[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle Tantra is incorrigible. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. You are just going to town. A welcome relief, I guess. Easy Barry, easy. Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters. We get your faux outrage. This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM bashing. Other than that, I don't think you give a damn. Settle back down. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : -- salyavin808@... wrote: --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... -- salyavin808@... wrote: Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a room with a crazy person any longer. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed... Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle. ...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay Blue, thanks for the advice. But wasting my life? I think I fall into the Ann camp. I find Barry to have, shall we say, his own fair share of blind spots, which of course is not a problem, except that he is so intent on pointing out in others, what he feels are their deficiencies. Oh, and by the way, I did enjoy Jim's portrayal of Barry's trip to the ice box. A good example, I think, of one of those blind spots of Barry's. But, I do appreciate the concern. (-: --- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. I remember you relaxed and logical many years ago. Uncle Tantra is incorrigible. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sure what you've written below, Barry, is the usual, but my God, what pent up demand there must be when there is not an opening for the usual. You are just going to town. A welcome relief, I guess. Easy Barry, easy. Enough with the posturing for the lurking reporters. We get your faux outrage. This issue has importance for you only in the sense that you can do some TM bashing. Other than that, I don't think you give a damn. Settle back down. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : -- salyavin808@... wrote: --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... -- salyavin808@... wrote: Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. Exactly. The *only* measure of quality he seems to employ is If it agrees with what I've been told to believe...then it is good, and correct. The most disturbing thing about John (jr_esq, not Hagelin, but him, too) is that they no longer even *realize* how non-scientific they've become when they spout what they now believe is science. Put either of them in a room with real scientists and let them express the things they believe in, and the real scientists would have them pegged as crackpots within five minutes. After 20 minutes, the real scientists would running for the door, so as not to be stuck in a room with a crazy person any longer. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed... Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe works are more complex than the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Colloidal silver (Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?)
--- sharelong60@... wrote : turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of duality. As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this. Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear. Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day (-: May I know why you are taking that? Did any healer prescribe it to you? fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Ok, let's deal with YOUR issue here. You called me the 12 year old a couple of days ago. It's these kind of snide remarks that neutralise, all the good points you make, and turns things here sour. If you keep your criticisms impersonal, you would certainly be the most brilliant poster here. (Judy is guilty of this as well). Your constant harping, about you ignoring certain people is a source of irritation. I too ignore quite a lot of people here, but I never mention it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Peanuts - Snoopy's novel
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[FairfieldLife] Beetle Bailey - change theme
Speaking of war-related trauma, Beetle Bailey seems to have taken a rather abrupt turn. After 50 years of living in some kind of peacetime paradise, ... http://joshreads.com/images/11/04/i110419bb.jpg http://joshreads.com/images/11/04/i110419bb.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: (399652) The Happiest school in San Francisco
http://assets.fundoofun.com/wallpapers/Cartoons/800x600/guru_small.jpg http://assets.fundoofun.com/wallpapers/Cartoons/800x600/guru_small.jpg --- mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. --- infor cwae infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
[FairfieldLife] The inspiration for the internet?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
