---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Although I'm posting more, because the two trolls are gone, I gotta mention
that it seems almost everyone here is still dissin' on each other for various
infractions. This includes my beloved sacred hero, Curtishee
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em are
doing it.
(I'm not talking about *sexual* harassment, BTW, just continued annoying dumb
attacks, typically gratuitous.)
Me: There are no attacks and no
Thanks for keeping the thread alive Michael. We have a fascinating power
dynamic in play here that students of cult bullshittery like us can have some
fun dissecting.
Buck/Doug felt abused by the TM group when they yanked his badge for not
following their rules about seeing other saints.
I'll take a crack...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
If all the buzzings of a brain are 100% obedient to the laws of chemistry and
physics, where's the free will?
Old question. Still bothers me. If it's all determined, then it's moot to
suss out
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Here's my take, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Ravi posted, and no one probably thought much about it.
However, you reminded the denizens that Ravi had been banned, and so, it would
follow, that if someone had been
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
quite an exaggeration, I'd say.
we know negativity, and we know what an edge is. everyone likes edge, no one
lines trolling.
it sounds Curtis, like you have a fervent wish for Doug to turn into the
tyrant, he shows no sign
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
quite an exaggeration, I'd say.
we know negativity, and we know what an edge is. everyone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Curtis, we've done this dance before, and my toes still hurt!
Please believe me when I say I had to read Nisargadatta's I Am That three
times before my intellect felt like he was logically consistent. Each page
seems
That was fascinating, thanks for the heads up Alex.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
Actually, just this morning, Doug did his first exertion of editorial control
by deleting Ravi's Barry - here's the gameplan thread. Granted, I can
understand why he
Thanks for posting this Alex. Perhaps Buck/Doug will share the rational here
so we can understand which of his interpretation of the previously never
enforced vague Yahoo guidelines Barry violated.
In the spirit of Barry's sense of humor here I think the only appropriate thing
to do now is
Just added to my Dead Pool list for oppositional opinion:
4. Xeno
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
It would appear a dark, medieval consciousness is beginning to take over
Fairfield Life, in the likeness of the Transcendental Meditation Organisation's
tyrannical
FFL reflected Rick's open mindedness and respect for adults voicing their
opinion in dramatic contrast to the group that most of us were involved with. I
consider this latest change to be a version of FFL suicide by appointing
Buck/Doug to kill off all opposing views. Once freedom of expression
I found this to be a revealing post about how Doug and I differ concerning
information and contrasting POV's here on FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear 4U, I appreciate your taking the time to post this here. There are a
number of contributors here who
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
(snip)
But your support for him has eliminated you from the FFL dead pool so in the
end your choice my be the wise one here if you still care to post.
I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
I'm rushing a bit. Sorry about that.
I can see your point about Richard and Barry. Yes, two different situations.
Me: Thanks for saying that.
Seve:Barry stated on many occasions that nothing would keep him from his
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion.
Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some
sort?
Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Yeah, pretty hard to manufacture a convincing counterargument, ain't it?
Me: Keep digging Ms Doubledown...You are extending my joy.
The *fact* is that what Doug wrote isn't explicit either way.
Me: Says the person who
Et tu Edg?
So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it
is OK?
Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true.
It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right
now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth,
Lumping together R and Barry is not accurate Steve. R didn't get bounced for
being a troll, he violated a much more serious rule, was banned for it once and
then came back and did it again, and then continued it on the Peak. He was much
more than a guy who starts arguments on the Internet. If
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
(snip)
So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are
making up their own to cover this glaring gap.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Thanks for your feedback.
Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from.
I think most of us do.
As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was
just weak cover to get rid of someone who was
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Curtis deliberately misrepresents what I said in an effort to switch the
context his way. Again, standard.
My conclusion about why Turq got bounced was that he declared he was going to
ignore anything Doug posted. Kind of like a
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I ask ya, cuz, when I first got up off the floor, I was pretty fixated on
anti-spirituality -- more than I could really justify. Truth be told, you seem
to be in a similar fix -- just can't cut spirituality a break, and with
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Curtis - you really need to stop this malice and deception please. I don't
have the time or energy or the inclination to post here and re-hash old issues
from 4 years back. The fact of the matter is Ravi didn't cause you
Edg,
I was not in Barry's crosshairs and you were. I never viewed you through his
eyes. You and I became friends on our own as we sized each other up as good
people. So I am not judging you for your opinion of him nor him for his opinion
of you. That is between you two guys and is none of my
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to
clarify (as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here)
Me: Bit of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :Just to clarify
(as Curtis seems unable to comprehend a particular point here)
Me: Bit of unnecessary condescension. I can comprehend points just fine, I just
had not seen your post.
A: Rick approached Buck to see if he was
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
The other part of Ann's post was that Rick told her he had been bombarded with
complaints (presumably from more than one person) about the unpleasantness on
FFL.
Me: I wonder who these complaints were directed toward?
