the days for it! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:00 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: M: I invited one of the insiders to let me post some of his responses to our discussions here, respecting his desire to remain anonymous. I'll just cut and paste it below: Regarding FFL and other chat groups, 2 big misperceptions out there are: 1) The presentation is somehow about the TM movement, or its leadership, or changing the direction, or anything about the TM movement going forward or in the past...NOT so. Those are simply the hopes or fears, depending on who's thinking them, of the reader or listener. (and as George has already said, he's merely the messenger whose job will be done after this presentation.) and 2) George will be channeling Maharishi on November 30th...nope, NOT so. George has never done that, and is not about to start doing it. He has a stack of notes he's received with the messages and he's creating a presentation to give from those messages. Again, that misperception is also based I think on the hopes and fears of the readers and listeners, depending on what they're thinking!! Finally, as I mentioned to you, the presentation and the various messages have a much broader scope than merely the TM movement...this is about spirituality on the planet, its historical context over the past 5,000 years, and on its going forward from now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a relatively public letter. Dear Ann, are you a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? Is everyone on this forum a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment. Is everybody a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment?This is not a letter from John Hagelin to another single person. It is a letter to a specific and well designated group of people. And not you. This is a leaked letter to a large group of people who, for some reason, have been singled out as worthy recipients of this correspondence. Depending on ffl to identify who is deemed worthy is absurd. At best. I think you'll be getting closer to Turq, now. Now, why would Hagelin think this is only relevant to Governors and not to all those who have questions and an interest in this George guy's message purportedly from MMY after death? Ask John Hagelin directly, you seem to feel that you are in his inner circle and need to be privy to his every thought. Which you are not. Should I repeat that again, Ann? To my mind it is because this is how the Movement appears, in this case, to be set up as some hierarchy. I say it is unnecessary BS. Hagelin's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a relatively public letter. Dear Ann, are you a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? Is everyone on this forum a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment. Is everybody a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? This is not a letter from John Hagelin to another single person. It is a letter to a specific and well designated group of people. And not you. This is a leaked letter to a large group of people who, for some reason, have been singled out as worthy recipients of this correspondence. Depending on ffl to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Steve, I consider Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn something of a New Age classic. Maybe not in the same category as Tolle's Power of Now or Das Be Here Now, but a classic nonetheless. One of the spiritual organizations that warns about astral realm encourages seekers to focus instead on the celestial realm. I respect that organization a lot so I take it to heart. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:57 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a relatively public letter. Dear Ann, are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Share, there was a time, likely probably many or most of us, when I wanted everything to be super clear. I wanted clear answers to things. But then I realized that wasn't going to happen. Channeling seems a good example of this. Some of it seems right on, perhaps like Barbara's book you mention, which was very influential for me as well. And then so much of channeling seems bogus. So, I employ the take what you want, and leave the rest philosophy, and just try to keep an open mind about things. In general, I m in agreement that channeling seems to be a risky endeavor. But, I feel I've benefited from knowledge and information that is said to come by that means. I have also read reports from the entities being channeled, that it does indeed weaken the vessel that is doing the channeling. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I consider Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn something of a New Age classic. Maybe not in the same category as Tolle's Power of Now or Das Be Here Now, but a classic nonetheless. One of the spiritual organizations that warns about astral realm encourages seekers to focus instead on the celestial realm. I respect that organization a lot so I take it to heart. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:57 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Cosmology - the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nov 30th clarificatioins from an insider
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: I invited one of the insiders to let me post some of his responses to our discussions here, respecting his desire to remain anonymous. I'll just cut and paste it below: Regarding FFL and other chat groups, 2 big misperceptions out there are: 1) The presentation is somehow about the TM movement, or its leadership, or changing the direction, or anything about the TM movement going forward or in the past...NOT so. Those are simply the hopes or fears, depending on who's thinking them, of the reader or listener. (and as George has already said, he's merely the messenger whose job will be done after this presentation.) and 2) George will be channeling Maharishi on November 30th...nope, NOT so. George has never done that, and is not about to start doing it. He has a stack of notes he's received with the messages and he's creating a presentation to give from those messages. Again, that misperception is also based I think on the hopes and fears of the readers and listeners, depending on what they're thinking!! Finally, as I mentioned to you, the presentation and the various messages have a much broader scope than merely the TM movement...this is about spirituality on the planet, its historical context over the past 5,000 years, and on its going forward from now. No ectoplasm then? Shame, I was looking forward to bidding for some on E-bay
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ya nailed it, Curtis. Hey, wouldn't it just be a total gas if Jerry was making a power play here, by validating this channeler guy, and hoo boy, there goes another hunk of the faithful -- hunk of what's left, that is, on the corpse, after every vulture that could wing into town has picked clean all the wavering believers from off the movement's carrion. But there must be many TBers who still yet count themselves better knowers of reality than the rajas, and Jerry and the Channelers might just be a road-act with a bullet that can knock The Vedic Goons off the Pop 40 charts. What has NOT happened in the crazy saga so far, right? Jerry waltzing off with a thousand FFers like the Pied Piper is what. From Maharishi through a channeler who sits on Jerry's ventriloquistic lap -- WHAT IS NOT TO FUCKING LOVE ABOUT THAT? ! ! ! I'd pay a hundred bucks for balcony seats. I expect that either you, nor Curtis have ANY TICKETS TO THE BALCONY SEATING OR THE ORCHESTRA SEATING, or the wherewithal to get tickets, or even get to the venue. You both continue to write about an even that is beyond you. Curtis, if I remember correctly, was hoping he could make a few bucks that night. I suggest that you (1) get yourself together and (2) try to rejoin society as productive members. Until then, I will need to continue to treat your words as just imaginings. Thank you. P.S. I guess I shall now move on to Curtis' Post. You know, the one that made you hot. It's Jerry's retirement plan!
[FairfieldLife] Re: a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I suspect that your outrage, and that of Dan's is limited to your own sacred cows, and doesn't apply to leaks of other secret communications you feel should be revealed. Steve, to answer for myself only, your 'suspicion' is incorrect. Please try again. Just get over it, already. It's nothing! It's not even a tempest in a teapot. Okay, the fact Jerry Jarvis has some involvement, makes it sort of interesting. But still..let it go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
--- noozguru@... wrote : Maybe it's not fair of me because I'm one up on you. You see, my late brother was a Vietnam War era defense contractor. I've seen how the thing works from the inside. --- salyavin808@... wrote : What, you saw them organise mass slaughter of innocent civilians in their own country? And then terminate the witnesses I think you should tell all. --- noozguru@... wrote : I'm met CIA agents. Your Ministry of Defense likes to keep you in the dark by feeding you a lot of propaganda. 9-11 was undoubtedly one of the biggest crimes in history. But the folks in the peanut gallery get their history from Popular Mechanics. Go figger. Yes, it was all planned to make the buildings fall like that, they went to the time and trouble of organising a bunch of foreign nationals with known links to terror groups, taught them to fly planes and let them hi-jack four and fly them into buildings which were also rigged to collapse like a pack of cards - even the one that wasn't hit because it had a few embarrassing secrets in it. They of course used nuclear weapons without anyone noticing. And all this to start a war with someone they were already bombing every day and they couldn't even fake a document to get them off the hook when it turned out he didn't have the weapons they sold him any more. They then terminated the people who organised it and are now happy that the plan failed and they've got to re-invade Iraq at great expense to get rid of the people they didn't terminate in the war they destroyed the WTC to provoke. It all makes sense now. After you with the peanuts. Is there anything called intellectual schizophrenia? Barry2 always talks like this. Barry2's spiritual philosophy is quite sane. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/ 200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories Perhaps it's just the same paranoia the right wingers have, but manifested in a different form.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin!
