Re: [FairfieldLife] CDC: 59% of COVID cases are spread by people without symptoms

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Hi Theresa, when I said pray to God but tie up yr camel, I meant, in 
thiscurrent context, meditate, but wear a mask, etc. Being well over 65, having 
Type A blood and high BP, what's common sense for me is to avoid going outas 
much as possible. But I pray for those suffering in hospitals andnursing homes 
and elsewhere. You too, be well, stay safe and radiate Truth.



On Sunday, November 22, 2020, 02:03:42 AM CST, Theresa Olson 
theresaolson...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]  
wrote:  
 
     
Which explains why Guru Dev died of throat cancer and Maharishi from congestive 
heart failure.

Maharishi regularly said to fight to stay alive. Fight! Active verb. Not a 
quiescent state of surrender.
God helps those who help themselves.
Avert danger before it arises.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you 
I think common sense must be the leading factor here.
Show compassion by caring for others.
Peter and Sharon. Since you both are so strong, please go and volunteer at the 
hospitals where folks are suffering. Uplift them with your darshan and tell 
them your messages ge. Hold them in your arms as they die and let them know 
your point of view.

Prove to me you are invulnerable to this disease and then we will trust you..
I know I am not.  
 Be well, stay safe and care.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 21, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Peter Rousseau rousseau...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:

    

Not to be contentious as that is not my intention, I do not believe that you 
even have to worry about the camel. The Guru Dev stated that we should attach 
the mind, through our meditation, to Paramatma. That is the clear instruction. 
Then, Paramatma, seeing everywhere, even this very place, takes care of all the 
Devotees needs without PRAYER AND WITHOUT having to ask; because it is His 
nature to solve all the issues of his Devotees because he does not want them to 
suffer in any way. This is in His role as Almighty Father. As a father I can 
attest that I wish to do the very same thing for my children; unfortunately I 
am not Almighty.
Jai Guru Dev!



On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:41 PM Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:

     

 Pray to God. But tie up your camel.

On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 12:01:40 PM CST, Peter Rousseau 
rousseau...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]  wrote:  
 
     

All Meditators,
You are all Devotees of the Almighty, Omnipresent, Omnipotent Govinda. He is 
your Ishta Deva and the Ishta protects one from Anishtam(calamity)(per the Guru 
Dev). This is the promise of the Most High God! That is why we are Devoted to 
Him(Ishwara). Do we not realize this? This is why we do what we do; to 
eliminate from ourselves all limitation and weakness, living thereafter under 
the infinite protection of the Personal God.. He has promised to do this for 
all His Devotees. We need to be aware of this tremendous advantage that 
Mahesh-Ji has bestowed upon us; a Diamond of inestimable worth..
If we know this and believe in the Infinite power of the Supreme Being, I ask a 
simple question, 'what are we afraid of? If we are afraid of this current 
pestilence, perhaps we do not realize the above and we are lacking in Faith 
which we still need to possess even though we are systematically replacing 
blind Faith with direct experience; a very big difference. Based upon our 
direct experience we have faith that what we have not experienced we will one 
day participate in.
The Gods have no interest in causing the Devotees of Paramatma to suffer. If 
this were so, then our meditation is not what we have been told that it is and 
I know from my own experience that our meditation represents the Highest 
Spiritual teaching available to mankind on this earth.
Please stop cowering in and spreading fear and reflect the power that we all 
are infusing daily from the Almighty Being to whom we are Devotees.
Namaste
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:16 AM Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:

     

   
   - According to the CDC, 24% of people who transmit the virus to others never 
develop symptoms and another 35% were pre-symptomatic.
   - It's one of the main reasons mask use is so important, the CDC said. 
   - Peak infectiousness comes five days after infection, the agency said on 
the website.
https://www..cnn..com/2020/11/20/health/cdc-coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic-website-wellness/index.htmlMost
 coronavirus cases are spread by people without symptoms, CDC now saysBy Maggie 
Fox, CNN

Updated 10:31 PM ET, Fri November 20, 2020



(CNN) Most coronavirus infections are spread by people who have no symptoms, 
the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in newly updated 
guidance.
It's one of the main reasons mask use is so important, the CDC said. "Most 
SARS-CoV-2 infections are spread by people without symptoms," the agency said 
in a section of its website devoted to explaining the science of how to use 
masks to control the spread of the 
virus.<201120

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Inducing panic': Media under fire for driving coronavirus hype to epidemic levels

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Thanks for this. Good to have all views.Hope you're having a sweet weekend..

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 9:35:36 PM CDT, Brianna Delott 
briannadel...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]  wrote:  
 
     

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/11/media-fueling-coronavirus-panic-under-fire/?fbclid=IwAR1RzTr7T2mVR8iyTf2aLbWBqRXNZWNhrdyx5ftt3QJyFacMWrIvU_M8COE
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:19 PM Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:

     

https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797?amp=1=IwAR02ASBUmIDXMvtRFN5aOAlCVTd1V5f_EkTD_leIqX5mQpbbF-bJd8_gliEOPINION
I'm a doctor in a major hospital in Western Europe. Watching you Americans (and 
you, Brits) in these still-early days of the coronavirus pandemic is like 
watching a familiar horror movie, where the protagonists, yet again, split into 
pairs or decide to take a tour of a dark basement.

The real-life versions of this behavior are pretending this is just a flu; 
keeping schools open; following through with your holiday travel plans, and 
going into the office daily. This is what we did in Italy. We were so 
complacent that even when people with coronavirus symptoms started turning up, 
we wrote each off as a nasty case of the flu.. We kept the economy going, 
pointed fingers at China and urged tourists to keep traveling. And the majority 
of us told ourselves and each other: this isn't so bad. We're young, we're fit, 
we'll be fine even if we catch it.

Fast-forward two months, and we are drowning. Statistically speaking—judging by 
the curve in China—we are not even at the peak yet, but our fatality rate is at 
over 6 percent, double the known global average.

Put aside statistics.. Here is how it looks in practice. Most of my childhood 
friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, 
they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 
40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old 
with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, 
meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing 
and need oxygen.

The army is trying to bring some of them to other regions with helicopters but 
it's not enough: the flow is just too much, too many people are getting sick at 
the same time.

We are still awaiting the peak of the epidemic in Europe: probably early April 
for Italy, mid-April for Germany and Switzerland, somewhere around that time 
for the UK. In the U.S., the infection has only just begun.

But until we're past the peak, the only solution is to impose social 
restrictions.

And if your government is hesitating, these restrictions are up to you. Stay 
put. Do not travel. Cancel that family reunion, the promotion party and the big 
night out. This really sucks, but these are special times. Don't take risks. Do 
not go to places where you are more than 20 people in the same room. It's not 
safe and it's not worth it.

But why the urgency, if most people survive?

Here's why: Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up 
your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. "We are 
all young"—okay. "Even if we get the bug, we will survive"—fantastic. How about 
needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or 
getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for 
the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another 
bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an 
immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu. No travel 
for leisure or business is worth this risk.

Now, odds are, you might catch coronavirus and might not even get symptoms. 
Great. Good for you. Very bad for everyone else, from your own grandparents to 
the random older person who got on the subway train a stop or two after you got 
off. You're fine, you're barely even sneezing or coughing, but you're walking 
around and you kill a couple of old ladies without even knowing it. Is that 
fair? You tell me.

My personal as well as professional view: we all have a duty to stay put, 
except for very special reasons, like, you go to work because you work in 
healthcare, or you have to save a life and bring someone to hospital, or go out 
to shop for food so you can survive. But when we get to this stage of a 
pandemic, it's really important not to spread the bug. The only thing that 
helps is social restriction. Ideally, the government should issue that 
instruction and provide a financial fallback—compensate business owners, ease 
the financial load on everyone as much as possible and reduce the incentive of 
risking your life or the lives of others just to make ends meet. But if your 
government or company is slow on the uptake, don't be that person. Take 
responsibility. For all but essential movement, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Karma Yoga

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 According to the concordance, on pg 303 of SofB, there's something on karma 
yoga.Hope this helps.

On Thursday, July 12, 2018, 1:09:47 AM CDT, eustace10679 
 wrote:  
 
     

No, that's not it. I remember reading plainly that TM *is* Karma Yoga, the 
important issue being that after diving in you *have* ti get out and transfer 
to the outer world of action the what you got from diving in. That's why in TM 
extended practice -- without outside action -- is not recommended under normal 
circumstances and unlike other meditation practices. I remember reading it in 
the Science of Being -- and I've also read the Commentary.
Maharishi's statement was straightforward and it did not involve 
interpretation. I think everybody should know about it. If anybody has the book 
handy and haven't read it, This statement remained in my memory as the most 
interesting in the book. And BTW it was written many years before the 
introduction of the sidhi program.

Eustace
-- 
The Meditation Meter Website
http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new day in America!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new day in America!
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Contrary to MMY's ideas, a businessman recommends

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But Mike, what looks like hard work to someone, might be simply a joyful flow 
for the person doing the work.
I recently heard the story of 2 men carrying something really heavy. After a 
while the younger man, by 20 years, noticed that the older man wasn't even out 
of breath. He asked the older man why, who said, "I'm not out of breath because 
nothing in me is resisting the task." The older man was Lester Levensen, 
founder of both The Sedona Method and The Release Technique. The younger man is 
who told this story. 


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Contrary to MMY's ideas, a businessman recommends
   
    I've noticed this idea over the years in the TM movement. "oh, I'll let 
nature organize it!" They sit back and wait and meditate for ever and a day and 
nothing gets done or is half-ass done
The fulfillment is an inner experience but accomplishments, acquiring wealth 
and achievements requires busting your butt(maybe physically or mentally) in 
most cases.  
Maharishi worked his ass off to get what he accomplished.

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 11:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Contrary to MMY's ideas, a businessman recommends
  
    to work harder to become a millionaire>
Self-made millionaire: If you want to get rich, start working 95 hours a week 
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Fulfillment and affluence through higher consciousness, not through hard work - 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Clinton-Trump 44-44 in Iowa

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

noozguru, yep, I've begun to wonder if there's some very bizarre deal bt 
Clinton and Trump.  This morning it's reported that he's advocating not having 
an election, just give the win to him! It's almost insane to think that he's 
not throwing the election her way by his extreme behavior. Oh, what a movie it 
would make. (-: 


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Clinton-Trump 44-44 in Iowa
   
 We'll know November 9th but until then it seems anybodies guess.  
Conservative Republicans don't like Trump because he's too liberal.  In fact he 
may be to the left of Clinton.  They're buddies too so sometimes I think 
they're playing a massive charade on the American people.
 
 I saw the possibility of Trump being a Buzz Windrip (Slnclair Lewis's "It 
Can't Happen Here") when he started running. So did others.  I thought the 
Sanders was a long shot but he did well in his campaign.  I think he should 
still be the Democratic Party Candidate and we know to Clinton campaign did 
everything they could to get him out of the race.  Remember both Trump and 
Sanders are on the same page regarding trade agreements, job loss and wars of 
empire.  Clinton just tries to snow her followers.
 
 On 10/27/2016 04:47 PM, feste37 wrote:
  
    I'm worried about these polls for some of the reasons you state, but I do 
not know which candidate the inaccuracies will favor. It seems highly unlikely 
that Trump can win, but I will still be relieved when the day after the 
election arrives. 
 
 I understand the Tweedledee-Tweedledum thing, but I think there are also major 
differences between the parties. Obamacare, for example, has markedly reduced 
the number of uninsured people in this country, which would never have happened 
had Obama not been in the White House. The  Republicans also have a large 
number of climate change deniers, which the Democrats do not have.  
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
  LOL!  And just how are these polls conducted?  Have you not read that this 
election year polls have been difficult to conduct because 1) millennials don't 
have landlines which are called for polling and 2) older folks like me who get 
those surveys have robocall blockers so we never pick up?
 
 The election is tweedle-dee and tweedle dumber.  Ho-hum.  Welcome to politics 
South American style.
 
 
Sal  
  
   
  
 
  
  On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:49 PM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote: 
 
 
 According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, Hillary has pulled even with Trump in 
Iowa. 
 
   
  

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is a beautiful and much more detailed description of this process in Joan 
Harrigan's book Kundalini Vidya. Just to give a hint: once Shakti has traversed 
sushumna and reaches makara, She is stable. From there She and Shiva travel up 
to crown chakra. But this is just the tip of the iceberg of wisdom contained in 
Dr. Harrigan's book. I highly recommend it for any who are interested. It can 
be ordered at PKYC in Knoxville, TN.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:22 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    ..it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this 
solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the 
macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of 
love and wisdom. There also is a fire by friction in the center of the earth 
called the kundalini fire. The human is the focal point of these two fires or 
forces which play through him and activate his seven centers of light. The 
kundalini is a negatively charged energy which is activated by the positively 
charged energy, the spiritual fire, which is located in the central spiritual 
sun.It is said that at a propitious time kundalini hears the call of her mate 
and rises from her cave in the base of the human spine to meet him. The 
kundalini fire is aroused as a final step in one's spiritual development, and 
it can only travel up a clear, pure channel, activating the chakras as it goes. 
While this is happening, the latent powers within one are also coming into full 
expression in a natural way. It is the way that one through many rebirths, and 
now rapidly through meditation, moves from mortality to immortality. [excerpt]
FFL 419964 A Biography of Charlie Lutes and Helen Lutes:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Once I heard M directly telling the classical analogy of these energies 
circulating in the energy centers of the nervous system. The classical analogy 
..like a snake circulating with its tail in its mouth, circulating through the 
energy centers, and his comment that Transcendental Meditation is what takes 
the tail out of the snake’s mouth and then allows the snake to circulate 
freely. I directly heard him saying this one time on a course in Switzerland 
and then sometime later that year while I was back in the USA teaching then 
hearing someone recount Maharishi as saying (as if literally) ‘there is a snake 
in the spine’, etc.  Jeez people!  I feel he stopped publicly talking about 
these aspects of embodiment of the primordial in the light body of the human 
being as it was too distracting for where a lot of people were at and where the 
 development of science was at in that time such that science then could not 
back up what is the spiritual reality.  
Obviously the instrumentation is not yet there to image this and put a handle 
on it.  That sort of technological imaging in science research proly will catch 
up with spirituality in time. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yes, as breath is also intimate to the heart and subtle system it seems that 
working on alignment of these subtle energy systems of the spiritual nervous 
system is a lot of where so many of the meditating community have gone on to.  
I have been going to these planning meetings with various movement people and 
it is pretty clear that some of those still narrowly vested in the strict ™ 
consciousness paradigm  don’t really get where people have gone in their 
spiritual experience.  More recently with the opening up of mental health 
policy inside TM, some clinical thinkers are moving to the direction of 
‘integral’ medicine but that only goes to incorporating cognitive modality as 
their means of getting to the heart of spiritual problems.  That is okay as one 
modality. The communal satsang of the old meditating community evidently has 
cultivated other experience with it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of 
western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers 
takes hold.
The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the 
functions they perform.  Breath may be something people can understand better 
than say, chakras.
Another area which has little or no public awareness is that of sexual energy, 
and how it pertains to overall health and mental acuity, at least as I see it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an 
intellectual skepticism about these energy centers:  ‘Thin lines of energy 
flowing in 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why do you think "shared" was inappropriate to use in the context?

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    Nope, not based on the interview (which I didn't read). I was just struck 
by the inappropriateness of the term "shared" in the context in which you used 
it. And what you say it was based on has nothing to do with why I was struck by 
it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Judy, is that speculation about what you would have written based on your 
reading of the interview with Joan that yifuxero posted? My use of the word 
"shared" is based on my total experience with PKYC, from Joan's intro talk here 
in FF, to the extensive application process and to actually attending a two 
week retreat about 2 years later.


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When I was at the PKYC TN center in July 2009, Joan shared that they have a 96% 
success rate.
If I had been reporting what she said, I think I would have used the term 
"bragged" or perhaps "claimed" rather than "shared."


Indeed, at the end of the first week of a 2-week retreat, my own kundalini went 
from being a deflected one, to becoming established in sushumna and rising all 
the way to makara. I am so grateful for the knowledge and expertise that PKYC 
offer and recommend it highly to anyone who is feeling stuck on their spiritual 
path. 


  From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

 Thxcovered extensively by Joan Harrigan of Kundalini Care.  Her book 
covers various types of kundalini risings, including those which are exemplary 
and rare in history (such as in the probable case of St. Paul); and also 
partial and deflected risings and their outcomes.  Remedial measures may 
require participation in her counseling sessions at her TN center.My take: 
there's no magical technique that will in any predictable time period, that 
will result in a favorable type of kundalini rising and opening of the third 
eye (what she calls the upper third eye or Makara point).
http://www.authenticmovementjournal.com/?p=530.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Judy, is that speculation about what you would have written based on your 
reading of the interview with Joan that yifuxero posted? My use of the word 
"shared" is based on my total experience with PKYC, from Joan's intro talk here 
in FF, to the extensive application process and to actually attending a two 
week retreat about 2 years later.


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When I was at the PKYC TN center in July 2009, Joan shared that they have a 96% 
success rate.
If I had been reporting what she said, I think I would have used the term 
"bragged" or perhaps "claimed" rather than "shared."


Indeed, at the end of the first week of a 2-week retreat, my own kundalini went 
from being a deflected one, to becoming established in sushumna and rising all 
the way to makara. I am so grateful for the knowledge and expertise that PKYC 
offer and recommend it highly to anyone who is feeling stuck on their spiritual 
path. 


  From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
 
 Thxcovered extensively by Joan Harrigan of Kundalini Care.  Her book 
covers various types of kundalini risings, including those which are exemplary 
and rare in history (such as in the probable case of St. Paul); and also 
partial and deflected risings and their outcomes.  Remedial measures may 
require participation in her counseling sessions at her TN center.My take: 
there's no magical technique that will in any predictable time period, that 
will result in a favorable type of kundalini rising and opening of the third 
eye (what she calls the upper third eye or Makara point).
http://www.authenticmovementjournal.com/?p=530.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good morning, DougI've heard that there are several in FF who have availed 
themselves of PKYC wisdom and expertise. Names kept confidential as PKYC has, 
in my opinion, the highest of spiritual integrity. 


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    Thanks Share, I have heard of the place in TN., it is nice to have the 
referral from someone who has been there. Occasionally some have troubles that 
are energetic in the kundalini category that can be debilitating. There are 
people around more locally who may be helpful too.  Comprehensive remedy 
evidently can go beyond what is in the checking notes for meditation.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When I was at the PKYC TN center in July 2009, Joan shared that they have a 96% 
success rate.
If I had been reporting what she said, I think I would have used the term 
"bragged" or perhaps "claimed" rather than "shared."


Indeed, at the end of the first week of a 2-week retreat, my own kundalini went 
from being a deflected one, to becoming established in sushumna and rising all 
the way to makara. I am so grateful for the knowledge and expertise that PKYC 
offer and recommend it highly to anyone who is feeling stuck on their spiritual 
path. 


  From: "yifuxero@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
 
 Thxcovered extensively by Joan Harrigan of Kundalini Care.  Her book 
covers various types of kundalini risings, including those which are exemplary 
and rare in history (such as in the probable case of St. Paul); and also 
partial and deflected risings and their outcomes.  Remedial measures may 
require participation in her counseling sessions at her TN center.My take: 
there's no magical technique that will in any predictable time period, that 
will result in a favorable type of kundalini rising and opening of the third 
eye (what she calls the upper third eye or Makara point).
http://www.authenticmovementjournal.com/?p=530.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

yifuxero, followup, PKYC doesn't use any magical techniques, simply traditional 
yogic practices such as pranayama and asanas. But asanas specifically for one's 
particular kundalini problem. There is also some emphasis on food choices, 
again with traditional vedic diet. Plus the application for the program is 
quite extensive including three personal histories: a health history, a 
spiritual history and a life event history. So they are well prepared for each 
client who comes for a retreat. And, at least back in 2009, the groups were 
quite small, only four clients at a time. It's a very beautiful program. If you 
read the testimonials on their website, you can feel how grateful people are, 
especially if they have been stuck for a long time in their spiritual life.


  From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    Thxcovered extensively by Joan Harrigan of Kundalini Care.  Her book 
covers various types of kundalini risings, including those which are exemplary 
and rare in history (such as in the probable case of St. Paul); and also 
partial and deflected risings and their outcomes.  Remedial measures may 
require participation in her counseling sessions at her TN center.My take: 
there's no magical technique that will in any predictable time period, that 
will result in a favorable type of kundalini rising and opening of the third 
eye (what she calls the upper third eye or Makara point).
http://www.authenticmovementjournal.com/?p=530.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When I was at the PKYC TN center in July 2009, Joan shared that they have a 96% 
success rate. Indeed, at the end of the first week of a 2-week retreat, my own 
kundalini went from being a deflected one, to becoming established in sushumna 
and rising all the way to makara. I am so grateful for the knowledge and 
expertise that PKYC offer and recommend it highly to anyone who is feeling 
stuck on their spiritual path. 


  From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    Thxcovered extensively by Joan Harrigan of Kundalini Care.  Her book 
covers various types of kundalini risings, including those which are exemplary 
and rare in history (such as in the probable case of St. Paul); and also 
partial and deflected risings and their outcomes.  Remedial measures may 
require participation in her counseling sessions at her TN center.My take: 
there's no magical technique that will in any predictable time period, that 
will result in a favorable type of kundalini rising and opening of the third 
eye (what she calls the upper third eye or Makara point).
http://www.authenticmovementjournal.com/?p=530.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dakota = friend!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't think any of the three people are associated with the university at 
all. And one of the 2 guys is no longer associated with TM.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dakota = friend!
   
    I agree with Ann, they should be given medals (and bailed out by the 
university if necessary).
Given medals for what?  Bailed out by the University? Why? Misappropriation of 
University funds.
  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dakota = friend!
  
    As long as they were arrested for committing nonviolent civil disobedience, 

One can never be sure exactly what the fruits of group meditation will be, how 
they will manifest in the world. It may very well be that participation in 
nonviolent protests against oppression and injustice is one of those fruits.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There are some meditators from Fairfield, Iowa here who havebeen arrested out 
protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline.
As representative exponents of reality, is it too late to decertify or at least 
separate from representing the community or the teaching transcending 
meditation someone who was trained and certified directly by Maharishi, even 
for their civil or criminal misconduct? What about these community meditators 
going out and making a spectacle of themselves and getting arrested law 
violating? If they had their meditations checked should they be let back in 
with the collective of the communal group meditation? 
Really?! Those who went, protested and got arrested deserve medals not 
condemnation. Good for them. FF residents (and meditators to boot) doing 
something concrete in this world instead of thinking group meditation will 
solve everything. Finally, something I can respect! Well done all you 
'criminals' and scofflaws out there - more power to you. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This guy is so full of Bull Shit. He's worse than Brian Williams!


