[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or 
entangled--with that universel consciousness.
 

 I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is 
conscious or not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 S3, 

 That's a good question.  We may not get any message back at all since the 
radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved 
in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe.  Also, the earth-like 
planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours.  Or, that 
their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages.
 

 My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like  civilizations in the 
Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid 
dreams.  For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who 
posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from 
the Pleaides star system.  I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in 
Fairfield, Iowa.
 

 OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? 
Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the 
obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell 
bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited.
 

 The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last 
place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot 
supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere 
close. 
 

 That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used 
to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the 
climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets 
first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got 
chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially 
through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed 
out of.
 

 

 
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio 
waves.  
 

 I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that 
aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. 
The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the 
transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out 
amongst all the background radiation in space.
 But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American 
Idol? 
 Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden 
documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading 
our dying planet.
 

 

 As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light.  But it 
is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid 
dreaming.
 

 Why?  Because consciousness pervades the entire universe.  So, communication 
through consciousness is faster than the speed of light.  IMO, the Srimad 
Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story 
relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara.  She supposedly can be found taking a 
bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Not sure which novel.  H.   I think it was the book where Trout's son was 
a piano player who did TM and at some point someone's face got scraped bloody 
by being raked along a piano's keys.   If I remember rightly, then there also 
was a very bad presentation of the TM technique...and maybe the son was 
shouting his mantra aloud at some point theredunno.  But at the time I was 
a true believer, and that book put me off my feed as a Vonnegut fan.  Might 
have been God Bless You Mr. Goldwater. 
 I believe it was Breakfast of Champions, the character ended up getting beaten 
to death while meditating, clearly the concept of the Maharishi Effect hadn't 
been introduced yet
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy 
period in the life of the TMO.  

 And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's 
novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either 
of those.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned 
TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character 
proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.


   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned 
TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character 
proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 


  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :



Salyavin,

If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 

I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.

The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is 
nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.

then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.

I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.

There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or 
entangled--with that universel consciousness.


I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is 
conscious or not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :



S3,

That's a good question.  We may not get any message back at all since the radio 
waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the 
scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe.  Also, the earth-like planets 
near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours.  Or, that their 
living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages.

My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like  civilizations in the 
Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid 
dreams.  For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who 
posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from 
the Pleaides star system.  I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in 
Fairfield, Iowa.


OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? 
Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the 
obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell 
bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited.

The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place 
you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant 
stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. 

That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to 
say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate 
on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first 
and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen 
as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through 
a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio 
waves.  

I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that 
aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. 
The idea has since been dismissed by 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com



  
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF? 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old. 

 That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.
 

 It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.
 

 

 L
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF? 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh My God, we've got *another* TM True Believer trying to make excuses for 
Stephen Collins on the grounds of misogyny and male privilege. 


Stephen Collins is 67. If, as your comrade-in-misogyny srijau suggests, the 
incidents in question happened 20 years ago, that would make him 47 at the time 
he was molesting an *11-year-old girl*. If it happened *40 years ago*, that 
would make him 27 as he was molesting the 11-, 12-, and 13-year-olds so far 
named in the investigation. 

The fact that YOU (depending on the state you lived in) were possibly willing 
to violate statutory rape laws and date a 16-year-old is...uh...NOT helping 
your case. Has TM made you INSANE?




 From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?

I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.


And how old is Collins?

When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of our 
age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).


L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: srijau@... srijau@...



 
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's what acting like a knee-jerk TM defender will get you, Lawson. You look 
like a complete ass. And not for the first time.

Congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and ethics you 
might have ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. 




 From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old.

That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.

It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.


L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :


What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?

I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.


And how old is Collins?

When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of our 
age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).


L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: srijau@... srijau@...



 
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm... 

 My original point stands, however: I've seen no evidence that he's been 
anywhere near any kid taught TM through the DLF.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 That's what acting like a knee-jerk TM defender will get you, Lawson. You look 
like a complete ass. And not for the first time.
 

 Congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and ethics you 
might have ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. 

 

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old.
 

 That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.
 

 It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.
 

 

 L
 

 


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF? 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 


















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

As I said, congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and 
ethics you might have 
ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. Are we supposed to believe that 
someone who was willing to violate statutory rape laws *himself* is going to 
see anything wrong with a TM luminary doing the same thing? 


Boy, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree when it comes to Maharishi's 
students emulating his lack of ethical standards with regard to sex. 




 From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Hmmm...

My original point stands, however: I've seen no evidence that he's been 
anywhere near any kid taught TM through the DLF.


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


That's what acting like a knee-jerk TM defender will get you, Lawson. You look 
like a complete ass. And not for the first time.

Congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and ethics you 
might have ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. 




 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana



 
OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old.

That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.

It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.


L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :


What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?

I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.


And how old is Collins?

When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of our 
age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).


L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: srijau@... srijau@...



 
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True
Believer so lost in his Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from 
child molestation by invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 
 

 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. 
Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it 
actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of 
complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this 
theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a 
direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it 
obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum 
behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence 
processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure!
 

 It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit 
obviously.
 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or 
entangled--with that universel consciousness.
 

 I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is 
conscious or not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Collins didn't violate statutory rape laws with a consenting 16-year-old with 
the tacit approval of their parents. 

 11-year-olds and 16-year-olds are slightly different.
 

 

 And my point still stands:
 

 I have seen no evidence that Collins ever went anywhere near any child taught 
TM via the DLF.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
As I said, congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and 
ethics you might have ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. Are we 
supposed to believe that someone who was willing to violate statutory rape laws 
*himself* is going to see anything wrong with a TM luminary doing the same 
thing? 

 

 Boy, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree when it comes to Maharishi's 
students emulating his lack of ethical standards with regard to sex. 
 
 

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   Hmmm...
 

 My original point stands, however: I've seen no evidence that he's been 
anywhere near any kid taught TM through the DLF.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 That's what acting like a knee-jerk TM defender will get you, Lawson. You look 
like a complete ass. And not for the first time.
 

 Congratulations on having destroyed any hint of objectivity and ethics you 
might have ever imagined you had w.r.t. to things TM. 

 

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old.
 

 That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.
 

 It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.
 

 

 L
 

 


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF? 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 


















 


 












 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...


Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.

It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well 
but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the 
other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think 
the two things belong together.

It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a room with a crazy person any longer. 

There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness 
in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains 
nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it 
isn't needed...

Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe 
works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've 
become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle.

...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness 
and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and 
evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another 
explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be 
an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall 
order for something we can't even measure!

It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit 
obviously.

In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played 
within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks 
with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying 
Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* 
it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and 
was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with 
his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when 
they're not.

The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to 
mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge 
their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an 
explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an 
emotional 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Setting aside the efficacy of those who maintain there are are other beings out 
there, you don't even have their story straight. 

 You invent a narrative contrary to their position and attempt to discredit it 
on that basis.
 

 You've really developed a bad habit along these lines.
 

 Suggestion: Before you go about calling someone else an internet troll, take a 
look at thyself.
 

 Good luck.

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 S3, 

 That's a good question.  We may not get any message back at all since the 
radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved 
in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe.  Also, the earth-like 
planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours.  Or, that 
their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages.
 

 My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like  civilizations in the 
Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid 
dreams.  For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who 
posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from 
the Pleaides star system.  I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in 
Fairfield, Iowa.
 

 OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? 
Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the 
obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell 
bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited.
 

 The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last 
place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot 
supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere 
close. 
 

 That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used 
to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the 
climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets 
first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got 
chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially 
through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed 
out of.
 

 

 
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio 
waves.  
 

 I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that 
aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. 
The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the 
transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out 
amongst all the background radiation in space.
 But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American 
Idol? 
 Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden 
documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading 
our dying planet.
 

 

 As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light.  But it 
is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid 
dreaming.
 

 Why?  Because consciousness pervades the entire universe.  So, communication 
through consciousness is faster than the speed of light.  IMO, the Srimad 
Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story 
relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara.  She supposedly can be found taking a 
bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of 
Taurus.
 

 From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi 
through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika 
nakshatra.  She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Oh My God, we've got *another* TM True Believer trying to make excuses for 
Stephen Collins on the grounds of misogyny and male privilege. 

 

 Stephen Collins is 67. If, as your comrade-in-misogyny srijau suggests, the 
incidents in question happened 20 years ago, that would make him 47 at the time 
he was molesting an *11-year-old girl*. If it happened *40 years ago*, that 
would make him 27 as he was molesting the 11-, 12-, and 13-year-olds so far 
named in the investigation. 
 

 The fact that YOU (depending on the state you lived in) were possibly willing 
to violate statutory rape laws and date a 16-year-old is...uh...NOT helping 
your case. Has TM made you INSANE?

 

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?
 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 















 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sounds like one of your in your head only analysis. 

 I believe many of the original quantum scientists speculated on a reality 
beyond what physical science had come up with.
 

 I guess those scientists had some ability to move past physicality in a way 
you are not able.
 

 Leading from behind is your tendency, I'm afraid.
 

 Safe, but boring, and in your case, a tad arrogant.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 
 

 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. 
Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it 
actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of 
complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this 
theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a 
direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it 
obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum 
behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence 
processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure!
 

 It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit 
obviously.
 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what 
pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. 