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Nicely said Buck, you really nailed it. Spoken by a man who gloats about reading Private and Confidential communications and proceeding to denigrate the contents. Good example to follow. And, lest I forget, THE investigative reporter on the scene. Embedded and 'on the ground'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I found Haglin's letter reassuring. I was looking for guidance about Hammond's channeling meeting. Everyone was last week when it came out. Most things shared and sent around the Meditating community no longer make it on to FFL. But the talk on the street, at work, in the community e-mail and messaging last week around Mammond's meeting and Jerry Jarvis being involved was huge. Hagelin's message proly started off internal and then was wanted to go outside for practical reasons of quickly informing the larger movement community. It got the message out which became need at the time with some clarity. It was leaked for a reason. You are splitting hairs over whether it was private or not. It was timely once it came out and no longer private before it ever appeared on FFL. That is also how a community functions, -Buck on the Street turquoiseb writes: From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : In this electronic age, if someone wants something to be private, then they have to be the only one who knows that something. Share and beware. Is this a recommendation for Isolation? I like people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public? That we now have your comments on it. Yikes!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proposal, An Amendment to FFL Guidelines:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. When normal people are having a conversation at a bar and someone tells a scurrilous lie about your friend and you know it's a lie not based on any evidence, if you don't speak up and object, then you might be considered to be in agreement by the rest of the party. Or, just a coward. That's what I think. On 9/29/2014 11:32 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Or not wanting to continue an untoward discussion of your friend. See how that works? The majority is determined by the number of votes cast. In effect, abstention (silence) does imply consent. Whatever is decided is done so for you. - Roberts Rules Of Order Robert Rules does not cover human discourse The exchange of ideas, feeling and love. Never put words in another person's mouth and you'll be OK. The maxim is Qui tacet consentiret: Silence gives consent. - Sir Thomas More But U.S. Law differs with More.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? /Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened./ / Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin! Dearest Ann, You do do the finest graphics (my wife and son are both artists; my daughter and i went for the dough). Are we to sort out out differences? d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. On 9/29/2014 4:33 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? /My job here on FFL is not to answer questions but to question answers. The naive realistic philosophy is unsatisfying. That's all I am saying. ///How many time do I have to spell out my position? Like gravity, MATERIALISISM SUCKS! (/Also, nobody cuts and pastes on a computer - we copy and paste - in this case, my own words from my notes./) The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? / These are questions the historical Buddha wisely chose not to address. Why? Because the answer is unfathomable. We will never know the ultimate reality by discursive means - according to I. Kant. The main questions are: 1. Are we free or are we bound? 2. If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? These are our immediate concerns, not the cosmology - ///the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe./ / Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. /If you are shot by an arrow, you see a surgeon and have the arrow extracted as soon as you can. Don't wait around trying to determine who shot the arrow; from where it came; it's trajectory, speed or whether the tip is made of steel or flint./ /Excerpt from vijnApti matratA siddhi by vasAabAndhu: // // //Reality is Pure Consciousness; external objects // //do not exist outside thought. Reality can be // //directly realized by transcending the // //subject-object duality./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nov 30th clarificatioins from an insider
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: I invited one of the insiders to let me post some of his responses to our discussions here, respecting his desire to remain anonymous. I'll just cut and paste it below: Regarding FFL and other chat groups, 2 big misperceptions out there are: 1) The presentation is somehow about the TM movement, or its leadership, or changing the direction, or anything about the TM movement going forward or in the past...NOT so. Those are simply the hopes or fears, depending on who's thinking them, of the reader or listener. (and as George has already said, he's merely the messenger whose job will be done after this presentation.) and 2) George will be channeling Maharishi on November 30th...nope, NOT so. George has never done that, and is not about to start doing it. He has a stack of notes he's received with the messages and he's creating a presentation to give from those messages. Again, that misperception is also based I think on the hopes and fears of the readers and listeners, depending on what they're thinking!! Finally, as I mentioned to you, the presentation and the various messages have a much broader scope than merely the TM movement...this is about spirituality on the planet, its historical context over the past 5,000 years, and on its going forward from now. No ectoplasm then? Shame, I was looking forward to bidding for some on E-bay I just put some up on ebay for sale. Start bidding.
[FairfieldLife] The Music of the Spheres?
If the Large Hadron Collider made music, what would it sound like? http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/30/large-hadron-collider-music-cern http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/30/large-hadron-collider-music-cern If the Large Hadron Collider made music, what would it s... http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/30/large-hadron-collider-music-cern Seven physicists found out, by turning data from CERN’s experiments in to songs, then playing them in situ. By Stuart Dredge View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/30/large-hadron-collider-music-cern Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR.On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? Is it impossible for you to understand the concept of debate? I guess it is. More missing. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Unless you've done it you really don't know what you're talking about. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Share, there was a time, likely probably many or most of us, when I wanted everything to be super clear. I wanted clear answers to things. But then I realized that wasn't going to happen. Channeling seems a good example of this. Some of it seems right on, perhaps like Barbara's book you mention, which was very influential for me as well. And then so much of channeling seems bogus. So, I employ the take what you want, and leave the rest philosophy, and just try to keep an open mind about things. In general, I m in agreement that channeling seems to be a risky endeavor. But, I feel I've benefited from knowledge and information that is said to come by that means. I have also read reports from the entities being channeled, that it does indeed weaken the vessel that is doing the channeling. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I consider Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn something of a New Age classic. Maybe not in the same category as Tolle's Power of Now or Das Be Here Now, but a classic nonetheless. One of the spiritual organizations that warns about astral realm encourages seekers to focus instead on the celestial realm. I respect that organization a lot so I take it to heart. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:57 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a relatively public letter. Dear Ann, are you a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? Is everyone on this forum a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment. Is everybody a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? This is not a letter from John Hagelin to another single person. It is a letter to a specific and well designated group of people. And not you. This is a leaked letter to a large group of people who, for some reason, have been singled out as worthy recipients of this correspondence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Fleetwood, this makes a lot of sense, about needing a lot of light to traverse the astral realm safely. I also appreciate Steve's guideline to take what's useful and leave the rest. But oh, those tricksters! One mutual friend of ours encountered someone claiming to be channeling Jesus. But he didn't agree. I tend to go a lot by how their energy feels to me. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a
[FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ noun noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
On 9/29/2014 9:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are probably correct, and its too bad that you can't see its all those years being a Marshy sycophant and all those years practicing TMSP that has robbed you of your moral compass. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : /Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. You have already established that TM practice or the TMSP has zero effect on personality or one's moral compass. You just contradicted yourself, big time and not only made yourself look like a sycophant. Go figure./ On 9/29/2014 4:34 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard, I must once more commend you for the patience you have consistently shown. I typed a response to Missing's post to help him regain his moral compass. But his response indicates that he has no Mental compass. Worse. /We are assuming that he once had a moral compass, but we don't really know his full motives for wanting to work for the TM Movement. There must have been an attraction and like almost everyone else, he probably enjoyed the TM practice with the rounding. Obviously it was a mistake to go up to Iowa to work for the TMO - it looks like that was not a good match. It won't be the first or last time a university staff worker got disgruntled. To this day I still hate the shop instructor at my High School! But, I don't go on line to Tool Time groups and throw a Crescent wrench at the online mechanics. So, most people move on because they realize that in the great scheme of things and in their personal life, it's not a very important event. Or, in some cases THE biggest event. What happens sometimes is the obsession takes over. This has been attested in hundreds of cases as reported by John Knapp during cult exit counseling. The lesson learned: you don't have to like your boss - just do what he says - he's the one making the big bucks and taking all the risks. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin!
