Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
and nonpolemical, I may decide to comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Barry, I know you're upset because your hero Curtis didn't have the decisive victory you were hoping for, C: I figured

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday!

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Happy Easter Birthday for these chicks! Very appropriate timing. I looked a couple of times but haven't seen her feeding the chicks yet. For awhile there was what looked as though a whole egg had somehow rolled out from under her and was sitting at a little distance all by itself. I just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable is real. Actually, measuring (in the broadest sense) is the only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Ishtar?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Hate to say it, Salyavin, but it looks like somebody messed with your gal. Here's a photo of the same British Museum sculpture from Wikipedia: She doesn't look at all disgruntled in this photo. Wha' hoppen? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday!

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
. Still one unhatched egg, though. One of the three chicks she's feeding must have come out of the shell I saw earlier. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Happy Easter Birthday for these chicks! Very appropriate timing. I looked a couple of times but haven't seen her

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday!

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
; she's now settled down over the little beauties. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, she's feeding them, right this instant! Hubby must have brought some grub. Shame there's no microphone; it would be fun to hear their peeps. They look like they're making quite

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hard to guess how much of this from Curtis is self-deception, and how much of it is an attempt to deceive readers here. I must admit I completely missed that Curtis's objection to Feser is Feser's opposition to gay rights

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday!

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
* will be bringing in the *take-out*. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 2:36 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Mike, a minute ago she scooted out of the nest carrying something fairly substantial in her beak that she apparently deposited outside somewhere. Couldn't see what it was; could it have been

[FairfieldLife] Brain injury makes man a math genius

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
What are the implications? For the nature of consciousness, perhaps for reincarnation? First paragraph of an excerpt from the book Struck By Genius: How a Brain Injury Made Me a Mathematical Marvel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
it right at the beginning? Because philosophical thought evolves as people become aware of issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It occurs to me that I should make this additional point: If Curtis can effectively deal with the classical theism argument, he'll

[FairfieldLife] Re: Babies about to hatch!

2014-04-19 Thread authfriend
Oh, isn't she lovely! She looks like she knows something's about to happen. Maybe the chicks are beginning to tap on the shells? I'm done, let me out of here! Do send a post when they actually start to hatch. I'll keep checking too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reposted just because it seems folks need a reminder

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
This is a good one: Appeal to Ridicule Presenting the opponent's argument in a way that makes it appear absurd. Faith in God is like believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Opsie. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Something to bear in mind

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Starting the day with an Oooopsie: Barry doesn't even know what McCarthyism was: Just to point it out to those who still don't get it, highlighted below in red is another classic example of Judy's intellectual McCarthyism ploy. I have in my hand a list of detailed refutations of each of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Barry is such a buffoon. This is much funnier than he can possibly imagine. Remember, I was in constant private contact with Robin; I know why he left. (Curtis does too, but he'll never admit it.) Now ask Curtis why he left shortly thereafter, Barry. No, never mind, he'll lie. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
What annoys theists is the arrogant ignorance of the vocal few atheists (who have, of course, a much grander goal than watching theists react--they want to stamp out theism for good). I don't believe in the kind of God Barry imagines all theists agree on, so I can't answer his question

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on losers?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Of course, back in the day, the complaint was that the TMO overlooked People With Problems and focused on the secure and well-to-do. That fact appears to have been wiped from Barry's memory. Think about it. Does the TMO really spend any energy trying to market TM to regular people, who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
One of the very few unequivocally accurate statements Barry has made in this discussion: NOTHING could fit better into the description can't really be resolved one way or another than the existence of God.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
But it's perfectly OK for atheists to try to get theists to believe what the atheists do? As I've said, people are free to believe whatever they bloody well choose to believe that helps them get through the day. As I've also said, however, they cross a line when they attempt to get me to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reposted just because it seems folks need a reminder

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Er, Barry, this was one of the fallacies listed on your chart. Oopsie again. But it IS absurd, and *exactly* like believing in either Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. If you disagree, produce either of these supposed beings. Or the other one, for that matter. :-) From: authfriend

