Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!

2015-07-06 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How could you do TMSP on the beach? Inflatable life raft or some such?

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 5:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
   
    The Greeks vote for an end to the austerity politics that the EU and IMF 
have imposed on them since they had to be rescued from bankruptcy. Be 
interesting to see what happens next, some of them might have to delay 
retirement past the age of 50, and other horrors. 
They should never have been allowed to join the Euro anyway, all these poor 
countries playing on a level field with Germany and France, it was bound to end 
in tears. So they might as well get it over with and go back to the Drachma. 
But with all money connected worldwide we'll all feel the effects of a break-up 
in the Euro.
Interestingly the UK has similar levels of public debt, the difference with us 
is our creditors still think we might be able to pay it back if we destroy more 
public services and sell the remains to the private sector so the people we owe 
money to can make even more out of us.
It's all gone horribly wrong somewhere, the banks wreck society and have to be 
bailed out by the government who say they don't have that sort of money lying 
around so the banks say don't worry, we'll lend it to you. £1.5 trillion later 
and we still don't know what's going to be required to sort it out. But pity 
the Greeks, their biggest export is strained yoghurt and there's only a few of 
them who pay tax, the rest work for the government
I had the best summer ever living on beaches on Greek islands, I got all Jason 
and the Argonauts cooking fish and potatoes over an open fire every night. Once 
a week we'd go to a taverna and drink in the culture with dancing and ouzo then 
watch the stars come out over the sea. All rather excellent. I'd do it again in 
a heartbeat but I don't know if it's still possible now everything is 
Euro-legal. Are people allowed to just sleep rough on beaches anywhere? Sleep 
on the decks of ferries to save money? Loads of European kids used to do it for 
a cheap summer holiday in paradise, nowadays most are too worried about how 
dossing about will look on their CV's. Fucking politicians ruin everything..

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!

2015-07-06 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That is almost enough to make me go back to TMSP!
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

How could you do TMSP on the beach? Inflatable life raft or some such?
LOL, no this was long before my life as a TMer. Would like to try meditating 
there though - nice and quiet when you get to an isolated spot. The trouble 
with sitting still on a beach is that insects find you, there are some mighty 
big and fast spiders out there, not conducive to deep relaxation.
What we need is one of these:
Could go yogic flying down the beach, that'd raise some eyebrows!
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 5:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
 
 The Greeks vote for an end to the austerity politics that the EU and IMF 
have imposed on them since they had to be rescued from bankruptcy. Be 
interesting to see what happens next, some of them might have to delay 
retirement past the age of 50, and other horrors. 
They should never have been allowed to join the Euro anyway, all these poor 
countries playing on a level field with Germany and France, it was bound to end 
in tears. So they might as well get it over with and go back to the Drachma. 
But with all money connected worldwide we'll all feel the effects of a break-up 
in the Euro.
Interestingly the UK has similar levels of public debt, the difference with us 
is our creditors still think we might be able to pay it back if we destroy more 
public services and sell the remains to the private sector so the people we owe 
money to can make even more out of us.
It's all gone horribly wrong somewhere, the banks wreck society and have to be 
bailed out by the government who say they don't have that sort of money lying 
around so the banks say don't worry, we'll lend it to you. £1.5 trillion later 
and we still don't know what's going to be required to sort it out. But pity 
the Greeks, their biggest export is strained yoghurt and there's only a few of 
them who pay tax, the rest work for the government
I had the best summer ever living on beaches on Greek islands, I got all Jason 
and the Argonauts cooking fish and potatoes over an open fire every night. Once 
a week we'd go to a taverna and drink in the culture with dancing and ouzo then 
watch the stars come out over the sea. All rather excellent. I'd do it again in 
a heartbeat but I don't know if it's still possible now everything is 
Euro-legal. Are people allowed to just sleep rough on beaches anywhere? Sleep 
on the decks of ferries to save money? Loads of European kids used to do it for 
a cheap summer holiday in paradise, nowadays most are too worried about how 
dossing about will look on their CV's. Fucking politicians ruin everything..



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!

2015-07-06 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I had forgotten about those - I had one for a long time. 

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 2:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
   
    It reminds me of the old porta-foams for flying. I forget who created those 
in FF but they were great when I was busy trying to compress my spine twice a 
day! They had straps for your legs and you could fly anywhere.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

That is almost enough to make me go back to TMSP!
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

How could you do TMSP on the beach? Inflatable life raft or some such?
LOL, no this was long before my life as a TMer. Would like to try meditating 
there though - nice and quiet when you get to an isolated spot. The trouble 
with sitting still on a beach is that insects find you, there are some mighty 
big and fast spiders out there, not conducive to deep relaxation.
What we need is one of these:
Could go yogic flying down the beach, that'd raise some eyebrows!
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 5:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Acropolis Now!
 
 The Greeks vote for an end to the austerity politics that the EU and IMF 
have imposed on them since they had to be rescued from bankruptcy. Be 
interesting to see what happens next, some of them might have to delay 
retirement past the age of 50, and other horrors. 
They should never have been allowed to join the Euro anyway, all these poor 
countries playing on a level field with Germany and France, it was bound to end 
in tears. So they might as well get it over with and go back to the Drachma. 
But with all money connected worldwide we'll all feel the effects of a break-up 
in the Euro.
Interestingly the UK has similar levels of public debt, the difference with us 
is our creditors still think we might be able to pay it back if we destroy more 
public services and sell the remains to the private sector so the people we owe 
money to can make even more out of us.
It's all gone horribly wrong somewhere, the banks wreck society and have to be 
bailed out by the government who say they don't have that sort of money lying 
around so the banks say don't worry, we'll lend it to you. £1.5 trillion later 
and we still don't know what's going to be required to sort it out. But pity 
the Greeks, their biggest export is strained yoghurt and there's only a few of 
them who pay tax, the rest work for the government
I had the best summer ever living on beaches on Greek islands, I got all Jason 
and the Argonauts cooking fish and potatoes over an open fire every night. Once 
a week we'd go to a taverna and drink in the culture with dancing and ouzo then 
watch the stars come out over the sea. All rather excellent. I'd do it again in 
a heartbeat but I don't know if it's still possible now everything is 
Euro-legal. Are people allowed to just sleep rough on beaches anywhere? Sleep 
on the decks of ferries to save money? Loads of European kids used to do it for 
a cheap summer holiday in paradise, nowadays most are too worried about how 
dossing about will look on their CV's. Fucking politicians ruin everything..





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates

2015-07-06 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Buck is showing his true TM colors - hypocritical and full of crap, behavior 
learned from his beloved Marshy and Company - they were full of it too.
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 10:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
   
    You were in a publicly known place with other people, with a very popular 
person; one cannot be private in such a situation, one is seen in such a 
situation; you may even have been photographed in such a situation. That is 
public knowledge even though you might want to hide such behaviour from a 
certain organisation, but you were seen. In the light of your comments in the 
past, you would be considered what you have called others, an apostate. The 
other comments were factual, concerning your behaviour in the past, what you 
publicly posted on Fairfield Life, so it is not a slur. Your name was not 
mentioned in the post, and everybody knows it anyway, you never requested 
anonymity when you were on FFL. End of Message.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of theyahoo-groups guidelines 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I tried to watch it - man was it awful! Lame acting and RIDICULOUSLY bad 
dialogue.
It might vie for worst sci fi film with that god awful Prometheus. 

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 12:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
   
 I watched Jupiter Ascending last night.  It's a tentpole movie.  IOW, 
something the Wachowski's did to get funding for projects they really want to 
do.  It's a very basic story, sorta a takeoff on Cinderella (if you get the 
homage).  Lots of temporary employment for CG artists.
 
 On 07/03/2015 01:55 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
  


    
  Jupiter Ascending got bad reviews, and I found it good enough to watch two 
times already.  All kinds of production values and new tech concepts.
 
 It Follows is a rude slap in the face comparatively.  Turns out it is simply a 
see girls in underwear running flick.AND THAT'S IT.  It's got about 
twenty things that piss ya off:  characters going into dark places alone, being 
too dumb to find practical help, and endlessly starting the fucking movie over 
and over again  with the same exact scenario:  waiting for IT, and then running.
 
 Just trying to save ya getting emotionally ripped off.   
 
 Worse part of the film is that IT DOES DELIVER with a lot of good 
qualitiesgets ya expecting a LOGICAL and REASONABLE film, cuz, you know, 
good money and minds were behind this film.
 
 But shit.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
 
  I'll have to see for myself.  With horror and science fiction people often 
bring pre-concieved expectations.  The film is distributed by Weinstein so 
might even have extras and an alternate ending.  Similarly now that  Jupiter 
Ascending is at RB I'll be checking it out for myself.
 
 
 On 07/03/2015 09:53 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
 
  
    
  Not worth the Redbox rental price.  Reason:  the ending
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
 
  Showsup at Redbox on the 14th.   
 On 07/03/2015 09:12 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 
    Especiallyif you paid the prices I'm seeing to watch it online.  Wait for 
Netflix for these titles or at least Redbox.  Or did you inherit an eyepatch?
 
 On 07/02/2015 08:35 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
  
    WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT MOVIE. I won't spoil it here, but you should 
read ONLY THE BAD REVIEWS of  this GOTCHA-TO-BUY-ME-YOU-SUCKER BAIT AND 
FUCKING SWITCH ABUSE UPON THE PUBLIC. 
 
 I cannot believe those Rotten Tomatoes ratings The positive reviews are 
all bullshit-for-sure;-written-probably-by-paid-for-shillswhomust have all 
bought into this HEIST of the public mindset. All the RT reviewers  should have 
their checking accounts audited for a major influx of payola..holy shit 
this film pissed me off. 
 
 Piss.
 
 Shit.
 
 Fuck fuck fucking fuck fuck..fuck.
 
 ( Heh..Just trying to help fill in the recently obvious film-review 
vacuum.) 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ever seen Plan 9 from Outer Space?

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

I tried to watch it - man was it awful! Lame acting and RIDICULOUSLY bad 
dialogue.
It might vie for worst sci fi film with that god awful Prometheus. 

Prometheus was abysmal. And worse than just being a bad film with a tired 
cliche in every frame it completely undermined the first Alien film which is 
still marvelous. What was Ridley Scott thinking!
But maybe the new Terminator film will give it a run for it's money. There was 
a great film that surely didn't need a sequel, but it got one that made no 
sense at all and, once again, undermined the original. I don't know why people 
rate T2 at all. Better special effects probably. But the series went rapidly 
downhill, the last one with Christian Bale was dreadful, all those cheesy 
references to dialogue in the first film made me want to scream Make it stop! 
but I was in a cinema and was probably in a minority anyway. People must love 
those references or they wouldn't always do them right?
Worst sci-fi movie I have ever seen must be Battleship. It isn't really sci-fi 
but people will think it is because it's got big robots in it. It's more 
accurately described as an advert for America's values and it's endless fight 
against the nameless terrors that threaten the safety of the American way of 
life. 
Been a lot of films like that recently. Aliens with no backstory, stopping the 
hapless residents from going about their business, I don't know why they don't 
just call the monsters Ayrabh's or Gheehadees or something as they aren't 
fooling anyone. One thing they get wrong though is that the aliens they come up 
against are always highly organised and technologically advanced, unlike 
America's real enemies. Go figure...
  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 12:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
 
 I watched Jupiter Ascending lastnight.  It's a tentpole movie.  IOW, 
something the Wachowski'sdid to get funding for projects they really want to 
do.  It's avery basic story, sorta a takeoff on Cinderella (if you get 
thehomage).  Lots of temporary employment for CG artists.


 On 07/03/2015 01:55 PM, Duveyoung wrote:




  
Jupiter Ascending got badreviews, and I found it good enough to watch two 
timesalready.  All kinds of production values and new techconcepts.

It Follows is a rude slap in the face comparatively. Turns out it is simply a 
see girls in underwearrunning flick.AND THAT'S IT.  It's got about 
twentythings that piss ya off:  characters going into darkplaces alone, being 
too dumb to find practical help, andendlessly starting the fucking movie over 
and over againwith the same exact scenario:  waiting for IT, and thenrunning.

Just trying to save ya getting emotionally ripped off.   

Worse part of the film is that IT DOES DELIVER with a lotof good 
qualitiesgets ya expecting a LOGICAL andREASONABLE film, cuz, you know, 
good money and minds werebehind this film.

But shit.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...wrote :

I'llhave to see for myself.  Withhorror and science fiction people often 
bringpre-concievedexpectations.  The film is distributed by Weinstein somight 
evenhave extras and an alternate ending.  Similarly nowthat  JupiterAscending 
is at RB I'll be checking it out formyself.


 On 07/03/2015 09:53 AM,Duveyoung wrote:


  
Notworth the Redbox rentalprice.  Reason:  the ending




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,noozguru@...wrote :

Showsupat Redbox on the 14th.   
On 07/03/2015 09:12 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:


  Especiallyifyou paid theprices I'm seeing to watch it online. Waitfor 
Netflixfor these titles or at least Redbox. Or didyou inheritan eyepatch?

On 07/02/2015 08:35 PM, Duveyoungwrote:

  WHAT AFUCKING PIECEOF SHITMOVIE. I won't spoil ithere, butyou shouldread ONLY 
THE BAD REVIEWS ofthisGOTCHA-TO-BUY-ME-YOU-SUCKERBAITAND FUCKINGSWITCH ABUSE 
UPON THE PUBLIC. 

I cannot believe thoseRottenTomatoesratings The positivereviewsare 
allbullshit-for-sure;-written-probably-by-paid-for-shillswhomusthave all bought 
into thisHEIST ofthe public mindset. Allthe RTreviewersshould have their 
checkingaccounts auditedfor a major influx ofpayola..holy shitthis film 
pissed me off. 

Piss.

Shit.

Fuck fuck fucking fuckfuck..fuck.

( Heh..Just trying to helpfill inthe recentlyobvious film-review vacuum.)
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[FairfieldLife] Strange Southern Behavior

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
People in the South feel that the strangest people are found in the South, and 
after seeing this, I must admit it seems to be true. Watch this crap, I have 
never seen the like. And this is no joke - this guy actually comes to the 
Statehouse in South Carolina DEFENDING the Rebel Flag. Truth is stranger than 
fiction.
The True South Through My Eyes - HK Edgerton
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[FairfieldLife] Brit Society

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You Scorpions have an interesting society. I was just reading that you still 
have allotments in England. That is mighty interesting - I wonder how it works 
in reality - what if one person likes to grow their veggies organically, and 
the chap in the adjacent allotment likes to use various sorts of poisons? Also 
had to laugh when I read that some time ago some genius decided to use the 
metric measurement of lots instead of the traditional poles. Wonder who did 
that?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense
Laugh of the day - thanks Xeno.
Last time I was in NYC was many a year ago on my way to the Catskills, 
specifically to Livingston Manor to get my first bloc of the siddhis under the 
auspices of Reed Martin and TM Siddhi Administrators Big Bopper Bevan and John 
Cowhig. 

While at Port Authority waiting for my bus, I was accosted by a crazy old Irish 
Catholic bag lady who gave me shit and told me I was going to hell for not 
going to church. She assumed that my red hair and pale skin meant I was Irish. 
I also witnessed a helluva fight between a big fat woman and one of the men in 
charge of one of the bus lines. They didn't throw any punches but god almighty 
they sure did cuss each other out. I had not traveled much outside of South 
Carolina at that point in my life, and I had never heard anybody cussing each 
other like that in public.  
 
I also stepped between an old homeless guy and a young girl, teenager, he was 
harassing. Port Authority cop stepped in too, right after I did. 

Interesting time and little did I realize in my TM brain addled mode that I was 
about to spend two weeks rubbing elbows with some people at LM who were a whole 
lot crazier than anybody I saw in Port Authority. Some of those TM'ers had 
actually sold their homes to get enough money to do the siddhis all the way 
through. I admired 'em at the time.
  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 11:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
    Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.

I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the 
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of 
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I 
drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round 
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of 
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you 
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these 
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency.
My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the 
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO 
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even 
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense. 
The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo 
club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to 
get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the 
rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too.
Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to 
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's 
unusual.
-


  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
    Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply 
never showed up, and now I don't see your original message.
But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for 
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon.
That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine 
somewhere else.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids.
I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally, 
but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere.
And me, being a sucker for darshan, of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge.
Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be 
DIKSHIT
Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective 
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in 
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and 
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This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and 
intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brit Society

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am gonna become an anglophile if I ain't careful. Never heard of the Diggers 
- sounds like it wasn't too safe to be one. Now, are you sure you and your 
mates were emulating the Diggers and not the Ranters???