  From: "hepa7@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dakota = friend!
 
 Amerikan massive collective bad karma?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

duh, I use my real name and I'm not a moderator! 


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
There must be hundreds of people that have posted to FFL using an alias - for 
obvious reasons. Why is there such an interest in their identity? Hardly anyone 
seems to use their real name - except the moderators.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Since both ananda and Vox are anonymous handles, your comment that I am 
attempting to reveal someone's identity (i.e., their real-world identity) makes 
no sense. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


So, what does that mean? It looks like you're attempting to reveal someon'e 
identity, while concealing your own.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

My guess is that ananda and Vox are one and the same. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I could be wrong, but I don't think ananda_das_gupta is the same person as Vox 
and yogi dude. anon_alias is, however.
I do believe ananda_das_gupta is a member of and has been getting his 
(mis)information from The_Closet. He has no way of knowing what liars the other 
members are, especially about FFL history.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You got banned from the MUM campus for being a "free-thinker", but I'm being 
"trollish" for agreeing with the moderator about the banning and shunning on 
campus?
I'll humor you and give you the attention you apparently require. At this point 
I have no idea what you are asking but that is quite the catch phrase "banning 
and shunning". I like it. Now, here is your virtual hug - 'HUGZ'. Here is a 
tip: instead of repeating yourself asking rhetorical and endless loop questions 
perhaps you should check out "The Water Closet" over where the boys are 
conglomerating. They love repetition over there when they're not preening 
themselves. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

He just doesn't seem to like to be left out of any party. I think the giveaway 
is the inability not to keep repeating himself over and over a if he hasn't 
heard what the other person has written. I think that might be termed 
'trollish' in the old vernacular.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Seriously?  This is him too?  How many aliases does that make that he's using 
concurrently?  I count 3: this one, vox and yogi dude.  A record!
Sal








 On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:51 PM, olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:










last I heard, he was headed over to your place, Tex.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


So, you don't want to talk about the banning and shunning. What happened to 
Doug, the moderator, who was complaining about the banning and shunning - the 
guy who started this thread?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Enough questions for now, you precocious four year old. Time for your nap...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


So, how many have been banned from the Dome? Apparently none of the FFL 
moderators are in good standing with the TM Org. One was actually banned, right?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
campus, etc.
 ananda_das_gupta  
So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right?
So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims. Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it by 
choice, without any prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate 
social skills, live and learn. 

So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh? Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your fantasy doesn't hold up. 

There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could be a site about 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I meant on FFL! 


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
My suggestion is to replace all of the top administrators at MUM and the TM Org 
and to stop the dome badge requirement - let people all meditate together, 
without prejudice or fear of banishment and shunning. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

ananda, do you have any suggestions for dealing with alleged banning, shunning 
and stalking?


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
 
 
There must be thousands of disaffected TM Teachers out there, having once spent 
thousands of dollars and years of service to become certified teachers - now 
required to be "re-certified" in order to teach. 
But, the banning from the domes just seems so radical that it sounds like the 
TM Org turned into a cult.
My point is that most of the current FFL members seem to be displaying the same 
mentality - banning and shunning other members of the group. Not to mention the 
cyber stalking. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Plus all the thousands who learned TMyears ago, thought it was just a bit of a 
relaxation technique andhave little interest in people still interested in TM 
or who usedto be interested.  They could care less about a Yahoo Group 
likethis.  But there is a small group who still think that TM is thecenter of 
the universe.

 

 On 09/09/2016 05:51 PM, ananda_das_gupta wrote:



  The disaffected is probably inthe hundreds or even thousands by now: banned 
and shunned.Why else would anyone want to subscribe to a group likethus? But, 
there is a strange silence from the currentcampus student population. Maybe 
they are scared.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Don't know. Is there morethan one FFL moderator? Right.


  From:ananda_das_gupta
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Friday, September 9, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed. 
So, how many havebeen banned from the Dome?Apparently none of the FFLmoderators 
are in good standingwith the TM Org. One was actuallybanned, right?

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Wrong!I was an active poster toFFL and have not beenbanned from Dome, 
MUMcampus, etc.
ananda_das_gupta 
So,you calledthem on their"shit" and youare an adult.And, there areno 
victimsfrom banningand shunningat the MUMcampus. It's amatter ofpersonalchoice, 
to getbanned fromthe Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting toFFL has 
beenbanned fromthe MUMcampus, right?
So,why is Doug,the moderator,so upset? 

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

FFL2is very muchactive, if youcare to joinand postthere. Theones whocaused so 
muchtrouble herewent to FFL2,until they gotcalled ontheir shit,and 
madetracks,willingly. Weare all adultshere, makingour owndecisions.There 
aren'tany victims.Those who havechosen toexcludethemselves didit by 
choice,without anyprompting. Asfor thosebooted fromFFL forinadequatesocial 
skills,live andlearn. 

So, howz aboutsome of that"controversialspirituality"from you, huh?Let's see 
howmuch you arebanned,shunned,stalked andharassed aftersharingit...but Iwon't 
beholding mybreath. Yourfantasydoesn't holdup. 

There aremostly thosewho get alongin the world,and there area few fuckups. The 
fuckupsunfortunatelyleak theirgarbage ontoothers, andfor thatreason are 
notwelcome here.Get it? Couldbe a siteabout *shoes*and the samerules apply.

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Oneof the otherFFL moderatorscreated a"free speech"zone on YahooGroups, but, it 
looks like they were shut down bycyberstalkers,following themaround on 
theinternet.
Kickedout of theDome andbanned fromcampus -shunned.Banned fromFFL andstalked. 
Thisjust doesn'tappear to bemuch of aspiritualgroup. Nowthat's ironic!
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Well, at least FFL andDoug aren'tlike TheCorner wherethere is abouncer at 
thedoor with aprepared listof those whocan't even getin the room.Talk 
aboutcensorship andlack of freespeech. Inaddition, youcan't evenread 
anythingthere unlessyou are on thelist ofapprovedindividuals.And the guywho 
startedthat forum andthose who arein attendancewere the onesgiving Doug ahard 
timeabout the lackof free speechat FFL. Tooironic to bebelieved.Luckily, sinceI 
knoweveryone overthere and haveheard whatthey have tosay about ahundred 
timesI'm notremotelyinterested ingettingadmitted. Somethings justdon't 
getbetter withage.


---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

InDoug'sdefense, notone person has*ever* beenbanned fromFFL 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Where does Hillary stand on GMOs?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Chinese insult? 


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Where does Hillary stand on GMOs?
   
    I assume the smiley face means you're aware that "May you live in 
interesting times" isn't actually a Chinese curse, famous or otherwise, right?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This Iowa folk already knows. Figure that in previous life we Americans all 
received the famous Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times. (-:


  From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Where does Hillary stand on GMOs?
 
 So Hillaryettes, where does she stand on GMO and Monsanto? The Iowa 
folks want know.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Laughter very good for releasing endorphins so yay! (-:


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
 We're getting a great laugh at this over on The Corner.  Keep up the show. 
 Oh, Ollie needs some help with his jigsaw puzzle.  Can you help him?  Nurse 
Rachet will be along in awhile with your meds.  Ain't life just grand in the 
Funny Farm Lounge? :-D
 
 On 09/10/2016 08:42 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    I could be wrong, but I don't think ananda_das_gupta is the same person as 
Vox and yogi dude. anon_alias is, however. 
  I do believe ananda_das_gupta is a member of and has been getting his 
(mis)information from The_Closet. He has no way of knowing what liars the other 
members are, especially about FFL history. 
  
  
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 You got banned from the MUM campus for being a "free-thinker", but I'm being 
"trollish" for agreeing with the moderator about the banning and shunning on 
campus? 
  I'll humor you and give you the attention you apparently require. At this 
point I have no idea what you are  asking but that is quite the catch phrase 
"banning and shunning". I like it. Now, here is your virtual hug - 'HUGZ'. Here 
is a tip: instead of repeating yourself asking rhetorical and endless loop 
questions perhaps you should check out "The Water Closet" over where the boys 
are conglomerating. They love repetition over there when they're not  preening 
themselves. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 He just doesn't seem to like to be left out of any party. I think the giveaway 
is the inability not to keep  repeating himself over and over a if he hasn't 
heard what the other person has written. I think that might be termed 
'trollish' in the old vernacular.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
  Seriously?  This is him too?  How many aliases does that make that he's using 
concurrently?  I count 3: this one, vox and yogi dude.  A record! 
  Sal 
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:51 PM, olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  
 last I heard, he was headed over to your place, Tex.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 So, you don't want to talk about the banning and shunning. What  happened to 
Doug, the moderator, who was complaining about the banning and shunning - the 
guy  who started this thread?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Enough questions for now, you precocious four year old. Time  for your nap...
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 So, how many have been banned from the Dome?  Apparently none of the FFL 
moderators are in good standing with the  TM Org. One was actually banned, 
right?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
 campus, etc. 
 ananda_das_gupta     
  So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are  no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a  matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right? 
  So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
 
 FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The  ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got  called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults  here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims.  Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it 
by choice, without any  prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate  
social skills, live and learn. 
 
 So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh?  Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and  harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your  fantasy doesn't hold up. 
 
 There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are  a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could  be a site about *shoes* and the 
same rules apply.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 One of the other FFL moderators created a "free speech" zone on Yahoo  Groups, 
but, it looks like they were shut down by cyber stalkers, following them around 
on the internet. 
  Kicked out of the Dome and banned from campus - 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Where does Hillary stand on GMOs?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This Iowa folk already knows. Figure that in previous life we Americans all 
received the famous Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times. (-:


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:23 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Where does Hillary stand on GMOs?
   
    So Hillaryettes, where does she stand on GMO and Monsanto? The Iowa 
folks want know.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ananda, do you have any suggestions for dealing with alleged banning, shunning 
and stalking?


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
There must be thousands of disaffected TM Teachers out there, having once spent 
thousands of dollars and years of service to become certified teachers - now 
required to be "re-certified" in order to teach. 
But, the banning from the domes just seems so radical that it sounds like the 
TM Org turned into a cult.
My point is that most of the current FFL members seem to be displaying the same 
mentality - banning and shunning other members of the group. Not to mention the 
cyber stalking. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Plus all the thousands who learned TMyears ago, thought it was just a bit of a 
relaxation technique andhave little interest in people still interested in TM 
or who usedto be interested.  They could care less about a Yahoo Group 
likethis.  But there is a small group who still think that TM is thecenter of 
the universe.


 On 09/09/2016 05:51 PM, ananda_das_gupta wrote:


  The disaffected is probably inthe hundreds or even thousands by now: banned 
and shunned.Why else would anyone want to subscribe to a group likethus? But, 
there is a strange silence from the currentcampus student population. Maybe 
they are scared.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Don't know. Is there morethan one FFL moderator? Right.


  From:ananda_das_gupta
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Friday, September 9, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed. 
So, how many havebeen banned from the Dome?Apparently none of the FFLmoderators 
are in good standingwith the TM Org. One was actuallybanned, right?

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Wrong!I was an active poster toFFL and have not beenbanned from Dome, 
MUMcampus, etc.
ananda_das_gupta 
So,you calledthem on their"shit" and youare an adult.And, there areno 
victimsfrom banningand shunningat the MUMcampus. It's amatter ofpersonalchoice, 
to getbanned fromthe Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting toFFL has 
beenbanned fromthe MUMcampus, right?
So,why is Doug,the moderator,so upset? 

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

FFL2is very muchactive, if youcare to joinand postthere. Theones whocaused so 
muchtrouble herewent to FFL2,until they gotcalled ontheir shit,and 
madetracks,willingly. Weare all adultshere, makingour owndecisions.There 
aren'tany victims.Those who havechosen toexcludethemselves didit by 
choice,without anyprompting. Asfor thosebooted fromFFL forinadequatesocial 
skills,live andlearn. 

So, howz aboutsome of that"controversialspirituality"from you, huh?Let's see 
howmuch you arebanned,shunned,stalked andharassed aftersharingit...but Iwon't 
beholding mybreath. Yourfantasydoesn't holdup. 

There aremostly thosewho get alongin the world,and there area few fuckups. The 
fuckupsunfortunatelyleak theirgarbage ontoothers, andfor thatreason are 
notwelcome here.Get it? Couldbe a siteabout *shoes*and the samerules apply.

---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Oneof the otherFFL moderatorscreated a"free speech"zone on YahooGroups, but, it 
looks like they were shut down bycyberstalkers,following themaround on 
theinternet.
Kickedout of theDome andbanned fromcampus -shunned.Banned fromFFL andstalked. 
Thisjust doesn'tappear to bemuch of aspiritualgroup. Nowthat's ironic!
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Well, at least FFL andDoug aren'tlike TheCorner wherethere is abouncer at 
thedoor with aprepared listof those whocan't even getin the room.Talk 
aboutcensorship andlack of freespeech. Inaddition, youcan't evenread 
anythingthere unlessyou are on thelist ofapprovedindividuals.And the guywho 
startedthat forum andthose who arein attendancewere the onesgiving Doug ahard 
timeabout the lackof free speechat FFL. Tooironic to bebelieved.Luckily, sinceI 
knoweveryone overthere and haveheard whatthey have tosay about ahundred 
timesI'm notremotelyinterested ingettingadmitted. Somethings justdon't 
getbetter withage.


---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

InDoug'sdefense, notone person has*ever* beenbanned fromFFL for notmeeting 
hisdefinition of"spiritual".

The reason afew werebanned, isthat theylacked basicsocial skills,and were 
moreinterested inbeing a painin the ass,vs.contributinganything ofsubstance. 
Hadnothing to dowith content,and everythingto do with notplaying wellwith 
others,due toimmaturity, alack ofmanners, andnoself-discipline.

Perhaps youcould quitmaking shitup? Thanks inadvance...///
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Whatyou may 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ananda, many things have happened. One would have to spend a lot of time 
investigating and looking at archives, etc. To what end? But if it gets your 
juices flowing, I'd say go for it.
 As for alleged banning and shunning, I think a healthy place to start is to 
look at one's own life and see what one is banning and shunning, avoiding etc. 
Just my opinion.


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
Apparently there are no current students posting here and only about five 
regular contributors. 
What happened?
The group seems to be composed of people that all got kicked out, in one form 
or another, from the TM Org. But, the moderator seems t be making some status 
claims trying to sell TM.
I'm simply pointing out that the individual members may not even realize the 
extent of the banning and shunning on the campus and on the FFL group. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

ananda, it's unclear what you mean when you write "...there is a strange 
silence from the current campus student population." Can you clarify? For 
example, do you mean that there are no or few students posting here?


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 7:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
 
 The disaffected is probably in the hundreds or even thousands by now: banned 
and shunned. Why else would anyone want to subscribe to a group like thus? But, 
there is a strange silence from the current campus student population. Maybe 
they are scared.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Don't know. Is there more than one FFL moderator? Right.


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed. 
So, how many have been banned from the Dome? Apparently none of the FFL 
moderators are in good standing with the TM Org. One was actually banned, right?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
campus, etc.
 ananda_das_gupta  
So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right?
So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims. Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it by 
choice, without any prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate 
social skills, live and learn. 

So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh? Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your fantasy doesn't hold up. 

There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could be a site about *shoes* and the same 
rules apply.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One of the other FFL moderators created a "free speech" zone on Yahoo Groups, 
but, it looks like they were shut down by cyber stalkers, following them around 
on the internet.
Kicked out of the Dome and banned from campus - shunned. Banned from FFL and 
stalked. This just doesn't appear to be much of a spiritual group. Now that's 
ironic!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well, at least FFL and Doug aren't like The Corner where there is a bouncer at 
the door with a prepared list of those who can't even get in the room. Talk 
about censorship and lack of free speech. In addition, you can't even read 
anything there unless you are on the list of approved individuals. And the guy 
who started that forum and those who are in attendance were the ones giving 
Doug a hard time about the lack of free speech at FFL. Too ironic to be 
believed. Luckily, since I know everyone over there and have heard what they 
have to say about a hundred times I'm not remotely interested in getting 
admitted. Some things just don't get better with age.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In Doug's defense, not one person has *ever* been banned from FFL for not 
meeting his 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ananda, I think, but am not 100% sure, that one can get banned for revealing 
the identity of someone who chooses to remain anonymous. I completely support 
this policy. Also, I tend to think that more transparency = more spiritual, 
mental and emotion health. Probably physical too. 


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    Yes, I can understand, considering the banning and shunning, why anyone 
would want to post to FFL anonymously using an alias. What are the rules 
concerning revealing a member's identity?  Thanks for the information. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Back in the olden days, when posting limits ruled the land, there was a strict 
rule about using only one identity to post. But, with the posting limits gone, 
and me not giving much of a firetruck what goes on around here, I'm content to 
let it slide. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Doug, the moderator, has apparently used numerous aliases. Is it against the 
rules to post anonymously to FFL? If so, you just set yourself up for at least 
a reprimand. Are you banned from the MUM campus? If so, for what reason?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Seriously?  This is him too?  How many aliases does that make that he's using 
concurrently?  I count 3: this one, vox and yogi dude.  A record!

Sal 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ananda, it's unclear what you mean when you write "...there is a strange 
silence from the current campus student population." Can you clarify? For 
example, do you mean that there are no or few students posting here?


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 7:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    The disaffected is probably in the hundreds or even thousands by now: 
banned and shunned. Why else would anyone want to subscribe to a group like 
thus? But, there is a strange silence from the current campus student 
population. Maybe they are scared.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Don't know. Is there more than one FFL moderator? Right.


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed. 
So, how many have been banned from the Dome? Apparently none of the FFL 
moderators are in good standing with the TM Org. One was actually banned, right?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
campus, etc.
 ananda_das_gupta  
So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right?
So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims. Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it by 
choice, without any prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate 
social skills, live and learn. 

So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh? Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your fantasy doesn't hold up. 

There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could be a site about *shoes* and the same 
rules apply.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One of the other FFL moderators created a "free speech" zone on Yahoo Groups, 
but, it looks like they were shut down by cyber stalkers, following them around 
on the internet.
Kicked out of the Dome and banned from campus - shunned. Banned from FFL and 
stalked. This just doesn't appear to be much of a spiritual group. Now that's 
ironic!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well, at least FFL and Doug aren't like The Corner where there is a bouncer at 
the door with a prepared list of those who can't even get in the room. Talk 
about censorship and lack of free speech. In addition, you can't even read 
anything there unless you are on the list of approved individuals. And the guy 
who started that forum and those who are in attendance were the ones giving 
Doug a hard time about the lack of free speech at FFL. Too ironic to be 
believed. Luckily, since I know everyone over there and have heard what they 
have to say about a hundred times I'm not remotely interested in getting 
admitted. Some things just don't get better with age.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In Doug's defense, not one person has *ever* been banned from FFL for not 
meeting his definition of "spiritual".

The reason a few were banned, is that they lacked basic social skills, and were 
more interested in being a pain in the ass, vs. contributing anything of 
substance. Had nothing to do with content, and everything to do with not 
playing well with others, due to immaturity, a lack of manners, and no 
self-discipline.

Perhaps you could quit making shit up? Thanks in advance...///
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What you may not realize is that the way you're running this discussion forum 
is just like they run the Dome - banning and shunning people that don't meet 
your definition of spiritual.
You're obviously selling TM and using your position as FFL moderator to enforce 
guidelines "as a primary retributive tool to discipline a sales force."
Maybe you could set us straight by answering a few questions.
What is your exact position, if any, with MUM?
Are you a re-certified TM teacher in good standing with the TM Org?
Did you graduate from the university, and if not, why not?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't know. Is there more than one FFL moderator? Right.


  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
So, how many have been banned from the Dome? Apparently none of the FFL 
moderators are in good standing with the TM Org. One was actually banned, right?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
campus, etc.
 ananda_das_gupta  
So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right?
So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims. Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it by 
choice, without any prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate 
social skills, live and learn. 

So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh? Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your fantasy doesn't hold up. 

There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could be a site about *shoes* and the same 
rules apply.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One of the other FFL moderators created a "free speech" zone on Yahoo Groups, 
but, it looks like they were shut down by cyber stalkers, following them around 
on the internet.
Kicked out of the Dome and banned from campus - shunned. Banned from FFL and 
stalked. This just doesn't appear to be much of a spiritual group. Now that's 
ironic!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well, at least FFL and Doug aren't like The Corner where there is a bouncer at 
the door with a prepared list of those who can't even get in the room. Talk 
about censorship and lack of free speech. In addition, you can't even read 
anything there unless you are on the list of approved individuals. And the guy 
who started that forum and those who are in attendance were the ones giving 
Doug a hard time about the lack of free speech at FFL. Too ironic to be 
believed. Luckily, since I know everyone over there and have heard what they 
have to say about a hundred times I'm not remotely interested in getting 
admitted. Some things just don't get better with age.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In Doug's defense, not one person has *ever* been banned from FFL for not 
meeting his definition of "spiritual".

The reason a few were banned, is that they lacked basic social skills, and were 
more interested in being a pain in the ass, vs. contributing anything of 
substance. Had nothing to do with content, and everything to do with not 
playing well with others, due to immaturity, a lack of manners, and no 
self-discipline.

Perhaps you could quit making shit up? Thanks in advance...///
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What you may not realize is that the way you're running this discussion forum 
is just like they run the Dome - banning and shunning people that don't meet 
your definition of spiritual.
You're obviously selling TM and using your position as FFL moderator to enforce 
guidelines "as a primary retributive tool to discipline a sales force."
Maybe you could set us straight by answering a few questions.
What is your exact position, if any, with MUM?
Are you a re-certified TM teacher in good standing with the TM Org?
Did you graduate from the university, and if not, why not?
Sometimes, you seem to be posting under various aliases. Why is that?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This kind of thing is just bad irony and publicity for what is going on here.  
It is plenty past time to just go and gut the Dome guidelines of the 
‘non-compete’ clauses particularly around the practice of jyotish.  Fairfield 
is full of people secretly promoting and practicing jyotish and giving 
readings.   Every time the Weekly Reader boldly publishes astrology from David 
Hawthorne it is a reminder of how he and his family in moving to Fairfield to 
be part of something larger were ridiculously judged and screwed by the 
movement. This is just plain bad for the energetics of the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wrong! I was an active poster to FFL and have not been banned from Dome, MUM 
campus, etc.