http://intellguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/government-corporation-regulation-cartoon.png http://intellguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/government-corporation-regulation-cartoon.png --- noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Image if your local police department reported a murder as someone shot the person. Case closed That's almost what the 9-11 official story is like. You would have been well advised not to use RationalWiki which skeptics don't even like. Those of us who think there is something more to a case than reported don't call ourselves conspiracy theorists. That term has come about and used by PSYOPS to discredit us since the JFK assassination which I don't think Oswald had anything to do with because he had a cheap gun and was seen in the lunch room at the book depository when the assassination took place. He was a convenience patsy due to his activities. If Ruby had not shot him it might have come out that he got framed. Jeez, everyone knows Elvis shot JFK. It's hardly news. Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any visibility such as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided. Some of the nutty stuff you will find in conspiracy theorist are PSYOPS trying to poison the well lest the truth be known. Just think if we could prove beyond a doubt that 9-11 was indeed an inside job and who the perps were how confidence in our government would fall, not that it isn't anyway. And we have long had little confidence in our corporations and banks which these days run like gang operations. After reading the articles Barry posted I was going to write something about how conspiracy theories are probably created by the government to distract everyone from what a crap job they actually do at running the country. Be nice to think there was someone in power who could organise a job that big, we can't even make a computer system to link up health districts without the ministry going bankrupt and abandoning it. The USA is a very dirty place. It was that way from it's inception because some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their workers to have rights and some wanted the US to still be beholding to Britain. Our democracy is an illusion and the king makers hate anyone who points that out. A lot more people would have probably taken to the streets during the Occupy Movement but they feared losing their jobs. We live in a country of increasing have nots, people who have lost even their simple pleasures of life because a plan to put all but a few in austerity. So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history and just react emotionally. I guess some folks want to live in a simple world of Santy Claus and Easter Bunnies. Both of which are inventions, just like the conspiracies. What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people that run the US that you actually think they would murder thousands of their own people for reasons best known to themselves. Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me. I'm not alleging that our politicians conspired to pull off 9-11. It's a shadow government that many people in the US believe exists (and probably many folks in the UK believe about your own government). Killing thousands would rile up Americans (and believe me the days following they were insanely riled) to support anything the government asked if it involved retaliation. So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go off and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq. Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi Arabia instead? Something wrong with that picture? BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were told to stay home that day. There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story goes that the government knew about it but let it happen because it would be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which completely coincidentally can also be used to harass innocent people whenever the state feels like it. The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag. These types of operations have been around for centuries but I guess that history wasn't your favorite subject? I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical politicians get it's their own friends and family that might get blown up. You don't seem to have that sort of human link, sure the govt in the US has blood on its hands but the 9/11 conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. It isn't a quantitative thing at all. See my above comment. I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something unbelievable happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything to make it make sense that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous a bunch of religious fruitcakes can walk
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
--- Duveyoung@... wrote : Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false flag for 9-11. What a bunch of blinkered fools we are. Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a crack and admit one thing: the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any form upon anyone no matter the legal framework. Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin someone's life. And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand that is just AS BAD. Case in point: I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other officers. Not a headline. (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public. No charges, let the guy go the next day.) But see? This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga. Even our heroes will be found to be tilted in this age. Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the legal requirements during the murder at MUM. Those were saints, right? Even inside them was the I get to do whatever shit I want to dynamic. Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money laundering and smuggling, etc. Young pundits and anybody from TMO, returning to india, each person would be given particular quantity (legal) of gold. As soon as the plane lands in india, TMO henchmen would be waiting there to collect the gold, load the pundits on to the waiting van, and off they go. So much gold was brought in, that they decided to make jewellery and sell the gold. The TMO's finances are so murky the you would never have the clear idea what happened to all the money. I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere. Give someone a gun and they're looking for game cuz they're on safari, donchaknow. To sum: how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside a 9-11 tower? Almost any cop, any soldier. Deal with this fact. It's the truth. Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: (399652) The Happiest school in San Francisco