[FairfieldLife] Re: a right to privacy
Okay, for example, Carmen Segarra who recorded Fed meetings, in which she felt the Fed was too subservient to the Wall Street Banks in dealing with the financial crises, I suppose you feel those recordings should not have been revealed? There really were no great revelations in those recordings, but they offered insight into the crisis and how the Fed responded. You have said your son participates in demonstrations in the financial district against the power of big banks and financial institutions. I suppose if he came across a confidential document that shed insight into how these banks operate, you would recommend to him that he not reveal that information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I suspect that your outrage, and that of Dan's is limited to your own sacred cows, and doesn't apply to leaks of other secret communications you feel should be revealed. Steve, to answer for myself only, your 'suspicion' is incorrect. Please try again. Just get over it, already. It's nothing! It's not even a tempest in a teapot. Okay, the fact Jerry Jarvis has some involvement, makes it sort of interesting. But still..let it go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Who knows Dan, maybe you like all this attention. Have at it dude. Don't let me stand in the way of your hissy fit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
It comes down to this: When we get 'to the bottom of this' what do we find . . . a brute fact, an inert material process, or, will we find value, a nature, an innate disposition . . .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
this ain't no aveenu malkanu Dan. this is just a minor flap. (or at least it was) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Nicely said Buck, you really nailed it. Spoken by a man who gloats about reading Private and Confidential communications and proceeding to denigrate the contents. Good example to follow. And, lest I forget, THE investigative reporter on the scene. Embedded and 'on the ground'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I found Haglin's letter reassuring. I was looking for guidance about Hammond's channeling meeting. Everyone was last week when it came out. Most things shared and sent around the Meditating community no longer make it on to FFL. But the talk on the street, at work, in the community e-mail and messaging last week around Mammond's meeting and Jerry Jarvis being involved was huge. Hagelin's message proly started off internal and then was wanted to go outside for practical reasons of quickly informing the larger movement community. It got the message out which became need at the time with some clarity. It was leaked for a reason. You are splitting hairs over whether it was private or not. It was timely once it came out and no longer private before it ever appeared on FFL. That is also how a community functions, -Buck on the Street turquoiseb writes: From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Ah, the sage speak! Oh great one, reveal to us the mysteries of The Great Channel! On second thought, I can do without. Love ya though. Remember, do not stop posting here! (gift that keeps on giving sort of thing) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Unless you've done it you really don't know what you're talking about. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Share, there was a time, likely probably many or most of us, when I wanted everything to be super clear. I wanted clear answers to things. But then I realized that wasn't going to happen. Channeling seems a good example of this. Some of it seems right on, perhaps like Barbara's book you mention, which was very influential for me as well. And then so much of channeling seems bogus. So, I employ the take what you want, and leave the rest philosophy, and just try to keep an open mind about things. In general, I m in agreement that channeling seems to be a risky endeavor. But, I feel I've benefited from knowledge and information that is said to come by that means. I have also read reports from the entities being channeled, that it does indeed weaken the vessel that is doing the channeling. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I consider Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn something of a New Age classic. Maybe not in the same category as Tolle's Power of Now or Das Be Here Now, but a classic nonetheless. One of the spiritual organizations that warns about astral realm encourages seekers to focus instead on the celestial realm. I respect that organization a lot so I take it to heart. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:57 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
maybe we'll find all of this co existing together... On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:55 AM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It comes down to this: When we get 'to the bottom of this' what do we find . . . a brute fact, an inert material process, or, will we find value, a nature, an innate disposition . . .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
On 9/29/2014 12:49 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I find it remarkable, that despite all the changes in the world, and some of the looks like crazy within the TMO itself, a person can get instructed in the same technique of TM, today, in exactly the same way, as we all learned it 30, 40, and 50 years ago. As long as that goes on, I'm good. According to what I've read, TM instruction now is exactly the same as when the first TMers got initiated in India back in 1955. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. fleet, Another excellent analogy. You have, hopefully clarified a bit with your example. It is an 'interesting' and IMPORTANT topic. Once you accept that The Whole Purpose of Maharishi's approach and the resultant TMO is to propagate The Knowledge, everything becomes transparant (as necessary). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and tone of the letter I certainly can't see why it would have to be confidential in any way. I thought he stated his reasons for finding George's conversation with MMY suspect and perhaps superfluous and it all came across as simply his viewpoint on the thing. Why Hagelin would feel he needs to keep this letter private and exclusive smacks of the hierarchical BS that seems to abound in the Movement - something I can't abide. Hagelin's letter was fine, there were no trade secrets, no mysteries revealed, nothing shocking to report. I respect his views given his experience of having been around MMY and I don't think his letter was unreasonable or extreme in any way. I don't think it needs to be private because it simply gives the reader a clear idea of where Hagelin stands on this subject (no surprises there). Dear Ann, If a person wishes to keep their private letters private. That is their right. It is not up to someone else to decide whether the content deserves privacy. Do you see that? Dan Here is what I see, Dan. The letter was addressed to Governors (of the Age of Enlightenment?).This would make this a relatively public letter. Dear Ann, are you a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment? Is everyone on this forum a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment. Is everybody a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment?This is not a letter from John Hagelin to another single person. It is a letter to a specific and well designated group of people. And not you. This is a leaked letter to a large group of people who, for some reason, have been singled out as worthy recipients of this correspondence. Depending on ffl to identify who is deemed worthy is absurd. At best. I think you'll be getting closer to Turq, now. Now, why would Hagelin think this is only relevant to Governors and not to all those who have questions and an interest in this George guy's message purportedly from MMY after death? Ask John Hagelin directly, you seem to feel that you are in his inner circle and need to be privy to his every thought. Which you are not. Should I repeat that again, Ann? To my mind it is because this is how the Movement appears, in this case, to be set up as some hierarchy. I say it is unnecessary BS. Hagelin's message to all of the Governors on the planet Is your implication that YOU ANN should be included in all Governor business? How was that TTC? Maharishi give you personal guidance that would change your life? Or not so?is hardly a private message. What don't you understand about a letter that is marked private?I don't like hierarchies for the sake of hierarchies. There has to be a good reason for this kind of secrecy and need for exclusivity and as far as I can tell Hagelin's letter doesn't qualify. But maybe you have some insight I am not privy to. ALMOST AN
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Who knows Dan, maybe you like all this attention. No. It's the slander that I don't let stand. Have at it dude. That's Mr Dude to you. Are gettin ready to hurl those insults? Don't let me stand in the way of your hissy fit. And there they are! So predictable. You need to talk to Mike. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR.On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
