[FairfieldLife] Hillbilly(?) Thunderstruck
Thunderstruck by Steve'n'Seagulls (LIVE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc Thunderstruck by Steve'n'Seagulls (LIVE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc Finnish band called Steve'n'Seagulls plays AC/DC's awesome song called Thunderstruck. Recorded by Jaakko Manninen Photography. Visit us on Fa... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
hi salyavin, glad you're still here. And now I'm really wishing you were here in Fairfield. Because you'd find many folks who like you find dinosaurs spiritual. Or birds or trees or even plastic bags! This is what I've been trying to convey to you and Curtis too. That many people here have grown beyond a bounded view of human development. Based on their own experiences. Now, the other topic I'd like to address, and this is my response to your post about evolution and science and at a deeper level, what is real. Isn't the determination of what is real dependent upon when one takes the photo? IOW, considering the process during which a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, if we take the photo at a certain point in that process, we could say the caterpillar is gone. But is that real? Or said another way, is that the whole picture? With any experience I have, whether during TM or outside of it, I wonder, Is this the whole picture? And I think many of us long term TMers have come to realize that there is no static whole picture, that it is an ever unfolding experience of what it means to be a ever unfolding human in an ever unfolding universe. This experience makes one a scientist, but one who is full of wonder and joy about what is being observed. This is what I sense in you too and what makes me think you'd enjoy a visit to Fairfield. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.coma To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : But it's the Funny Farm Lounge. Weshould expect knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting from theinmates. I just don't want to see discussion narrowed to somesheltered view of spirituality. Yup. Spiritual means different things to different people, it isn't just a term for airy-fairy daydreams about awakening into a sea of bliss. I find dinosaurs very spiritual because thinking about the deep past and the sense of time passing and the unpredictable future of life gives me a sense of perspective in my day. A sense of place in the universe, and it's real. On 07/07/2015 01:17 PM, feste37 wrote: I'm mystified as to why youthink that the alternative to having a moderated group asit is evolving here on FFL is a bliss ninny group.That's absurd. I am all for vigorous discussion, opposingpoints of view, and honest dialogue. I am against the kindof knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting against allthings spiritual that went on here up until the last fewweeks. And for all the abuse Doug has taken, one wouldhardly realize that he has been a good exponent of exactlywhat you are calling for in your post: a discussion ofwhere things have gone in the TMO and where they aregoing. Many of his comments and insights over the last fewyears have been very astute. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...wrote : As faras I'm concerned Rick set thecommunity standards as he defines it on the headerfor thegroup. If you don't like them then start yet anotherbliss ninnygroup. Those seem to be extremely popular and longlived. :-D I've been online since the early 1980s. I've seenmany a BBS comeand go. I've seen heavy handed moderators come and gotoo. Seemsthat late comers have a creepy idea of what moderationis about. TM is just dime store yoga taught at Neumann-Marcusprices. itwas better when it wasn't so pretentious but then mostpeopledidn't know that much about yoga back then. We'vecome a longways. This is a good forum to discuss where thingshave gone evenif it riles TBs. On 07/07/2015 11:38 AM,feste37 wrote: Ithink it's part of whatmoderating is about. For example, I often read thecomments section in articles in the Guardian. Onerecentcomment got deleted, with the following message: This comment was removed by a moderator becauseit didn'tabide by our communitystandards. Replies may also be deleted. This is very common and I have no objection tosomethinglike it being implemented at FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,noozguru@...wrote : Andthat'snot what moderating isabout. It's for extreme circumstances whichareusually rare. Youshould never give moderation over to a techilliterate. It justmakes them a laughing stock. Perhaps it's time to create an FFL-Ex YahooGroup. ;-) On 07/07/2015 11:13 AM,salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote : It'sverysimple, Duv. Thereare now some community standards to beobservedwhenposting to this group. There is nothingremarkable aboutthat. It is long overdue. Rubbish, MJ got kicked fornothingthathasn't been said a million timesbefore, sowhat ifBuck decides it's suddenly beyond thepale tohave anopinion he doesn't like? That's all itis.Sheeropportunism and hide behind theguidelines. Wearen'tchildren for god's sake. ---In
[FairfieldLife] Free Speech Zone
On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
Re: [FairfieldLife] Aid for the Greeks?
I'll have a Greek salad today.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Aid for the Greeks?
This is a good idea. We go to the aid of one of the world's finest countries
and seat of western civilisation in their time of need.
I know you are all going to want to help but I appreciate that you may not be
able to spare the time for a few weeks in the sun. Luckily I'm available for
the whole of August, so if you you want to pass the hat round and raise much
needed bail out funds for our European brothers, I will gladly take them to the
poor afflicted country and make sure every dollar is wisely spent among the
tavernas and hostel owners of the the Greek islands.
Time to show some solidarity.
Want to help Greece? Go there on holiday
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solidarity through tourism is a win-win situation: you get a cheap holiday in a
beautiful country; Greece gets a much-needed injection of cash||
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[FairfieldLife] speaking of evolution...