  From: ananda_das_gupta 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Dispossessed.
   
    
So, you called them on their "shit" and you are an adult. And, there are no 
victims from banning and shunning at the MUM campus. It's a matter of personal 
choice, to get banned from the Dome. I would suppose that everyone posting to 
FFL has been banned from the MUM campus, right?
So, why is Doug, the moderator, so upset? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FFL2 is very much active, if you care to join and post there. The ones who 
caused so much trouble here went to FFL2, until they got called on their shit, 
and made tracks, willingly. We are all adults here, making our own decisions. 
There aren't any victims. Those who have chosen to exclude themselves did it by 
choice, without any prompting. As for those booted from FFL for inadequate 
social skills, live and learn. 

So, howz about some of that "controversial spirituality" from you, huh? Let's 
see how much you are banned, shunned, stalked and harassed after sharing 
it...but I won't be holding my breath. Your fantasy doesn't hold up. 

There are mostly those who get along in the world, and there are a few fuck 
ups. The fuck ups unfortunately leak their garbage onto others, and for that 
reason are not welcome here. Get it? Could be a site about *shoes* and the same 
rules apply.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One of the other FFL moderators created a "free speech" zone on Yahoo Groups, 
but, it looks like they were shut down by cyber stalkers, following them around 
on the internet.
Kicked out of the Dome and banned from campus - shunned. Banned from FFL and 
stalked. This just doesn't appear to be much of a spiritual group. Now that's 
ironic!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well, at least FFL and Doug aren't like The Corner where there is a bouncer at 
the door with a prepared list of those who can't even get in the room. Talk 
about censorship and lack of free speech. In addition, you can't even read 
anything there unless you are on the list of approved individuals. And the guy 
who started that forum and those who are in attendance were the ones giving 
Doug a hard time about the lack of free speech at FFL. Too ironic to be 
believed. Luckily, since I know everyone over there and have heard what they 
have to say about a hundred times I'm not remotely interested in getting 
admitted. Some things just don't get better with age.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In Doug's defense, not one person has *ever* been banned from FFL for not 
meeting his definition of "spiritual".

The reason a few were banned, is that they lacked basic social skills, and were 
more interested in being a pain in the ass, vs. contributing anything of 
substance. Had nothing to do with content, and everything to do with not 
playing well with others, due to immaturity, a lack of manners, and no 
self-discipline.

Perhaps you could quit making shit up? Thanks in advance...///
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What you may not realize is that the way you're running this discussion forum 
is just like they run the Dome - banning and shunning people that don't meet 
your definition of spiritual.
You're obviously selling TM and using your position as FFL moderator to enforce 
guidelines "as a primary retributive tool to discipline a sales force."
Maybe you could set us straight by answering a few questions.
What is your exact position, if any, with MUM?
Are you a re-certified TM teacher in good standing with the TM Org?
Did you graduate from the university, and if not, why not?
Sometimes, you seem to be posting under various aliases. Why is that?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This kind of thing is just bad irony and publicity for what is going on here.  
It is plenty past time to just go and gut the Dome guidelines of the 
‘non-compete’ clauses particularly around the practice of jyotish.  Fairfield 
is full of people secretly promoting and practicing jyotish and giving 
readings.   Every time the Weekly Reader boldly publishes astrology from David 
Hawthorne it is a reminder of how he and his family in moving to Fairfield to 
be part of something larger were ridiculously judged and screwed by the 
movement. This is just plain bad for the energetics of the community here.  
Everyone gets the irony of going to Pat Hayward for consultation too.  Everyone 
at all levels of the ™ movement does it.  
It is quite time to stop using the Dome badge guidelines as weapon-ry against 
the community.  IThis has been Self-destructive all along.  The Dome badge 
guidelines need to be made much 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Shorthand, Jyotish Dates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

yoohoo, don't forget the solar eclipse on Sept 1...


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 7:00 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shorthand, Jyotish Dates
   
    I have never spent much time or money with jyotish as an ‘add-on’ to TM but 
Fairfield, Iowa has quite a lot of people trained up in jyotish and Western 
astrology.  You can walk in most any eatery and ask patrons sitting there to 
get a quick answer to, what is up in jyotish?  Some people are really into it.  
Yesterday I asked someone who was working on something else, just what is up 
with jyotish?
Here is the shorthand accounting:
Aug 18th Lunar Elcipse
Aug 24 Saturn and Mars @ 15degrees of Scorpio, Transit characterized by ANGER. 
There is a star in Scorpio that is the war star in combination with Mars etc.. 
makes it all particularly difficult. 
Aug 26 Jupiter Venus Mercury in Virgo  (something about Saraswati yoga, good to 
be meditating)
Aug 30 Mercury retrograde in Virgo  =Havoc in Communication
Sept 17  Mars Exits Scorpio,  the most difficult period passes 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish: Trump to win in November

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was fascinated by a Western astrologer who said that of Bernie, Trump and 
Hillary, only the latter has a connection to a point called Destiny of the 
World. It will be active for her around the time of the election. Just as it 
was when her husband was elected!


  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish: Trump to win in November
   
    That's interesting. I hope you are right. I don't know enough to evaluate 
it. I am also reading that there is some doubt about Hillary's exact birth 
time. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Feste,
Using traditional jyotish, the jyotishi is making an accurate reading of 
Hillary Clinton's chart.  However, since Clinton is now running the weak period 
of the Sun, she should not have done well against Bernie Sanders and should not 
have been the presidential candidate by the Democrats. 
Nonetheless, using the Nadi Jyotish techniques, we find a different picture of 
why Clinton has a stronger chart and would defeat Trump during election time.  
Specifically, Nadi Jyotish uses the sublords during the mahadasha as the 
indicator of things to come.  In Clinton's case, she is indeed running the 
mahadasha of the Sun, which is debilitated in Libra.  But the difference is the 
sublord of the Sun's placement in Libra which is Rahu.  And Rahu is placed in 
the 7th house and exalted in Taurus.
Further, her exalted Rahu means she can attract various sectors of the 
population, including minorities and the LGBT voters.
On the other hand, Trump is also running the mahadasha of Rahu, but the sublord 
is Jupiter which is placed in the third house, a weak placement for Jupiter.
Therefore, Clinton wins because of the strength of her sublord, which cannot be 
seen using traditional jyotish.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Alarming prediction from an astrologer who seems to know what he is talking 
about. Look at what Trump has going for him on Inauguration Day. See the 
details:
Jyotish and the 2016 Presidential Election
|  |
|  | Jyotish and the 2016 Presidential Election Namaste, Interest in the 
upcoming US elections has been unprecedented. The US Independence chart 
recently began the major cycle of Rahu; when Rahu occupies the 8th house, it's 
period will bring fear, phobias, and poor judgement; in a country's chart, the 
prevale... |  |
| View on www.prasannanjyotish.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Baba Vanga: Obama last POTUS?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Bulgarian word for president ends in eht, thus is masculine, unless there's 
an exception floating around somewhere. Thank you for info. And I hope we're 
not headed for robotic presidents...




  From: "he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Baba Vanga: Obama last POTUS?
   
    
Makes some sense; Wiki:

Gender[edit]
There are three grammatical genders in Bulgarian: masculine, feminine and 
neuter. The gender of the noun can largely be inferred from its ending: nouns 
ending in a consonant ("zero ending") are generally masculine (for example, 
град /ɡrat/ 'city', син /sin/ 'son', мъж /mɤʃ/'man'; those ending in –а/–я 
(-a/-ya) (жена /ʒɛˈna/ 'woman', дъщеря /dɐʃtɛrˈja/ 'daughter', улица /ˈulitsɐ/ 
'street') are normally feminine; and nouns ending in –е, –о are almost always 
neuter (дете /dɛtɛ/ 'child', езеро /ˈɛzɛro/ 'lake'), as are those rare words 
(usually loanwords) that end in –и, –у, and –ю (цунами /tsoˈnami/ 'tsunami', 
табу /tɐˈbu/ 'taboo', меню /mɛˈnju/ 'menu'). Perhaps the most significant 
exception from the above are the relatively numerous nouns that end in a 
consonant and yet are feminine: these comprise, firstly, a large group of nouns 
with zero ending expressing quality, degree or an abstraction, including all 
nouns ending on –ост/–ест -{ost/est} (мъдрост /ˈmɤdrost/'wisdom', низост 
/ˈnizost/ 'vileness', прелест /ˈprɛlɛst/ 'loveliness', болест /ˈbɔlɛst/ 
'sickness', любов /ljoˈbɔf/ 'love'), and secondly, a much smaller group of 
irregular nouns with zero ending which define tangible objects or concepts 
(кръв /krɤf/ 'blood', кост /kɔst/ 'bone', вечер /ˈvɛtʃɛr/ 'evening', нощ /nɔʃt/ 
'night'). There are also some commonly used words that end in a vowel and yet 
are masculine: баща 'father', дядо 'grandfather', чичо / вуйчо 'uncle', and 
others.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Baba Vanga: Obama last POTUS?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It could simply be that in her language, the word for president is masculine. 
Thus what she was saying is that Obama is the last male president.


  From: "he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Baba Vanga: Obama last POTUS?
   
    
Vanga reached news headlines after predicting, in 1989, what many interpret to 
be the 9/11 terror attacks.
Horror, horror! The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the 
steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be 
gushing.— Predicted in 1989 by Baba Vanga[32]
Vanga predicted that the 44th President of the United States will be African 
American, and the last US president.[33][34] Other of her predictions include 
that Europe will be transformed into an Islamic caliphate and the 
transformation will be complete in the year 2043, that communism will return to 
Europe and the rest of the world in 2076 and that there will be a war on Mars 
in 3005.[35] Due to the subjective nature of many predictions, many remain 
skeptical.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Frank Zappa was so left he was right

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

noozguru, my former mother-in-law made a similar remark about Ayn Rand, that 
she was so far to the right that she was actually on the left!


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 11:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Frank Zappa was so left he was right
   
    A documentary profile of the avant-garage musician reveals his political 
conservatism.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/frank-zappa-his-own-words-eat-question/Content?oid=22770669

Should be an interesting documentary. I didn't know Frank but met his 
son Ahmet once who was also in the same sector of the tech industry I 
was involved in.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Agamas more important and prior to Vedas in hindu tradition

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

emptyb, you may find this interesting. In exposition on Veda in human 
physiology, Rajaram writes that the science of Agama is part of Sthapatya Veda 
that deals with sculpture, specifically how to make a sculpture or statue come 
to life. He associates each of 28 individual agamas with 28 joints in the human 
body. For example, he finds a correlation between the right elbow and 
Prodgitagama. All of this discussion is located in the chapter VIII having to 
do with the Upa vedas.


  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Agamas more important and prior to Vedas in hindu 
tradition
   
    This is just Southern Tamil sewage asserting itself as "higher" than the 
Veda and more "pure" than anything accepted by those "northern brahmins".
 
Here is a good general description:

Agamas prescribe image worship in the place of rituals like Yajnas, mentioned 
in the Vedas. Agamas cover areas of worship inclusive of construction of the 
temples; the rules for installation and consecration of the deities; the 
methods of performing pujas in the temples; philosophy; recitation of mantras; 
worship involving figures or yantras; bhakti yoga; domestic rituals samskaras; 
rules of varnasrama-dharma and public festivals. Various Vaishnava traditions 
have different degree of adherence and various lists of texts included under 
the overall concept. The term Agama primarily means tradition; Agama represents 
the previously ordained practices generally held in regard (Agama 
loka-dharmanaam maryada purva-nirmita -Mbh 8.145.61). Agama is also that which 
helps to understand things correctly and comprehensively. Agama Shastras are 
not part of the Vedas. The Agamas do not derive their authority directly from 
the Vedas. They are Vedic in spirit and character and make use of Vedic mantras 
while performing the service. The Agama shastras are based in the belief that 
the divinity can be approached in two ways. It can be viewed as nishkala, 
formless – absolute; or as sakala having specific aspects. Nishkala is 
all-pervasive and is neither explicit nor is it visible. It is analogues, as 
the Agama texts explain, to the oil in the sesame-seed, fire in the fuel, 
butter in milk, and scent in flower. It is in human as antaryamin, the inner 
guide. It has no form and is not apprehended by sense organs, which includes 
mind. Sakala, on the other hand, is explicit energy like the fire that has 
emerged out of the fuel, oil extracted out of the seed, butter that floated to 
the surface after churning milk or like the fragrance that spreads and delights 
all. That energy can manifest itself in different forms and humans can approach 
those forms through appropriate means. The Agamas recognize that means as the 
archa, the worship methods unique to each form of energy-manifestation or 
divinity. The Vedas do not discuss about venerating the icons; though the icons 
(prathima or prathika) were known to be in use. Their preoccupation was more 
with the nature, abstract divinities and not with their physical 
representations. The Vedas did however employ a number of symbols, such as the 
wheel, umbrella, spear, noose, foot-prints, lotus, goad and vehicles etc. These 
symbols, in the later ages, became a part of the vocabulary of the iconography. 
There are also the Agama and Tantra ways of worship of the other gods, as 
Ganesa, Surya and Skanda. The Vaishnava theology of the Agama type is 
especially propounded in treatises like the The devotion with which the seeker 
of God tries to commune himself inwardly takes the shape of outer worship in 
the beginning with its usual traditions and regulations, requiring materials of 
worship such as flowers and offerings. There are three main divisions in Agama 
shastra, the Shaiva, the Shaktha and Vaishnava. The Shaiva branch of the Agama 
deals with the worship of the deity in the form of Shiva. This branch in turn 
has given rise to Shaiva Siddantha of the South and the Prathyabijnana School 
of Kashmir Shaivisim. The Shakta Agama prescribes the rules and tantric rituals 
for worship of Shakti, Devi the divine mother. The third one, Vaishanava Agama 
adores God as Vishnu the protector. This branch has two major divisions 
Vaikhanasa and Pancharatra. The latter in turn has a sub branch called Tantra 
Sara followed mainly by the Dvaita (Dualist) sects (i.e. Madhwas). Each Agama 
consists of four parts. The first part includes the philosophical and spiritual 
knowledge. The second part covers the yoga and the mental discipline. The third 
part specifies rules for the construction of temples and for sculpting and 
carving the figures of deities for worship in the temples. The fourth part of 
the Agamas includes rules pertaining to the observances of religious rites, 
rituals, and festivals. Agama is essentially a tradition and Tantra is a 
technique; but 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free will an illusion?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

noozguru, this reminds me of something Gangaji says that I really like. She 
says that there is no doer. BUT, if you think there's a doer and you're it, 
then it's better if you do what you think is right. 


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: ff...@yahoogroups.com; "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
 
 Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 5:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free will an illusion?
   
    Free will could all be an illusion, scientists suggest after study that 
shows choice could just be the brain tricking itself
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/free-will-could-all-be-an-illusion-scientists-suggest-after-study-that-shows-choice-could-just-be-a7008181.html

Told ya so. Most likely you are following a script written at the 
inception of the universe. But don't get depressed, just live your live 
as if you have free will. What difference will it make?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well, it's ridiculous that his team never prepped him on the abortion issue. 
Jeez, it's the hot button of American politics.
Actually HuffPost had a very thorough article about Trump and abortion. It 
noted that pro-lifers also disagreed with what Trump said.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
   
    Share, Trump's comment about *punishing* women who have abortions ,as I 
said earlier, was meant to be *pandering* to conservatives and evangelicals 
because he thought that is what they wanted to hear. It became clear to him 
later that that is not how conservatives and evangelicals think, so he back 
peddled. I seriously doubt that he ever would have considered such a thing 
since he *used* to be pro choice. Well, Pro- life doesn't go along with that 
either. However I'll bet a dime to a doughnut hole that publications like 
Huffington Post and Saloon.com etc.are desperately trying to dig up some 
comment, some where, to indicate that is exactly what pro-lifers believe.


  From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
    The thing is, the abortion issue is so emotionally charged for so many 
people that we aren't even aware of our strong feelings about it. I've felt 
positive about Trump until I read that "punishment" comment wrt abortion. My 
reaction, which took me unawares, was instantaneous and irrevocable. And, for 
me, his backpedaling made it worse. Melania ignoring the comment made it worse. 
All in all, a PR nightmare. And I think he knows it.  


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 12:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
    I think what she said was that "if you attack him, he will hit back 10 
*times* harder."  She was probably talking about his approach to foreign 
policy.  He basically backed off on the abortion comment because he, himself, 
didn't even mean what he said. One of his major limitations is that his 
vocabulary is very limited. I believe, he was basically trying to articulate 
the emotion of how he thinks so many men *feel* about women who get 
pregnant—all their fault.  He has brought Melania in to help smooth the waters 
with respect to that major gaff—by her presence as a supportive wife and 
attractive female.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Plus I think Melania made it worse when she commented that he treats everyone 
equally, meaning he'd hit back 10% harder. 

Because so many people have been thinking about his abortion comment. When I 
heard hers, it sounded like he'd hit 10% harder wrt a woman who'd had an 
abortion! So easy to combine "punishment" with 10% harder.

And of course, this combining also happens more easily because Melania didn't 
address the abortion comment directly. 

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
 
 I liked Cruz's explanation better. Cruz explained that since Trump really is a 
New York liberal, he thinks that is how conservatives think, not knowing any 
better, he thought he was pandering to conservative and evangelical voters. 
Rush Limbaugh pretty much nailed it the day after Trump said it.


   From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

 I thought his lowest point occurred when he said that women who get illegal 
abortions should be punished. As if having an abortion for most women, isn't 
bad enough! I bet he was trying to court the Tea Party fanatics.  




   From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-trump-says-hell-fund-wall-by-cutting-remittances/2016/04/05/7330b7bc-fb23-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html






  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's funny about Trump leaning left and Hillary leaning right, never thought 
of it that way. 

Bernie vs. Trump would be a good contest. But Bernie vs. Cruz would in some 
ways be even more fun. 

If it's Hillary vs. Cruz, she'll eat him alive! Hillary vs. Trump...ugh, it'll 
be a long, tedious summer! 




  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
   
 Trump will say what he figures conservatives want to hear. Not that he 
would do any of these things.  Analysts have pointed out that he has leaned 
more liberal in the past.
 
 Similarly Hillary will say whatever she thinks liberals will want to hear.  
But she's actually more right leaning.
 
 Bernie says what he's been saying for years.  For some things he and Trump are 
on the same page.  Now that would  be a very interesting election!
 
 On 04/05/2016 10:15 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     Plus I think Melania made it worse when she commented that he treats 
everyone equally, meaning he'd hit back 10% harder. 
  
  Because so many people have been thinking about his abortion comment. When I 
heard hers, it sounded like he'd hit 10% harder wrt a woman who'd had an 
abortion! So easy to combine "punishment" with 10% harder.
  
  And of course, this combining also happens more easily because Melania didn't 
address the abortion comment directly.  
 
From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
    I liked Cruz's explanation better. Cruz explained that since Trump 
really is a  New York liberal, he thinks that is how conservatives think, not 
knowing any better, he thought he was  pandering to conservative and 
evangelical voters. Rush Limbaugh pretty much nailed it the day after Trump 
said it.
  
 
  From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
     I thought his lowest point  occurred when he said that women who get  
illegal abortions  should be punished. As if having an  abortion for most 
women,  isn't bad enough! I bet he was trying  to court the Tea Party fanatics. 
 
  
  
  
 
  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:18  AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy  Stoop Any Lower?
  
    
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-trump-says-hell-fund-wall-by-cutting-remittances/2016/04/05/7330b7bc-fb23-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html
  
 
   
 

 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The thing is, the abortion issue is so emotionally charged for so many people 
that we aren't even aware of our strong feelings about it. I've felt positive 
about Trump until I read that "punishment" comment wrt abortion. My reaction, 
which took me unawares, was instantaneous and irrevocable. And, for me, his 
backpedaling made it worse. Melania ignoring the comment made it worse. All in 
all, a PR nightmare. And I think he knows it.  


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 12:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
   
    I think what she said was that "if you attack him, he will hit back 10 
*times* harder."  She was probably talking about his approach to foreign 
policy.  He basically backed off on the abortion comment because he, himself, 
didn't even mean what he said. One of his major limitations is that his 
vocabulary is very limited. I believe, he was basically trying to articulate 
the emotion of how he thinks so many men *feel* about women who get 
pregnant—all their fault.  He has brought Melania in to help smooth the waters 
with respect to that major gaff—by her presence as a supportive wife and 
attractive female.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Plus I think Melania made it worse when she commented that he treats everyone 
equally, meaning he'd hit back 10% harder. 

Because so many people have been thinking about his abortion comment. When I 
heard hers, it sounded like he'd hit 10% harder wrt a woman who'd had an 
abortion! So easy to combine "punishment" with 10% harder.

And of course, this combining also happens more easily because Melania didn't 
address the abortion comment directly. 

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
 
 I liked Cruz's explanation better. Cruz explained that since Trump really is a 
New York liberal, he thinks that is how conservatives think, not knowing any 
better, he thought he was pandering to conservative and evangelical voters. 
Rush Limbaugh pretty much nailed it the day after Trump said it.


   From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

 I thought his lowest point occurred when he said that women who get illegal 
abortions should be punished. As if having an abortion for most women, isn't 
bad enough! I bet he was trying to court the Tea Party fanatics.  




   From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-trump-says-hell-fund-wall-by-cutting-remittances/2016/04/05/7330b7bc-fb23-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Plus I think Melania made it worse when she commented that he treats everyone 
equally, meaning he'd hit back 10% harder. 

Because so many people have been thinking about his abortion comment. When I 
heard hers, it sounded like he'd hit 10% harder wrt a woman who'd had an 
abortion! So easy to combine "punishment" with 10% harder.

And of course, this combining also happens more easily because Melania didn't 
address the abortion comment directly. 

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
   
    I liked Cruz's explanation better. Cruz explained that since Trump really 
is a New York liberal, he thinks that is how conservatives think, not knowing 
any better, he thought he was pandering to conservative and evangelical voters. 
Rush Limbaugh pretty much nailed it the day after Trump said it.


      From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
    I thought his lowest point occurred when he said that women who get illegal 
abortions should be punished. As if having an abortion for most women, isn't 
bad enough! I bet he was trying to court the Tea Party fanatics.  




  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
  
    
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-trump-says-hell-fund-wall-by-cutting-remittances/2016/04/05/7330b7bc-fb23-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html
  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I thought his lowest point occurred when he said that women who get illegal 
abortions should be punished. As if having an abortion for most women, isn't 
bad enough! I bet he was trying to court the Tea Party fanatics.  