 You are just going to town.  A welcome relief, I guess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a room with a crazy person any longer. 

There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness 
in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains 
nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it 
isn't needed...

Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe 
works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've 
become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle.

...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness 
and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and 
evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another 
explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be 
an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall 
order for something we can't even measure!
 

 It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit 
obviously.
 
In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played 
within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks 
with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying 
Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* 
it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and 
was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with 
his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when 
they're not.

The thing I see 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I guess if Barry can make TM seem bad enough to himself, he can almost get over 
his complete lack of spiritual evolution, his lost opportunities, his hopeless 
techniques of mindfulness. On the other hand, he could simply be distracting 
himself, from one moment to the next.  

 I have never known a person who accomplishes so little, while hungrily 
pointing out the perceived flaws of others. So childish, but then, I forget, 
what may look like a trip to the fridge for more ice cream, is actually, for 
Barry, an inter-dimensional journey, through several time portals. But he 
always makes sure, to come back with the ice cream, glazed eyes, TV, and all. 
Kinda sounds like a stoner. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Oh My God, we've got *another* TM True Believer trying to make excuses for 
Stephen Collins on the grounds of misogyny and male privilege. 

 

 Stephen Collins is 67. If, as your comrade-in-misogyny srijau suggests, the 
incidents in question happened 20 years ago, that would make him 47 at the time 
he was molesting an *11-year-old girl*. If it happened *40 years ago*, that 
would make him 27 as he was molesting the 11-, 12-, and 13-year-olds so far 
named in the investigation. 
 

 The fact that YOU (depending on the state you lived in) were possibly willing 
to violate statutory rape laws and date a 16-year-old is...uh...NOT helping 
your case. Has TM made you INSANE?

 

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?
 

 I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.
 

 

 And how old is Collins?
 

 When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of 
our age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: srijau@... srijau@...
 
   the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

 

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact 
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 















 


 















[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.

I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle 
Tantra is incorrigible.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what 
pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. 

 You are just going to town.  A welcome relief, I guess.


Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.

 

--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 -- salyavin808@... wrote:
 
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

-- salyavin808@... wrote:


 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a room with a crazy person any longer. 

There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness 
in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains 
nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it 
isn't needed...

Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe 
works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've 
become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle.

...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness 
and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and 
evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another 
explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be 
an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall 
order for something we can't even measure!
 

 It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it.  

 Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty 
damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on 
a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly 
pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, 
but you are hardly one to point fingers. 
 Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well 
live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and 
think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
 Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 
 Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or 
entangled--with that universel consciousness.
 

 I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is 
conscious or not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 S3, 

 That's a good question.  We may not get any message back at all since the 
radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved 
in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe.  Also, the earth-like 
planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours.  Or, that 
their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages.
 

 My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like  civilizations in the 
Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid 
dreams.  For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who 
posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from 
the Pleaides star system.  I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in 
Fairfield, Iowa.
 

 OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve you crack me up with this stuff, served up the way I like my scrambled 
eggs and bacon, dry, 
 and crisp. Good morning! 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a 
malcontent.  I think it is just your personality.   

 You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if I 
recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing. 
 

 Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, but I 
suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other situation would 
arise which would become your wedge issue.
 

 Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are in your 
consolidation period.
 

 That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than a 
couple hours without some reflection of TM.
 

 (and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza does to 
you)  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 
Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on 
its own, not to others.
 

 I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his 
organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for 
the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know 
nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment 
on many levels. 
 

 If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a 
mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be 
possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO 
billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would 
never say a word. 

 

 It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a 
fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. 

 

 And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than 
any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did 
claim that it is.

 

 From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
 
 
   Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, 
has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And 
he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his 
efforts.
 

 What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps 
that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, 
not to others.
 

 From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological 
development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to 
heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. 

 

 Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground 
for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal 
with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They 
are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. 

 
 


 On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   
 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
 
 
   And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly 
silent!

 
They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, 
*nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being 
investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll 
try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. 

Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. 



 








































[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Okay Blue, thanks for the advice.  But wasting my life? 

 I think I fall into the Ann camp.  
 

 I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which 
of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in 
others, what he feels are their deficiencies.
 

 Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box.
 

 A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's.
 

 But, I do appreciate the concern.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 
 Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.

I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle 
Tantra is incorrigible.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what 
pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. 

 You are just going to town.  A welcome relief, I guess.


Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.

 

--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 -- salyavin808@... wrote:
 
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

-- salyavin808@... wrote:


 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a room with a crazy person any longer. 

There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness 
in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains 
nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it 
isn't needed...

Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe 
works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've 
become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle.

...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness 
and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 
You know Steve, it took others years to find his true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Okay Blue, thanks for the advice.  But wasting my life? 

 I think I fall into the Ann camp.  
 

 I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which 
of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in 
others, what he feels are their deficiencies.
 

 Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box.
 

 A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's.
 

 But, I do appreciate the concern.  (-:
 

--- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 
 Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.

I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle 
Tantra is incorrigible.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what 
pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. 

 You are just going to town.  A welcome relief, I guess.


Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.

 

--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 -- salyavin808@... wrote:
 
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

-- salyavin808@... wrote:


 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a room with a crazy person any longer. 

There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness 
in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains 
nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it 
isn't needed...

Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe 
works are more complex than the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 


  


Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.


For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the 
time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because 
there is the off chance he might say something useful.

As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, 
and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. 

When the man's right, he's right.  :-)  :-)  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is 
to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is 
the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of 
duality. 


As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on 
a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try 
to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this.

Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's 
from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of 
these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get 
the best pieces of wooly mammouth. 


At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of 
fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.

Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day 
(-:



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. 

Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned 
self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot 
of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic 
existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you 
are hardly one to point fingers. 
Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live 
in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up 
inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or 
witty, or wise. 
Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 
Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?



 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :



Salyavin,

If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 

I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.

The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is 
nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.

then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.

I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.

There used to
be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a forest of an 
earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound?  My 
answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the 
universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with 
that universel consciousness.


I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well, funny you should mention that. 

 I have found faint level of feeling to be where it's at in terms of personal 
and spiritual development.
 

 I think, when you are in touch with that level, it becomes a real challenge to 
post things that disparage, or demean others.
 

 And yes, I often find Barry's post to fall into that category.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 You know Steve, it took others years to find his true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Okay Blue, thanks for the advice.  But wasting my life? 

 I think I fall into the Ann camp.  
 

 I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which 
of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in 
others, what he feels are their deficiencies.
 

 Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box.
 

 A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's.
 

 But, I do appreciate the concern.  (-:
 

--- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 
 Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.

I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle 
Tantra is incorrigible.


--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what 
pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. 

 You are just going to town.  A welcome relief, I guess.


Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.

 

--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 -- salyavin808@... wrote:
 
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

-- salyavin808@... wrote:


 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. 

Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees 
with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most 
disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no 
longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what 
they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real 
scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real 
scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 
minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck 
in a 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hey Barry, that was sort of a nice reply.  None of that over the top bashing. 

 I can live with that. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   
 Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some 
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting 
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His 
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap 
again and again.


For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the 
time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because 
there is the off chance he might say something useful.

As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, 
and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. 

When the man's right, he's right.  :-)  :-)  :-)



















[FairfieldLife] Re: Colloidal silver (Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?)

2014-10-09 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

--- sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master 
is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear 
is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of 
duality. 

 

 As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on 
a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try 
to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this.
 

 Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. 
It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset 
of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll 
get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. 

 

 At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of 
fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.
 

 Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day 
(-:

 

May I know why you are taking that? Did any healer prescribe 
it to you?



   fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
 
   it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. 
 

 Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty 
damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on 
a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly 
pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, 
but you are hardly one to point fingers. 


 Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well 
live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and 
think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
 Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 


 Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 






















Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/8/2014 10:18 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a 
malcontent.  I think it is just your personality.




/He probably hasn't changed much since he was a teenager and it has 
already been established that practicing TM, TMSP or any other yoga 
technique, doesn't change anyone's personality. When someone subscribes 
to a discussion group they can present themselves as anything they want 
to be.


Why some people want to preach to an online spiritual discussion group 
and pose as spiritual teachers, instead of just seekers, is beyond me 
(no pun intended).


/


You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if 
I recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing.


Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, 
but I suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other 
situation would arise which would become your wedge issue.


Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are 
in your consolidation period.


That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than 
a couple hours without some reflection of TM.


(and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza 
does to you)  (-:



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, 
and, on its own, not to others.


I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud 
and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous 
unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for 
EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable 
expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels.


If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence 
of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester 
should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet 
it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of 
what they claim for it, I would never say a word.


It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO 
a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization.


And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative 
better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement 
does and Marshy did claim that it is.



*From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting 
Underage Girl


Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested 
children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been 
a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street 
children with TM central to his efforts.


What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? 
Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, 
and, on its own, not to others.


From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full 
psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. 
Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a 
floundering marriage.


Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the 
ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. 
What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my 
healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they 
could never replace it.



On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



*From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting 
Underage Girl


And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly 
silent!


They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after 
all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's 
superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they 
can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you 
and anyone else who brings it up.


Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Colloidal silver (Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?)

2014-10-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hey Jed, I can't speak for the ingestion part of the CS, but I can tell you 
that topically, it cured a skin condition I had had for about 15 years. 

 I haven't applied it on that spot for about six weeks, and still no sign of 
re-occurrence.
 

