Re: [FairfieldLife] Drummerworld: top 15 drummers of all time
Ringo? I think not! On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:46 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: in alphabetical order: Louie Bellson John Bonham Dennis Chambers Billy Cobham Vinnie Colaiuta Steve Gadd Roy Haynes Elvin Jones Gene Krupa Joe Morello Buddy Rich Max Roach Ringo Starr Dave Weckl Tony Williams
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM#x27;s Anti-Saint Policies
Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its position is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own minds. If they ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. But they very clearly don#x27;t , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM#x27;s Anti-Saint Policies
People are done with group practices. After 30 to 40 years of it you want to live your own life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM#x27;s Anti-Saint Policies
The antisaint policy is based in power and control as far as the TMO is concerned. If you want to be a slave to it and defer your thought process to the metaphysics of fear, then by all means go ahead!.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For MJ and the Turq
Ha ha! Whenever I see a David Lynch film I feel like I need to take a shower. Has anyone in the TMO seen his films? I kind of doubt it!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Healing Through Faith and Love
Wonderfull article. Thanks for posting it.sanjulag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was put together by me. Hope it is enjoyed.===Healing Through Faith and Love - A Case Study of Sri Ramakrishna===It is a little known fact that actors in Bengali theatre, priorto entering the stage, bow down before the image of an unshaved,rustic-looking, middle-aged man, who is now unofficially thepatron deity of all dramatic performance in the region. Itbecomes all the more intriguing when we realize that thegentleman in question was an unlettered individual who was neverformally related to theatre and saw only a few plays during hisown lifetime.Illustration:http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/ramakrishna.jpgThe story of how this came to be about begins on February 28,1844, with the birth of a boy named Girish at Calcutta. Girishlost his mother when he was eleven and his father at fourteen.From his boyhood, he was a voracious reader but left schoolsincehe found the formal atmosphere detrimental to the process oflearning. Without the restraining hand of a loving guardian,Girish's life drifted into drunkenness, debauchery, waywardnessand obstinacy. He had to earn his living through a succession ofoffice jobs, which he found thoroughly boring. His spare time wasdevoted to the theatre, both as playwright and performer. He was,in fact, a bohemian artist. An early marriage proved unable tostabilize his lifestyle and his wife passed away when he wasthirty. Thus did he lose his mother in childhood, father inboyhood and wife in early manhood.For the next fifteen years he worked in various capacities indifferent offices. He continued to indulge his appetites but alsoremained devoted to writing and acting. In his late thirties, hehad already begun to be recognized as the father of modernBengali drama. He was single-handedly revitalizing the revival oftheatre by producing a vast body of dramatic work in the Bengalilanguage, and at the same time was molding the first generationof actors and actresses by leading from the front; in fact, suchwas his versatility that he often played two or three roles inthe same play. In 1883, the Star Theatre was opened in Calcuttawith his money; this later developed into an active center forthe evolution of Bengali drama.In Girish's case, talent and licentiousness gradually achieved astate of peaceful co-existence. He himself sized up hispersonality as follows: 'from my early boyhood I was molded in adifferent way. I never learned to walk a straight path. I alwayspreferred a crooked way. From childhood it had been my nature todo the very thing I was forbidden to do.'Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/girish.jpgSkepticismThe course of Girish's tumultuous life continued till he read oneday about a holy personality who was living in the famous shrineof Goddess Kali (Dakshineshwar) near Calcutta.Illustration:http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/dakshineswar.jpgA skeptical Girish, without ever having met the sage, concludedthat he was probably a fake. However, soon after he heard thatthe guru would be visiting his neighborhood and decided to seehim firsthand. It was nearing sunset when Girish reached theplace, and lamps were being brought into the room. Yet theascetic kept asking, "Is it evening?" This confirmed Girish'searlier opinion, 'what pretentious play-acting, it is dusk,lights are burning in front of him, yet he cannot tell whether itis evening or not' thus murmuring under his breath and notrecognizing the saint's super conscious stage, he left thepremises. Thus was the first impression of Girish Chandra Ghosh,the father of modern Bengali theatre, regarding Sri Ramakrishna,the beloved saint and priest of one of India's most renowned Kalitemples.Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/paramhansa.jpgSome years later, Girish saw the holy man again, at the house ofa common acquaintance. In his own words: 'after reaching there, Ifound that the sage had already arrived and a dancing girl wasseated by his side and singing devotional hymns. Quite a largegathering had assembled in the room. Suddenly my eyes were openedto a new vision by the holy man's conduct. I used to think thatthose who consider themselves param-yogis or gurus do not speakwith anybody. They do not salute anybody. If strongly urged theyallow others to serve them. But his behavior was quite different.With the utmost humility he was showing respect to everybody bybowing his head on the ground. An old friend of mine, pointing athim, said sarcastically: "The dancing girl seems to have aprevious intimacy with him. That's why he is laughing and jokingwith her." But I did not like these insinuations. Just then,another of my friends said, "I have had enough of this, let'sgo."' Girish went with him. He had half wanted to stay, but wastoo embarrassed to admit this, even to himself.Lessons in HumilityOnly a few days after
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Falwell demands brainwashing regime for gay teens
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you thought Islamic fundies were the problem...look in our own backyard: Speaking at a conference of Exodus International, the largest religious group promoting the idea that gays can can change their sexual orientation, Rev. Jerry Falwell endorsed forcing gay kids into counseling designed to change their sexual orientation. Falwell compared allowing a child to identify as gay with allowing children to play on the interstate and dismissed psychologists claims that consent is fundamental to a healthy counseling relationship and that parents should not force their gay kids into therapy. Full story at: http://www.washingtonblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=1745 If you truely believe that gay orientation (not behavior) is an obomination against God, this is a rational attitude. Of course, even the most homophobe aspects of the Bible don't say this, and Jesus' admonition about even having a thought of sin being against God applies to ALL such sins, not just homosexual thoughts, and Falwell appears to be obsessed with what is actually a rather minor sin, by biblical standards (didn't even rate its own mention in the top 10), so we can easily dismiss his stance as not supported by the Bible. Only a faggot would say such a thing! Jesus ain't no faggot! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Byron Katie isn't much good at showing me how my ego screws up my life, but she is a genius at bursting the beliefs that make life difficult. I see BK as very clearly revealing the attachment points that perpetuate ego. Our mind tells us stories/concepts/beliefs that we assume to be the reality of our experiencing, but they're not. She facilitates the dissolution of these attachment points by her method of inquiry which frees the mind from any story. Like transcending with your eyes open because her inquiry calms the vrittis of the chitta. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather, as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through. Someone who wants to hover enough. snip We have all been trying to create positive aspirations for the world for however many years now. And I think that aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration to just levitate. You know, there's no way I want to levitate badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program. It would be fun, and if somebody were to hand it to me on a silver platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, it's not all that compelling. Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) And some get so attached to it that they're unwilling to give it up. The trick of the mind that believes it is overshadowed becomes for them the ground state of reality, and something to be overcome, something real. IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. Which is why this intellectualization is useless, either for encouragement or for putting people down. All it does is push things back a level: Instead of having to overcome the reality of being overshadowed, now it's the false feeling of the reality of being overshadowed that must be overcome. This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. Oui, d'accord. The conceptual understanding facilitates the experiential discrimination of the intellect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? Now that you've brought it up, I can remember any tale of him levitating, either. I was reacting to what Robert had written as a given, and about any siddhi. What would you call walking on water? Hydrolocomotion To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange, simply strange how differently people read a person's intent. lurk You're not fooling anyone, lurk, with your constant snide put-downs of me! Ha! I'm onto you and your anti-TM ways. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that there is a distinction between reality and Reality. Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) If you can find a thee or me in Unity I'll mail you $50. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like to believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some behavior we give up -- that could be the trick that allows realization of enlightenment to happen. I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) Unc Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 years or more meditating population in a recent double-blind study published in High-Ho India!. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How to get Enlightened
Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall. The attachment I see here is trying to be right and prove to everyone that you are. snip to end That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. I generally try to avoid personality issues in these exchanges, but it's nearly impossible over the long run. One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Ditto to that. This group keeps you intellectually honest! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the ignorant in terms of communication. It seems to me that as useless as pre-enlightenment experience stories may seem to the enlightened, they need to realize and acknowledge how very real they are to those in ignorance. That's the reality we're dealing with, even if it's obviously unreal to the enlightened. But its no more unreal than the enlightened experience... Enlightenment is not an experience.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened Do they? So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't see the garden and all that... It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You see the dream exactly for what it is, not real. It has no more reality than thinking about a purple pickle in this very moment. But the maya is not the big deal.being nothingjust Being... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
Slideshow | Print at Home | Order Prints | Save to: My Yahoo! Photos or My Computer Click a photo to view a larger version on Yahoo! Photos. See links above for more options. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. "Try to just be"? No try, just do. Just ask him. Bhagavan+M aharshi+2 The larger versions of these photos will be available until October 23, 2005 (90 days) Share your pictures with PhotoMail from Yahoo! Mail. Learn More Go to Yahoo! Photos To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Sat Yuga has arrived I've decide to get a new drum set (at least that's what I'm telling my wife). Pearl Masters BRX Fusion configuration, natural finish. I'll paradiddle in the new yuga. About 2K bucks? Well, right-left-right-right... No. The shell pack is $1489, but that price is going to drop in a few weeks to $1200 for an e-mail special. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? I'm sure Pete would stand on a stool ! I'm 7'1. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. I then did a word search on levitate and nine references to it came up. After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were both brainwashed and hypnotized. You did NOT witness actual levitation. You witnessed a delusion of levitation. Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all this anger towards Unc. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that it could have been captured on videotape. I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have written that you had witnessed what looked like levitation and not === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. Disbelief games? I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games when you claim to have experienced real levitation and then, one post later, upon questioning, qualify the claim. Either you did or you didn't. It sounds to me like you're playing a game of spiritual-one- upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced someone levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this spiritual-one-upsmanship. What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced such a thing that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to everyone that you experienced something that 5,000 years of recorded human history would come to a standstill if even the remotest possible proof was offered to its reality. I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would not be able to prove what you would consider a real experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I get it...you don't want to believe this is true. There are a few websites out there where people who studied with Rama have written about their experiences. The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. One of my stories is in there, but under a different name because they published it using pseudonyms for every- one, for privacy reasons. http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it. You aren't interested in what really happened, only in what you want to believe happened. So believe that. Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't affect me in any way. Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my personal experience. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. You wrote: Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. [snip] Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. [snip] I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. [snip] Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you originally wrote: I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation. I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have NOT witnessed real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation as you first claimed. No, I have. No, you didn't. If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have been the result of some other sidhi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And still another part of it is past history (on alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are experientially impoverished compared to himself-- including demanding that they relate their experiences and claiming that if they don't, they must not have had any. It becomes really quite unpleasant on alt.m.t; you're just getting a taste of it here. Okay, we've got a history here! Now I get it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, eye witness accounts abound, but there also a general pattern is found: the witnesses are not unanimous about what they saw. Examples that come to mind include the Fatima manifestations, the appearance of the angel Moroni to Joseph Smith and a few others at Palmyra, and one or two others I can't remember at the moment. Two very stable and rational people that I know, while living in Fairfield, experienced the same thing in utterly different ways. One saw lights descend from the sky and come towards her. The other person just saw planets in the night sky. Same event, radically different experiences. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Vaj, however studied and clever he may be, is just not gonna beat out the tall (6' 4) Brazilian bombshell who was dancing in front of the stage tonight. Just not gonna happen. No offense, Vaj. :-) 6'4 may be fun to watch, but too tall for me. COmpassion and all that: they'd hurt their necks trying to kiss me, for instance. Whassamatta, you too proud to stand on a stool, fer pete's sake? Unc, I hate to tell you, BUT THAT'S A MAN, BABY! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Sat Yuga Drum Set
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you remember the thank-you gifts we were going to get for the administrators--Doug and Linda, right? Twin T-shirts saying Excellent Male Offspring and Excellent Female Offspring. Don't remember that. Are we sure we were on the same course? I think we nailed it down awhile back. I can't now remember either the CIC number or the year (either '84 or '85; the flying block was in June). Trying to think of other features that would have been distinctive... Two airplanes to St. Louis with folks going to the course on board, one from New York (that I was on) and another from Boston, had to turn back and make emergency landings shortly after taking off. The plane from Boston ate a bird; on my plane, the outside fold-down stairs never retracted when the door was closed, and we took off with the staircase flapping in the breeze. Nobody had ever heard of such a thing happening before. Had to fly out over the ocean to dump fuel, then land at Kennedy because it has a longer runway (we'd taken off from LaGuardia). Full-dress emergency landing, shoes off, sharp objects out of pockets, head between the knees. Emergency trucks all ready and waiting to lay foam if necessary. No sliding down a chute, though. The landing was smooth as silk, and everybody applauded, led by the attendants. Pilot said he hadn't had to do an emergency landing in 30 years of flying. Somebody overruled it. Can't remember what we got them instead. (This won't make sense to anybody who took the TM-Sidhis after they started using the tapes...) You mean theydont' readthe 9th and 10th Mandalas any more? I still have my copies. Gold gilt on the edges and all. Yup, me too. I think they stopped using them once the recordings came out. On my Governor trainning we were told to underline phrases in the 9th and 10th mandala that innocently correlated with our experiences. Bevan (pre-famous) was telling us to do this. Some wit asked Bevan what we should do once we had underlined both the mandalas. Without missing a beat Bevan said, Then you get to go on a special course. Quite funny at the time! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. I welcomed in Sat Yuga last night in my backyard, meditating under the full moon from about 10:00 pm to 12:00am. Quite pleasant. Lots of dancing devas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. Since MMY created the teaching procedure himself (or so he says and I have no reason to doubt him) his decision to tweak the procedure is STILL maintaining the purity of the teaching. Its HIS teaching afterall... Of course, this is so obvious that I'm left wondering if you're raising serious concerns or are merely complaining because you want to see your words in print. (and people complain because *I* type too much on this forum). I always see the ultimate purity of the teaching as based in the enlivenment of pure consciousness in the followers. Look at the holy tradition. What links these guys is not specific practices, but the enlivenment of consciousness. Based on this criteria, the only successful graduate of the TM program is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Sat Yuga- wtf?] war and peace, starving and full