  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can This Guy Stoop Any Lower?
   
    
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-trump-says-hell-fund-wall-by-cutting-remittances/2016/04/05/7330b7bc-fb23-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary Who?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

noozguru, hmmm, my guess is Trump realizes he can beat Hillary but isn't so 
sure about beating Bernie. So he's going full court press against Bernie now, 
maybe to slow Bernie's momentum, distract him, etc. 

Meanwhile, at least one well known jyotishi has said Trump will be the next 
president, having compared Trump's chart to that of the US.


  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Freedom of Speech ; 
"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:42 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hillary Who?
   
    Looks like loose cannon Donald Trump is making this election between him 
and Bernie. :-D
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-violence_us_56e56a6fe4b0860f99d94f22

Gonna be a long hot summer.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Community Meeting w/ John Hagelin Can U share 4 us some salient points of the talk,PLEASE!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agree with Doug that it was a fun presentation. Here are some notes I sent to 
friends:
Very well attended. Dalby packed and they had overflow in a second room too.
Insired by an event that occurred on Sept 9 2015. Both LIGO facilities, one in 
Louisiana and one in Washington state, received evidence of a gravitational 
wave, including a sound. (You can google LIGO.)
John called it a chirp but to me it sounded more like a gulp LOL!
Caused by the mergence of 2 black holes with each other a very long time ago 
(really big number I failed to record.). That released more energy than 1 
billion trillion suns, which is how many we have in our known universe. 
(Definitely a presentation packed with big numbers!)

Einstein had predicted gravitational waves but said we'd probably never be able 
to detect one because the conditions needed to create them are so extreme.
One of my favorite points is that though a black hole emits no light or info, 
everything that goes into it, is remembered. Totally cool!

  From: "William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Community Meeting w/ John Hagelin Can U share 
4 us some salient points of the talk,PLEASE!
   
    


-Original Message-
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
To: FairfieldLife 
Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2016 8:40 am
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Community Meeting w/ John Hagelin Today



Hagelin’s talk was to a packed room.  It was fun, he is fun. He is a good 
lecturer/teacher/professor.  It was a prepared lecture presentation with really 
good powerpoint slide graphics.  Went through Einstein and came forward to the 
present gravitational fields.  Was personable and very well taught.   
A lot of the old community here came out for it.  I don’t think it was  
recorded on video. He’ll probably record something later.  He had some really 
funny quips throughout that were inside jokes with us as a community   
A remarkable note about this scheduled lecture was that people did not need a 
Dome badge at all to get in.  In fact the presentation was advertised widely 
through local media for anyone to come.  Someone went through the local 
factories and put up posters too.  It was mostly ‘rus who came.  I did see one 
factory tough there.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Please can you post a video of this talk, if there is one?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


| TONIGHT!! 

Tuesday night March 8th

Dalby Hall - 7:45 PM

A Special Presentation by

Dr. John Hagelin

The Discovery of Gravitational Waves...

And what they mean for you!

 |




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Donald Trump Has Shakti Yoga

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Koch bros. destroyed the Republican Party when they stopped being 
Libertarians and began kowtowing to the Tea Party. Then the Tea Party continued 
the destruction. 


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 2:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Donald Trump Has Shakti Yoga
   
    Well... he's destroying the Republican party right now. If he wins the 
nomination fair and square, Hillary wins. If he loses and feels cheated and 
then runs as third party for revenge, Hillary wins.


  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 2:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Donald Trump Has Shakti Yoga
  
    According to jyotish texts, this is a yoga giving the individual tremendous 
power to do good or evil.  Hitler, Mussulini and Albert Einstein had this 
"Shakti".  IMO, Trump can destroy disorder, terrorists and foreign governments. 
 But he can destroy the American government  and religions as well, by the 
reactions that he gets from various groups in the country.  As such, he is a 
very dangerous man  for America and the world.
The only factor that can stop him now is the transit of Saturn called 
"sade-sati", which can bring a downfall to his gain of power.  He is in the 
middle of this transit which will last for another four years.
  I can describe these yogas in more detail if anyone is interested.
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And for all three of these reasons, I would never run for public office!
A few weeks ago I googled on Trump/Koch bros. Found a fascinating article about 
how the Koch bros. who were orignally Libertarian, sold out to the Tea Party. I 
think Trump is showing the Kochs and the Republicans how wrong they have been 
to let the Tea Party take over. For mainly this, I'm grateful to him.

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
   
    Share, you are a woman in this life and a smart one, a fighter.  :)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What you say is very logical and makes a lot of sense. However, most people 
operate from a different place than logic and sense, esp when it comes to 
politics which is so much about perception and unconscious motivations, even 
primal ones.
My guess is most Americans don't like a smart woman. And they certainly don't 
like a smart woman who's also a "fighter." They like women who are like Sanders 
wife, very comforting and motherly. Or Melania who's gorgeous and supportive of 
her family. Again, these are very primal currents in the human psyche.

Another factor which plays out on the subliminal level, is that Hillary looks 
like a Republican wife! Or Margaret Thatcher! As it is, we live in a very 
visual culture and these cues operate on very unconscious levels. Over and over 
and over again.  


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
 
 I see it oppositely to you.  Hillary could win and she could beat Trump.  She 
is a fighter—one should never underestimate the power of woman of intention 
when she sets her mind to something. Hillary is a survivor and she is 
intelligent and knowledgable and experienced and dedicated.  She is well spoken 
and she's thoughtful. She missteps here and there and because her every facial 
expression is being subjected to negative scrutiny and pronouncement and sexist 
attack, she suffers in the media.  Her tone is sometimes off and her slogan and 
logo aren't the best.  But, let us remember we aren't electing a slogan or a 
logo.  I think she needs to blow by and play past the accusations and just 
laugh at the jokesters and let these things roll off her back a bit more.  Stay 
focused on the positive message exclusively and the depth and intelligence she 
would bring to the White House. Relax, be herself and go for it.  Bernie's 
better at just letting it all hang out.  He doesn't apologize for himself and 
neither does Trump.  She needs to stop explaining and start campaigning with 
unbounded enthusiasm everywhere she goes, making sure that her message is not 
about herself, but about the people.  I think it is, honestly, but she needs to 
change her campaign message and her delivery and her demeanor some and stay on 
point. "Illegitimum non carborundum." She's breaking new ground.   
Bernie is primarily an activist and a good one who communicates his message 
clearly, but all his great ideas are underwritten by his single-minded focus 
(comes out in every one of his speeches no matter what the topic) to take down 
and disable the "wealth structure" and "make them pay." It's global, not 
limited to the U.S. and he won't be able to start making inroads into it 
"locally" (U.S.) without a major and sustained "revolution" on the part of the 
American people.  We aren't there, we aren't even close.  He should throw his 
support behind Hillary, when the time comes.  And then, yes, keep the ball 
rolling with activism at the ground level, for the votes for our elected 
representatives, for continuing to educate the masses and the millennials that 
think he's a cutie pie.      


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

But this is how the American people feel. They are fed up with Congress. 

Both Sanders and Trump are radicals, albeit at opposite ends of a spectrum. 
This is what the American people want now, a radical, an outsider, etc. They 
are fed up with politicians, esp professional ones like Hillary. I agree. She 
could never beat Trump.
But, if she were to support Bernie...the Democrats would have a real chance to 
win.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

 Again, that sounds very familiar. Screw congress, I'll do it myself!


   From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wow! In this case, she should do all she can to help the Democratic Party by 
throwing her support behind Bernie.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
   
    Wrong Anne. Anybody but Hillary or an avowed socialist. Besides, Hillary is 
under some serious investigation by the FBI right now. One hundred and fifty 
FBI agents are investigating her right now and a federal judge wants her 
server. She didn't delete 30,000 e-mails of yoga routines and wedding plans. 
That's called *obstruction of justice*. Obama can't pardon her because she 
hasn't been tried and convicted and if he refuses to indict her after an FBI 
recommendation to, all hell will break loose.


  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
  
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

But this is how the American people feel. They are fed up with Congress. 

Both Sanders and Trump are radicals, albeit at opposite ends of a spectrum. 
This is what the American people want now, a radical, an outsider, etc. They 
are fed up with politicians, esp professional ones like Hillary. I agree. She 
could never beat Trump.
But, if she were to support Bernie...the Democrats would have a real chance to 
win.

This will never happen. Hillary will be our next President. Bernie scares too 
many who are irrationally afraid of "socialists" and there are not enough crazy 
Republicans to secure Trump as the next White House resident - I can see it 
now; everything done in Rococo style with plenty of dripping gold furniture and 
fixtures.

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
 
 Again, that sounds very familiar. Screw congress, I'll do it myself!


   From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

 Only familiar in the sense that this is how he's operated for a long time and 
he's honed his playground charisma to be the biggest and the best in the school 
yard.  I can just see him berating Congress now"you guys are awkward 
foolsliars, all of you.  Wimps, weak.  I bet you couldn't pass a bill if 
you tried.  The polls say people like me, by the way, don't forget.  I'll make 
sure that all of you that vote against me will be thrown out of Congress...see 
those guys in black at the back; they wear their sunglasses at night.  Heck, 
I'll do it myself.  I don't need you.  I have a billion dollars. I can run this 
country by myself.  I'm comin' for you, don't forget.  I'll sue the pants off 
of you.  I have a lot of lawyers, friends in high places in penthouses.  Watch 
your back and vote the way you know is right, my way or the highway."  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well if Trump has any problems with congress, he can just call them racists and 
any other  problems he has , he can just blame his predecessor. Sound familiar?


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

 Bernie and Trump may both be guilty of promising things they won't be able to 
deliver.  Trump seems to have forgotten about Congress all together.  He just 
thinks he's going to roll on in to the White House and start waving his gold 
plated trumpet and magically, the economy will rebuild (he does build things 
right?) and Obamacare will go away and immigrants will return in droves to 
their parent countries voluntarily.  All on Day 1.  What a guy.  
Bernie's education plan is right on the money, imho.  Have you looked at the 
particulars?  I like it.  However, he's bound and determined to get it and 
everything else that I'm for from a source that has no on-switch at the current 
time and won't in the near future. "  The cost of this $75 billion a year plan 
is fully paid for by imposing a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street 
speculators who nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago. "


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yeah, Bernie definitely offers more *free* stuff than Hillary. Bernsie wants to 
offer *free* higher education to all. Hillary just wants you to pay lower 
interest rates on your student loans. If you were a student, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He SOUNDS radical which is mainly what will influence most voters at this time 
in history. Few will go hunting down his past support of liberal causes, etc. 
As for being a wheeler dealer, I've heard that said about LBJ. 
People feel safe with a winner. As I said to Emily, this whole business of 
voting comes from very primal places in the psyche. Logic and reason have 
little to do with it for many voters.
  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
   
    Trump isn't radical. Just sounds that way because he comes off as an 
American version of Benito Mussolini. He's going to *make the trains run on 
time* kind of guy. He has supported a lot of liberal causes in the past and I 
doubt he has really changed. He is far more liberal than conservative but he 
knows how to *sell* himself.
What I think makes this guy *dangerous* is how he will govern. He says he has 
mastered the *art of the deal* and that is how he will handle congress. "Give 
me what I want as a Republican or I'll give the Democrats what they want and 
make Republicans sorry that they didn't work with me". Democrats will be 
chomping at the bit to stick it to Republicans. This will work both ways, just 
depends on who has the majority in congress. He cares more about *winning* than 
conservative or liberal principals.



      From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
  
    But this is how the American people feel. They are fed up with Congress. 

Both Sanders and Trump are radicals, albeit at opposite ends of a spectrum. 
This is what the American people want now, a radical, an outsider, etc. They 
are fed up with politicians, esp professional ones like Hillary. I agree. She 
could never beat Trump.
But, if she were to support Bernie...the Democrats would have a real chance to 
win.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
  
    Again, that sounds very familiar. Screw congress, I'll do it myself!


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
  
    Only familiar in the sense that this is how he's operated for a long time 
and he's honed his playground charisma to be the biggest and the best in the 
school yard.  I can just see him berating Congress now"you guys are awkward 
foolsliars, all of you.  Wimps, weak.  I bet you couldn't pass a bill if 
you tried.  The polls say people like me, by the way, don't forget.  I'll make 
sure that all of you that vote against me will be thrown out of Congress...see 
those guys in black at the back; they wear their sunglasses at night.  Heck, 
I'll do it myself.  I don't need you.  I have a billion dollars. I can run this 
country by myself.  I'm comin' for you, don't forget.  I'll sue the pants off 
of you.  I have a lot of lawyers, friends in high places in penthouses.  Watch 
your back and vote the way you know is right, my way or the highway."  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Well if Trump has any problems with congress, he can just call them racists and 
any other  problems he has , he can just blame his predecessor. Sound familiar?


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
 
 Bernie and Trump may both be guilty of promising things they won't be able to 
deliver.  Trump seems to have forgotten about Congress all together.  He just 
thinks he's going to roll on in to the White House and start waving his gold 
plated trumpet and magically, the economy will rebuild (he does build things 
right?) and Obamacare will go away and immigrants will return in droves to 
their parent countries voluntarily.  All on Day 1.  What a guy.  
Bernie's education plan is right on the money, imho.  Have you looked at the 
particulars?  I like it.  However, he's bound and determined to get it and 
everything else that I'm for from a source that has no on-switch at the current 
time and won't in the near future. &q

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What you say is very logical and makes a lot of sense. However, most people 
operate from a different place than logic and sense, esp when it comes to 
politics which is so much about perception and unconscious motivations, even 
primal ones.
My guess is most Americans don't like a smart woman. And they certainly don't 
like a smart woman who's also a "fighter." They like women who are like Sanders 
wife, very comforting and motherly. Or Melania who's gorgeous and supportive of 
her family. Again, these are very primal currents in the human psyche.

Another factor which plays out on the subliminal level, is that Hillary looks 
like a Republican wife! Or Margaret Thatcher! As it is, we live in a very 
visual culture and these cues operate on very unconscious levels. Over and over 
and over again.  


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
   
    I see it oppositely to you.  Hillary could win and she could beat Trump.  
She is a fighter—one should never underestimate the power of woman of intention 
when she sets her mind to something. Hillary is a survivor and she is 
intelligent and knowledgable and experienced and dedicated.  She is well spoken 
and she's thoughtful. She missteps here and there and because her every facial 
expression is being subjected to negative scrutiny and pronouncement and sexist 
attack, she suffers in the media.  Her tone is sometimes off and her slogan and 
logo aren't the best.  But, let us remember we aren't electing a slogan or a 
logo.  I think she needs to blow by and play past the accusations and just 
laugh at the jokesters and let these things roll off her back a bit more.  Stay 
focused on the positive message exclusively and the depth and intelligence she 
would bring to the White House. Relax, be herself and go for it.  Bernie's 
better at just letting it all hang out.  He doesn't apologize for himself and 
neither does Trump.  She needs to stop explaining and start campaigning with 
unbounded enthusiasm everywhere she goes, making sure that her message is not 
about herself, but about the people.  I think it is, honestly, but she needs to 
change her campaign message and her delivery and her demeanor some and stay on 
point. "Illegitimum non carborundum." She's breaking new ground.   
Bernie is primarily an activist and a good one who communicates his message 
clearly, but all his great ideas are underwritten by his single-minded focus 
(comes out in every one of his speeches no matter what the topic) to take down 
and disable the "wealth structure" and "make them pay." It's global, not 
limited to the U.S. and he won't be able to start making inroads into it 
"locally" (U.S.) without a major and sustained "revolution" on the part of the 
American people.  We aren't there, we aren't even close.  He should throw his 
support behind Hillary, when the time comes.  And then, yes, keep the ball 
rolling with activism at the ground level, for the votes for our elected 
representatives, for continuing to educate the masses and the millennials that 
think he's a cutie pie.      


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

But this is how the American people feel. They are fed up with Congress. 

Both Sanders and Trump are radicals, albeit at opposite ends of a spectrum. 
This is what the American people want now, a radical, an outsider, etc. They 
are fed up with politicians, esp professional ones like Hillary. I agree. She 
could never beat Trump.
But, if she were to support Bernie...the Democrats would have a real chance to 
win.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
 
 Again, that sounds very familiar. Screw congress, I'll do it myself!


   From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

 Only familiar in the sense that this is how he's operated for a long time and 
he's honed his playground charisma to be the biggest and the best in the school 
yard.  I can just see him berating Congress now"you guys are awkward 
foolsliars, all of you.  Wimps, weak.  I bet you couldn't pass a bill if 
you tried.  The polls say people like me, by the way, don't forget.  I'll make 
sure that all of you that vote against me will be thrown out of Congress...see 
those guys in black at the back; they wear their sunglasses at night.  Heck, 
I'll do it myself.  I don't need you.  I have a billion dollars. I can run this 
country by myself.  I'm comin' for you, don't forget.  I'll sue the pants off 
of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But this is how the American people feel. They are fed up with Congress. 

Both Sanders and Trump are radicals, albeit at opposite ends of a spectrum. 
This is what the American people want now, a radical, an outsider, etc. They 
are fed up with politicians, esp professional ones like Hillary. I agree. She 
could never beat Trump.
But, if she were to support Bernie...the Democrats would have a real chance to 
win.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
   
    Again, that sounds very familiar. Screw congress, I'll do it myself!


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
  
    Only familiar in the sense that this is how he's operated for a long time 
and he's honed his playground charisma to be the biggest and the best in the 
school yard.  I can just see him berating Congress now"you guys are awkward 
foolsliars, all of you.  Wimps, weak.  I bet you couldn't pass a bill if 
you tried.  The polls say people like me, by the way, don't forget.  I'll make 
sure that all of you that vote against me will be thrown out of Congress...see 
those guys in black at the back; they wear their sunglasses at night.  Heck, 
I'll do it myself.  I don't need you.  I have a billion dollars. I can run this 
country by myself.  I'm comin' for you, don't forget.  I'll sue the pants off 
of you.  I have a lot of lawyers, friends in high places in penthouses.  Watch 
your back and vote the way you know is right, my way or the highway."  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well if Trump has any problems with congress, he can just call them racists and 
any other  problems he has , he can just blame his predecessor. Sound familiar?


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article
 
 Bernie and Trump may both be guilty of promising things they won't be able to 
deliver.  Trump seems to have forgotten about Congress all together.  He just 
thinks he's going to roll on in to the White House and start waving his gold 
plated trumpet and magically, the economy will rebuild (he does build things 
right?) and Obamacare will go away and immigrants will return in droves to 
their parent countries voluntarily.  All on Day 1.  What a guy.  
Bernie's education plan is right on the money, imho.  Have you looked at the 
particulars?  I like it.  However, he's bound and determined to get it and 
everything else that I'm for from a source that has no on-switch at the current 
time and won't in the near future. "  The cost of this $75 billion a year plan 
is fully paid for by imposing a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street 
speculators who nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago. "


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yeah, Bernie definitely offers more *free* stuff than Hillary. Bernsie wants to 
offer *free* higher education to all. Hillary just wants you to pay lower 
interest rates on your student loans. If you were a student, who would you vote 
for?
When the people discover that they can vote themselves money, that will herald 
the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin.
  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: very compelling article

 You know, he makes some excellent points.  It is true that Hillary is not a 
great campaigner and she gets defensive, which doesn't come across well all the 
time.  Politically, neither her logo or her slogan say it's about the people.  
They say it's about her.  It is true that Trump will do everything he can to 
lynch her and he won't let up.  If she defends, she loses.  He will continue to 
play on people's fear and she will be facing plenty of sexism, the kind that 
isn't talked about, but that surely exists in the minds of both men and women.  
The undermining has already started and has been quite effective.  I will agree 
that the more interesting match that would force us to choose ideologically 
would be a Sanders/Trump choice.  SuperTuesday is around the corner.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This is a very well argued article saying that Clinton cannot beat Trump but 
Sanders can. 

Unless the Democrats Run Sanders, A Trump Nomination Means a Trump Presidency | 
Current Affairs
|  |
|  | |  | Unless the Democrats Run Sanders, A Trump Nominati... With 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa caucus bulletins

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This morning I spoke with a guy who was caucusing at the county courthouse last 
night. It said it was packed with people trailing into the lobby and down the 
stairs. He figured it would have been impossible to get an accurate count in 
such circumstances.  

 

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa caucus bulletins
   
    The last I saw was, Bernsie was behind by about 5  votes. I think recounts 
are *out* when it comes to caucuses.

 

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 9:41 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa caucus bulletins
  
    In Iowa as a whole, Bernie's behind Hillary by only 3/10 of a percentage 
point (49.6 to 49.9), according to the NYTimes this morning. Given the way 
delegates are allocated, this likely means the two will end up with the same 
number of Iowa delegates at the convention.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Jefferson County, which includes Fairfield, went 73% for Sanders, 27% for 
Clinton -- an amazing result, and easily Bernie's biggest victory margin in 
Iowa. Nothing else came close. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As of midnight:
AP projects Cruz beats Trump, 27.7% to 24.3%. Rubio is third with 23.1%.
Clinton and Sanders are neck-and-neck, with Clinton very slightly ahead.
O'Malley and Huckabee have suspended their campaigns.  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bernie Sanders at MUM > Maharishi Univertsity of Management

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

LOL, the funny thing is I know 2 of the people in the photo...and they don't 
even practice TM anymore!
All in all, unresearched journalism and inaccurate subject line.

 

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bernie Sanders at MUM > Maharishi Univertsity of 
Management
   
    Om,the bell (of invincibility?) tolls for integrity.. OldTM'ers quite 
evidently are masters of spin, the Drs of spin. Whocrafted that subject line 
and sent it out? 
Share writes:

Bernie was at the convention center near the town square. He wasn't on the MUM 
campus.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

classic movement spin,or campaign spin?Who sent this subject line?Is this being 
forwarded around?

Did Bernie visit MUM? At all? Before or after he was at the Fairfield Arts and 
Convention Center?Bernie drove by MUM possibly.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The transcendental meditationists 
who turned an Iowa farm town into a Bernie base
The transcendental meditationists who turned an Iowa farm town into a Bernie 
base

|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| The transcendental meditationists who turned an Iowa far...Fairfield, the 
enlightenment capital of southeast Iowa, is backing Sen. Sanders in the race 
for the Democratic presidential nomination. |
|  |
| View on www.washingtonpos... | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

With the caucuses just days away, this unlikely mecca forpractitioners of 
Transcendental Meditation is getting a jolt ofactivity. There have been visits 
from Hillary Clinton, as well as HUDSecretary Julián Castro, her 
who-knows-maybe potential running mate. TedCruz drew a big crowd to the small 
convention center here on a Tuesdaynight.But it was Bernie Sanders whosevisit 
Thursday got the most buzz about town — and it’s he who mightbenefit most from 
the Maharishi effect.“Herepresents a higher level of cognitive development,” 
said Sam Farling, avolunteer organizer here for Sanders. “Hillary Clinton may 
have thealmost militaristic level of organizing — but we have the passion.” 