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
I can't find the Hawking post on Feser's blog. Do you perhaps have a link? He did publish a review of Hawking's book on National Review Online; could that be where you saw it? It was apparently for subscribers only. Are you a subscriber to NRO? Hawking's contention that philosophy is dead is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
understand this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I can't resist highlighting this example of Curtis's typical hypocrisy; it's so blatant: You know what you COULD have done? Presented why you find classical theism to be the strongest version of the god idea

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
If classical theism is wrong, the universe is no different, of course. Is that what you really meant to ask? Here's a question for you: Try assuming that this classical god theory is wrong and whatever it is that it does - or did - stops, or never started. In what way is the universe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
. Even your insults are parroted from someone else. To Ann:Might be the school break schedule. i have more time over the holidays. Kids were out this week. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Sorry

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
nothing, because a law like gravity is responsible for the universe. If this is it, it's wrong because...? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I can't find the Hawking post on Feser's blog. Do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Standard Curtis context-shifting. He can't respond to my point, so he shifts the context and claims it's a straw man (even though he had insisted on precisely what I addressed). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
Looks like they did write that sentence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Is this it? As I showed in my review of their book The Grand Design http://nrd.nationalreview.com/?q=MjAxMDExMjk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
to find out if anything is true. After all if you look at past science, almost none of what was done has turned out to be true. Science has replaced religious belief with a more precise version of wishful thinking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Is this it? As I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
exists, why we exist.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears they are using nothing to mean something different from the philosophical nothing of ex nihilo, in which quantum fluctuations and/or gravity would not be nothing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
An exhibition of how Curtis twists what one says: j: Curtis is indeed very sharp, and anyone who tangles with him is in for a hassle because he knows how to twist an argument into ingenious corkscrews. As I've pointed out before, one won't be able to see what he does until one has tangled

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
So I still don't know what Feser said that you thought was wrong... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's deja vu all over again! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : BTW, the review of the book I cited for Salyavin quotes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
See below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As an example, if there is a God, and He/She/It has a PLAN for all of this, how is it that all these atheists aren't part of it? Were they created by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-18 Thread authfriend
physics, maybe starting with a primer about cosmology like the first 3 minutes book I recommended earlier. That's it, I'm done with Ed Fess and his funny ideas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : So I still don't know what Feser said that you thought

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-17 Thread authfriend
definition is also metaphysical. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote (to salyavin808): 1. Remember Gould's phrase, nonoverlapping magisteria? 2. What do you mean by real? Define it, please. Perhaps you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Transcendentalism,

2014-04-17 Thread authfriend
Did you misread this, Michael? The study being criticized was a government-funded report, not a TM study. Read the first sentence again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is what the real world thinks of all your precious science about TM: Top researchers

Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!

2014-04-17 Thread authfriend
Maharishi used the analogy of a falling leaf. It doesn't go straight down but from side to side, so it takes longer to hit the ground than if it were, say, an acorn. If you were a leaf, presumably you'd have more time to appreciate the surrounding environment as you fell from layer to layer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.

2014-04-17 Thread authfriend
He did indeed, Share. It's in the back matter of his Gita translation/commentary. And I suspect he made the same point elsewhere as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm4u, didn't Maharishi once explain that by doing TM one was actually practicing all 8

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-17 Thread authfriend
I can't resist highlighting this example of Curtis's typical hypocrisy; it's so blatant: You know what you COULD have done? Presented why you find classical theism to be the strongest version of the god idea. You know, like a real discussion of ideas between people who disagree but like to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-16 Thread authfriend
: Is that it? No argument whatsoever? But then you didn't have one going in to the discussion so why would you have one at the end. Business as usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : (snip all kinds of nonsense) You do realize this is a metaphysical, not a scientific

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-16 Thread authfriend
leave the junkyard dog act here, they seem like a civilised bunch and I didn't notice any sneering, badmouthing or withering insults. Let us know how you get on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I was just about positive you wouldn't admit your assertion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-16 Thread authfriend
see you are reduced to your usual nitpicking in order to mask the fact you have no argument. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : BTW, it's Feser, not Fess. I corrected you once on this already. It's not really such a difficult name to spell. And I notice from the Ed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-16 Thread authfriend
You mean, the post where I pointed out to Salyavin that he was hanging his hat on metaphysics rather than science? BTW, I haven't noticed that Salyavin has any hesitation about paying attention to me. He did start this discussion, after all, and he sure doesn't seem as though he's ready to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-16 Thread authfriend
: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You mean, the post where I pointed out to Salyavin that he was hanging his hat on metaphysics rather than science? I was impressed, it was a damn good way of getting out of answering the question. Again. And laden with your usual insults