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I welcomed in Sat Yuga last night in my backyard, meditating under the full moon from about 10:00 pm to 12:00am. Quite pleasant. Lots of dancing devas. Nice!! It's cool again today here. Sometimes I am at war with peace- it's too f*cking quiet! Sometimes I am at peace with war- I'm not fighting, so why should I fight about those who want to? Sometimes I am full with food and starving for love. Sometimes I am starving for food, and full of hunger. Sat Yuga is here! Nothing has changed. I am here, Sat Yuga is here, ergo (funny word...) I am Sat Yuga. Or not. Let's Get Enlightened! I began meditating in 1975 to become enlightened and save the world. I learned how to make my body hop, high! I learned how to see inside my body. I met Guru Dev and walked around with him, laid at his feet, sat in the galaxies with him. I saw him in my mind's eye, a lot! I drew a picture of Him and put it in a large gold frame by my bed. I prayed to Him to make my life better. Then one day I smashed the picture with my fist. My path continued. I experienced bliss, and depression, and in between, and prayed and prayed along my path. I had CC, GC, UC experiences. Not permanent, hopeful, hoping for more. More. If only...--the story of my life. Then something wonderful and absolutely, spectacularly, infinitely insignificant happened: my path ended. Just stopped. No more higher states of consciousness, no more Maharishi said this but he means this. No more trying to get *there* for more. No more. Diamond mind, Mirror heart. All done. No place left to go. Except here. Hi There! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice- absolutely foundational as far as I'm concerned-was completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. - Patrick Gillam To join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. I had been one of the non flyers. Then on student purusha you could automatically move up to the fifteen minute section and then advance your time five minutes every month so that after three months I was sitting with the 30 mintue flying guys. After I left MIU I decided there was no connection between hopping and levitating so I never did it again. How can bouncing help one stabilize in mid air? I don't see the connection. Well, you wouldn't (see the connection). I mean, seeing the connection is pretty advanced stuff --the equivalent of floating during Yogic Flying, I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Sat Yuga Drum Set
Since Sat Yuga has arrived I've decide to get a new drum set (at least that's what I'm telling my wife). Pearl Masters BRX Fusion configuration, natural finish. I'll paradiddle in the new yuga. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post
I find his movies to be very disturbing, to say the least. Do you think anyone in the TMO has actually sat down and watched his movies? Blue Velvet, Ereaserhead, now there are two sattvic movies, ah? --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love his movies. But the guy is a nut job. Is this the best we can do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: July 20, 2005 -- IF you think Tom Cruise is wild about Scientology and Madonna is crazy about Kabbalah, eccentric filmmaker David Lynch is about to give both of them a run for their money. Tomorrow, the Oscar-nominated director of such graphically violent movies as Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive is announcing the formation of the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace. Lynch has been a devotee of transcendental meditation and its founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, for 32 years. The foundation he'll launch with his own money will fund schools to set up transcendental meditation (or TM) classes and pay for research on the effects of the yoga technique on the brain and body. Lynch hopes to raise $7 billion within a year. This is not a pretend thing, Lynch told PAGE SIX's Steve Garbarino. Our government spends seven times that on killing, calling it defending, and making machinery and technology to kill human beings in the name of peace. Despite hating speaking in public, Lynch, 59, says he decided to stop being quiet about his passion for the 47-year-old Hindu chanting technique after observing the sad state of education in U.S. schools. Today's students are even more stressed out. Their schools are hellholes, he goes on. They're getting pathetic educations. They're not going forward with full decks of cards. Students who meditate, he says, will start shining like a bright, shiny penny, and their anxieties will go away. By diving within, they will attain a field of pure consciousness, pure bliss, creativity, intelligence, dynamic peace. You enliven the field, and every day it gets better. Negativity recedes. Lynch eventually hopes to organize peace-creating super groups of 8,000 meditators around the globe, all chanting simultaneously. Why 8,000? It's the size of the square root of one percent of the world's population. Quick to point out that TM is not a religion of clones but a mental technique to dive within, he'll only say of Scientology and Kabbalah, I don't know enough about either to comment. People believe in what they believe in, and that's a beautiful thing. Happily, Lynch hasn't given up his day job: He's working on his next flick, Inland Empire, starring Laura Dern. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
It always had a slight moldy smell to it. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the LC is gone now huh? Yup. It's now an empty building site. I liked it. I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. And other places there. There was always an LC room not in use. Cool! Prolly the best use the LC ever had. We didn't actually help to pay for the demolition of the LC. The guy who paid for it was out of the country on the day demolition was to begin, and they asked Petra and me to stand in for the photo op. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrics
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam Tantra is skillful means. Tantra is pure, raw, openness. Using whatever comes along as a vehicle to Greatness. Accepting everything just as it is from the shit to the diamonds from the absurdity of the rajas fake gold crowns and faggy boy dresses to the sublime transcendance of all boundaries. It's letting go of everything and burning, burning, burning all limitations. Yeah Baby! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Well, like everything else, love has different values: love based in ego-has it's limitations; Love based in unboundedness is bliss. So, I agree, increasing bliss will save the world, and bliss is the highest value of love.\ Anyway, what do you have against love? Nothing, but coming from Llundrub it seemed out of place and hypocritical. His posts are very hateful and harsh. Not love. Hateful and harsh? Nay, nay. Inside all that swinging and thrashing is a heart of pure love. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All we need is love huh? Been tried before a million times. Unfortunately people are not stable in it, and therefore large groups of yogic flyers generating bliss consciousness for the world is the only way. Otherwise the next terrorist bomb will be in an American city, and it will be nuclear. So stop complaining. All we need is love, just ain't gonna cut it pal. OffWorld Just got off work huh? Why not finish that beer before replying. Relax a little. You crack me up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga
Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Offworld, if you only knew how unthinkingly prejudiced this canned response sounds to anyone who has experienced the TMO's actual attitude to competition, you would think twice before repeating it...! Probably right. The bannig of Amma people and Pundiji people from Dome and others is not justifiable by logic ( but is still a good idea :-) OffWorld It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. The TMO, however, is punishing people who visit other saints without any knowledge if they are practicing any other techniques or programs. Basically they are punishing people for crimes of thought. People are thinking in a way that they don't like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: women spirituality (was: Figuring out MMY......)