On 9/30/2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ /noun/ noun: *sycophant*; plural noun: *sycophants* a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds. /A sycophant is anyone that bakes cup cakes for their boss in order to get a raise or better housing at a yoga camp./ /The word retains the meaning of an informer in Modern Greek and French; but in modern English, the meaning of the word has shifted to that of an insincere flatterer./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin! Dearest Ann, You do do the finest graphics (my wife and son are both artists; my daughter and i went for the dough). Are we to sort out out differences? d Differences are not a bad thing. Differences indicate diversity and complexity and therefore often result in that which is interesting and capable of disseminating knowledge. Rejoice in the differences! Artists keep the world alive with beauty and depth and we could not live without such things - and to think you have two artists in your family. You are a rich man indeed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 9:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are probably correct, and its too bad that you can't see its all those years being a Marshy sycophant and all those years practicing TMSP that has robbed you of your moral compass. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. You have already established that TM practice or the TMSP has zero effect on personality or one's moral compass. You just contradicted yourself, big time and not only made yourself look like a sycophant. Go figure. On 9/29/2014 4:34 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard, I must once more commend you for the patience you have consistently shown. I typed a response to Missing's post to help him regain his moral compass. But his response indicates that he has no Mental compass. Worse. We are assuming that he once had a moral compass, but we don't really know his full motives for wanting to work for the TM Movement. There must have been an attraction and like almost everyone else, he probably enjoyed the TM practice with the rounding. Possible explanation. I'll go with it unless Mike has provided his own explanation of his motives and experience of that time. Obviously it was a mistake to go up to Iowa to work for the TMO - it looks like that was not a good match. It won't be the first or last time a university staff worker got disgruntled. To this day I still hate the shop instructor at my High School! But, I don't go on line to Tool Time groups and throw a Crescent wrench at the online mechanics. I know you wouldn't. You are reasonable, level-headed, and Extremely Patient. Just listening to Mike tell his life-story over and over, again and again, takes Some Patience. So, most people move on because they realize that in the great scheme of things and in their personal life, it's not a very important event. Or, in some cases THE biggest event. What happens sometimes is the obsession takes over. This has been attested in hundreds of cases as reported by John Knapp during cult exit counseling. Agree. But living in NYC provides a broad spectrum of people, many of who's past has taken over. Most are cared for by DoPIS. Human tragedy. The lesson learned: you don't have to like your boss - just do what he says - he's the one making the big bucks and taking all the risks. Go figure. Wish he'd follow this adage. It's never too late for anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. I too have fond childhood memories of the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus. I am glad that I never attended after childhood. I think the freak show would have freaked me out. And about those fleas...they're really not there? Sure? Wow, freak me out again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
On 09/29/2014 11:59 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 01:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/29/2014 09:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/28/2014 11:42 PM, salyavin808 wrote: You are such a sterling examine of how the public, regardless of how bright they are, can be manipulated into believing the official story. I would expect better. ;-) Ah well, the official story about a lot of things is crap, Take the new war in Iraq, Gulf War part 4 (?). We don't need to take part (we the Brit's I mean) but there we are with our 6 jets. A token effort for moral support? Or is it because we'll get rebuilding contracts if we lend a hand? I'm with the latter, even though our leaders aren't lying about how they feel about ISIS they wouldn't do the same if it was in Africa, no money in return for our troop's lives. So I'm dead cynical about motives for war but I just don't buy the idea that a government of a western country could plot and get away with mass murder of its own citizens. They are shifty bastards obviously and the official line is often a diversionary tactic because they like to play a double game, but it's ultimately for our benefit, we just don't like to know the sordid details. My big fear is that there isn't a shadowy, powerful elite controlling world events. I've a horrible feeling it's all exactly as it appears and these idiots we elect really are in charge. And they'e fumbling around in the dark just as much as the rest of us. Scary huh? You were going to listen the Courtney Brown interview? From his experiment he said it wasn't the government that did it but a group within our government along with some corporate factions. IOW, the shadow government. He also said that our government knows this, is angry about it but the faction apparently has them by the balls and it is difficult to do anything about it. Well I think they should at/least /rescind//their parking permit at Langley. I was not raised to believe that government knows best. The government is supposed to represent us. But they pretty much don't anymore. Yes a small faction would kill a bunch of our citizens to rile up the country to go to war. You should have seen how crazy were following 9-11. We had high boys all anxious to join the military. Flags being sold in front of Safeway. I thought heaven help us! Then the military did a cool thing and said actually we don't want you now to the high school boys. Finish your education first. Same here, loads of people wanted to fight in the first gulf war because of media hysteria. None of this proves any conspiracy theories. People are patriotic and respond in the way they think will make the biggest difference. To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. Yes, my In-Your-Face Brother! If you want friendships, you must have arguments. --quoted from my Commentary on BG (in progress) battlefield scene ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. And the art that circuses seemed to indirectly generate is amazing. While googling vintage circus posters so many incredible works of art popped up. Some might call them graphics but some are astounding nevertheless. Check it out sometime.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
On 09/30/2014 06:19 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: --- noozguru@... wrote : Maybe it's not fair of me because I'm one up on you. You see, my late brother was a Vietnam War era defense contractor. I've seen how the thing works from the inside. --- salyavin808@... wrote : What, you saw them organise mass slaughter of innocent civilians in their own country? And then terminate the witnesses I think you should tell all. --- noozguru@... wrote : I'm met CIA agents. Your Ministry of Defense likes to keep you in the dark by feeding you a lot of propaganda. 9-11 was undoubtedly one of the biggest crimes in history. But the folks in the peanut gallery get their history from Popular Mechanics. Go figger. Yes, it was all planned to make the buildings fall like that, they went to the time and trouble of organising a bunch of foreign nationals with known links to terror groups, taught them to fly planes and let them hi-jack four and fly them into buildings which were also rigged to collapse like a pack of cards - even the one that wasn't hit because it had a few embarrassing secrets in it. They of course used nuclear weapons without anyone noticing. And all this to start a war with someone they were already bombing every day and they couldn't even fake a document to get them off the hook when it turned out he didn't have the weapons they sold him any more. They then terminated the people who organised it and are now happy that the plan failed and they've got to re-invade Iraq at great expense to get rid of the people they didn't terminate in the war they destroyed the WTC to provoke. It all makes sense now.After you with the peanuts. Is there anything called intellectual schizophrenia? Barry2 always talks like this. Barry2's spiritual philosophy is quite sane. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/ 200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories Perhaps it's just the same paranoia the right wingers have, but manifested in a different form. So intellectual curiosity is now a mental disease? I think what we really have is a vast amount the public who behave like scared rabbits whenever someone suggests there might be more to an event than meets the eye. I guess most people here don't like a good mystery. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : this ain't no aveenu malkanu Dan. this is just a minor flap. (or at least it was) (-: I hope the rest of the congregation here got this. My Brother P.S. Wait until what's-left-of-the-congregation-here hears me during Yom Kippur. You think I'm being a little-too-direct-now? Wait a few days. Judaism 101: Yom Kippur http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm Judaism 101: Yom Kippur http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm Learn about the Jewish Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur. View on www.jewfaq.org http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Nicely said Buck, you really nailed it. Spoken by a man who gloats about reading Private and Confidential communications and proceeding to denigrate the contents. Good example to follow. And, lest I forget, THE investigative reporter on the scene. Embedded and 'on the ground'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I found Haglin's letter reassuring. I was looking for guidance about Hammond's channeling meeting. Everyone was last week when it came out. Most things shared and sent around the Meditating community no longer make it on to FFL. But the talk on the street, at work, in the community e-mail and messaging last week around Mammond's meeting and Jerry Jarvis being involved was huge. Hagelin's message proly started off internal and then was wanted to go outside for practical reasons of quickly informing the larger movement community. It got the message out which became need at the time with some clarity. It was leaked for a reason. You are splitting hairs over whether it was private or not. It was timely once it came out and no longer private before it ever appeared on FFL. That is also how a community functions, -Buck on the Street turquoiseb writes: From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ah, the sage speak! Oh great one, reveal to us the mysteries of The Great Channel! On second thought, I can do without. Love ya though. Remember, do not stop posting here! (gift that keeps on giving sort of thing) (-: unlike how some people are representing this, Maharishi is not being channeled. ---quoted from George Hammond September 21, 2014 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Unless you've done it you really don't know what you're talking about. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Share, there was a time, likely probably many or most of us, when I wanted everything to be super clear. I wanted clear answers to things. But then I realized that wasn't going to happen. Channeling seems a good example of this. Some of it seems right on, perhaps like Barbara's book you mention, which was very influential for me as well. And then so much of channeling seems bogus. So, I employ the take what you want, and leave the rest philosophy, and just try to keep an open mind about things. In general, I m in agreement that channeling seems to be a risky endeavor. But, I feel I've benefited from knowledge and information that is said to come by that means. I have also read reports from the entities being channeled, that it does indeed weaken the vessel that is doing the channeling. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I consider Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn something of a New Age classic. Maybe not in the same category as Tolle's Power of Now or Das Be Here Now, but a classic nonetheless. One of the spiritual organizations that warns about astral realm encourages seekers to focus instead on the celestial realm. I respect that organization a lot so I take it to heart. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:57 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, Share, that is what I am saying. He says he doesn't do it anymore, that it was an embarrassing chapter in his past, and yet he regularly seems to know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. To me that sounds like channeled knowledge, at least of some sort. I have mentioned this before, but I have read books containing supposedly channeled knowledge, and I've found them very valuable. Among the best for me, was Barbara Marciniak, and to a lessor extent, Barbara Hand Clow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there,
[FairfieldLife] Re: a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay, for example, Carmen Segarra who recorded Fed meetings, in which she felt the Fed was too subservient to the Wall Street Banks in dealing with the financial crises, I suppose you feel those recordings should not have been revealed? There really were no great revelations in those recordings, but they offered insight into the crisis and how the Fed responded. You have said your son participates in demonstrations in the financial district against the power of big banks and financial institutions. I suppose if he came across a confidential document that shed insight into how these banks operate, you would recommend to him that he not reveal that information. He's a grown man. We're a 'mixed family' politically. Share similar values and hopes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I suspect that your outrage, and that of Dan's is limited to your own sacred cows, and doesn't apply to leaks of other secret communications you feel should be revealed. Steve, to answer for myself only, your 'suspicion' is incorrect. Please try again. Just get over it, already. It's nothing! It's not even a tempest in a teapot. Okay, the fact Jerry Jarvis has some involvement, makes it sort of interesting. But still..let it go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin! Dearest Ann, You do do the finest graphics (my wife and son are both artists; my daughter and i went for the dough). Are we to sort out out differences? d Differences are not a bad thing. Differences indicate diversity and complexity and therefore often result in that which is interesting and capable of disseminating knowledge. Rejoice in the differences! You got the entire essence of Bhagavad-Gita! To quote me: If you want friendships, you must have arguments. --quoted from my Commentary on BG (in progress) battlefield scene To quote me (or me plagiarizing): We are all One, just different. --quoted from my Commentary on BG (in progress) Krisha to Arjuna Artists keep the world alive with beauty and depth and we could not live without such things - and to think you have two artists in your family. You are a rich man indeed. Rich and Really Rich I now have a picture of you in my mind. Rowing. d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. And the art that circuses seemed to indirectly generate is amazing. While googling vintage circus posters so many incredible works of art popped up. Some might call them graphics but some are astounding nevertheless. Check it out sometime. Those posters beat our Posters. But for balance, I'd put my money on Richard every time. Thanks for the artwork. d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
It is often the TM obsessors, who are unable to abide differences of opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
[FairfieldLife] But Wait! There's More!
I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Michael, You would do well to observe and learn to understand how to resolve differences. You seem to have ONE SINGLE ISSUE that has stymied your life. There, I've done my Good Deed for the New Year. Back to reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It is often the TM obsessors, who are unable to abide differences of opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Cosmology - the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Richard, These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's something to push the answer onto rather than answer it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe. On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Cosmology - the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
I am so thankful that I have a TM Certified and Double Rectified Head Examiner to diagnose me from afar and tell me what all my problems are. Why don't you do like Jonathan Shapiro did Kenny Odom and tell me that all my problems would vanish if I just did the siddhis? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Michael, You would do well to observe and learn to understand how to resolve differences. You seem to have ONE SINGLE ISSUE that has stymied your life. There, I've done my Good Deed for the New Year. Back to reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It is often the TM obsessors, who are unable to abide differences of opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR.On the other
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
I know exactly what it means and you, Steve, Share, Feste, Nabby and other like Sri all qualify. You are still hoping to gain advantage in this life and after by paying homage to a liar, cheat, and con artist. Good luck. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book) syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ noun noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Yeah, Dan does this qualify as debate? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Who knows Dan, maybe you like all this attention. Have at it dude. Don't let me stand in the way of your hissy fit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR.On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. I won't answer for Richard, but for me dealing with the jihadists is real-world action. I recommend it. Meditate and Act! The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? Yes, in conjunction with other Evolutionary action (for example, I pray to God...can't hurt!). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
Has anyone commented on this George Hammond? Anyone know him? I'm from Madison WI and I think he hails from the vaulted Hammond family in these parts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote : Has anyone commented on this George Hammond? Anyone know him? I'm from Madison WI and I think he hails from the vaulted Hammond family in these parts. I was in Madison earlier this year, on my way to visit friends in Dodgeville. Vaulted is an interesting choice of words. Regards, Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am so thankful that I have a TM Certified and Double Rectified Head Examiner to diagnose me from afar and tell me what all my problems are. Why don't you do like Jonathan Shapiro did Kenny Odom and tell me that all my problems would vanish if I just did the siddhis? My best suggestion is for you to try to help some other people with their lives. It will help yours. I promise. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Michael, You would do well to observe and learn to understand how to resolve differences. You seem to have ONE SINGLE ISSUE that has stymied your life. There, I've done my Good Deed for the New Year. Back to reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It is often the TM obsessors, who are unable to abide differences of opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I know exactly what it means and you, Steve, Share, Feste, Nabby and other like Sri all qualify. You are still hoping to gain advantage in this life and after by paying homage to a liar, cheat, and con artist. Good luck. Michael, Like with everything else, you are confused with the words meaning but insist I know exactly what it means. Try questioning once in a while. You know, like Reflection. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book) syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ noun noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Yeah, Dan does this qualify as debate? Exactly! Steve offers his hypothesis in Line #1. In Line #2 he offers for my retort. In Line #3 he offers broad sway for me to respond. Now you try it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Who knows Dan, maybe you like all this attention. Have at it dude. Don't let me stand in the way of your hissy fit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs the message. Because I don't see that the material contained in Hagelin's letter is anything but benign I don't understand the need to exclude others from reading it but, hey, that's just me. John Hagelin wrote: Private and confidential for Certified Governors on top. Is it that you don't know what Private means? Or is it that you don't understand the concept of confidential, or, let me take a wild guess: YOU ARE A CERTIFIED GOVERNOR. On the other hand, I know how hierarchies work and they are necessary in many cases but not for the reason of making others feel less important or less able to process a message. Hierarchies are there to preserve order and structure and I have no problem with that as long as they are not a way to practice the worst kind of exclusivity. ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR CERTIFIED GOVERNORS OR IS IT MORE? Ann? As fleet might write: Ann, would you consider stealing a look at any other scientists work?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/30/2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ noun noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds. A sycophant is anyone that bakes cup cakes for their boss in order to get a raise or better housing at a yoga camp. The word retains the meaning of an informer in Modern Greek and French; but in modern English, the meaning of the word has shifted to that of an insincere flatterer. Sycophant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant Sycophant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant The word sycophant has its origin in the legal system of Classical Athens. Having no police force and only a limited number of officially appointed public prosecuto... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant Preview by Yahoo Dear Sincere Richard, While I usually admire your scholarship (along with the patience that you display in your attempt to share it with others), I must question your particular (peculiar) use of Wikipedia to respond to my post. I do not recognize the scholarship of Wikileaks. It is the sum total of the Conventional Wisdom generated by an assortment of contributors, most of whom are not expert. The sum is unimaginable (unless you query Wikipedia and get soused doing it). I prefer to get stupid with wine. But, hey, that's just me. Your partner in real (Truthful) scholarship, Mr d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