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brit Society
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



You Scorpions have an interesting society. I was just reading that you still 
have allotments in England. That is mighty interesting - I wonder how it works 
in reality - what if one person likes to grow their veggies organically, and 
the chap in the adjacent allotment likes to use various sorts of poisons? Also 
had to laugh when I read that some time ago some genius decided to use the 
metric measurement of lots instead of the traditional poles. Wonder who did 
that?
Yes we do still have allotments, and long may that continue. Anyone can apply 
for one but there is a waiting list as they don't provide new land these days. 
There are several plots in my town but me and some friends took over a bit of 
unused land by a river and called it the asquatment. We formed a land 
reclamation union based on an old peasant movement called The Diggers who took 
over common land to grow food on.
We grew good stuff there for years but I moved away and other people got bored 
and it all got overgrown, so there isn't much going on there now. Shame as 
there's nothing like freshly grown food. We had a little shed and some picnic 
chairs next to the river and I used to spend summer evenings there, but it's 
gone now. Someone must have pinched it.
Don't know how they cope with the pesticides in allotments but in farming, you 
can't call food organic if it's been grown near food that isn't organic, or on 
land that has had pesticides used on it in the last 5 (?) years.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I did see it a long time ago - I like mind Battleship all that much, I thought 
it was better than Prometheus. But to get real now you gotta get to something 
like Minority Report which I liked very much. 

There is one called Battle Los Angles - kind of a similar plot deal to 
Battleship in that invading aliens are beat down by some US Marines, but I 
liked it mainly cause I like Aaron Eckhart who stars. 

and Battleship was a Hasbro movie, as was Transformers and GI Joe. Damn, wish I 
still had my GI Joes from the 1960's.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Ever seen Plan 9 from Outer Space?
Grave robbers form outer space? Of course! it's a classic but not to be taken 
all that seriously. 
Did you see Ed Wood, the biopic by Tim Burton? If you haven't it's a must. His 
best film by far. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

I tried to watch it - man was it awful! Lame acting and RIDICULOUSLY bad 
dialogue.
It might vie for worst sci fi film with that god awful Prometheus. 

Prometheus was abysmal. And worse than just being a bad film with a tired 
cliche in every frame it completely undermined the first Alien film which is 
still marvelous. What was Ridley Scott thinking!
But maybe the new Terminator film will give it a run for it's money. There was 
a great film that surely didn't need a sequel, but it got one that made no 
sense at all and, once again, undermined the original. I don't know why people 
rate T2 at all. Better special effects probably. But the series went rapidly 
downhill, the last one with Christian Bale was dreadful, all those cheesy 
references to dialogue in the first film made me want to scream Make it stop! 
but I was in a cinema and was probably in a minority anyway. People must love 
those references or they wouldn't always do them right?
Worst sci-fi movie I have ever seen must be Battleship. It isn't really sci-fi 
but people will think it is because it's got big robots in it. It's more 
accurately described as an advert for America's values and it's endless fight 
against the nameless terrors that threaten the safety of the American way of 
life. 
Been a lot of films like that recently. Aliens with no backstory, stopping the 
hapless residents from going about their business, I don't know why they don't 
just call the monsters Ayrabh's or Gheehadees or something as they aren't 
fooling anyone. One thing they get wrong though is that the aliens they come up 
against are always highly organised and technologically advanced, unlike 
America's real enemies. Go figure...
  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 12:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] It Follows
 
 I watched Jupiter Ascending lastnight.  It's a tentpole movie.  IOW, 
something the Wachowski'sdid to get funding for projects they really want to 
do.  It's avery basic story, sorta a takeoff on Cinderella (if you get 
thehomage).  Lots of temporary employment for CG artists.

 

 On 07/03/2015 01:55 PM, Duveyoung wrote:





  
Jupiter Ascending got badreviews, and I found it good enough to watch two 
timesalready.  All kinds of production values and new techconcepts.

It Follows is a rude slap in the face comparatively. Turns out it is simply a 
see girls in underwearrunning flick.AND THAT'S IT.  It's got about 
twentythings that piss ya off:  characters going into darkplaces alone, being 
too dumb to find practical help, andendlessly starting the fucking movie over 
and over againwith the same exact scenario:  waiting for IT, and thenrunning.

Just trying to save ya getting emotionally ripped off.   

Worse part of the film is that IT DOES DELIVER with a lotof good 
qualitiesgets ya expecting a LOGICAL andREASONABLE film, cuz, you know, 
good money and minds werebehind this film.

But shit.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...wrote :

I'llhave to see for myself.  Withhorror and science fiction people often 
bringpre-concievedexpectations.  The film is distributed by Weinstein somight 
evenhave extras and an alternate ending.  Similarly nowthat  JupiterAscending 
is at RB I'll be checking it out formyself.


 On 07/03/2015 09:53 AM,Duveyoung wrote:


  
Notworth the Redbox rentalprice.  Reason:  the ending




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,noozguru@...wrote :

Showsupat Redbox on the 14th.   
On 07/03/2015 09:12 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:


  Especiallyifyou paid theprices I'm seeing to watch it online. Waitfor 
Netflixfor these titles or at least Redbox. Or didyou inheritan eyepatch?

On 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'd hate like hell to see what you think IS a rough neighborhood if a place 
where news crews get robbed and pistol whipped with witnesses watching is one 
of your good neighborhoods!

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 6:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
 Pier 14 is a very popular tourist spot and not a rough neighborhood at 
all.  
 
 On 07/05/2015 03:04 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  


     Was that the deal that went down on Pier 14? 
  I read about that, seems like a mighty rough neighborhood when the news crews 
get mugged and pistol whipped during their broadcast while being filmed by yet 
other news crews. 
  Sounds like the hooligans in your area need a good whiff of grape!  
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
      Thanks for the follow up.  I suspect much of this is security 
theater and unnecessary.  They could do it more covertly given our technology. 
 I think they want to condition us to live like we're in a Stalag.
 
 We had a 32 year old woman shot dead on the Embarcadero the other evening.  
They caught the guy who did it and he was a Mexican who had been deported 5 
times already and had felony convictions.  Apparently he just decided to shoot 
somebody.  And I bet he used an unregistered gun so gun laws aren't going to 
help in these situations.  Nor would security theater.
 
 We've also had a couple of shooting down the road from me on the freeway.  
They don't know who did those.  Maybe it was the same guy.
 
 On 07/05/2015 09:32 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 
   
    Xeno, thank you for your detailed response. 
  I enjoyed every minute of it! 
  Oh, a little follow up on Bhairitu's comment about high security in  NYC. 
  As I met my wife and daughter after they attended Mass at St. Patrick's  
Cathedral ,there was a heavy police presence,. They were with armed semi, or 
fully automatic assault rifles and other gear.  So, that was interesting. 
  Also, the two Memorial Pools at the 9-11 site, marking the location of  the 
two towers, was very impressive, IMO.   
  Everything to do with the memorial was controversial including the  
memorials, but I found them to be rather perfect.
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
   Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.
  
  I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the 
Internet in a public space for very long. I live  about a 60 mile drive out of 
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I 
drive to the Metro North  Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round 
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of 
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you 
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older  these 
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency. 
  My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the 
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there  are some holes in it and my SO 
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even 
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense. 
 
  The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local 
photo club. The museum gave me temporary permission to  use a tripod so I was 
able to get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera 
for the rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too. 
  Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to 
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or  three times a year, it's 
unusual. 
  - 
  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
  
    Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my  
reply never showed up, and now I don't see your original  message. 
  But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for  
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at  noon. 
  That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will  
dine somewhere else. 
  We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids. 
  I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it  
occasionally, but I read that it may have to relocate, and  that it had a 
wonderful atmosphere. 
  And me, being a sucker for darshan, of any sort, I though,we'd  make

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
what about the news crews who were mugged, pistol whipped and robbed while they 
were filming there?

  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 7:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
    Pier 14 is near the Embarcadero area where the commuter ferries dock from 
Sausalito, Oakland and other areas.  Its close to the Hyatt Regency, a famous 
hotel in SF.  Since there are many types of people that pass by there, those 
people would include the criminal types.  It's unfortunate that the woman was 
at the wrong time and the wrong place.  It's an unfortunate example of bad 
karma on her part, which is unfathomable for us mere humans.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Pier 14 is a very popular tourist spotand not a rough neighborhood at all.  

On 07/05/2015 03:04 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

  Was that thedeal that went down on Pier 14? 
I read aboutthat, seems like a mighty rough neighborhood when thenews crews get 
mugged and pistol whipped during theirbroadcast while being filmed by yet other 
news crews. 
Sounds like thehooligans in your area need a good whiff of grape!
  From:Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

 Thanksfor the follow up.  I suspect much ofthis is security theater 
andunnecessary.  They could do it morecovertly given our technology.  I 
thinkthey want to condition us to live likewe're in a Stalag.

We had a 32 year old woman shot dead onthe Embarcadero the other evening.  
Theycaught the guy who did it and he was aMexican who had been deported 5 
timesalready and had felony convictions. Apparently he just decided to 
shootsomebody.  And I bet he used anunregistered gun so gun laws aren'tgoing to 
help in these situations.  Norwould security theater.

We've also had a couple of shooting downthe road from me on the freeway.  
Theydon't know who did those.  Maybe it wasthe same guy.

On 07/05/2015 09:32 AM, steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:



  Xeno,thank you for your detailedresponse.
I enjoyedevery minute of it!
Oh, alittle follow up on Bhairitu'scomment about high security inNYC.
As I metmy wife and daughter after theyattended Mass at St. Patrick'sCathedral 
,there was aheavy police presence,.They were with armed semi, orfully automatic 
assault riflesand other gear.  So, that wasinteresting.
Also, thetwo Memorial Pools at the 9-11site, marking the location ofthe two 
towers, was veryimpressive, IMO.  
Everythingto do with the memorial wascontroversial including thememorials, but 
I found them tobe rather perfect.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,anartaxius@...wrote :

Thanksfor the invitation, but Ihave other obligations.

Ideleted my post as I tendnot to have any photos Ihave taken remain on 
theInternet in a public spacefor very long. I liveabout a 60 mile drive outof 
the City, and tend toavoid going into the Cityunless I have to. NormallyI drive 
to the Metro NorthTrain Station in Brewster(and at my age the roundtrip costs 
about $18.50),which actually costs lessthat the total cost ofdriving, though it 
takeslonger. Parking isexpensive in New Yorkunless you hunt around. Ihave 
medical appointmentson Monday. As I get olderthese appointments seem tobe 
increasing infrequency.
Myvehicle is about 15 yearsold and I need to take itin for repairs, theexhaust 
system needspatching (I hope) as thereare some holes in it andmy SO is 
complaining aboutfumes, she is verysensitive to industrialfumes even though 
shethinks nothing ofasphyxiating me with smokeparticles from incense. 
TheCloisters was interesting.That day I was there, Iwent with a local 
photoclub. The museum gave metemporary permission touse a tripod so I was 
ableto get shots in darkerareas until my cameradied. I used my SO'scamera for 
the rest of theday. I think that cameradied a few months latertoo.
Onceagain thanks for theinvite, but it takes a lotof pressure to get me togo 
into New York City. IfI go in more than two orthree times a year, it'sunusual.
-
From:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, July 5, 20151:50 PM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re:PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

 Xeno,I replied to amessage youhad postedhere lastnight, but myreply 
nevershowed up, andnow I don'tsee youroriginalmessage.
ButI enjoyed yourpiece aboutThe Cloisters,and wanted toinvite you forlunch at 
theFour Seasons,Pool Roomtomorrow(Monday), atnoon.
Thatmay depend ifour attirewill permit usentrance, butif not we willdine 
somewhereelse.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grownkids.
Iknow littleabout the FourSeasons otherthan hearingabout itoccasionally,but I 
readthat it mayhave torelocate, andthat it had awonderfulatmosphere.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Was that the deal that went down on Pier 14? 
I read about that, seems like a mighty rough neighborhood when the news crews 
get mugged and pistol whipped during their broadcast while being filmed by yet 
other news crews. 
Sounds like the hooligans in your area need a good whiff of grape!
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
 Thanks for the follow up.  I suspect much of this is security theater 
and unnecessary.  They could do it more covertly given our technology.  I think 
they want to condition us to live like we're in a Stalag.
 
 We had a 32 year old woman shot dead on the Embarcadero the other evening.  
They caught the guy who did it and he was a Mexican who had been deported 5 
times already and had felony convictions.  Apparently he just decided to shoot 
somebody.  And I bet he used an unregistered gun so gun laws aren't going to 
help in these situations.  Nor would security theater.
 
 We've also had a couple of shooting down the road from me on the freeway.  
They don't know who did those.  Maybe it was the same guy.
 
 On 07/05/2015 09:32 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Xeno, thank you for your detailed response. 
  I enjoyed every minute of it! 
  Oh, a little follow up on Bhairitu's comment about high security in NYC. 
  As I met my wife and daughter after they attended Mass at St. Patrick's 
Cathedral ,there was a heavy police presence,. They were with armed semi, or 
fully automatic assault rifles and other gear.  So, that was interesting. 
  Also, the two Memorial Pools at the 9-11 site, marking the location of the 
two towers, was very impressive, IMO.   
  Everything to do with the memorial was controversial including the memorials, 
but I found them to be rather perfect.
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
   Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.
  
  I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the 
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of 
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I 
drive to the  Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round 
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of 
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you 
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these 
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency. 
  My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the 
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO 
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even 
though she  thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from 
incense.  
  The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local 
photo club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was 
able to get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera 
for the rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too. 
  Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to 
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's 
unusual. 
  - 
  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
  
    Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my  
reply never showed up, and now I don't see your original message. 
  But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite  you for 
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon. 
  That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we  will 
dine somewhere else. 
  We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids. 
  I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it 
occasionally, but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a 
wonderful atmosphere. 
  And me, being a sucker for darshan, of any sort, I though,we'd make a  
splurge. 
  Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
  Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be  
DIKSHIT 
  Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   
| 
  |
| 
  |   Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  Dikshit or Dikshitar 
(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is  an adjective 
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in 
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and  
literally translates as one 

Re: [FairfieldLife] British Columbia is burning

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Who started them?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 11:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] British Columbia is burning
   
    We have a huge amount of forest fires right now with the sky everywhere 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

2015-07-04 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As long as he had a dry cave to sleep in, why would he worry about his housing, 
given the fact that he had that bag was it, the one that GD could reach into 
and pull out any food or other items he wanted? Reckon what happened to that 
bag, I doubt Marshy had it, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to defraud people 
to get money.

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
   
    Re Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in 
a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by 
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.:

Me: 
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age where 
it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is what Guru Dev was 
doing when they asked him. I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, 
then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live 
inside. Quite a posh homeless shelter.

It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the 3 hots 
and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age. Even if it comes 
with people waving camphor and incense in your face occasionally. 

Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist religious 
people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I gotta figure it was 
because of a lack of commitment to mastering the guitar.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Re Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a 
role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by 
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.:

Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I 
imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get 
this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.

  From: emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
 
 Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all 
of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. 
Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone 
like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a 
Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. 
Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care 
of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in 
nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference 
between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. 
Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality 
itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and 
that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself. 

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a 
role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by 
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with He loved us so much he wanted to save us from 
ourselves christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the He was a great 
bodhisattva Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of 
understanding the question.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I know, Duveyoung.I am merely mocking Ann who continues to take me and a few 
others to task for taking the TMO to task (thereby violating her own apparent 
code of laissez faire) yet jumping up and down when others do shit she don't 
like. 

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    
Oh come on, Mickey, art transcends culture and beliefs.  It's of a higher 
order.  I saw the Pieta a mere few days before a nutcase took a hammer to it.  
I will always be grateful for that.



Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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(Italian pronunciation: [pjeˈta]) is a subject in Christian art depicting the 
Virgin Mary cradling the dead body of Jesus, most often found in sculpture. ... 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

|  |
|  | |  | Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplace... Isil 
militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
... |  |
| View on tinyurl.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |


“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we came from, the birth of civilisation, a 
time when the first cities were built and it's now gone forever.
Hard to believe these Islamic state arseholes actually exist in the 20th 
century. When did evolution start going backwards? Sooner or later somebody is 
going to actually have to do something about them because, as you say, they 
aren't going to give up any time soon. The contagion is spreading.





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[FairfieldLife] India, Glad I don't live there

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Anyone who thinks this place is worth a crap needs to read this entire article. 
Talk about people carrying around illusions!!
The frenzied, fanatical politics of Tamil Nadu, India.
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| The frenzied, fanatical politics of Tamil Nadu, India.The frenzied, fanatical 
politics of Tamil Nadu, India. |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Simpler, Leaner BBC?