Christ on a crutch! The next thing they're going to ask for is the vote. Nag,nag,nag,nag. Can't a man have some peace at all? --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. I have very strong feelings about this subject. It should be a balance between the masculine and the feminine in every aspect in society. And equal rights. Ingegerd . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this question about women in the Movement is very interesting - after all, a similar issue is about to split the Church of England! Women in Catholicism Islam also have an uphill struggle for recognition against ossified culturally- determined traditions. And yet physiologically the critical issue (for TMO)in terms of spirituality, is the consciousness-supporting physiology, not sexual reproduction, which rests at a very superficial level of reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, female brains are different, but actually are less thing and action dominated, as with males, and more person and feeling orientaded - so if anything, more holistic in character. Nothing here to suggest that female spirituality would be any the less real, substantial etc. Personally, I have two daughters who are gold standards of spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is amazing that one of the motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, is the prospect of enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap Paradise this is - what if the virgins don't want this sexual encounter to happen? What value is sexual satisfaction compared to the subline encounter with the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have fought for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look at the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both men and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is only men... When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I was a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had all the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived with those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. Now, it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex Yes! Let's hear it for damned democracies and experienced based thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- Rory Goff roryrorygoffmhotmail wrote: --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, LlunLlundrub llunllundrub. wrote: -I take your hint. First crucify them then make them your martyrs. That's the sign of a smart and machMachiavelliangovernment. The same one today as yesterday when CharCharlemagneed. You need to read the ValiValislogy by Phillip K Dick, the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldridge, and a couple others. PKD PKD a natural paranoid from the hippie era who saw the complete destruction of human volition in empire, while holding out hope in the most ordinary and often squalid of circumstances. Thanks! I will try to check them out. I have heard great things about PKD PKDr the years, but for some reason the timing wasn't right... :-) PKD PKD a brilliant author. There is an openopeningne in one of his books that I read years ago about a man taking a rocket shuttle in a world where Germany and Japan have won WWII. Does anyone remember the title. When I read it it was one of those moments that a very deep insight occurred regarding the TMO.TMO was seeing that the TMO TMO like Hitler's Germany where the ideal takes precprecedencer the actual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: httphttproups.yahoo.com/group/FairFairfieldLife and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links FairFairfieldLifeuunsubscribeoyahoogroups __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...just twenty four hours until Sat Yuga! Hey, I even got my car washed yesterday for the occasion...(btw, absurd tone indicated here...) --Yeah, I've been hanging out at Hip Forums reading their Members Official Stripping Thread wondering if I masturbate will it prevent Sat Yuga from coming? More likely the other way around... Hi yoo! Good one! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. Or as Werner Erhard of est used to call it, Coming from don't know. Living out of the question rather than from the answer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. The TMO, however, is punishing people who visit other saints without any knowledge if they are practicing any other techniques or programs. Basically they are punishing people for crimes of thought. People are thinking in a way that they don't like. But what criteria would you use to ban someone? Can you tell, just by looking, if someone is practicing TM or some technique given (or modified) by some other teacher? No, and that's the problem for the TMO. Better to just ban everybody who has seen another spiritual teacher to be safe. I can sympathize with the TMO in a certain way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Methodology.
--- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I remember reading a book on yoga that said some believed the world always ends catastrophically before the next sat yuga comes. We're burning-off that karma here in this newsgroup! --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sat Yuga will dominate one of these days anyway, so if he isn't going to provide his followers with that now, why bother trying? If we wait long enough, the earth will see its Sat Yuga, with or without Maharishi. Does the inevitability of the eventual arrival of Sat Yuga include a guarantee that not just the earth but also human beans will be around to see it? I've always thought of Sat Yuga in terms of experiencing it. So much of the historical record has to do with the condition and experience of human beings during that time on earth, though I am in no way shape or form a Vedic scholar. Not experiencing it as a reality here on earth seems meaningless, sort of like the tree falling in the forest, does it make a sound? 1)yes, and 2)who cares? (In my more pessimistic moments, I wonder whether Sat Yuga is waiting to arrive until the last member of the human race has been eliminated.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Email from an old friend] confused ideology
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Rick. His intent is good. Do you know Rick, Fest? I gotta say, I thought it was a little below the belt to take issue with M's answer about having any children during the L.King interview. Do we have irrefutable proof of MMY's affairs. Strong heresay, maybe, but I don't find the stories that convincing. And what about all the heresay about Amma and her family. I Mean, are those stories any more, or less credible? lurk While we're talking stories, what about the one about you lurk and the goat? All I know is that someone has a lot of 'splainin' to do! ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Article....extreme bias.
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very large snip So, like it or not, the reporter is just reflecting what the society at large sees when they take a look at the TMO. There is nothing 'fundamentalist' about it. To a certain extent, but even allowing that this was an opinion piece, a bit more balance could have been expected. As an occasionally working journalist, I beg to differ. It is the accepted nature of opinion pieces that balance is not required, nor expected. Opinion pieces are about OPINIONS. This is why they appear on the Editorial Page, and usually within a special section of that pagea space where the writer is allowed to sound off. This, by the way, is not an opinion. It is information. L B S Glad to see you back, LB! Add some much needed maturity to all the kids posting (self included). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pictures.globalgoodnews.com/coro1.html I feel really sad when I see these pictures. Is this what MMY want to be remembered for? This is not the way to give respect for the deep knowledge in the Veda. Ingegerd - Patrick Gillam The shadow government and the shadow *King*.doesn't the hat look like something you'd get free in a box of 'Cracker Jacks? BillyG. On the surface the whole thing looks absurd. But I'm sure if you were there the vibes would be incredible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It was a kick to see my old classmate Bob LoPinto in the photos. And I was surprised to see four rajas with beards. It gives me hope that, should I ever attain rajahood, I would not have to shave mine. - Patrick Gillam Patrick, when did you attend MIU? I attended '74 to '78. I was happy to to see ol' bliss ninny Bob up there. I didn't know him that well. I think he was a few years behaind me at MIU. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the surface the whole thing looks absurd. But I'm sure if you were there the vibes would be incredible. Based on some of the facial expressions, I agree. Are you kidding? Ingegerd The facial expressionms or the vibes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pictures.globalgoodnews.com/coro1.html I feel really sad when I see these pictures. Is this what MMY want to be remembered for? This is not the way to give respect for the deep knowledge in the Veda. Ingegerd I suspect these fellows went through the ceremony believing it is a means to enliven the Veda in collective consciousness. At least, that's what I always felt when I sat through similarly long, drawn-out ceremonies at MIU. I'd go into them reluctantly but come out feeling happy. I'd feel I had participated in something silly and idealistic on the surface but truly effective at enlivening life-supporting vibes at subtle levels of creation. (Pop Quiz: How many boilerplate TMO phrases can you pick out of the paragraph above?) It was a kick to see my old classmate Bob LoPinto in the photos. And I was surprised to see four rajas with beards. It gives me hope that, should I ever attain rajahood, I would not have to shave mine. - Patrick Gillam I think the Rajas is not to blame. They are innocent in this nonsens. Ingegerd Nonsense on the surface only. The collective samkalpa (intent) would produce very powerful effects for the participants. Imagine a mass the lasted for seven days with the sincere offering of heart and mind to the Divine by all the participants. All pure hearts, pure minds with clear intent. That place was rockin'! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shadow government and the shadow *King*.doesn't the hat look like something you'd get free in a box of 'Cracker Jacks? BillyG. On the surface the whole thing looks absurd. But I'm sure if you were there the vibes would be incredible. Peter-Yes, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to stop laughing! How about a real King and a real dawn of the age of Enlightenment!!! Is MMY delusional, a shadow King?..give me a break!! MMY is living in the past...you know, *the good ole' days*. If he were here he'd be put in an institution! Gads...BillyG. I agree and disagree with you, Billy. On one hand the whole thing is so absurd, but on the other hand I'm sure the place was just saturated with Bliss. It's the pure intent of the participants that counts. It does loosen up the mental boundaries though, doesn't it? Why hold onto any mental construct? Especially ones that have no practical impact what-so-ever. The whole thing is like a puja...actually it is a puja to the Divine. I don't know if you're a TM teacher or not, but on the surface a puja is rather silly. You're symbolically offering bound/limited aspects of yourself to the Divine as Guru Dev. On the surface it means nothing but for anyone who has ever done a puja, it is a powerful experience. A conection to the divine opens up that is clearly experienced. So this whole thing with the coronation is silly on the surface, but on a deeper level it is a powerful offering to the Divine and the Devine responds in turn based on the purity of intent. The whole thing is pretty cool! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Sutphen wrote: It was a kick to see my old classmate Bob LoPinto in the photos. - Patrick Gillam Patrick, when did you attend MIU? I attended '74 to '78. I was happy to to see ol' bliss ninny Bob up there. I didn't know him that well. I think he was a few years behaind me at MIU. As was I. I entered in the fall of 1977. I've looked for you in my 1978 yearbook, but you're not there. Or maybe you are, but in virtual form. I don't recall Bob being any more blissed out than the rest of us. I'm glad to see he's apparently doing well. - PJG I spent most of '77 and '78 in Europe so I'm not in the '78 year book. I'm glad he's a raja too. My buddy from my Governor training, Kingsley Brooks is a Raja and the husband of my good friend from MIU, Candace (Oliver) Badgett is a a raja. So I got some friends that are representin' ! Yo' dog! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Methodology.