PLS READ MORE, ITS AN PHANTASTIC ARTICLE 
OF THE WASHINGTON POST.
JUST ENJOY .
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders at MUM > Maharishi Univertsity of Management

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bernie was at the convention center near the town square. He wasn't on the MUM 
campus.

 

  From: "email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:41 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders at MUM > Maharishi Univertsity of 
Management
   
    The transcendental meditationists 
who turned an Iowa farm town into a Bernie base
The transcendental meditationists who turned an Iowa farm town into a Bernie 
base

|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| The transcendental meditationists who turned an Iowa far...Fairfield, the 
enlightenment capital of southeast Iowa, is backing Sen. Sanders in the race 
for the Democratic presidential nomination. |
|  |
| View on www.washingtonpos... | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

With the caucuses just days away, this unlikely mecca for practitioners of 
Transcendental Meditation is getting a jolt of activity. There have been visits 
from Hillary Clinton, as well as HUD Secretary Julián Castro, her 
who-knows-maybe potential running mate. Ted Cruz drew a big crowd to the small 
convention center here on a Tuesday night.  But it was Bernie Sanders whose 
visit Thursday got the most buzz about town — and it’s he who might benefit 
most from the Maharishi effect. “He represents a higher level of cognitive 
development,” said Sam Farling, a volunteer organizer here for Sanders. 
“Hillary Clinton may have the almost militaristic level of organizing — but we 
have the passion.” 

PLS READ MORE, ITS AN PHANTASTIC ARTICLE 
OF THE WASHINGTON POST.
JUST ENJOY .
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mike, thanks so much for your insights, very helpful. 

I think the Tea Party totally screwed up the Republican Party and I also think 
Trump, for that situation, is just what the doctor ordered.
Why does the RP hate Cruz? Just because he questions them? Or something more 
specific?

 

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump
   
    It really is a dilemma isn't it. Trump is not a true conservative but a 
populist. Trump is attracting people from all over the place. Many undecideds, 
which is what Republicans have been after for years. Yet, they don't trust the 
guy with his *New York* values which are ultra liberal. He is to the left of 
most establishment Republicans but to the right of any Democrat, which is why I 
think moderate(liberal) Republicans are starting to find him a bit more 
acceptable. Ether him or Cruz, and that blows the mind of establishment 
Republicans. Cruz just won't play ball with his *superiors* and that really 
pisses them off! As long as the race is between the two, the Republican 
establishment will eventually line up behind Trump whether they like him or not 
because they hate Cruz.

 

   

   From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 7:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump
  
    Why establishment conservatives are on the rally against Trump.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A FFL Survey Query, Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

first attended MIU in 1975, for one year, then onto MIU staff for ~ 
yearattended MUM 1991-92, MA in SCIattended MUM 92-95, MS in Psychology
lived in FF on and off from 1975 to 1980returned to FF in 1988 and have lived 
here ever since, first 14 years on campus, moved off campus in Sept 2002


 

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:08 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A FFL Survey Query, Post Count
   
    Ever attended MIU/MUM? Or as a meditator lived in Fairfield, 
Ia?Visited?What time-frame?

awoelflebater writes, Attended MIU from 1975-1980. Left for two years and came 
back for two more years from 1982-1984.

authfriend writes:I did my two-week "flying block" at MIU/MUM in summer 1984 (I 
think it was).
Bhairitu writes: As I have mentioned many times on FFL, I visited "Sonoma in 
the Corn Fields" (Fairfield), once in the late 1990s for a conference.  However 
in 1982 I had planned to join friends who moved to Fairfield but plans got 
changed.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, for the RSVP.
-JaiGuruYou

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Surveying, How many of you reading or writing here at FFL have been to 
Fairfield, Iowa?As a meditator?
Otherwise, I am wanting to survey some policy things with you for input, but 
first I amcurious as how many here reading FFL actually have been to Fairfield, 
Iowa and meditated in Fairfield, Iowa?..at some point in your lives? ?  RSVP?  
Attended MIU from 1975-1980. Left for two years and came back for two more 
years from 1982-1984.
For the shy or anonymous readers who are not members here with posting 
privileges you too can respond to this survey with an e-mail to the owner 
listed at the bottom of the  FFL home page. 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info In surveying, I would be 
glad to hear from you privately, even hear your story with TM.   
Thanks, -JaiGuruYou

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Nanobots in our Brains

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But JR, the world is also Brahman. What's not to be attached to?! Also, 
shouldn't we send lovingkindness to Rahu too? (-:

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Nanobots in our Brains
   
 People have enough problem with robots running around in the outside world 
so they definitely don't want their coursing through their veins. 
 
 On 10/01/2015 10:21 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Kurzweil appears to be trying to reach enlightenment by using high 
technology.  With these nanobots, humans could instead become more attached to 
the world since high technology is represented by Rahu in jyotish terminology.
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
  Ray Kurzweil is a nutcase which is how fellow scientists view him.  He 
designed a good synth but that's about all.  He's afraid of death but to my 
knowledge has never looked into kaya kalpa which is the Indian method of 
slowing aging  (and very simple).  Back in the 1950s scientists like this were 
called "eggheads."
 
 
 On 10/01/2015 10:29 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
  
    Ray Kurzweil thinks they can make us "Godlike".  What do you think? 
  RayKurzweil: Tiny Robots In Our Brains Will Make Us 'Godlike'
   
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[FairfieldLife] Saturn, Jupiter and 5 more years of...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

...loss of individual rights. At least according to this article:
http://www.vedicsoftware.com/SaJpDecl.php

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, thanks for your in depth analysis of his chart. Very fascinating. Is 
there any candidate who you think has a chart for winning?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 12:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    MD, Share, and Ann
He was indeed born as a Leo ascendant with Mars in the first house and the Sun 
and Rahu are placed in the powerful 10th house, the field of career.  Using 
regular Parasara jyotish indicators, his chart looks powerful since he is now 
running the main period of an exalted Rahu in the 10th house.  So, he is 
getting a lot of notoriety by proposing drastic measures against undocumented 
immigrants (signified by Rahu) by sending them back to their home country and 
by building a fence along the border to exclude aliens (Rahu).
However, the subperiod of Mars, starting in October 31, 2015, shows the 
weakness of his chart.  Mars is placed in the 12th house of loss in the navamsa 
chart.  So, his apparent popularity will wane during the subperiod.
Using Nadi astrology technique, the sublord of Rahu is Jupiter, which is placed 
in the second house, and is the lord of the 5th and 8th house of failure and 
misery.  So, the facade of success is being projected by Rahu, the planet of 
deceit and illusion.  But, in reality, the true indicator of his chart is 
Jupiter which shows the failure of his campaign against the undocumented 
immigrants.





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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I'll be waiting. Thanks
Yeah, me too. I am sure I could give you a far more likely synopsis of the man 
and his chances for Presidency. Or, at least what I hope his chances are.

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 MD and Share,
This is an interesting discussion.  To determine how well Trump will do during 
the campaign, one has to know what period he is running right now.  I'll 
research this later as I've go to do some business this afternoon.  It would 
also help to analyze his chart by using the Nadi astrology techniques.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Nakshatra for rising sign, as article states, is Magha.

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 So, what would his nakshatra be?



  From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 from Carol Allen's newsletter dated Aug 15   According to thecalculations of 
Vedic astrology (which differ from Western by almost anentire sign) he’s a 
Gemini (they like to diversify, are easily bored,and enjoy new challenges – 
writing and media, especially) with therising sign of Leo, and the Moon sign of 
Scorpio.    The Leo and Scorpio parts of his nature are why he’s so brash, and 
“large and in charge.”    The rising signindicates the way the world sees you, 
and your public persona. Leo, ofcourse, is the sign of royalty. And his rising 
sign degree is in earlyLeo, falling into the ancient Vedic constellation of Leo 
known as Magha,meaning “the mighty one.” Magha is the most competitive and 
driven ofthe three Vedic signs in Leo. (L. Ron Hubbard had his Moon here…).    
So, Donald sees  himself as a King, and others do as well.    Not only was 
hisstation in life inherited (like any royal) he has vast territories, andhis 
holdings are garish and ostentatious. (Ever seen pics of Trump Toweror 
Mar-A-Lago? Super palatial…)    The thing that really makes him a king, though, 
is that he has Mars in the first house in Leo.    For those blessedto be born 
with this regal sign in the position of the first house intheir horoscope, Mars 
becomes a planet of great power, known as a RajaYoga planet, because it “rules” 
both an angle and trine (in this case,the 4th and 9th houses).


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 Do you have a chart for Trump?

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 The author seems to like the idea that 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

More from Carol Allen's Aug 15 newsletter   While the rising sign represents 
our “Mask to the world” it’s the Moon sign that reveals our emotional nature.   
 As I said, Trump has the Moon in the sign of Scorpio.    One of my astrology 
teachers always said that people with the Moon in the sign of Scorpio were 
POWERFUL.    (I see it in the charts of entrepreneurs and dynamos of all kinds 
all the time – Oprah has this, as well!)    Scorpio people are also “ruled” by 
Mars and it’s important to note that Trump’s Vedic Moon sign (the smaller sign 
in Scorpio) is translated to mean “The Chief.”    It’s classified as a “demon” 
constellation – this doesn’t make him “bad” or “evil” – but it does make his 
emotional nature and way of relating to be very emotionally intense, dramatic, 
and independent. Those born in the “demon” constellations are happy to be “out 
of step” wish social mores, and to “March to their own drummer.” They care more 
about living from their truth than pleasing people, hence his insistence that 
“getting along” and “political correctness” aren’t what matters.
  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    Do you have a chart for Trump?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    The author seems to like the idea that Trump will be the GOP presidential 
candidate.  But that could also spell the end of the GOP as a party.  Find out 
why.  Please, read this quote from Trump and it may make your day.
"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I'm 
more honest and my women are more beautiful."- Donald Trump

Is This the End of the GOP?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nakshatra for rising sign, as article states, is Magha.

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    So, what would his nakshatra be?

 

     From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    from Carol Allen's newsletter dated Aug 15   According to the calculations 
of Vedic astrology (which differ from Western by almost an entire sign) he’s a 
Gemini (they like to diversify, are easily bored, and enjoy new challenges – 
writing and media, especially) with the rising sign of Leo, and the Moon sign 
of Scorpio.    The Leo and Scorpio parts of his nature are why he’s so brash, 
and “large and in charge.”    The rising sign indicates the way the world sees 
you, and your public persona. Leo, of course, is the sign of royalty. And his 
rising sign degree is in early Leo, falling into the ancient Vedic 
constellation of Leo known as Magha, meaning “the mighty one.” Magha is the 
most competitive and driven of the three Vedic signs in Leo. (L. Ron Hubbard 
had his Moon here…).    So, Donald sees  himself as a King, and others do as 
well.    Not only was his station in life inherited (like any royal) he has 
vast territories, and his holdings are garish and ostentatious. (Ever seen pics 
of Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago? Super palatial…)    The thing that really makes 
him a king, though, is that he has Mars in the first house in Leo.    For those 
blessed to be born with this regal sign in the position of the first house in 
their horoscope, Mars becomes a planet of great power, known as a Raja Yoga 
planet, because it “rules” both an angle and trine (in this case, the 4th and 
9th houses).
 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    Do you have a chart for Trump?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    The author seems to like the idea that Trump will be the GOP presidential 
candidate.  But that could also spell the end of the GOP as a party.  Find out 
why.  Please, read this quote from Trump and it may make your day.
"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I'm 
more honest and my women are more beautiful."- Donald Trump

Is This the End of the GOP?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

from Carol Allen's newsletter dated Aug 15   According to the calculations of 
Vedic astrology (which differ from Western by almost an entire sign) he’s a 
Gemini (they like to diversify, are easily bored, and enjoy new challenges – 
writing and media, especially) with the rising sign of Leo, and the Moon sign 
of Scorpio.    The Leo and Scorpio parts of his nature are why he’s so brash, 
and “large and in charge.”    The rising sign indicates the way the world sees 
you, and your public persona. Leo, of course, is the sign of royalty. And his 
rising sign degree is in early Leo, falling into the ancient Vedic 
constellation of Leo known as Magha, meaning “the mighty one.” Magha is the 
most competitive and driven of the three Vedic signs in Leo. (L. Ron Hubbard 
had his Moon here…).    So, Donald sees  himself as a King, and others do as 
well.    Not only was his station in life inherited (like any royal) he has 
vast territories, and his holdings are garish and ostentatious. (Ever seen pics 
of Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago? Super palatial…)    The thing that really makes 
him a king, though, is that he has Mars in the first house in Leo.    For those 
blessed to be born with this regal sign in the position of the first house in 
their horoscope, Mars becomes a planet of great power, known as a Raja Yoga 
planet, because it “rules” both an angle and trine (in this case, the 4th and 
9th houses).
  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    Do you have a chart for Trump?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
   
    The author seems to like the idea that Trump will be the GOP presidential 
candidate.  But that could also spell the end of the GOP as a party.  Find out 
why.  Please, read this quote from Trump and it may make your day.
"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I'm 
more honest and my women are more beautiful."- Donald Trump

Is This the End of the GOP?
 
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is a middle class that is dying, literally, and a party that supposedly 
represents them holding their head under water. As long as the GOP f...|
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Trump Is Doing Well The Girly Men Are Not

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mars in Leo in the first houseSun in 11th in Gemini in Nakshatra ruled by 
MarsMoon in Scorpio which is also ruled by Mars
He can't help himself (-:

  From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Trump Is Doing Well  The Girly Men Are Not
   
    Donald Trump: 
Warrior male extraordinaire
Exclusive:Kent G. Bailey, Ph.D., says such men have 'sustained the human race'
Published: 3days ago By Kent G. Bailey, Ph.D.
In 1987, I published the first book in the field of Human Paleopsychology. This 
approach is premised on two basic assumptions:First, human beings have an 
ancient and rich evolutionary history, and second,that ancient history is 
thoroughly involved in everything we feel, think and dopersonally, politically 
and morally. According to famed neuroscientist PaulMacLean, the human brain is 
composed of a primeval reptilian segment at thelowest level, a mammalian 
segment at mid-level and a human or neocorticalsegment at the highest level. I 
added the notion that we human beings areconstantly “regressing down” or 
“progressing up” MacLean’s triune brain systemin the natural flow of behavior.
The concept of “paleopolitics” is an obviousderivative of human 
paleopsychology. Indeed, we may easily infer that humansare, at base, political 
animals who obey more the law of the jungle than thepieties of high culture or 
the moral righteousness of the godly. Politics isselfish and egoistic, 
tribalistic and xenophobic to its core, and will readilygo to war to win at any 
cost. It sells itself as “progressive” and of higherthings yet most often 
operates in the gutters of human nature. Politics is notfor fops, Pollyannas or 
the faint-hearted; it is internecine war by anothername. It is the game of war, 
and only the true warriors win.
In the past 60 years or so, America has becomeprogressively feminized, and the 
archetypal warrior male has virtuallydisappeared. However, some tough ladies 
have stepped in to fill the vacuumincluding Phyllis Schlafly, LauraIngraham, 
Sarah Palin and Michelle Malkin and many others. But how would any ofthese 
wonderful and strong women compete head-to-head in a private conferenceroom 
with Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un of North Korea, or the mullahs and emirsof the 
volatile Middle East? We have seen how poorly our currentgirly-man-in-chief, 
Barack Obama, has dealt with the world of violentsupermales out there. From the 
dawn of time, mutual respect among warrior malesis the coin of the realm in 
these matters.
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly seems to see herself as an alphafemale capable of taking 
on any and all opposition – male or female. Yet, whenset against the 
unadulterated masculine intellectual powers and cunning ofDonald Trump, it was 
not a fair fight. She was overpowered to the point ofspeechlessness and had to 
take a 10-day vacation to lick her wounds. When theladies operate within a 
protective penumbra of political correctness in ahighly feminized culture of 
girly men, it is pretty easy to win intellectualpillow fights.
In 2006, I published a column suggesting that Ann Coulter was the last of the 
“real men” on the intellectual right. I believethat Ann is the closest on the 
distaff side to the “in your face warrior hawk”profiled in that article. She 
may be the brightest and most courageousconservative intellectual in the 
country who can breathe fire when fire isneeded – and that is most of the time. 
She has wonderfully set the stage forher male warrior counterpart, Donald 
Trump, who takes primal maleness to levelsunseen for at least half a century. 
The everyday people of America long forstrong warrior male leadership of the 
kind that has sustained the human racefrom the dawn of time.
Donald Trump is the prototypical, archetypal andtestosterone-driven alpha male 
who rules by the sheer force of his personality,imposing physique, quick wit, 
mastery of repartee and almost hypnotic controlover his gathering masses of 
adoring followers. He is Attila to the Huns, HenryV to the outnumbered English 
army, Winston Churchill to desperate alliedforces, and now our fearless leader 
against the pagan forces of progressivismand political correctness. He is the 
unapologetic, quintessential warrior maleof yore capable of vanquishing any and 
all opposition in his way.
Trump is not a clown, a bloviating buffoon, anintimidating bully, or just a 
really rich guy hoping to buy America as a shinynew toy. He is ambitious to a 
fault, relentless in his desire to control, ownand build, and he has success 
written into the DNA of every cell of his body.Yes, he is egotistical, over the 
top at times, and less soft and sentimentalthan some would like, but I think he 
would do pretty well in that closedconference room with Putin or Kim. They 
would respect him but not necessarilylike him. These are the ways of the 
warrior males who have ruled the 

[FairfieldLife] senses

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Diane Ackerman on the Secret Life of the Senses and the Measure of Our Aliveness

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and 
respond to both. Here's our exchange:
Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

But labeling something a god is surely belief?
Salyvin, if the first human labeled something tree, was there a belief 
involved?!
I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label 
something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. 
But why are they?
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :




Salyavin,
Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of other is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are 
we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet believing happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
Know god? Don't we mean believe? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American thinkers who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, thanks, Rick, it's been beyond interesting (-:

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
   
    Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Things change. People change.
It's not like we don't have choices.
Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, how did this subject get on both FFLs?!  A kind of unification? (-:

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 7:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :



So, in the end of your essayhere you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they 
burnt GiordinoBruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In 
myexperience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorationsof 
physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely inprocess take 
observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It'squite objective enough in my 
experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, 
civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time 
in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another 
distantstar in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a 
torchcarrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is 
justsomething personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurtfeelings, 
that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre andlight the match? 
-JaiGuruYou    
Hmm, can't see anything in there about burning Hagelin at the stake, or anyone 
actually. I leave that sort of thing to religious folks who don't like the 
heretical opinions of apostates.
Hurt feelings? That's an interesting statement. I would say no. I loved TM from 
the get-go but never understood the C as UF reference in the intro talk. I 
quizzed the teacher about whether he was serious or using an analogy but he 
didn't know anything about it either.
But the idea he has that he has finished Einstein' work really does annoy me 
though, partly because it patently isn't true. Another of the reasons is that 
he uses his PHD to hoodwink people who don't know anything about physics into 
thinking that he's something he's not and that science is at a place that it's 
not. I think people should have more respect for the work of others rather than 
just use it to promote their own, wild and untested ideas. It does science a 
disservice you see. For everyone that goes on a TM course and gets the Hagelin 
lecture and goes home believing it is one person who might have become 
interested in what is really going on in physics. But I know people who like TM 
physics but not tested, working stuff because it's boring. Each to their own, 
I think it's sad. Go figure.
One of the things I want to know is whether there actually is a connection 
between physics and inner consciousness. Just saying you agree with the idea 
doesn't help with that, I want a convincing and workable theory or link to one 
but I haven't seen it. Or maybe I didn't get my main points over well enough? 
Basically, John Hagelin is claiming that spiritual and physical unification is 
the same thing, not an analogy at all. And I don't understand it but I get why 
I'm supposed to think TM is a gateway to my own experience of it due to 
expansive feelings of awareness etc
A unification of two ideas should make things both simpler and more powerful as 
explanations and gives us a deeper vision into how the world works and these 
mystical ideas don't do that do they? I can't explain it any better than that.
I hope his ideas do get accepted though as it would be an enjoyably surreal day 
when he picks up his Nobel prize with his raja costume on! Long, long way to go 
though and stopping selling yagya's on the back of it would be a fine start for 
his campaign of acceptability.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He 
theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others 
which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly 
obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a 
heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first 
unification in physics.
Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to 
be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to 
test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't 
treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other 
worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was 
burned at the stake for his trouble.
Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found 
to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich 
new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been 
thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific 
lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common 
ancestor, they have changed over time. 

[FairfieldLife] loving this carver

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

feste, loving what you say here that's so true, esp the part about having the 
common background and also respecting all the different paths. 

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
   
    Yes, good analysis. I remember those days of the daily trudge or car ride 
to the dome, seeing people I didn't actually know but whose faces became very 
familiar. It was indeed the daily communal ritual; it was the glue that held us 
together. Now it has largely fallen away, although of course many people do 
still go. But in some ways we are almost in a post-TM era here now. I know so 
many people who no longer practice TM or care about anything the TMO does. It 
is just no longer a part of their lives. Instead of having one communal meeting 
ground every day, twice a day, people have developed a network of smaller 
groups, from the Sufis to Waking Down (just to give two examples) to cater to 
their particular post-TM interests. And yet is it wonderful that almost all of 
us have that common background. We understand each other in ways that would not 
be possible without it. I spent over 30 years doing TM and do not regret a 
single moment spent with eyes closed in the dome or elsewhere. But I have no 
desire to practice any form of meditation now. I have moved on, and others have 
too. I also find there is tremendous respect among the post-TMers for all the 
different paths or no paths that people have chosen to best satisfy their 
spiritual needs as they understand them now, 40-50 years (in many cases) since 
we first began this long journey, in a puja room somewhere with incense 
burning, a picture of the guru—and the imminence of transcendence, that 
sudden strange fall . . . 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Living in the meditating community it is interesting that the meditating 
community in Fairfield, Iowa is large enough that we do not necessarily know 
each other in it. Living here you recognize folks as part of the tribe. In the 
tribe there evidently are circles of folks something like guilds by affinity of 
interests or work that might overlap like Venn diagrams do. 