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Some of the best shows I have ever enjoyed were BBC productions.
RumpoleSherlockDr. Who, in its many incarnationsThe MusketeersAnd so forth and 
so on.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 10:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Simpler, Leaner BBC?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :


Yep, different strokes for different folks. Personally, I'm appalled that the 
horror genre even exists. But, it's nice that the BBC can cater to more than 
just the upper crusty, high tea at Throckmockingtonshire Castle crowd. As I 
learned 28 years ago from listening to the British Forces radio station in 
Bielefeld Germany, Brits are fully capable of being as low-brow and 
unsophisticated as any American.
Shh, we don't want everyone to know about the lower orders..
The BBC is the closet thing I've got to a religion. I've no idea why so many in 
government dislike it, probably for Murdoch related reasons. The commercial 
stations don't like it because it gets a guaranteed income but the quality 
generated by the Beeb is awesome, 4 decent channels, God knows how many radio 
stations and most of it is pretty damn good. You can pick and choose what you 
like, I go for history and science documentaries followed by decent drama but 
there's enough sing-a-long game shows to keep my mum happy. I'd rather see the 
lowest common denominator commercial crap banned rather than lose TV without 
adverts.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

There's also the loss of the Top Gear guys. It was completely understandable 
that they shitcanned Jeremy Clarkson,but the magic that was Top Gear will now 
all end up in some new show onanother network. It's estimated that Top Gear 
used to earn the BBC 42 million pounds per year, and from the sound of things, 
the new Top Gear with new hosts is not likely to be as successful.
It has always amazed me when people say they like Top Gear, I think it's 
appalling! But it's the BBC's most lucrative show, each to their own I guess. 
What I do like about it is the way it supports the sort of things I do like, 
all those minority interest documentaries and new comedy shows. Be a shame to 
lose any of that but they will scrap the whole organisation sooner or later, 
it's all part of the plan to destroy everything we care about in society. Why 
they want to do that is beyond me...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

BBC is cutting more than 1,000 jobs. Will new series be shot with a webcam?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bbc-cut-1000-jobs-leaner-806196  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

|  |
|  | |  | Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplace... Isil 
militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
... |  |
| View on tinyurl.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |


“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we came from, the birth of civilisation, a 
time when the first cities were built and it's now gone forever.
Hard to believe these Islamic state arseholes actually exist in the 20th 
century. When did evolution start going backwards? Sooner or later somebody is 
going to actually have to do something about them because, as you say, they 
aren't going to give up any time soon. The contagion is spreading.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Did you see anybody unstressing in Fuiggi?

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    H! You must have been on TTC in Fuiggi. I also saw it a couple of days 
before that Aussie dude got to it.


 From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    
Oh come on, Mickey, art transcends culture and beliefs.  It's of a higher 
order.  I saw the Pieta a mere few days before a nutcase took a hammer to it.  
I will always be grateful for that.



Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
||
||||   Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The Pietà 
(Italian pronunciation: [pjeˈta]) is a subject in Christian art depicting the 
Virgin Mary cradling the dead body of Jesus, most often found in sculpture. ... 
   ||
|  View on en.wikipedia.org  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

|  |
|  | |  | Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplace... Isil 
militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
... |  |
| View on tinyurl.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |


“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we came from, the birth of civilisation, a 
time when the first cities were built and it's now gone forever.
Hard to believe these Islamic state arseholes actually exist in the 20th 
century. When did evolution start going backwards? Sooner or later somebody is 
going to actually have to do something about them because, as you say, they 
aren't going to give up any time soon. The contagion is spreading.





   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
what I see is that you think frauds and con artists should be left alone, those 
of us who take exception to their antics should be taken to task, which you do. 
It seems at least to be a dichotomy, and at worst hypocrisy. So I was using the 
ISIS deal as a metaphor. Just sayin' as they say. 

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

I know, Duveyoung.I am merely mocking Ann who continues to take me and a few 
others to task for taking the TMO to task (thereby violating her own apparent 
code of laissez faire) yet jumping up and down when others do shit she don't 
like.
You are either not understanding what I have been saying or you are refusing to 
out of sheer stubbornness. Don't misrepresent me, MJ, it doesn't do you justice 
and it just makes you look petty and narrow minded.  

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 
Oh come on, Mickey, art transcends culture and beliefs.  It's of a higher 
order.  I saw the Pieta a mere few days before a nutcase took a hammer to it.  
I will always be grateful for that.



Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

|  |
|  | |  | Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Pietà (Italian 
pronunciation: [pjeˈta]) is a subject in Christian art depicting the Virgin 
Mary cradling the dead body of Jesus, most often found in sculpture. ... |  |
| View on en.wikipedia.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

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militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
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“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we came from, the birth of civilisation, a 
time when the first cities were built and it's now gone forever.
Hard to believe these Islamic state arseholes actually exist in the 20th 
century. When did evolution start going backwards? Sooner or later somebody is 
going to actually have to do something about them because, as you say, they 
aren't going to give up any time soon. The contagion is spreading.





 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ah, I see you WERE in that hotel!

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 5:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    Hotel Karina? That was my hotel in Majorca. It caught on fire one night.

 

 From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 4:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    Yeah, they had special instructions for the crazies.  All kinds of muscle 
jerking.  Not too much acting out of strong emotionsone guy set fire to my 
hotel because his girlfriend was fucking another guy...but that's just your 
typical thing, eh?  Heh.  I asked one of them, Hey, you at least have this 
definite proof that TM works if it's making you jerk like that, right?  He 
said, Try it.

During my deepest moments, it was PAINFUL to take the mantralike taking a 
little chunk off of my soul.a metaphor.it was uncomfortable.not in 
between mantras thoughonly when the mantra arose.  Interesting, eh?  I 
loved it of course. Heh.

I know.  I know.  I needed checking.  Where's a TBer with up to date checking 
notes?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Did you see anybody unstressing in Fuiggi?

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 H! You must have been on TTC in Fuiggi. I also saw it a couple of days 
before that Aussie dude got to it.


  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 
Oh come on, Mickey, art transcends culture and beliefs.  It's of a higher 
order.  I saw the Pieta a mere few days before a nutcase took a hammer to it.  
I will always be grateful for that.



Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

|  |
|  | |  | Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplace... Isil 
militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
... |  |
| View on tinyurl.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |


“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient Palmyra ruins

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So you weren't in the hotel the feller who was sexually jealous set fire to?

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    Nothing *freaky* if that's what you're looking for. Occasional head bobs 
was about it. But then I was rounding a lot and had *my* eyes closed. Didn't 
see much of anything.

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    Did you see anybody unstressing in Fuiggi?

 

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    H! You must have been on TTC in Fuiggi. I also saw it a couple of days 
before that Aussie dude got to it.


 From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
   
    
Oh come on, Mickey, art transcends culture and beliefs.  It's of a higher 
order.  I saw the Pieta a mere few days before a nutcase took a hammer to it.  
I will always be grateful for that.



Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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||||   Pietà - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The Pietà 
(Italian pronunciation: [pjeˈta]) is a subject in Christian art depicting the 
Virgin Mary cradling the dead body of Jesus, most often found in sculpture. ... 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Why does it bother you? They aren't in BC tearing up your stuff? Why not just 
live and let live?

  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

Yep!, that's what we have to look forward to. Remember, the great Mosque in 
Istanbul was a beautiful byzantine church. How about the Taliban blowing up the 
ancient statues of the Buddha. Now ISIS does this. Erase the past to prepare 
for the future Caliphate. Egypt has cause to worry.
Hideous. The destruction of cultural beauty, history and irreplaceable 
artifacts is the real sign of barbarians and an utter lack of the finer 
feelings that are supposed to characterize human beings. It is cruel-spirited 
and it is also based in superstition that by destroying the images of others 
you take away their power. It's also the kind of act more often seen on a 
school playground where the bully takes a girl's doll and stomps on it right in 
front of her as she cries and pleads for him to stop.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Islamic State takes sledgehammer to ancient 
Palmyra ruins
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplaceable' ancient Palmyra ruins

|  |
|  | |  | Islamic State takes sledgehammer to 'irreplace... Isil 
militants have released images showing a civilian being forced to destroy 
priceless artefacts from the Roman city of Palmyra as the head of Unesco warned 
... |  |
| View on tinyurl.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |


“It cannot be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, 
or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

The Terminator (1984)
This makes me so depressed. I know they are killing and torturing people with a 
passion  rarely seen but this stuff is part of history, it's totally 
irreplaceable, it portrays a different life we'll never see, their art and 
culture, it's a reminder of where we came from, the birth of civilisation, a 
time when the first cities were built and it's now gone forever.
Hard to believe these Islamic state arseholes actually exist in the 20th 
century. When did evolution start going backwards? Sooner or later somebody is 
going to actually have to do something about them because, as you say, they 
aren't going to give up any time soon. The contagion is spreading.





   

 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaidya Krishna Raju visits Fairfield

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
seems odd that Raju would say something like that when this appears on his 
website:
We are eternally grateful to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for the revival 
of vedic wisdom he has given to the world. Because of His Holiness 
Maharishiji, now we are able to see the ayurveda like this. Otherwise it could 
have been much more destroyed and ruined.
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 5:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaidya Krishna Raju visits Fairfield
   
 Vata aggravating?  I've mentioned the book written by a son of an Indian 
guru that probably came out circa 1990 where he mentioned that TM lacked 
centering which is what Amkara provides.  He was also disgusted at what 
became of his father waited upon by his disciples as if he were a child.
 
 Yeah, a real guru observes the student and provides a mantra appropriate to 
them.  Or if it is a particular school they still provide a balancing mantra to 
the guru mantra.
 
 On 07/03/2015 02:04 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Yeah, he said:
 
 Your mantras are too vata and are making so many people in Fairfield crazy. 
Here is the correct mantra for your constitution and give the god thanks for 
guiding you to me. So go now and meditate and that will be $300 dollars US and 
don't let someone fool you with such over-generalized knowledge again.  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get 
this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.

  From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
   
    Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all 
of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. 
Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone 
like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a 
Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. 
Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care 
of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in 
nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference 
between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. 
Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality 
itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and 
that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself. 

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a 
role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by 
the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with He loved us so much he wanted to save us from 
ourselves christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the He was a great 
bodhisattva Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of 
understanding the question.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Simpler, Leander BBC?

2015-07-03 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I only watched one episode - the one where those idiots went to the US, 
specifically to Alabama where they nearly got lynched.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 1:07 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Simpler, Leander BBC?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

There's also the loss of the Top Gear guys. It was completely understandable 
that they shitcanned Jeremy Clarkson,but the magic that was Top Gear will now 
all end up in some new show onanother network. It's estimated that Top Gear 
used to earn the BBC 42 million pounds per year, and from the sound of things, 
the new Top Gear with new hosts is not likely to be as successful.
It has always amazed me when people say they like Top Gear, I think it's 
appalling! But it's the BBC's most lucrative show, each to their own I guess. 
What I do like about it is the way it supports the sort of things I do like, 
all those minority interest documentaries and new comedy shows. Be a shame to 
lose any of that but they will scrap the whole organisation sooner or later, 
it's all part of the plan to destroy everything we care about in society. Why 
they want to do that is beyond me...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

BBC is cutting more than 1,000 jobs. Will new series be shot with a webcam?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bbc-cut-1000-jobs-leaner-806196  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
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[FairfieldLife] TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
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[FairfieldLife] Roots of TM

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1435842793sr=1-1keywords=roots+of+tm


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Do you think the cigarette is part of the appeal, or will the book tell you to 
stop smoking, or p'raps it will suggest you switch to David Lynch's brand??
And how many women sit in an empty tub to read a book? Doesn't look too good 
for the back to me. 

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China
It gets better.










  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we can 
mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes of 
TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally more attractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 
 
  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how enlightenment 
is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 

Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |


I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.  #yiv3397125107 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Dunno - ain't read it yet - just found out about its existence yesterday

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
   
    Is Girish mentioned in this book?  Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.  
Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day?  Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity.  ACTUAL Rapist 
psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity 
scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the dome 
house, ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, 
ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile it's 
real science posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil 
huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus 
suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on...

Any mention of the above?  

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?  






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Thanks for the link. 
This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought 
us all to FFL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1435842793sr=1-1keywords=roots+of+tm
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 'Roots of TM' offers information about Maharishi's 'missing years', from the 
time when his master passed away through to the gradual build up of his stated 
mission to spiritually regenerate the world
I am looking forward to what Mason has to say, I always had the idea that those 
years Marshy spent lazing around on his parent's couch when he wasn't hanging 
out in the local hooka den with his hooligan friends. But we shall see.
I also like the idea it was written by Paul Mason since if I remember correctly 
Nabby and a couple other true believers hated Mason for his other Marshy book.

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
   
    Is Girish mentioned in this book?  Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.  
Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day?  Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity.  ACTUAL Rapist 
psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity 
scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the dome 
house, ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, 
ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile it's 
real science posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil 
huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus 
suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on...

Any mention of the above?  

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?  






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Thanks for the link. 
This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought 
us all to FFL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1435842793sr=1-1keywords=roots+of+tm
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Would you have the same laissez faire attitude about Robin if he set up shop 
again recruiting followers to gain enlightenment? 

Sal and I have clearly explained our position of such TM related hucksterism, 
but you have not said why you think they should be given a free pass. 

And why do you not extend your let all do as they please philosophy to folks 
like Sal and myself?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

It is her TM fantasy proclivities I don't care for, plus the fact that she is 
setting herself up, with Oprah's help as a life coach!?!?! With what training? 
And how do you get a session with her? 

You can't - she is doing all this pr to sell her upcoming book and whatever 
other nostrums, bangles, baubles and gewgaws she will sell in the future.
You and Doug love to blabber about what a fine place Fairfield is, I would 
think if you really love the place you would be hesitant to see another 
huckster move into town - but if you still revere Marshy, I shouldn't be 
surprised.
Why attack Feste? He's just having some fun with you, MJ.
Again, screw TM and screw the bullshit let's take advantage of everybody we can 
mentality it often breeds. She got all her problems solved with 20 minutes of 
TM, and now she is living her dream life by selling a book? About what?
According to her pr it is about: telling other women how to live the life she 
wants, set her own rules, become naturally moreattractive and in the process, 
uplift herself and the world
Who the fuck is she to be giving advice to other women? Based on what? Two 
years of TM? 

MJ, it is pretty funny. Take a look at her and just have a laugh. There's 
someone putting out their spiritual shingle every five minutes. She's just one 
more.
If her blabber about TM is her truth, then the only substantive advice she can 
give women is do TM? They need to pre-order a book to hear that? And if she has 
a bunch of other stuff to offer it means TM is not the panacea she claims it is.
She is just another TM huckster - there have been many and she is just the 
latest in a long line, getting help from the TM people and Oprah. Without them, 
she wouldn't have shit for a venue to hawk her nostrums.
Is this TM's fault? I think she's quite the entrepreneur, myself. It doesn't 
appeal to me, any of it, but hey, let her psycho babble her way to fame and 
fortune. She appears pretty narcissistic to me. What harm is it all doing you?
I predict that she is one of those who claim to be fabulously happy on the 
outside with all kinds of snakes crawling around in her head. She will crash 
and burn like most of them do, just like that psychotic Jim Carrey is doing. 

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What about the cigarette?

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

.Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of howenlightenment is 
supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disneymovies 

Oh what a fine post - I like that description very much!
It's true. She is no more enlightened than I'm Mary Queen of Scots. But it is 
good for a little chuckle. She reminds me of many others I have seen, some even 
on Batgap, who figure their niche is to play the spiritual card while promoting 
themselves as all sexy and desirable. I see you didn't fall for it. She's not 
my type either.
  From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation teacher
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| INTERVIEW: Valerie Gangas, life-coach and meditation t...Our long interview 
about life  death, joy  sorrow, and of course Transcendental Meditation -- 
please meet Valerie Gangas, an ordinary kid with an incredible exper... |
|  |
| View on tmhome.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |


I'm not sure if they are presenting TM that way but Valerie certainly looks 
like she is. I don't blame TM for how she is brimming over with joy at her 
one-meditation-and-I'm-enlightened shtick here. This is her deal. And I'm not 
really buying it. Her explanations sound very pat and very stereotypical of how 
enlightenment is supposed to be and feel if you've been watching Disney movies 
but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Still, she may be genuine and she might be in 
Brahman for all I know but I won't be making an appointment with her to solve 
my personal life's journeys problems anytime soon.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ahh, the enlightened attitude! Is this the way you learned to view women whilst 
an MIU professor? Or is sexism your general stock in trade. I bet you learned 
to view women as sex objects as you learned wisdom from Johnnie Hagelin, since 
he was so good at it with his female students. 

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    If a woman looks like that, who cares what she talks about? 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Not for all the tea in China
It gets better.










  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
 
 But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it 
cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading 
and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation or TM 
specifically.
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[FairfieldLife] Puddicombe

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Another huckster sob that needs to have his ass whipped.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Perfect! I shall remember that one!

  From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:57 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All
   
    I've written the follow up book Fifty Shades of Gayatri.

My wife and I always crack up at the job title Life Coach.  To me it's a 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
if your assertions are true, how do you account for the fact that other members 
of the Indian TMO have accused Girish of fraud, manipulation, creating fake 
documents and selling off Movement lands in direct contravention of Marshy's 
wishes after his death? They are suing him over these illegal land grabs and 
land sales. 