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the inevitability of the eventual arrival of Sat Yuga include a guarantee that not just the earth but also human beans will be around to see it? I remember reading a book on yoga that said some believed the world always ends catastrophically before the next sat yuga comes. I tend to discount beliefs like this. Maharishi has said, and it is self-evident, that life consists of 100% inner life and 100% outer life. So when I hear that the world is to end catastrophically according to a past statement or tradition, I have to ask myself, which world? What were the believers of this belief meaning when they said and believed that? So much of what is in our spiritual and religious traditions is nowadays frequently intepreted in terms of material life, because seeing life in predominantly physical terms is a hallmark of Kali Yuga. Is that what the original seer meant? Hard to say. A statement that the world is to end catastrophically before Sat Yuga could very well be interpreted as the natural process we go through on our journey to rediscover our true Selves; the small ego dies, possibly catastrophically according to the experiencer. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out ;) Good point. Is it an outer, material destruction or an inner destruction of limitations and attachments? Let the good times roll (with or without a gross body)! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Figuring out MMY......
--- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, MMY is quite enlightened, to say the least. The surface behaviors only impact the mind. That's our karma and it's very important to allow this surface behavior to impact us and to burn away the attachments/resistances we have to Self. MMY is a doorway into Self for those who want to take the ride. I think there are only a few more rides left before it closes. There are other rides too. Comparing rides is silly. Which is better, the Mad Mouse or the Round-About? Who knows. Just get on the damn ride! he's living in the past when India was at its Zenith, he wants to go *back* to that, (just like Osama Bin Laden) but there is no going back, only forward. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree and disagree with you, Billy. On one hand the whole thing is so absurd, but on the other hand I'm sure the place was just saturated with Bliss. It's the pure intent of the participants that counts. I think you're trying to say it was a rather maudlin even, that in the long run won't amount to a hill of beans.,,,yes? It does loosen up the mental boundaries though, doesn't it? I got a kick out of that comment, loosen up the mental boundaries, nyuk, nyuk! Why hold onto any mental construct? Especially ones that have no practical impact what-so-ever. The whole thing is like a puja...actually it is a puja to the Divine. I don't know if you're a TM teacher or not, but on the surface a puja is rather silly. You're symbolically offering bound/limited aspects of yourself to the Divine as Guru Dev. On the surface it means nothing but for anyone who has ever done a puja, it is a powerful experience. I have no problem with that, (as a governor) the whole idea of a 'shadow' government is absurd, we're just not ready for it, sorry, maybe in the future, but now MMY is nothing but a laughing stock. A conection to the divine opens up that is clearly experienced. So this whole thing with the coronation is silly on the surface, but on a deeper level it is a powerful offering to the Divine and the Devine responds in turn based on the purity of intent. The whole thing is pretty cool! Maybe, but personally, not being privy to the Divine response on such matters, I'll stick with logic and common sense. BillyG I hear ya Billy. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the surface the whole thing looks absurd. But I'm sure if you were there the vibes would be incredible. Based on some of the facial expressions, I agree. Are you kidding? Ingegerd The facial expressionms or the vibes? Scanning through the radio in my car yesterday, I came to the campus station that was replaying the raja coronation. I listened to bevan and hagelin et al as long as I could. To me the vibe felt 100% EGO and MENTAL. Anyone else actually listen to the whole thing?? The content was basically the same as the dawning of the age of enlightenment ceremony 31 yrs ago, except the in-house lingo about the imminent perfect vedic world was 100 times more exaggerated and everyone seems to have forgotten that even the less gloriously proclaimed dawning of the A of E didn't quite work out as predicted. The question for me is whether mmy is really into the whole thing or if he and his nephews are secretly laughing at the stupid westerners who pay them a million bucks for a golden crown and right to raise down payments for tmo real estate development?? That would be brutal, wouldn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandits return to Kashmir (still no show in Vedic City)
Vedic City is next! --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1176688.cms To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] BUMPPER STICKER FOR VEDANTIST
Not I Am Am Not I Not Am I --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering why you seem to care so much that you ask again and again and again-- is this another case of your studying human fundamentalism? If so, whose? Yours, or Bill's? :-) Me fundamentalist? Wow, you really don't read well do you. My original question remains -- why all the (SHOUTED IN CAPS) To test your sense of humor. It was a joke. Did Bill Gates learn TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am not a TM-exer, but I am a TMO-exer. And that is a big difference. There are quite a few TM-Exers, in my observation, who are really just TMO-Exers but who never had the insight to make that distinction. Yes, a very important distinction! It's too bad that the TMO fails to recognize this distinction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am talking about his unsubstantiated gossip about Maharishi having sex with disciples. But Off, it's not unsubstantiated. That's the whole point. These are reliable people who report this. Stupid slander with no basis. Again, just not so. Not that I care if Maharishi did, but why make things up when Maharishi claims he is a celibate monk. I believe Maharishi because of his 'power' he emanates, which, by the way, Rick has said many times Maharishi has very powerful Shakti And therein lies the paradox and the reason for this newsgroup. If I never had any direct experience with MMY I'd just dismiss him as a fraud. The problem is that MMY does have amazingly powerful shakti and for me has been that catalyst for profound spiritual transformations. The article with Rick in it was engineered by Rick probably, over time. You seem to be implying some insidious plot here! I know Rick. He's a very straight-forward, simple guy. He's not devious in the slightest. He's also a pretty good drummer, although I'm sure his chops are rusty now ;-) Was it Rick? What was your role? Are you friends with the reporter ? How did it evolve from months back when you mentioned the reporter that gets his ideas from FFL, and is talking ot you (the moderator) about an article? In other words how did your inherent prejudice drive this article? NOTE: I don't care about the article by the way, we are talking only about processes, which would be interesting to study. A study of process would be interesting. What is your process, Off? In fact why is the article so upsetting to you? It's not a slanderous article in the slightest. Yes, it is critical, but why can't the TMO/MMY be criticized? To me the only thing that is disturbing about the article is the blatant lying by the two TMO representatives. For the public,they're soft-pedaling their draconian measure for thought crimes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
Hmmm. Ever heard of a formal thought disorder ;-) Just being passive-agressive, Off! --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever heard of lateral thinking, abstract imegary, and connecting the dots to find out where it leads? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has a wife? And Rick insulted her? I must have missed that. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 11:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Hey Hey Off Off Off World World World
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Llundrub Can you find a way to stop f#cking up the up thread option. It is very annoying and you and a couple of others use some method that does not allow up thread in a linear manner. Thanks OffWorld I'm not sure what I'm doing as all I ever do is reply. So sorry. Ok Thanks. It must be an e-mail thing. Peter Sutphen's are hard to follow up thread also. Thanks anyway. Sometimes I'm not sure where to post. It's either at the top of the thread or at the bottom. At the bottom seems to make more sense. Doesn't it? Off, the reason my posts are difficult is because I have a major thought disorder. Isn't that obvious? ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Why don't you respond to mark's points? You engage in a debate and then bailout when someone responds rationally to your posts pointing oput their short-comings? You're not interested in discussing this, you just take your TB shit and leave. What a pussy! --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a spirited response but I stand by my points as written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] new coronation photos- Many!