 It used to be easier to recognize folks twenty years ago when the meditation 
numbers where significantly higher whence twice a day lots of meditators 
regardless of social economics, rank or element in the community, everyone 
walked in to the Domes shoulder-to-shoulder for meditation. The Dome meditation 
times then also served as communal 'check-in' times with friends and the larger 
meditating community.




The Dome numbers have fragmented and diminished since those times and elements 
of the tribe have drifted a part from each other but there can still be 
overlap. And every once in a while you meet someone who has been living here in 
the larger meditating community for 20, 30 or 40 years that you never met 
before. For the last year or so as a 'town meditator' I have been on committees 
meeting up on campus and it has been a revelation at times putting some faces 
to names of folks up there in that part of the meditating community. And, also 
renewing old friendships of people who have been around for decades here. 
-JaiGuruYou



Edg writes:  Never met George.  Two decades in FF, and nope.  But I heard his 
name every single week there...the guy was a true community gluer. Had to be 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's ok. I am enjoying the seeming chaos (-:

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites 
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made 
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not 
posting on 
FFL2?
I shall try and post across the ever growing diaspora of FFL, might be tricky 
keeping track of it all though!
I shall sort out a Salyavin email address so I don't get confused...
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

Has MJ been banished too?  Is it karma that has come a full circle?  It appears 
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a 
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking 
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the 
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You 
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by 
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily 
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the 
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to 
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a 
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. 
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing 
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be 
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. 
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which 
you would be well advised to amend.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning 
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun 
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may 
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time. 
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they 
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of 
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the 
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, 
Alex.-JaiGuruYou       



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter 
to me. Just letting you know it's there.


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Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I 
think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites 
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made 
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not 
posting on 
FFL2?
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

Has MJ been banished too?  Is it karma that has come a full circle?  It appears 
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a 
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking 
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the 
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You 
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by 
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily 
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the 
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to 
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a 
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. 
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing 
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be 
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. 
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which 
you would be well advised to amend.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning 
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun 
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may 
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time. 
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they 
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of 
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the 
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, 
Alex.-JaiGuruYou       



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter 
to me. Just letting you know it's there.


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Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I 
think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

light bulb just went on over my head...hope it stays on LOL!

  From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 6:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
   
    Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's 
anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle.

I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though 
he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not 
something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an 
anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid 
options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote :

salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites 
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made 
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not 
posting on 
FFL2?
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

Has MJ been banished too?  Is it karma that has come a full circle?  It appears 
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a 
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking 
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the 
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You 
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by 
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily 
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the 
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to 
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a 
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. 
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing 
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be 
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. 
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which 
you would be well advised to amend.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning 
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun 
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may 
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time. 
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they 
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of 
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the 
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, 
Alex.-JaiGuruYou       



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter 
to me. Just letting you know it's there.


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Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I 
think you might have wanted to call the new site australia.
  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, I think the key phrase in your response is what you say about 
inferred knowledge, that it lacks the data to demonstrate. I'd agree that it 
lacks the data to demonstrate that it's more than just a meaning given by 
humans. But I think I've driveled something similar before. (-:  
I don't mind dry and dusty at all.
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

hi salyavin, glad you're still here. And now I'm really wishing you were here 
in Fairfield. Because you'd find many folks who like you find dinosaurs 
spiritual. Or birds or trees or even plastic bags! This is what I've been 
trying to convey to you and Curtis too. That many people here have grown beyond 
a bounded view of human development.  Based on their own experiences.

Now, the other topic I'd like to address, and this is my response to your post 
about evolution and science and at a deeper level, what is real.
Isn't the determination of what is real dependent upon when one takes the 
photo? IOW, considering the process during which a caterpillar becomes a 
butterfly, if we take the photo at a certain point in that process, we could 
say the caterpillar is gone. But is that real? Or said another way, is that the 
whole picture?
The trick is you have to be sure that you get as much of the picture before 
making statements about accuracy.
In the case of a butterfly it would be impossible to fathom it's life until you 
know all the stages but once you do it's impossible to think there is something 
else hiding undiscovered. Most aspects of life are the same, what else could 
there be to mankind in a real sense as opposed to us just making stuff up about 
funny trips we've had?
Spiritual is what things mean to us, not a reflection of any intrinsic value in 
nature. We infer that an inner experience is a profound understanding of nature 
but you can't have inferred knowledge, there is no such thing. It's just a 
guess based on what we want to be true, or lack the objectivity or data to 
demonstrate otherwise. Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves. So 
I'm very wary of spiritual claims of knowledge gained through revelation.
With any experience I have, whether during TM or outside of it, I wonder, Is 
this the whole picture? And I think many of us long term TMers have come to 
realize that there is no static whole picture, that it is an ever unfolding 
experience of what it means to be a ever unfolding human in an ever unfolding 
universe.
Excellent. Rejecting the guru's teaching is a good first step. Just don't 
replace it with your own drivel ;-)
This experience makes one a scientist, but one who is full of wonder and joy 
about what is being observed. This is what I sense in you too and what makes me 
think you'd enjoy a visit to Fairfield. 

You say but I would say that science starts with a sense of wonder and more 
importantly, a desire to explain what we experience. The idea of the scientist 
as a dry and dusty individual with no sense of romance is way wide of the mark.
Just don't multiply entities unnecessarily (Occam's razor)
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.coma
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

But it's the Funny Farm Lounge.  Weshould expect knee-jerk abusive and often 
obscene ranting from theinmates.  I just don't want to see discussion narrowed 
to somesheltered view of spirituality. 
Yup. Spiritual means different things to different people, it isn't just a 
term for airy-fairy daydreams about awakening into a sea of bliss. I find 
dinosaurs very spiritual because thinking about the deep past and the sense of 
time passing and the unpredictable future of life gives me a sense of 
perspective in my day. A sense of place in the universe, and it's real.


 

 On 07/07/2015 01:17 PM, feste37 wrote:



  
I'm mystified as to why youthink that the alternative to having a moderated 
group asit is evolving here on FFL is a bliss ninny group.That's absurd. I am 
all for vigorous discussion, opposingpoints of view, and honest dialogue. I am 
against the kindof knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting against 
allthings spiritual that went on here up until the last fewweeks.  And for all 
the abuse Doug has taken, one wouldhardly realize that he has been a good 
exponent of exactlywhat you are calling for in your post: a discussion ofwhere 
things have gone in the TMO and where they aregoing. Many of his comments and 
insights over the last fewyears have been very astute. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...wrote :

As faras I'm concerned Rick set thecommunity standards as he defines it on 
the headerfor thegroup.  If you don't like them then start 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, in the movie of the same name, Lucy says time is the basis of 
reality. Meaning that if something is traveling faster than the speed of light, 
it basically doesn't exist! Of course, this is not a documentary, but fabulous 
nonetheless about time and evolution and human development. I'm obviously on a 
Lucy kick today. (-: 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

salyavin, I think the key phrase in your response is what you say about 
inferred knowledge, that it lacks the data to demonstrate. I'd agree that it 
lacks the data to demonstrate that it's more than just a meaning given by 
humans. But I think I've driveled something similar before. (-:
Yep, that is indeed the point. We must be careful what definitions we ascribe 
to experiences. to the world as revealed by our eyes and ears, it's really hard 
to know what is going on just from looking at something as we see so little of 
it.
It takes clever experiment to work things out that aren't immediately available 
and the more data we get about everything the more the explanations have to 
grow to encompass it all. A decent model of consciousness will have to include 
spiritual experiences and why they impress us so much, but will it include a 
link to particle physics? I think the mystics are in dreamland on that one.   I 
don't mind dry and dusty at all.
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

hi salyavin, glad you're still here. And now I'm really wishing you were here 
in Fairfield. Because you'd find many folks who like you find dinosaurs 
spiritual. Or birds or trees or even plastic bags! This is what I've been 
trying to convey to you and Curtis too. That many people here have grown beyond 
a bounded view of human development.  Based on their own experiences.

Now, the other topic I'd like to address, and this is my response to your post 
about evolution and science and at a deeper level, what is real.
Isn't the determination of what is real dependent upon when one takes the 
photo? IOW, considering the process during which a caterpillar becomes a 
butterfly, if we take the photo at a certain point in that process, we could 
say the caterpillar is gone. But is that real? Or said another way, is that the 
whole picture?
The trick is you have to be sure that you get as much of the picture before 
making statements about accuracy.
In the case of a butterfly it would be impossible to fathom it's life until you 
know all the stages but once you do it's impossible to think there is something 
else hiding undiscovered. Most aspects of life are the same, what else could 
there be to mankind in a real sense as opposed to us just making stuff up about 
funny trips we've had?
Spiritual is what things mean to us, not a reflection of any intrinsic value in 
nature. We infer that an inner experience is a profound understanding of nature 
but you can't have inferred knowledge, there is no such thing. It's just a 
guess based on what we want to be true, or lack the objectivity or data to 
demonstrate otherwise. Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves. So 
I'm very wary of spiritual claims of knowledge gained through revelation.
With any experience I have, whether during TM or outside of it, I wonder, Is 
this the whole picture? And I think many of us long term TMers have come to 
realize that there is no static whole picture, that it is an ever unfolding 
experience of what it means to be a ever unfolding human in an ever unfolding 
universe.
Excellent. Rejecting the guru's teaching is a good first step. Just don't 
replace it with your own drivel ;-)
This experience makes one a scientist, but one who is full of wonder and joy 
about what is being observed. This is what I sense in you too and what makes me 
think you'd enjoy a visit to Fairfield. 

You say but I would say that science starts with a sense of wonder and more 
importantly, a desire to explain what we experience. The idea of the scientist 
as a dry and dusty individual with no sense of romance is way wide of the mark.
Just don't multiply entities unnecessarily (Occam's razor)
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.coma
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

But it's the Funny Farm Lounge.  Weshould expect knee-jerk abusive and often 
obscene ranting from theinmates.  I just don't want to see discussion narrowed 
to somesheltered view of spirituality. 
Yup. Spiritual means different things to different people, it isn't just a 
term for 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

hi salyavin, glad you're still here. And now I'm really wishing you were here 
in Fairfield. Because you'd find many folks who like you find dinosaurs 
spiritual. Or birds or trees or even plastic bags! This is what I've been 
trying to convey to you and Curtis too. That many people here have grown beyond 
a bounded view of human development.  Based on their own experiences.

Now, the other topic I'd like to address, and this is my response to your post 
about evolution and science and at a deeper level, what is real.
Isn't the determination of what is real dependent upon when one takes the 
photo? IOW, considering the process during which a caterpillar becomes a 
butterfly, if we take the photo at a certain point in that process, we could 
say the caterpillar is gone. But is that real? Or said another way, is that the 
whole picture?
With any experience I have, whether during TM or outside of it, I wonder, Is 
this the whole picture? And I think many of us long term TMers have come to 
realize that there is no static whole picture, that it is an ever unfolding 
experience of what it means to be a ever unfolding human in an ever unfolding 
universe.
This experience makes one a scientist, but one who is full of wonder and joy 
about what is being observed. This is what I sense in you too and what makes me 
think you'd enjoy a visit to Fairfield. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.coma
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My two cents
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

But it's the Funny Farm Lounge.  Weshould expect knee-jerk abusive and often 
obscene ranting from theinmates.  I just don't want to see discussion narrowed 
to somesheltered view of spirituality. 
Yup. Spiritual means different things to different people, it isn't just a 
term for airy-fairy daydreams about awakening into a sea of bliss. I find 
dinosaurs very spiritual because thinking about the deep past and the sense of 
time passing and the unpredictable future of life gives me a sense of 
perspective in my day. A sense of place in the universe, and it's real.



 On 07/07/2015 01:17 PM, feste37 wrote:


  
I'm mystified as to why youthink that the alternative to having a moderated 
group asit is evolving here on FFL is a bliss ninny group.That's absurd. I am 
all for vigorous discussion, opposingpoints of view, and honest dialogue. I am 
against the kindof knee-jerk abusive and often obscene ranting against 
allthings spiritual that went on here up until the last fewweeks.  And for all 
the abuse Doug has taken, one wouldhardly realize that he has been a good 
exponent of exactlywhat you are calling for in your post: a discussion ofwhere 
things have gone in the TMO and where they aregoing. Many of his comments and 
insights over the last fewyears have been very astute. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...wrote :

As faras I'm concerned Rick set thecommunity standards as he defines it on 
the headerfor thegroup.  If you don't like them then start yet anotherbliss 
ninnygroup.  Those seem to be extremely popular and longlived. :-D 

I've been online since the early 1980s.  I've seenmany a BBS comeand go.  I've 
seen heavy handed moderators come and gotoo.  Seemsthat late comers have a 
creepy idea of what moderationis about.

TM is just dime store yoga taught at Neumann-Marcusprices.  itwas better when 
it wasn't so pretentious but then mostpeopledidn't know that much about yoga 
back then.  We'vecome a longways.  This is a good forum to discuss where 
thingshave gone evenif it riles TBs.


 On 07/07/2015 11:38 AM,feste37 wrote:


  
Ithink it's part of whatmoderating is about. For example, I often read 
thecomments section in articles in the Guardian. Onerecentcomment got deleted, 
with the following message:

This comment was removed by a moderator becauseit didn'tabide by our 
communitystandards. Replies may also be deleted. 


This is very common and I have no objection tosomethinglike it being 
implemented at FFL. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,noozguru@...wrote :

Andthat'snot what moderating isabout. It's for extreme circumstances 
whichareusually rare.  Youshould never give moderation over to a 
techilliterate.  It justmakes them a laughing stock.

Perhaps it's time to create an FFL-Ex YahooGroup. ;-) 


On 07/07/2015 11:13 AM,salyavin808 wrote:


  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote :

It'sverysimple, Duv. Thereare now some community standards to 
beobservedwhenposting to this group. There is nothingremarkable aboutthat. It 
is long overdue. 
Rubbish, MJ got kicked fornothingthathasn't been said a million timesbefore, 
sowhat ifBuck decides it's suddenly beyond thepale tohave anopinion he doesn't 
like? That's all itis.Sheeropportunism and hide behind theguidelines. 
Wearen'tchildren for god's sake.

---In 

[FairfieldLife] speaking of evolution...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I highly recommend the movie Lucy with Scarlett Johanson and Morgan Freeman. 
Lots of violence and medical gore but if you can keep that from sticking, it's 
an amazing movie about full human development. Literally! But to say more would 
spoil the fun (-:

I never studied evolution in high school or college so I definitely appreciate 
the movie's scenes having to do with that. And even more, I love that full 
development of her brain is portrayed as the basis of her unusual abilities.
And the very end will knock your socks off!  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi Curtis,Well I'm completely appalled when people greet each other with Jai 
Guru Dev! That's kind of what I'm poking at. I honor that someone honors 
another human being and have been known to say namaste myself. But saying Jai 
Guru Dev rather than hello seems like a highjacking of a sincere honoring and 
turning it into something rote and meaningless. 
Warning: more softening ahead! OTOH, I acknowledge that I might be wrong about 
a person's inner experience when they say Jai Guru Dev. Nonetheless, I think a 
good course of action is to trust my own instincts about another's sincerity 
and/or groundedness. And I further recognize that people perhaps say Jai Guru 
Dev in an intentional way, intending to have a deeper experience of life. I'm 
happy if it works for them.

I think you especially but also Xeno, empty and barry2 generally take an 
intellectual, philosophical and fascinating approach to discussing TM, etc. I 
enjoy reading these but tend to have a more psychological angle on the world. 
Such an angle can degenerate into analyzing people's childhood issues and 
personalities and lifestyles. Enjoyment then can be less.

Ok, Curtis, now to address your main point, or at least attempt to. And it 
totally has to do with the reason I wish you guys would visit here. As best as 
I can tell, lots of people here aren't going by any guru's insights. Nor even 
by any guru's experiences. They are living by their own insights and 
experiences. 
That for me is proof of TM's efficacy.
When in SCI I heard Maharishi say that TM transcends its own activity, I had a 
flash of insight. That TM totally liberates the seeker, even from itself, to 
use an awkward wording. And I admit it leads to a conundrum: one is filled with 
gratitude for a system one no longer needs! I don't know, maybe it's just a GC 
phase (-:

I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is wrong. 
And also what exactly you mean by wrong. Harmful to life?
 From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    Hi Share. Comments below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!

Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor 
his master. He was completely against this even when it was directed toward 
him. The concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used this term is antithetical 
to human equality. By combining the buzz word terminology used to maintain a 
hierarchy with an idea of egalitarianism it basically cancels out the 
intellectual value and integrity of both ideas and philosophies.  
S: 
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and 
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a 
little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present 
day skin in the game!

Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging, not the 
eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing Maharishi's 
teaching, it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie many movement 
participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe in the concept of a 
guru as a person with the kind of insight into life claimed by gurus, then the 
difference between how this belief gets mixed up in a personal philosophy is 
irrelevant to the challenge to the idea. Saying for example, I believe 
Maharishi was enlightened and that enlightened people know the reality of life 
but I don't follow what he says exactly is just a statement about how 
incongruent most people's philosophies are. It is not a refutation of the 
challenge that guru's have not provided enough evidence to support their claims 
to special states of mind and knowledge about the world.  

S:
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And 
I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad!

Me: I guess you say this kind of thing to soften your having a personal opinion 
on something here. I don't believe you need to apologize for that. I think it 
is great that you love FFL and have chosen those beliefs out of Maharishi's 
system that serve you. My criticism of his teaching is never a personal attack 
on your life choices. I wish you lots of happiness and good things for your 
life while believing sincerely that Maharishi's philosophy is wrong on almost 
everything it claims.




Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-:
I finally looked up TTFN...
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

bhairitu, but would you use French if the baker was genuinely French? Indeed, 
who among us would be so brave as to speak French to a native?!

I sometimes say bon appetite when eating out with friends. Kind of saying 
grace, but in a way that honors the body. And needless to say, the friends 
aren't French!

Forget French and Italian and Hindi. How's your Mandarin coming along?
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
 Using jai guru dev shows ignorance on the part of TM'ers.  It is a 
phrase used by many paths to acknowledge their teacher not just TM and usually 
not used in public.  To refer to SBS as Guru Dev is incorrect in protocol.  
Other people have their own Guru Dev.
 
 I like to use phrases to kid folks.  We have a photography shop where the 
owner studied French cooking and makes some wonderful baked goods he sells at 
the Sunday farmer's market.  I always greet with bon matin (good morning) and 
we all have a laugh.  Then I order in French.  The woman assisting at the booth 
doesn't know French but knows some Italian.  I tried namaste the other day 
but then said oh wait, that's Hindi which we all laughed about.
  
 On 07/07/2015 09:37 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     Hi Curtis, Well I'm completely appalled when people greet each other with 
Jai Guru Dev! That's kind of what I'm poking at. I honor that someone honors 
another human being and have been known to say namaste myself. But saying Jai 
Guru Dev rather than hello seems like a highjacking of a sincere honoring and 
turning it into something rote and meaningless. 
   Warning: more softening ahead! OTOH, I acknowledge that I might be wrong 
about a person's inner experience when they say Jai Guru Dev. Nonetheless, I 
think a good course of action is to trust my own instincts about another's 
sincerity and/or groundedness. And I further recognize that people perhaps say 
Jai Guru Dev in an intentional way, intending to have a deeper experience of 
life. I'm happy if it works for them.
  
  I think you especially but also Xeno, empty and barry2 generally take an 
intellectual, philosophical and fascinating approach to discussing TM, etc. I 
enjoy reading these but tend to have a more psychological angle on the world. 
Such an angle can degenerate into analyzing people's childhood issues and 
personalities and lifestyles. Enjoyment then can be less.
  
  Ok, Curtis, now to address your main point, or at least attempt to. And it 
totally has to do with the reason I wish you guys would visit here. As best as 
I can tell, lots of people here aren't going by any guru's insights. Nor even 
by any guru's experiences. They are living by  their own insights and 
experiences. 
  That for me is proof of TM's efficacy. 
  When in SCI I heard Maharishi say that TM transcends its own activity, I had 
a flash of insight. That TM totally liberates the seeker, even from itself, to 
use an awkward wording. And I admit it leads to a conundrum: one is filled with 
gratitude for a system one no longer  needs! I don't know, maybe it's just a GC 
phase (-:
  
  I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is wrong. 
And also what exactly you mean by wrong. Harmful to life?
   From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    Hi Share. Comments below.
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
 
   salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
 
 Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor 
his master. He was completely against this even when it was directed toward 
him. The  concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used this term is antithetical 
to human equality. By combining the buzz word terminology used to maintain a  
hierarchy with an idea of egalitarianism it basically cancels out the 
intellectual value  and integrity of both ideas and philosophies.  
  S: 
  But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff  and 
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a  
little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present 
day skin in the game!
 
 Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging,  not the 
eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing Maharishi's 
teaching,  it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie many movement 
participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe in the concept of a 
guru as a person with  the kind of insight into l! ife claimed by gurus, then 
the difference between how this belief gets mixed up in a personal philosophy 
is irrelevant

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sigh, feste, I do feel so fortunate to live in a sweet place like Fairfield but 
sometimes I wish everyone were more like me LOL!

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    Share, I think namaste is one of the loveliest of all greetings, but I do 
cringe at Jai Guru Dev. I got JGD'ed by someone just half an hour ago and it 
felt strange, like a ghost from the past. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Hi Curtis,Well I'm completely appalled when people greet each other with Jai 
Guru Dev! That's kind of what I'm poking at. I honor that someone honors 
another human being and have been known to say namaste myself. But saying Jai 
Guru Dev rather than hello seems like a highjacking of a sincere honoring and 
turning it into something rote and meaningless. 
Warning: more softening ahead! OTOH, I acknowledge that I might be wrong about 
a person's inner experience when they say Jai Guru Dev. Nonetheless, I think a 
good course of action is to trust my own instincts about another's sincerity 
and/or groundedness. And I further recognize that people perhaps say Jai Guru 
Dev in an intentional way, intending to have a deeper experience of life. I'm 
happy if it works for them.

I think you especially but also Xeno, empty and barry2 generally take an 
intellectual, philosophical and fascinating approach to discussing TM, etc. I 
enjoy reading these but tend to have a more psychological angle on the world. 
Such an angle can degenerate into analyzing people's childhood issues and 
personalities and lifestyles. Enjoyment then can be less.