I highly recommend the movie Lucy with Scarlett Johanson and Morgan Freeman. Lots of violence and medical gore but if you can keep that from sticking, it's an amazing movie about full human development. Literally! But to say more would spoil the fun (-: I never studied evolution in high school or college so I definitely appreciate the movie's scenes having to do with that. And even more, I love that full development of her brain is portrayed as the basis of her unusual abilities. And the very end will knock your socks off!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
Hello - calling out to the owner of FFL Rick Archer to take notice of this egregious abuse of power by your moderator. Let this witless, unintelligent, uninteresting, rustic, bovine, dork Doug be removed as the moderator and let Grandpa Xeno and Uncle MJ be re-instated ASAP !! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's on you RICK ARCHER. You have not even once come here and explained why you are okay with what Doug is doing here. It's as if you said, Let's fuck up the place and see what comes out of the ashes. Did you say that? We don't know, and that's on you. Why? We deserve YOUR ANSWER. We've supported your ownership here for over a decade. We've always honored your forbearance and wisdom, but now, when we're all adrift, you don't show up. WHAT IN THE FUCKY FUCK FUCK are you thinking, Rick? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Just as Maharishi said, the movement belongs to those who move (slave labor of course) FFL belongs to those who post. Today I see two valuable contributors, Michael and Xeno have been canned following Barry's first shoe dropped. I want to weigh in that I oppose the way content is being examined, evaluated, judged here, and believe sincerely that the power to ban posters is in the wrong hands. First of all the Yahoo guidelines are just that. They cover Yahoo's back side and are not meant to be Vedic laws to be enforced. Obviously if they cared about these enough to enforce them it would have happened long ago when things were really riled up on FFL during the infamous reign of the 3 Rs. The idea that this place has become much worse is a fabrication. FFL has lightened up considerably in the last few years. There was no problem to be solved that needed this kind of crackdown. And they are too vague to be guidelines, it basically says, do what you want on your sites because defining limits is too hard. They have used airy platitudes and these are not objective rules in any sense of the word. It is a moot point, Yahoo does not care, it is up to us. Concerning Feste's point about Xeno trying to hurt that guy in the real world, I believe this is an important point to consider. This is the only level where I believe banning is appropriate. So I reread the post a few times and noticed that there are no names mentioned. This means that you would have to be a regular reader of this site to even understand what he is referring to. And if someone is that far up FFL's butt, they already know about his activities. I even knew about his trip and I don't give a S. More importantly he did not repeat linking his name to the offense so it could be picked up by search engines as a connections so it was unsearchable. This is important because when people came after me and got canned for it, it was after repeated offenses. One or two would have slipped by the radar but they insisted on making it a big deal through relentless repetition. In all the hoopla and over reaction we seem to miss Xeno's point. This behavior is exactly what he nailed it as, hypocrisy. It shows an amazing degree of lack of self awareness not to realize that this moderator is perpetuating the exact thing he fears from the movement: judging adult behavior and free will by subjective standards and then meting out the punishment of exclusion from the group for the contrived offenses. Xeno was putting his finger in the eye of hypocrisy and did it without using names or jacking up the search engines. It was a noble act IMO and losing him from this forum is a huge content loss for a thoughtful perspective. I would challenge anyone to match me post for post of contributions he has made intellectually to this forum and you can show me equally thoughtful posts from that other guy with his finger on the trigger. Michael is also a loss to the site. Stephen mentioned that he doesn't like posters with an agenda. The important aspect of agenda is that the motive is a hidden one, not that it expresses a strong personal POV. Michael was transparent about his motives for posting here. He represented a strong POV and I valued it. I wish there was a person who represented the movement's side as passionately. That would make for some great conversations. The only person who used to fill in for that role was N. But he was so far from mainstream movement thinking and English was a second language so he was left only with personal attacks of which I was the target of many for years. I never thought he should be banned for that. I thought the freedom to express himself damned him just fine. FFL is only as good as it's contributor's content. Losing Barry, Xeno and Michael is a loss to the site whether you agree with them or not. If the ban had been for Judy, I could have written everything just the same. Generative people, willing to put time into this site and create content
[FairfieldLife] The Safe Selfie
http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2015/0707/How-to-prevent-death-by-selfie-a-guide-from-Russian-government http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2015/0707/How-to-prevent-death-by-selfie-a-guide-from-Russian-government
[FairfieldLife] Too Funny
There's bawee, first on the list to at FFL2. God, now he'll be able to live again. Just wanted to check but I'm not going back, I know exactly what the place will sound like and I've heard it all many, many times before. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too Funny
I quite enjoyed the guided meditation video he posted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : There's bawee, first on the list to at FFL2. God, now he'll be able to live again. Just wanted to check but I'm not going back, I know exactly what the place will sound like and I've heard it all many, many times before. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too Funny
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I quite enjoyed the guided meditation video he posted. Did he really? Or are you being your usual droll self? I didn't stick around to read anything - for all I know he posted a cookie recipe. It was a stroke of genius on your part to start that group. No one else was going to, as I guess they were afraid no one would come to the party. The only thing I marvel at is how long it took them all to realize that was the answer. I'm afraid I'm going to miss the pleasure of knowing for sure what is going on over there but I have a pretty good idea based on the repetitiveness of the last three years I've known FFL. That is one site I'm not going near. Thanks again for your stroke of brilliance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : There's bawee, first on the list to at FFL2. God, now he'll be able to live again. Just wanted to check but I'm not going back, I know exactly what the place will sound like and I've heard it all many, many times before. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too Funny
Really! He posted this: F*ck That: A Guided Meditation https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY F*ck That: A Guided Meditation https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I quite enjoyed the guided meditation video he posted. Did he really? Or are you being your usual droll self? I didn't stick around to read anything - for all I know he posted a cookie recipe. It was a stroke of genius on your part to start that group. No one else was going to, as I guess they were afraid no one would come to the party. The only thing I marvel at is how long it took them all to realize that was the answer. I'm afraid I'm going to miss the pleasure of knowing for sure what is going on over there but I have a pretty good idea based on the repetitiveness of the last three years I've known FFL. That is one site I'm not going near. Thanks again for your stroke of brilliance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : There's bawee, first on the list to at FFL2. God, now he'll be able to live again. Just wanted to check but I'm not going back, I know exactly what the place will sound like and I've heard it all many, many times before. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