Kool! --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pictures.globalgoodnews.com/coro1.html Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Ah, you threw his mind into a tizzy. Now his pompous little self has to sulk and feel hurt. He should just let go and simply be. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. Did you read the same article I did? In the article I read, Rick told the truth about what happened to him w.r.t. Amma and the dome badge. By comparison, two high-ranking members of the TM organization -- Wallace and Pearson -- lied through their teeth, on at least four occasions that were quoted in the article. And did you miss this part: Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. And this one? I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that if you examine the article, and what was actually said, what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. Unc I don't see it as the sin of telling the truth, but the sin of not agreeing with a particular mental position or belief about the perfection of MMY/TMO. MMY loves these true believers so much that he is willing to destroy his entire movement just to burn out these sanskaras. Is that true? I don't know, but it is a fun possibility, isn't it. Such Divine maddness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gods, Sages and Kings
--- shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Maharishi started crowning kings it was literally the crowning moment of the Movement...unfortunately If you take a look at David Frawley's Gods, Sages, and Kings he makes plain that in the Vedic worldview there is a natural connection between the three. In championing a Vedic worldview Maharishi can only be expected to crown King(s) There has been a dichotomy proposed here recently Maharishi vs Amma. It is too bad the movement sees it this way. Amma sounds great to me. I have learned from her movement- I have used their excellent materials on the Lalitambika Sahasranama. I haven't changed the practices I learned from the TM movement. I don't see any need for Maharishi to be more like Amma or vice-versa. The world is big enough and needs them both. Exactly. All facets of Self assisting the sleeping parts of Self. Each has their role to play. To demonize one or to exalt one is just more nonsense of an attached mind. You can only go by your own direct experience of any teacher. If their teaching is of value for you, follow it until liberation. If their teaching doesn't bring you there, then your sincere intention for liberation will bring you to the teacher you need. MMY is great, SSRS is great, Amma is great, Gangaji is great, Karunamyi is great. THEY'RE ALL GREAT!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Email from an old friend] confused ideology
I know Rick. His intent is good. Do you know Rick, Fest? --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was making a point about hypocrisy, that's all. I see it again in Rick's posting of the email from his friend. His purpose, I imagine, was to see this friend trashed by the group, which happened, very predictably. Then when he's got others to do what he truly wants to do himself, he surfaces and says he still loves the friend. It's a move straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. Get someone else to do the dirty work, stay seemingly above the fray, and emerge with your own reputation enhanced. As I said before, Rick should be a political operative. He knows how to do dirty tricks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM-Exers are openly hostile to MMY and the Movement. Rick is different. He is more subtle. He professes to love Maharishi (his word) and to wish the movement no ill, yet he sticks the knife in at every opportunity he gets -- stabbing with a smile -- thus adding the stain of hypocrisy to the stench of betrayal. In your world are there such things as complex feelings, such as loving someone or a group with all your heart, but not accepting everything they do? How do you treat your kids? Either you don't read Rick's posts carefully, or you are conveniently pigeon-holing his sentiments to fit with a confused ideology. ...the stench of betrayal...? The immensity of God can be betrayed?? By who? You cannot both ascribe infallibility to a person (MMY) or group (TMO) and then sound the alarm when someone 'betrays' them. Either you must 1)declare the person or group infallable, and therefore anything that opposes the group will be naturally overcome, or, 2) sound the alarm at the indication of betrayal, in order to protect the vulnerable person or group. I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Beating-dead horse (Re: Email from an old friend)
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawson (sparaig) You are a massive blowhard. You have taken the new prize as THE BLOWHARD OF THE MILLENIUM here on FFLife. I have never seen a conversation go on for so long over absolutely nothing as you have kept this conversation/thread going over the article with quotes from Rick and a response from his friend. Why do you have to comment to the Nth degree on absolutely everything and then keep beating it long after it has died. Sheesh. Tourette's? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Ii already said: I'm sorry that what I did angered you and hurt you. That looks good on the surface, but still sounds a bit as if Rick would be taking undue responsibility or blame for how his friend is feeling. How about, I am sorry you feel angered and hurt by what I did? That sounds more accurate to me. But what if Rick *doesn't* happen to be feeling sorry? Do you want him to lie? Rick could then leave the door open for future friendship ornot as he chooses, but his friend was angry and hurting and Rick dismissed it up- front, IMHO. Yes, I see what you mean, but IMHO Rick did absolutely nothing to apologize for. Since when is speaking your own Truth a crime? What kind of friend would want Rick to lie? If Rick's friend calms down, and looks beyond Rick's own one-upmanship, kudos to Rick's friend, but Rick's reaction sure wasn't friendship-based, IMHO. I believe I see where you are coming from, but we will have to agree to disagree :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Don't tell Iowa, but ethanol is a scam
Context is everything! --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Ethanol-Study.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. In all the agreements that I have signed since I became a TM-Teacher in 1975, it says nothing about not to see other gurus. What we did sign, was to keep the knowledge pure and not give it out to other organizations. Ingegerd Nor did I sign any agreement in 1973. Again, it is just revisionist history. Don't deal with the current problem, just make others wrong. It's like the TMO has a narcissistic personality disorder: arrogant on the outside to defend against massive unconscious insecurity inside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. Probably a relatively recent addition. Did you become a TM teacher after Robin Carlson proclaimed himself Shankaracharya of NOrth America? I was on Purusha in Fairfield when all this Robin Carlson stuff started. Did you know that MMY specifically told Bevan (and I heard this directly from Bevan himself) to ignore RC and Bevan did everthing but that? This supports Bob's position that MMY is surrounded by morons! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Reliable on-the-scene sources have told me that a lot of the money (maybe 40%) the TMO brings into India is misappropriated. Define misappropriated and why haven't there been arrests made? Because the financial laws in those countries are a joke. They expect graft and write laws to accommodate it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: False and Damaging Statements about SSRIs