All great billionares have said that wealth that came from society should go back to society. In that sense the economic system should mirror the eco-system. The point is only capitalism has the capability to actually generate wealth. The paradox of communism is that disciplined regulated consumpion is neutralized by wasteful inefficient production processes. The paradox of capitalism is that efficient production is cancelled out by wasteful crass consumerism. Crass consumerism leads to crass commercialism. Crass commercialism leads to hyper-exploitation of resources, hyper-advertisments. --- LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, MMY never advocated renouncing wealth. In fact, he carefully marketed TM as a technique for householders -people for whom wealth was important because they were interested in physical comfort, raising kids in a comfortable and safe environment, etc. According to theory, the excesses of amassing wealth for its own sake would tend to fade with TM practice, being a symptom of a stressed out nervous system (even the amassing of wealth for its own sake is arguably a stressful thing, making wealth-obession a stress-related illness that TM should help fix directly). L --- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : http://assets.fundoofun.com/wallpapers/Cartoons/800x600/guru_small.jpg http://assets.fundoofun.com/wallpapers/Cartoons/800x600/guru_small.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Yuval Noah Harari - We fight for illusions
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/11/sapiens-brief-history-humankind-yuval-noah-harari-review Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari -- review A swash-buckling account that begins with the origin of the species and ends with post-humans by Galen Strawson The Guardian, Thursday 11 September 2014 07.30 BST Human beings (members of the genus Homo) have existed for about 2.4m years. Homo sapiens, our own wildly egregious species of great apes, has only existed for 6% of that time -- about 150,000 years. So a book whose main title is Sapiens shouldn't be subtitled A Brief History of Humankind. It's easy to see why Yuval Noah Harari devotes 95% of his book to us as a species: self-ignorant as we are, we still know far more about ourselves than about other species of human beings, including several that have become extinct since we first walked the Earth. The fact remains that the history of sapiens -- Harari's name for us -- is only a very small part of the history of humankind. Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari Can its full sweep be conveyed in one fell swoop – 400 pages? Not really; it's easier to write a brief history of time -- all 14bn years -- and Harari also spends many pages on our present and possible future rather than our past. But the deep lines of the story of sapiens are fairly uncontentious, and he sets them out with verve. For the first half of our existence we potter along unremarkably; then we undergo a series of revolutions. First, the cognitive revolution: about 70,000 years ago, we start to behave in far more ingenious ways than before, for reasons that are still obscure, and we spread rapidly across the planet. About 11,000 years ago we enter on the agricultural revolution, converting in increasing numbers from foraging (hunting and gathering) to farming. The scientific revolution begins about 500 years ago. It triggers the industrial revolution, about 250 years ago, which triggers in turn the information revolution, about 50 years ago, which triggers the biotechnological revolution, which is still wet behind the ears. Harari suspects that the biotechnological revolution signals the end of sapiens: we will be replaced by bioengineered post-humans, amortal cyborgs, capable of living forever. This is one way to lay things out. Harari embeds many other momentous events, most notably the development of language: we become able to think sharply about abstract matters, cooperate in ever larger numbers, and, perhaps most crucially, gossip. There is the rise of religion and the slow overpowering of polytheisms by more or less toxic monotheisms. Then there is the evolution of money and, more importantly, credit. There is, connectedly, the spread of empires and trade as well as the rise of capitalism. Harari swashbuckles through these vast and intricate matters in a way that is -- at its best -- engaging and informative. It's a neat thought that we did not domesticate wheat. It domesticated us. There was, Harari says, a Faustian bargain between humans and grains in which our species cast off its intimate symbiosis with nature and sprinted towards greed and alienation. It was a bad bargain: the agricultural revolution was history's biggest fraud. More often than not it brought a worse diet, longer hours of work, greater risk of starvation, crowded living