Curtis, there was nothing for me to help with. There is no rule on FFL about search engine rankings. It looked to me like you were wanting a weird tangential enforcement of the anonymity rules, but you are not anonymous. When Nabby's anonymity was being violated, I took care of the situation because it was a clear violation of the rules. You went to Rick, and he gave you your own special rule and enforced it accordingly. I don't have a problem with that because it's Rick's group, and he can do as he pleases. For situations like yours, Rick is the one to go to, and it was appropriate that you dealt directly with him. The only fallout for me is that I handle subscriptions, and I'm now burdened with having to look out for a miscreant trying to sneak back in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : If you're so concerned about your search engine rankings, why did you choose to make them vulnerable to being messed with by directly tying your business identity to FFL? Me: My concerns developed long after I had chosen a name which was purposely not my stage name. It did not originally link with anything except this site. That is still true except Google now prompts if you mean my name broken up. Since no one would search me on the name I used here it was not a problem for years. And casual references don't jack up rankings, it is repeated references in a short period of time that spike the relevance. I never complained about people saying shitty things about me, only when they got focused on hurting me and put in the effort. I did not know when I started posting that I would run into some of the characters who pulled the shit they did. I was not working in schools and under the kind of scrutiny that I am under today. Much has changed in how people search about people casually, so it became a problem over time.If I had a time machine and knew now what I knew then I would have been more careful about sharing anything here. Alex: If you were curtis_ex_tm or something like that, you probably wouldn't have had the problem with R, Me: My name here is not a problem, it is not a natural search. It was the behavior that I already explained that caused the search engine problem. As I explained I am not anonymous on the web. But after I asked two people to stop jacking the search engine rankings linking me here they ramped it up until they were stopped. It was a very specific and unnatural behavior I objected to. Me: and Rick and I wouldn't have to deal with R's continuing annoyance behind the scenes. Me: So his craziness is my fault? Sorry but I am not owning that. Alex:In not protecting your own interests, you've made yourself a burden on others. Me: Your disinterest in helping me with this situation was clear back then and is clear now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I used to promote a high tech company on search engines Alex. I brought them to number one in their category. Recent postings of a name pumps up the relevancy in searches. At the time I was complaining about my name being used repeatedly, I could track how it was affecting the search engines. The issue was never about having complete anonymity on search engines or trying to make sure there was no way anyone could, with some research, find my real name and connect my contributions over the decades on the web. It was about trying to keep recent links off so that the relevancy of connection gets drowned by recent contributions. The results you see entering my name is the result of my vigilance about how I show up on the Web. I get it that it took Rick's knowledge of how search engines work to get relief from the people trying to torpedo me and I am glad he had that background to understand my concerns. So the goal is not anonymity. That is the same straw man argument the last R used. It is current relevancy and numbers of posts that both Vaj and I were concerned with. It is the casual search that we are concerned with, not an in depth investigative profile of our history on the Web. And for that recent and multiples are the way to skew the search engines. Rankings are not fixed, they are in flux. Protecting myself online is about what happens now, not in the past. And for the record I did ask Rick not to put my name and birthday on the Web since then and he has respected my request. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : With respect to anonymity, my view is that it's exactly like virginity: you either have it or you don't, and when it's gone, it's gone forever. Curtis, the situation with you and your so-called anonymity is, IMO, completely ridiculous. A Google search of your FFL/Yahoo user name brings up your music site as the very first link. And, the archives are littered with your real last name,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More TV
I watched the first episode of season 2 of Ray Donovan last night. I watched season 1 when I had cable. Not sure though if I want to pay another $9 a month for Showtime. Reviewing what they have there are not that many shows to justify the subscription and I'm a little tired for Hollywood produced string you along shows. Seems that plain Hulu and Netflix plus purchasing a few shows on Amazon or VUDU are more than enough. And on the latter if those own sales dip then maybe they'll start offering rent for a $1 an HD episode. On 07/07/2015 10:19 PM, ultrarishi wrote: The Missus and I watched the first 2 episodes of the British Humans and we're hooked. Thanks for the link to the Vimeo segments. Going to give it a watch as well. And thanks for the recommendation. I'd been hearing about the program the past several weeks on various podcast and was very apathetic about watching it. It wasn't until I saw the trailer on Youtube with the great cast that I thought it was worth exploring. Hoping the quality keeps up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too Funny
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Really! He posted this: F*ck That: A Guided Meditation https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY F*ck That: A Guided Meditation https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/92i5m3tV5XY Preview by Yahoo Thanks I won't bother to look but no cookie recipe?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I quite enjoyed the guided meditation video he posted. Did he really? Or are you being your usual droll self? I didn't stick around to read anything - for all I know he posted a cookie recipe. It was a stroke of genius on your part to start that group. No one else was going to, as I guess they were afraid no one would come to the party. The only thing I marvel at is how long it took them all to realize that was the answer. I'm afraid I'm going to miss the pleasure of knowing for sure what is going on over there but I have a pretty good idea based on the repetitiveness of the last three years I've known FFL. That is one site I'm not going near. Thanks again for your stroke of brilliance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : There's bawee, first on the list to at FFL2. God, now he'll be able to live again. Just wanted to check but I'm not going back, I know exactly what the place will sound like and I've heard it all many, many times before. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Mickey Hart and W. D. Gann
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou A character of violence? Tearing at each other? Creating strawmen? Hens to pick on? I'd love to know who you were talking to and what strange planet they got their information about us from. You get worse every day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
I stand with Alex on this. I've had a Yahoo Group to moderate which I closed when it was no longer necessary. Subscribers are on their own with regard to privacy. So choose handles that don't reveal your identity. I'm on Yahoo Groups using several emails, some which give my name and others like this one that are a handle. We have a bunch of tech newbies who don't like anonymity and want everyone to post under their real name. My response to their stupidity is which John Smith am I? :) On 07/08/2015 09:06 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Curtis, there was nothing for me to help with. There is no rule on FFL about search engine rankings. It looked to me like you were wanting a weird tangential enforcement of the anonymity rules, but you are not anonymous. When Nabby's anonymity was being violated, I took care of the situation because it was a clear violation of the rules. You went to Rick, and he gave you your own special rule and enforced it accordingly. I don't have a problem with that because it's Rick's group, and he can do as he pleases. For situations like yours, Rick is the one to go to, and it was appropriate that you dealt directly with him. The only fallout for me is that I handle subscriptions, and I'm now burdened with having to look out for a miscreant trying to sneak back in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : If you're so concerned about your search engine rankings, why did you choose to make