Life of the mind in its full glory. We're all guilty of it to some degree. Nothing is simple and direct. Always a spin to bring it into accord with the fantasy. --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://slate.com/id/2122835/ On or around Jan. 17, 1986, Hubbard suffered a catastrophic stroke on a secluded ranch near Big Sur, Calif. A week later he was dead. Scientology attorneys arrived to recover his body, which they sought to have cremated immediately. They were blocked by a county coroner, who, according to Scientology critics, did an autopsy that revealed high levels of a psychiatric drug. That would seem like an embarrassment given the church's hostility to such medications (witness Tom Cruise's recent feud with Brooke Shields), but it didn't stop the church from summoning thousands of followers to the Hollywood Palladium days after Hubbard's death. There they were told that Hubbard willingly discarded the body after it was no longer useful to him, and that this signified his ultimate success: the conquest of life that he embarked upon half a century ago. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Hubbard's ultimate success lay in convincing millions of people he was something other than a nut. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: W-e-l-c-o-m-e-S-a-t-Y-u-g
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll welcome in Sat Yuga with my program and a puja. But If I start yelling Welcome Sat yuga everytime I do the flying sutra I'm going to have a massive headache. But Dr. Pete, Sat Yuga is kind of like Tinkerbell. If you don't clap your butt and shout I DO believe in Satyuga! I DO! well, then, she just might not come...isn't that worth a massive headche or two? Or then again, maybe she's already here; always *will* be here; always *has* been here, and so on. (Dr.) Who knows... :-) Yes, good thing nobody's here otherwise I'd really start to worry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
I was in Amsterdam about 15 years ago and the red-light district is rather depressing. More anti-shakti than shakti. It's exciting in fantasy only. --- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had to go through the red-light district to get to the Himalayan restaurant, but it was well worth it. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: I heard they were organizing a charter. I wonder if they'll fill it. TurquoiseB wrote: Ya never know. The turnout might surprise us all, one way or another. Unc, you could biff over to Vlodrop and report on the event for us, could you not? - Patrick Gillam If we can drag him out of the coffee houses (smirk, smirk) and shaki window display zone in Amsterdam. Don't knock it till you've tried it. :-) There is much spiritual energy in Amsterdam, and in just the weirdest places in Amsterdam... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's totally depressing, FMPOV. Much more interesting are the Smart Shops around the city where all sorts of interesting pizza toppings can be purchased. Serious spiritual journeys can come from those, but I cannot imagine anything other than depression resulting from even a brief walk through the Red Light District. It really depends on what you believe you can see God in, doesn't it? If you believe that some things are holier than others, and He/She/It dwells more in those things than in others, well, you've kinda limited your ability to see God, haven't you? I seriously doubt that He/She/It is so limited. Yes. If you can't walk into a strip club and see Devi everywhere, and can't bow down to Devi in those forms, then these words of depression are a sad reflection of something else I think. And as a spiritual exercise, I recommend you take a trip to some good strip clubs. Back in the day, I always enjoyed Pop-a-Top in Otummwa before the IRS seized it for back taxes. Used to see alot of rus there! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer
Jesus H. Christ! Do these guys ever give it a rest. Why don't you side mail each other. Flaming exchanges that last three or four posts are one thing, but these endless postings are insane. --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you run your offline relationships like you do your online ones, I feel sorry for your friends... I imagine they feel either totally intimidated or under siege most of the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not sure whether you're trying to pull a fast one, or are just DEEPLY confused. I strongly suspect the former. Gee, no other options? None that I can think of, no. As I say, if it's confusion, let me know when you get it cleared up. (You should have, by this time, if you're reading all the posts here.) Well the limitations of your mind are showing Judy. Read it a few more times. There is a deeper truth illustrated in that post that may be of value to you. Look, buddy, you were trying to score a point, and in your eagerness to do so, you either screwed up badly or tried to pull a fast one. If you can't bring yourself to cop to either, fine, that tells me all I need to know about you. (If anybody is reading this and doesn't know what I'm referring to, I'll be happy to document it.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Amazing Multipe Connotations of Words to Different Listeners
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippety None of your slurs seem to fit. (And I do wonder why you appear to pump out as many ad homenun attacks against people who disagree with you as actual discussion points.) Minor point -- the actual term is ad hominem -- Latin for to [or against] the man. Ad homenun perhaps connotes something more like against the domestic (or gay?) nun :-) How dare you call me gay! Even though there's nothing wrong with being gay or anything. What is the context of these ad homo minimum attacks? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] W-e-l-c-o-m-e-S-a-t-Y-u-g
I'll welcome in Sat Yuga with my program and a puja. But If I start yelling Welcome Sat yuga everytime I do the flying sutra I'm going to have a massive headache. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .++. ...... ...++... +... +... +... +... +...+...+... +... +... ...+++.. -W-e-l-c-o-m-e-S-a-t-Y-u-g- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. The TMO has always practiced massive revisionist history writing. Much like Stalin did. Cults are really not that different from one another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took me many years, but I finally got to the point where I didn't try to intellectualize all my experiences and just accepted them for what they were. If you truly see the Divine even in dogshit on your shoe, then that is your experience. When I see dogshit on my shoe, I crinkle my nose and try to clean it off ASAP. You obviously have some evolving to do, Cliff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's totally depressing, FMPOV. Much more interesting are the Smart Shops around the city where all sorts of interesting pizza toppings can be purchased. Serious spiritual journeys can come from those, but I cannot imagine anything other than depression resulting from even a brief walk through the Red Light District. It really depends on what you believe you can see God in, doesn't it? If you believe that some things are holier than others, and He/She/It dwells more in those things than in others, well, you've kinda limited your ability to see God, haven't you? I seriously doubt that He/She/It is so limited. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/14/05 11:09 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I happen to know that MMy has turned to an Independent TM-Teacher to offer a position in the World Government. Not to teach TM. It seems that it must be too few foot-soldiers among the re-certificated TM- Teachers, if he has to use Independent TM-Teachers. Maybe he's trying to woo him back so he won't be independent anymore. It is too late. The train has gone and MMY has lost his Charisma. Ingegerd But he can never lose THAT no matter how crazy or senile he gets. Always Blazin' Brahman Yee haaa! Ride 'em Krishna! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from the Field
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/14/05 7:34 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don¹t know who the ³Bob² is who wrote this: Can't believe intelligent adults are still drinking this kool-aid. I used to write this childish PR, almost word for word, to friends in the field when I was on CEG here 25 yrs ago. Only a new seed can yield a new crop. When in doubt, punt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scientists predict brave new world of brain pills...'