On 9/30/2014 12:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. /We need to consider that there might be two truths. There is an absolute truth and a relative truth. According to what I've read, reality is ultimately a non-dual union of emptiness and form, with form being innately subject to development over time. Only in unity consciousness, or oneness with all reality, do we eliminate boundaries and find peace. Unity consciousness, or no-boundary consciousness, by definition has no boundary. There are really no boundaries in the universe or in nature and unity-consciousness does not exist in space-time.// // //According to Ken Wilber, none of these relative levels are true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. All of Wilber's AQAL categories relate to relative truth in the two truths doctrine, to which he subscribes. / The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? /In Eye to Eye, Wilber applies his spectrum of consciousness model to epistemology. Epistemology is the science of what can be known - knowledge, and how we get it. Attempting to investigate the realm of spirit, for example, with the eye of flesh, that is, the eye that perceives only sensory phenomena, will not yield real knowledge of the realm of spirit, which is not disclosed to sensory perception. There is an old Zen saying: The eye cannot see itself./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? /Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened./ / Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book)
On 9/30/2014 12:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I know exactly what it means and you, Steve, Share, Feste, Nabby and other like Sri all qualify. You are still hoping to gain advantage in this life and after by paying homage to a liar, cheat, and con artist. Good luck. Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. It has not been established that anyone is paying homage to anyone to gain advantage. If that were the case, they would be baking cookies for Bevan at MUM. *From:* danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:40 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Mike use a dictionary (and also, read a book) syc·o·phant ˈsikəfənt,-ˌfant/ /noun/ noun: *sycophant*; plural noun: *sycophants* a person who acts deferentially toward someone important in order to gain advantage. not the diss you were hoping for? You can use Urban Dictionary to talk to your buds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : To this day I still hate the shop instructor at my High School! But, I don't go on line to Tool Time groups and throw a Crescent wrench at the online mechanics. On 9/30/2014 10:36 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: I know you wouldn't. You are reasonable, level-headed, and Extremely Patient. Just listening to Mike tell his life-story over and over, again and again, takes Some Patience. This guy, Mr. Chambers, who is probably long dead by now, in Automotive Shop once threw a Crescent wrench at me and missed. The occasion was the day my turn came to man the tool room. Chambers had mounted little hooks on the wall behind the counter and had painted the outlines of all the tools indicating where they should be placed at the end of class. One day the Crescent wrench was missing when the bell went off. Oh my Gawd!!! These guys were Obsessive Compulsive. Your scene was used in Orange is the New Black. I took Cooking Class. My Mom wrote that cooking would be more useful than automotives. Turns out the technology proved her right (again). The bully Chambers used to make us sit in the class room and read from a Chilton's automotive text book BEFORE we started work on our cars. The bastard! I feel you. My first day at The Bronx High School of Science, I walk into the auditorium late (Dad taught me that). The Principal is at the podioum droning on about bullship until I arrive. Suddenly he's found his raison d'etre. Then he begins screaming: Son!, You!, That boy! and on and on. I show no interest in discourse. He's doing his screaming best (an attribute of many Principals). He begins a rant about tardiness, that goes right over my head. If you remember lateness is something tought at a tender age by my Dear Dad). So the whole fucking thing has no interest, at all, to me (Surprised?) From that day, for the remainder of my high school years, I attracted the most motley cast of characters that NYC could gin up. And yes, we did drink gin before starting class in the morning. And the day took off from there...
[FairfieldLife] For all romantics out there
/Another thing you can do is learn how to dance. At least learn the two-step and the basic waltz. We both know how to do the jitterbug and the jive and we've been to a few sock hops in our time and a few time we rocked the Avalon Ballroom. There's almost nothing more romantic than a dance with your partner. For guys, remember you're supposed to be the dance leader. And for the gals, remember it's all about the rhythm. / Dancing In Old San Antonio On Saturday Night: http://youtu.be/pLIf5b6S_y4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Dan, I agree with what you're saying here. But there are some people here who does not believe in any deity. You probably know already who they are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. I won't answer for Richard, but for me dealing with the jihadists is real-world action. I recommend it. Meditate and Act! The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? Yes, in conjunction with other Evolutionary action (for example, I pray to God...can't hurt!). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dan, I agree with what you're saying here. But there are some people here who does not believe in any deity. You probably know already who they are. Junior, I am sensitive to that. I carefully chose my words when posting: for example, I pray to God...can't hurt! I am speaking from my own perspective, which is one of 6 billion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. I won't answer for Richard, but for me dealing with the jihadists is real-world action. I recommend it. Meditate and Act! The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? Yes, in conjunction with other Evolutionary action (for example, I pray to God...can't hurt!). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin! M: WTF? I don't understand any part of this or why my name is here. Do you mean the free meeting minutes from my place in Alexandria VA perhaps? Dearest Ann, You do do the finest graphics (my wife and son are both artists; my daughter and i went for the dough). Are we to sort out out differences? d Differences are not a bad thing. Differences indicate diversity and complexity and therefore often result in that which is interesting and capable of disseminating knowledge. Rejoice in the differences! You got the entire essence of Bhagavad-Gita! To quote me: If you want friendships, you must have arguments. --quoted from my Commentary on BG (in progress) battlefield scene To quote me (or me plagiarizing): We are all One, just different. --quoted from my Commentary on BG (in progress) Krisha to Arjuna Artists keep the world alive with beauty and depth and we could not live without such things - and to think you have two artists in your family. You are a rich man indeed. Rich and Really Rich I now have a picture of you in my mind. Rowing. d
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Dan, That's fairly close to how I understand the Bible. There are also some esoteric interpretation of the Bible stories which are not mentioned in any of the orthodox interpretation by Jewish and Christian scholars. Specifically, Egypt represents the lower chakras or the region of hell; the Nile River represents the spinal nerves that lead to the head, the Promised Land; the Ark of the Covenant is located in the pineal gland. (These are discussed by Santos Bonacci in his presentations on YouTube). In the esoteric tradition, the pineal gland is considered to be equivalent to the Third Eye, the stargate or portal to the rest of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos? Basically, If you think it was intrinsic to the start of the universe, how did it avoid the chaos, how could it have been around before the big bang? What does just saying consciousness started everything mean? What started consciousness? Big questions! Important ones for the mystically minded to answer. Consciousness here just means God, it's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