them vulnerable to being messed with by directly tying your business identity to FFL? Me: My concerns developed long after I had chosen a name which was purposely not my stage name. It did not originally link with anything except this site. That is still true except Google now prompts if you mean my name broken up. Since no one would search me on the name I used here it was not a problem for years. And casual references don't jack up rankings, it is repeated references in a short period of time that spike the relevance. I never complained about people saying shitty things about me, only when they got focused on hurting me and put in the effort. I did not know when! I started posting that I would run into some of the characters who pulled the shit they did. I was not working in schools and under the kind of scrutiny that I am under today. Much has changed in how people search about people casually, so it became a problem over time.If I had a time machine and knew now what I knew then I would have been more careful about sharing anything here. Alex: If you were curtis_ex_tm or something like that, you probably wouldn't have had the problem with R, Me: My name here is not a problem, it is not a natural search. It was the behavior that I already explained that caused the search engine problem. As I explained I am not anonymous on the web. But after I asked two people to stop jacking the search engine rankings linking me here they ramped it up until they were stopped. It was a very specific and unnatural behavior I objected to. Me: and Rick and I wouldn't have to deal with R's continuing annoyance behind the scenes. Me: So his craziness is my fault? Sorry but I am not owning that. Alex:In not protecting your own interests, you've made yourself a burden on others. Me: Your disinterest in helping me with this situation was clear back then and is clear now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I used to promote a high tech company on search engines Alex. I brought them to number one in their category. Recent postings of a name pumps up the relevancy in searches. At the time I was complaining about my name being used repeatedly, I could track how it was affecting the search engines. The issue was never about having complete anonymity on search engines or trying to make sure there was no way anyone could, with some research, find my real name and connect my contributions over the decades on the web. It was about trying to keep recent links off so that the relevancy of conne! ction gets drowned by recent contributions. The results you see entering my name is the result of my vigilance about how I show up on the Web. I get it that it took Rick's knowledge of how search engines work to get relief from the people trying to torpedo me and I am glad he had that background to understand my concerns. So the goal is not anonymity. That is the same straw man argument the last R used. It is current relevancy and numbers of posts that both Vaj and I were concerned with. It is the casual search that we are concerned with, not an in depth investigative profile of our history on the Web. And for that recent and multiples are the way to skew the search engines. Rankings are not fixed, they are in flux. Protecting myself online is about what happens now, not in the past.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Speech Zone
BTW, you might want to give the email address to subscribe too since Yahoo mucks with the ID depending on email or web. On 07/08/2015 09:49 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maybe you should have called it Barry's Blog. :-D On 07/08/2015 05:14 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
[FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
Given the tools you had, your perspective on your role here, and your explanation about anonymity, I can understand your position better Alex. Since you are now dealing with the level of computer sophistication and crazy that was aimed at F'ing me, and my own explanation of my perspective on it, I hope you can understand mine better. Given the sad state of what has gone on with Mr. From-The Dome, I appreciate your hands off moderation style all the more, so thanks for your service to FFL. I also get your point about Rick being the right person to deal with the issue, so I apologize for implying that you could have helped but didn't. I am a sadder but wiser Web user from this whole FFL experience. The level of malice for no reason from a few exceeded my most cynical expectations. I believe your move to create a Buck-free zone will either put the final nail in the FFL coffin or force Rick to decide what kind of site he wants here. Nice move. It doesn't sound to me that you have been dealt with too fairly here considering the time you have put in serving this cyber community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Curtis, there was nothing for me to help with. There is no rule on FFL about search engine rankings. It looked to me like you were wanting a weird tangential enforcement of the anonymity rules, but you are not anonymous. When Nabby's anonymity was being violated, I took care of the situation because it was a clear violation of the rules. You went to Rick, and he gave you your own special rule and enforced it accordingly. I don't have a problem with that because it's Rick's group, and he can do as he pleases. For situations like yours, Rick is the one to go to, and it was appropriate that you dealt directly with him. The only fallout for me is that I handle subscriptions, and I'm now burdened with having to look out for a miscreant trying to sneak back in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : If you're so concerned about your search engine rankings, why did you choose to make them vulnerable to being messed with by directly tying your business identity to FFL? Me: My concerns developed long after I had chosen a name which was purposely not my stage name. It did not originally link with anything except this site. That is still true except Google now prompts if you mean my name broken up. Since no one would search me on the name I used here it was not a problem for years. And casual references don't jack up rankings, it is repeated references in a short period of time that spike the relevance. I never complained about people saying shitty things about me, only when they got focused on hurting me and put in the effort. I did not know when I started posting that I would run into some of the characters who pulled the shit they did. I was not working in schools and under the kind of scrutiny that I am under today. Much has changed in how people search about people casually, so it became a problem over time.If I had a time machine and knew now what I knew then I would have been more careful about sharing anything here. Alex: If you were curtis_ex_tm or something like that, you probably wouldn't have had the problem with R, Me: My name here is not a problem, it is not a natural search. It was the behavior that I already explained that caused the search engine problem. As I explained I am not anonymous on the web. But after I asked two people to stop jacking the search engine rankings linking me here they ramped it up until they were stopped. It was a very specific and unnatural behavior I objected to. Me: and Rick and I wouldn't have to deal with R's continuing annoyance behind the scenes. Me: So his craziness is my fault? Sorry but I am not owning that. Alex:In not protecting your own interests, you've made yourself a burden on others. Me: Your disinterest in helping me with this situation was clear back then and is clear now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I used to promote a high tech company on search engines Alex. I brought them to number one in their category. Recent postings of a name pumps up the relevancy in searches. At the time I was complaining about my name being used repeatedly, I could track how it was affecting the search engines. The issue was never about having complete anonymity on search engines or trying to make sure there was no way anyone could, with some research, find my real name and connect my contributions over the decades on the web. It was about trying to keep recent links off so that the relevancy of connection gets drowned by recent contributions. The results you see entering my name is the result of my vigilance about how I show up on the Web. I get it that it took Rick's knowledge of how search engines work to get relief
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Speech Zone