  From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, 
financial and sexual criminal?
   
    yes I have rejected all your accusations with a sweep of my keyboard, 
Girish is not the leader of the movement, and all international monies going to 
India have been closely monitored for years, since not long after Maharishi 
passed, by Raja Harris Caplan. Those responsible for having let monies go to 
India without careful accounting don't have any financial responsibility or 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How do you account for all the temper tantrums Marshy had, especially when he 
lost court cases or one of his girlfriends ran off and left him?

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, 
financial and sexual criminal?
   
    Anger is not much good for anything, in my experience. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

So we should all be calm little sheep? Its good for the liver to get that anger 
out every now and again.

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 5:42 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial 
and sexual criminal?
 
 I have no idea whether it is true. What draws my attention is the boiling 
rage and fury that sweeps all over Edg as he sprints off on another wild rant. 
It's either a good act or Edg is very much in need of some pitta-pacifying tea. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Feeling better now, Edg, after having vomited this up?
Is it not true then? Or should we be burying our heads in the sand like 
everyone else in the TMO, it couldn't be imperfect could it?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Be it resolved that Girish is fucking evil.
That's the issue to debate.

I'll take the affirmative position.  

My arguments:

1.  Spiritual criminal.  With zero spiritual credentials, suddenly his 
photograph was put on the same wall as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and then next 
thing we knew, he was considered as holy as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

LIKE FUCKING WHY?  We are given NOTHING.  He simply RIPPED OFF THE MOVEMENT AND 
TOOK CHARGE by changing photos.   HE DIDN'T EARN IT.  He stole it.  

And everyone in Fairfield just laid the fuck down on this.  Not true believers 
believing -- simply fucking wusses and surrender monkeys.  I'm looking at you 
DOUG.

Or, if you prefer an emotional argument:  This sick fuck makes me nauseous just 
to look at himhis vibe is mean-hearted, cruel, and relentlessly intend on 
domination.

2. Financial criminal.   The Transcendental Meditation Organization has had a 
decades-long history of crimes.  Large amounts of money go unaccounted.  In 
lieu of how Girish TOOK OVER, it is LOGICAL to suspect Girish is a criminal 
instead of accepting him as an honest person.  He shows zero motivation to 
explain how and why he deserves his present position.  The TMO's books are 
vague, incomplete, and probably simply a pack of lies, and until a public 
accounting is made, no trust has been earned; the red flags waving must be 
inspected.

3.  Rapist.  The news has give us the accounting of 20 persons who say Girish 
raped a woman.  END OF STORY.  Girish should resign.  

Why?  Because:  Rama and Sita.  

Rama sent Sita to HELL because the people were falsely whispering about her 
having fucked Ravana, before she was rescued.  FALSELY, but Rama sent her to 
hell because A KING'S FAME IS HIS ONLY TREASURE.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a 
famous student of his, Harold Bloomfield, have also been accused and/or 
convicted of sexual crimes.  Yet the TMO ignores these vile blackeyes.  

Girish stole the movement, stole the money and said Fuck your fame.I'm 
your monster guru now.suck it up you toads or lose your field badges and 
your shit jobs at MUM.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He is spouting a lot of nebulous theories to a very limited audience. If people 
want to buy into that, what concern is it of yours, or mine?  Is anyone being 
coerced to participate?
This is in essence saying you don't care who is a con artist, nor who gets 
conned as long as it isn't you. Interesting moral compass. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial 
and sexual criminal?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Not in a chat room where he insults people that think otherwise.
Besides, his belief is that TM will make the world a better place, on the other 
hand he's spent a lot of time slagging off the TMO for the way it handles 
things. That's what we mean by cognitive dissonance, he can't reconcile the 
fact that TM doesn't work for the TMO with his beliefs about how effective it 
is so he tries to remove the people who remind him of the dichotomy.
I have not been a student of Doug's posting.  There was a lot of the same, so 
I skipped over most of it.But, I think your assessment is a little severe.

Yes, I would say he has been able to reconcile more disparate points than most.

That works for him.
How does reconciling things that shouldn't be happening become something 
working? Sounds like denial to me.

You mean you actually like it nice and bland? It doesn't bother you at all that 
there are only a few people left, and me only because there's nothing on TV 
tonight? Go figure. 

I think things are off to a great start.  
Hmmm
What gets your goat? What makes you want to raze the world to the ground and 
start it again? Do you ever care about anything enough to try and do something 
about it?
Well, you don't know much about me, which is understandable.  And I don't 
reveal too much.  But, I am responsible for  the livelihood of about twelve 
people, and I believe they would have my back under any circumstances, as I 
would  have theirs.
Not what I meant
The quest for truth clearly doesn't get you going if you are okay with 
blatant attempts to deprive you of money! Or maybe you should pay a bit more 
attention...

He is spouting a lot of nebulous theories to a very limited audience. If people 
want to buy into that, what concern is it of yours, or mine?  Is anyone being 
coerced to participate?
It's everyone's concern if these Nebulous theories are a load of crap and can 
be demonstrated to be so and are costing people who don't know any better an 
awful lot of money.
Hiding behind a PHD and claiming to be a world renowned scientist for instance, 
claiming that science has discovered this or that when your beliefs are so 
outside of the mainstream they wouldn't be accepted as likely in a Harry Potter 
movie.
I would say the movement goes out of it's way to persuade the faithful that it 
- and it alone - is in possession of the real facts about life and that the 
rest of the world has yet to catch up. From day one as a TMer they start 
spinning the yarn of perfect knowledge from the unified field and all the 
technologies they have to help you gain the most from life that don't actually 
work but are all part of the mythos. I would say that's coercion, they do guilt 
brilliantly too. 
It's a religion and expanding the coffers at the expense of the flock is what I 
expect. But the pope doesn't charge $5000 for a prayer. Check out the adverts 
for the yagya programme starting with Marshy's bullshit lectures. It's  con. I 
care about people I know being conned.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Sorta funny, Sal, don't you agree?
First you accuse Hagelin of all of his magical thinking, and then you appear to 
have special insight into Doug's thoughts and feelings.
Oh well, that's how it goes at good 'ol FFL!
I think it's a good guess about Doug. Cognitive dissonance is real and affects 
groups that have a strong world saving focus, when it all goes wrong and 
turns out to be nonsense they just carry on like everything is fine. It's 
classic True Believerism and I don't think it's funny at all but it is 
fascinating. I know loads of people who refuse to discuss the movement's many 
problems that it isn't supposed to have.
And you think his dislike of us apostates is reasonable? It always sounded 
scary to me.
And I accuse Hagelin of lying or delusions not magical thinking, though he 
might do that as well.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

snip
That's why he hates this place and all its apostates because we remind him 
that he backed a losing horse a long time ago and feels he has to keep riding 
the thing until the bitter end, any other way of looking at things being placed 
in front 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is stuff like this that makes me want to dedicate all my time to exposing 
the lies, fallacies and general absurdity of the TM Movement to the world in 
general. 

As to the blog itself, what would one expect from someone who works for 
Oprah?And in looking at the About Us I see they want people to write for them 
- but they make no mention of payment, just write for us, for free apparently. 

Looking further I see they are touting jyotish too - just a matter of time 
before they offer the grand opportunity to have your house redesigned so's you 
won't have to bad karma. 

  From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
   
    
http://www.enlightenmentissexy.com/fairfield-iowa-a-cast-of-1-as-themselves/
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[FairfieldLife] Veddy British

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Felt quite the Scorpion yesterday, probably because I had smoked kippers on 
toast for breakfast, spent much of the day with my daughter and on the way home 
listened to the Kinks. Their hits, Sunny Afternoon and Dead End Street sound 
rather apropos to the Scorpion Land of today. 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Except he's claiming that they are true, are part of mainstream science and 
that they explain how prayers work. None of it is remotely true.
Exactly and if he is any kind of a scientist, he knows it is not true and is 
therefore liar, huckster, fraud and con artist.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 11:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, 
financial and sexual criminal?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Michael, he is promoting highly speculative theories that cannot be proved, at 
least at the present time, or probably, the foreseeable future.
If you care to frame it in a different context to suit your needs, please do so.
But, it is no different than any other speculative theories promoted by 
respected and non respected scientists.

Except he's claiming that they are true, are part of mainstream science and 
that they explain how prayers work. None of it is remotely true.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Heis spouting a lot of nebulous theories to a very limited audience. Ifpeople 
want to buy into that, what concern is it of yours, or mine?  Isanyone being 
coerced to participate?
This is in essence saying you don't care who is a con artist, nor who gets 
conned as long as it isn't you. Interesting moral compass. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial 
and sexual criminal?
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Not in a chat room where he insults people that think otherwise.
Besides, his belief is that TM will make the world a better place, on the other 
hand he's spent a lot of time slagging off the TMO for the way it handles 
things. That's what we mean by cognitive dissonance, he can't reconcile the 
fact that TM doesn't work for the TMO with his beliefs about how effective it 
is so he tries to remove the people who remind him of the dichotomy.
I have not been a student of Doug's posting.  There was a lot of the same, so 
I skipped over most of it.But, I think your assessment is a little severe.

Yes, I would say he has been able to reconcile more disparate points than most.

That works for him.
How does reconciling things that shouldn't be happening become something 
working? Sounds like denial to me.

You mean you actually like it nice and bland? It doesn't bother you at all that 
there are only a few people left, and me only because there's nothing on TV 
tonight? Go figure. 

I think things are off to a great start.  
Hmmm
What gets your goat? What makes you want to raze the world to the ground and 
start it again? Do you ever care about anything enough to try and do something 
about it?
Well, you don't know much about me, which is understandable.  And I don't 
reveal too much.  But, I am responsible for  the livelihood of about twelve 
people, and I believe they would have my back under any circumstances, as I 
would  have theirs.
Not what I meant
The quest for truth clearly doesn't get you going if you are okay with 
blatant attempts to deprive you of money! Or maybe you should pay a bit more 
attention...

He is spouting a lot of nebulous theories to a very limited audience. If people 
want to buy into that, what concern is it of yours, or mine?  Is anyone being 
coerced to participate?
It's everyone's concern if these Nebulous theories are a load of crap and can 
be demonstrated to be so and are costing people who don't know any better an 
awful lot of money.
Hiding behind a PHD and claiming to be a world renowned scientist for instance, 
claiming that science has discovered this or that when your beliefs are so 
outside of the mainstream they wouldn't be accepted as likely in a Harry Potter 
movie.
I would say the movement goes out of it's way to persuade the faithful that it 
- and it alone - is in possession of the real facts about life and that the 
rest of the world has yet to catch up. From day one as a TMer they start 
spinning the yarn of perfect knowledge from the unified field and all the 
technologies they have to help you gain the most from life that don't actually 
work but are all part of the mythos. I would say that's coercion, they do guilt 
brilliantly too. 
It's a religion and expanding the coffers at the expense of the flock is what I 
expect. But the pope doesn't charge $5000 for a prayer. Check out the adverts 
for the yagya programme starting with Marshy's bullshit lectures. It's  con. I 
care about people I know being conned.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Sorta funny, Sal, don't you agree?
First you 

Re: [FairfieldLife] They're coming after Jimmy Boy.

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yea-yah, Baba! Another high profile TM'er bites the dust - ahh, but we all 
know from the TM and MUM pr that regular practice of TM gives rise to stable 
mental states.

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 8:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] They're coming after Jimmy Boy.
   
    Jim Carrey’s Descent into Madness

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh, yeah, I forgot about them - fuck purusha too.

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 7:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
   
    So how many Purusha could he(MJ) support?

 

 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
   
 Just think of MJ as FFL's Donald Trump.  ;-) 
 
 On 07/01/2015 03:46 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    As RW would say.  Somebody, or something did a number on MJ. 
  I think he just loaded himself with enough outrage for the next thirty to 
sixty days.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
  This lady moved to Fairfield and loves it (as do others) and writes this very 
nice article and creates a blog for others to express themselves as well. And 
all Michael Jackson can do is come out with his usual stream of bilious 
negativity, utterly determined to see the worst in everything TM.  
  
  
  Now here's the truth: if you like small towns in the Midwest, and have a 
spiritual turn of mind, it's hard to beat Fairfield as  a place to live. Many, 
many people have contributed much effort over decades to make it the place it 
is today. I am very happy to be here, and I am sorry that Michael Jackson has 
nothing better to do with his time than carp and criticize. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
   It is stuff like this that makes me want to dedicate all my time to exposing 
the lies, fallacies and general absurdity of the TM Movement to the world in 
gener! al. 
  
  As to the blog itself, what would one expect from someone who works for 
Oprah? And in looking at the About Us I see they want people to write for 
them - but they make no mention of payment, just write  for us, for free 
apparently. 
  
  Looking further I see they are touting jyotish too - just a matter of time 
before they offer the grand opportunity to  have your house redesigned so's you 
won't have to bad karma. 
   
  From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
  
   
http://www.enlightenmentissexy.com/fairfield-iowa-a-cast-of-1-as-themselves/
 
 

 
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Next?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep Gina Catena gave a talk there last year, telling about her days in the TM 
Movement - I listened to the audio they recorded - quite good.

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Next?
   
 For those who don't know, the Commonwealth Club usually has talks by 
famous politicians, authors, scientists, industry leaders, economists, etc.  
Not usually folks like Kardashian.
 
 On 07/01/2015 01:36 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Kim is a good candidate for TM, although she appears to have been born as 
an Orthodox Christian.  I'll have to check out her jyotish chart to find out 
why she's so popular or infamous, depending on your point of view. 
  Lately, many TMers are in the news, particularly Kate Perry who wants to buy 
a convent in LA.  Perhaps, that would be a good place for siddhas to perform 
the flying sutras.  But she appears to be getting the support of Nature based 
on her current popularity and success.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Kim Kardashian speaks at the SF Commonwealth Club:
 
 
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_28412733/kim-kardashian-delights-san-francisco-audiences
 
 Perhaps David Lynch gets her to start TM? Enlightened sex videos?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
If you were the spiritually aware and practicing person one would THINK a 
former MIU faculty member would be, you would not follow in my footsteps by 
carping about my post or criticizing me. But typical TM created response there.
I liked Fairfield very much, setting aside the TM'ers - ah, I couldn't resist 
that one!
I take exception to her continuing the bullshit over the top blabber about how 
fabulous TM is - if point out that even you don't do it anymore or maybe that 
was just TMSP you dropped.
Anyhow, the Movement and its enablers are still conning people into buying a 
pig in a poke and it stinks. No free passes from me on that issue, I feel the 
same as Sal, except I am more concerned with the innocent people who are 
listening to this gal and her David Lynch buddies - by the time they figure out 
they've been had, too much damage may have occurred and they'll have to join 
FFL to help them figure it all out. 
I like Fairfield Iowa very much. Fuck TM, fuck MUM and fuck the hucksters that 
promote TM.

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
   
    This lady moved to Fairfield and loves it (as do others) and writes this 
very nice article and creates a blog for others to express themselves as well. 
And all Michael Jackson can do is come out with his usual stream of bilious 
negativity, utterly determined to see the worst in everything TM. Now here's 
the truth: if you like small towns in the Midwest, and have a spiritual turn of 
mind, it's hard to beat Fairfield as a place to live. Many, many people have 
contributed much effort over decades to make it the place it is today. I am 
very happy to be here, and I am sorry that Michael Jackson has nothing better 
to do with his time than carp and criticize. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

It is stuff like this that makes me want to dedicate all my time to exposing 
the lies, fallacies and general absurdity of the TM Movement to the world in 
general. 

As to the blog itself, what would one expect from someone who works for 
Oprah?And in looking at the About Us I see they want people to write for them 
- but they make no mention of payment, just write for us, for free apparently. 

Looking further I see they are touting jyotish too - just a matter of time 
before they offer the grand opportunity to have your house redesigned so's you 
won't have to bad karma. 

  From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield, Iowa: A Cast of 10,000, As Themselves
 
 
http://www.enlightenmentissexy.com/fairfield-iowa-a-cast-of-1-as-themselves/

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Next?

2015-07-01 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I bet Hagelin would consent to making a sex tape with her to amp up his 
profile. 

  From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Next?
   
    Kimmy learning to meditate would give a whole new meaning to rounding.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Confederates in Brazil

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep, they shore nuff did - General Joe Shelby and a bunch of others, but they 
got tired of it and moved back after a while - never did surrender to the US 
tho.

  From: yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confederates in Brazil
   
    Moved from the US to Brazil in 1865:Confederados - Wikipedia, the free 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So we should all be calm little sheep? Its good for the liver to get that anger 
out every now and again.

  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 5:42 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial 
and sexual criminal?
   
    I have no idea whether it is true. What draws my attention is the boiling 
rage and fury that sweeps all over Edg as he sprints off on another wild rant. 
It's either a good act or Edg is very much in need of some pitta-pacifying tea. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Feeling better now, Edg, after having vomited this up?
Is it not true then? Or should we be burying our heads in the sand like 
everyone else in the TMO, it couldn't be imperfect could it?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Be it resolved that Girish is fucking evil.
That's the issue to debate.