 Oh, and it has mitigated the occasional athletes foot by about 90%
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 
 

--- sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master 
is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear 
is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of 
duality. 

 

 As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on 
a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try 
to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this.
 

 Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. 
It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset 
of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll 
get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. 

 

 At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of 
fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.
 

 Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day 
(-:

 

May I know why you are taking that? Did any healer prescribe 
it to you?



   fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
 
   it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. 
 

 Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty 
damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on 
a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly 
pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, 
but you are hardly one to point fingers. 


 Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well 
live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and 
think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
 Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 


 Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

























Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 2:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely 
could have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as 
any man who has been married could well imagine what weird things you 
might say, for whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative 
person, when at odds with the aggrieved female mind.


Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost 
in his Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child 
molestation by invoking misogyny.


/OMG! Some people will use any tragedy if they think it will help them 
win a religious debate. Go figure./




For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen 
Collins' banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged 
girl), and the fact that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation 
gave him unfettered access to hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even 
male minds should be able to get that. 


titillate

transitive verb:
1. to excite pleasurably :  arouse by stimulation

intransitive verb:
1. to act as a stimulant to pleasurable excitement

a film made to titillate the audience.
writing that titillates and provokes.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/titillatet


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 1:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need 
to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on 
any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that 
proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. 
Truly an accomplishment...


/What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting//
//in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in//
//the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for //
//a while. /

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 3:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need 
to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on 
any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that 
proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. 
Truly an accomplishment...


Yes indeed, something to be proud of.


Indeed.

/What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting//
//in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in//
//the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for //
//a while. //
//
//http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231/


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 4:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be 
listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people 
and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like 
jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time 
here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told 
that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) 
it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it.


The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need 
to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on 
any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that 
proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. 
Truly an accomplishment...


Yes indeed, something to be proud of.

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. 
He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the 
story of Trotakacharya again. :-)


/The sad thing is that he (Rama) was doing the heavy lifting, while 
TurqB sat on //his bum and tried to hop. Go figure./


/The person levitating or flying through the air was a guy named
Frederick Lenz, who also called himself Rama.

What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting
in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in
the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for
a while.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231/



I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local 
academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night 
and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things 
of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest 
galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think 
it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an 
intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to 
just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff.


It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix 
very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting 
the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough 
abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together.


It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely 
interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well 
and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this 
training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way 
of grading the knowledge for quality.


Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it 
agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and 
correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, 
but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific 
they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put 
either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the 
things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged 
as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real 
scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a room 
with a crazy person any longer.


There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. 
Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) 
it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a 
layer of complexity where it isn't needed...


Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the 
universe works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. 
It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle.


...because consciousness is a /thing/ in this theory, a field of pure 
awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to 
creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously 
requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum 
behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of 
intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we 
can't even measure!


It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he 
shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that 
he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief 
system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other 
yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously.


In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie 
Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used 
to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned 
from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes 
you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people.


/Having been a military brat myself I can understand how an expat like 
Barry can be lonely and feel like a loser with nobody to talk to. In 
most cases the brats spend most of their time reading about what's going 
on in the U.S. - the center of the universe - and talking among 
themselves to try and figure out how they wound up in the back of beyond 
and how many days til they can get out. They watch American movies, go 
on social media to talk to their friends back home. In order to get 
attention they may even sometimes try to cause forum riots, just so they 
can get noticed by someone, anyone./


Motivation:

 * Attention-seeking: The troll seeks to dominate the thread by
   inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand.
 * Cry for help: An indication of disturbing situations regarding
   family, relationships, substances, and schools.
 * Effect change: Stating extreme positions to make his or her actual
   beliefs seem moderate.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 Oh, bawee, you're too humble. Let's, for just a minute, talk about your 
accomplishment. Let me wax, just for a moment, about all that you have achieved 
here at FFL and perhaps in your other life too. You have managed, 
single-handedly, to have repeated yourself over and over and over and over 
again on the same meme, using the same tone, the same words for at least as 
long as I've been reading here. This is no small thing - that you would find 
the time and the energy and the will to be able, not to mention keen, to do 
this day after day. It surely exceeds my ability to take it all in day after 
day after day. You are the man. You are the one who never tires of hearing 
yourself say the same thing again and again. And you are, evidently, the person 
who believes others are taking any of what you write time and time and time 
again as anything but the result of a fellow so high on himself and what he 
believes that he feels the rest of us have an infinite capacity to keep reading 
your fluff post after empty post. Congratulations.
 

 
 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Easy Barry, easy.  Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters.  We 
get your faux outrage. 

 This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM 
bashing.
 

 Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.
 

 Settle back down.
 

 You are on the money here, Steve. bawee finds himself suddenly animated from 
his slouch on the TV couch when he smells the equivalent of bacon frying in the 
kitchen. As soon as the odor of some half-baked story wafts onto FFL he is all 
over it, salivating.
 

  I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
 

 













 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I guess if Barry can make TM seem bad enough to himself, he can almost get 
over his complete lack of spiritual evolution, his lost opportunities, his 
hopeless techniques of mindfulness. On the other hand, he could simply be 
distracting himself, from one moment to the next.  

 I have never known a person who accomplishes so little, while hungrily 
pointing out the perceived flaws of others. So childish, but then, I forget, 
what may look like a trip to the fridge for more ice cream, is actually, for 
Barry, an inter-dimensional journey, through several time portals. But he 
always makes sure, to come back with the ice cream, glazed eyes, TV, and all. 
Kinda sounds like a stoner.
 

 Now that is a funny few sentences. I just wrote another reference to bawee and 
TV and food a few minutes ago. There must be something in the air... Maybe it's 
that retrograde Mercury or whatever it's called.
 
 















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 6:56 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

You know Steve, it took others years to find his true
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a
sadistic sense.


/Thanks, blue_ that makes me feel better. All my postings are not meant 
to be sadistic, just dumb comments.//If I had been able to think of 
something sadistic, I would have sent it to Judy years ago. Go figure./





--- steve.sundur@... wrote :

Okay Blue, thanks for the advice.  But wasting my life?




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a 
master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has 
explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: 
certainly fear is borne of duality.


/TurqB has done a pretty good job since 1995 keeping the conversation 
going and building up MMY, so I want to give credit where credit is due. 
Thanks to people like Barry, meditation is now a household word all 
over the planet - each of us in our own way, either way. Good work!/




As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though 
maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly 
modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq 
does this.


Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being 
competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. 
Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if 
we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth.


At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage 
of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.


Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver 
every day (-:



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it.
*/
/*
Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear 
pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, 
pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, 
than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this 
is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point 
fingers.
Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as 
well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, 
watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. 
That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise.
Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes 
you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with 
not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' 
backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe 
lift of a man.
Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a 
book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build 
something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in 
your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you 
could only see it, the red would rise in your face.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be 
listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people 
and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like 
jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time 
here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told 
that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) 
it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it.


The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need 
to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on 
any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that 
proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. 
Truly an accomplishment...



*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

Salyavin,

If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness,

I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe 
and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have 
already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about 
learning what's going on.


The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the 
universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can 
distinguish one thing from another -  cannot get entangled and 
therefore can't be transmitted.


then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the 
rest of the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate 
telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our 
galaxy or with the rest of the universe.


I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably 
wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear 
separate from each other.


There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell 
in a forest of an earth-like planet 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it.  

 Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty 
damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on 
a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly 
pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, 
but you are hardly one to point fingers. 
 Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well 
live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and 
think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
 Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 
 Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.
 

 See, this is why I like you, Mac. Although Share would call it ganging up I 
simply see it as really, really astute insight. 
 
 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is what Zen masters call 'selling water by the river'. We end up embroiled 
in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with 
life, but the dissatisfaction comes from the way we construe life to be. Life 
can indeed be horrible, and there are certain things that require courage and 
fortitude to get through. All that 'enlightenment' brings is the realisation 
that life is exactly the way it is and no other way, that it was always this 
way, before and during ones sojourn on 'the path', and that no other way is 
possible henceforth, and this eliminates seeking behaviour and a particular 
sort of non-object-oriented fulfilment results because the mind is not spinning 
its wheels over nonsense. Then you get to live the rest of your life without 
those pernicious ideas you acquired before and during your spiritual quest. 
There is still plenty to do or not do, depending on your inclination.

To quote the Vedantist James Swartz:

'If you can see that the question of freedom is due to a lack understanding, 
you will be open to a means of self knowledge. A means of self knowledge does 
not actually give you self knowledge, because everyone actually does know who 
they are... Unfortunately, there is usually a lack of clarity about the nature 
of the self, which impedes the full appreciation of it. This lack of clarity 
manifests as ill considered beliefs and opinions, particularly the belief that 
the self is limited. If you expose your mind to a ... means of self knowledge, 
it will patiently strip away these beliefs and clarity will return. When the 
last vestige of ignorance is removed, you will realize that you knew who you 
were all along. You will find it amusing that you went through so much seeking 
to find out what you already knew You are not getting something you do not 
have; you simply realize that what you sought so frantically you had all along. 
Enlightenment should be cause
 for embarrassment, not jubilation.'
 
The above paragraph assumes that the 'means of self knowledge' will actually 
work. Sometimes it seems otherwise, especially when one is around spiritual 
types. It seems to me that 'masters' tend not to hang out together. Fraudulent 
masters perhaps do not want their con exposed, and real masters, who know what 
the real con is, really do not have anything to talk about with each other, 
because there is nothing at the end of the rainbow in this business. You end up 
where you started, with a net loss.