Maybe you should have called it Barry's Blog. :-D On 07/08/2015 05:14 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. Me: Since no one from Yahoo has ever enforced anything like what you are trying to impose here this is wishful thinking from someone who is destroying this place for its own good no doubt, and out of your kindness. Buck: A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Me: Your histrionic bogus connection between violence and people having heated discussions here reveals your tenuous connection with a world I recognize. No one isolated themselves, you kicked people off who you didn't like. Alex kindly provided an environment for free discussion without you lording over it. Once you have chased off all the content providers here you will be left with your throne and crown presiding over an empty room. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech ZoneI Bill Leed hope 4 more civil life here,
-Original Message- From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2015 12:57 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups Yahoo! Groups Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Speech Zone
ffl-2-subscr...@yahoogroups.com ffl-2-subscribe AT yahoogroups DOT com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : BTW, you might want to give the email address to subscribe too since Yahoo mucks with the ID depending on email or web. On 07/08/2015 09:49 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maybe you should have called it Barry's Blog. :-D On 07/08/2015 05:14 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com mailto:j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. Me: I'll bet our idea of civility would be a pretty close match. But it is a subjective evaluation. The question is who do you trust to make such a judgement call for you? Buck? His view may match yours, it does not match mine. Remember, he canned Barry for what was a personal opinion about Lynch. There was nothing uncivil about it IMO. So freedom means not being subject to that kind of judgement, especially without reasonable recourse to challenge. That is movement freedom where you are free to do anything THEY want. And he didn't save anyone from Xeno and Michael, he just used his power to kick them off because he felt personally insulted. Feste: IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. Me: I think the analogy is off. It is more like the people you see at the mailboxes in an apartment building. If someone acts like an ass you just avoid them and don't engage with them. Some people here act as if they are forced to read posts. I read very few posts here. What goes on in posts I don't read is really none of my business unless I go out of my way to make it my business by interacting. Feste: But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. Me: The social example is too intimate. It would be like being at a huge New Year's eve party where you can strike up a conversation and if you sense buttholeidtude, you just say, excuse me but I have to go see a man about a horse and leave them standing their with their drink in their hand and their mouth open. Now if the person tries to chase you down and MAKE you listen to them, or if they follow you home, you might need the authorities to straighten them out or get a restraining order. If Buck had earned the groups trust by showing up as a reasonable person whose values more people trusted he would not have gotten this push back. In order to silence critics ,who he refers to as apostates using ominous old time religious language to disparage, he will happily see FFL go under. My guess is that he will get his wish. This place is doomed as an interesting place to have discussions with him judging content. Very few people have been trained in how to discuss ideas without making it personal. You have seen it a million times here. Someone takes a shot at Maharishi or his ideas and then someone goes after them personally. It has happened to me more often than not. I accept that and only continue if the person has something interesting to say to prolong the discussion so I get my writing prompt. I am at peace with the idea that I will have to be insulted by people who can't separate ideas from their identity or are just bitchy people and interact that way. Some very bright people here are personally argumentative and cantankerous. I will happily take the good with the bad to have a conversation that interests me. I don't need anyone making that call for me. Especially not someone who does not share my values of tolerating eccentricity if the person is worth chatting with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him a hypocrite and full of crap. Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug insane several times, among other insults. So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. Me: Perfect Judy entrance, lead with breaking rapport... MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him a hypocrite and full of crap. Me: And Buck has insulted Michael and me with all sorts of obnoxious crap including equating our opinions about Maharishi to the activities of terrorist organizations where drone strikes would be appropriate. Both of those terms use by Michael refer to specific things in his behavior they are much more than a generic poopy pants name calling. He was called a hypocrite because he complained to this group for ages about the very kind of judgmental crap he is laying on us here, including the movement endorsed banishment practice for people he doesn't like. With your history of a sharp tongue here I think you are opening yourself up to the same judgement. But it will never be applied to you because you are not posting anti-Maharishi posts so you will never have to worry about Buck. If you want to understand free speech, defend someone's rights whose views you disagree with. Me: Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, Me: We don't know why is the point. But the context of Barry's complaint turned out to be the prediction of his own demise which turned out to be true. And now we have two others gone. You don't see a trend? How many will it take? Judy: but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug insane several times, among other insults. Me: Buck got criticized for the content he posted here. That is why he got called names, because he showed up as a judgmental oddball and untrustworthy with power. Judy: So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. Me: It is not like his views on anti Maharishi opinions is hidden, he has revealed his feelings clearly. He canned people who opposed his power here or insulted him personally. And it just so happens that the people who trust him the least are often people who felt the same way about the movement for similar reasons. Buck provoked Barry's reaction by making a ridiculous accusation that confirmed Barry's fears about getting canned on trumped up charges. Then he provoked others to criticize him by not giving the rest of us a reason for his actions leading others to feel threatened by this kind of moderation. So I get it, you feel safe so you have no problems. One of your enemies is gone, so things worked out for you. But I thought you were a bit more of an advocate of fairness over opportunism. Now as far as Rick goes, I believe Elvis has left the building and we are on our own. But can you really say that you have not benefited by the previous laxity in this kind of judgement in the past? Haven't many of our best conversations or arguments often included some non Buck approved language and sentiments? Et Tu Judy? Other than the opportunism of seeing Barry get what I am sure you feel are his just deserts, is this really the kind of place that encourages lively discussions, knowing that the Church Lady with a 5 O'clock shadow can spring out at any time and declare that pearls must be clutched and someone must be banished? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Alex it feels very sympathetic and altruistic of you in its way, creating a refuge for the asocial. Also an act something sort of like hanging a bell on the cats out in the garden. It may work for them for a while like for Eric the Red the outstanding asocial being of the old sagas outlawed and moved on to the next available place [..to the lawless open interiors and thence to Greenland and then a try at Newfoundland]. Red in character got himself successively banished by communal acts of parliaments of the then emerging civil societies of Europe and Iceland at the time. The locals in the New World of Newfoundland even turned Red around at the point of arrows. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Speech Zone