Ok, Curtis, now to address your main point, or at least attempt to. And it 
totally has to do with the reason I wish you guys would visit here. As best as 
I can tell, lots of people here aren't going by any guru's insights. Nor even 
by any guru's experiences. They are living by their own insights and 
experiences. 
That for me is proof of TM's efficacy.
When in SCI I heard Maharishi say that TM transcends its own activity, I had a 
flash of insight. That TM totally liberates the seeker, even from itself, to 
use an awkward wording. And I admit it leads to a conundrum: one is filled with 
gratitude for a system one no longer needs! I don't know, maybe it's just a GC 
phase (-:

I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is wrong. 
And also what exactly you mean by wrong. Harmful to life?
  From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
 
 Hi Share. Comments below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!

Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor 
his master. He was completely against this even when it was directed toward 
him. The concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used this term is antithetical 
to human equality. By combining the buzz word terminology used to maintain a 
hierarchy with an idea of egalitarianism it basically cancels out the 
intellectual value and integrity of both ideas and philosophies.  
S: 
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and 
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a 
little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present 
day skin in the game!

Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging, not the 
eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing Maharishi's 
teaching, it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie many movement 
participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe in the concept of a 
guru as a person with the kind of insight into life claimed by gurus, then the 
difference between how this belief gets mixed up in a personal philosophy is 
irrelevant to the challenge to the idea. Saying for example, I believe 
Maharishi was enlightened and that enlightened people know the reality of life 
but I don't follow what he says exactly is just a statement about how 
incongruent most people's philosophies are. It is not a refutation of the 
challenge that guru's have not provided enough evidence to support their claims 
to special states of mind and knowledge about the world.  

S:
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And 
I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad!

Me: I guess you say this kind of thing to soften your having a personal opinion 
on something here. I don't believe you need to apologize for that. I think it 
is great that you love FFL and have chosen those beliefs out of Maharishi's 
system that serve you. My criticism of his teaching is never a personal attack 
on your life choices. I 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

yes, salyavin, I would miss you and your delightful sense of humor. So there!
It's true that you don't have to have been in Fairfield to have an opinion 
about TM'ers. But for me it makes the opinion more valid, if it's based on in 
person observation. Otherwise and this often is the case on FFL, the anti TM 
responses seem like knee jerk reactions rooted in the past.
I think all humans have a vested interest in their conclusions and 
interpretations. Scientists we're often not!
Still owe you a response...sweet dreams (-:
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
Consider that I keep getting re-incarnated as the same thing.
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and 
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades!
Was that your main point? I thought it was that you'd miss me. Boo!
I don't think you need have to have been in Fairfield at all to have an opinion 
about the TMO or TM as it all occurs in the head. And no matter how good a time 
you're having it doesn't change what I've seen and done. I'd like to know more 
about FF but no one ever posts anything because it gets analysed by people like 
me who might have a different viewpoint to what you've decided you want to 
hear. The recent vedic psychiatry debate springs to mind. I had some good 
questions about it for BUck but he didn't respond.
We have the net to keep us informed of how the inner workings of the TMO are 
going you see so we don't have to visit FF, the changes to the websites tell us 
a lot.What people post here tells us a lot. 
The thing is we all have a vested interest in our spiritual alma mater and how 
it turns out. Trouble is somebody round here doesn't want us to take part 
because we are apostates. It's a silly term from a silly man who has ended up 
with too much power which he wields without considering the long term 
ramifications of his actions for the place. But then he doesn't take part 
himself so why should he care?

 Come on guys, get a little hands on and current experience before you wade in! 
Get a little present day skin in the game!
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And 
I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad!

Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-:
I finally looked up TTFN...


  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and 
rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy immensely the absence of 
the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely because they are made far far away 
from Ground Zero, so to speak. And I will even more immensely enjoy the more 
tamasic of said negative rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-:
Hey, whatdya know , I'm still here! Jai Guru Me!
But I don't really think there's been a deluge of anti-TMO offerings. What I 
recall is a lot of people who have personal and first hand experience of the 
weird cult that is TM have expressed - and justified - opinions that people 
like you and Buck don't like.
Why you don't like it is a mystery to me, this is - or was - a discussion room 
for people with opinions about TM, the TMO and anything else, to share. It's 
all on the home page.
But now Buck has assumed control and deleted all the interesting posters this 
place is now effectively just a bliss bunny forum with nothing to say. This is 
sad. The natural conclusion of censorship is that the only posts remaining are 
the ones nobody wants to read.
Look at what Buck used as an excuse to get rid of MJ. It's pathetic. I can't 
believe you lot are just going to go along with it and not object. But I guess 
that's what lifetime in a cult does for you. I remember being in the TMO and 
voicing a contrary opinion and was told that this is a dictatorship and my 
opinion wasn't relevant if it contradicted Marshy.
Funny thing is, Buck was a victim of this fearful fascism and banned from the 
domes for ages. He came here to rant about it.
Now he's back in the fold he's come over all Jai Guru Dev and wants to treat us 
(you) the same way he was treated. 
Ironic huh?

Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers aresaying 
that too much social media damages the third eye. One of them isactually 
closing all of his FB pages.
Probably just doesn't like the ability of people to offer a contrary opinion.
Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good health, 
etc.  
Yeah, and you Share. You have been a source of fun here when you 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and 
rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy immensely the absence of 
the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely because they are made far far away 
from Ground Zero, so to speak. And I will even more immensely enjoy the more 
tamasic of said negative rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-:

Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers are saying 
that too much social media damages the third eye. One of them is actually 
closing all of his FB pages.
Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good health, 
etc.    From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    Ouch!
I read xeno's post this morning, but couldn't reply.  (of course it's all in 
the yahoo/ffl/mailarchive), but I guess a line was crossed.
Too bad, cuz I like xeno's brand of cynicism for the most part, and of course, 
that dry, dry sense of humor.
That will not easily be replaced, IMO.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and 
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a 
little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present 
day skin in the game!
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And 
I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad!

Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-:
I finally looked up TTFN...
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and 
rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy immensely the absence of 
the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely because they are made far far away 
from Ground Zero, so to speak. And I will even more immensely enjoy the more 
tamasic of said negative rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-:
Hey, whatdya know , I'm still here! Jai Guru Me!
But I don't really think there's been a deluge of anti-TMO offerings. What I 
recall is a lot of people who have personal and first hand experience of the 
weird cult that is TM have expressed - and justified - opinions that people 
like you and Buck don't like.
Why you don't like it is a mystery to me, this is - or was - a discussion room 
for people with opinions about TM, the TMO and anything else, to share. It's 
all on the home page.
But now Buck has assumed control and deleted all the interesting posters this 
place is now effectively just a bliss bunny forum with nothing to say. This is 
sad. The natural conclusion of censorship is that the only posts remaining are 
the ones nobody wants to read.
Look at what Buck used as an excuse to get rid of MJ. It's pathetic. I can't 
believe you lot are just going to go along with it and not object. But I guess 
that's what lifetime in a cult does for you. I remember being in the TMO and 
voicing a contrary opinion and was told that this is a dictatorship and my 
opinion wasn't relevant if it contradicted Marshy.
Funny thing is, Buck was a victim of this fearful fascism and banned from the 
domes for ages. He came here to rant about it.
Now he's back in the fold he's come over all Jai Guru Dev and wants to treat us 
(you) the same way he was treated. 
Ironic huh?

Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers aresaying 
that too much social media damages the third eye. One of them isactually 
closing all of his FB pages.
Probably just doesn't like the ability of people to offer a contrary opinion.
Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good health, 
etc.  
Yeah, and you Share. You have been a source of fun here when you posted more. 
And I got some good book recommendations from you. I always thank people who 
open my eyes to things.
Somehow I'll have to find something else to do on my tea break!
TTFN ;-)  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
 
 Ouch!
I read xeno's post this morning, but couldn't reply.  (of course it's all in 
the yahoo/ffl/mailarchive), but I guess a line was crossed.
Too bad, cuz I like xeno's brand of cynicism for the most part, and of course, 
that dry, dry sense of humor.
That will not easily be replaced, IMO.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of theyahoo-groups guidelines 
of invading privacy or slurring people on yahoo-groups. Bye. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've heard that according to the Veda: Brahman says, My indestructible 
maya.If a person has realized this and is living this in every moment, then 
roles, indeed everything, would be both Brahman and maya. 
At that point, surely life would not have to be one thing or the other, 
contemplation or worldly role.
Maya is covering when tamas dominates; veil when rajas dominates and ladder to 
reality when sattva dominates.  

A friend once heard Maharishi say that we can not imagine how inclusive Brahman 
is.
Far in the distance is seen the owner of the house reverberating.
Hopefully not too sentimental (-:
 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 11:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
   
    Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all 
of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. 
Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone 
like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a 
Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. 
Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care 
of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in 
nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference 
between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. 
Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality 
itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and 
that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself. 

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a 
role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by 
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with He loved us so much he wanted to save us from 
ourselves christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the He was a great 
bodhisattva Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of 
understanding the question.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once 
scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic 
excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise.

  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
   
    Gay marriage is now legal.  Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy 
could be legalized soon.  What do you think?
Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story 
on a Throuple
 
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||||   Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts 
Argues,...  In his unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality 
decision, Chief Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way 
for a constituti...||
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi John, 
You ain't seen nothing yet. If polygamy is universally legalized, could 
polyandry be far behind? (-:
Turq made some very negative contributions. And he made some positive 
contributions too. Same could be said for most everyone here.
I often enjoyed the contributions of Richard and Ravi. And yet I think they 
were booted for valid reasons. 

I read the extreme contributions of someone like Edg and it helps me 
understand why Turq was booted. It has to do with tone, which is quite tricky 
to articulate. Making an attempt, I'll say that I often feel a lightness in 
Edg's writing which I seldom felt in Turq's. And that could just be my lack of 
perceptual fullness.  
 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
   
    Hey Share,
You haven't been posting much these days.  With Pastor Barry gone, you can 
count your blessings.  Perhaps, we can have the other Peak members to come back 
and post once again.
Nonetheless, IMO some of the Mormons in southern Utah would probably challenge 
the courts for their right to have multiple wives.  Having many wives would 
probably help here in SF since homes are expensive.  They can help pay for the 
mortgage.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

John, I think the Chief Justice is trying to scare people, people who were once 
scared by the prospect of gay marriage. I also think that he's a pathetic 
excuse for a judge, chief or otherwise.

  From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Polygamy is Next to be Legalized?
 
 Gay marriage is now legal.  Chief Justice Roberts states that polygamy could 
be legalized soon.  What do you think?
Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues, Citing New York Post Story 
on a Throuple

|  |
|  | |  | Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy, Roberts Argues,... In his 
unexpectedly fiery dissent in Friday's marriage equality decision, Chief 
Justice John Roberts argues that the ruling may clear the way for a 
constituti... |  |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Final Last Message?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

True Cons

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Final Last Message?
   
 Turq is an HBO fanboy.  Doesn't cost him anything because he likes the 
thrill of stealing it off Pirate Bay.  He gets all jazzed up when there is a 
new season of a show.  Me, I think HBO is overpriced especially what some of 
the cable companies charge for it.  Granted I had it for two years as free 
but I know damn well that was just a Comcast scheme to keep me around and HBO 
still got their money.  I've seen spreadsheets on how much the cable networks 
actually cost the providers.  Pennies, literally pennies with the most 
expensive being the sports networks.
 
 True Detective is a series where the showrunner writes all the scripts and 
directs them himself.  The first season was exceptional and hopefully this one 
will be good too.   The guy wrote the first season like it was one big long 
movie and avoid the trite formula many showrunner use which is often six acts 
with a cliffhanger at the end of each episode.  Nothing really new.  The six 
act thing began when the networks wanted to have six ad breaks in an hour show. 
 Usually TV shows were two acts (commercials stuck wherever) of antecedent 
(problem arises) act one and then consequence (solve problem) act two formula. 
 
 It's funny that HBO since True Blood has been labeling shows starting with 
True.  I wonder what marketing psychologist told them that was a great idea?  
 
 On 06/23/2015 11:07 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


     _
I received a rather cryptic message from TurquoiseBee, in which he merely 
mentioned as possibly a 'last message' and all it is is a link to a video. I 
normally don't watch videos because they take too much time. I think he is 
using the song in this video to  communicate a message; he had nothing to say 
personally, so whatever he wants to say seems to be embedded in either the 
visuals or the lyrics here. 
  True Detective Season 2: Opening Credits Episode #1 (HBO)
 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Great Beyond Dispatch #2

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

thank you both...

  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FFL Post fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Great Beyond Dispatch #2
   
    
- Forwarded Message -
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
 To: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 11:01 PM
 Subject: Alex, can you make *another* post to the forum for me?
   
Alex, you have been an honorable voice in all of this, so I'm going to ask you 
for one additional favor -- can you post this update to the group? Thanks in 
advance.


Hi guys and gals,

I wanted to pass some information along to you to help with your ongoing 
discussions, not to mention your vote. I have sorta been following things on 
FFL, although not closely, so I have noticed that Doug Hamilton is *still* 
managing to stonewall everyone here and NOT give a reason why he deleted my 
access to Fairfield Life. At the same time, he has suggested strongly that he 
and Rick are in complete agreement on it (from post #417314):

Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My 
master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this 
before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the 
controls.

Well, I wish to shed a little light on this claim. Rick *finally* replied to my 
email to him, sent NOT to ask to rejoin FFL (there has been such a display of 
scumbaggery by a few here that I have serious doubts that I *would* rejoin 
FFL), but to focus on what for me is the larger issue of abuse of power. It 
took Rick several days *to* reply, and when he did (in a couple of posts), he 
made the following points:

1. He does NOT agree that FFL posters should be prohibited from criticizing 
David Lynch, as Doug attempted to enforce.

2. He does NOT agree that an FFL moderator should be able to delete a poster 
from the forum without giving a specific reason why. 

3. He has NOT been moderating the moderator and following Doug's actions *as* 
moderator. He doesn't have the time. I got the strong impression that he has 
not read a single one of the many posts surrounding this issue, and has no 
intention of ever doing so. In other words, if you're waiting for Rick to 
intervene and make a wise, informed executive decision on all of this, you'll 
be waiting forever. 

4. He does NOT know the reason that Doug deleted me from FFL. Doug has been 
stonewalling Rick, just as he has everyone else. If Rick is telling the truth 
in his emails to me (and I see no reason to disbelieve him), then Doug is LYING 
above about having been in communication with Rick about my removal. He is also 
LYING about the back and forth between Rick and himself. The truth is more as 
Alex told it -- Rick is simply *not interested* in Fairfield Life, and has 
neither the time nor inclination to follow a thread of posts and get to the 
bottom of any issue. 

5. Rick suggests that he bowed to Doug's constant demands to be made moderator 
as an experiment, and so far has had to trust him to do the right thing. Repeat 
-- he has NOT been involved in any of the decisions or pronouncements that Doug 
has made.

6. Rick specifically mentioned that he had been afraid that Doug would try to 
run things as his Buck persona, and made it clear that this was NOT what he 
wanted. Doug supposedly agreed, although I think we all know that if he did he 
was LYING to Rick about that, too.

That's all I know. I will happily make the whole email exchange available to 
Alex if he asks me to do so, so that he can affirm that I am not distorting 
what Rick said. 

I do NOT have any suggestions for those of you still on FFL, and suffering 
under the obvious attempt by a spiritual stormtrooper to take over the forum 
and shape it into his sick, twisted vision of community. I have specifically 
NOT asked Rick to reinstate me, and will not do so -- if he decides to, that 
will be his decision. 

Thanks to many people here for the great writing and the many times you have 
stood up for yourselves and done the right thing. Good luck working all of this 
out. I'm just writing you to let you know that from my perspective it really 
does look as if YOU are the ones who have to work things out -- you *really* 
aren't going to get any help from Rick on this. 

Turq / Barry


   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What in the hell are you thinking, Rick Archer? -- Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, nooz, I used the sleeping one during the night and it helped me fall 
back to sleep more quickly and easily. JaiGuruSleep (-:

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What in the hell are you thinking, Rick 
Archer? -- Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
   
 Sounds like some folks here haven't even achieved line on water yet or 
they wouldn't be worried about your posts.
 
 As for mantras.  Hoom is for kapha imbalances (it'll stimulate you), Shreem 
for Pitta (it'll cool you down) and Raam for vata (it'll calm you).  Give them 
a try for a few minutes each to see what they do.  Mantras don't belong to TM.  
These are from Ayurveda.  There are also many tribal mantras such as  Om 
Agasthi Shahina (Ōm Ah-gah´-stee Shah-ee´-nah) which helps with sleep.  You 
don't need a guru for these but they will work better for those who have been 
practicing meditation.
 
 On 06/21/2015 03:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
  


    Dear Doug, now I'm being accused of obscene  ranting.  What say you about 
these personal imprecations against me instead of the posters dealing with the 
issues?
 
 Heh -- like I'm bothered over here.  Like I'm not enjoying being over the top.
 
 If I'm typing -- it's bliss.  
 
 You want to bonk me for a true reason?  I am violating the guideline that 
prohibits someone from posting merely to archive something here as if it were 
a private database.
 
 THAT'S ME. GUILTY AS CHARGED.  I'm just showing my future mind what my past 
mind is like, and how anyone reacts to these notations is a sparrow fart in a 
hurricane.
 
 Here's some thoughts:
 
 Nine black folks still not buried and the moderator here MAYBE thinks a 
listing of mantras is to be forbidden.  I don't know where that thought came 
from, but there it is.
 
 Three million children a year dying from drinking ditch water, but here we 
talk about whether David Lynch is being properly understood.
 
 The Magna Carta lies in ruins, but here we talk about mercury in drugs that 
only the elite can afford.
 
 900 military bases around the world, but here we're encouraged to reconsider 
if Maharishi really really meant that we're not to eat root vegetables EVER or 
maybe a few now and then.
 
 50,000 industrial chemicals in air, land and water, but here we are told to 
keep our discussions polite and spiritual instead of ROARING AGAINST THE POWERS 
OF THE WORLD THAT GIVE  US THESE CHEMICALS THAT RUIN OUR MEDITATIONS BY 
PREVENTING OUR BRAINS FROM SETTLING DOWN DUE TO TOXIN-REMOVAL PROCESSES.
 
 The NSA is keeping track of the very dust motes in our inner sanctums, but 
here we have Doug is telling us to give more money to the TMO that he and 
EVERYONE knows goes straight to Girish who is a hoodlum in India.
 
 More thoughts later, dear future Edg.  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oy, LaughingG, only seen this quote in print, never heard it sung before. And 
still haven't! Prefer to keep my ears unclogged with sugar, but thanks for 
sharing LOL (-:
 

  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum 
for me?
   
    
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

snip Share: In thanks, 2 Vedic bits I love about Brahman:Far in the distance 
I see the owner of the house reverberating.  LG: https://youtu.be/VZtj5Aa1w4w. 
Now excuse me while I go puke...forgive me, I never did like those Mother 
Divine songs! Share: Which I take to mean that the person I think is the least 
like me, is actually an expression of my Self. Stops one in one's tracks...if 
one is lucky! LG: Nice verse. Not only what you think but everything...all this 
is That on the level of all experience. Those that know, don't talk, and those 
that talk, don't know. End of discussion. :)
Share: Braham says: my indestructible maya. Or as Tom Traynor may have said, 
it's all just the Divine playing peekaboo, pretending not to see itself. Just 
for the play of it.
LG: No comment. :) Share: Wishing fathers and everyone a very playful day.
LG: Thank you Share.
From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for 
me?

  Share, you caught me completely by surprise with a response...it's good to 
hear from you! It was not my intention to draw you out of lurkerdom...I also 
enjoy lurking in the shadows...sinister laugh...and really don't understand my 
fascination with this place unless it's just to see what nuggets I can glean 
from the posts...you've just offered up a few. Anyway, it's good to see old 
friends returning to the place and I'm enjoying their posts. There's a 
satisfaction...dare I say comfort...in knowing that we're not going to change 
who we are, yet it doesn't matter, because it shouldn't prevent us from perhaps 
finding some value in what each other has to say...we are always in control of 
how what we read influences us, and can turn the reaction/response switch on 
and off.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear laughingG, thank you, not the least of which, for putting me with such 
interesting, dare I say riveting, posters, the 3 Rs (-:
To my amazement, I have become a lurker, and a happy one at that. Same on the 
Peak. And the recent FFL developments fascinate me. Most everything about 
online communication fascinates me. Are all those very different voices really 
inside my own awareness? I think so. Astonishment!
If we're not at peace with a certain voice that seems to be outside us, it does 
no good to censor it. It will merely show up in our lives somewhere else. 
Better to make peace with it, with all the parts of our self.
From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for 
me?
 As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what 
every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, 
Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including 
Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I 
read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are 
writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case 
I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have 
the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond 
with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as 
it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle 
and I got the joke (Richard contributed that type of humor), etc. etc...you 
get the idea. snip 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ah ha! So the laughter in LaughingGull is sinister...very good (-:
Maybe we should call it mini lurkerdom...
In thanks, 2 Vedic bits I love about Brahman:Far in the distance I see the 
owner of the house reverberating. Which I take to mean that the person I think 
is the least like me, is actually an expression of my Self. Stops one in one's 
tracks...if one is lucky!
Braham says: my indestructible maya. Or as Tom Traynor may have said, it's 
all just the Divine playing peekaboo, pretending not to see itself. Just for 
the play of it.
Wishing fathers and everyone a very playful day.

  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum 
for me?
   
    Share, you caught me completely by surprise with a response...it's good to 
hear from you! It was not my intention to draw you out of lurkerdom...I also 
enjoy lurking in the shadows...sinister laugh...and really don't understand my 
fascination with this place unless it's just to see what nuggets I can glean 
from the posts...you've just offered up a few. Anyway, it's good to see old 
friends returning to the place and I'm enjoying their posts. There's a 
satisfaction...dare I say comfort...in knowing that we're not going to change 
who we are, yet it doesn't matter, because it shouldn't prevent us from perhaps 
finding some value in what each other has to say...we are always in control of 
how what we read influences us, and can turn the reaction/response switch on 
and off.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear laughingG, thank you, not the least of which, for putting me with such 
interesting, dare I say riveting, posters, the 3 Rs (-:
To my amazement, I have become a lurker, and a happy one at that. Same on the 
Peak. And the recent FFL developments fascinate me. Most everything about 
online communication fascinates me. Are all those very different voices really 
inside my own awareness? I think so. Astonishment!
If we're not at peace with a certain voice that seems to be outside us, it does 
no good to censor it. It will merely show up in our lives somewhere else. 
Better to make peace with it, with all the parts of our self.
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum 
for me?
 As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what 
every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, 
Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including 
Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I 
read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are 
writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case 
I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have 
the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond 
with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as 
it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

dear laughingG, thank you, not the least of which, for putting me with such 
interesting, dare I say riveting, posters, the 3 Rs (-:
To my amazement, I have become a lurker, and a happy one at that. Same on the 
Peak. And the recent FFL developments fascinate me. Most everything about 
online communication fascinates me. Are all those very different voices really 
inside my own awareness? I think so. Astonishment!
If we're not at peace with a certain voice that seems to be outside us, it does 
no good to censor it. It will merely show up in our lives somewhere else. 
Better to make peace with it, with all the parts of our self.
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum 
for me?
   