 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 


  
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...


Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.

It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well 
but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the 
other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think 
the two things belong together.

It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 6:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
*From:* blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?


Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some
change seems to have come over you.

Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting
your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His
intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap
again and again.


For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. 
*Most* of the time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his 
posts a shot because there is the off chance he might say something 
useful.


As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed 
they've become, and what that says about their *own* lack of 
intelligence and discrimination.


/The discussions have to be based on the //
//assumption that we are discussing matters of //
//*opinion*.  No one is right, no one is wrong.///

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: An Orwellian redefinition of leaving
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: November 22, 2003











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Colloidal silver (Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?)

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
blueb2, I'm taking colloidal silver because it worked on my Dad's killer 
bacteria last year, probably saved his life. And sliver patches work on my own 
aches and pains. I'm convinced it's anti bacterial, anti fungal, anti viral, 
anti microbial. Safe too. Woman in herb shop uses it on kid's earaches. 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:25 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  




--- sharelong60@... wrote :


turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is 
to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is 
the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of 
duality. 


As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on 
a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try 
to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does
this.

Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's 
from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of 
these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get 
the best pieces of wooly mammouth. 


At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of 
fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.

Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day 
(-:



May I know why you are taking that? Did any healer prescribe 
it to you?



  fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


 
it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. 

Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned 
self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot 
of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic 
existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you 
are hardly one to point fingers. 


Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live 
in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV,
and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 


Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing
it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an
accomplishment...






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need 
to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on 
any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that 
proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. 
Truly an accomplishment...


On 10/9/2014 8:51 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Oh, bawee, you're too humble. Let's, for just a minute, talk about 
your accomplishment. Let me wax, just for a moment, about all that you 
have achieved here at FFL and perhaps in your other life too. You have 
managed, single-handedly, to have repeated yourself over and over and 
over and over again on the same meme, using the same tone, the same 
words for at least as long as I've been reading here. This is no small 
thing - that you would find the time and the energy and the will to be 
able, not to mention keen, to do this day after day. It surely exceeds 
my ability to take it all in day after day after day. You are the man. 
You are the one who never tires of hearing yourself say the same thing 
again and again. And you are, evidently, the person who believes 
others are taking any of what you write time and time and time again 
as anything but the result of a fellow so high on himself and what he 
believes that he feels the rest of us have an infinite capacity to 
keep reading your fluff post after empty post. Congratulations.


/Are you insinuating that Barry is posting redundant fluff messages to 
get the attention of a lurking reporter?//Maybe he is still suffering 
from his beat-down from Judy. Maybe he just needs someone to talk to. 
Anyway, thanks for trying to help him//, Ann.//We will probably never 
know why he went over to the other side. Go figure./


I also saw myself portrayed on the front page of newspapers as a
dangerous, evil cultist because I was in their community teaching people
how to meditate for free, paying for every poster I put up, every hall I
rented, ever tape or CD or book I gave away myself.

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 6, 2003


Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wgm, one of the most interesting tidbits I've heard recently is that Maharishi 
once explained enlightenment as the ultimate relaxation, though the person who 
told me wasn't sure if the word was ultimate, but something along those lines.

From my own experience I agree with this 100%. I notice that the more relaxed 
I am in activity, the more loving I feel. It's not rocket science!

Sometimes if I need to settle down in activity, I'll simply track my next five 
breaths. No trying to slow it down. No trying to deepen it. Just paying 
attention to my next five breaths. So far, it works every time.



On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:44 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER even 
experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning 
(which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like 
perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to 
that effect).

My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is 
so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps 
obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most 
TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it!

No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness!  As, 
even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures one 
could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it ONCE. 
During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was pure 
bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than I had 
that incredible experience.

Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS 
enlightenment. IMHO



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established 
in bliss consciousness. 

As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that 
hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a 
practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and 
a means to attain it.



Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes?


On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 
What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss 
consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at 
David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been 
molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-)

Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is 
mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more 
likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent 
with the proper understanding of Yoga.

TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context.

Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy

 
  Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... 
Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and 
talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo...  
View on www.youtube.com   Preview by Yahoo   
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :

  I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
 

 















 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]



Other than that, I don't think you give a damn.

Settle back down.


On 10/9/2014 9:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

You are on the money here, Steve. bawee finds himself suddenly 
animated from his slouch on the TV couch when he smells the equivalent 
of bacon frying in the kitchen. As soon as the odor of some half-baked 
story wafts onto FFL he is all over it, salivating.


/It's probably a cry for help - where is Dr. Pete when we need him?/

 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who 
allegedly was guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much 
to do with whatever his connection to the TM movement is now and how 
that reflects badly on the movement. How does it all compute?


/After so many years of getting humiliated on social media, he will 
stoop to almost any level these days, including a tragedy, a suicide, or 
even a natural disaster, in order to win a religious debate.


/
Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually became a Hollywood actor 
and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has now been 
exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually 
abused young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused.


/It's a sign of desperation - so desperate to win that people like Barry 
will do almost anything to prove their point, even if their debating 
opponent is dead - or gone missing./ /./



What great revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?


//It's probably very difficult for an egotist like TurqB to get over 
being discredited for so long - it's been what, //38 years since he got 
kicked out of the TMO and 28 years since his teacher committed suicide. 
Then he gets beat up by Judy for another 10 years. It's probably been a 
tough two or three decades for Uncle Tantra, as far as his dreams of 
being a spiritual teacher. Maybe next time. Go figure./

/




[FairfieldLife] Get Your Kali On? - Continuing on the theme of the changing times...

2014-10-09 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
  
http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories/2014September/barbie-kali-story_650_092614111214.jpg
 

 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, Hell hath no fury... The whole thing is a tragedy, plenty of human 
suffering to go around. It has me thinking about capital punishment. Do you 
think we should execute people who do certain crimes? Serial killers? Child 
rapists? Torturers? Are there some people who can never be rehabilitated? And 
how should that be determined? 


Collins need to make amends to those girls somehow, in some concrete way. And 
he needs to be incarcerated until rehabilitated.


OTOH, I definitely question his ex's motives. Plenty of wrong doing happening. 
And I keep thinking of what Jesus said: let he who is without sin cast the 
first stone



On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:42 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
On 10/8/2014 9:16 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:

  
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.


Not to mention that because the tape was illegally released to the media he 
will probably never get a fair trial - if it comes to that. Also, there seems 
to have been a cover-up (no puns intended). Apparently the police have had 
custody of the tape for a few years.The events supposedly happened over 42 
years ago. Go figure.

 
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.


Collins' attorney accused his ex-wife of blackmail Tuesday and claimed she has 
been threatening to release the tape for years so she could get millions in the 
divorce settlement.







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 



You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's]true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.

And earlier:


Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here?


OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill.  

You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have 
YOU reincarnated as Judy?  

After
 all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people 
didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try 
to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the 
head-to-head argument she wanted? 

Well, I dealt with that by taking 
away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at 
so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to
 read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she 
sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by 
giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about 
you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the 
new approach. 

Well,
 that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing 
to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any 
attention to them, and have
 in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell 
from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've 
reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics:
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM

 Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, 
bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to 
run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over 
something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with 
you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. 

Sorry...not
 gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a 
waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan 
Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his
 first drive-by, if you keep up this 
trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same 
fate. 

Life
 is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on 
turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU 
ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU 
NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. 

Now you know. Do with this information what you will...

...oh, and have a nice day.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lawson, here's some info on difference bt pedaphilia and child molestation:
Child Molestation Research  Prevention Institute

  
  
Child Molestation Research  Prevention Institute
The Child Molestation Research  Prevention Institute is a national, 
science-based, nonprofit organization dedicated to preventing child sexual 
abuse through early diagnosis and effective treatment for people at risk to 
molest children or pedophiles.  
View on www.childmolestationprevention.org Preview by Yahoo  
  
 


On Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:05 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
OK, reading up on things, he's 8 years older than me, so an incident that 
happened 42 years ago would have made him in his mid-20s. Also, the incident 
was not with a 16-year-old he was dating with parent's knowledge, but with an 
11-year-old.

That's pedaphilia, not merely dating a girl that's too young for him.

It's interesting that the press is NOT calling it pedaphilia.


L




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :


What evidence do you hve the Collins had access to ANY of the kids taught TM 
through the DLF?

I've seen no publicity photos of him in schools.


And how old is Collins?

When I was 21, I was dating 16-year-olds. Their parents were quite aware of our 
age difference, and were pleased that, immature as I was (to be dating a 
16-year-old at 21) I was still obviously a nice guy, unlike their last 
boyfriend (the fact that her step brother had gotten her cherry when they 
were about 12 and ended up marrying the eldest sister (Jack Mormons, what can 
you say?) probably had something to do with relieved attitude that she was 
bringing home a nice boy--me--even if I was too old -at least I wasn't her 
older step-brother, who apparently had eyes on the younger sister also).


L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: srijau@... srijau@...



 
the Stephen Collins incidents are 20 to 40 years ago, so he definitely could 
have grown quite a large banana with TM long since.
Also we don't really know the truth from a therapy session tape, as any man who 
has been married could well imagine what weird things you might say, for 
whatever reason, especially an actor or other creative person, when at odds 
with the aggrieved female mind.