conditions, greatly increased susceptibility to disease, new forms of insecurity and uglier forms of hierarchy. Harari thinks we may have been better off in the stone age, and he has powerful things to say about the wickedness of factory farming, concluding with one of his many superlatives: modern industrial agriculture might well be the greatest crime in history. He accepts the common view that the fundamental structure of our emotions and desires hasn't been touched by any of these revolutions: our eating habits, our conflicts and our sexuality are all a result of the way our hunter-gatherer minds interact with our current post-industrial environment, with its mega-cities, airplanes, telephones and computers … Today we may be living in high-rise apartments with over-stuffed refrigerators, but our DNA still thinks we are in the savannah. He gives a familiar illustration – our powerful desires for sugar and fat have led to the widespread availability of foods that are primary causes of unhealthiness and ugliness. The consumption of pornography is another good example. It's just like overeating: if the minds of pornography addicts could be seen as bodies, they would look just like the grossly obese. At one point Harari claims that the leading project of the scientific revolution is the Gilgamesh Project (named after the hero of the epic who set out to destroy death): to give humankind eternal life or amortality. He is sanguine about its eventual success. But amortality isn't immortality,
[FairfieldLife] The world before Google and internet
The world before Google and internet http://www.zamson.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/life-before-google-500x496.jpg http://www.zamson.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/life-before-google-500x496.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QstUNDVHymc/TU9SrT4n5FI/Ahk/KLuSVMfWJ8s/s1600/social%2Bnetworking.bmp https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QstUNDVHymc/TU9SrT4n5FI/Ahk/KLuSVMfWJ8s/s1600/social%2Bnetworking.bmp http://liberonet.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/world-before-social-550x500.jpg http://liberonet.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/world-before-social-550x500.jpg http://www.comics.wombania.com/cartoons/2013-05-23-life-before-the-internet.png http://www.comics.wombania.com/cartoons/2013-05-23-life-before-the-internet.png http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e7/15/93/e7159321232a2eeaee2368250ce27495.jpg http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e7/15/93/e7159321232a2eeaee2368250ce27495.jpg http://acpladult.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/prehistoric-googling.jpg?w=500 http://acpladult.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/prehistoric-googling.jpg?w=500 http://api.ning.com/files/zAECsrr7CFQXV94F27w*ynHSxsr4R8IziA6Gmjk9MJHq7LJUflz7BRrQm1ZEHlD45DT7SyuFEwp50G74BCnaCxOQd-CWJUGM/computer23.jpg http://api.ning.com/files/zAECsrr7CFQXV94F27w*ynHSxsr4R8IziA6Gmjk9MJHq7LJUflz7BRrQm1ZEHlD45DT7SyuFEwp50G74BCnaCxOQd-CWJUGM/computer23.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynisting/files/2013/05/218863_1829061123648_1153920770_31704147_5306920_o.jpg http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynisting/files/2013/05/218863_1829061123648_1153920770_31704147_5306920_o.jpg --- sharelong60@... wrote : turq, the compassion IS the payoff. This is in response to your sentence: That would be more compassionate, after all. It's just that there is so little PAYOFF... From: curtisdeltablues@... Atheists do not have to define what they do not believe in. They take the definitions from the believers and find them wanting. Yours included, to the degree that you have spelled out what it is. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : As usual, Curtis, I am in awe of your ability to interface with idiots as if they were actually worth the time. I keep getting stuck on the idiot part. To me, if a person believes in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect, that's kinda like the Trifecta of Idiocy. You can't actually become much more of a loser than that. :-) M: Well to be fair, there is nothing I have read hear (Nabbie included) that I didn't wholeheartedly embrace at one time in my life. I don't think of my past self as being an idiot, just a practicer of fallacious reasoning. I was just wrong about almost everything I believed. Simply and earnestly wrong. Kinda humbling really. I guess you're right about that. I had left the TM movement before they started all the Maharishi Effect crap, so I didn't have a chance to buy into that, but I definitely spent money on astrologers once. I never really had any feeling for the existence of a God, either, but I played the game by using that terminology when it was called for in TM talks. But I definitely did and believed a bunch of things that qualified me as an idiot back in the day, so I should try to remember them when dealing with those who are still living in those mindstates. That would be more compassionate, after all. It's just that there is so little PAYOFF in dealing with people who still believe these things. They just go round in circles and then come back to the very things they started with. Their thinking seems to be as non-rigorous as it is circular.