Thanks. Otherwise folks may wind up joining the Fantasy Football League group. :)) On 07/08/2015 12:27 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ffl-2-subscr...@yahoogroups.com ffl-2-subscribe AT yahoogroups DOT com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : BTW, you might want to give the email address to subscribe too since Yahoo mucks with the ID depending on email or web. On 07/08/2015 09:49 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maybe you should have called it Barry's Blog. :-D On 07/08/2015 05:14 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com mailto:j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. Me: Perfect Judy entrance, lead with breaking rapport... MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him a hypocrite and full of crap. Me: And Buck has insulted Michael and me with all sorts of obnoxious crap including equating our opinions about Maharishi to the activities of terrorist organizations where drone strikes would be appropriate. That was before Rick appointed him to be moderator. It's not retroactive. Both of those terms use by Michael refer to specific things in his behavior they are much more than a generic poopy pants name calling. Really? Hypocritical and full of crap is more than generic poopy pants name calling? You sure you want to stand by that? What specific things does full of crap refer to? He was called a hypocrite because he complained to this group for ages about the very kind of judgmental crap he is laying on us here, This is irrelevant. Doug (not Buck) was appointed by Rick to implement the Yahoo Guidelines, a new role for him. If you want to call the guidelines judgmental crap, point your finger at Rick, not Doug. including the movement endorsed banishment practice for people he doesn't like. The banishment was for incivility contrary to the Yahoo Guidelines. Nothing to do with the movement. With your history of a sharp tongue here I think you are opening yourself up to the same judgement. But it will never be applied to you because you are not posting anti-Maharishi posts so you will never have to worry about Buck. I'll have to worry about Doug (not Buck) if I'm uncivil now that the Yahoo Guidelines are in effect. Again, it's not retroactive. If you want to understand free speech, defend someone's rights whose views you disagree with. Been there, done that. Me: Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, Me: We don't know why is the point. But the context of Barry's complaint turned out to be the prediction of his own demise which turned out to be true. Which complaint? And so what? And now we have two others gone. You don't see a trend? How many will it take? Yes, there's a trend. Doug is implementing the Yahoo Guidelines and bouncing folks who are defying them by being uncivil. That's his job on FFL these days. How many will it take for what? Judy: but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug insane several times, among other insults. Me: Buck got criticized for the content he posted here. That is why he got called names, because he showed up as a judgmental oddball and untrustworthy with power. But we don't get to call people names any longer. Judy: So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. Me: It is not like his views on anti Maharishi opinions is hidden, he has revealed his feelings clearly. Yup. So what? He canned people who opposed his power here or insulted him personally. That's right. He gets to do that as moderator. That's what Rick appointed him for. So far the continuing incivility has been directed at him. If it starts to be directed to others, the uncivil folks are likely to be canned as well. And it just so happens that the people who trust him the least are often people who felt the same way about the movement for similar reasons. So what? This is FFL, not the movement. Buck provoked Barry's reaction by making a ridiculous accusation that confirmed Barry's fears about getting canned on trumped up charges. He wasn't canned on that charge, as I've pointed out. Then he provoked others to criticize him by not giving the rest of us a reason for his actions leading others to feel threatened by this kind of moderation. I don't really think anyone who's been around for awhile has any genuine doubts about why Barry was canned. Some folks are misrepresenting why Doug canned him, though, which is why I chimed in. And Doug did tell us why he canned Xeno and MJ. So I get it, you feel safe so you have no problems. No, you don't get it. I don't feel any safer than anyone else. One of your enemies is gone, so things worked out for you. But I thought you were a bit more of an advocate of fairness over opportunism. Yes, and you were right to think that. Now as far as Rick goes, I believe Elvis has left the building and we are on our own. But can you really say
[FairfieldLife] Microsoft lays off while lobbying for H1B Visas
Guess Windows Mobile didn't work out so well as most of the layoffs are in the mobile division and in Finland. Poor card. http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-while-demanding-more-h1-b-visas/ Next up: programming serfs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: As the World Churns
As pointed out by Neil Cavuto about an hour ago, a market reduction of 10% is a correction and 30% is a market crash leading to a recession. Crash is the appropriate term for what is happening in China. We owe them $1.6 trillion ourselves. Get ready for the global blow-back.
[FairfieldLife] As the World Churns
So the Chinese stock market crashes then the NYSE has a glitch (yeah, sure) and shuts down. And then FFL does a stock split. May you live in interesting times. ;-) Let's see what tomorrow may bring! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwfUfTmOHvA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
To the best of my recollection, the only action Yahoo has ever taken against FFL is list it as an adult group after someone intentionally uploaded a porn image and then complained to Yahoo about it. Being listed as an adult group makes it not show up in searches, so Rick managed to get it unlisted as an adult group, and I was brought on to help him keep it that way. After all these years, it's clear that Yahoo doesn't give a flying firetruck about the tone of discussion around here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. Me: Since no one from Yahoo has ever enforced anything like what you are trying to impose here this is wishful thinking from someone who is destroying this place for its own good no doubt, and out of your kindness. Buck: A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Me: Your histrionic bogus connection between violence and people having heated discussions here reveals your tenuous connection with a world I recognize. No one isolated themselves, you kicked people off who you didn't like. Alex kindly provided an environment for free discussion without you lording over it. Once you have chased off all the content providers here you will be left with your throne and crown presiding over an empty room. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
I'm Spartacus!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Microsoft lays off while lobbying for H1B Visas
They should have swallowed their pride, ditched Windows Mobile, and embraced Android, perhaps with a custom front end, a la Samsung Touchwiz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : Guess Windows Mobile didn't work out so well as most of the layoffs are in the mobile division and in Finland. Poor card. http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-while-demanding-more-h1-b-visas/ http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-while-demanding-more-h1-b-visas/ Next up: programming serfs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissism can be fatal
From The Mail: It has rapidly become the favourite pastime of people all over the world, but following a spate of deaths Russia has issued a hilarious set of guidelines for taking safer selfies. Among the advice is not taking a self portrait with a gun or posing alone in front of a lion. In its new leaflet, video and web campaign Russia's interior ministry uses road sign style-images to warn that taking 'a cool selfie could cost you your life.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : From The Telegraph: A walker who was killed by a bolt of lightning during a thunderstorm on the Brecon Beacons may have been struck because he was carrying a selfie stick, it has been claimed. Two men died and two were injured on the mountain range in Powys, Mid Wales, after separate lightning bolts in several parts of the park. Sources close to the rescue said one of the dead men had been carrying a metal selfie stick, which may have attracted an electrical strike. This is quite comical. Does this mean I am going to burn in hell for finding this funny (on some level)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia. So sorry we aren't entertaining enough for you. All this caring about stuff. Tsk. Tedious. Misrepresentation and reading incompetence, Sal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Acropolis Now!