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
where the laws of physics are inadequate compared to theism or shut the fuck up. We're waiting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yet another atheist wannabe who simply cannot lower himself to reading enough philosophy to realize the incoherence of one of his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
Yo, Oopsie Boy, starting out on the blooper trail pretty early this morning, ain'cha? Remember, the lurking reporters are watching. You dimwit, you can't disbelieve in an idea, dumbfuck or otherwise, when you don't know what the idea is. You aren't going to get it from Salyavin,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
Tell you what, I'll take a stab at it after you've made a post here giving a complete explanation of quantum mechanics. As I pointed out to Barry just now, I've already given you the core principle of the argument--many times, in fact: Classical theists hold that what they call God is not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
What tricks?? That was your trick, buster, not mine. Came straight out of left field. You have a deeply dishonest habit of putting words in my mouth and then berating me for things I never said. What you attributed to me makes no sense. It would be like saying meteorology is inadequate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
Just a reminder; here's what he said: Either tell us where the laws of physics are inadequate compared to theism or shut the fuck up. Jeez, talk about a pointless exercise! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : What tricks?? That was your trick, buster, not mine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
P.S.: Either you just made up what you attributed to me in a malicious attempt to make me look stupid, or your thinking has been going off in the wrong direction, at least where classical theism is concerned. There is no conflict whatsoever between classical theism and science, including the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
Xeno's fine in this post. I'll just respond to Barry, because what he says requires correction. (What else is new?) This reply is also specifically for Anartaxius, and is *not* to be used as a springboard for Judy Stein to use it as an opportunity to reply to him while still pretending to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
(snip all kinds of nonsense) You do realize this is a metaphysical, not a scientific, statement, do you not? So the only way it isn't in conflict with science is because it isn't measurable. And if it isn't measurable it isn't real.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
BTW, it's Feser, not Fess. I corrected you once on this already. It's not really such a difficult name to spell. And I notice from the Ed Fess blog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-15 Thread authfriend
What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell I do believe you've quoted this from the FFL home page approvingly a number of times here. Doesn't really seem to describe your attitude toward theism, I'm afraid. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
I just love it when Barry decides to deliver the opinions we all know and love about something he hasn't read being discussed in a thread he hasn't been following. In fact, of course, one of Ehrenreich's major realizations--and reasons she wrote the Times essay and the book--was that she

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Well, no, that isn't my definition of his lack of integrity. Want to try again? This is what is called pre-biasing the audience. I suspect that the very *definition* of Randi's supposed lack of integrity is the fact that he thinks people who believe this shit are all mad.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
in this wishy-washy green that I've gone off already but can't be bothered to change... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FWIW, this was a long time ago; the Amherst course (the first World Peace Assembly) took place in 1979. For whatever reason, the TMO decided

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
believe in one god less gambit thinking it was a coherent defense of atheism did not have a complete philosophical education. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't think you know what you're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Looks like those two pieces pushed a few buttons around here... At least Salyavin bothered to read them. But he has no more acquaintance with philosophical theology or philosophy of consciousness than the Dawkins crowd. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : For

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
I'm guessing she meant assess, not access. salyavin, your mystical experience sounds quite wonderful and you say it stayed with you. In light of your scientific leanings, how do you access it now? Hormonal changes as you say? I don't access it now, it happened when I was young but the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You may want to massage this thesis a bit, Salyavin, because it doesn't make a lot of sense as you've written it. Although Curtis was a philosophy major at MIU (as I recall), he seemed to be missing a whole chunk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
oneself about that which does not exist? :-) From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 5:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous It really is astounding, Salyavin, how willing--almost eager--you are to flaunt your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Oh, and Curtis too, apparently. Not to mention the Dawkins crowd. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Ooopsie. You forgot to add that we (Salyavin and I) know of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Judy, I think Salyavin is trying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Maybe there's only one world and you usually see only part of it? Ah, I still get that stunned feeling that hits you in your gut and that sense of wonder about just...how? How there can be two worlds when I only usually see one...?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
wrote : Yawn. Wake me up when you've actually posted a strong argument for that idea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It really is astounding, Salyavin, how willing--almost eager--you are to flaunt your ignorance. See, here's the thing: If you want to make

