[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. He is from Norway. Ingegerd
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral... and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's money... Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by any Serb. Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts? He's English. He is from Norway. i know this guy. Ingegerd
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Veda in Scandinavia
An interesting thing about Laplanders or The Saami, is that they can heal people with sounds. It is an old tradition given from the family members in one generation to the family members in the next generation. They can stop a blood stream by using sounds. They say that they read over the wounds. I once was that lucky to be given the sounds for stopping blood stream, but they keap their secrets very close in the family. It is something similar to Premodial Sounds, but much stronger, more effective. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Blaine Watson We were in Seelisberg for Guru Purnimah in the summer of 1982. Some time after the full moon celebration Maharishi was meeting with us in the large lecture hall and began to discuss the Veda. One of the teachers from Finland stood up and asked Maharishi if he would like to listen to some of the traditional chanting of the laplanders in Finland. It is called yoicking. Here is what i found out about the Laplanders from the internet. The Saami (there are other names for the same people, including Sámi, Lapp, Davvin, etc.) are an indigenous people of northern Sweden, Norway, Finland, Siberia and the Kola peninsula in northern Russia. The Saami are one of the largest groups of indigenous peoples in Europe. They call their ancestral lands Sápmi. The population of about 85,000 are primarily farmers and reindeer herders. Roughly half the Saami population lives in Norway, although Sweden also has a significant group. Finland and Russia only have smaller groups. The Saami folk have inhabited northern regions of Scandinavia since far back into antiquity. The culture of the Fenni, a tribe described by the Roman historian Tacitus, among others, as hunter-gatherers who dwelt in the lands north of the Baltic, is identifable with the Saami. During the Middle Ages many groups of Saami were forced to pay tribute to their southern neighbors, the rulers of Norway, Russia and Sweden, a practice which continued in some cases until the 19th century. One very interesting Saami tradition is the singing of jojk (in English, yoicks, not to be confused with the call used in fox hunting). Yoicks are traditionally sung a capella, usually sung slowly and deep in the throat with apparent emotional content of sorrow or anger. Christian missionaries and priests regarded these as songs of the Devil. In recent years, yoicks are frequently accompanied by musical instruments. It has been conjectured that yoicks are a highly modified form of Sama Veda, one of the four Vedic traditions of India and the one that pundits sing most slowly. The name of the Saami people may actually have been derived from the Sanskrit word Sama. A tape was put on a playback machine that could regulate the speed of the playback. The sounds was deep and throaty and a little bit rough. As it was playing Maharishi asked that it be slowed down. IT became more melodious as it was played slower and he asked again that it be slowed down even further. Suddenly it became very smooth and melodic and exactly what we know to be Sama Veda without any difference at all. It was truly dramatic. You could make out the sanskrit words being spoken and the meter was absolutely perfectly matched to the sama veda that we listened to every day. Maharishi, and i don't remember the exact words unfortunately. then spoke of the last remnants of the vedic culture in the baltic sea area of europe. Even the name of the Laplanders, the Sammi people, alone is indication that they must have been descendants of sama veda pandits in the far distant past. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter to NPR re Commentary on Maharishi's Death
It has almost been nothing about MMYs death in Norway. Some notices about that Beatles guru is dead - thats all. But I was interviewed in the Radio about Maharishi and the angel again was what the Beatles meant for MMY. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been surprised how much MMY's death has been in the newspapers here in Finland. The news was in the big nationwide Helsingin Sanomat in the net already 1 am on Wednesday 06. Feb. The next day I saw the news in two other newspapers I follow regularly. All of them were matter of fact, although focusing mainly on his relationship with the Beatles. Today in the local newspaper there was a beautiful picture from the funeral at Vlodrop. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From Jim Greenfield: I just sent the following email to NPR re: their comments today. Re: Scott Simon's commentary on death of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. NPR took the easy way with shallow remarks about Maharishi, characteristic of the American press's coverage of just about everything. If you'd done ten minutes of research you might have found information more appropriate to cover the passing of a great spiritual leader. You might have mentioned the universities Maharishi founded on two continents, or the fascinating seminars he held with the world's leading intellectuals, including innumerable Nobel laureates in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. involving profound discussions on the nature of the universe from perspectives ranging from astrophysics to Vedic philosophy. Or you might have mentioned his scholarship and books, or the millions of people who benefited from the healing, restorative effects of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation, as documented by hundreds of scientific studies at major medical schools, universities, and research institutes throughout the world. But instead you went with snide comments about how much enlightenment you can buy with $300 million, and with the Beatles' rumors about sexual impropriety even though you yourself mentioned that Paul McCartney and George Harrison later repudiated the shameful story. This is not the first time in history a great spiritual leader has been derided at the time of death. There was a Rabbi in Israel who was once mocked with a crown of thorns. Is that the precedent you wish to follow, Scott? Not much of an obituary. Jim Greenfield Transcendental Meditation Teacher 15105 SW 119th Avenue Tigard, OR 97224 503-968-0499 HYPERLINK mailto:jimgreenfieldshow@jimgreenfieldshow@ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - From a Purusha in Holland
If you visit the maharishichannel, you will see the Puja performed by MMY and the Rajas in 2006. MMY seems to have no radiance in his eyes, he looks very fragile. I think the picture send from Purusha in Holland is taken when MMY was alive some years ago. Ingegerd A special message by Maharaja Nader Raam announcing the departure of our most eternally beloved His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to Heaven. This special broadcast including the message, Guru Puja and chanting will continue repeatedly until further notice. Visit: www.maharishichannel.org Channel 3 (30 minute presentation) His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, always saying Jai Guru Dev, Vijayante Taram. Jai Guru Dev . .. To view previous newsletters go to: http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php Our e-mail virus policy: All our subscriber newsletters are sent without attachments. If you (or anyone you know) happens to receive an unsolicited e-mail carrying an attachment appearing to be originating from us, please do NOT open it. We have NOT --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip From what's been said here, it sure sounds like it's just a celebration photo from several years ago. I'm going to delete the photo from my server. Gee, it's a nice photo. Why don't you just retitle it? Done. This is the filename as originally sent: http://alex.natel.net/ffl/images/Maharishi.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a chef finally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: French restaurant three blocks from my house. My menu. See here www.flamingtorchnola.com Congratulation. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'United We Stand- Divided We Fall...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/7/06 11:21 PM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: Now is the time to pull together; No matter what our experiences or resents towards the TMO; Now is the time to put this all behind. We must 'get behind' this push for 'Spiritual Regeneration' We should listen to Bevan, who Maharishi has placed at the helm; No matter what our personal feelings toward Maharishi or Bevan; We need to rise above our personal feelings... At least in spirit, it has to be good to intend for the world to be spiritually regenerated; When so many forces are at work right now; Destructive forces, repressed forces, evil forces... That must be balanced and thwarted, period. A small intention toward supporting the movement in whatever way, Now. Is simply needed. R.G. And what if some of those dark forces are working through Bevan? Should we still listen to him? Your love and good thoughts directed towards him will negate any dark forces. Listen to him and do whatever he tells you to do. Are you serious - or are you joking? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'United We Stand- Divided We Fall...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 10/7/06 11:21 PM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: Now is the time to pull together; No matter what our experiences or resents towards the TMO; Now is the time to put this all behind. We must 'get behind' this push for 'Spiritual Regeneration' We should listen to Bevan, who Maharishi has placed at the helm; No matter what our personal feelings toward Maharishi or Bevan; We need to rise above our personal feelings... At least in spirit, it has to be good to intend for the world to be spiritually regenerated; When so many forces are at work right now; Destructive forces, repressed forces, evil forces... That must be balanced and thwarted, period. A small intention toward supporting the movement in whatever way, Now. Is simply needed. R.G. And what if some of those dark forces are working through Bevan? Should we still listen to him? Your love and good thoughts directed towards him will negate any dark forces. Listen to him and do whatever he tells you to do. Are you serious - or are you joking? Ingegerd What I am saying, is that if we are Yogi's; And can stay centered in Samhadhi; Then whatever we percieve or feel is dark; Well, we send light to there... That is the job of the Yogi, to bring wholeness to seperateness; Love, to hate, something to nothing, fullness to emptiness. simple. simple, send your light into the dark; what's so hard to understand about that? We know from physics, that light is not finite, but an infinite wave. So, think light, Be light, use the light, in a constructive way; At this critical juncture on our planet: The blue one, called Mother Earth. Hug a tree, too, btw. R.G. I am with you in these thoughts. Whatever we do, we should do for good. What I spontaneous was reacting on, was the idea to follow Bevan Morris and MMY in whatever they say, as the only way. I do not trust these people. Maybe I misunderstood you. To spread light can be done in so many ways - we just have to find a way that is natural for us. Ingegerd spread light To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: A successfull businessman in Norway tried the force his employees to learn TM - and they rejected. The News Papers had a lot of articles about this - and the result was that the business went into bankruptcy - and he lost everything. Wrong again. He sold the company to his competitor for 2 mill $ Do you know who I am referring to The one I refer to did lost everything. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon.com: The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/1/06 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also think that unless someone asks -- freely -- from their own side to be initiated it would be a very negative experience. It was. They resented every minute of it. Some even cried. What happened in Nepal. As I heard many years ago - The TMO tried to initiate as many as possible in Nepal - and was thrown out of the country - does somebody know about it? One big project was Mosambique - but I think the positive effect of the initiations has been approx. nothing. A successfull businessman in Norway tried the force his employees to learn TM - and they rejected. The News Papers had a lot of articles about this - and the result was that the business went into bankruptcy - and he lost everything. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judy stein wrote: dr.peter sutphen wrote: dr. peter sutphen God, another A.M.T. goon. Just what we need here. S... Just which are OTHER amt goons and why do you use that term? It's a self-appointed club! I refer to him as a goon because of that endless ...you said in post 1847 that contradicts what you said in post 5678 and compared to post 5678 so you are a LIAR! These are arguments made by contentious people who are not interested in any sort of resolution to the conflict. Bullshit, Peter. Do you reflect back to your therapy clients what they say and do and what you think motivates them with the same degree of inaccuracy? Namaste Ms. Judy Most respectfully.., here is a bit of *Dead On Accuracy* for you from the A.M.T. archives From: ColdBluICE - view profile Date: Thurs, Jul 12 2001 7:59 am Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ColdBluICE) Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Peter V wrote in message Consider Larry Domash- it was his physics theories which convinced many to to embrace TM- his words, changed the lives of many because his PHD from Princton legitimized the TM movement. And now he is another vanished TM leader- never seen or heard from. I think men like him- leaders who we trusted- owe a debt to many people who changed their lives (some who ruined their lives) based on his words, speeches and writings. He and other scientists made TM and SCI legitimate. That more than anything hooked us all. We trusted him. We were mistaken. Does he have any moral regrets for leading so many down a dark path? Well said!! A VERY DARK PATH INDEED.. a very long monentary lapse of *Moral Reasning* (if he or any others there at miu had any!) A better question would be.:. does mahesh varma have *any moral regrets* (would not a deathbed confession of *ALL* his *LACK* of morality ethics integrity, honesty... be welcome). mahesh varma confesses to his *Nefarious Schemes* = to rid the Ashram of his Master, then put in place a imposter-(Shantinand), then attempt to legitimize himself through misleading press reports and claiming his Masters' Seat for himself!... on and on- his confused translation of the Gita.:. the sobal another *great* work of *FICTION*.. the b.s. of sci... miu/mum.. all of his trail of horseshit! Perhaps, Jeff R. can go (again) and find that story from-, *Illustrated Weekly of India* written in 1980. Wherre mahesh varma begs P.M. Indira Ghandi to let him back into India.. if he gives away all hi *Ill gotten gains* (from selling mantras)... The so-called/self proclaimed.. greatest disciple of Guru Dev - dies in exile away from his Old Ashram and motherland (what could be more fitting)..