Oh My God. There really IS such a thing as a TM True Believer so lost in his 
Believerism that he's willing to try to distract from child molestation by 
invoking misogyny.

For the record, srijau, the problem is NOT with how large Stephen Collins' 
banana is, but where he chose to stick it (an underaged girl), and the fact
that his efforts for the David Lynch Foundation gave him unfettered access to 
hundreds of similarly-aged girls. Even male minds should be able to get that. 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview tto tlls a joke.)

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bravo Turq for doing the research Bucky was afraid to find. At the end of the 
day, all the TM superlative blabber amounts to much ado about nothing.




 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview 
tto tlls a joke.)
 


  
For the record, when exactly did TMers develop such a groupie mentality, 
willing to fall all over themselves gushing over some supposed celebrity who 
had once learned TM, and feeling more self-important *themselves*, as if some 
of the celebrity's greatness had rubbed off on *them* because this person had 
also once gathered up fruit, flowers and handkerchief and paid for a mantra?


Buck is living in the distant past, and in an attempt to find a TM 
spokesperson to replace Stephen Collins is conveniently ignoring the fact that 
Kurt Vonnegut did not think as highly of Maharishi as he'd like you to believe. 


From The Gospel from Outer Space (Or, Yes We Have No Nirvanas) --

Maharishi replied that any oppressed person could rise by practicing 
Transcendental Mediation. He would automatically do his job better, and 
the economy would pay him more, and then he could buy anything he 
wanted. He wouldn’t be oppressed anymore. In other words, he should quit 
bitching, begin to meditate, grasp his garters, and float into a 
commanding position in the marketplace, where transactions are always 
fair. 

And I opened my eyes, and I took a hard look at Maharishi. He 
hadn’t wafted me to India. He had sent me back to Schenectady, New York, where 
I used to be a public-relations man—years and years ago. That was where I had 
heard other euphoric men talk of the human condition in 
terms of switches and radios and the fairness of the marketplace. They, 
too, thought it was ridiculous for people to be unhappy, when there were so 
many simple things they could do to improve their lot. They, too, 
had Bachelor of Science degrees. Maharishi had come all the way from 
India to speak to the American people like a General Electric engineer. 

Also, from a letter to the New York Times written by Vonnegut scholar Dan 
Wakefield after his death:


To the Editor: 


I am sorry that Kurt Vonnegut “seemed sad” when Kurt Andersen met him in 1980; 
the experience appears to set the tone for Andersen’s 
dismissively elegiac view of Vonnegut’s work (“True to Character,” Oct. 28). He 
wonders if the reason he did not love Vonnegut’s later 
novels was that “I was no longer an adolescent” or that “the ’60s were 
long over” and adds, with mock regret, “Alas, for Vonnegut, the 
countercultural moment was short-lived.” 


Ironically, Vonnegut was really a counter-counterculture figure. He 
disrobed Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in a satiric essay for Esquire called 
“Yes, We Have No Nirvanas” and skewered transcendental meditation by 
citing a Western technique that achieves the same results — “reading 
short stories,” which Vonnegut called “Buddhist catnaps.” 




 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
 


  
Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy 
period in the life of the TMO. 

And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's 
novels (Slaughterhouse-Five andCat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of 
those.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned 
TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character 
proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview tto tlls a joke.)

2014-10-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I spoke up because Kurt Vonnegut was one of my favorite authors growing up. If 
he was ambivalent enough about TM and its benefits to resist being cast in the 
role of TM cheerleader during life, I for one am not going to stand by and see 
him cast in that role in death. 


He was a crotchety old bastard, but he had a way with words. Both are qualities 
dear to my heart. :-)




 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview 
tto tlls a joke.)
 


  
Bravo Turq for doing the research Bucky was afraid to find. At the end of the 
day, all the TM superlative blabber amounts to much ado about nothing.






 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview 
tto tlls a joke.)
 


  
For the record, when exactly did TMers develop such a groupie mentality, 
willing to fall all over themselves gushing over some supposed celebrity who 
had once learned TM, and feeling more self-important *themselves*, as if some 
of the celebrity's greatness had rubbed off on *them* because this person had 
also once gathered up fruit, flowers and handkerchief and paid for a mantra?


Buck is living in the distant past, and in an attempt to find a TM 
spokesperson to replace Stephen Collins is conveniently ignoring the fact that 
Kurt Vonnegut did not think as highly of Maharishi as he'd like you to believe. 


From The Gospel from Outer Space (Or, Yes We Have No Nirvanas) --

Maharishi replied that any oppressed person could rise by practicing 
Transcendental Mediation. He would automatically do his job better, and 
the economy would pay him more, and then he could buy anything he 
wanted. He wouldn’t be oppressed anymore. In other words, he should quit 
bitching, begin to meditate, grasp his garters, and float into a 
commanding position in the marketplace, where transactions are always 
fair. 

And I opened my eyes, and I took a hard look at Maharishi. He 
hadn’t wafted me to India. He had sent me back to Schenectady, New York, where 
I used to be a public-relations man—years and years ago. That was where I had 
heard other euphoric men talk of the human condition in 
terms of switches and radios and the fairness of the marketplace. They, 
too, thought it was ridiculous for people to be unhappy, when there were so 
many simple things they could do to improve their lot. They, too, 
had Bachelor of Science degrees. Maharishi had come all the way from 
India to speak to the American people like a General Electric engineer. 

Also, from a letter to the New York Times written by Vonnegut scholar Dan 
Wakefield after his death:


To the Editor: 


I am sorry that Kurt Vonnegut “seemed sad” when Kurt Andersen met him in 1980; 
the experience appears to set the tone for Andersen’s 
dismissively elegiac view of Vonnegut’s work (“True to Character,” Oct. 28). He 
wonders if the reason he did not love Vonnegut’s later 
novels was that “I was no longer an adolescent” or that “the ’60s were 
long over” and adds, with mock regret, “Alas, for Vonnegut, the 
countercultural moment was short-lived.” 


Ironically, Vonnegut was really a counter-counterculture figure. He 
disrobed Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in a satiric essay for Esquire called 
“Yes, We Have No Nirvanas” and skewered transcendental meditation by 
citing a Western technique that achieves the same results — “reading 
short stories,” which Vonnegut called “Buddhist catnaps.” 




 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
 


  
Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy 
period in the life of the TMO. 

And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's 
novels (Slaughterhouse-Five andCat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of 
those.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned 
TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character 
proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?








Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?










Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?












[FairfieldLife] Re: Adi Shankara

2014-10-09 Thread netineti108
Neti sez: 
 What did Adi Shankara say was the fastest method to Liberation in this Kali 
Yuga?
 

 Bhaja Govinda is the correct answer.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, just wanted to see it in black and white so to speak.



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?














[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 

 
You know Steve, it took others years to find his true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.
 

 I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he 
was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk 
but evidently just as mean sober.


 


































  





  




Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Pass it on to Bevan why don't you?




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, just wanted to see it in black and white so to speak.


On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

 Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.
 

 My deepest and most humble apologies. I know I am dense and stubborn and my 
undying support for TM and now, apparently, pedophiles has become exposed here 
I must beg you to forgive me. I was afraid the truth would out and you are just 
the man to have accomplished this. Bananagramming has obviously kept you sharp, 
very keen. Now excuse me while I google a few words, the first being sushumna.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

  I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
 

 















 
















[FairfieldLife] Re: Terrorists At The Gates!

2014-10-09 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As usual Tex, you need to get some smarts: snopes.com: Houston Police Arrest 
Suspected ISIS Terrorist http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/houstonisis.asp 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/houstonisis.asp 
 
 snopes.com: Houston Police Arrest Suspected ISIS Terror... 
http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/houstonisis.asp Photograph shows an ISIS 
terrorist arrested in Houston.
 
 
 
 View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/houstonisis.asp 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Why don't I? Because I don't agree with you! Duh!



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:27 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Pass it on to Bevan why don't you?




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, just wanted to see it in black and white so to speak.


On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 




 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
 
You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.

And earlier:
 
Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here?









OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill.  

You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have 
YOU reincarnated as Judy?  

After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't 
fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them 
into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she 
wanted? 

Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a 
captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I 
just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may 
have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't 
respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things 
about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the 
new approach. 

Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to 
me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, 
and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell 
from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by 
adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics:

 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM

  
Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, 
bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the 
same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and 
you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you 
can get the twist out by yelling at me. 

Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off 
as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan 
Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first 
drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine 
you'll share the same fate. 

Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on 
turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE 
SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, 
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. 

Now you know. Do with this information what you will...

...oh, and have a nice day.  :-)
 

 You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your keyboard 
melt while you were typing that?
 









[FairfieldLife] Baseball All-Star Barry Zito Reflects on Pitching, TM, and Life

2014-10-09 Thread nablusoss1008
“TM helps at a core level. It’s like taking your vitamins so you don’t get sick 
instead of getting sick and then having to take some medicine to make the 
sickness go away. TM erases the stress before it can take hold. It gives me me 
the perspective to not take angry comments by strangers personally,” Barry 
explains.
 Baseball All-Star Barry Zito Reflects on Pitching, TM, and Life - David Lynch 
Foundation Blog 
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/blog/barry-zito-tm-family-background/
 
 
 http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/blog/barry-zito-tm-family-background/ 
 
 Baseball All-Star Barry Zito Reflects on Pitching, TM, a... 
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/blog/barry-zito-tm-family-background/ “When 
I’m pitching and I’m at my best, it’s like I’m all alone out there on the 
mound,”  recalls Major League Baseball All-Star pitcher and World Series 
champion Ba...
 