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
would be clearer to the uninitiated if he used It instead of He. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I believe I've already explained why one god less is incoherent, in the process exposing all kinds of ideas you had about what God is said to be that are refuted

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
fabric of their own beliefs. That's be true science! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Maybe there's only one world and you usually see only part of it? Ah, I still get that stunned feeling that hits you in your gut and that sense of wonder about just...how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
you mean! That's funny! Sounds like you've got a perfect I win every argument clause, just what you always wanted! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I believe I've already explained why one god less is incoherent, in the process exposing all kinds

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
philosophy as he does? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: Here's a good place to start: http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/search?q=%22one+god+less%22 http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/search?q=%22one+god+less%22 Note: Feser does not use the male pronoun to refer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Third Opsie! for Barry today. He seems to have missed the fact that I've referred Salyavin to sources that do explain what I mean, but that Salyavin has refused to read. Which one of us is feeble-minded, again? Pretty funny charge coming from a person who lacks the intellect to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Uh, what?? You're waiting on a treatise from me on why scientific methods are inadequate compared to classical theism? That's sort of like waiting for a treatise on why a pregnancy test is inadequate compared to the Pythagorean Theorem. I'm going to stay optimistic and wait for a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
be bothered to get dragged into another yet another tedious groundhog day with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Er, no. Look, I know it's difficult for you to have your ignorance exposed like this Yawn.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
BTW, I didn't start this discussion with Salyavin; he did. (There you go, Barry, I just saved you an Oopsie.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Like Curtis, Salyavin tends to become intellectually dishonest when he encounters any kind of conflict. If anyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
Exactly what is a divinity? This is where atheists, especially those with pretensions to scientific understanding but who are deficient in philosophy, tend to get all tangled up and become incoherent, saying things like I just believe in one less divinity than you do. ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-14 Thread authfriend
is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.' — source unknown ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Exactly what is a divinity? This is where atheists, especially those with pretensions to scientific understanding

Re: [FairfieldLife] Jyotish

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
. On Sun, 4/13/14, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jyotish To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 13, 2014, 5:04 AM Oh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic cherry tree mystery

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
-plants-on-the-moon-by-2015-if-they-can-thrive-we-probably-can-too-8972642.html The trees in space is one of many from the NASA site, I chose it coz of similarites but there are loads of experiments going on or planned. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Thanks

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic cherry tree mystery

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
I fell so hard for Bruce Dern in that film. It's one of my favorites too, and I agree it's held up well. Huey, Dewey, and Louie clearly served as prototypes for R2-D2. Ah, that's one of my favourites! I remember being in tears first time I saw it. But I was only 12 so that's OK. Those

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
online. You could see if it is there. I think both David Orme-Johnson's website and MUM have it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : The study I had in mind (don't know if it was ever published, don't remember where I read about it, maybe in MSVS?) took the EEG

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russia and China announce decoupling trade from Dollar

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
Perhaps the TMO can take credit for our not having to endure what would have been Romney's policies. Oh, really? And that is your view of Obama? I remind you that when Obama was elected there was a huge celebration in the Domes in Fairfield with the TMO taking credit for his

[FairfieldLife] Studying the numinous

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Comments in this wishy-washy green that I've gone off already but can't be bothered to change... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FWIW, this was a long time ago; the Amherst course (the first World

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Judy, wonderful post. I loved Ross Douthat's article. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
and be surprised over and over at the way it affects me. It's all new to me and I find it fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Glad you enjoyed it, Emily. It certainly is an unusual pair of pieces to appear in the NYTimes! Her new book, from which she

[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous

2014-04-13 Thread authfriend
as it is. I can pick it up and open it to any place and be surprised over and over at the way it affects me. It's all new to me and I find it fascinating. authfriend as a meditator charitably writes: Glad you enjoyed it, Emily. It certainly is an unusual pair of pieces to appear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
to rule out first Ah, if only the plural of anecdote was data... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Thank you. How about his second question, do you have any comments on that? I mean, in theory, just about anything could be seen as potentially a siddhi, when