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re I did it [TMSP] religiously for 10 years though and was never happier than when I quit.: Well no one could claim you didn't give it a fair shot. One thing I've often wondered about the TM program is how TM teachers or checkers could be really sure that their pupils were doing the whole thing right. I recall a story of MMY once realising that a high-ranking member of the TMO and close associate hadn't been meditating correctly and giggling about it. But with the flying sidhi program it's different: either you are hopping or you aren't. Do those who fail to take off suffer humiliating feelings of being losers and second-class citizens of the Age of Enlightenment? Yes. When I was taking the summer siddhis course at MIU my friend and I were the last to hop. Finally, under threat of failure or some such thing I just thought, The hell with it and started hopping. It's just a matter of letting the kundalini go where it wants to which is something I can experience any time. It just didn't feel any different from what can get generated at any time if I want it to and I was expecting some outside force to literally lift me off the foam. When that didn't happen like I thought it would I just harnessed the old usual. I was a bit disappointed, actually. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Exactly right. No opposing viewpoints have been disallowed, so far at least. If they had been, all the squawking and whining would be justified. The current complaints are based on a misrepresentation of the situation. As Rick put it when he announced that he had appointed Doug moderator, I know some will bristle at what they perceive as a restriction of their freedom of speech, but different types of speech are appropriate in different contexts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can assure you that I am not in the least confused. Free speech has nothing to do with this situation. The owner of the group and his representative have every right to require that contributors maintain civility in their discourse. It's not a matter of disallowing opposing viewpoints, but simply making it clear that there are ways of expressing oneself that are no longer acceptable on this forum. I do not see why that should be so difficult to understand or accept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Microsoft lays off while lobbying for H1B Visas
Oh, you don't know Microsoft. They're VERY NIH (Not Invented Here). Of course so is Apple So is Google So is Yahoo which is probably why the emoticons in Thunderbird don't work on the FFL website. And yup, Android has about 75% of the mobile marketplace. On 07/08/2015 03:47 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: They should have swallowed their pride, ditched Windows Mobile, and embraced Android, perhaps with a custom front end, a la Samsung Touchwiz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : Guess Windows Mobile didn't work out so well as most of the layoffs are in the mobile division and in Finland. Poor card. http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-while-demanding-more-h1-b-visas/ Next up: programming serfs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Safe Selfie
Sorry! Hadn't seen your post before I sent my own just now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2015/0707/How-to-prevent-death-by-selfie-a-guide-from-Russian-government http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2015/0707/How-to-prevent-death-by-selfie-a-guide-from-Russian-government
[FairfieldLife] Re: Acropolis Now!
Re I did it [TMSP] religiously for 10 years though and was never happier than when I quit.: Well no one could claim you didn't give it a fair shot. One thing I've often wondered about the TM program is how TM teachers or checkers could be really sure that their pupils were doing the whole thing right. I recall a story of MMY once realising that a high-ranking member of the TMO and close associate hadn't been meditating correctly and giggling about it. But with the flying sidhi program it's different: either you are hopping or you aren't. Do those who fail to take off suffer humiliating feelings of being losers and second-class citizens of the Age of Enlightenment? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re No. However the real purpose of many of the yoga asanas is to prepare one to sit in either half-lotus or full lotus.: Thanks. But don't you have to adopt full- or half-lotus to do the hopping sidhi? And if a TM teacher hadn't taken the sidhi courses wouldn't he/she be sending out a message to newbies that those advanced courses aren't such a big deal? There used to be a few that didn't do the TMSP, some for religious reasons! But for a long time it's been a requirement that TM teachers have to do the TMSP. And they they don't get the recertification that is required for them to be able to teach legally now too. I never heard it said that a bad message was the reason but if the question arose it would be a difficult one to answer as meditators get this idea that it's some amazing mystery that gets revealed to you and that the sidha's are worthy of their higher status. It would be a poor show if a teacher didn't buy into the whole package I suspect. I can remember having TMSP described to me and wanting it desperately but wondering if I could cope with all that powerful programme! I can also remember the disappointment when I learned what it was all about. I did it religiously for 10 years though and was never happier than when I quit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 07/06/2015 04:32 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re Would like to try meditating there though - nice and quiet when you get to an isolated spot.: I take it you can do the full lotus posture. I never got beyond the sitting-in-a-chair stage. Do you have to be able to do the cross-legged bit to qualify as a teacher of TM? No. However the real purpose of many of the yoga asanas is to prepare one to sit in either half-lotus or full lotus. I see there's a book showing how to master the position. Re the fall-out from the Greek fiasco: I'd wager serious money that it ends up with the Fed having to supply lines of credit to Europe! Another Marshall Plan and we'll see if Europe's politicians can get it right this time around . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : How could you do TMSP on the beach? Inflatable life raft or some such? LOL, no this was long before my life as a TMer. Would like to try meditating there though - nice and quiet when you get to an isolated spot. The trouble with sitting still on a beach is that insects find you, there are some mighty big and fast spiders out there, not conducive to deep relaxation. What we need is one of these: Could go yogic flying down the beach, that'd raise some eyebrows! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now! The Greeks vote for an end to the austerity politics that the EU and IMF have imposed on them since they had to be rescued from bankruptcy. Be interesting to see what happens next, some of them might have to delay retirement past the age of 50, and other horrors. They should never have been allowed to join the Euro anyway, all these poor countries playing on a level field with Germany and France, it was bound to end in tears. So they might as well get it over with and go back to the Drachma. But with all money connected worldwide we'll all feel the effects of a break-up in the Euro. Interestingly the UK has similar levels of public debt, the difference with us is our creditors still think we might be able to pay it back if we destroy more public services and sell the remains to the private sector so the people we owe money to can make even more out of us. It's all gone horribly wrong somewhere, the banks wreck society and have to be bailed out by the government who say they don't have that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
I can assure you that I am not in the least confused. Free speech has nothing to do with this situation. The owner of the group and his representative have every right to require that contributors maintain civility in their discourse. It's not a matter of disallowing opposing viewpoints, but simply making it clear that there are ways of expressing oneself that are no longer acceptable on this forum. I do not see why that should be so difficult to understand or accept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: As the World Churns
Funny thing is that we have people in the US with the opinion the Greeks should pay back what they owe. What these people don't know is Americans owe more per capita than the Greeks do. Be careful what you wish for. On 07/08/2015 03:16 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As pointed out by Neil Cavuto about an hour ago, a market reduction of 10% is a correction and 30% is a market crash leading to a recession. Crash is the appropriate term for what is happening in China. We owe them $1.6 trillion ourselves. Get ready for the global blow-back.