 
 
 View on www.davidlynchfound... 
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/blog/barry-zito-tm-family-background/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 

 

 Huh? How did you come up with that Einsteinian deduction from what I have 
written so far on this subject?
 

 From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

  I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
 

 





























 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected?

On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and 
if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you 
have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain.



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You missed the context.  JFK was the last President who**was allowed 
to *lead* the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  Go 
back and look at the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was favored to 
be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him so they 
arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party Convention.  
Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip. Look it up.


On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of 
course have been dissed here by the cool people. The last real US 
President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  Since 
then every President when they take office gets a come to Jesus 
talk by the oligarchs who run the US. They tell the President how 
things are going to be and if they don't follow orders they will be 
assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried after getting the talk.


The best thing for Americans to do is be disobedient, disruptive 
until the oligarchs and the institutions they run fall.


On 10/08/2014 10:01 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE 
FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD.


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU




image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, 
calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant!


View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

Preview by Yahoo














[FairfieldLife] Guru Day, How to know Datta, the Adi Guru.

2014-10-09 Thread netineti108
As Thursday is Guru Day.. 

 Composed by His Holiness Sri Ganapathy Sachchidnananda Swamiji, who is 
Himself, Lord Datta. 

 Mantra Pramanam lyrics and tutorial at this site... 

 Mantra Pramanam Mantraika Vedyam(Kagada Harati - 5) http://tinyurl.com/lxptysz 
 
 Mantra Pramanam Mantraika Vedyam(Kagada Harati - 5) http://tinyurl.com/lxptysz 
Yoga Sangeeta
 
 
 
 View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/lxptysz 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 


 

 

 Here is the meaning of this transformational bhajan(This is not a copy and 
paste;-)
 

 To know Datta, Mantras alone are the source. 
 He is the one to be known through the Mantras. Adore Datta who is the 
embodiment of Mantra.
 

 The letters of the Mantras constitute Datta's form. He is the protector of 
Mantras and the one who is illumined by the Mantras. Adore that Datta. 
 

 Lord Datta dwells in the seed letter DRAM.
 He is the destroyer of the poverty of his devotees. 
 He is the six-lettered Mantra (Datta shadakshari). 
 He is the bestower of wealth and instructor of Yoga. 
 Worship such Datta. 
 

 He can be known also through the eight lettered Datta Ashtakshari Mantra. 
 He is the healer of the disease called Samsara. 
 He illumines our heart with limitless bliss. 
 He is the presiding Deity of the twelve lettered Dvadasakshari Mantra.
  He is Blissfull and the Master of Yoga.
 Worship such Datta.

  
 The sixteen lettered shodashakshari Mantra represents Him.
  He is an emperor among Gurus.
  He is the bestower. He is the repository of emancipation. 
 He himself is Krishna and Hari. He appears intoxicated. 
 Pray to such Datta. 
 

 He is the granter of bliss. 
 He sometimes appears as an ascetic and sometimes as a boy and at some other 
times as a ghost or goblin. He is the ocean of pure knowledge. 
 He is the supreme Lord. 
 He is Saccidananda. 
 Worship that Datta. 
 

 Jai Guru Deva Datta
 


 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread nablusoss1008
The Nazis viewed art they didn't like or understood as entartet, or 
degenrated and sick. MJ is just the kind of soul they would love to have 
amongst their ranks.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!

 

 
 From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? 
About DLF? About the TMO? 

 


 On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being 
one of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 

 

 
 From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 
 
   Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

  I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with children has much to do with whatever 
his connection to the TM movement is now and how that reflects badly on the 
movement. How does it all compute? Is it that some asshole pedophile eventually 
became a Hollywood actor and somehow became endorsed by the TM movement and has 
now been exposed 4 decades later as a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or 
the movement suspect because they didn't know this guy had sexually abused 
young children 40 years ago and now they do and... I'm confused. What great 
revelation am I missing here? How does 4+7= 13?
 

 





























 












 


 












 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I quit in 1996. You tell me.




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected?  

On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and if you 
think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you have been doing 
far too much TM - it's affected your brain.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You missed the context.  JFK was the last President whowas allowed to lead the 
country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  Go back and look at the 
election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was favored to be elected President but the 
rich fucks didn't want him so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at the 
Democratic Party Convention.  Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip.  
Look it up.

On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:




  
Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of course 
have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last real US President we 
had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  Since then every President 
when they take office gets a come to Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run 
the US.  They tell the President how things are going to be and if they don't 
follow orders they will be assassinated.   It is said the Jimmy Carter cried 
after getting the talk.

The best thing
for Americans to
do is be
disobedient,
disruptive until
the oligarchs
and the
institutions
they run fall.

On 10/08/2014
10:01 AM,
Duveyoung wrote:

  
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED 
UP IN THE HEAD.

Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not


 


   Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not  
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling out 
the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant! 
 
View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo   

 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Mid 1980s.  But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit 
psychotic to begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety here.  
Remember you are preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even some of 
the TB'ers have problems with the money issues.



On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

I quit in 1996. You tell me.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are 
affected?


On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and 
if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you 
have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain.



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You missed the context.  JFK was the last President who**was allowed 
to *lead* the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  Go 
back and look at the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was favored to 
be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him so they 
arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party Convention. 
Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip.  Look it up.


On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of 
course have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last real 
US President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  Since 
then every President when they take office gets a come to Jesus 
talk by the oligarchs who run the US.  They tell the President how 
things are going to be and if they don't follow orders they will be 
assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried after getting the talk.


The best thing for Americans to do is be disobedient, disruptive 
until the oligarchs and the institutions they run fall.


On 10/08/2014 10:01 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, 
YOU'RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD.


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU




image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, 
calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant!


View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

Preview by Yahoo


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You know you have Mein Kampf right next to Marshy's bullshit commentary on the 
Gita - if anyone on this forum has a Nazi mentality of loving the better than 
everyone else elite (those who do TM and are superior and those who follow the 
faker Benjy Creme and will be the chosen few when Maitreya comes back) its you 
Nappy.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana
 


  
The Nazis viewed art they didn't like or understood as entartet, or 
degenrated and sick. MJ is just the kind of soul they would love to have 
amongst their ranks.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Good grief- you have to ask? The law should deal with Collins. David Lynch 
should stick to making sick-o films and the TMO should be removed from the face 
of the earth, Bevan and Hagelin should have to cut someone's lawn to get by. I 
am feeling A Day in the Life, Part 3 coming on. Hee hee!


From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana



 
Michael, what do you think should be done about all this? About Collins? About 
DLF? About the TMO? 



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 
Ann, you see no problem with a man with these kinds of proclivities being one 
of the national directors of the Committee for Stress Free Schools, a David 
Lynch Foundation organization? 


From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins 40 year banana



 
Oh fer cryin' out loud, Ann, do I have to explain *everything* to you? It's 
really quite simple. The Yoga Lite that is TM didn't raise the transcendental 
kundalini bliss of the 4th chakra's sushumna, and thus, the Hiranyagarbha was 
not recognized. Because the Ved is timeless, it matters not when the heinous 
acts took place. Now, will you *please* stop being an apologist for TM and 
pedophilia? Thank you.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


 I don't quite see the connection of how a man in his 20's who allegedly was 
guilty of gross sexual misconduct with
children has much to do with whatever his connection to the TM movement is now 
and how that reflects badly on the movement. How does it all compute? Is it 
that some asshole pedophile eventually became a Hollywood actor and somehow 
became endorsed by the TM movement and has now been exposed 4 decades later as 
a pedophile therefore makes TM invalid or the movement suspect because they 
didn't know this guy had sexually abused young children 40 years ago and now 
they do and... I'm confused. What great revelation am I missing here? How does 
4+7= 13?














Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have gotten to the point where I no longer believe what you are saying - 
there are fat too many long term practitioners of TM and TMSP especially that 
have mental/emotional/behavioral problems - I think much of it is CAUSED by TM 
and TMSP




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
Mid 1980s.  But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit psychotic to 
begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety here.  Remember you are 
preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even some of the TB'ers have problems 
with the money issues.


On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
I quit in 1996. You tell me.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected?  

On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:




  
Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and if you 
think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you have been doing 
far too much TM - it's affected your brain.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You missed the context.  JFK was the last President whowas allowed to lead 
the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  Go back and look at 
the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was favored to be elected President but 
the rich fucks didn't want him so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at 
the Democratic Party Convention.  Wallace was way ahead of his time and very 
hip.  Look it up.

On 10/08/2014
02:26 PM,
Michael Jackson 
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




  
Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of course 
have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last real US President 
we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  Since then every President 
when they take office gets a come to Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run 
the US.  They tell the President how things are going to be and if they 
don't follow orders they will be assassinated.   It is said the Jimmy Carter 
cried after getting the talk.

The best thing
  for Americans
  to do is be
  disobedient,
  disruptive
  until the
  oligarchs and
  the
  institutions
  they run fall.

On 10/08/2014
  10:01 AM,
  Duveyoung
  wrote:

  
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED 
UP IN THE HEAD.

Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not


 


   Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not  
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling 
out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant! 
 
View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo   

 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
far too many I meant to type




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
Mid 1980s.  But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit psychotic to 
begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety here.  Remember you are 
preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even some of the TB'ers have problems 
with the money issues.