[end] Or does it not matter here whether you even try to get it right because we're not paying you? We are getting it right Ms. Judy. The tmo and Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh are *DEAD*. Does the word Lil have any meaning? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: bob_brigante wrote: from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/message/12 19 : Dear Friends, I have just come out of the Invincible America Course meeting with Maharishi. Over the past weeks Maharishi has been doing all he can to expand the numbers flying in the Fairfield Domes from the present 1,100 to 2,000 to make USA invincible (and in so doing make the world a much safer place!) A few days ago Maharishi sent Mayor Wynne off to India to convince the USA Embassy to allow up to 2,000 pandits to come to Fairfield. Today Maharishi announced that the Embassy has refused the application. It was clear that Maharishi was deeply disappointed - and also deeply concerned for America. He emphasized that we MUST get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to get the super-radiance number for USA. If TM were the full real deal you wouldn't need 2000 pundits from India. But God forbid that the average TM'er knows that the average Hindu knows. The pundits know a specific body of knowledge which is not taught to Americans when they learn TM, namely how to recite Vedic hymns in order to produce a desired influence in the environment, which is certainly not what the average Hindu knows, not any more than the average Hindu knows the skillset of a programmer in Bangalore. But this can and has been be learned by Americans. Why not teach this to Americans for free? *** If Americans were qualified to be Vedic pundits, they would have been born in India. Circumstances of birth are not random or democratic -- they reflect one's activities in past lives and one's current level of awareness. I don't buy that at all. I know of two twin American girls who became quite fluent in vedic chanting. They amazed Indian pundits. On a more ordinary level of understanding, I learned in pursuing my Master's in Applied Linguistics that people who learn a new language after about the age of 15 never pronounce the new language as fluently as a learner who acquires language earlier in life. So it's not really possible to make Vedic pundits anywhere you like, even if you are ignorant about occupation based on karmic circumstances. I didn't find chanting Sanskrit all that difficult. After all you have a much less ambiguous alphabet to work with than with western alphabets. Some scientists are of the opinion that Sanskrit originally comes from Europe. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are quite wrong here. It's hard to know why you feel compelled to make cruel and untrue remarks about someone I presume you have never met. (I've known Sharalyn for some years now.) I only know Sharalyn from her posts of several years ago so my impression of her is based on her posts. My intention is certainly not to be cruel and not to utter untuths about her. I found her posts to be psychologically immature because of her extreme idealization of MMY and the TMO and the absolute and utter refusal to deal with any shadow material of her own experincing or that of the TMO or, for that matter, anyone else posting of such material. For me, this is a mood-maker and very surprising for a woman in her 50's. However, she is very intelligent and writes quite well. But she has not been blooded by life or if she has, she has not learned from it. This is my psychological assessment of her. You don't agree. Fine. I'm sure knowing her in person is differewnt than knowing her through her posts. I do have one question, though. Why did she change her name? An unusual move for someone of her age. Maybe she was told by Maharishis Yotish-teachers. I once went to an yotish-teacher, who set up a chart. He told me that I should use a name including LA. I have another forename also, that happens to include those letters. It it my mothers name, so I do not use it. I know some TM-Teachers that change their names because, according to yotish, missed some important letters. Ingegerd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Anyone else sick of thus choking of FFL? If so, open your window and shout I'm not going to take in any longer. Or simple post it. I visit FFL only occasionally, and select my reading according to the titles and also by the poster. I appreciate many of the inputs of the frequent posters. If their postings style annoys me I skip reading them. This is the case in the ever lasting snapping between Judy and Barry. On the other hand the big number of posts makes it laborious to find those posts that would interest me. Apparently I cannot use the new system of following the threads effectively. For example for this thread I didn't easily find the starting post I'm now responding to. Irmeli I have deleted some of the writers in my e-mail - so they do not come up. I do not have time to read every post - only the threads that seems interesting - I have an active life outside the PC - so I do not want to spend too much time with FFL. Maybe it would be healthier for the most heavy writers to enjoy life instead of sitting hours before the PC. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: OK, I'll jump in here, not for the sake of being argumentative, but just to relate my experience. I became a teacher much later than all of you pioneers, so I cannot speak to what you might have been told on your courses. What I, as a student, heard from TM teachers conforms precisely to your description of what you were told to teach. Eeven allowing for Barry coming from a different era (I learned in 73), the business about not teaching unless the student kneels isn't something that even makes sense. When I went back to MUM/MIU in the mid-80's for a course, someone from Spielberg's (Lucas's?) studio had brought an experimental 3D video camera and wanted to film the Puja for MMY. They passed out flowers and started filming. I bowed my head respectfully with hands in the namaste form and then noticed that everyone else in the entire room-- with no exceptions (about 2000+ people since it was on oe of the larger courses)-- had fully kowtowed with head to floor. I glanced all the way around the room, threw my arms up at the ceiling dramatically and shrugged and knelt down... ..the next day, at another meeting, they passed the flowers around to everyone again, explaining that due to a camera glitch they needed to refilm part of the Puja. They instructed us all to stand respectfully as they did the retake. I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I became a teacher in '73 and it was irrelevant whether the student stood, kneeled or laughed at that end of the puja. I have initiated some Indian to TM. After the Puja I was standing, and they were kneeling. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: My guess is that TM teachers in the 60's and 70's were heavy into drugs before deciding to become TM teachers. and that THAT is what all the legends spring from: super-heavy unstressing of heavy dopers. Detox isn't pretty. Good dog. Blame the victim two more times and you'll earn the True Believer merit badge. :-) Just for fun - I went through the list of TM-Teachers and Purushas and Mother Divine that I know from Norway. It was really a sad thing. A good number got cancer - some mental illnesses - some suicide - some really weird - and some is of course healthy also - . I know one from Purusha that is not able to meditate more than a few minutes - the Sidhi-techniques is out of question. One from Mother Divine stopped with TM. The healthies ones, as I see it, is the people that have had a good balance between TM and Activity and balanced food - enjoying life outside meditation. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi desires to know intention of ALL his Governors and Sidhas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does MMY think we are his slaves or something? Unpaid employees! Ingegerd --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Announcement in the Dome Maharishi desires to know the intention of ALL his Governors, Sidhas and Meditators regarding Golden Dome participation, currently and in the future. Please help fulfill Maharishi's desire by filling out the webform at http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire/http://invincibleamerica .org/questionnaire/. It will only take a few minutes. The questionnaire also includes information for Meditators about full scholarship support for the TM-Sidhis. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/10/06 3:32:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, groups@ writes: Itâs true. As of today, Sept 10th, 637 have signed up in the Drier Bldg. for the free siddhi's courses to start soon. There are several courses planned between now Nov. There may be courses in Canada as well. Now , why not have a national campaign to give free instruction in TM for a limited time and see what happens. Now, THAT'S a great idea! But wouldn't that put alot of the TM teachers working outside the TMO out of business? I don't think so. The TMO is so crazy even if they teach for free, that people would turn to the Independent TM-Teacher who have a normal behaviour in the society, and really cares for people. Ingegerd And wouldn't that be bad for the economy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 4:51 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 3:13 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: ., I want everyone to know that last night M announced a plan to pay people$500 a month to be in the dome for the Invincibility America Course,starting Sept 12th, and also, if you know anyone who wants the sidhis but hasn't been able to afford them, he is also going to offer the sidhis course for free...contact the TM center for more info on that..there is a meeting at 1pm Sundayin the Drier building for those ready to start immediately..tell your friends...love and light to all of you Hahahahahahahaha. Rick if your friend still believes any of this, he needs to seriously get real. Sal Unless someone's donating it. Then it wouldn't be free. Sal Still, it would be free to the participant, like the DC course Than say that. Otherwise, it's just perpetuating the same old falsehoods. Sal Actually, I think that's how the DC and MUM courses will actually turn a profit. Donations covering the participants fees. That seems to be the new model - foundations, donations (and real estate) I have a hard time believing that the TMO would actually use it's own resources . (Unless someone knows otherwise.) JohnY The TMO in Norway is now offering you to be a part of a Financal Organisation for kr. 8000 a year (about 1100 Dollars). If you do so, your finances will be invincible. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 12:52 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway is now offering you to be a part of a Financal Organisation for kr. 8000 a year (about 1100 Dollars). If you do so, your finances will be invincible. Ingegerd What¹s their explanation for how doing this would make your finances invincible? What do they do with your money? It is several pages, starting like that: INVINCIBLE NORWAY WITH INSPIRATION FROM MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGIS VEDIC SCIENCE, THE FOUNDATION THE FINANCIAL HEADQUARTER FOR NORWAY IS ESTABLISHED TO CROWN THE NATION WITH INVINCIBILITY, TO ENHANCE THE NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS TO A HIGH LEVEL OF INTEGRATION AND SOLIDARITY, SO THAT THE POSITIVITY WILL PENETRATE THE LIFE EVERYWHERE AND THAT NOBODY IN OUR DEAR NORWAY WILL HAVE TO MEAT PROBLEMS AND DEFEAT. And so on and so on. The ideas is : The method to enhance the Nation to invincibility - prosperity, peace and development - is to teach and employ 220 persons to maintain and integrated level of National Consciousness. They will be paid about 1100 Dollar a month the first year.. it is nothing new. The same language and the same message. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free sidhis plus $500 salary for dome attendance..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From a friend in the know: It's true. As of today, Sept 10th, 637 have signed up in the Drier Bldg. for the free siddhi's courses to start soon. There are several courses planned between now Nov. There may be courses in Canada as well. Would this be the same friend who told about the promised $2000/month salaries to all the recertified govs? And maybe he's a relative of the same friend who also said Vedic City would include a world-famous health center. And maybe they're cousins to the same friend who said the Sidhis would teach you how to fly. Anyone still believing this crapola has some serious growing up to do. Sal It could be true. MMY need to do something to enhance his reputation. Besides of that he need to keep the wealthy people in the fold - they may lose interest if more projects fails. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The man in the painting speaks!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who wonder what significance Guru Dev has for them, that is for them to figure, after all each and every one of them had their fruit, flowers handkerchief ( money?) offered to his portrait. One could wonder if it is right to use the picture of Guru Dev in the Puja, if the meditation technique does not come from Guru Dev and his Tradition. Would Guru Dev have approved that? I received my Mantra from a Norwegian Meditation Teacher - should I look at her as my Guru? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The man in the painting speaks!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: For those who wonder what significance Guru Dev has for them, that is for them to figure, after all each and every one of them had their fruit, flowers handkerchief ( money?) offered to his portrait. One could wonder if it is right to use the picture of Guru Dev in the Puja, if the meditation technique does not come from Guru Dev and his Tradition. Would Guru Dev have approved that? I received my Mantra from a Norwegian Meditation Teacher - should I look at her as my Guru? Ingegerd Either way, what does it really matter to your life right now? R.G. It does not matter at all. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The man in the painting speaks!