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kRLZxm3JXkw/VEO_nf_6CcI/A4o/yduhXKVm7A8/s710/epicurus_777.png https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kRLZxm3JXkw/VEO_nf_6CcI/A4o/yduhXKVm7A8/s710/epicurus_777.png --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis, as jr. says, you guys say there is no God. Its not like it is ambiguous. From: curtisdeltablues@... M: But I don't say this. I say I see no reason to believe in one. There is a huge difference between these statements. I am amazed that I cannot communicate this difference effectively because it keeps coming back misstated. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : I keep trying to explain this to you, Curtis. You cannot convey this simple difference to Jim and John BECAUSE THEY'RE IDIOTS WITH BRAINS THE SIZE OF A PEA. :-) Here, let me demonstrate. I shall make a statement about what I actually believe. Then wait to see how long it takes one or both of these idiots to come back claiming that I said the exact opposite: I do not believe that there is any need to either hypothesize the need for a God, or to believe in the existence of one. I do NOT declare that There is no God, because that seems to be obvious. Even those who claim to believe in one can't produce him/her/it. Now, how long will it take before these two mental midgets transform what I said above into me declaring my absolute belief that there is no God and thus demonstrating that atheism is my religion? I admire Curtis his patience at dealing with these mental midgets, but I don't have that level of patience. I'd rather just point out how idiotic their beliefs are, ask them once again to PROVE their beliefs, and then sit back and watch. Unlike Curtis, who seems to think that he can actually communicate to these two numbnuts, I have no such illusions. Within a couple of days (probably less), they'll be back claiming the same things about what I supposedly believe that they always do, which is always 180 degrees opposite from what I actually believe. You really just CAN'T deal rationally with minds this weak. So I've given up trying...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Correction (Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...)
Correction. Here below is the corrected pic. Holy shit, I think I am getting old and my mind, hands and legs are failing me. Bear with me folks. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oi6BP5yY2y0/VESzlSmsJJI/A5k/AYns4JO0ZWc/s710/epicurus_778.png https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oi6BP5yY2y0/VESzlSmsJJI/A5k/AYns4JO0ZWc/s710/epicurus_778.png --- blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kRLZxm3JXkw/VEO_nf_6CcI/A4o/yduhXKVm7A8/s710/epicurus_777.png https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kRLZxm3JXkw/VEO_nf_6CcI/A4o/yduhXKVm7A8/s710/epicurus_777.png --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis, as jr. says, you guys say there is no God. Its not like it is ambiguous. From: curtisdeltablues@... M: But I don't say this. I say I see no reason to believe in one. There is a huge difference between these statements. I am amazed that I cannot communicate this difference effectively because it keeps coming back misstated. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : I keep trying to explain this to you, Curtis. You cannot convey this simple difference to Jim and John BECAUSE THEY'RE IDIOTS WITH BRAINS THE SIZE OF A PEA. :-) Here, let me demonstrate. I shall make a statement about what I actually believe. Then wait to see how long it takes one or both of these idiots to come back claiming that I said the exact opposite: I do not believe that there is any need to either hypothesize the need for a God, or to believe in the existence of one. I do NOT declare that There is no God, because that seems to be obvious. Even those who claim to believe in one can't produce him/her/it. Now, how long will it take before these two mental midgets transform what I said above into me declaring my absolute belief that there is no God and thus demonstrating that atheism is my religion? I admire Curtis his patience at dealing with these mental midgets, but I don't have that level of patience. I'd rather just point out how idiotic their beliefs are, ask them once again to PROVE their beliefs, and then sit back and watch. Unlike Curtis, who seems to think that he can actually communicate to these two numbnuts, I have no such illusions. Within a couple of days (probably less), they'll be back claiming the same things about what I supposedly believe that they always do, which is always 180 degrees opposite from what I actually believe. You really just CAN'T deal rationally with minds this weak. So I've given up trying...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... Well said Barry - and I agree with every word --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It's NOT that I'm saying that seeking spiritual experiences ISN'T valuable. I'm just pointing out that almost no one in history has ever stepped up to the plate and made an objective, scientific case for what that value might be. It depends on what one wants in life. Let's say that there are basicaly two paths, left path and right path. If the left path is a one way trip, the right path is cyclical trip. The BG mentions it as sun path and moon path. Most teachers or seekers just *assume* that these experiences they have or claim to have had are valuable, but when called upon to do so, they can't really produce any strong arguments for WHY they are valuable, or WHAT that supposed value is. I'm suggesting that this oversight is epidemic in the world of spiritual practices, the elephant in the room