On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
I quit in 1996. You tell me.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are affected?  

On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:




  
Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - and if you 
think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, you have been doing 
far too much TM - it's affected your brain.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
You missed the context.  JFK was the last President whowas allowed to lead 
the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  Go back and look at 
the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was favored to be elected President but 
the rich fucks didn't want him so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at 
the Democratic Party Convention.  Wallace was way ahead of his time and very 
hip.  Look it up.

On 10/08/2014
02:26 PM,
Michael Jackson 
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




  
Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM
 


  
He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of course 
have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last real US President 
we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  Since then every President 
when they take office gets a come to Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run 
the US.  They tell the President how things are going to be and if they 
don't follow orders they will be assassinated.   It is said the Jimmy Carter 
cried after getting the talk.

The best thing
  for Americans
  to do is be
  disobedient,
  disruptive
  until the
  oligarchs and
  the
  institutions
  they run fall.

On 10/08/2014
  10:01 AM,
  Duveyoung
  wrote:

  
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE FUCKED 
UP IN THE HEAD.

Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not


 


   Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not  
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling 
out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant! 
 
View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo   

 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
That is because you are a lay person and hence have not done your 
homework.  I also taught TM but I also learned what is behind it and 
learned to teach other systems of meditation.  I've opined that giving 
goddess mantras may not be a good idea.  It is even contrary to 
ayurvedic uses of mantra meditation.  It was most likely done because 
westerners tend to be rajasic (or pitta).


I know many people who weren't adversely effected by TM or even TMSP but 
they too have moved on because TM fails to provide more or what they 
were looking for.  You cannot become an acharya in TM because Maharishi 
himself had not even achieved that level.  SBS didn't even give him a 
Swami title which is often granted even before achieving acharya.


And if I'm not mistaken you've not even been to India?  One trip there 
would help your understanding quite a bit.  It isn't really the land of 
the Ved as some here imagine.  It's more like Mexico in Asia. The 
majority of Hindus pay lip service to Hinduism.  Many do not practice 
even as high a morality as many of street westerners do.  In fact 
oppressed masses like that tend to be more materialistic because their 
survival is at risk (as soon American's survival will be).


On 10/09/2014 11:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I have gotten to the point where I no longer believe what you are 
saying - there are fat too many long term practitioners of TM and TMSP 
especially that have mental/emotional/behavioral problems - I think 
much of it is CAUSED by TM and TMSP



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

Mid 1980s.  But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit 
psychotic to begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety 
here.  Remember you are preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even 
some of the TB'ers have problems with the money issues.



On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




I quit in 1996. You tell me.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are 
affected?


On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - 
and if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, 
you have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain.



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You missed the context.  JFK was the last President who**was allowed 
to *lead* the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  
Go back and look at the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was 
favored to be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him 
so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party 
Convention. Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip. Look it up.


On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of 
course have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last 
real US President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  
Since then every President when they take office gets a come to 
Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run the US.  They tell the 
President how things are going to be and if they don't follow 
orders they will be assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried 
after getting the talk.



399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 


[FairfieldLife] Origin of the Spurious...

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808
The danger of drawing conclusions from things that correlate...
 

 Spurious Correlations http://tylervigen.com/

 
 
 http://tylervigen.com/ 
 
 Spurious Correlations http://tylervigen.com/ Why do these things correlate? 
These 20 correlations will blow your mind. (Is this headline sensationalist 
enough for you to click on it yet?)
 
 
 
 View on tylervigen.com http://tylervigen.com/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: special event invitation | 30thNovember.com [1 Attachment]

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 10:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
a way for them to make money. 


So, let's try to put all this into context.

/I also saw myself portrayed on the front page of newspapers as a//
//dangerous, evil cultist because I was in their community teaching people//
//how to meditate for free, paying for every poster I put up, every hall I//
//rented, ever tape or CD or book I gave away myself./ - Unc



From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 6, 2003


Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread nablusoss1008

 Hello ! First I would like to congratulate you for you success in bringing 
meditation meditation to schools in San Francisco, effects of which are just 
beginning to be seen. While appreciating your thorough response you should be 
aware that many posters here deliberately post negativity to try to damage the 
global initiatives to raise collective consciousness. They are not to be taken 
seriously and do not deserve a response.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

2014-10-09 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

And you DO realize this IS the Funny Farm Lounge. :-D

On 10/09/2014 12:37 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

far too many I meant to type


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

Mid 1980s.  But TM won't harm you that much unless you are a bit 
psychotic to begin with and you sure exhibit symptoms of anxiety 
here.  Remember you are preaching mostly to the choir on FFL and even 
some of the TB'ers have problems with the money issues.



On 10/09/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




I quit in 1996. You tell me.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You probably did TM more recently than I have so whose brains are 
affected?


On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Teddy kicked ass in a way that Johnny never had the balls to do - 
and if you think old Joe the Bootlegger wasn't one of the oligarchs, 
you have been doing far too much TM - it's affected your brain.



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

You missed the context.  JFK was the last President who**was allowed 
to *lead* the country but just not the way the rich fucks wanted.  
Go back and look at the election of 1948.   Henry Wallace was 
favored to be elected President but the rich fucks didn't want him 
so they arranged to get Trumann nominated at the Democratic Party 
Convention. Wallace was way ahead of his time and very hip. Look it up.


On 10/08/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Disagree - the last really cool Prez was Teddy Roosevelt.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
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*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Truth -- the bitterness untouched by TM

He says a lot of things I've said over the years here on FFL and of 
course have been dissed here by the cool people.   The last 
real US President we had was JFK and you saw what happened to him.  
Since then every President when they take office gets a come to 
Jesus talk by the oligarchs who run the US.  They tell the 
President how things are going to be and if they don't follow 
orders they will be assassinated. It is said the Jimmy Carter cried 
after getting the talk.


The best thing for Americans to do is be disobedient, disruptive 
until the oligarchs and the institutions they run fall.


On 10/08/2014 10:01 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, 
YOU'RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD.


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU




image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU


Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU
Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, 
calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant!


View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

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Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview tto tlls a joke.)

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hate to break it to you, bawee, but you are not emotionally mature enough to be 
a crotchety old bastard, nor are you much of a writer. :-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I spoke up because Kurt Vonnegut was one of my favorite authors growing up. If 
he was ambivalent enough about TM and its benefits to resist being cast in the 
role of TM cheerleader during life, I for one am not going to stand by and see 
him cast in that role in death. 

 

 He was a crotchety old bastard, but he had a way with words. Both are 
qualities dear to my heart. :-)

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview 
tto tlls a joke.)
 
 
   Bravo Turq for doing the research Bucky was afraid to find. At the end of 
the day, all the TM superlative blabber amounts to much ado about nothing.

 

 


 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview 
tto tlls a joke.)
 
 
   For the record, when exactly did TMers develop such a groupie mentality, 
willing to fall all over themselves gushing over some supposed celebrity who 
had once learned TM, and feeling more self-important *themselves*, as if some 
of the celebrity's greatness had rubbed off on *them* because this person had 
also once gathered up fruit, flowers and handkerchief and paid for a mantra?

 

 Buck is living in the distant past, and in an attempt to find a TM 
spokesperson to replace Stephen Collins is conveniently ignoring the fact that 
Kurt Vonnegut did not think as highly of Maharishi as he'd like you to believe. 

 

 From The Gospel from Outer Space (Or, Yes We Have No Nirvanas) --
 

 Maharishi replied that any oppressed person could rise by practicing 
Transcendental Mediation. He would automatically do his job better, and the 
economy would pay him more, and then he could buy anything he wanted. He 
wouldn’t be oppressed anymore. In other words, he should quit bitching, begin 
to meditate, grasp his garters, and float into a commanding position in the 
marketplace, where transactions are always fair. 
 

 And I opened my eyes, and I took a hard look at Maharishi. He hadn’t wafted 
me to India. He had sent me back to Schenectady, New York, where I used to be a 
public-relations man—years and years ago. That was where I had heard other 
euphoric men talk of the human condition in terms of switches and radios and 
the fairness of the marketplace. They, too, thought it was ridiculous for 
people to be unhappy, when there were so many simple things they could do to 
improve their lot. They, too, had Bachelor of Science degrees. Maharishi had 
come all the way from India to speak to the American people like a General 
Electric engineer. 
 

 Also, from a letter to the New York Times written by Vonnegut scholar Dan 
Wakefield after his death:

 

 To the Editor: 

 

 I am sorry that Kurt Vonnegut “seemed sad” when Kurt Andersen met him in 1980; 
the experience appears to set the tone for Andersen’s dismissively elegiac view 
of Vonnegut’s work (“True to Character,” 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/books/review/kurt-vonneguts-letters.html Oct. 
28). He wonders if the reason he did not love Vonnegut’s later novels was that 
“I was no longer an adolescent” or that “the ’60s were long over” and adds, 
with mock regret, “Alas, for Vonnegut, the countercultural moment was 
short-lived.” 

 

 Ironically, Vonnegut was really a counter-counterculture figure. He disrobed 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in a satiric essay for Esquire called “Yes, We Have No 
Nirvanas” and skewered transcendental meditation by citing a Western technique 
that achieves the same results — “reading short stories,” which Vonnegut called 
“Buddhist catnaps.” 

 

 From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
 
 
   Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy 
period in the life of the TMO. 
 