I'll take the affirmative position.  

My arguments:

1.  Spiritual criminal.  With zero spiritual credentials, suddenly his 
photograph was put on the same wall as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and then next 
thing we knew, he was considered as holy as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

LIKE FUCKING WHY?  We are given NOTHING.  He simply RIPPED OFF THE MOVEMENT AND 
TOOK CHARGE by changing photos.   HE DIDN'T EARN IT.  He stole it.  

And everyone in Fairfield just laid the fuck down on this.  Not true believers 
believing -- simply fucking wusses and surrender monkeys.  I'm looking at you 
DOUG.

Or, if you prefer an emotional argument:  This sick fuck makes me nauseous just 
to look at himhis vibe is mean-hearted, cruel, and relentlessly intend on 
domination.

2. Financial criminal.   The Transcendental Meditation Organization has had a 
decades-long history of crimes.  Large amounts of money go unaccounted.  In 
lieu of how Girish TOOK OVER, it is LOGICAL to suspect Girish is a criminal 
instead of accepting him as an honest person.  He shows zero motivation to 
explain how and why he deserves his present position.  The TMO's books are 
vague, incomplete, and probably simply a pack of lies, and until a public 
accounting is made, no trust has been earned; the red flags waving must be 
inspected.

3.  Rapist.  The news has give us the accounting of 20 persons who say Girish 
raped a woman.  END OF STORY.  Girish should resign.  

Why?  Because:  Rama and Sita.  

Rama sent Sita to HELL because the people were falsely whispering about her 
having fucked Ravana, before she was rescued.  FALSELY, but Rama sent her to 
hell because A KING'S FAME IS HIS ONLY TREASURE.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a 
famous student of his, Harold Bloomfield, have also been accused and/or 
convicted of sexual crimes.  Yet the TMO ignores these vile blackeyes.  

Girish stole the movement, stole the money and said Fuck your fame.I'm 
your monster guru now.suck it up you toads or lose your field badges and 
your shit jobs at MUM.

Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014

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Charge- sheet filed against Chancellor of Mahesh ogi varsity BHOPAL: The 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Girish is as big a piece of trash as his uncle was.

  From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, 
financial and sexual criminal?
   
    you don't have the slightest proof that Girish has any substantial amount 
of money at his disposal or for 99 percent of what you blather here, which is 
usually recycled unsubstantiated accusations from decades ago or nonsense that 
has been repeated here enough times that you and others like you imagine it has 
some meaning. You like a cartoon bot that spews any lame overblown rhetoric to 
defame. Not that it matters as I doubt anyone with intelligence gives credence 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial and sexual criminal?

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And Girish has more than enough money to make all the accusation go away by 
bribing the police and politicians which is why he has not been tried and 
convicted already. 

  From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 6:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Girish Chandra Verma a spiritual, financial 
and sexual criminal?
   
    you are exxagerating , 
making unjustified accusations,
and  I never heard of any 20 witnesses of the rape claim, there is a  lot of 
problems with her claim. why would you allow these things to go on for 20 
years? there is a lot of intrigue around caste in India with still resentments 
by Brahmins against the TM movement for the Kayasthas having become the biggest 
employer of Brahmins. note the family names of the accusers. there are elements 
of Indian society that would not hesitate to put someone up to making a false 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sunset on the river Thames...

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
is this a generic photo or did you take it?
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 5:46 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sunset on the river Thames...
   


    
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-29 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It all sounds like anthropomorphism to me. I don't get that the universe would 
be so interested in us that it provides a recording service. 
Belly laugh of the morning, thanks Sal!
life without chocolate cake isn't higher at all.
I will amend that statement only to the extent of replacing chocolate cake 
with coffee ice cream. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Well, there are detailed accounts of individuals accessing the Akashic Records 
, but in a subjective, non verifiable way.
Hence, here at least, I don't think you have anyone lobbying for its existence.
I have read enough accounts to make me believe it exists.  On the other hand, I 
have always enjoyed reading accounts of this sort, so it is always of interest.
And, of course, what is said to be far fetched, or impossible at one point in 
time, has become the reality, and commonplace little farther down the line.
It all sounds like anthropomorphism to me. I don't get that the universe would 
be so interested in us that it provides a recording service. 
It's a nice idea though, I'd like to access the record of what happened on my 
25th birthday so my autobiography will be complete.
Speaking of unexplained phenomena in the here and now, what would you make of 
something like this?
First of all, consider the source.
Second, people can't live without burning calories, try it if you like - but 
not for long.
Third, every other recent case of people living on air or sunlight has turned 
out to be a fraud.
Four, why do people think it amazing or spiritual if people could live on fresh 
air? I think it's because this would be an outward symbol of inner changes that 
we don't understand. That eating is some sort of attachment and that they are 
now connected to some higher source that sustains them. It doesn't appeal to me 
anyway, life without chocolate cake isn't higher at all.


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

snip

I agree with Michael, that the idea seems to be woo bullshit. In a scientific 
system (physics) the differential equations can show the state of a system 
past, present, and future, if you have some data to plug in, but the 
indeterminacy effect of the statistical uncertainty in quantum mechanics makes 
dredging up the past or predicting the future fuzzy. Also in Woo-land the 
mechanics of how 'akashic records' could be accessed does not seem to be 
described with any particular clarity. The only really certain thing is the 
strong belief that people have in what they imagine to be true.
It seems to me the universe has properties that prevent us from finding out 
stuff beyond a certain level of detail. For example, the speed of light 
prevents us from knowing what is happening in distant galaxies now, we only can 
see the way they were millions of years ago.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

As usual, you are pretty funny Michael.
Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before 
Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records.
Does that mean they are real?
I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you?
But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just 
some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if 
they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the 
ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and 
his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone 
who ever gave a lecture
Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her 
theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who 
purport to read them  for folks, always for a fee of course.

  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
 
 Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot ofabout it but I've read a number of others 
on the subject.  Ididn't find them varying much in the description.  
Scientifically,if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in 
somekind of ether or celestial realms.  This 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Frack Off!

2015-06-29 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It won't last, unless your national politicians are immune to the bribes and 
blandishments of oil and energy companies

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 2:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Frack Off!
   
    

Well, it looks like Scorpionland is going to reject gas fracturing as a way of 
providing us with non-Russian fuel. Given the fragile state of world energy 
industry our ageing nuclear power stations, and the need to reduce coal burning 
I guess it's about time I stocked up on candles and firewood. And maybe some 
guns
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Spying in Guru Land...

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hard to believe Shaw didn't have a go at the Movement guys.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spying in Guru Land...
   
    Was just going through my book shelves with a view to clearing some space 
with a trip to the charity shops down town, when I came upon my copy of 
journalist William Shaw's mini-masterpiece Spying in Guru Land - inside 
Britain's cults. What a great book. It was written after the Branch Davidian 
massacre at Waco in Texas, Shaw wondered if there was anything similar waiting 
to happen in the UK, some dangerous and hidden sect ready to take on the forces 
of law and order. So he decided to spend a year joining as many secretive 
religious sects and cults as he could find and then, without mocking the 
beliefs or the people holding them, present an overview of the sort of belief 
systems that you can get involved if you want, or if you aren't careful.
The result is a charming and wry look at some highly odd ideas, both eastern 
and western and even mixed together sometimes. Some very colourful leaders and 
some even deliberately colourless ones too. The usual confused but eager flocks 
are there, desperate for guidance or just something to believe in in an 
increasing secular world. I bet the only group anyone here will have heard of 
are ISKCON - The International Society for Krishna Consciousness - but you are 
missing out on some gems. 
My favourites the first time I read it in 1995 are undoubtably The Chrissema 
Foundation. Named after it's founders Chris Orchard and Emma Lea they were a 
very small scale but growing outfit having just started to get going after 
Chris had finished his quest and deciding that he knew the answers to life. In 
fact, it turned out that he didn't know where to look until he met his 
girlfriend Emma, who is described as looking like the girl behind the checkout 
at Boots, all peroxide hair and pink lipstick. The secret of the Chrissemma 
success is that followers can find enlightenment in observing the perfect 
relationship of the founders The dynamic of Chris and I being together is the 
latest God Technology says Emma.
To be fair they weren't expensive, an hour long session held every week cost 
each participant £10 which is peanuts. And for that they'd get advice on 
relationships, career and spiritual matters. Here's a sneek peek;
The other week Emma went fishing and she caught a fish, a mackerel. Afterwards 
some of you came up and asked how she killed it. The thing is, it is of 
absolutely no concern how she killed it. There are a few ways to kill a fish - 
letting it drown in air or hitting its head on something hard - Emma didn't 
care, it didn't matter to her as she has reached a stage of enlightenment where 
it doesn't matter how a fish dies. It's just doing the fish thing and if you 
want to stop it suffering then you have started suffering yourself. It's a very 
human thing to want to interfere, we hear about a war in Bosnia and we want to 
stop the suffering but it's a product of our own psyche. If we banish the 
suffering in our own minds we banish the suffering of others
It's all great stuff, a mixture of nihilism, the surrender to the eventual 
misery of failed relationships and the inevitability of death and a curious 
east/west folk therapy. You'll possibly be surprised to find that when 
Chrissema decided they wanted to move to a different area the whole 
congregation of their fledgling group moved towns with them, changing jobs and 
everything! And it isn't like the help they got was particularly useful - 
staying in destructive relationships etc. I've always thought that each type of 
spiritual group will attract the people most suited to it this makes me wonder 
if it's in any way predictable, maybe there's an app we could write that 
matches a group to an individual?
Anyway, I was really enjoying reading about these guys again,and the others in 
the book like the followers of Holy John, The Gurdjeiff system taught at the 
misleadingly titled School of Economic Science and The Jesus Army when I 
started to wonder what they were all doing now and if there had ever been a 
follow up from Shaw as to the current state - 20 years on - of Britain's cults. 
It turns out there hasn't so I thought I'd do a review of them myself using the 
much easier modern method of information gathering, a half hour on Google
I figured that with increased exposure via the web these groups must have grown 
exponentially but guess what? They didn't. They've all gone. With the exception 
of ISKCON and The Jesus Army we are now bereft of all of them, even the wisdom 
of Chris and Emma, who seem to have disappeared about the same time as the net 
got popular. How impoverished is our national life now that there are no 
organised groups like The Emin with their theatrical new age practices and 
belief in auras and controlling natural laws? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
which akashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a few depending on 
which new age whacko you consult for your records

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
 The intellect is binary so not that hard to model.  It is yes or no.  A US 
Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s.  I had 
suggested this to our development team before the paper was published and one 
of the project leads came across it.  I recall the student got some interesting 
and unexpected results with his model.
 
 Neural networks are a way of learning.  They've been around for awhile.  My 
books probably date back to the 1980s.  But what if our brains are really 
nothing more than receiver/transmitters that communicate with the akashic 
record?  Yeah, a bit woo-woo maybe but could indeed be a possibility.  Might 
explain some things.
 
 On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Everything is debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligence 
does apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence. 
Attempting to replicate human intelligence has so far failed because the human 
neural network of connexions is so complex.  Many researchers are investigating 
insect intelligence, which is a simpler model to try to understand. That Google 
paper was interesting. Here is one of the conversations from that original 
paper: 
   Human: what is the purpose of life? Machine: to serve the greater good. 
Human: what is the purpose of living? Machine: to live forever. Human: what is 
the purpose of existence? Machine: to find out what happens when we get to the 
planet earth. Human: where are y! ou now? Machine: i'm in the middle of 
nowhere. Human: what is the purpose of dying? Machine: to have a life. Human: 
what is the purpose of being intelligent? Machine: to find out what it is. 
Human: what is the purpose of emotions? Machine: i don't know. 
  I attached the original paper, A Neural Conversational Model, to this post.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Xeno, 
  I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying.  You seem to be 
saying that humans are machines too.  That's debatable.  In this context, we're 
talking about artificial intelligence which does not apply to humans.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it is worth the 
computing time and the bother of implementation.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
  One machine said NO...which is correct.  It's database was based on movie 
scripts.  But if the database included philosophical and ethics discussions, 
the machine could have  gotten the correct answer from those discussions.  Even 
if it got the correct answer, the machine still does not know what it said. 
  Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just 
some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if 
they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the 
ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and 
his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone 
who ever gave a lecture
Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her 
theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who 
purport to read them  for folks, always for a fee of course.

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
 Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of 
others on the subject.  I didn't find them varying much in the description.  
Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in 
some kind of ether or celestial realms.  This is something that has not 
been researched much.
 
 This would mean that human beings are a terminal to a cosmic computer.  :-D 
 
 On 06/28/2015 02:17 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  


     which akashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a few depending on 
which new age whacko you consult for your records
   
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
      The intellect is binary so not that hard to model.  It is yes or no.  
A US Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s.  I 
had suggested this to our development team before the paper was published and 
one of the  project leads came across it.  I recall the student got some 
interesting and unexpected results with his model.
 
 Neural networks are a way of learning.  They've been around for awhile.  My 
books probably date back to the 1980s.  But what if our brains are really 
nothing more than receiver/transmitters that communicate with the akashic 
record?  Yeah, a bit woo-woo maybe but could indeed be a possibility.  Might 
explain some things.
 
 On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Everything is debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligence 
does  apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence. 
Attempting to  replicate human intelligence has so far failed because the human 
neural network of connexions is so complex. Many researchers are investigating 
insect intelligence,  which is a simpler model to try to understand. That 
Google paper was interesting. Here is one of the conversations from that 
original paper: 
   Human: what is the purpose of life? Machine: to serve the greater good. 
Human: what is the purpose of living? Machine: to live forever. Human: what is 
the purpose of existence? Machine: to find out what happens when we get to the 
planet earth. Human: where are y! ou now? Machine: i'm in the middle of 
nowhere. Human: what is the purpose of dying? Machine: to have a life. Human: 
what is the purpose of being intelligent? Machine: to find out what it is. 
Human: what is the purpose of emotions? Machine: i don't know. 
  I attached the original paper, A Neural Conversational Model, to this post.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Xeno, 
  I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying.  You seem to be 
saying that humans are machines too.  That's debatable.  In this context, we're 
talking about artificial intelligence which  does not apply to humans.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it  is worth the 
computing time and the bother of implementation.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
  One machine said NO...which is correct.  It's database was based on movie 
scripts.   But if the database included philosophical and  ethics discussions, 
the machine could have gotten the correct answer from those  discussions.  Even 
if it got the correct answer,  the machine still does not know what it said. 
  Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets  Testy With Its Programmer
   
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is asked to define morality, gets annoyed when it can't.| 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There are a number of people here in SC that are convinced the end of humanity 
is nigh because of the gay marriage ruling and the removal of the flag 
movements.

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
 Yup, it's just a theory for now.  But there's a lot we don't know about 
our universe and how things work.  People who might discount the notion might 
be the same kind of soul at one time who wouldn't believe that the world was 
round.
 
 There are a probably a lot of surprises coming that is if the human race 
survives.
 
 On 06/28/2015 03:25 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    As usual, you are pretty funny Michael. 
  Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before 
Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records. 
  Does that mean they are real? 
  I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you? 
  But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility. 
   
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
   Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just 
some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age  bullshiters made up, even if 
they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the 
ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and 
his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone 
who ever gave a lecture 
  Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her 
theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and  other readers who 
purport to read them  for folks, always for a fee of course.
   
  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
  
    Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of 
 others on the subject.  I didn't find them varying much in the description.  
Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in 
some  kind of ether or celestial realms.  This is something that has not 
been researched much.
 
 This would mean that human beings are a terminal to a cosmic computer.  :-D 
 
 On 06/28/2015 02:17 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 
   
 
     whichakashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a few depending on 
which new age whacko you consult  for your records
   
  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
  
    Theintellect is binary so not that hard to model.  It is yes or no.  A 
US Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in  the 1990s.  I 
had suggested this to our development team before the  paper was published and 
one of the project leads came across it.  I recall the student got some 
interesting and unexpected  results with his model.
 
 Neural networks are a way of learning.  They've been around for awhile.  My 
books probably date back to the 1980s.  But what if our brains are really 
nothing more than  receiver/transmitters that communicate with the akashic 
record?  Yeah, a bit woo-woo maybe but could indeed be a  possibility.  
Might explain some things.
 