     As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what 
every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, 
Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including 
Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I 
read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are 
writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case 
I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have 
the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond 
with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as 
it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle 
and I got the joke (Richard contributed that type of humor), etc. etc...you 
get the idea. This topic has become interesting to me, and my comments are 
interpersed below:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the 
forum for me?
 J: This post is almost entirely irrelevant to the current situation on FFL. 
Moreover, it has quite a few inaccuracies. There is no reason that anyone's 
equanimity should be deliberately tested by trying to upset them. It may happen 
naturally in the course of a discussion or argument, but otherwise it's just an 
excuse to indulge one's aggression and treat them badly. X: If your equanimity 
is tested and you fail, then you realise you have more work to do in that 
regard. Before I learned TM, most of what I was engaged in was all about button 
pushing and discovering the extent of one's conditioning. It can be valuable. 
This feature of spiritual technology is heavily suppressed in the TM movement.  
LG: Perhaps all our equanimities are being tested by the Doug/Buck persona that 
Xeno mentions below. Are we passing or failing by how each of us reacts to it? 
Those that fail, is it valuable, i.e. are we learning anything from it?
snip
J: I'm not sure anybody cares which R's you would or would not have removed. 
X: Tell that to those that argued with them, or had to wade through their 
posts. LG: Now that's funny. snip
J: Doug has been under withering fire from Turq for *years*. It's no wonder he 
has personal enmity; he wouldn't be human if he didn't. He's stood up under 
it remarkably well. But Turq handed him a justification to expel him on a 
silver platter when he declared himself not subject to Doug's authority as 
moderator. What was he *thinking*?? How could there have been any question in 
his mind as to why he'd been denied access to the forum?
X: Doug is a rather strange persona in my opinion, constant spamming, often a 
complete lack of original thinking in those repetitive whining post that went 
on for all those years. With Turq gone, I am interested though in seeing if he 
comes out into the sun. There have always been signs he can think independently 
of his TMO conditioning, and that the TMO has essentially excommunicated him 
perhaps it will emerge.
LG: Could this be the Doug/Buck form of button-pushing? If it is, then you're 
getting yours pushed big time because it elicits a response from you (and 
others) to which Doug/Buck chooses to ignore. Kinda like other button-pushers 
who, when their victims take the bait by responding, drop out of the 
conversation. The button-pusher owes no one an explanation nor wants to get 
into an endless discussion that goes nowhere. So now, let's get back to the 
value of button-pushing as a test to one's equanimity...
snip J: Did anyone argue that personal attacks were always gratuitous? X: 
Personal attacks are often a response to a personal attack, they can be a 
reaction.
LG: Doesn't there have to be a nonequanimous(?) person there for a personal 
attack to have an effect?  snip
X: Turq is not here so he can no longer speak freely here, his opinions have 
been now suppressed. He has been 

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Love this story (-:

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent 
and simple gestures
   
    I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is 
very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about 
trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want. 

Take the issue of group behavior in Fairfield. For decades the TMO and 
individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them 
to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or 
getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the 
blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as spiritual as they wanted to be, in the 
*ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those 
people as a means of solving the problem. 

I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield -- 
thinks that's the way he has to solve the problem of Fairfield Life not being 
as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of 
what he's said so far about his view of what moderation is involves PUNISHING 
someone for not acting right. 

Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by 
shoveling out the dark; you add some light. 

Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that 
FFL isn't spiritual enough for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual 
spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile, 
many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number 
of spiritual topics. Go figure. 

Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve 
the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it 
deserved. The local city had already tried the Fix blame and PUNISH the 
offenders route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different 
approach:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see on FFL is Maharishi's fault

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

merundanda, there aren't enough letters in BD for me to figure out what that 
is!Perhaps purloined by Amadeus and trans muted into notes? 

  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 2:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see on FFL is 
Maharishi's fault
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

snip
 (because of certifiable short  memory and time)

And BTW, it was Jeffery Jones character Emperoro Joseph II, whosays too many 
notes in the film Amadeus not Salieri.  The story  a variation of Alexander 
Pushkin's play Mozart i Salieri (Моцарт и Сальери, 1830) and other.
Amadeus - There are simply too many notes. 
||
||||   Amadeus - There are simply too many notes.  Just 
cut a few and it'll be perfect. Which few did you have in mind? A scene from 
my favorite movie of all time.||
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Just cut a few and it'll be perfect.
Which few You have in mind..

Anotherdamn film I need to find a BD of as my DVD was letterboxedinstead of 
anamorphic.


On 05/14/2015 07:21 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

  Yeah but look who he was saying itabout.  :-)


But I understand...some peoplehave short attention spans, and can't read 
morethan 30 words. This post is for them.  :-)

  From:Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 
[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria wesee on FFL is 
Maharishi's fault

 AsAntonio Salieri would say... toomany notes!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

turq, may each of us be the dancer colluding with the extraordinary beauty of 
this very moment, a moment so immense that past and future can only and with 
gratitude, fall headlong into it...

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com    turq, such sumptuous lyrics are exactly what 
leads me to believe that poets and songwriters are, unwittingly perhaps, the 
best, or at least the most fun,  philosophers and spiritual teachers on our 
beloved Gaia. Happy Saturn's Day (-:
And how appropriate given current events on and discussions about Fairfield 
Life. Some dance to remember, some dance to forget...  :-)  
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the Hell Freezes Over tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of Whoops...here I am again...  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

 

 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Xeno, I like to think, which probably isn't really thinking (-:that the Age of 
Psychology is succumbing to the Age of Brain Development. Well, that's what I 
call it. 
I'm speculating that each of us likes, is comfortable with, a certain amount 
of sameness and a certain amount of novelty. My guess is that this has to do 
with brain development.
Tara Goleman, a wise Buddhist, uses a wonderfully humbling analogy of the 
neural pathways being like dirt roads, perhaps too well rutted in certain 
directions.
She encourages with the observation that even one firing of a new set of 
pathways, makes it more likely that the person will go that way again.
I would love to see some intrepid brain scientist take on the human behavior 
encapsulated in the word intention. Seems such a subtle and rich area for 
investigation.
 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nicely said. I find the TM teachers I know who are more deeply embedded in 
the movement are very careful about how they express themselves, and often 
cannot come up with satisfactory answers to weird questions because it is not 
in their memory database of Maharishi quotations. Particularly questions that 
come in from angles of other enlightenment systems. They fail the Turing test 
and sound like a machine. The more experienced teachers though do much better 
at this. I admit that devotion as some people seem to practice it is beyond my 
understanding. I feel some people are truly devoted, and others have to mimic 
it because that particular way of relating to the system was reinforced by 
everything Maharishi said. At some point I realised that the peculiarities of 
the movement all came from Maharishi, and there was no independent confirmation 
of those particular attitudes and ideas from other sources. 
If you search through lots of enlightenment traditions you can discover certain 
commonalities but the list is rather short, something on the order of 
quietness, curiosity, and persistence. Barry's recent post concerning the cult 
play book was pretty much spot on. A lot of cult behaviour I think is not 
really conscious as people pick it up without realising what is happening, and 
because it happened to me in more than one system, it has been a little easier 
to spot when I have gone off the rails of rationality. I like to think I was 
lucky in that I had some interesting experiences before I learned TM, and they 
helped guide me away from a lot of nonsense, but I was not completely 
successful in avoiding certain things, especially early on.
I think of enlightenment as a problem to be solved, and there is certain 
information you need and certain things you may have to do, and the trick is to 
find what works for you by learning to discriminate. It is really ironic how 
one can search for freedom and end up in a kind of mental prison, the opposite 
of the goal one sought. Perhaps it is the comfort of a certain mental sameness 
of the people around you that is the driver of the religious mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 to yahoogroups.com wrote 
:---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count 


For the sake of there beingmaterial divergent view represented on FFL given the 
hostile climatethat came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice 
ofthe tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return withpersonal 
invective... snip




Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent...snip




I don't know where we'd be without the clarity of your thinking Xeno.




Interestingly, I had dinner with a few old movement friends the other night and 
we talked for the first time about beliefs and the TMO. I had assumed they were 
well into the movement still but only because we never talk about it, all of us 
having many other interests and I wouldn't care if they were or weren't real 
TBs unless they go on at me about it and they never do so it never came up. 
That should have given it away really as the TBs we've seen here can't help but 
go on about it endlessly like they are trying to convert the world still.




Anyway, my friends were almost as sceptical as me and they all said they had a 
brief fling with true believerism but grew out of it after careful thought and 
checking how the movement worked and the how the long term program resulted in 
quite a few not so impressive cases.




I was surprised but pleased, they shared my distaste for fanatics and agreed 
with my analysis that some of them are desperate for a strong view of reality 
to hold 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

turq, such sumptuous lyrics are exactly what leads me to believe that poets and 
songwriters are, unwittingly perhaps, the best, or at least the most fun,  
philosophers and spiritual teachers on our beloved Gaia. Happy Saturn's Day (-:

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the Hell Freezes Over tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of Whoops...here I am again...  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Whoa! This is the house across the street from my house! Funny old world (-:

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield
   
    Welcome to FairfieldLife, Vaikuntha of Fairfield.Another Fairfield, Iowa 
meditator spiritual practice satsanga!
I always appreciate seeing your literature in the corner of Paradiso Cafein 
Fairfield and around.  
Welcome to the spiritual fray that is FFL at yahoo-groups and in Fairfield, 
Iowa!There can be kindness in diversity.  I hope you find kindness here.  
JaiGuruYou, -Buck
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 
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Programs every morning from 4:30 to 7:00 am and 6:30-9:00 pm daily. Afternoon 
programs on the weekends. Please call (985) 768-7060 and let us know when you 
can come.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rozenthalm@... wrote :

Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi 
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one 
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes 
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of 
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should 
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault; 
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. 

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust
   
    There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of 
karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind 
of arbiter or enforcer to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the 
effects of karma are not physical but mental.  

That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill 
someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus 
effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a 
lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else 
and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative 
level. 

That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. 

Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find 
themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller 
mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer 
mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage 
their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's 
proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as 
permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. 

 

 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :


She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what 
belief in karma actually entails?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: WereHolocaust victims paying for sins in past 
lives?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html

  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On the Nature of Internet Discussion Groups

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, if indeed everyone is already enlightened, then it doesn't matter if 
someone, like everyone, has cognitive dissonance, does it?

  From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On the Nature of Internet Discussion Groups
   
    
Every human being has original enlightenment (Japanese hongaku). According to 
Dogen, all human beings are enlightened by nature and that, consequently, any 
notion of achieving enlightenment through practice is fundamentally flawed.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :



LOL.  Change the semantics if you prefer
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time:also he hath set the world in 
their heart, so that no man can find out the workthat God maketh from the 
beginning to the end.  Ecclesiastes 3:11 



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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

I find myself wondering how many of the people who seem to be climbing on the 
This newsgroup isn't spiritual enough for me because people aren't treated the 
way they 'should' be treated here bus are believers in God. 

I would guess that almost by definition, ALL of them riding that silly short 
bus are. 

You'd kinda *have* to believe in the idea that there is an invisible being 
looking out for you (because you're so important and all)  and arranging 
reality so that it works out fairly and so that you are treated with the 
respect you think you deserve in the rest of life (again, because you're so 
important and all) to believe that this should also be true on a minor Internet 
newsgroup that almost no one reads. 

Those of us who believe that life just turns out the way it turns out and that 
there is no such thing as the way it should be have an easier time in 
Internet environments. Just as there ain't no Perfect God running things in 
outer life, there ain't no Perfect Moderator running things on Internet forums. 

Internet forums, in fact, act pretty much like a perfect model of the Buddhist 
concept of Interdependent Origination. There ain't no predicting how they'll 
turn out, because there is no Plan as to how they'll turn out. They may start 
with an idea of what the group is about and what it is supposed to discuss, 
but that changes within a month or two as the different personalities actually 
doing the discussing start exerting their will on things. 

Interdependent Origination says that the universe is essentially a form of 
consensus reality, with what we call reality being determined by the combined 
totality of all the wills of all the sentient beings in that universe. There 
ain't no Plan...there is only what happens when all these wills intersect. 
Because there is no Plan, there also ain't no right or wrong about how 
things turn out. They turn out perfectly -- a perfect mirror of the combined 
wills of ALL of the combined sentient beings -- because that's just how things 
turn out in those situations. 

Same with Internet discussion groups, as far as I can tell. It strikes me that 
Fairfield Life is a perfect representation of the differing wills of the 
differing sentient beings posting to it. Feeling as if it should be something 
other than what it is seems to be missing the whole *point*, and represents a 
longing for the fantasy of a Perfect Moderator who does not and can not ever 
exist. 

It also strikes me that those who feel that *they* should be (or are capable of 
being) the Perfect Moderator they're longing for have made a fairly fundamental 
error of judgment, and have confused themselves with their fantasies of a 
Perfect God...who *also* doesn't exist.  :-)





 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] What Constitutes a 'Spiritual Environment?'

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

the universe is a spiritual environmentevery experience is a spiritual 
experiencetruth is always presenting itself

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 12:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Constitutes a 'Spiritual Environment?'
   
    How would you define one?

I ask because recently some folks seem to feel (or at the very least act) as if 
they know fersure what a spiritual environment is, and what one is not. For 
example, a few people have bailed recently from *this* environment, citing as 
their reason (paraphrasing) that it's Not Spiritual Enough For Them. They've 
gone forth into the cyberwilderness seeking an environment that they feel IS 
Spiritual Enough For Them, and a few of these noble seekers have settled upon 
The_Peak. There is something about that forum that tempts them to believe that 
it's spiritual, whereas this one is not. 

This fascinates me because when I scan the messages on The_Peak, I find it more 
than a little boring. Really. There is a *sameness* there, a lack of 
intellectual risk-taking, a having settled vibe that I just don't get the 
attraction of. I would characterize it as having the energy of stasis, as 
opposed to the energy of movement. Not spiritual at all. 

But that's possibly because I spent some time in the Rama trip, which did not 
have quite the same definitions of what constitutes a spiritual environment as 
the TMO did. We'd meditate to music on the dance floor in Techno clubs and in 
comfy seats in Carnegie Hall, and prefer the meds in the Techno clubs. We'd 
have formal dinners at Windows On The World, back when that restaurant still 
existed. We'd go out for field trips to the movies, to museums, to places of 
power, to Disneyland. For a warped few of us, at one point our definition of 
spending time in a spiritual environment meant living in the Red Light district 
of Amsterdam and teaching mediation for free there to thousands of people, just 
for the fun of it. Different strokes for different folks. 

So when I ponder what a spiritual environment might be, please understand that 
I approach that question from a far different perspective than many here might. 
Their idea of what a spiritual environment is might be based on their 
experience of TM centers, or TMO domes, or churches, or ashrams, or New Age 
Whatever. In terms of how people interact -- and should interact -- in such 
spiritual environments, they might feel that how one is supposed to act in 
such places is similar to how they're supposed to act in a church, or an 
ashram.  

Me, I think of spiritual environments as more of a dojo -- a place in which to 
study martial arts. Thus I think of the decorum one should bring to a 
spiritual environment as similar to that one brings to a dojo. But a good dojo. 
One that produces champions. 

Bad dojos produce bad martial artists. They allow the people who study or 
practice there to believe that they're better than they are. A good dojo never 
allows that to happen, because they know that's a short path to getting one's 
ass whupped in the real world. If your punch is feeble and ineffective, you 
*don't* want someone telling you it's powerful and that you rock, because it 
ISN'T, and you DON'T. Whether you are an instructor in such an environment or a 
student, it is your responsibility to ensure that no one is allowed to believe 
that they're better than they really are. You owe it to them to tell them the 
truth, as you see it.

So the 'tude I most associate with a spiritual environment is a willingness to 
be told the truth about one's own progress. As opposed to a longing to be told 
how wonderful and skilled and advanced one is, when one...uh...isn't. 

What are the characteristics YOU most associate with the phrase a spiritual 
environment? I'm honestly curious.
The other thing I'm curious about, if anyone wants to rap about it, is this.  
If you feel that you can only have what you consider spiritual experiences in 
environments that you consider spiritual, and that you *can't* have spiritual 
experiences in environments that you *don't* consider spiritual, doesn't that 
make you LESS spiritual than someone who can have spiritual experiences pretty 
much anywhere, anytime?  :-)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Machinelike or Random?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Beautiful, Xeno. For me, resonance has to do with sensory feeling in the body, 
sensing of energy and the way it flows. Some energy feels heavy; some feels 
fiery; some feels scattered. We could say: kapha, pitta, vata.
I very much enjoy reading the clear analysis by you and Jason and others. But 
it's similar to how I can enjoy watching men play football. I enjoy watching 
but have no desire to participate further.
It' sunny today and the snow everywhere looks wonderful. Meanwhile, it is 
arctic out there and there are steps to clear, etc. Hope you're enjoying.
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
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 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 10:31 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Machinelike or Random?
   
    Share  Jason
Share, I do believe you never consider anything as a statement of logic. 
Settling for the sense of it on resonance, which is really a subtle sense of 
feeling allows one to bypass figuring out what it might mean. If beyond thought 
and feeling, that puts it beyond understanding. I myself do not think much 
about this any more, but it comes up time to time. A contradiction (con = 
against,  diction = speech) is a statement that says x is so and x is not so 
at the same time, which is nonsense.
Jason's response shows more analysis. Determinism is the doctrine that all 
events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to 
the will. While free will is the power of acting without the constraint of 
necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion. This sets 
individuality against the universe. The universe can be regarded as having 
either natural laws which mindlessly govern activity in a mechanical fashion, 
or as having an intentional stance, having a mind which determines action 
through will, such as gods are supposed to have. Individual will is an 
intentional stance that opposes universal laws or the activity of the gods. One 
can question whether the universe as a whole has will in the intentional stance 
sense, because proving gods (1 or more) exist seems out of the question. That 
nature's activity seems rather overpowering in a deterministic sense is pretty 
obvious, but why that is is not.
Quantum mechanics shows us a certain proportion of indeterminacy on a 
microscopic scale. This is not apparent on the macroscopic scale, but it seems 
to mean things will never repeat themselves in quite the same way but the 
variations on the macroscopic scale will be subtle to say the least. The 
chance, or randomness of particle interaction is not will because there seems 
to be no intention behind it, it just happens. It is also constrained 
statistically so it cannot be said to be free either.
Recent experiments with the human brain seem to show our sense of will is 
illusory, that the brain comes to make certain kinds of decisions in a 
mechanical way, and the results of this 'decision' comes into awareness after 
the fact, often seconds, as much as seven seconds after the fact. That means 
consciousness is passive, and does nothing, since it does not know what is 
happening until after the deed is done. This could hardly be said to be the 
activity of will. If anything, it is a demonstration of the effect of universal 
determinism, unless we conclude that micro quantum events introduce an element 
of chance. But has we note, chance is not a constrained by the concept of will, 
it bypasses will altogether, but is statistically constrained, which in a sense 
means its effect is at least partially determined, it is not free in the sense 
of unconstrained, its functioning is not at its own discretion. Chance has no 
mind.
So we are left with mechanical determined universal action without an 
intentional stance behind it, both for the universe and for us, but we have the 
idea in our heads, that we have an intentional stance, even if it is not really 
there. And then there is that throw of the quantum dice, which prevents us from 
ever figuring out exactly what is happening when we look deeply into the matter.
As for the concept of karmic rebound, not sure how that works or if it exists. 
If something happens, then something else happens because things are 
interconnected. I just lifted a pen off my desk, and then put it back down on 
the desk. What is the karmic rebound here? I have no idea what that would mean 
in this situation.
Suppose a universe in which each person lives, and dies, and is not immortal 
and vanishes forever at death (kind of like ours). Suppose this person commits 
a murder in this universe, and is never caught, never even suspected, and this 
person subsequently lives a happy life filled with joy until he/she dies. What 
is the karmic rebound in this situation? 

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This is a little difficult to explain, but I'll try.

When you perform an action, the karmic rebound is certain. 
However, when, where and 

[FairfieldLife] so beautiful

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so beautiful

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Glad (-:

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so beautiful

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mike, I think it's pretty amazing just as it is (-:

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 Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so beautiful
   
    M once said that one of the final experiences one has as he/she approaches 
Unity is the experience of Hiranyagarbha. It is the experience of *seeing* the 
universe from outside and at a distance, looking back on itself. It's supposed 
to look like a golden egg.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Machinelike or Random?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I heard Maharishi say: 100% determinism and 100% free will. That feels 
right to me.

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 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Machinelike or Random?
   
    You really can't have it both ways, Share. We are either free or we are 
bound. If free, then there would be no reason to employ a yoga; if bound, by 
what means can we free ourselves?

Based on the theory of karma we all get our due based on the idea that whatever 
goes up must come down. There's no human levitation because that would negate 
the law of karma, cause and effect. So, we are bound by the physical laws of 
causation - this applies to everyone in the physical as well as the mental 
world (samkaras) of human existence. 

We are what we were. This law applies to everyone without exception. 

The only way to be free is to be able to transcend the physical world of matter 
and our own mental preoccupations. In order to free oneself, you must go beyond 
mind and intellect and experience the pure consciousness (samadhi). The path 
from suffering is the introduction of the pure consciousness thru yoga. 

To rise above (siddhi) the limitations of name and form and *isolate* the 
Purusha. Otherwise, you are bound to suffer in this world by the mere fact of 
being born, living, age and death - nobody gets out of here alive, but yogis 
enjoy.


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noozguru, does it have to be either or? Can it not be both and? Or even neither?

  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Machinelike or Random?
 
 Are you machinelike or random?



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