that no one ever talks about. The people promoting these practices just *assume* that these experiences they're having or seeking are *worth* having or seeking, and debate the supposedly best ways of achieving them. But I don't know of very many who have taken that step back, beyond the assumption, and have tried to make a case for WHY they're so intent on achieving these things. What is it that they hope to achieve, and WHY would others want to do so? Answers such as, Well, I want to have these experiences because Jim Flanegin said that I would be a low-vibe slime until I had them the way he has do not count. :-) :-) :-) It's the same problem I see with religion in general. The people urging others to join their religions don't seem to ever offer any real-world, payoff-in-this-lifetime reasons for doing so. They just *assume* that there is a payoff, and try to bluff their way through without ever specifying what it is. Millions and millions of seekers over the ages, and almost none of them have ever come up with a real *value* for all this seeking they're devoting their lives to. I'm NOT suggesting that there isn't one, just pointing out that no one ever seems to talk about it if there is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--- punditster@... wrote : It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. What happened - I thought you guys all read Sam Harris' book. Go figure. Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a belief in God is a form of mental illness. How does that work? Nobody seems to want to talk about Barry's beliefs in reincarnation and levitation, for which there is no physical evidence. It looks like everyone is very interested in metaphysics, but not very interested in physics or logic. Go figure. This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the non-weapon part, of an exclusively weapons project, in which one of them was denied security clearance. --- punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such experiences valuable. There are certain things I like, certain things I do not, and I go for the ones I like. While I do not know why, those things I like I sometimes like to share with others. A piece of music, a movie. Why did you post about Bruce Cockburn's music, his book? I am not sure there is any reliable objective measure why one likes something other than a general propensity to avoid pain and to maintain comfort. Now if you recall Maharishi said the mind seeks a greater field of happiness. Because he was hawking TM, he skewed the concept to correspond with his metaphysic (the transcendental field, the unified field). You do not need a field. Basically I think it comes down to you like stuff, and don't like other stuff. The rationalisations come later. If there is any objective evidence for that previous sentence it might be split brain experiments. When one side of the brain of people with this condition are asked to explain why the other side of the body did something, it makes up an explanation. Thewhole spiritual trip is a post hoc explanation fabricated to explain why something you like, in this case some kind of meditation for example, or the experience that is supposed to result from that, should be valuable to someone else. Spiritual endeavours are really quite a complex bother, all these things that one has to practice or think about, so to get someone to get involved in it really requires a real snow job. You have to bury them with advertising about how great things will be if they do this. You need an intellectual framework to explain why doing such atypical things will benefit. To get someone to come around to your ideas about what you like, it may not matter if it doesn't really work. You make up this because you are socially wired to a certain extent, and a successful social interaction results in feeling good. So there really is not much of a reason for saying such experiences as spiritual experiences are valuable, you hawk them that way, just as you would a certain artist, a good restaurant, a walk on a nice evening. Because social interactions are on an individual level, I would say the ego is involved, that level of personal identity that thinks it is running the show. The ego provides the explanations. From a scientific level, the experiments that indicate the brain comes to decisions often as far as 7 or 8 seconds prior to that decision comes into conscious awareness. That would mean you are not really in control of anything. Life goes on this and that way. Stuff happens, you think you do stuff. Hawking TM or hawking Bruce or hawking Hawking resuls in satisfaction. Whatever floats your boat. Asfor experiences of unboundedness, I really don't think of them that way any more. The spiritual trip is the strangest con in the universe. Suppose I put it this way: How would you like to be exactly the way you are for as long as you are? This is what I am offering you. It will take you about 40 or 50 years, and you will have to do all these different things, adopt crazy ideas, do exercises, sit quietly, eat special foods, take weird medicines. Want to jump in an try this out? In order to get people to do what you like, you have to be more devious in your enticements. Itall comes down to 'I like this, and I want you to like it too'. Psst, I have some secret stuff that other people do not know, and if you let me tell you, and you do what I say, you will be able to say every day 'I'm gonna help people! Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me!