 On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Everythingis debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial  intelligence 
does apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence. 
Attempting to replicate human  intelligence has so far failed because the human 
neural network of connexions is so complex. Many researchers are  investigating 
insect intelligence, which is a simpler model to try to understand. That Google 
paper was interesting. Here is one of  the conversations from that original 
paper: 
   Human: what is the purpose of life? Machine: to serve the greater good. 
Human: what is the purpose of living? Machine: to live forever. Human: what is 
the purpose of existence? Machine: to find out what happens when we get to the 
planet earth. Human: where are y! ou now? Machine: i'm in the middle of 
nowhere. Human: what is the purpose of dying? Machine: to have a life. Human: 
what is the purpose of being intelligent? Machine: to find out what it is. 
Human: what is the purpose of emotions? Machine: i don't know. 
  I attached the original paper, A Neural Conversational Model, to this post.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 Xeno, 
  I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying.  You seem to be 
saying that humans are machines too.   That's 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
List 'em Steve, then we''ll talk. Dunno what kind of fags she smoked, proly 
some European brand, or maybe since she was so enamored of India she got those 
bidis. 

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
    Does anyone know the brand of cigars or cigarettes that Helena Blavatsky 
smoked? 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

As usual, you are pretty funny Michael.
Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before 
Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records.
Does that mean they are real?
I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you?
But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just 
some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if 
they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the 
ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and 
his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone 
who ever gave a lecture
Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her 
theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who 
purport to read them  for folks, always for a fee of course.

  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
 
 Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot ofabout it but I've read a number of others 
on the subject.  Ididn't find them varying much in the description.  
Scientifically,if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in 
somekind of ether or celestial realms.  This is something that hasnot been 
researched much.

This would mean that human beings are a terminal to a cosmiccomputer.  :-D 

On 06/28/2015 02:17 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:





  whichakashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a fewdepending on 
which new age whacko you consult for yourrecords

  From:Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines KnowEthics?

 Theintellect is binary so not that hard tomodel.  It is yes or no.  A US 
Berkeleystudent did a graduate paper which Iread back in the 1990s.  I had 
suggestedthis to our development team before thepaper was published and one of 
theproject leads came across it.  I recallthe student got some interesting 
andunexpected results with his model.

Neural networks are a way of learning. They've been around for awhile.  Mybooks 
probably date back to the 1980s. But what if our brains are reallynothing more 
than receiver/transmittersthat communicate with the akashicrecord?  Yeah, a 
bit woo-woo maybebut could indeed be a possibility. Might explain some things.

On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

  Everythingis debatable. In an ironic sort ofway, artificial intelligence 
doesapply to humans. I often think ofyou as having artificialintelligence. 
Attempting toreplicate human intelligence hasso far failed because the 
humanneural network of connexions is socomplex. Many researchers 
areinvestigating insect intelligence,which is a simpler model to try 
tounderstand. That Google paper wasinteresting. Here is one of theconversations 
from that originalpaper:
Human:what is the purpose of life?Machine:to serve the greater good.Human:what 
is the purpose of living?Machine:to live forever.Human:what is the purpose 
ofexistence?Machine:to find out what happens when weget to the planet 
earth.Human:where are y! ou now?Machine:i'm in the middle of nowhere.Human:what 
is the purpose of dying?Machine:to have a life.Human:what is the purpose of 
beingintelligent?Machine:to find out what it is.Human:what is the purpose of 
emotions?Machine:i don't know.
Iattached the original paper, ANeural Conversational Model,to this post.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,jr_esq@...wrote :

Xeno,
I had to take a double-taketo understand what you'resaying.  You seem to be 
sayingthat humans are machines too. That's debatable.  In thiscontext, we're 
talking aboutartificial intelligence whichdoes not apply to humans.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,anartaxius@...wrote :

Of coursewe can. The query to beanswered is whether itis worth the 
computingtime and the bother ofimplementation.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,jr_esq@...wrote :

One machinesaid NO...which iscorrect.  It'sdatabase was basedon movie scripts. 
But if thedatabase includedphilosophical 

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community

2015-06-27 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
One gay TM teacher? I am sure there are more and have always been - one of the 
dozen or so teachers I knew in SC when I first started TM was gay (he still 
is). But it was never accepted and the gay people I knew in the Movement were 
always real careful to hide it or risk getting kicked off staff or refused 
entrance on courses.
I'll see the new TMO when it ever manifests, if ever. The Movement doesn't have 
a very good track record when it comes to manifesting decent behavior. 

  From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community
   
    there is a new open gay and openly hiv positive teacher in the USA. you 
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[FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community

2015-06-27 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Given the fact that the Movement has historically been quietly inimical to the 
gay community and lifestyle, I wonder if the honchos of MUM consider the recent 
Supreme Court decision as a sign of the Rising Sunshine of the Age of 
Enlightenment, or proof that the rakshasas are afoot, and more donations for 
all TM programmes are needed?


Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community

2015-06-27 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You come up with some good ones Mike! That gave me a good laugh - thanks!

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 6:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community
   
    Oh, most definitely, my dear shishya. A global yagya to correct the mistake 
of the intellect must be performed. This will cost hundreds of millions. If 
not, your children may become homos.

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Gay Community
   
    Given the fact that the Movement has historically been quietly inimical to 
the gay community and lifestyle, I wonder if the honchos of MUM consider the 
recent Supreme Court decision as a sign of the Rising Sunshine of the Age of 
Enlightenment, or proof that the rakshasas are afoot, and more donations for 
all TM programmes are needed?
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better 
than that, now he is the main-most person in charge!

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    
Et tu Edg?

So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it 
is OK?
Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true.

It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right 
now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the 
criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria 
is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a 
matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here.

And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand 
of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to 
opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking.

Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you 
ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said 
Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his 
idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's 
name?

Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no 
love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has 
engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you 
and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up 
as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant 
condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. 

Edg, do ya hear me!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug?  Will he bounce others?   I 
don't think so.  Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other 
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.  

Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough.  So? 
 Yeah, abusive.  So?

I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly 
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set.   Doug 
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this 
shows his, um, forbearance?

Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself 
for the barbs.  Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of 
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, 
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow 
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term 
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that 
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. 
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the 
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of 
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the 
so-called guidelines.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent 
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus 
far spam removed.












































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Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Are you kidding? It fucks everything up! There are a gazillion sites covering 
both the pros and cons, but from what I have read wherever they have fracked, 
the water winds up getting polluted with all the chemicals they use to frack 
with - the energy companies always use 2 excuses one of which is to NEVER 
release publicly the entire list of chemicals used in fracking, that way they 
don't have to admit it came from them, and then they say You don't know that 
these chemicals weren't there to start with before we ever came along.
But I thought Scotland and Wales had banned the practice?


  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
   
    
So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep 
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these 
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it 
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of 
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country 
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?


Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides
 
||
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decide...  Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections, 
meaning companies just outside parks will be able to drill horizontally below 
them||
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You might be right, he didn't even ban me for reviling D Lynch lately - of 
course one can never be sure, because he sometimes has a delayed reaction to 
these things - I think he is mainly loving being the power that can ban if he 
chooses. 

I have not really shown my contempt for TM, TMSP and the laughable idea of the 
Marshy Effect lately, but I'm workin' one up - we'll see how he responds to 
that.

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:27 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug?  Will he bounce others?   
I don't think so.  Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other 
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.  

Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough.  So? 
 Yeah, abusive.  So?

I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly 
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set.   Doug 
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this 
shows his, um, forbearance?

Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself 
for the barbs.  Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of 
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.

 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, 
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow 
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term 
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that 
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. 
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the 
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of 
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the 
so-called guidelines.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent 
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus 
far spam removed.










































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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
You are full of it Judy - show us the post where Doug gave the explanation. 

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:35 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

(snip)
So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are 
making up their own to cover this glaring gap.


















































Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore 
Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him 
bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. 
And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance.
Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll 
get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up 
that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment 
over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows 
you don't have the integrity to retract it.)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Busted! Fracking Chemical Found in Wyoming Water Supply
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| Busted! Fracking Chemical Found in Wyoming Water Su...The U.S. EPA has just 
released test results indicating that at least one common fracking chemical has 
contaminated drinking water in the town of Pavillion, Wyoming... |
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  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Are you kidding? It fucks everything up! There are a gazillion sites covering 
both the pros and cons, but from what I have read wherever they have fracked, 
the water winds up getting polluted with all the chemicals they use to frack 
with - the energy companies always use 2 excuses one of which is to NEVER 
release publicly the entire list of chemicals used in fracking, that way they 
don't have to admit it came from them, and then they say You don't know that 
these chemicals weren't there to start with before we ever came along.
But I thought Scotland and Wales had banned the practice?
hmm, not sure if they are allowed to ban things. 
I'm basically against it but can't see what else they can do as we weren't 
interested in alternative energy sources. No one likes wind farms and our 
so-called greenest government ever has removed the subsidy for them so the 
market will collapse. If we want to keep the lights on it's going to be 
fracking or nothing.
The trouble with the UK is it's much smaller and more densely populated than 
the USA which is why I asked if anyone had had any personal experience. If it's 
bad for people there, any problems  will be compounded here.
The chemicals they use are a worry but our government says they won't be 
allowed to do pump shit into the ground without telling us what it is. This I 
do not believe as the new TTIP agreement will allow foreign companies to sue us 
if we damage their business practises. I'll put good money on them getting away 
with it too.
I'm a natural energy believer. We live on an island with predictable and strong 
tides every day and no one has invested in wave power. It's insane.
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Frack or not to Frack?
 
 
So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep 
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these 
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it 
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of 
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country 
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?


Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides

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Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections, meaning 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
List of the Harmed
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| List of the Harmed-Updated as of May 18th, 2015- *PDF version here - List of 
the Harmed The following is an ever-growing list of the individuals and 
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  From: savagehondo no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:39 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Frack or not to Frack?
   
    
In the experience of Pennsylvania, natural gas prices fall and jobs are 
created both directly in the gas industry and indirectly as regional and 
national economies benefit from lower energy costs. Europe can benefit from 
lessons learned in Pennsylvania, minimizing damage to the local environment.
The Facts on Fracking 
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consider the pros and cons of fracking in comparison with other technologies.   
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


So, it looks like the UK government is going ahead with plans to allow the deep 
underground gas fracturing process to go ahead almost everywhere in these 
shores.
What I'm wondering is, have any of you been affected by it in America? Did it 
make your water undrinkable? More Earthquakes/explosions? Have you run out of 
drinking water or had trouble with endless giant lorries filling the country 
roads?
Basically, has it been a good thing or not, what's the feeling?


Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decides

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|  | |  | Fracking will be allowed under national parks, UK decide... 
Final amendments to infrastructure bill unpick earlier protections, meaning 
companies just outside parks will be able to drill horizontally below them |  |
| View on www.theguardian.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's because Barry is an interesting person and an asset to FFL. None of us 
are blind to his sometimes vituperative behavior, but some of us felt I think 
that his benefits outweighed his negatives. I for one want him back.

  From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    What a fuss!  I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was 
made about an expulsion.  Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why 
they *weren't* taking such actions.  Just consider it part of the larger social 
experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW 
didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here 
(or so).  There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to 
come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on 
others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as 
negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may 
be consequences to their actions that they have to experience.  It is just the 
way it is—some people need lines in concrete.  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Thanks for your feedback.
Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from.  
I think most of us do.
As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was 
just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least 
constant thorn.

Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her 
own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the 
new line is.

Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with 
that.
I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some 
people's eyes.
Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this.

Steve:
How bout this.
Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what 
happens?

Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put 
a wire in an electric socket.

Steve: But, here's the kicker.
How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and 
respect?

Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing 
here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point 
in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to 
lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing 
now.

Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti 
MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades.
How boring will that be!
But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say.
He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher.
That is tolerable, IMO.
Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place.
You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post.
Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought.

Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the 
place the way it was, YMMV.


Send!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion.
Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some 
sort?

Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the 
discussion lively.

S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty 
straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples 
buttons.
so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in 
that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it.

Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here.  I am not comparing myself to 
Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I 
view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have 
violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted 
on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an 
individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. 
I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do.

Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's 
moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. .

Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY.

Steve:As was pointed out.  Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more.

Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And 
I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mjackson74 can be moderator (A modest proposal)

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Had to laugh - dunno how FFL could have 2 - I vote for going back to no 
moderator status for the group - still can't believe Rick caved into Buck's 
need to be some sort of controller.

  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:22 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mjackson74 can be moderator (A modest proposal)
   
    

I think, mjackson74 should be made a moderator. He can be a 
good counter-balance to Buck.

Is mjackson74 willing to be a moderator?


--- s3raphita@... wrote :

Re this new FFL regime where members are banned after posting offensive 
messages. There's a division between those, like me, to whom an insult on a 
topical website simply makes me shrug my shoulders - like water off a duck's 
back, to mix my metaphors; and those to whom FFL is a spiritual site and 
members should have a certain, minimum consideration of the feelings of those 
they disagree with.
Here's the thing: there used to be a rule that those who posted too many 
messages over a period would be banned from the site for a week or whatever. 
Now that Buck has volunteered to be the site's censor why not allow him to ban 
someone who is offensive for a week at a time (not permanently)? That way 
anyone who persistently abused others would, as persistently, be banned from 
posting to the site. Would that not be a reasonable compromise?
One difference from the rule when posters were ostracised for too many messages 
is that that sanction was automatically triggered when the counter indicated 
someone had got too fond of the sound of his own voice. Whether someone is 
offensive is clearly a subjective judgement. Buck has taken on the role - isn't 
he a true believer? So won't he come down hardest on those who take a more 
sceptical view of TM and MMY? But setting aside that issue - Buck is the one 
who volunteered to take on the role, and I wouldn't like the job! - wouldn't my 
modest proposal be an acceptable solution?

--- salyavin808@... wrote :

It depends on what you mean by offensive. 
I found Back for more really offensive for spending three days slagging off 
Xeno for having the temerity to post a series of logic and reasonable arguments 
against Buck's first putsch. I could have been all nicety-nice about it but 
what's the point? If someone is so pathologically clueless they spend days 
attacking someone in exactly the sort of way that they claim drove them away 
from FFL in the first place they are going to be too self-centred to notice any 
subtle inflexions that I could impart. 
Personally I think behaviour like that ought to be self-moderating in that if I 
was called on such rank hypocrisy I'd be too embarrassed to show my face here 
for a month. But here they are already commenting on this very post with 
another round of sneering, lying, goading and insulting. Some people are just 
too full of themselves. Go figure 

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are the one confused - I was addressing Sal and something he said - try to 
see a mental health care professional to get treatment for your obsessive need 
to correct everyone in the world.
Or get a session with Barry - oh how I wish he were here.

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    Gimme a break. You were wondering what I was talking about. You were 
confused. I unconfused you.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

i was talking to Sal not u

  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em are 
doing it.
(I'm not talking about *sexual* harassment, BTW, just continued annoying dumb 
attacks, typically gratuitous.)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

I think she was accusing anartaxius of harassing her not you, or maybe I am 
confused

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are a bit over the top in your reaction I think J, I don't think he's 
harassing you, but that would be in the mind of the receiver of the comments 
wouldn't it? Anartax certainly can't be accused of harassing TM'ers. He is 
pretty balanced in most of his posts actually. 

No. I'm not harassing anyone, I'm just calling them out on their hypocrisy. You 
can't expect to launch a sneering pile-on and not get other people objecting if 
they like the work of the poster.
Me harassing TMers would also be silly as I am one. I do like analysing the 
cult of TM though, maybe that's what she means, but I never lose sleep over 
that as the TM movement claims to be scientific and science actually proceeds 
by criticism. If an idea is a bad explanation it won't stand up to scrutiny and 
should be discarded. Easy to forget that. And it is what this place is for.
A healthy mind challenges its own assumptions etc...

  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment 
of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing 
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if 
not very coherently.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Swami Shankarananda

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How bout them gurus!?!
Hearts breaking at the ashram
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Some of us wonder Judy what you do with your time when you are not reviling 
folks on FFL. 

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    Oh, blow it out your I/O port, Curtis. I note that you don't mention the 
context of *my* post, because it's embarrassing to one of your compatriots in 
trying to make up in nastiness for Barry's absence. And you didn't complain 
when I quoted Barry's post to you without the accompanying quote from Doug last 
week. Obviously he'd taken exception to something Doug had said, and everybody 
knows Barry was hassling Doug about his David Lynch mistake. And both times I 
supplied the URL of Barry's post for folks who wanted to know the context.
The only part that was *relevant* to my response to JamesAlan was that last 
paragraph. JamesAlan had claimed (as you know; it's quoted below) of Steve's 
post that Steve was saying I choose to believe and do whatever suits my 
desired ends.
Fine for Barry (and everybody else) to scream at Doug about the David Lynch 
post. Doug was wrong, and apparently he knows it, because he never deleted the 
post. But there's a HUGE difference between talking back to the moderator and 
declaring you are going to ignore him no matter what he says.

I know you're having to scramble for ammunition against me, Curtis, but you're 
gonna have to do better than this.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


There is something slippery going on here. Judy, who is the first to make a 
stink about the context of a quote when it serves her own purposes has clipped 
out this paragraph of Barry's from the thread context, dishonestly making it 
look like Barry said this in a vacuum. 