How do you know I am not already doing so? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am so thankful that I have a TM Certified and Double Rectified Head Examiner to diagnose me from afar and tell me what all my problems are. Why don't you do like Jonathan Shapiro did Kenny Odom and tell me that all my problems would vanish if I just did the siddhis? My best suggestion is for you to try to help some other people with their lives. It will help yours. I promise. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Michael, You would do well to observe and learn to understand how to resolve differences. You seem to have ONE SINGLE ISSUE that has stymied your life. There, I've done my Good Deed for the New Year. Back to reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It is often the TM obsessors, who are unable to abide differences of opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, of course the fact that TMers disagree with one another proves that we're not in a cult. (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:03 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: what you miss Michael is the ability to get into one anothers face when we see fit. it's called discussing things, even with an edge. MIchaels version of discussion: Wait, what? You disagree? Why you are just a TB, Cult Apologist, Sycophant. Work on Michael. After a while you may get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Don't you just love it when the Marshy sycophants fight each other? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus Dan, Inappropriate Greeting, Steve Let it go. This ain't no big deal. It ain't. I understand that you are claiming thatThis ain't no big deal to you (although I do notice you are posting quite a lot about it), but it is to me. So now, take a deep breath and JUST STOP TELLING ME TO Let it go I will continue to run my life, as you should too. Ann has a perfectly balanced perspective on the whole thing. Whatt I guess that's Been Decided. Lay off already! Is that your best?: Lay off already! That is your what, moral stance, intellectual argument, humanistic position? Ann asked why we were disagreeing. I respect Ann enough to honestly discuss our differences. Unlike the ffl Dialogue that is intended to incite flares. Hurling at me won't 'just do it', Steve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. Hey Mac, always nice to chat and weigh in with you. I understand the hierarchy business and yet the use of hierarchy can also be used negatively - as a way of excluding in order to have power over. I don't know for sure if this is what the Movement does in general or if Hagelin is using his recent letter addressed to all Certified Governors in this way or not. What I do know is that the letter does not seem to reveal anything about what Hagelin feels that the common man or woman couldn't or shouldn't need to know if they are at all interested in pursuing what this George guy has to say in the context of his message from the deceased MMY. Frankly, I have no interest in any messages through George but the mood and tone of the November gathering might be what is most interesting - the medium vs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : (snip Edg's charitable post, thank brother.) D: I expect that either you, nor Curtis have ANY TICKETS TO THE BALCONY SEATING OR THE ORCHESTRA SEATING, or the wherewithal to get tickets, or even get to the venue. M: I can almost see the venue from my balcony. The process for free access to the event is to sign up at the Website so the wherewithal subject is moot. D:You both continue to write about an even that is beyond you. M: You mean right next to me? D: Curtis, if I remember correctly, was hoping he could make a few bucks that night. M: I said I would not attend if I was hired for a show that day. Otherwise I probably will if just to shake Jerry's hand after all these years. D: I suggest that you (1) get yourself together and (2) try to rejoin society as productive members. Until then, I will need to continue to treat your words as just imaginings. Thank you. M: Kinda dickish, what's up with that? I am quite a productive member of my community and well recognized as such here. The only imagination at play are the imaginary basis for your non sequitur insults. You have not offered a thoughtful critique of anything I have said. You are going the boring ad hominem route. Can't you do better? P.S. I guess I shall now move on to Curtis' Post. You know, the one that made you hot. It's Jerry's retirement plan!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Sure, but WHY do you disagree? That's where the meaty stuff is...:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : whose privacy is being invaded? Given the nature and
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : this ain't no aveenu malkanu Dan. this is just a minor flap. (or at least it was) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Nicely said Buck, you really nailed it. Spoken by a man who gloats about reading Private and Confidential communications M: I was never decertified and am a Governor so it was addressed to me and I appreciated it being sent on since I am not on any movement email lists. D:and proceeding to denigrate the contents. Good example to follow. M: I have given my opinion. I reject the notion that anything I have said is unfair. And, lest I forget, THE investigative reporter on the scene. Embedded and 'on the ground'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I found Haglin's letter reassuring. I was looking for guidance about Hammond's channeling meeting. Everyone was last week when it came out. Most things shared and sent around the Meditating community no longer make it on to FFL. But the talk on the street, at work, in the community e-mail and messaging last week around Mammond's meeting and Jerry Jarvis being involved was huge. Hagelin's message proly started off internal and then was wanted to go outside for practical reasons of quickly informing the larger movement community. It got the message out which became need at the time with some clarity. It was leaked for a reason. You are splitting hairs over whether it was private or not. It was timely once it came out and no longer private before it ever appeared on FFL. That is also how a community functions, -Buck on the Street turquoiseb writes: From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
I think Share disagrees because she heard other info that she likes better - there are a whole bunch of contradictory pieces of info on these subjects - you just gotta pick the one you like. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Sure, but WHY do you disagree? That's where the meaty stuff is...:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
Yep. I almost went this year, but too busy. How's the beach? Can you boogey-board there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. I too have fond childhood memories of the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus. I am glad that I never attended after childhood. I think the freak show would have freaked me out. And about those fleas...they're really not there? Sure? Wow, freak me out again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you...The Great Curtis. The only announcer EVER who can broadcast live from a meeting in Boston, THAT HE WILL NEVER HAVE THE TICKETS OR THE WHEREWITHAL to attend. Let The ffl Circus Show begin!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : (snip Edg's charitable post, thank brother.) D: I expect that either you, nor Curtis have ANY TICKETS TO THE BALCONY SEATING OR THE ORCHESTRA SEATING, or the wherewithal to get tickets, or even get to the venue. M: I can almost see the venue from my balcony. The process for free access to the event is to sign up at the Website so the wherewithal subject is moot. So you can ALMOST see it. See the difference here? Or do you almost see it? The tickets are gone and I got 'em to do with what I please (again). D:You both continue to write about an even that is beyond you. M: You mean right next to me? That is ALMOST right next to you. You almost got the second question right, keep trying. Three's a charm! D: Curtis, if I remember correctly, was hoping he could make a few bucks that night. M: I said I would not attend if I was hired for a show that day. Otherwise I probably will if just to shake Jerry's hand after all these years. No Tickey, no washey! Three wrong, but almost right. D: I suggest that you (1) get yourself together and (2) try to rejoin society as productive members. Until then, I will need to continue to treat your words as just imaginings. Thank you. M: Kinda dickish, what's up with that? I am quite a productive member of my community and well recognized as such here. The only imagination at play are the imaginary basis for your non sequitur insults. You have not offered a thoughtful critique of anything I have said. You are going the boring ad hominem route. Can't you do better? Wrong again. And the 'dickish', what's up with that Mr Productive and Well Recognized? Partial credit, I WOULD recognize you anywhere. P.S. I guess I shall now move on to Curtis' Post. You know, the one that made you hot. It's Jerry's retirement plan! Who's the retirement genius here? Gotta plan that'll work for yourself?
Re: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : this ain't no aveenu malkanu Dan. this is just a minor flap. (or at least it was) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Nicely said Buck, you really nailed it. Spoken by a man who gloats about reading Private and Confidential communications M: I was never decertified and am a Governor so it was addressed to me and I appreciated it being sent on since I am not on any movement email lists. Are you REALLY a Certified Governor, or ALMOST REALLY a Certified Governor? D:and proceeding to denigrate the contents. Good example to follow. M: I have given my opinion. I reject the notion that anything I have said is unfair. First you present yourself as a Certified Governor and thus can rightfully reply to a letter sent by John to Private and confidential for Certified Governors, then... why bother. And, lest I forget, THE investigative reporter on the scene. Embedded and 'on the ground'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I found Haglin's letter reassuring. I was looking for guidance about Hammond's channeling meeting. Everyone was last week when it came out. Most things shared and sent around the Meditating community no longer make it on to FFL. But the talk on the street, at work, in the community e-mail and messaging last week around Mammond's meeting and Jerry Jarvis being involved was huge. Hagelin's message proly started off internal and then was wanted to go outside for practical reasons of quickly informing the larger movement community. It got the message out which became need at the time with some clarity. It was leaked for a reason. You are splitting hairs over whether it was private or not. It was timely once it came out and no longer private before it ever appeared on FFL. That is also how a community functions, -Buck on the Street turquoiseb writes: From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] a right to privacy Rick Archer, maybe I missed it but you still just seem to be evading answering the question of how you had the right to violate someone's privacy but publishing this email, what was it about this email that compelled you to take such a step? What is it about this email that makes you so panicky that it was made public?