Judy:
Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my concerns about
Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it is OK to use Doug's
real name officially. Much appreciated.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In
Doug, thanks for taking the time to fully explain your new role here. I am
certainly more comfortable interacting with an actual person rather than an act
so this change is welcome. I will intersperse my comments below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
CDB, I am
Excellent distinctions! I think I could tighten up a bit in my own use of the
term.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote (to Curtis) :
That personalized invasion of your privacy was a low point on FFL
Thanks for taking the time for such a complete reply. It seems that there are
many ways to view our subjective existence while we are alive and this view
changes over time and exposure to how others think about it. We are endlessly
imaginative creatures and it creates beauty as well as much
I object to this overreach of moderator power into content censorship by a
blatant misread of the explicit intention of this guidline. The guideline
applies to members of the list, and David lynch is not a member, he is a public
figure. He is not being degraded because he will never read this
Hey Barry,
I don't know what Doug's role in this was except it was after the fact of me
emailing Rick.
Funny troll graphic with non English speaker spelling.
Thanks for understanding the need to be careful not to stir what must be kept
in the ground.
The Doug as CEO (his term) of FFL seems
Here is how it went down. R was phishing for my professional name. I told him
that I keep my names separate on social media to prevent casual searches from
combining my business and personal life. He responded by posting my personal
Facebook page to out my real name AGAIN.
While this was going
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
We do too.
Willytex is one of the very few few people here I won't miss because he really
did just come here to stir trouble. What he got out of it is anyone's guess.
I've been calling for Rick and Alex to set him
Imagine my surprise...
So my question is, who exactly is the person Rick put in charge of protecting
and enforcing the civility here, the faux persona Buck or the actual person
behind the schtick?
And whose personal sensibilities are we to avoid (what Rauncy used to refer to
as) the peal
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
FWIW, Buck hasn't been around for quite some time now. The person appointed
to moderate FFL (i.e., to ensure posts do not violate the Yahoo Guidelines) is
Doug Hamilton.
That should answer at least some of your questions.
Thank
Snip
I think the term enlightenment is misunderstood. People think of it as
something one acquires by doing certain things. But because it is about what we
intrinsically are, this cannot be revealed by doing anything, because that
value is already there. It is a tautology. We are what we
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
You can read all about Buck in the book Transcendental Meditation in America by
Joe Weber. Here you can read details on how Buck in the Dome got booted out of
the Dome on more than one occasion.
Me: I suffered through the whining when
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
My recollection is that Doug was here, as Doug, for quite awhile after you
joined us before becoming Buck. Maybe someone else remembers the chronology
more clearly.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
I didn't snip it as a statement about your posting it Judy. I am just
exercising and abundance of caution in these changing times where I don't
expect the benefit of any doubt. I looked back at a few of Buck's posts and
didn't see his name so until he directly says it is OK to me I am trying to
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
The spiritual game has always been a caveat emptor affair, and I think this
site, at it's best can challenge beliefs without finding a way, or need, to
ridicule opinions to the contrary.
What do you think?
Me: I appreciate
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: I am not sure the word refers to anything more than a cluster of beliefs
about someone's perspective on life. Although I have experienced fundamental
shifts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :
Is it alright with you if I call you curtisdeltablues, since that seems to
be your real professional name AND your alias for social media? Thanks.
Richard,
It is not my professional name. It is a name I use nowhere else but on
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another
way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far
more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be.
Me: I don't
Me: It may have been after this that he disappeared for a while before finally
accepting the position.
The way Maharishi tells this story is that when they did all the pujas for him
to be Shankaracharia, he said Are you done, now go. From his perspective it
wasn't that he was tricked into it
It reminds me of the old porta-foams for flying. I forget who created those in
FF but they were great when I was busy trying to compress my spine twice a day!
They had straps for your legs and you could fly anywhere.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
That is almost
Re Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a
role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.:
Me:
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
As long as he had a dry cave to sleep in, why would he worry about his
housing,
Me: Throw pillows. If you look at the pictures it is all about the color
coordinated throw pillows.
M: given the fact that he had that bag was it,
I used to promote a high tech company on search engines Alex. I brought them to
number one in their category. Recent postings of a name pumps up the relevancy
in searches. At the time I was complaining about my name being used repeatedly,
I could track how it was affecting the search engines.
I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the
readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a
cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of
Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em are
doing it.
(I'm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up
Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as
well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is
fascinating to see it in action on
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I'm not sure I see the point of these Barry bulletins. Why don't you post
them on FFL2? Barry is no longer on this forum, and I doubt whether anyone here
wants to read about him. He was booted off for very good reasons, so
Thanks for the suggestion Alex. I appreciate your taking precautions against
people who wish to do real harm while we are trying to enjoy some open
conversations. I think your idea makes it much clearer when someone crosses the
line. If I knew then what I know now before starting on FF...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me:
Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting
adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the
Thanks for the heads up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
Be aware that he who shall not be invoked by name subscribed to FFL2 last
night. So far, he's behaving himself, and everyone else is completely ignoring
him.