And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's 
novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either 
of those.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned 
TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character 
proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.



   















 












 


 













[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not giving a fig 
for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, and almost as a martyr, 
who tries his best to bring The Light to the unwashed masses. He is really 
quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, Barry was all about being the Coolest 
Cat on the block. Slowly that has receded, and now all he does is spew endless 
diatribes against that which he cannot have. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote :

 

 
You know Steve, it took others years to find his true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.
 

 I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he 
was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk 
but evidently just as mean sober.


 


































  





  






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adi Shankara

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 12:14 PM, netineti108 wrote:


/Neti sez: /

/What did Adi Shankara say was the fastest method to Liberation in 
this Kali Yuga?/


/
/

/Bhaja Govinda is the correct answer./



/A//ccording to the Adi Shankara, the author of the Soundaryalahari, the 
bija mantra of Shakti is the fastest method to liberation in the Kali 
Yuga. All//the Shankaracharya Saraswati dandi sannyasins up to and 
including SBS meditate on the Saraswati bija mantra at least twice each 
day. This is a fact./


[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 Steve,
 

 This has been Barry's MO for many years now.  He thrives on controversy.  This 
is his form of entertainment--strange as it may seem.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Sounds like one of your in your head only analysis. 

 I believe many of the original quantum scientists speculated on a reality 
beyond what physical science had come up with.
 

 I guess those scientists had some ability to move past physicality in a way 
you are not able.
 

 Leading from behind is your tendency, I'm afraid.
 

 Safe, but boring, and in your case, a tad arrogant.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 
 

 I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.
 

 It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very 
well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into 
the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they 
think the two things belong together.
 

 It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for 
quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. 
Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it 
actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of 
complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this 
theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a 
direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it 
obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum 
behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence 
processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure!
 

 It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't 
start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit 
what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else 
agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit 
obviously.
 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a 

Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Terrorists At The Gates!

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 12:38 PM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

As usual Tex, you need to get some smarts


Coming soon to a neighborhood near you?

/Todd Bensman is the San Antonio Express-News reporter who conducted 
his own investigation into American border security over the course of a 
four-part series for the paper. Published this past May, the four 
installments of the series are accessible here.../


Have Terrorists crossed?
By Todd Bensman
http://tinyurl.com/yuqmgw

'Breaching America'
Posted by Scott Mirengoff:
Powerline, July 09, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/yv6epz


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]




YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. 
YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME.


On 10/9/2014 12:43 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

*You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your 
keyboard melt while you were typing that?

*

*
*/HE WILL NEVER PREACH FOR THE TMO OR THE RAMA CULT AGAIN!//HE SUCKED AS 
A SPIRITUAL TEACHER./


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vonnegut (was Somebody Rick should interview tto tlls a joke.)

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/9/2014 11:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I spoke up because Kurt Vonnegut was one of my favorite authors 
growing up. If he was ambivalent enough about TM and its benefits to 
resist being cast in the role of TM cheerleader during life, I for one 
am not going to stand by and see him cast in that role in death.


He was a crotchety old bastard, but he had a way with words. Both are 
qualities dear to my heart. :-)


/And it should be noted, Vonnegut disbelieved in the para-normal and he 
thought people joined cults because they were lonely. Go figure./


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/9/2014 4:10 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not 
giving a fig for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, 
and almost as a martyr, who tries his best to bring The Light to the 
unwashed masses. He is really quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, 
Barry was all about being the Coolest Cat on the block. Slowly that 
has receded, and now all he does is spew endless diatribes against 
that which he cannot have.


These days he sounds really JELLOS. Go figure.

/After an exhilarating ride down the mountain on my snowboard, I 
reached the bottom of the slope where – much to my surprise – I found 
Master Fwap waiting for me. He had a huge grin on his face!/ - Surfing 
the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure, by Frederick Lenz, 1996.


http://www.illicitsnowboarding.com/2009/11/notorious-snowboarder-1-dr-frederick_22.html


[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, 

 Barry is really still a secret follower of MMY.  That's why he criticizes 
those who agree with MMY's ideas.  Have you noticed that he doesn't talk about 
any of his own ideas?  IOW, he's admiring MMY from afar and in a very strange 
way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master 
is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear 
is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of 
duality. 

 

 As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on 
a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try 
to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this.
 

 Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. 
It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset 
of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll 
get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. 

 

 At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of 
fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear.
 

 Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day 
(-:

 


 On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. 
 

 Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty 
damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on 
a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly 
pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, 
but you are hardly one to point fingers. 
 Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well 
live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and 
think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you 
smart, or witty, or wise. 
 Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you 
appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough 
experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear 
taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. 
 Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take 
the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. 
Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing 
in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your 
face.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, 

 Barry wouldn't understand you're talking about him.  He knows he's right all 
the time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/9/2014 3:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...
 
 

 Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 
 
 Indeed.
 
 What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting
 in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in
 the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for 
 a while. 
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
 




Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.
 

 LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you 
think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a 
healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has 
attained some sort of spiritual goal!
 

 This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded 
bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst 
advert for TM!

Sal, for a guy who seems to have a sense of humour, a brain in his head and has 
the fortune to be British on top of it all you seem to miss one small but 
important fact: how bawee acts and the things that he writes gives away all 
anyone needs to know about the guy. Our director of operations who just posted 
would have no delusions about bawee's character or his MO. I'm also sure he 
doesn't give a shit anyway nor would this person be interested in judging Mac 
one way or another since Mac's responses to bawee are simply any normal 
person's response to someone as judgmental and obnoxious as bawee is. Capiche?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :

 I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either 
bogus or deeply flawed
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 










[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, 

 You'll have to understand that this is his form of entertainment.  Now, he can 
go to the local pub and have a nice cold mug of beer.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
 
You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true 
character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few 
minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him.
Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a 
sadistic sense.

And earlier:
 
Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here?









OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill.  

You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have 
YOU reincarnated as Judy?  

After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't 
fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them 
into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she 
wanted? 

Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a 
captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I 
just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may 
have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't 
respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things 
about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the 
new approach. 

Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to 
me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, 
and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell 
from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by 
adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics:

 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM

  
Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, 
bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the 
same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and 
you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you 
can get the twist out by yelling at me. 

Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off 
as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan 
Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first 
drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine 
you'll share the same fate. 

Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on 
turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE 
SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, 
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. 

Now you know. Do with this information what you will...

...oh, and have a nice day.  :-)
 

 You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your keyboard 
melt while you were typing that?
 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Terrorists At The Gates!

2014-10-09 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like I said, you need to get some smarts Tex. You won't get that reading 
right-wingnut trash reports. But hey, if you want to cower in fear down in TX 
because you think Isis is at your door, be my guest.

[FairfieldLife] Enlightened animals

2014-10-09 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From The Maharshi,, Sept/Oct 2014, page 5, Hridaya, by Patrick Roberts.:
 .
 When Palani Swami was dying, Sri Ramana sat with one hand on his head and one 
on hridaya [heart chakra]. Unfortunately, because he withdrew his hand from 
hridaya too soon, Pali was not liberated in his final moments and went to a 
higher world instead.  Sri Ramana did not repeat that mistake at his mother's 
deathbed, thereby ensuring that she was absorbed in Arunachala 
[Arunachala-Shiva]. When Valli the deer was dying, Bhagavan sat with her for an 
hour in the  same way, but he said there was no need for it with Lakshmi the 
cow.  She was already liberated..
 .
 [brackets mine.  A brief google search on Lakshmi the Cow Ramana Maharshi will 
bring up several accounts of the subject.]. 


Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both 
schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the 
movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated 
for decades. 


Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of 
every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create 
more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. 
Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and 
let's see how it falls out. 




 From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up 
to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't 
even have the balls to give his own name.




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 


  
Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and 
everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some 
self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their 
unsuccessful lives.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote :


I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
them.
 
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
could
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
 
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
 
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
 
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
 
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply
flawed
 
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, 

 You've just shown in this post that you are a Believer of whatever it is you 
think is right.  But you really have not proved that you are correct in your 
own belief.  Yet, you go on criticizing others for what you think is contrary 
to your belief.
 

 What's your deal, dude?  I think we have a good example of hypocrisy here in 
your taunts against those who don't agree with you.  It is also possible that 
you are a fundamentalist parading around as a non-theist--using your own 
nomenclature--or whatever best describes your agenda.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 
 

 The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to 
follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, 

 If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, 
 

 I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and 
hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided 
are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on.
 

 The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe 
is nonsense, classical information -  that which can distinguish one thing from 
another -  cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted.
 

 then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of 
the universe.  So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other 
sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe.
 

 I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't 
even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from 
each other.
 

 There used to be a question similar to the following:  if a tree fell in a 
forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a 
sound?  My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere 
else in the universe.  And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or 
entangled--with that universel consciousness.
 

 I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it 
needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever 
sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is 
conscious or not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 S3, 

 That's a good question.  We may not get any message back at all since the 
radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved 
in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe.  Also, the earth-like 
planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours.  Or, that 
their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages.
 

 My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like  civilizations in the 
Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid 
dreams.  For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who 
posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from 
the Pleaides star system.  I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in 
Fairfield, Iowa.
 

 OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? 
Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the 
obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell 
bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited.
 

 The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last 
place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot 
supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere 
close. 
 

 That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used 
to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the 
climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets 
first and then on to more distant 

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