[FairfieldLife] Deliberately Exposing yourself to a Solar Eclipse [1 Attachment]
Simon Posford and Raja Ram are Shpongle, an ambient techno/trance project formed in 1996 after the pair viewed a solar eclipse in India. The duo went into the studio and attempted to duplicate the experience in sonic form, and the result was a 20-minute track, ...And the Day Turned to Night, which was featured on a Twisted label compilation titled Eclipse. Shpongle's full-length debut album, Are You Shpongled?, was released in early 1999. Didn't they know any better!?!??!?!?!? But LOOK what happened AFTER they was zapped by that there eclipse!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Richard, I appreciate the subtle ideas you are presenting here. But these can lead to indecision which is discussed in the Bhagavad Gita. As MMY commented, we should attain TC or samadhi by transcending the gunas. And, we are to ACT while in yoga with the Self. Then, success of actions will automatically happen. One can reach this same conclusion by understanding a rule of moral reasoning. That is, always do what is good first and the rest follows. IOW, the end cannot justify the means. In the current world situation, the ISIS militants are clearly showing that their goal of having a world caliphate justifies the killing of innocent lives. This is immoral and evil. Therefore, it is justifiable to prevent this movement to continue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/30/2014 12:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. We need to consider that there might be two truths. There is an absolute truth and a relative truth. According to what I've read, reality is ultimately a non-dual union of emptiness and form, with form being innately subject to development over time. Only in unity consciousness, or oneness with all reality, do we eliminate boundaries and find peace. Unity consciousness, or no-boundary consciousness, by definition has no boundary. There are really no boundaries in the universe or in nature and unity-consciousness does not exist in space-time. According to Ken Wilber, none of these relative levels are true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. All of Wilber's AQAL categories relate to relative truth in the two truths doctrine, to which he subscribes. The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? In Eye to Eye, Wilber applies his spectrum of consciousness model to epistemology. Epistemology is the science of what can be known - knowledge, and how we get it. Attempting to investigate the realm of spirit, for example, with the eye of flesh, that is, the eye that perceives only sensory phenomena, will not yield real knowledge of the realm of spirit, which is not disclosed to sensory perception. There is an old Zen saying: The eye cannot see itself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep. I almost went this year, but too busy. How's the beach? Can you boogey-board there? Yes, one can boogey-board there. I went to a nearby bay beach instead, the water's warmer for swimming. If you come to NYC, there's The Big Apple Circus and, of course, Cirque du Soleil, which probably comes around you somewhere. Also, while we're on this Important Topic: Soleil http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soleil http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soleil Soleil http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soleil French-The sun also A very velupsious girl and pretty. Can be jealous but not overly jealous. Is a tease, if you are trying to get some from a So... View on www.urbandictionar... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soleil Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Speaking of flea circuses, I was really intrigued by them as a child; a number of circus implements in the ring, like a trapeze, bicycle, and ladder, mechanically driven to move on their own, with the imagined fleas doing the tricks. Pretty much love the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus, too, and have been many, many times. I remember seeing the great Gunther Gebel Williams, in Portland, in the early 70's, standing on the back of an elephant, wearing a leopard across his shoulders. They haven't had an animal tamer like him, since. I too have fond childhood memories of the Ringling Brothers/Barnum and Bailey circus. I am glad that I never attended after childhood. I think the freak show would have freaked me out. And about those fleas...they're really not there? Sure? Wow, freak me out again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) But without knowing what it is that has turned Jerry's head around on what seems implausible, I have to admit that I can't know yet what is up with this. It is just one of those delightfully disruptive events to many people's world view that has to unfold in its time. See, everyone likes a mystery. And just think: there are two months still to go to anticipate all sorts of fun at the circu, er, I mean group gathering with George. Ann, The Circus is right here. ffl Circus. The ringmaster has whipped up the audience into A Frenzy The Master Ringleader has created buzz by posting mysterious letters. Circuses wish they had the kind of posters (get it) that Rick provides. And in the main ring, out announcer, ladies and
[FairfieldLife] FYI: Nokia's maps for Android!
Hands-on with Nokia's Here Maps for Android http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/nokia-here-maps-android/?ncid=rss_truncated http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/nokia-here-maps-android/?ncid=rss_truncated Hands-on with Nokia's Here Maps for Android http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/nokia-here-maps-android/?ncid=rss_truncated When Microsoft finally completed its €3.79 billion acquisition of Nokia earlier this year, the company took control of its smartphone business, but View on www.engadget.com http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/nokia-here-maps-android/?ncid=rss_truncated Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, I appreciate the subtle ideas you are presenting here. But these can lead to indecision which is discussed in the Bhagavad Gita. As MMY commented, we should attain TC or samadhi by transcending the gunas. And, we are to ACT while in yoga with the Self. Then, success of actions will automatically happen. Just butting in before Richard's more thoughtful response. Sort of a warm-up act for the headliner. Even before CC is established; as we have benefited from contact and infusion of Being, we should act. Meditate and act, both. One can reach this same conclusion by understanding a rule of moral reasoning. That is, always do what is good first and the rest follows. IOW, the end cannot justify the means. In the current world situation, the ISIS militants are clearly showing that their goal of having a world caliphate justifies the killing of innocent lives. This is immoral and evil. Therefore, it is justifiable to prevent this movement to continue. Our right action is to oppose wrong action. I expect that this simple comment will generate a great deal of discussion. But, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/30/2014 12:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it. We need to consider that there might be two truths. There is an absolute truth and a relative truth. According to what I've read, reality is ultimately a non-dual union of emptiness and form, with form being innately subject to development over time. Only in unity consciousness, or oneness with all reality, do we eliminate boundaries and find peace. Unity consciousness, or no-boundary consciousness, by definition has no boundary. There are really no boundaries in the universe or in nature and unity-consciousness does not exist in space-time. According to Ken Wilber, none of these relative levels are true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. All of Wilber's AQAL categories relate to relative truth in the two truths doctrine, to which he subscribes. The next question is: how do you solve violence in the world? Can the Maharishi Effect deliver the world from destroying its own civilization? In Eye to Eye, Wilber applies his spectrum of consciousness model to epistemology. Epistemology is the science of what can be known - knowledge, and how we get it. Attempting to investigate the realm of spirit, for example, with the eye of flesh, that is, the eye that perceives only sensory phenomena, will not yield real knowledge of the realm of spirit, which is not disclosed to sensory perception. There is an old Zen saying: The eye cannot see itself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent observation. I concur. Or was it immune to the chaos? Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No reasonable person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and that we are self-conscious. Only humans are self-conscious and only humans are enlightened. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Should Tech Startups Be Run Like Cults?
Here's an article that advocates running tech startups like cults. Personally I kinda hated the rah-rah attitude in Silicon Valley companies. http://www.wired.com/2014/09/run-startup-like-cult-heres/