---In
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Save them for what? But here is my point, anyone can find you, even
techno-dolts if they go google your handle here. It doesn't take a technical
genius which neither you or I, apparently, are. Now go nurse those fingers so
you
Me:
Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting
adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original
FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Me: Well you got this right and I do appreciate that:
Judy:
(BTW, it's manner, not manor. A manner is a way of doing something; a manor
is a very big house.)
Me: Unfortunately for you that correcton proved my point.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Curtis, this
The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a
professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely
dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote.
Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I
Me: Touche
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
(snip)
All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real.
First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up
Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
snip
Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud.
(Barry made fun of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
snip
Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud.
(Barry made fun of him for that, but then t3rinity chimed in that he hadn't
heard anything either. Another Oooopsie! for Barry.)
As I said, what
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
P.S.: This may be unpleasant and embarrassing for you, Curtis, but in the
interests of adjusting your perspective in the direction of reality, you might
want to keep an eye on Barry's FFL2 posts yourself, noting how many of them
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Well, Curtis, you've managed to nudge this discussion farther and farther away
from the actual issue, which was your erroneous claims that Barry's mistake
(lie?) about who started the Subud discussion was an insignificant detail, and
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. Thomas Jefferson
I loves me some Thomas Jefferson. But this quote is incomplete in itself. I
don't know if he corrected it in context. He lived under (and helped create)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to
be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll
be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't
blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the
security issues. That pretty much destroys any chance of being
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Which one of RD's did you read Curtis?
Me:
The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution is the book I am
referring to. It is my favorite of his.
S:
I often recommend his stuff on here because he is such a clear
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
I believe the concept of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof
helps a bit. I believe it is also important to resist the tendency to fill in
gaps. It is perfectly reasonable to say that you saw an object in the sky
I recommend Richard Dawkins' book on evolution if anyone wants to get a better
handle on what it actually is than we can remember from biology class. When I
read it I found that I had some odd perspectives that needed adjusting. We are
by nature drawn to teleological perspectives (ones that
Given the tools you had, your perspective on your role here, and your
explanation about anonymity, I can understand your position better Alex.
Since you are now dealing with the level of computer sophistication and crazy
that was aimed at F'ing me, and my own explanation of my perspective on
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning
about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for
long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men
Hi Share. Comments below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor
his master. He was completely against this even when it
Sal if you get canned, this place has officially jumped the shark. I couldn't
stand the place without dissenting voices like yours. You have made huge
intellectual contributions to the place, and the idea that you are now in a
laser sight from such a tiny mind's perspective makes me sick.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Yes, as some are affirming here the Yahoo-groups guidelines are a lot about
civility and how things are said. Yes it is about civility and facilitating
communal well-being for individuals in [safe] collaborative communal
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech.
Me: I'll bet our idea of civility would be a pretty close match. But it
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality.
Me: Perfect Judy entrance, lead with breaking rapport...
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him
a hypocrite and full of crap.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Curtis, I actually read this message from Doug rather differently. The section
below seems to be referring to younger TMers at the university who are pointing
out to older TM-movement types that some of the language they
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
It's quite amazing that both salyavin and
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Blimey! I hope you're not leaving us - or about to get the order of the boot.
I've praised your writing style twice in recent weeks so I won't repeat myself.
I've found your contributions some of the most thought-provoking on FFL.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
My experience sitting in the full lotus for an extended period (30 minutes or
so), was that it had a remarkable effect on my physiology.
But I happened to get a little frostbite on my heel late in the game, and it
made sitting
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
I have long appreciated a lot of the content of what these recently fallen
Me:
Fallen? Condescending much? You got the power to slip them the mickey and you
did it. Nobody fell anywhere you just took advantage of the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Me: Thanks for pointing that out to me.
Apologies to Buck for misunderstanding his intention for that word choice. I
mistook it for his usual old timey fey word choice so it seemed normal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Hah! I'd intended my praise for Sal! (He seems particularly downcast by
today's developments.)
Me: That is hilarious since I re-read your post and now can understand why I
thought it was for me. I guess I was paranoid since I had
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
If you're so concerned about your search engine rankings, why did you choose
to make them vulnerable to being messed with by directly tying your business
identity to FFL?
Me: My concerns developed long after I had chosen
Just as Maharishi said, the movement belongs to those who move (slave labor
of course) FFL belongs to those who post. Today I see two valuable
contributors, Michael and Xeno have been canned following Barry's first shoe
dropped.
I want to weigh in that I oppose the way content is being
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
No, not conflating what was evident that some people posting here were
exploitatively seeking to inflict methodical and personal emotional hurt on
people using a Yahoo-group [FFL]. For a touch on an energetic component of this
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
It's quite amazing that both salyavin and Curtis, intelligent as they are, are
still complaining loudly about the imaginary notion that Doug is out to ban
people who express negative opinions of TM. It doesn't matter how many people
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