The context was Buck continuing to make a case that criticizing David Lynch was 
a violation of the Yahoo guidelines. This quote was contained in a plea to Rick 
to remove an obviously highly biased moderator who was gunning to kick Barry 
off. (Which then actually happened.) Here is the more complete thread giving 
Buck's absurd accusations and Barry's response. To me it looks like a rational 
response to lunacy. I will put Buck's first so his apologists can take a crack 
at explaining how this is a reasonable position to take concerning calling 
David Lynch an idiot.

BUCK:
Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a 
yahoo-group..Whoa,for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with 
MaharishiMahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for 
goodreasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the'what 
for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is activelytrying to slur 
and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to thisthread with an unqualified 
non sequitur posting publicly using ['exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. 
Nowin a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this postingof his 
post haste and protect his membership status here or will this beleft to the 
FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's.-JaiGuruYou
Barry:

This has really become too sad to get involved with.
Rick,please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his positionas 
moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of thetask have 
clearly caused him to become mentally ill. 

It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now 
he's embarrassing the whole forum.
Moderatoror not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no 
longerbother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like 
ourrecently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, hehas 
effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. 


  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
 
 Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a 
yahoo-group..Whoa,for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with 
MaharishiMahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for 
goodreasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the'what 
for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is activelytrying to slur 
and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to thisthread with an unqualified 
non sequitur posting publicly using ['exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. 
Nowin a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this postingof his 
post haste and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Maybe you should get her to do a reading for you.

  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what 
everyone is really thinking and why.
 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Then lemme have a go at it. David Lynch is a lying hypocritical mentally 
screwed up individual who has made it his personal agenda to rook as many 
people as possible into getting on board with a meditation that has limited 
good effects and is backed by poor to dubious so-called science. 

His films are showcases of a sick mentality that seems to orient around the 
bizarre and around abuse of women. 

If you go by the TMO's standards of what kind of energy do we create, then 
Lynch is doing a great deal of harm in the world through the sick twisted 
energy his movies pump out, and doing harm through his promotion of a cult 
organization that falsely pretends to be a world savior. 
David Lynch is a screwball and any of the TMO leaders who don't like me saying 
so can bite me.

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    
There is something slippery going on here. Judy, who is the first to make a 
stink about the context of a quote when it serves her own purposes has clipped 
out this paragraph of Barry's from the thread context, dishonestly making it 
look like Barry said this in a vacuum. 

The context was Buck continuing to make a case that criticizing David Lynch was 
a violation of the Yahoo guidelines. This quote was contained in a plea to Rick 
to remove an obviously highly biased moderator who was gunning to kick Barry 
off. (Which then actually happened.) Here is the more complete thread giving 
Buck's absurd accusations and Barry's response. To me it looks like a rational 
response to lunacy. I will put Buck's first so his apologists can take a crack 
at explaining how this is a reasonable position to take concerning calling 
David Lynch an idiot.

BUCK:
Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, 
for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite 
evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was 
there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch 
personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur 
posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice 
of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste 
and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL 
moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou
Barry:

This has really become too sad to get involved with.
Rick, please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his position 
as moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of the task have 
clearly caused him to become mentally ill. 

It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now 
he's embarrassing the whole forum.
Moderator or not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no 
longer bother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like our 
recently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, he has 
effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. 




  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
 
 Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, 
for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite 
evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was 
there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch 
personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur 
posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice 
of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste 
and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL 
moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote :

The responses below are some of the least rational, internally most 
contradictory responses that I have come across here. How the writer 
(apparently) considers these to constitute even a remotely coherent argument 
(and fails to see his responses as a complete surrender of moral 

[FairfieldLife] Flag stuff 2 [3 Attachments]

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Again not that it matters, but here is the first original official Confederate 
Flag, the Stars and Bars. This was unsatisfactory because it looked too much 
like the American flag flown by the Union forces. 

 So they changed it into the second one called the Stainless Banner which 
features a field of white, put there to symbolize the supremacy and superiority 
of the white race over the black race - this was the official flag from 
1863-1865 - problem was when the wind didn't blow you could hardly see anything 
but white, so it looked like a white flag of surrender

So it was followed briefly by the last one, the Blood Stained Banner, with a 
field of red symbolizing all them good Confederate boys what had bled and died. 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are a bit over the top in your reaction I think J, I don't think he's 
harassing you, but that would be in the mind of the receiver of the comments 
wouldn't it? Anartax certainly can't be accused of harassing TM'ers. He is 
pretty balanced in most of his posts actually. 

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment 
of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing 
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if 
not very coherently.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Shankarananda

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are f-ing hilarious!

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:06 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Shankarananda
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
 
How bout them gurus!?!
Amazing. Are there any untarnished by dubious allegations?
What this guy did in shagging all them babes using the excuse of getting them 
quicker enlightenment would cause me anguish if I was on a jury. Part of me 
would say; well what did you expect? Another part would say; besides, you 
didn't have to sleep with him, it was only your own greed that got you into 
bed. Maybe it's a good lesson to learn that laying the guru doesn't get you to 
the peak as soon as you'd like? Maybe they should be fined for excessive 
gullibility.
And part of me would want to throw the old pervert in jail. I think it's about 
time the teachers in spiritual world started having to wear warning labels...

This bit had me puzzled though:
“But the sad reality is that nearly all the male devotees of Shiva Yoga were 
treated like dogs.”

You mean, taken for two long walks a day, comfy bed by the radiator, endless 
toys brought by friends and admirers, one hand-prepared meal in the evening, 
regular free grooming and massage and your body weight in biscuits for no 
reason other than you ask for them? 
Sounds OK to me



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[FairfieldLife] Flag stuff [1 Attachment]

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not that it matters, but I wonder what the flag protestors would say if all the 
southern states currently flying the old Confederate battle flag were to swap 
them out for what was the official Confederate States flag, the Stars and Bars 
as they apparently did in one Baton Rouge court house?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ahhh, the dulcet, mellifluous tones of a Judy post. How refreshing compared to 
the rest of the plebeians, and how sattvic!

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    It's none of your business what I'm doing these days. But I'll be back at 
it very shortly. I've just been taking a break here.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Some of us wonder Judy what you do with your time when you are not reviling 
folks on FFL. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
i was talking to Sal not u

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    You're a little confused. See my third paragraph below. All three of 'em 
are doing it.
(I'm not talking about *sexual* harassment, BTW, just continued annoying dumb 
attacks, typically gratuitous.)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

I think she was accusing anartaxius of harassing her not you, or maybe I am 
confused

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are a bit over the top in your reaction I think J, I don't think he's 
harassing you, but that would be in the mind of the receiver of the comments 
wouldn't it? Anartax certainly can't be accused of harassing TM'ers. He is 
pretty balanced in most of his posts actually. 

No. I'm not harassing anyone, I'm just calling them out on their hypocrisy. You 
can't expect to launch a sneering pile-on and not get other people objecting if 
they like the work of the poster.
Me harassing TMers would also be silly as I am one. I do like analysing the 
cult of TM though, maybe that's what she means, but I never lose sleep over 
that as the TM movement claims to be scientific and science actually proceeds 
by criticism. If an idea is a bad explanation it won't stand up to scrutiny and 
should be discarded. Easy to forget that. And it is what this place is for.
A healthy mind challenges its own assumptions etc...

  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment 
of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing 
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if 
not very coherently.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think she was accusing anartaxius of harassing her not you, or maybe I am 
confused

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You are a bit over the top in your reaction I think J, I don't think he's 
harassing you, but that would be in the mind of the receiver of the comments 
wouldn't it? Anartax certainly can't be accused of harassing TM'ers. He is 
pretty balanced in most of his posts actually. 

No. I'm not harassing anyone, I'm just calling them out on their hypocrisy. You 
can't expect to launch a sneering pile-on and not get other people objecting if 
they like the work of the poster.
Me harassing TMers would also be silly as I am one. I do like analysing the 
cult of TM though, maybe that's what she means, but I never lose sleep over 
that as the TM movement claims to be scientific and science actually proceeds 
by criticism. If an idea is a bad explanation it won't stand up to scrutiny and 
should be discarded. Easy to forget that. And it is what this place is for.
A healthy mind challenges its own assumptions etc...

  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment 
of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing 
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if 
not very coherently.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.




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2015-06-25 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
SO crazy Ravi is back, and Doug still won't say why he banned Barry - Funny 
Farm indeed.

  From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:30 PM
 Subject: Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to 
come clean Doug
   
    
As Ravi demonstrates, another aspect of the whole banning people thing is that 
by having originally configured the group for anonymous posting, there's really 
not much Rick and the mods can do if a banned person insists on posting here. 
Ravi just posted as rc_racy, but when he was finished posting, he changed the 
nickname to something else, and there's no way to identify him in the 
subscriber list. And, once a group is configured for anonymous posting, it 
can't be changed back. To even attempt to boot Ravi, a mod would literally have 
to sit and watch the email traffic arrive in real time and immediately search 
the subscriber list for Ravi's current posting nickname as soon as one of his 
posts came in. Every time Ravi posts, I just laugh at the absurdity of the 
whole situation. 

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



Curtis - you really need to stop this malice and deception please. I don't have 
the time or energy or the inclination to post here and re-hash old issues from 
4 years back. The fact of the matter is Ravi didn't cause you any personal harm 
nor did I cause this international conspiracy of flooding the search engines, 
how hilarious and preposterous.
You got a taste of your own medicine and a taste of what your pal dishes out to 
everyone else - gratuitous, egregious barrage of insults.
Please move on Curtis - stop your poor me routine.
Same goes for the likes of Xeno and empty bill, stop these personal attacks on 
me.
Otherwise I agree with you. Doug's not the moderator I would have, he has been 
a TM cult enabler, an unoriginal, uninteresting poster who spammed the list 
repeatedly over the years. But that doesn't disqualify him from being a 
moderator but I would be concerned if his moderatorship results in stopping the 
freedom of expression FFL is renowned for. You are right in questioning his 
motivations in banning Barry, he just needs to state clearly why he has banned 
Barry that's all.
As a former poster I'm glad to see Barry go, Edg's impassioned posts 
demonstrate why Barry has been such a toxic influence here and you Curtis have 
been one of his greatest enablers here, and you should be ashamed for that.
Ravi


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Edg,

I was not in Barry's crosshairs and you were. I never viewed you through his 
eyes. You and I became friends on our own as we sized each other up as good 
people. So I am not judging you for your opinion of him nor him for his opinion 
of you. That is between you two guys and is none of my business. I always deal 
one on one and make up my own mind on people here.

If I was Barry's target I would probably feel as you do. But I would just tune 
him out like I did others who went after me or find a way to interact that 
suited my writing interests. And I might write as you have dancing on his grave 
a bit. I get the appeal and I always enjoy reading you whatever the topic.

But the bigger issue for me isn't Barry, it is an environment I have valued for 
a place to exercise free thought. It has been hijacked by someone who not only 
does not value free expression, he has acted against it. I know you felt the 
chill when he went after that Lynch comment as an actionable offense. 

If we want to understand what freedom of speech is all about, defend it for 
someone whose views we disagree with. I used to argue against banning Ravi for 
raving here until he crossed over a clear line of personal harm. I thought he 
deserved to be able to post because I didn't want anyone making that kind of 
content judgement calls on anyone here. 








---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

I would be willing to give Turq an offer to post ONCE more.cuz it'd be 
great to see how hard he'd cram everything into it.  Hilarious, right?

I tried hard as hell to like Turq, because: Curtis.

I'd do numbers on my head about Turq's a good writer, posts some newsy stuff, 
gives some headsup on films like that like that, because Curtis is smarter 
than any two of us here and he was okay with Turq, so I had to re-think this 
issue many times, but every single time I posted something -- even if it was 
neutral-ish and not turq-ish related and not even true-believer-ish -- BAM this 
dick would go out of his way to somehow find something with which to, once 
again as he did for so many here, deride me, the person, instead of trying to  
uplift with countering and educating debate points.  

Turq was a hunting sniper here -- shooting to crush anyone's spirit and ruin 
their fucking day with a major 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ha ha! Maybe I will.

  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    

You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a 
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all 
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, 
I did learn a lot from him.

But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as 
I thought him to be.  I guess we all are human.  But, it's a 
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from 
him.  

What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was 
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his 
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written 
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the 
mov't.  It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally 
as years rolled by.

Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are 
history.

By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss 
group.  The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife 
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :


Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would 
root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see 
the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew 
about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection 
and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will 
find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people 
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.


--- jason_green2@... wrote :


Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me 
along with 'Dan firedman'.

I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech 
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an 
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly 
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to 
Rick.

Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's 
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.

Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis 
move over to the abyss.  Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of 
fairfieldlife.

Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and 
takes over the moderatership from Buck.

Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. 
Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender 
feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a 
sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :

No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one 
than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have 
worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be 
ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to 
have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, 
if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot 
stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, 
and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech 
is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of 
insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. 
Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred 
cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently 
you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, 
you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to 
proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a 
strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be 
protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all 
beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one 
does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind 
at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It 
is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain 
kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those 
conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never 
in a million years expect.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you 
believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all 
the local TM teachers were enlightened???

  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's 
focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early 
days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a 
lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was 
younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that 
opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more 
intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop 
circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the 
extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated 
things. 
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark 
cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems 
to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, 
or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. 
What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps 
all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to 
ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to 
get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and 
we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a 
match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of 
a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
 

 From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    

You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a 
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all 
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, 
I did learn a lot from him.

But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as 
I thought him to be.  I guess we all are human.  But, it's a 
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from 
him.  

What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was 
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his 
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written 
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the 
mov't.  It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally 
as years rolled by.

Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are 
history.

By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss 
group.  The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife 
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :


Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would 
root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see 
the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew 
about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection 
and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will 
find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people 
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.


--- jason_green2@... wrote :


Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me 
along with 'Dan firedman'.

I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech 
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an 
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly 
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to 
Rick.

Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's 
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.

Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis 
move over to the abyss.  Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of 
fairfieldlife.

Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and 
takes over the moderatership from Buck.

Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. 
Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender 
feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a 
sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :

No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one 
than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have 
worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be 
ingratiating, they 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The '93-'94 Survey of Meditating Fairfield

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Interesting - if TM works then how the hell can all these issues exist in 
FF?!?!?!? 

Get a clue Dougy, TM makes you feel nice while you got your eyes closed, it 
don't do shit to improve quality of life in ANY community.

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The '93-'94 Survey of Meditating Fairfield
   
    Summary of responses to..
ESSAYQUESTIONS

Ofthe 659 people who completed a survey, 548 wrote answers to the 
essayquestions. Many people wrote multiple pages of comments andsuggestions; 
one individual sent in 12 typed pages. We are committedto making available an 
unedited compilation of all essay responses,and we need volunteers to help us 
complete this project. Please call472-7033 if you can help. Becausewe do not 
yet have an unedited compilation of the essay questions,volunteers read the 
surveys and categorized all answers. From thesecategories, they identified 
comments more commonly given. (Therefore,not every comment is listed here.) We 
have provided these comments inthis section.  The summary to the essay 
questions necessarily involved a subjectiveevaluation. While the comments in 
this summary were commonlymentioned, it is difficult to determine whether they 
reflect amajority opinion or even a significant minority. They simply 
reflectthe more common essay responses as interpreted by the volunteers whoread 
them.

25.My comments and recommendations regarding economic issues inFairfield are:• 
Concern about limited jobopportunities.• Need for affordable housing.• Products 
and programs tooexpensive.• Fairfield residents should getdiscounts on all 
products and programs.• Monies generated in thiscommunity should stay here.• 
Concern about prevalence ofpoverty consciousness.

37.My comments and recommendations regarding social and family concernsare:• 
Need for more ethical conduct(most often mentioned were adultery and divorce).• 
Strengthening family life (mostoften mentioned were neglect of children, weak 
parenting skills, andlack of recognition of the value of counseling).• 
Resentment of classism, elitism.• Need for less arrogance towardlocal 
residents.• Complaints about fatigue; no timefor social activities, feeling of 
lack of balanced life, etc.

47.To make Fairfield a more attractive place to raise a family, I wouldlike:• 
More parental involvement inafter-school activities, dances, teenage clubs, 
etc.• Fairfield is a wonderful place toraise children. Desire for more 
interaction between MSAE, MIU, andpublic schools. Desire for ice-skating rink, 
bike paths, etc.• MSAE: less emphasis on Sanskrit;more on Western traditional 
academics. Need for more openness andcreativity; need to deal with drugs, 
alcohol, and sex education.• Better pay for teachers.• Movement should 
subsidize poorerparents so all kids can attend MSAE.