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL, Hating, Turq, Ethics, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
The TM-org projects an image as if it's honest, ethical, scientific, objective. But in reality it's dishonest, lying, cheating, superstitious, un-scientific organisation. It's very much like some people who project themselves to be honest, ethical, impartial, objective, and yet later they turn out to be, dishonest, unethical, deceitful, insincere. The problem with net interaction is it takes years to find that out. --- mjackson74@... wrote : my position is to call a spade a spade. What makes you think the people who learned their craft from Marshy who was a con artist and liar, who taught them that they were and are above the laws of man and considerations of ethical behavior because they are the custodians of supreme knowledge and are privy to a magnificent view of the universe that the rest of us are too coarse and ignorant to see would ever change what has been working for them all these decades? You are hanging onto a fantasy that will never be fulfilled. The TMO, its leaders, its mid level and low level managers all behave with that energy that Marshy taught them works - and none of it has ever done a thing for the people of the world, regardless of those who believe the very fact of getting a mantra is some big deal. To illustrate, I offer you a piece of writing my friend Bill sent me after I sent him the Gina Catena audio. I think Bill makes some cogent points, albeit from a Christian point of view. I have a friend who over the past 10 years or so pulled himself out of a marriage to a mentally ill and abusive wife. It took a lot of counseling for him to recognize his situation, but he finally extricated himself and his teenage daughter from this situation. One of the things he told me he learned from this experience is that families can become “cults”. When you hear Gina Catina’s story, you realize that the TMO provides fertile ground for the most dysfunctional sides of families to express themselves and thrive. The same kind of things can happen in Christendom, when a vision of “sanctification” becomes a thing of worship to the exclusion of common sense spirituality. I was thinking today that most of the problems of the TMO came from the attempt to move beyond the original intention to simply provide a meditation technique. The TMO tried to provide a foundation on which to build community, completely ignoring and rejecting the traditional foundation - organized religion and all it stands for. The social context that Christianity provides is a model of spiritual growth through giving selflessly of oneself based on the example of Jesus, whereas in the TMO this basic social context is absent. The TM context is based on a selfish pursuit of self development at all costs. At the top of the TMO is a man who achieved something by sitting in a cave and having people take care of him. This has it place and its own value, but doesn’t translate into a foundation for a social system. In spite of all the talk of dynamic activity, it doesn’t translate. The ultimate message is one of disassociation of yourself not only from the activities of the world, but also from relationship with each other. Compound that with a belief system where the man at the top is a perfect human being, and you have fertile ground for all kinds of dysfunction. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic indicator of organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM, the Maharishi and the meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past leadership be malleable if the new TM movement has changed its ethical code and behavior? Or, are you locked in to your feelings and opinion? Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of change [movement] in the new TM movement. Does that kind of healthy change dismay your position? Kindly, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we really all alone?
UFO shoots at missile (CNN) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M UFO shoots at missile (CNN) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M This is on CNN and shows an objest firing on a missile on a missile test... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M Preview by Yahoo --- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote : We are alone in the universe: Professor Brian Cox says alien life is all but impossible as humanity is 'unique' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html We are alone in the universe: Professor Brian Cox says a... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html The presenter and scientist blames a series of 'evolutionary bottlenecks' for the lack of extraterrestrial life on other planets, despite there being a vast... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html Preview by Yahoo I'm kinda with the prof here, but we don't know enough of the variables to be able to say it with any certainty. One thing is for sure though: there's no intelligent life in the Daily Mail comments section...