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I received my Mantra from a Norwegian Meditation Teacher - should I look at her as my Guru? Ingegerd Doug writing: yes, the 'Norwegian Holy Traditon' going back to Freyja and Odinn, runes and such sounds of primordial nature rooted in the Eddas and before and now including Guru Dev. Nothing is new under the sun, but we are grateful none the less. -Doug in FF I just arrived from the very North of Norway where runes and sounds of primordial nature is very alive among Lapps also today. One of their secrets is to stop bleeding with a formula - like Mantras - in the Name of God, His Son and the Holy Spirit. So I bought a symbol that is protecting from Evil Powers. You never know - It may work. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: For those who wonder what significance Guru Dev has for them, that is for them to figure, after all each and every one of them had their fruit, flowers handkerchief ( money?) offered to his portrait. One could wonder if it is right to use the picture of Guru Dev in the Puja, if the meditation technique does not come from Guru Dev and his Tradition. Would Guru Dev have approved that? I received my Mantra from a Norwegian Meditation Teacher - should I look at her as my Guru? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. Thank God. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In the early days, MMY was taslking about Kundalini, chakras, doing Puja to Shiva - as he did last winter. He was much more open about these things before. Ingegerd In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. Obviously. However, according to what little history I can find on the subject, the chakra system grew out of mention in the Upanishads. The first mention I can find is in chapter 5 of the varaha upanishad and is primarily descriptive, IMHO: http://www.geocities.com/advaitavedant/varaha.htm CHAPTER - V Then Nidagha asked Lord Ribhu to enlighten him as to the rules (to be observed) in the practice of Yoga. Accordingly He (the Lord) said thus: 1. The body is composed of the five elements. It is filled with five Mandalas (spheres). That which is hard is Prithvi (earth), one of them; that which is liquid is Apas; 2. That which is bright is Tejas (fire); motion is the property of Vayu; that which pervades everywhere is Akasa. All these should be known by an aspirant after Yoga. 3. Through the blowing of Vayu-Mandala in this body, (there are caused) 21,600 breaths every day and night. 4. If there is a diminution in the Prithvi-Mandala, there arise folds in the body; if there is diminution in the essence of Apas, there arises gradually greyness of hair; 5. If there is diminution in the essence of Tejas, there is loss of hunger and lustre; if there is diminution in the essence of Vayu, there is incessant tremor; 6. If there is diminution in the essence of Akasa, one dies. The Jivita (viz., Prana) which possesses these elements having no place to rest (in the body) owing to the diminution of the elements, rises up like birds flying up in the air. 7. It is for this reason that is called Udyana (lit., flying up). With reference to this, there is said to be a Bandha (binding, also meaning a posture called Udyana- Bandha, by which this flight can be arrested). This Udyana-Bandha is to (or does away with) death, as a lion to an elephant. 8. Its experience is in the body, as also the Bandha. Its binding (in the body) is hurtful. If there is agitation of Agni (fire) within the belly, then there will be caused much of pain. 9. Therefore this (Udyana-Bandha) should not be practised by one who is hungry or who has urgency to make water or void excrement. He should take many times in small quantities proper and moderate food. 10. He should practise Mantra-Yoga. Laya-Yoga and Hatha-Yoga, through mild, middling and transcendental methods (or periods) respectively. Laya, Mantra and Hatha- Yogas have each (the same) eight subservients. 11-12(a). They are Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi. 12(b)-13(a). (Of these), Yama is of ten kinds. They are non- injury, truth, non-coveting, continence, compassion, straightforwardness, patience, courage, moderate eating and purity (bodily and mental). 13(b)-14. Niyama is of ten kinds. They are Tapas (religious austerities), contentment, belief in the existence of God or Vedas, charity, worship of Ishvara (or God), listening to the expositions of religious doctrines, modesty, a (good) intellect, Japa (muttering of prayers) and Vrata (religious observances). 15-16. They are eleven postures beginning with Chakra. Chakra, Padma, Kurma, Mayura, Kukkuta, Vira, Svastika, Bhadra, Simha, Mukta and Gomukha are the postures enumerated by the knowers of Yoga. 17. Placing the left ankle on the right thigh and the right ankle on the left thigh and keeping the body erect (while sitting) is the posture Chakra. 18. Pranayama should be practised again and again in the following order, viz., inspiration, restraint of breath and expiration. The Pranayama is done through the Nadis (nerves). Hence it is called the Nadis themselves. 19. The body of every sentient being is ninety-six digits long. In the middle of the body, two digits above the anus and two digits below
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. You are doing a great job. I have learned a lot from the quotations of Guru Dev. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. And besides that, :-) if I have such an experience and dismiss it because of something my teacher told me just doesn't happen in nature, I'm just a nobody. Whereas if I believe that what my teacher said was not true, and Just Another Guru Contradiction, I can believe in my experience, which allows me to be a lot more special than those who haven't had such an exper- ience and cannot comprehend it. :-) Just to clarify, I am *not* saying that everyone who has ever had a visionary experience was deluding themselves out of a desire to seem important and special. But that *IS* true about many people, and I think it's a good thing to keep in mind when evaluating their claims. In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to watch the *overall* behavior of the person who is making the claim. Do they treat the experience they had matter-of-factly, as if it was no more important than any other experience they've had in their lives, or do they make it into A Really Big Thing, one that makes them unique and special? Do they use the experience itself as a mechanism for setting themselves up as some kind of expert or someone who is more capable of passing along the latest message from the dead teacher to others? Or as the next great teacher themselves? Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. On the one hand (as a sociological phenomenon) it'll be fun and fascinating to watch. On the other hand (as an exercise in mind control and charlatanry) it's IMO likely to get really ugly. Then again, maybe I'll be surprised and no one will start claiming to be in almost daily communi- cation with Maharishi after he dies. Yeah, right...like *that's* gonna happen... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
I have some notes from 9th February 1970, where MMY talks about the start of SRM, the notes is written from a Audio Tape: When Guru Dev left his body I retired to the Himalayas where Guru Dev had met his Guru Dev. I felt I should go to Ramesh Waroom - I asked the saints. One was 90 years old. This was for me, after the Himalayas like stepping into mud. He advised against going. I decided to forget the trip. I went to Kungakumari - I had a divine revalation. I left and went to Tivendrum, to the biggest temple. I was followed by a man and he asked me to speak about the Himalayas - he arranged a 7 day lecture program and he supplied the topics. In 6 months I was lecturing in Dehli. At this stage I had never initiated anyone. When I got to Hardwar the philosophy had become clear - to turn the mind inward was easy! The message was readily accepted. I went to Kashmir and then to Bombay for the 89th birthday celebrations for Guru Dev. I held a 3 day seminar in Madras on saintly luminaries. At the end I said I think this meditation can spiritually regenerate the world. During the applause I felt I should start a world movement. I announced it spontaneously. After a 6 months tour of south India I calculated at this rate it would take 200 years.. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I recall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, any evidence that such a vision ever happened. I'm just making this point because you seem to believe that because you believe in this vision it's a done deal, and that it really happened. I make no such assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. Thats because you are basically dump. He took this advice for himself and not for others. If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably wouldn't have believed it. Nitpick all you want about the so-called differences you perceive between one person claiming to have had a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can claim anything they bloody well want to about visions, and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of belief. In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not my fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to really upset you. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) So what? snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: its always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision of others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to convince you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that alien techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the alien techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that we just don't know what the effect would be. Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to write it. it is scaring. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Ingegerd The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to write it. it is scaring. Ingegerd You think it's scary now? Just wait until Maharishi dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse. That is what I am afraid of. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Ingegerd The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
I think GD was a very strict Gentleman without compromises regarding the Vedas. It does not mean that I totally agree with him, but I think it is very doubtfull that he allowed MMY to go out and teach or sell Mantras. I have very great respect for GD because he made his thoughts very clear. It was just the way he was. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is really amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from GD. But I can understand it, because they take away the foundation of MMY. He has been putting GD in front of himself through all these years - as an alibi. I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Becoming in Tune with One's Teacher's Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He did say this [become in tune with my thinking] explicitly. Many times. On International Staff it was very much in the air. At Poland Spring, he said ³right now I¹m saying one things and 1,000 things are being heard.² (referring to the number of people in the audience.) ³Eventually you¹ll all hear the same thing.² (Meaning we all will have attuned ourselves to his thinking.) Or attuned to Reality which is one and therefore the same to all knowers of Reality. Eggzactly. Segue time again... The the Word What *is* the phenomenon that manifests itself in the True Believers of the TMO? The *mechanics* of the phenomenon are clear -- they treat every criticism of TM, TMers and the TMO as if it were a personal attack. But what *is* it in them that feels attacked? I think that the answer lies in one word used by one poster here in a recent exchange. Rick suggested, It's based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The respondent insisted on redefining Rick's statement using her own definition: Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. There is a word in that sentence that in my opinion speaks volumes about the TM mentality, and what it is in them that feels threatened and attacked when other people question the TM dogma or propose other ways of seeing things. Anyone get what it is? It's the word the. She specifies that Maharishi has a handle on the truth, not a truth. What the TBs are attached to, so much so that they don't even realize it when their own language gives them away, is the belief that there is only *one* truth. They cannot admit to the possibility of there being another truth, or multiple truths, or even worse, contra- dictory truths. Like in the Highlander movies, There can only be one. And naturally, these people feel that they know what that single, solitary truth is. The TBs feel personally attacked when someone attacks an idea they believe in because they have been told for decades by Maharishi and his parrots that there *is* only one truth, and that they are privy to it because he was gracious enough to share it with TBs like themselves. And *only* the TBs. If someone doesn't believe that the TM truth is THE truth, well then at the very least (in the eyes of the TBs) the non-believers have misunder- stood what was being said. More likely these deluded souls (the critics) are motivated by jealousy of those who know THE truth. I'm sorry, but the people who think and act like this strike me as being really silly fucks. I mean, how much experience with life could they possibly had to believe that there is only one truth and one reality? It's just fascism posing as spirituality. You are right. Many of us ex-TB's had that experience that MMY was speaking The Truth - he was The One that did know The Ultimate Truth - and we had to accept it, because we did not have a consciousness that was able to know The Truth. And we saw everything MMY did - as a path to reach a Higher Consciousness - even when it gave a lot of Stress - but we called it unstressing. Today I can't believe that I did accept so much as I did - . Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus Freaks at the Agnostic Cafe