5975.My comments and recommendations regarding TM or TM-Sidhi programs andto 
improve  superradianceare:• Treat participants with trust andrespect.• Need 
experience meetingsregularly.• It’s perfect just the way itis. Just keep on the 
program.• Movement recommending programsfor evolution, such as Jyotish, 
Ayurveda products, yagyas, etc., thenpricing them out of reach of the average 
Fairfielder.• More flexibility to come in andout of Domes, especially for 
parents.• Freedom from blacklisting forparticipating in personal growth 
programs.• Ease the dress codes, especiallyin the Domes.• Do away with reserved 
spaces inthe Dome.• Too many sales pitches and hypeon courses.• Bathroom 
access, especially inmen’s Dome.

 

107.My comments and recommendations to improve TM Movement relations are:• Need 
for more openness:• Foster non-judgmental attitudes.• Administration should 
exemplifyin its actions what the Movement preaches.• Eliminate elitism 
andexclusivity.• People in authority alienate andsometimes offend with 
arrogance and lack of heart. • Eliminate secrecy and fear.• Administrative • 
Hire administrators withreal-world experience.• Need for fiscal 
accountability.• Hold administrators accountable(some suggested elections)• 
Dissatisfaction with BevanMorris.• Run the Movement withcontemporary American 
business standards and practices.• Fairfield community deserves tobe rewarded 
with discounts across the board on all Movement courses,products, and 
services.• Reduce Movement hyperbole.• Get out of the hotel business andmake 
Fairfield the focal point.• More and direct contact betweenMaharishi and the 
Fairfield meditating community.• A concern that the Movement isdying.

108.My major concerns, in order of priority, are:• Money: price of Movement 
productsand services, economic opportunities, and affordable housing.• 
Attitude: need for tolerance,love, openness, fairness, harmony, respect, 
togetherness, and freedomfrom fear.• Movement Administration• Dissatisfaction 
with quality ofcontact with the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And I notice that Dougy is still not responding to Curtis' request for an 
explanation to Turq's getting the boot - ignoring what needs to be addressed 
and blabbering about a bunch of other stuff is spot on TMO behavior. 

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


This is not a place for someone who has a stated agenda to prove his point that 
an organization is a cult, and to label anyone who may defend the organization 
as cult apologist.

According to the spiel on the Fairfield Life home page, this is the perfect 
place to discuss whether the TM Org is a cult. If what you say is true, then 
you feel this place has a stated agenda to prove the point that the TM Org is 
not a cult. This is a blatant statement showing you wish to suppress opposing 
points of view, as do many others here. Remember the first quotation on that 
page:
What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is 
the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Spot on Duveyoung!

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the 
Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
   
    Alright Ricky!  You nailed meI didn't listen to the interview.  Your 
explanation seems a whole lot better than channeling of an entity.  
So, let's ask ya:  do you believe he dwells 24/7 at that level of 
ritam and is truly coming out with perfect expressions of the divine -- like, 
say, Totakacharya coming up the hill singing new sutras that were instantly 
validating of themselves due to their strict adherence to the rules of Vedic 
poetry?.pronunciation, meter, vocabetc?

I would doubt you'd say he was that refined, but maybe you would.  

Seems to me it's easy to pretend all this shit.  And if a person practices at 
it, well, sure, it gets honed into an art form, and that just makes it harder 
to reveal the fakery.

Me for instance -- the typical person on the street would think I really really 
knew about eastern philosophy, since I could talk non-stop for hours without 
repetitions.  Where's the worth in that?  A channeler who has practiced the art 
can easily fool almost anyone -- like a magician does coin tricks.  

Show me one channeler who says, Go twenty paces into the woods north of the 
dome, did ten feet down and you'll find a rabbit shaped golden ornament with a 
carbon dating of 60,000 years ago.

Like that. Like godamned that.  Give me some proof.  Predict ONE THING. Find 
someone's lost car keys for Christ's sake.  I'll take anything.

Your interviews are so lacking in this kind of push-back.  Not that nice people 
chatting isn't funzies.








---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be 
channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see 
https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles 
into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak, 
ritam bhara pragya.  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas 
Pump - 06/23/2015   Yeah, I agree.  Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel.  

I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant 
for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. 
 Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part.  I'm now 
Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face?

I mean, really. ...shit.

On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the 
human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to 
conjure up any concoction and run with it.  Who didn't play cowboys and indians 
and feel like they were nailing the role, eh?

Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system 
of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some 
giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it 
out.

In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with 
hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain 
of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as 
channeling would actually require?  Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY.

And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM.

I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that 
couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth.  SCIENCE, people, 
SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.    #yiv3000770658 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh God what a great post! I appreciate the history, I was unaware of the extent 
of Buck's complaints before my arrival and am surprised but not surprised that 
he did a 180 after being reinstated to the extent of calling non-Domers 
neganauts etc.
I did get an inkling when I bought and read Joe Weber's excellent book TM in 
America which featured Doug in a one chapter and how he was kicked around by 
the TMO.
The Ring analogy is excellent and spot on - I never thought of it before, but 
the idea of TM and Dome attendance being the salvation of the world, and Doug 
by participation a savior under the wings of Saint Marshy seems to be Doug's 
Precious. 
He may in fact be winning as I have begun to mull over the idea of starting my 
own group, but it won't be on yahoo, which I hate.

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    
Thanks for keeping the thread alive Michael. We have a fascinating power 
dynamic in play here that students of cult bullshittery like us can have some 
fun dissecting. 

Buck/Doug felt abused by the TM group when they yanked his badge for not 
following their rules about seeing other saints. This was before your posting 
period but his group spamming back then was all about the unfairness and lack 
of transparency in the TM group. Post after post on how badly he was treated. 
He finally wore them down and got back in the dome.

From that moment he began the routine of glorifying the dome and castigating 
the quitters using every weird term for someone who does not go along with 
the group think. His lowest point was invoking the Maoist term running dog 
in his contempt for nonbelivers.  As you are well aware he has used the images 
of drone strikes to silence critics like yourself.

I don't know when the Buck persona arose. At first it seemed to be a parody 
of movement rigidity but then it became clear that Buck IS Doug and that the 
artifice was a dodge to be personally accountable for his actual intolerant 
views. With such a huge target of hypocrisy to shoot at, Barry posted a number 
of posts that Buck did not like. So became the gollum-esque campaign for Buck 
to have his precious the right to silence an outspoken critic and not be held 
accountable for it.  He wore Rick down and got his one ring to rule them all.

First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing 
his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it 
on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power 
rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated 
how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So 
backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and 
he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an 
email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication.

The abused is now the abuser. Because Barry made some enemies here, people are 
going along as if nothing happened. It is a classic case of people's values 
being exposed about what is right and wrong because of their personal self 
interest and petty vendettas. 

So here we all are back in the movement. Maharishi is too busy to micro-manage 
a course so a leader arises using lots of poetic bullshittery to make it seem 
as if they are speaking for their master. He was carrying a secret wound of 
when the leader had been abused by the movement's authoritarian policies, Then 
the leader carries out his personal revenge vendetta against people he does not 
like to get them kicked off the course. 

And the people who didn't like the person look the other way and say,let's 
move along and not be negative.

And the people who have seen this all before and know where it leads stand up 
and speak out. Then one of two things happen. Maharishi visits the course and 
kicks out the power-grabbing guru wanna-be for abusing his power,

or the other voices get quelled one by one. Time will tell.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

And I notice that Dougy is still not responding to Curtis' request for an 
explanation to Turq's getting the boot - ignoring what needs to be addressed 
and blabbering about a bunch of other stuff is spot on TMO behavior. 

  From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


This is not a place for someone who has a stated agenda to prove his point that 
an organization is a cult, and to label anyone who may defend the organization 
as cult apologist.

According to the spiel on the Fairfield Life home page, this is the 

To Rick - Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I did listen and I can assure you having been a channel and having known more 
than a few other channels, he is simply creating a riff on the standard I am 
the archangel Gabriel or I channel Mother Mary.  

Its the same stuff, to appeal to a certain audience. I admit, having done it 
for so long, I am not too impressed or perhaps one could say jaded with the 
entire schtick. 

I mean no unkindness to you or Mr. Gergar, but its all feel good stuff that is 
ultimately of little value from most channels. There are times when someone 
will bring through something of clearly substantive value, but most of the 
time the person receiving the channeling will be happy with it because of the 
energy they feel during the session, which colors their perception of what they 
receive. 

In some instances, it is the energy itself they seek, and so its all hunky 
dory. And there are some who would say that if the energy feels good, what's to 
complain about?
My answer is that for the majority of channels, they want an audience, a paying 
audience mind you. Nothing wrong with making a living, but the people keep 
coming back and paying money to listen to generalized new age (and sometimes 
tailored to a specific audience like former TM'ers or other meditation groups) 
that is of little real value, but they keep coming back and paying because they 
feel energy during the session and like guru followers who feel energy in the 
presence of the guru, they think the guru is enlightened, therefore whatever 
guru says no matter how bizarre must be real and true. 

Those participating in the channelings feel energy and assume in the same 
fashion the guy or gal must be channeling legitimately and the blabber is or 
will one day be substantive. 
Unfortunately many participate because they feel inside they don't know as much 
are have as much as someone they think has it together.

Rick, I've been involved in channeling for nearly 30 years. I know what I am 
talking about. I went to this guy's web site and listened to a few of his 
channelings. He's no different than any of the rest. He is offering a lot of 
New Age blabber. And he isn't the only one who claims to just be channeling the 
higher self, he is just marketing a bit better than some.
  From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:49 AM
 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the 
Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
   
    Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be 
channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see 
https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles 
into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak, 
ritam bhara pragya.  

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas 
Pump - 06/23/2015    Yeah, I agree.  Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel.  

I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant 
for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. 
 Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part.  I'm now 
Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face?

I mean, really. ...shit.

On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the 
human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to 
conjure up any concoction and run with it.  Who didn't play cowboys and indians 
and feel like they were nailing the role, eh?

Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system 
of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some 
giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it 
out.

In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with 
hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain 
of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as 
channeling would actually require?  Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY.

And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM.

I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that 
couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth.  SCIENCE, people, 
SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.    #yiv8732175935 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chilly news from across the pond

2015-06-24 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
P'raps you might have a yagya done for protection from stinging flies? 
Did you or your ancestors insult the stinging fly deva in some past existence?
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chilly news from across the pond
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Let's see how Sal does as an eskimo.
I wonder how long it will take for us to notice the difference?
Having said that, the sun put in a joyous appearance yesterday so I went for 
the summers walk I'd been looking forward to this whole long, cold and 
tediously grey winter. And promptly got attacked by swarms of horse flies. The 
little bastards bite stings like you wouldn't believe. And I got sunburnt.
Roll on October, or the ice age

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in 
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk think 
the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what that 
heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea of 
honoring all the brave men who stood up to Northern aggression, you know, the 
damn Yankees?
Truth be told, a lot of those Confederates were idiots. Only about 10% of white 
Southerners owned slaves, and nearly half of the white population of the South 
served in the war. That means that the majority of the Confederate soldiers 
were dirt farmers who's direct competition were the slave owning plantation big 
shots. The dirt farmers were fighting to preserve an agricultural system that 
kept them in poverty.
But the bottom line is that no matter how poor and low-down someone is, they 
always feel better if they have someone to look down on, so the dirt farmers 
always had the slaves to feel superior to. For that, they were willing to die.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Holy Crap! From enlightened (so called) people to channels! What next?

  From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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297. Lincoln Gergar
By Rick Archer on Jun 22, 2015 07:17 am

Hello everyone. This is Lincoln, the channel for Higher Self. Welcome to your 
reality. In this moment you are creating everything. Your perceptual awareness 
is the Source Light. All of the forms in existence are this Light. You will 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bring back Turq!Bring back Turq! Bring back Turq!

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:12 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2
   
    How come so many are talking about Turq? It seems he is still very much 
with us here, in spite of the cadre that wanted him removed. And note that when 
one 'R' was talked about after having been canned, he came back courtesy of 
Rick. And we still do not know the offence Turq was canned for, a total lack of 
transparency is still operational here by the head of the Fairfield 
Inquisition. What you wrote here is about equal to anything Turq ever wrote on 
this group, as far as content and tone, so his removal is all the more 
inexplicable. TurquoiseBee's alleged 'badness' really has counterparts among 
other members of this group, including those that ran to the Peak. Since I last 
cleared my email, there are practically no posts on the Peak. It seems as if 
the cowards there are returning here. An overpopulation of wussies spells ill 
for the quality of content on FFL. The problem with Turq was there were few who 
could make a reasoned argument against what he threw at you. Anything is 
possible. Turq's main gripe, if we could call it that, was that ego co-opted 
just about everything spiritual here, and so he poked repeatedly at that ego 
value masquerading as spiritual wisdom.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Sour grapes, Turq?  You've been here for fucking ever and now you can walk away 
as if it were nothing, eh?

Nobody gunna miss ya much.  Nobody gunna tearfully read your old posts like 
they were photos in an album.  Nobody gunna say, You know, Turq got us all on 
the right track about that issue.  Not even Curtis will miss how you strode so 
haughtily into denial and tried to leave blood everywhere in your wake.

Nobody gunna give ya a quick fix for your addiction:  imagining emotional 
discomfort in others.  What a fucked hobby that is. Dude, I mean, really?

You added up to a negative number here.  

And now what?  More coffee, group sex, films and running from the law?  Just 
askin'.  I have always suspected you were over there because of some problems 
over here.  It just seems like such a natural conclusion given what a pissant 
sod you seem to be in real life.  What is it?  Back alimony?  Law suit liens?  
Drug charges?  One finds such a list easy to imagine.

And here's me dissin' on your ass for no reason at all, eh?  You never did jack 
shit one to anybody here and you can't imagine why all the chop-bustin' on ya?  

And I love it that you're saying you would never come back.  GAWDyou just 
made it harder for yourself to beg for forgiveness.   And you would've, but 
now, you've purposefully made it harder because you know you would have.  See 
ya in a few years then.  Time heals so much.

But watch, by getting Alex to repost your replies, etc., you'll weasel your way 
back here and pretend you just went on vacation is all.

Aaaand, the reason I'm doing this beating of your dead stinking 
horse, is that I know how much you'd like to give one of your classic asshole 
responses that always and solely end up being raw vile hatred of all things 
human..and now can't.  Turning purple with rage over there?  

You're a pill. Glad you're the one who had to end up swallowing it.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bring back Turq! Bring back Turq! Bring back Turq!

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:12 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2
   
    How come so many are talking about Turq? It seems he is still very much 
with us here, in spite of the cadre that wanted him removed. And note that when 
one 'R' was talked about after having been canned, he came back courtesy of 
Rick. And we still do not know the offence Turq was canned for, a total lack of 
transparency is still operational here by the head of the Fairfield 
Inquisition. What you wrote here is about equal to anything Turq ever wrote on 
this group, as far as content and tone, so his removal is all the more 
inexplicable. TurquoiseBee's alleged 'badness' really has counterparts among 
other members of this group, including those that ran to the Peak. Since I last 
cleared my email, there are practically no posts on the Peak. It seems as if 
the cowards there are returning here. An overpopulation of wussies spells ill 
for the quality of content on FFL. The problem with Turq was there were few who 
could make a reasoned argument against what he threw at you. Anything is 
possible. Turq's main gripe, if we could call it that, was that ego co-opted 
just about everything spiritual here, and so he poked repeatedly at that ego 
value masquerading as spiritual wisdom.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Sour grapes, Turq?  You've been here for fucking ever and now you can walk away 
as if it were nothing, eh?

Nobody gunna miss ya much.  Nobody gunna tearfully read your old posts like 
they were photos in an album.  Nobody gunna say, You know, Turq got us all on 
the right track about that issue.  Not even Curtis will miss how you strode so 
haughtily into denial and tried to leave blood everywhere in your wake.

Nobody gunna give ya a quick fix for your addiction:  imagining emotional 
discomfort in others.  What a fucked hobby that is. Dude, I mean, really?

You added up to a negative number here.  

And now what?  More coffee, group sex, films and running from the law?  Just 
askin'.  I have always suspected you were over there because of some problems 
over here.  It just seems like such a natural conclusion given what a pissant 
sod you seem to be in real life.  What is it?  Back alimony?  Law suit liens?  
Drug charges?  One finds such a list easy to imagine.

And here's me dissin' on your ass for no reason at all, eh?  You never did jack 
shit one to anybody here and you can't imagine why all the chop-bustin' on ya?  

And I love it that you're saying you would never come back.  GAWDyou just 
made it harder for yourself to beg for forgiveness.   And you would've, but 
now, you've purposefully made it harder because you know you would have.  See 
ya in a few years then.  Time heals so much.

But watch, by getting Alex to repost your replies, etc., you'll weasel your way 
back here and pretend you just went on vacation is all.

Aaaand, the reason I'm doing this beating of your dead stinking 
horse, is that I know how much you'd like to give one of your classic asshole 
responses that always and solely end up being raw vile hatred of all things 
human..and now can't.  Turning purple with rage over there?  

You're a pill. Glad you're the one who had to end up swallowing it.


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