[FairfieldLife] MUM in Bloomberg Businessweek
July 6-th issue of Bloomberg BusinessWeek, p.26-27, with pic of the Campus.: Rand Paul Finds Fans On a Higher Plane. The Bottom Line says :Rand Paul is counting on the devotees of the Maharishi, who pushed Ron Paul to third place in Iowa in 2012. ... The article begins by mentioning Earth Water. ...patrons sit crosslegged on mats as they down cups of oolong or puerh. Mentions the Maharishi Effect but not the butt-bouncing part. Just says that at least 1,700 meditators gather together. .. Two persons interviewed by the magazine are Jeff Shipley and Roger Leahy, who helped the area become a stronghold for Ron Paul. Now Rand says about Fairfield: There's a strong liberty movement there, From what I understand, there's a strong aversion to war. We've got to believe in justice, Paul said. The crowd cheered. I'm hoping we can lead the way again,, says Leahy. I'm hoping we can get 75% of the vote for Rand Paul this time.. article by David Weigel My prediction and comment: a worthy cause (Paul) but he won't win. Jeb or Marco Rubio have a better chance. What's your prediction?
[FairfieldLife] Million Dollar Arm!
Troy Williams on phone, 1:20 - Jymyn iholla (osa 31) - Million Dollar Arm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eX31w41fx8feature=youtu.beapp=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eX31w41fx8feature=youtu.beapp=desktop Jymyn iholla (osa 31) - Million Dollar Arm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eX31w41fx8feature=youtu.beapp=desktop Niko Korhonen säväytti heittokädellään Itä-Länsi -tapahtumassa New York Yankeesin Euroopan kykyjenetsijä Troy Williamsin. Mitä ajatuksia se Nikossa h... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eX31w41fx8feature=youtu.beapp=desktop Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Cheers Alex. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site australia. So sorry we aren't entertaining enough for you. All this caring about stuff. Tsk. Tedious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : hi salyavin, glad you're still here. And now I'm really wishing you were here in Fairfield. Because you'd find many folks who like you find dinosaurs spiritual. Or birds or trees or even plastic bags! This is what I've been trying to convey to you and Curtis too. That many people here have grown beyond a bounded view of human development. Based on their own experiences. Now, the other topic I'd like to address, and this is my response to your post about evolution and science and at a deeper level, what is real. Isn't the determination of what is real dependent upon when one takes the photo? IOW, considering the process during which a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, if we take the photo at a certain point in that process, we could say the caterpillar is gone. But is that real? Or said another way, is that the whole picture? The trick is you have to be sure that you get as much of the picture before making statements about accuracy. In the case of a butterfly it would be impossible to fathom it's life until you know all the stages but once you do it's impossible to think there is something else hiding undiscovered. Most aspects of life are the same, what else could there be to mankind in a real sense as opposed to us just making stuff up about funny trips we've had? Spiritual is what things mean to us, not a reflection of any intrinsic value in nature. We infer that an inner experience is a profound understanding of nature but you can't have inferred knowledge, there is no such thing. It's just a guess based on what we want to be true, or lack the objectivity or data to demonstrate otherwise. Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves. So I'm very wary of spiritual claims of knowledge gained through revelation. With any experience I have, whether during TM or outside of it, I wonder, Is this the whole picture? And I think many of us long term TMers have come to realize that there is no static whole picture, that it is an ever unfolding experience of what it means to be a ever unfolding human in an ever unfolding universe. Excellent. Rejecting the guru's teaching is a good first step. Just don't replace it with your own drivel ;-) This experience makes one a scientist, but one who is full of wonder and joy about what is being observed. This is what I sense in you too and what makes me think you'd enjoy a visit to Fairfield. You say but I would say that science starts with a sense of wonder and more importantly, a desire to explain what we experience. The idea of the scientist as a dry and dusty individual with no sense of romance is way wide of the mark. Just don't multiply entities unnecessarily (Occam's razor) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.coma To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : But it's the Funny Farm Lounge. We should expect knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting from the inmates. I just don't want to see discussion narrowed to some sheltered view of spirituality. Yup. Spiritual means different things to different people, it isn't just a term for airy-fairy daydreams about awakening into a sea of bliss. I find dinosaurs very spiritual because thinking about the deep past and the sense of time passing and the unpredictable future of life gives me a sense of perspective in my day. A sense of place in the universe, and it's real. On 07/07/2015 01:17 PM, feste37 wrote: I'm mystified as to why you think that the alternative to having a moderated group as it is evolving here on FFL is a bliss ninny group. That's absurd. I am all for vigorous discussion, opposing points of view, and honest dialogue. I am against the kind of knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting against all things spiritual that went on here up until the last few weeks. And for all the abuse Doug has taken, one would hardly realize that he has been a good exponent of exactly what you are calling for in your post: a discussion of where things have gone in the TMO and where they are going. Many of his comments and insights over the last few years have been very astute. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : As far as I'm concerned Rick set the community standards as he defines it on the header for the group. If you don't like them then start yet another bliss ninny group. Those seem to be extremely popular and long lived. :-D I've been online since the early 1980s. I've seen many a BBS come and go. I've seen heavy handed moderators come and go too. Seems that late comers have a creepy idea of what moderation is about. TM is just dime store yoga taught at Neumann-Marcus prices. it was