I have started to use the Delete Button or Ban some of the most heavy writers that is saying the same thing in hundred - mayby thousands of mails - because my Email box became filled with E-Posts that I at the best call boring. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned earlier my perception that the periods of rancor on FFL run in cycles. IMO the event that triggers each cycle is pretty obvious -- either Maharishi says/does something really dumb, or the TM movement says/does something really dumb. This happens frequently enough these days that FFL pretty much *stays* a war zone. :-) It's fascinating to me that the posters whose vitriol is triggered by these really dumb stunts don't realize that this is the catalyst that triggers them. They think that their reactions are triggered by anti-TMers gloating about or, even worse in their eyes, laughing at each dumb stunt. I honestly believe that when these folks launch into one of their Gotta defend Maharishi and his ideas to the death periods, they're not really trying to convince most of us in the FFL audience how right they are to still believe in the TMO and in Maharishi. They're trying to convince *themselves*. (Interestingly, even though he takes a lot of flack here, the only person I've seen to comment on this phenomenon is Shemp; others have been so seduced by the arguments themselves that they've actually bought into the idea that the TBs are trying to convince the non-believers.) The hard-core TBs on Fairfield Life are not stupid people. *They* see the dumb stunts as dumb stunts, too. But IMO they can't admit to that, because they think that if they do they're committing some kind of sin. I know that my use of the word sin sounds harsh or overly dramatic, but I honestly think that's what is happening. *They* have doubts, too, but they can't admit the doubts to others -- or even to themselves -- because they have bought into the TM dogma that says doubt is bad, and indicates that there is something *wrong* with the doubter. Just look at the phenomenon and keep in mind the following scenario. There's a cafe where the majority of regulars once belonged to an organiz- ation that declared that it knew the absolute Truth about almost everything, that an absolute belief in this Truth was necessary for continued participation in the organization, and that any contact with other spiritual groups was somehow contagious, and was therefore dangerous. The vast majority of these people at the cafe have, over time, realized that none of these things were true, much less Truth, and that they are better served in their personal lives by making their own decisions, as adults, and living with the repercussions of those decisions. The very credo of the cafe, printed in big letters on the menus, says that it's a place for people who *DO* like to think for themselves. And in this cafe, every day, pretty much from the time the cafe opens in the morning until the time it closes at night, there are a few people who one has to think of as evangelists for NOT thinking for yourself. No matter how they like to color what they say and do there, 90% of it is to repeat endlessly, You guys are wrong and those of us who still believe what we were told to believe are right. It's really no different than encountering a few Jesus zealots who spend all their waking hours at a cafe full of agnostics. Every day, literally from sunup to the wee hours of the night, these zealots spend hours a day trying to convince these free- thinking agnostics that they're WRONG, and that only the True Believers are RIGHT. And all the time, the person they are really trying to convince is themselves. Such people are to be pitied or laughed at, not scorned. The problem, if there is one, is not with the people who have come to some sense of balance about TM, the TMO, and their feelings about both, but with the people who believe -- and act -- as if there is only one RIGHT way to believe and act. Of course the RIGHT way just happens to be *their* way. IMO their participation here -- and especially the compulsive *level* of their participation -- speaks for itself. These are people who have bought into the If you have doubts that means by definition that there is something WRONG with you dogma, and who talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more to silence the doubts in their *OWN* minds, so that they don't have to admit that they're there. They're not really trying to drown out the other voices on the forum, they're trying to drown out the voices they hear in their own heads. Ignore them or pity them, as you wish. Because when you argue with them, you're helping them, you're entering into a kind of codependent relationship with them that keeps them talk, talk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/06 2:37 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He had success - Millions of people learned TM - but that did not last - because the foundation was weak (wrong), built on many lies and broken promises. We see the result now. If he had been honest, without fear, not so many had learned TM - but it would have been a much more healthier Organisation - more lasting - more blissfull. I liked all your points but disagree that not as many would have learned TM. I think more would have, one of the reasons being that more would have stayed with it, and recommended it to others. You are probably right about that. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billionaires Invited!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Hey Billionaires! Here's your chance to cough up some money and AVOID THE SHAME!!! Again, I read the invitation to the Billionaires from the TMO, and like usual I think This must be a joke. But it is not. He never gives up to catch peoples money. Ingegerd I am going to ask my rich uncle Ernie if he can lend me a million dollars so that I can avoid the shame. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I actually like this idea of MMY's: Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and through their group practice of the technique, the children will create integrated, invincible national consciousness. Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. Ingegerd I would suspect that anyone that appears to develop disorders from either yogic flying or TM would have already had those innate disorders inside them to begin with (with the exception of certain physical disorders such as knee or back problems which, I concede, certainly may develop as a result of yogic flying). They probably have - without being aware of it - but as a side- effect from the program it comes to the surface. I am sceptical because the Sidhi-Administrators who is responsible for the courses, they are not trained to see the signs of diorders - the techniques is given out technically through a tape-recorder or a video. It is not as an enligten Guru gives it to you personal. It is a Mass-production of Sidhas - and many, many Sidhas is suffering from that. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise welcome back ... Somebody high-ranking in the TMO asked me some time back, whether I would like him to act on my behalf, to get myself back in favour. I asked why. He seemed puzzled at my question, but hesitantly mumbled something about 'getting the knowledge that Maharishi is giving out' (sic). Well, I was left puzzled, and am still puzzled. I thought that, according the TM dictum, all you needed to do was to learn TM, which I had, and all else will be added unto you, which to some extent it has. What would I need to do cosying up to someone who would sweettalk me into an organisation that has black lists, and doesn't even feel open enough to reprint the satsangs of its 'guiding light' - Guru Dev? Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from Guru Devs teaching in many ways. Like - if you take money to give out Mantras, you come to Hell etc. etc. I think MMY is aware of that he is fooling people in the West around, and that is why he is so strong about not to see other Gurus. With more knowledge and logical thinking, we are able to see tha Black Holes in MMYs teaching. He has to protect himself and what he has done - that is were all his fear comes from. He had success - Millions of people learned TM - but that did not last - because the foundation was weak (wrong), built on many lies and broken promises. We see the result now. If he had been honest, without fear, not so many had learned TM - but it would have been a much more healthier Organisation - more lasting - more blissfull. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone or convince anyone that they're true or right. I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I will not respond to any comments others make about them, and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups, if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. If others want to comment on them, that's their business. The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer. Here's the first of them: Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of FFL regulars and quotes from others in the TMO) that suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in which the few lingering True Believers are acting out of a profound fear of CC. No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic Cooties. Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, and that to come in contact with these things is to chance getting the cooties on yourself. To doubt the infallible Truth
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually like this idea of MMY's: Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and through their group practice of the technique, the children will create integrated, invincible national consciousness. Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? Ingegerd Eh...did Maharishi invite eurpeans to the Invincible America course ? Ingegerd; do your homework. As far as I have understood, he invites as many Sidhas as possible to do the Program together. It is a TM-Center in Oslo, that is encouraging all Sidhas to come and do the Program. If you do not feel going abroad, it goes a nice bus to that senter. They will probably be happy to see you. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least here in FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs. Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines stand and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular citizen sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy saints and stuff. Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of the TMorg with this new earnest initiative? Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new paradigm, appropriate for the current times -- not the past command and control structures of kali-yuga. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035 We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO should be less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do something mature and responsible about it. Create our own foundation to: - Control donations, accountability and management of to any ME or TMO project - provide a power block to negotiate contracts and new rules with the TMO - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, programs, rules (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, etc.) Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet :-)) as something good. But you miss one central point; what happens within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the success and the failure is all Maharishis Lila. What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is orchestrating. He is at the helm. Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm sorry to say, be a dry and fruitless matter. Isn't this Chopra's goal? He's rumored to be on the verge of offring the sidhis instruction anyway. I remember seeing his website about 5 years ago and he was offering sidhis then. I think also flying. I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own language. Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that time. Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but in a third language. Ingegerd - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most important is is that you have understood it. As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, very regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And I think that it has something to do with the instructions or that somehing is lacking in the instructions. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own language. Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that time. Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but in a third language. Ingegerd - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to- Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instructions are good, but people`s lives could, and should be better. Programme influence life, but life also influence programme. Better life, better programme, and vice versa. Don`t worry, be happy and live always good, and have a nice, blissful TM-Sidhi programme and Yogic Flying. Thank you! I am very happy and have a good life - but it is always nice with good wishes. Ingegerd Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most important is is that you have understood it. As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, very regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And I think that it has something to do with the instructions or that somehing is lacking in the instructions. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own language. Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that time. Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but in a third language. Ingegerd - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to- Phone call rates. - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly? I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not believe in MMY? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is right for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might be. After all it is she who created the reality that she was denied access to the domes. Why blame others? I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should come. Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are pure and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs that have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs. I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what he does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for years - not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should take the first flight to Fairfield - . Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William) Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear residents of Fairfield, Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and whomever else may want Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks comes this Bill William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but the same agenda. *Very* different style, WAY too different to be the same person. My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated effort to discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a vacation because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing of a former TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same person, only that they have the same agenda and are probably on the same payroll. Guess which. Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj and Bill may (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is some formal effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of disgruntled folks is all. Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either spending money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the TMO are wasting their time and money. Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing their silly conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by itself without any help from anyone. Amen. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really so true, Rick, and despite my humorous (I think) response it's exactly the way I feel as well. We talk about MMY more than anyone else because he's been more important in our lives than most other people. That is right. He was the most important in our lives - and that is sad. The most important should be spiritual development. Years ago, before I was kicked out of the TMO, a nasty thought came up,that for further development you have to let go the attachment for the Master also. I denied it then - but it seems that it was the right thing for me. Ingegerd Sal On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Rick Archer wrote: So yes, Maharishi is a liar. He has also spoken a lot of truth. He's a cheat, but he has generously given far more than the average person. He's a fraud, but judging from the benefits many have derived from his teachings, he's the real deal. And also, of course, I'm all those things too. And you are. We all possess all qualities in various measures and degrees of manifestation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nab, maybe it's time to come back from your long visit to the River in Egypt... Sal I am sometimes very happy that my students don't read FFL - I hope it will stay that way. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand that, Ingererd--we're a tough crowd! :) Sal But for an insider - partly entertaining and sometimes - very often - good points. Sometimes I think that when MMY has TB's , he do not need enemies. Ingegerd On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Ingegerd wrote: I am sometimes very happy that my students don't read FFL - I hope it will stay that way. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rejection and the #'s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The worst thing I do that can be considered an offense along the lines considered above is that I occasionally go to my local Hari Krishna temple for the Sunday night feast. I also attend weekly yoga classes. Now, I wonder: if I was totally honest about both those things -- plus, if I refused to stop those activities in the future -- do you think I would be refused a Dome badge? If you are a TM teacher, very likely yes. On my TTC, we were specifically told not to do either (the questioner literally asked about your situation - going to the HK restaurant to eat), because it gives people the impression that we are teaching a technique which does not satisfy ourselves completely. If you are not a TM Teacher, I don't really know what the reply would be. Well! I guess there's a benefit to being a NON-certified TM teacher! Now I can freely go to the HK temple because I am no longer technically a TM teacher! This is just one of the numerous benefits. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/6/06 4:28 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick: I'd really love it if you would go over the list name by name and tell us where they are now and whether they're still doing TM, etc. OK. See below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/6/06 2:53 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: Gerbal, I¹m curious who you are. I presume you¹re maintaining anonymity intentionally. Are you on this list of MMY¹s personal secretaries?: Dr. Hyslop ended up with Sai Baba Don¹t know if he¹s still alive. Probably stopped doing TM when he went with Sai Baba. When Maharishi started teaching the sidhi program, he tried to contact Hyslop to tell him what was going on and presumably woo him back. Charlie Lutes Deceased. Jerry Jarvis - he did it intermittently and sporadically. (he Still doing TM but a big Nisargadatta fan. John Black Poland Spring, Estes Park Now Raja Bright Rob McCutcheon Mallorca Faculty member at the University of Oregon. Doing some kind of Tantric meditation practice. Casey Coleman Mallorca Living in a monastic community in California. Ned Wynn - Mallorca -- Not doing TM Billy Clayton Mallorca/Fiuggi Almost certain he¹s not doing TM. Last I talked with him, he was living at John Gray¹s estate in Marin. Louis Dyson Mallorca/Fiuggi Joined Yogi Bhajan after MMY kicked him out for driving Devendra to the airport. Don¹t know current status. Shannon Dickson Mallorca/Fiuggi Living in Hawaii. Awakened. Working with Tony Parsons: http://www.theopensecret.com/ Anthony Jobbe - Santa Barbara, Europe, U.S. Never knew him Mark Landau - Seelisberg, all over switzerland, greece, germany and the US Living in Santa Fe. Not doing TM as far as I know. Has been with various spiritual teachers. Most recently, Neelam. John Gray Switzerland, Nepal, US You know his story. Not doing TM. Conny Larsson - Switzerland Went to Sai Baba after leaving the TMO. Now a Sai Baba debunker in Sweden. Claes Appelkvist Switzerland Toothless and old beyond his years. Went to Sai Baba, then drugs. Now living as a recluse in Sweden. Jacques Verlinde Became a fundamentalist Christian and TM critic. Tom Factor Still doing TM. Living in Jackson Hole. Working on wind energy projects and snowboarding. Kirby Childress Went crazy. Probably recovered by now. Bob Cranson On Purusha John Cowhig Working for a guitar company in Canada. Spending lots of time in the woods looking for good pieces of wood. Martin Karklins Living in Ontario. Back into beekeeping. Rig Gelfand Working for MUM Ron Dector Doing fine I suspect. Somewhere in Canada. Was working with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson. Neil Paterson Probably in Vlodrop. Reinhart Borowitz Don¹t know. Carl Heinz and Don¹t know. Wolfgang Esch Was married and living in DC. Haven¹t seen him in 19 years. Didrik and Patrick Blad and another brother Don¹t know. What I heard was that Didrik and Patrick Blad turned to Saj Baba after leaving MMY. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha Question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are these diksha providers doing when they give diksha. Are they just giving shaktipat by touching someone on the third eye? I've been looking for a description on both Chalanda Ma and Kalki's web site but they don't explain it other than it being a transmission of energy which is more the result than the process. Note I'm not looking for anything secret here just something anyone would observe when seeing people receive diksha. I do not know much about deeksha, but from what you describe it in your posts on FFL, I think I got one in Moscow by a Professor in Sanskrit, a pandit. He hold his hands over my head chanting Mantras in about 10 minutes I think. He touched my head very carefully. It was very powerfull, and gave a lot of strength and energy afterwards. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Self-Realization/Autobiography of a Yogi/Celebrates 60'
Thank you for posting this. I have read the Autobiography of a Yogi many times. And it gives a lot of inspiration. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Self-Realization Fellowship Celebrates 60th Anniversary of 'Autobiography of a Yogi' By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer 7:34 PM PDT, August 5, 2006 Indian swami Paramahansa Yogananda strode onto the sunny canvass of Los Angeles in 1925 with tales of magic in a far-off place and a meditation technique he said could liberate the soul. The charismatic founder of the religious organization headquartered on Mt. Washington went on to introduce America to yoga and, with his Autobiography of a Yogi, become the 20th century's first superstar guru. More than 4,500 people from around the world will gather at the Westin Bonaventure Hotel in downtown Los Angeles today for the fellowship's annual convocation, featuring a full week of group meditations and evening classes with titles that include Balancing our Spiritual and Material Goals. The bliss you feel in meditation is proof of God's existence, Yogananda liked to say. It was a potent message that attracted fans, including housewives and President Calvin Coolidge, who once met with him in the White House. It also spawned a global religious empire of publications, recordings and valuable real estate that has figured in recent bare- knuckles court battles. This year, the Self-Realization Fellowship is honoring the 60th anniversary of Autobiography with a series of projects designed to promote the legacy of the man thousands of disciples still refer to as master. Today, there are 639 fellowship temples and meditation centers in 62 countries. The fellowship recently translated the yogi's book in its 26th language, Finnish. We hope to next translate the 'Autobiography' next into Slovenian and Russian, said Brother Chidananda, a senior manager of the fellowship. Although I hear there are already bootleg versions in those places. In addition to establishing a worldwide organization, the California guru developed lush meditation centers on prime real estate in Pacific Palisades, Hollywood, Encinitas and San Diego. Yogananda was unique in his time; he seemed to be genuinely sincere, said J. Gordon Melton, director of the Institute for the Study of American Religion in Santa Barbara. He also had a corner on the market. It wasn't until the Beatles hooked up with the Maharishi Yogi in the mid-1960s that Yogananda had any real competition. The dark-skinned yogi with shoulder-length hair and flowing robes held court in almost mystic salons at his landscaped retreats. Among his close friends were symphony conductor Leopold Stokowski, who had an active interest in mysticism; famed horticulturist Luther Burbank, who encouraged plants to grow by speaking to them in soothing tones; and Goodwin Knight, who was a California governor and lieutenant governor in the 1950s and an avid astrologer. Residents of the Mt. Washington complex still talk about the time in the late 1960s when Elvis Presley showed up at their door. Elvis looked at one of our monks and said, 'Man, you made the right choice,' recalled Brother Paramananda, a former actor with a sunny smile who left a promising acting career to devote his life to the fellowship. Elvis said, 'People don't know my life, or that I sometimes cry myself to sleep because I don't know God.' Fellowship leaders encouraged him to continue singing. Yogananda's teaching blended Christianity and the 2nd century Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, a yoga school of philosophy stressing nonviolence, self-discipline, physical exercises, breath control and meditation. In a recent visit to the small study on a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean in Encinitas where Yogananda penned the Autobiography, a monk named Brother Jayananda said, You can feel his vibrations in here. The room off-limits without an appointment has been preserved as a shrine since the yogi's death in 1952. The desk is topped by a framed photograph of Yogananda at work on the book, pen in hand. A big brass Aladdin's lamp sits on a leather seat a few feet to the right. Large white spiral-shaped sea shells are strewed across the floor in front of the fireplace. At Mt. Washington, Yogananda's bedroom has been turned into a shrine where his unfinished last meal of fruit and tea remains wrapped in cellophane. Just around the corner, his collection of stones and minerals sits on a wooden bench in a hallway decorated with portraits of the guru at various ages. There is hardly a patch of wall anywhere in the Mt. Washington or Encinitas compounds without a prominent photograph or portrait of Yogananda, whose visage gazes out in dens and hallways, kitchens and studies, even gazebos. Critics say fellowship members go overboard in venerating their yogi as a godlike figure
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Shri Shri Ravi Shankar/Sell Techniques of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Peter wrote: --- shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: A friend of mine has taken the whole SRI SRI program. it is incompatable with Maharishi's teaching. Well, I've actually taken and practice the whole of SSRS's program along with my TM and TM siddhis program and it is completely compatable with MMY's program. You don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't speaking on whether the techniques which Ravi teaches are compatible or not; I assume they would be, since I was inferring that they are what Maharishi teaches; I was just wondering how much credit he gives to Maharishi, for this teaching; In the same way, I was wondering, how much credit Deepak Chopra; Gives to Maharishi, for all the knowledge he plagerized from him. That's all. I just wanted to bitch. Nothing personal; I just think it's strange that these people teach what Maharishi teaches, and just never give him any credit. Deepak Chopra is a persona-non-grata in the TMO. As a TM-Teacher we were not allowed to even mention his name - and use any tape or book that could refer to him. I think it is the same with Chopra. He is not allowed to refer to MMY - because the TMO is afraid to be mixed with Chopra. Chopra use a lot of techniques that obviously not comes from MMY - just read his books - and you will see that. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I have already included mention of the sexual allegations in the biography, but I draw a line at the 'poisoning'. However, should RK provide me with a dub of his interview with Swaroopanand, I would not hesitate in sharing its contents with a wider audience. Exactly; where there is filth and lies, Paul Mason is there right away. Always prepared to try to make a buck. Paul is one of my favourites in FFL - because he has been very generous to share his knowledge with all of us. He has laid his knowledge of Guru Dev on Internet - that we can load down for free. I really appreciate his contributions. What contributions have you made - accept for quoting Benjamin Creme? I take for granted that you have checked out with MMY that you can serve two Masters. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victory Beef or War?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/5/06 2:59 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.whatfilms.com/vbw/index2.php Pretty cool. Very professionally put together. I wonder who did it? Now if only they could get rid of all the insane stuff which scares people away once they scratch beneath the surface, this could take off. The problem as I see it is that those running the movement have no choice but to adhere to the following logic: 1. Maharishi is enlightened. 2. Therefore, everything he thinks and says expresses the truth, even though I and the world at large may not understand it. 3. Therefore, I should stay in tune with his thinking (as I am told to do). 4. Therefore, on the one hand, I¹ll present the scientifically proven benefits of TM and hope that the people I¹m presenting them to don¹t find out about Rajas, Majesties, World¹s Tallest Buildings, Damn Democracy, Praise Robert Mugabe, destroy and rebuild the world¹s cities, etc., until they are as ³sold out² as I am. It must be like balancing on an edge for the recert.Teacher. Do they have to tell about the Majesties in the first TM-lecture and present the Raja in their country later on - or do they try to hide it as long as possible. For us the Independent TM-Teacher, it is quite easy, we can laugh it away, telling that we are not a part of that nonsens. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica Kosti#263; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is completely OK to sign an Agreement. Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM-Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd As TM-Teachers, we have signed a lot of Agreements Forma through the years. The TMO is almost papanoia about Agreement Forms - how to tie people to the TMO. Now, when I am out of it - I can see that the TMO is run by fear. Ingegerd - Groups are talking. Weacute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Ingegerd wrote: I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. What is in the Agreement Form that makes it so onerous to sign? It is one made for Norway - I do not know about other countries. Ingegerd So, have you already given us a translation? I do not have the translation in english - . It is a one-page agreement form - which says the usual stuff - that MGANL have all the rights to teach out MMY Vedic Science incl. Transcendental Meditation, and that all other Agreements signed between TMO and the TM-Teacher counts as well. The Agreement can be cancelled of both parts - both the TM- Teacher and the TMO in Norway (a board where both TM-Teachers and Sidhas can be members) The TM-Teacher is not allowed to talk about how the organisation is runned incl. finances - and promise to be loyal to the organisations goal and how it is runned. These are the main points. Ingegerd Dryly: the stuff cults are made of. Did they require you to sign away rights to any patents you come up with while an employee? I have sent the Agreements forms in English to FFL earlier - maybe you can find them and read them by yourself. I do not want to go through the Forms once again - because I have laid it behind me. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email I just sent to an old friend who's trying to get me in the dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/4/06 8:14 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: Did Mitterrand claim to be a life celibate, in large part base his reputation on that claim, and convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle? Has Maharishi rescently claimed to be a life celibate? What's your source for this claim ? I don¹t know about recently, but he claimed it many times over the years. It used to be part of his name: ³Bal Brahmachari Mahesh² To convince hundreds of his followers to adopt that lifestyle seems to be a very good thing indeed. I was a celibate for 12 years and it is a wonderful lifestyle. I agree. I just find the hypocrisy and deception puzzling. I recall hearing on a course back in the early 70s' that his name did not include BAL - it was just Bramachari Mahesh. We speculated if that meant that he had had sexual relations before devoting himself to Guru Dev. Others know more than I about this, but I think Bal means lifelong, so if you have ever had sex, you cannot use the term Bal in front of your name. Early in the 70ths we used to call MMY when we participated at SCI- courses and weekend-courses - and the question about sex did come up from time to time. MMY always handled the questions - that he was not able to answer questions about sex, because he himself was a monk. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!
I know TM-Teachers that really want to participate the Course, and has never touched any other spiritual leader, than MMY. But they can not go, because they have to be accepted by the national Course Office, and to sign a stupid Agreement Form with the TMO, which they do not want to sign. So I will say that the TMO now reap what they hav sowed. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they would've charged, there would've been next to no one attending. On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:32 PM, feste37 wrote: The reason for this discrepancy between the number registered and the number attending is that the course is free. People who have no particular interest in going to the dome are getting their badges updated because they think that perhaps, maybe, they might want to put in an appearance at some time in the future. But mostly they don't go. The movement is always criticized for being too much concerned with money, but now they are offering something of value for nothing, it becomes clear that unless you charge something, people don't value what you offer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 11,000,000 slaves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Fidel Castro and his communist regime enslave 11,000,000 Cubans. Castro may be on death's door. If he dies, the move towards freeing the 11,000,000 may be underway. Freedom american style I presume... Where is the freedom for the poor and the blacks in that country ? Dream on shemp; USA is loosing it's grip on the worlds population who are increasingly seeing that your so- called freedom is just slavery to a cruel capitalism. Which will have to go. Communism is the most advanced and intelligent political system. Maharishi, Germany 1982 Communism is gone, the next to go is capitalism. Maharishi (1989 ?) Like I've said before, Maharishi would be well advised to stay away from saying things about politics, economics and other fields he has no clue about. I read somewhere that Fidel Castro is a very wealthy man - and so is MMY - .So it seems that it is not much difference between a communist or a capitalist when it comes to money. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip
i hope you will be back on FFL. I like your posts. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drive mindfully! Peace, Vaj On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:49 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Yesterday was a real wake-up call for me. I started the day with a great meditation that left me happy and fulfilled, and followed it up with laughing and joking with friends over coffee in the corner cafe. None of them meditate, but they rejoice in life, and consistently find ways to share their joy with others. There was not an ounce of fear or disharmony around the table. And then I went home and logged onto FFL, and it was like diving into a cesspool. I was plunged into the words of 30-year meditators who were advocating the use of nuclear weapons on millions of people whose only crime was to be born in a country and a culture the 30-year meditators are terrified of. I read the words of those who supported that stance for no other reason than because it gave them another way to slam someone on FFL they don't like. I saw again the TMO's 'selective focus' in reporting the 'News,' and trying to take credit for those selective reports, while distancing themselves from the bigger stories they can't see because of the blinders they're wearing, and have been wearing for so long. I was reminded of the way that the TMO deals with those who don't believe what they're supposed to, and how some of these same 30-year meditators here see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Suffice it to say that it was a real bringdown. This morning the experience repeated itself. Within moments I was right back in the shit again, reacting and posting stuff just as lowvibe as the things I was reading. I've now deleted them. Enough already. My thanks to Rick for creating such a forum, where people can do what they are not allowed to do in the TMO -- express their doubts and their questions along with their fervent beliefs. At the same time, my apologies to Rick and everyone here for my part in turning it into a more contentious forum than it needed to be. My thanks also to Kirk, Vaj, Jim, Tom T., Sal, Dr. Pete, Rory, George, Paul, Michael, Shemp, cardemeister, and all of the others who have consistently demonstrated that one can survive the TMO with one's spiritual hopes intact, and with some sense of style. You have all posted many great comments and experiences for me to ponder, and I have. I have also pondered the things that others have said about my participation here, and have come to the conclusion that they were correct. I don't belong here; the nasty things that are said get to me and all too often goad me into participating in and perpetuating -- if not deepening -- the nastiness. Kirk was right in his decision to leave FFL, and for the right reasons. He found many of the discussions here, the way they are handled, and the mindset of the 'handlers' too heartbreaking for him to endure. He wisely moved on. I join him in that decision, and in the quest for people who more closely share my own sensibilities. Road Trip time. I'm taking August off from reading and posting to *all* of the Internet forums I have been participating in, not just FFL. With any luck I will not return to any of them. Thanks to all here for being one of the catalysts to make me realize that I need to hit the road. I wish you all well in your own travels, wherever they may lead you. Unc/Barry To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of program, two security guards ushered him out. So much for the World Peace. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are nitpicking in the extreme But, just for the record I will deal with your problem. Hey Paul. Here you are fighting with a Norwegian Viking. I go for you to win the battle. Ingegerd I maintain that Tat Wale Baba was probably the closest neighbour to the Maharishi Ashram, (and yes he had a few sadhus share the land around his cave; I didn't say he lived in isolation). I would not include the ashrams of Swargashram as being neighbours as in those days these ashrams only catered for wandering pilgrims and did not offer any permanent lodging. The usual limitation was three days for those wearing the cloth no more than a few weeks stay for visiting westerners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Baba was probably the closest neighbour at that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Utter rubbish ! There was only one path from the road up to his cave, at least when you came close to the cave, and on the way you would see many dvellings and huts occupied by recluses, some of them just a short distance down the path from Tat Wala Baba's cave. To say that Tat Wale Baba was Maharishi's closest neighbour is a lie. Even the big Ashrams at the Ganges are closer to Shankaracharya Nagar. Which is obvious to anyone who has been there, but not to someone like Paul Mason who has a different agenda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ingegerd, the irony is that mapping the Rishikesh area has been something of an obsession with me since I first stayed in Swargashram in 1970. Why only a few months ago I walked via Tat Wala Baba's cave into the hills high above where the buffalos graze. So I was just sharing my knowledge of the geography of the local area around Rishikesh, Swargashram and the forests, gained from repeated visits to the area over the last thirty-five years or so. I wish I could have been there - . I have a picture of Tat Wala Baba on my computer. Everytime it is a pause, Guru Dev and Tat Wala Baba comes up. He has very beautiful eyes. Ingegerd I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Now you are nitpicking in the extreme But, just for the record I will deal with your problem. Hey Paul. Here you are fighting with a Norwegian Viking. I go for you to win the battle. Ingegerd I maintain that Tat Wale Baba was probably the closest neighbour to the Maharishi Ashram, (and yes he had a few sadhus share the land around his cave; I didn't say he lived in isolation). I would not include the ashrams of Swargashram as being neighbours as in those days these ashrams only catered for wandering pilgrims and did not offer any permanent lodging. The usual limitation was three days for those wearing the cloth no more than a few weeks stay for visiting westerners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Baba was probably the closest neighbour at that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Utter rubbish ! There was only one path from the road up to his cave, at least when you came close to the cave, and on the way you would see many dvellings and huts occupied by recluses, some of them just a short distance down the path from Tat Wala Baba's cave. To say that Tat Wale Baba was Maharishi's closest neighbour is a lie. Even the big Ashrams at the Ganges are closer to Shankaracharya Nagar. Which is obvious to anyone who has been there, but not to someone like Paul Mason who has a different agenda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 27, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Hi Ingegerd, the irony is that mapping the Rishikesh area has been something of an obsession with me since I first stayed in Swargashram in 1970. Why only a few months ago I walked via Tat Wala Baba's cave into the hills high above where the buffalos graze. So I was just sharing my knowledge of the geography of the local area around Rishikesh, Swargashram and the forests, gained from repeated visits to the area over the last thirty-five years or so. I wish I could have been there - . I have a picture of Tat Wala Baba on my computer. Everytime it is a pause, Guru Dev and Tat Wala Baba comes up. He has very beautiful eyes. Ingegerd Always reminded me of Tonto. Who is Tonto? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 27, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 27, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Hi Ingegerd, the irony is that mapping the Rishikesh area has been something of an obsession with me since I first stayed in Swargashram in 1970. Why only a few months ago I walked via Tat Wala Baba's cave into the hills high above where the buffalos graze. So I was just sharing my knowledge of the geography of the local area around Rishikesh, Swargashram and the forests, gained from repeated visits to the area over the last thirty-five years or so. I wish I could have been there - . I have a picture of Tat Wala Baba on my computer. Everytime it is a pause, Guru Dev and Tat Wala Baba comes up. He has very beautiful eyes. Ingegerd Always reminded me of Tonto. Who is Tonto? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonto_%28Lone_Ranger_character%29 Tonto had this siddhi where he would just show up at the right time and then he'd disappear just as mysteriously, usually without making a sound. Sounds like TWB - he does the same thing on my computer. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lebanon, MMY, TMO and Fairfield Life..