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
foolish as to not being able to read the writings on the wall. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : As we know, Barry wasn't kicked out of either group. He left of his own accord. Right. He left of his own accord rather than being kicked out. End of story

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientifically Validated

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
your mind back, this conversation is about how the TMO will use anything to promote its woo woo claims. The forest fire was another example. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I do remember that, yes. And so...what? Were you thinking I'd have endorsed that claim? Did you

[FairfieldLife] Re: What would have happened to the rioting pandits in Pakistan

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
Not to mention a faiure by the Professional Writer among us to spell-check his post... Judy will probably feel the need to point out that none of the pandits were 9 months old, so this is an attempt to lie and misleed. :-) Best line: Musa Khan

[FairfieldLife] Re: What would have happened to the rioting pandits in Pakistan

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
(grin) That would be failure, not faiure. Not to mention a faiure by the Professional Writer among us to spell-check his post... Judy will probably feel the need to point out that none of the pandits were 9 months old, so this is an attempt to lie and misleed. :-) Best line:

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, you think you can dance?

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
This is for you, Emily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBUChBG98Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBUChBG98Q Ha. It was a beautiful line from Share to Emily, I thought. No one dismisses her posts better than Share does. Well, took you long enough! I first posted

[FairfieldLife] Re: What would have happened to the rioting pandits in Pakistan

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
Yes, serial farthing was a classic of its kind, perhaps never to be outdone by anyone.. (grin) That would be failure, not faiure. Not to mention a faiure by the Professional Writer among us to spell-check his post... Still, it doesn't come close to outdoing his serial

[FairfieldLife] Cosmic cherry tree mystery

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
Tokyo (AFP) - A cosmic mystery is uniting monks and scientists in Japan after a cherry tree grown from a seed that orbited the Earth for eight months bloomed years earlier than expected -- and with very surprising flowers. The four-year-old sapling -- grown from a cherry stone that spent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic cherry tree mystery

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
in one go, normally radiational changes are destructive but who knows? Whereas most things get mutated too much and die, one gene in the right place gets zapped and two major differences occur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Tokyo (AFP) - A cosmic mystery is uniting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
When and where did he give these alleged lectures, Michael? How many were there? What's your source? was that when the big reesh was giving lectures on what a great guy Adolph was?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
://www.scholarpedia.org/article/EEG_microstates#Event-related_microstates http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/EEG_microstates#Event-related_microstates ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : (I think you meant obviously not.) I mentioned it because I thought Bhairitu might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic cherry tree mystery

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
, if they survive the cosmic rays we might. Maybe this cherry tree is has had a perfectly normal type of mutation like the four leafed clover? It just happened to be on the ISS at the time. Way beyond my meagre ken. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : What puzzles me

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ah, mother India, home of all knowledge

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
I seriously doubt anyone here defends sati, on any grounds. You know, Michael, it seems as if your fantasies of some terrible breach of human decency, as here, are as real to you as an actual breach. I am sure Buck and that idiot Nabby will find something satvic in it and defend it as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Jyotish

2014-04-12 Thread authfriend
Oh, gee, sorry to tell you, Michael, but that accusation is hurled at astrology generally, not just jyotish--usually by people who know very little about astrology, in which certain particularly intense configurations can be either very positive or very negative. transformation being the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

2014-04-11 Thread authfriend
Please note, lurking reporters, here's another one for you: No, Barry, sorry, you're lying. You can't cite even a mistake I made about the history of the TM-Sidhi courses. I had to correct you. I don't lie; I don't have to. That's your game. What I do is find and expose your lies, as

Re: [FairfieldLife] An article on the Co$ for those who are interested in cult topics

2014-04-11 Thread authfriend
One hopes you didn't tell these lurking reporters that this article reveals significant similarities between CoS and the TMO, because that wouldn't be true. The folks here who know what the TMO is really like would just laugh, but outsiders might not know enough to recognize such an attempted

[FairfieldLife] The Skeptic Ouroboros

2014-04-11 Thread authfriend
Being a skeptic is hard. It’s not easy to try to weigh evidence for everything, be methodical, critical, aware of bias, and come to a conclusion that you’re willing to drop if better evidence comes along. Worse, many times the things you are being skeptical of are cherished beliefs and values

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