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have not had time to check postings here but need to express my alarm and concern at what is happening over there and how EASILY it could escalate and bring a Baghdad-like scenario to many areas of the world. Several years ago, when still a believer of MMY the yogic flying social effect, I highlighted the need to concentrate Movement resources on certain key projects - my priority was establishing a permanent invincibility group in Lebanon or Israel. This area was the open wound in the world where most of the threats to world peace emmaneted from. Given that Raja Ram was himself Lebanese I thought naively that MMY would be persuaded to focus resources in this region - and given the population sizes involved it seemed a very feasible objective. I wonder now whether all this talk of invincibility is just a pipedream anyway, but if it isn't what a trajedy, what short-sightedness, blindness, STUPIDITY we have witnessed from the TMO in its dealings with this region. There are about 7 million Israelis - a group of 250 would have been sufficient to shepherd the country's tendencies towards less belligerent lines - and would have avoided the chaos for the world that now is being unleashed. Instead we have had 50 years languishing in the wilderness of indecision, chasing hopeless mirages and getting precisely NOWHERE in realising the potentialities of this knowledge. Yet again a TMO project - now invincible Holland - turns out to be too little too late and in the wrong geographic orientation anyway. What were those astrologers advising MMY doing anyway, not seeing danger signs on the horizon which anyone with common sense could easily have forseen. MMY and the TMO made a big deal about their ideas being reported in the Jerusalem Post recently but we all know this really amounts to a complete FAILURE of vision and leadership. I do hope there are people in this forum that share my disappointment. It will be my last posting otherwise Of course I agree with you. As far as I remember Israel had 1 % meditators some years ago - so the Maharishi-effect should have been there. I have my doubts about the Maharishi-effect - and referring to the Kaplans letter MMY has doubts too. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times, and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis, this is an old technique, it's nothing new. They are best given through ones natural love of deity (a particular form or personal deity) or by the persons individual capacity and constitution. The only thing unique about TM is the name and a canned checking procedure (which is quite clever, but limited). People need to get over this sad clinging that it is so unique. It's not. It's ubiquitous. One could even add that in it's broader setting, there are more techniques that expand on this basic instruction (i.e. TM). And as Pete points out, the highest yoga is guru-yoga. Guru-yoga can be given as a technique and but is not limited by time or distance (i.e. proximity to the guru). For example one can receive blessing from even ancient masters if one knows the guru-yoga they used. There are even guru-yogas for awakening specific states. Is it possible to buy some books about ancient masters and their blessings in guru-yoga? Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it verified? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. And yet another comment from Dana: I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. But this thing, of our experiencing live mantrah, something that exists on its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into Self, is that thing which makes TM so very precious. This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - return to the mantra once you realize you're off of it. The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing amazing or unusual about their practice (and time spent exploring the mainline Hindu traditions points this up) the sooner they'll understand why even after 35 years of regular meditation they still aren't enlightened. There is no magic technique. Maharishi was able to convince Westerners that there was simply because young Westerners didn't know better. TM is relaxing and relaxing is nice. All these years of practice by Westerners proves that TM isn't the magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was, then Asians already practicing it would have been enlightened long ago. This is my experience too. TM is good - because it gives good relaxation. But if we want something more - enlightenment - we have to add something else. And so far I cannot see that the TMO has come up with that. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Are these the words you believe indicate that the TM technique came from Guru Dev? This is just one example. I think that if you ask any TM-Teacher, most of them, maybe all, believe that TM belongs to the Holy Tradition, that we refer to as teachers and the picture of Guru Dev on the Puja Table is a part of that. Maybe MMY talks with two tongues - but in my opinion he has mislead the TM-Teachers. It is only after I was kicked out of the TMO - I have started to question what MMY really teached us. I have no answers - but doubts. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Ingegerd Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. Well, perhaps you should read it again. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Right, with the issue still unclarified. I've made a reasoned case for my interpretation. You haven't addressed it at all, and all Paul has produced is a bunch of fulminating non sequiturs. *That's* where we are. You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. It is good to analyse and use reason and logic - and we can probably do that. But in the TM-world - it was not much analysing and logic thinking when it came to TM og Deep meditation (which was the first name MMY came up with). MMY was an excellent seller of TM - and one of his sales-techniques was maybe, that Deep Meditation came directly from the Holy Tradition - and given to MMY from Guru Dev. The big interest in the early days was related to that - an old meditation method - given out in the original way - and that is what all TM-Teachers say when they teach. I learned the technique from MMY - he learned it from Guru Dev - which again learned it from his Master and so on and so on. I am not sure that if MMY had come to the West saying that - this is a meditation method that I have developed - that he would have had the same success from the beginning. We were somehow brainwashed from the start - to think in a certain direction. I feel I can say that - because I learned Deep meditation in 1962 and has been deep in the TMO in almost all these years. I still think he fooled us. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev ( other
other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as
taught
by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Guru Dev explains:-
'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of
meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and
somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta
mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result.
There is no doubt about this. japaat siddhirjapaat
siddhirnasaMshayaaH.
source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma,
quoting
from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started
teaching
meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal
Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make
us
happier in every walk of life.
source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA
AND
RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also
the
Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY
announced to the press:-
'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
impart to the world.'
source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back
home
in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation
teaching had begun to be revised:-
'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from
him
(Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions
of
religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism
has
its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the
reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the
traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language.
I
gave it an expression in the universal way...
source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation
to
MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would
be
more acceptable to non-Hindus.
I am not sure that MMY changed the Mantras that he personal gave
out. At my knowledge he did give out Mantras of Indian Gods. But he
changed for the TM-Teachers to give out other Mantras. I received a
mantra from MMY personal - and that is different from what TM-
Teachers gives out.
Ingegerd
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And how many of these group flying excursions back in the late 1970's resulted in the wrong effect? Iran, for instance, wound up with a theocracy after MMY sent fliers there. Is that a bad thing? Yes. Why ? When we where in Iran everybody, including the embassy personell expected that the Shah would use troops on his own population and they feared a civil war. Nothing happened, not 1 person injured. The Shah just quietly slipped out of the country. Same thing in the Philippines. To understand what Maharishi has done for the world requires a little more insight than the above noozguru manages to come up with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
Wow - your associations gets far beyond mine - . Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: Wow - your associations gets far beyond mine - . Ingegerd It was just a silly joke. I like your sense of humour. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: So, Lupidus has changed the name to Nablus? It is hard for Leopards to change their spots. Maybe it's some kind of spiritual name change within Benjamin Creme's organization. As I understand it, 'Lupidus' means 'Wolf' whereas 'Nablus' means 'Big Bad Wolf.' Sounds like a promotion to me... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days - I rather listen to a Guru who is innocent without 5-6 billions Dollars in the bank. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Wow, these guy's, these musicians, are really drawing a lot of media attention from all over the world...Perhaps, this will allow me to spread Guru Dev's Knowledge, must faster; that would be a good ting. I know that you like to inspire yourself with positive thoughts about Maharishi, and that's cool. But I couldn't help but notice a phrase in your post, and how it's been *missing* in Maharishi's pronouncements for some time now. In many, if not most, of the messages reposted here, the name of Guru Dev rarely comes up. Instead, it's *my* teaching, *my* TM technique, *my* work. My, my, my. Here's a project for you aspiring academics. Go back in TM history and see when Maharishi's language changed from doing his teacher's work to wanting to get credit for his own. I would bet that about that time the TMO's reputation in the world began its downward spiral. Different intent, different effect. It happened about 3 years ago when he changed the price structure up to $2500, and a bunch of TM teachers said I dont wanna so MMY said Hey, it's MY technique, not yours, so *I* get to set the price. He STILL refers to Gurudev constantly, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
The World and the TM-Teachers and the Sidhas has been so generous to MMY through all the years - made it available to collect 5-6 billions Dollars. MMY has said over and over again that if you give something - you will get a good Karma. I think it would be wise of MMY to give a gift to the TM-Teachers and Sidhas, let the course be free and pay whatever they loose in work salary - it might give him a good Karma - I think he will need it. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2101 At thirty bucks a day the guru's billions could fund a virtual wave of yogic flyers to cover the earth, but something tells me that if Maharishi had to personally pay for his peace plan the guru's spiritual air force would be grounded. Oh yeah, there's a cogent comment. Does he think they'll be eating and sleeping at the local county jail? No, per the present plan, they'll be eating for 30 bucks a day and sleeping on someone's sofa. All while giving up their paychecks from work for two months. :-) This will appeal to some, and they will get tremendous benefit from it. But here's a riddle for you. I remember in the past that you've been a big proponent of the the TMO can't spend its capital because it needs it for the future. So explain this to me -- Maharishi's doing the Big Fear Trip again, implying that if people don't flock to this course, at their expense (albeit less expensive than some courses in the past), Dire Things are going to happen to the world. Did I get that right? Yes. Ok, so here's the quandary: if the times are so tough that there may not *BE* a future, what is the purpose of all those billions the TMO has stashed away? The TMO has always struck me as being poor. Seems to me that if *HE* believed the stuff he's saying, he'd have made some of that money available to make the room and board of this course free, He can't. Its impossible. and in fact offer to make up for at least a portion of the participants' salary. Do the math -- if we're talking a total of 3000 siddhas, at a cost of $30 a day for food, add in another $70 a day for housing, and compensate each of them who has to leave a job (say 60%, because many may be married and unworking or retired or well-to-do), say, %3000 a month for lost salary, that comes to a grand total of $1,380,000. One could make the case for that being a drop in the bucket compared to the billions that the TMO is reputed to have as assets. One could also make the case that this drop in the bucket might be worth spending if the situation is as dire as he implies, and the very future of the planet is at stake. The situation IS dire...for seekers. Or one could make the people who have been paying for such emergency courses for decades do so again. Oh, what's a person who really cares about world peace to do? Meditate and gain Self-Realization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days You mean, you think he lied in SBAL and the Gita commentary, and TM was really *Guru Dev*'s technique? But wait, you said above Maybe TM is MMY techniques... and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. Which is it? I think MMY made the commentary in the Gita from his point of view, from his consciousness -. I have read other commentaries, that struck me is from a more enlightened view. I used to accept every word that came from MMYs lips as the ultimate truth - I do not do that any more. As a TM-Teacher we were told to say to the Meditators that TM is an very old technique, which comes from the chankarycharia tradition and MMY received that technique from Guru Dev. I doubt it. I think that MMY made his own technique - but most TM- Teachers truly believe that the techniques comes from Guru Dev. Sorry - but I have doubts in MMY. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inversion Tables
Have you tried Acupuncture? It is a miracle how it works.
Ingegerd
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Anyone here use them for back problems?
I'm curious about results. I've got a couple
of problem spots in
mid-back and lower back, and
yoga/chiropractic/exercise, etc. nothing
seems to work right now and someone suggested
an inversion table.
Appreciated
HP
Have you tried MAK, both types?
Well, I tried the Ak Mak regular crackers and they
didn't do a thing.
Then I tried the sesame Ak Maks and I had a hard
time getting the
sesame seeds out from between my teeth. Did
nothing for my back though.
what is MAK?
Maharishi Amrit Kalash, super-duper freed radical
scavangers. They cut inflamation like
nobody's business.
It does?
He's a *True Believer* and can't help saying things like that,
forgive
him.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days You mean, you think he lied in SBAL and the Gita commentary, and TM was really *Guru Dev*'s technique? But wait, you said above Maybe TM is MMY techniques... and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. Which is it? I think MMY made the commentary in the Gita from his point of view, from his consciousness -. I have read other commentaries, that struck me is from a more enlightened view. I used to accept every word that came from MMYs lips as the ultimate truth - I do not do that any more. As a TM-Teacher we were told to say to the Meditators that TM is an very old technique, which comes from the chankarycharia tradition and MMY received that technique from Guru Dev. I doubt it. I think that MMY made his own technique - but most TM- Teachers truly believe that the techniques comes from Guru Dev. Sorry - but I have doubts in MMY. Ingegerd Please don't be sorry about doubts in MMY. I think it is actually quite a good thing to have doubts about Maharishi, especially if he has been blindly followed all these years. Otherwise, how do you know who he is and who you are, if these blind assumptions are not at some point examined? Good for you! Thank you. It is quite a process to be deprogrammed, and starting to listen to ones own inner voice. The strange thing is that my meditation experiences is much stronger after I let MMY go and started to evaluate myself -. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - long before that. Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi for good and bad? Ingegerd MMY has made it clear from the start that TM is his baby, *based* on Gurudev's teachings. Did you somehow miss this, as presented in SOBAL and the Gita commentaries? I am a bit sceptical about what MMY says and has written these days You mean, you think he lied in SBAL and the Gita commentary, and TM was really *Guru Dev*'s technique? But wait, you said above Maybe TM is MMY techniques... and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all meditators about that fact. Which is it? I think MMY made the commentary in the Gita from his point of view, from his consciousness -. I have read other commentaries, that struck me is from a more enlightened view. I used to accept every word that came from MMYs lips as the ultimate truth - I do not do that any more. As a TM-Teacher we were told to say to the Meditators that TM is an very old technique, which comes from the chankarycharia tradition and MMY received that technique from Guru Dev. I doubt it. I think that MMY made his own technique I guess I didn't make myself clear. Your original statement and your response to Lawson seemed to be contradictory. Your original statement doubted that TM came from Guru Dev; when Lawson told you MMY has said from the beginning that he had devised the technique, and that he says this in SBAL and his Gita commentary, you said you didn't trust what he's written, implying that he *didn't* devise the technique. - but most TM- Teachers truly believe that the techniques comes from Guru Dev. Actually, the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers makes it very clear that the technique comes from MMY, albeit the knowledge that made devising the technique possible came from Guru Dev. And this essay was certainly approved by MMY. What MMY says is that he *revived* the technique, that it had been lost. Domash says MMY figured out, on the basis of his experience of Guru Dev's teaching and study of the ancient texts, what the original technique *must have been*. I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. If you are a TM-Teacher - think about what you are saying in the steps before you do the Puja. Ingegerd Sorry - but I have doubts in MMY. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. Thank you for the clarification. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
In the years before the house in Rishikesh was built, 50 % of the initiating fees from all over the world, went to India to build the house. With that in mind - I think the house should have been worthy millions of Dollars - . So where did all the money go? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/06 9:51:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: to see the master walking on the petals who lived in a million dollar stecketo house overlookin' the Himalayas. Is this an accurate description of MMY's house in Rishikesh? Maybe 5 to 10 thousand dollar house over looking the Ganges. Brick and concrete, maybe 16,000 square feet at best, plain and simple labor and materials were, and still are, dirt cheap in India. In today's market one could buy a house like that in India for about 20k. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
In the years before the house in Rishikesh was built, 50 % of the initiating fees from all over the world, went to India to build the house. With that in mind - I think the house should have been worthy millions of Dollars - . So where did all the money go? Ingegerd The house and ashram would have been built and completed before the Beatles era began. Initiation's were few, teacher training courses small, and fees very small and not always collected back then. The movement was not worth millions before the Beatles came along. Also the Movement did have to lease the land from the Indian government because it was built in a national forest. I have no idea what the cost of the lease was but I hear it has since expired and never renewed. I wish I had a photo of the place. M's house was a small bungalow, maybe 1600 square ft. far from a mansion and nothing like what he lives in today. I think in one of my earlier posts I may have said 16000 square feet, if I did, I meant 1600. 50% of 1/2 month salary, which was the course fee, when I learned TM in 1962, went to India. It was not that many TM-Teachers, but the teaching was different, not much following-up by the teacher. I received the Mantra one day, and met the teacher the next day to check the Mantra. And that was it. So my teacher went around Scandinavia, and initiated thousands of people - it was really big courses because it was so new. I think other countries had the same experiences. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uplifting few minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/24/06 5:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman shirleybrahman@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lwTAYeyv9Usearch=amma I'll save the other two for later...this one was lovely. Thanks for posting it. And they banned you from the dome from wanting to see her, Rick? Speaks volumes. She gives out mantras and competes for donations. (Their words to another person.) Lot of words like that under the bridge, yup. There's a better video. I'll post it if I find the link. That would be nice. She touch your heart. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/21/06 1:53 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sick people? What course was this? Vedic Science, New Delhi? The 5000 Vedic Course in New Delhi - where the fifth floor was established as an Hospital - and the dogs and cats and what ever was walking in the vegetables is the backyard and the big icecubes were stored in the toilettes. Ingegerd I was on that 5th floor for a while. Quite a scene. You could see the kitchen hygiene by looking out the window. Veggie choppers sitting on the ground with their dirty feed in the veggies they were chopping. I have some pictures of this. My diet was very simple at the course - Rice and hot milk - and I avoided the 5th floor. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/21/06 2:34 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote: And my sin was even bigger. I refused to see MMY when the course was over, because I could not stand the smell and the whole atmosphere. A very bad thing to do, I was told. Ingegerd The smell and atmosphere around MMY? He was always surrounded by flowers. How could you not have liked the smell? It was the smell in the building - the whole atmosphere with all the sick people. I am sure MMY was surrounded by flowers, but that was not in my mind. That you were more concerned with the negative then with the positive says something about where YOU were coming from. Perhaps this was a result of unstressing due to the course, or perhaps you simply were coming to a realization that the TMO wasn't for you, or some combinaion of the two. You are the knower, you tell me. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, that helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the root of all problems. That should only stop you from failing to give your own development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also* engaging in charitable activities. Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd world countries where large groups have been taught for free. But there's an explicit doctrine in the TMO that our role is to teach people to transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, cloth, house, them, etc. From that perspective, your money gets the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable organizations. Now if the TMO were to use all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there wouldn't be a problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the attitude among his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement become haughty and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told them not to fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and superior. Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and demand to be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one reserved for them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the squandering of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas running the Indian movement. And in week-end-courses with WPA at the same place, the rules was that Sidhas should not talk and eat or mingle with ordinary meditators. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/20/06 1:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We did not see much. I spend a week In India after the big 5000 Vedic course - (the aweful one - that we never spoke about) to see Taj Mahal - and was almost lynched by the TMO - because I was not one-pointed enough. I was so fed up with the whole thing - the lack of hygiene - the food - the sick people - that I wanted to see something nice before we went home. Ingegerd Ingegerd, I remember when my TTC got to Fuiggi Italy, M told all of us to remain one pointed and stay on the course and at the end we would all go to Rome before the end of the course. Naturally most everybody sneaked off every now and then for a day in Rome. One night in lecture a few days before the course was over some poor girl got up on the mic and asked M when we would go to Rome and he said very puzzled like, You haven't been yet? And my sin was even bigger. I refused to see MMY when the course was over, because I could not stand the smell and the whole atmosphere. A very bad thing to do, I was told. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.
I really want to meet Amma - do you know if she is coming to Europe? Ingegerd Cute one Bob. You're such a warm, fussy guy. When Amma comes to LA, you should go and get a big hug. Sounds like you need one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