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But a new report by leading scientists in the fields of psychology and neuroscience argues that, very soon, there really will be a pill for every ill. What a load of naive shite. Go back to playschool scientists, your other pills haven't worked yet. Only made things worse for millions. Bunch a' morons. And we've got a pill for that too. Off! ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,1528069,00.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bird Flu is serious
Looks like Kali is about to hit the dance floor. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend sent me this and I am forwarding it on. --- I saw a worrisome piece on Nightline Monday night. It was about the Bird Flu and here are the key points: Outbreaks have surfaced now in several countries including Thailand, the Phlilpeans, and Japan. Expert scientists in this field are no longer saying that a Bird Flu pandemic is possible. They are now saying it's probable. It has transmitted to humans and it has been fatal in 55% of cases where it has been diagnosed. Like the Flu pandemic of 1918 the highest fatality rates are in the 15 - 35 year old age group. It's not primarily the very old or very young that are most vulnerable. Unlike the Asian Flu pandemic in 1918, the human species has no prior exposure to this type of virus. No one has antibodies. There's been no biological opportunity to develop immunities. People didn't fly in jets around the world in 1918, yet that pandemic circled the world 3 times before running it's course. There are no vaccines or even treatment therapies in existance today. Among these expert scientists it's believed that if an outbreak were to happen this year that 60 million in the US would likey die, and likely 1.2 billion world wide. The virus is mutating rapidly. There's no way to know when it might break out. Migrating geese can carry this virus. It could quickly spread worldwide. Assuming one had a vaccine, there has never been more than 300 million doses of any vaccine produced in a year (barely enough to cover the population of the US) What would foreign relations look like if only the US and a few other wealthy countries could protect their citizens. How would the rest of the world feel to loose 20 - 25% of their citizens, and what would that world look like? Developing and producing a vaccine with current technology relies on hen eggs. This is problematical becuase this virus kills 100% of the chickens it infests. If there are any answers, they weren't presented in this program. The only hope presented was that enough time goes by so that there is opportunity to develop counter measures. If an outbreak took place this Fall there is really nothing that modern medical technology could do. I want to verify this story, but the information presented was quite specific and factual. I would have to believe that Nightline would use reasonable journalistic standards and fact checking especially when the content could not be seen as anything but highly alarming. I've been inspired by your aggressive role in getting important information into the light of day. As it stands now, I'm at least a thousand times more concerned about this than I am about any threat from Al Queda. I want to think of ways to get this on the front burner of national awareness. Only then can we hope that the needed massive resources will be deployed toward effective counter measures. I had no idea of how serious this is. Yours, Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:Kaplan Divorce
So make sure you don't do it! --- Camille Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever said money = happiness definately didn't have any sense... Sad to hear this. Suing and lawyers etc.- what a waste of the small and precious time we have here on earth... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
--- tomandcindytraynor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB writes: Dr. Pete, I've been wondering about this while away for the weekend. I looked up 'apperception' in the dictionary ( yes, I had to :-), and I find myself unsure of the distinction you're making here. Can you clarify for me the difference you see between 'perception' and 'apperception' and why you feel one is more appropriate here? Thanks. Peter Sutphen writes: No problem, Unc. Your comments and arguments are always well-intentioned. I like apperception better because perception implies a perceiver and a perceived. In my experience in this realm of pure consciousness, there is no perceiver. Perception, of course, occurs, but there is no individual perceiving. You can't say, I am perceiving pure consciousness. Consciousness is simply awake to itself. The term apperception seems to capture this better than perception. Tom T writes: From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para: ...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality. When you really come to the understanding that the seeker is the sought, there is a natural giving-up of all energy to find something. It is an instantaneous apperception. I don't say perception, because in perception there is a perceiver and something perceived. An apperception is an instantaneous perceiving of what is perceiving. So it can never be in relation of subject-object, just as an eye can never see its own seeing. ...you will find a glimpse of non-subject-object relationship. This glimpse is seen with your whole intelligence, which is there in the absence of the person, the thinker, the doer. Understanding, being the understanding, is enlightenment. Tom T Jean and I just have to stop channeling one another. It's getting very confusing! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From: Vajranatha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I like the posters so I find myself being nice. --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're so diplomatic, Peter... :-) I might have been a bit less reserved in my description of how utterly boring I find rehashing conversations that were mostly utterly boring when they first occured. Sort of like chewing on 3-year old, previously well-masticated chapattis... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. I know this battle is important to you guys from a.m.t., but many of us here really don't care, sorry! Your posts on other topic are interesting, but this he said she said stuff gets tedious to anyone not involved in it. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:14 PM, authfriend wrote: Much of the time on alt.m.t, you have been unwilling to answer questions when they're asked, Vaj. When it becomes obvious that no one is actually interested in discussing something but instead looking for an argument, it's extremely unlikely I would bother responding. That is NOT an honest description of discussions on alt.m.t in which you have been involved. According to you...consider the source... The evidence is on the record. Anyone who's interested can have a look at one of the first, if not *the* first, discussions in which Vaj was involved on alt.m.t (this time around, at least--he did pay a brief earlier visit back in 1997). The thread, which he initiated, is titled Samyama does not lead to Cosmic Consciousness, and it can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/b5yyq See if you think it conforms to Vaj's description. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:Kaplan Divorce
You bastard! I thought of it first. I'm going to sue you! --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm suing everyone here ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So make sure you don't do it! --- Camille Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever said money = happiness definately didn't have any sense... Sad to hear this. Suing and lawyers etc.- what a waste of the small and precious time we have here on earth... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] (was Re: The Inevitability of George W. Bush) Rove's next trick
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say what you will about the accomplices secretly running the show: Bush himself is the president. He is no dupe. A slobbering cretin nearly incapable of forming a coherent thought, or of operating a bicycle on a hill without running over a policeman; a feckless, soulless meta-bureaucrat with the attention span of a hydroencephalitic flea preoccupied with revenge, machismo, booze, and proving to his father he's not a latent homosexual: these things he indubitably is. But he's not a puppet merely. It is his magical ability to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory that will end America's unsuitable world domination. http://www.counterpunch.org/tripp07092005.html Now that Karl Rove is under pressure for his treasonous act, I predict that a widely publicized 'security incident' will occur within the week, in the USA- the FBI arresting a cab driver as a member of Al-Qaeda or something. 10...9...8...7... Notice that the White House is silent about this so far. Trying to find a spin to make it okay. It's not. Mr. Rove is f-cked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From: Vajranatha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H. I know this battle is important to you guys from a.m.t., but many of us here really don't care, sorry! Your posts on other topic are interesting, but this he said she said stuff gets tedious to anyone not involved in it. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:14 PM, authfriend wrote: Much of the time on alt.m.t, you have been unwilling to answer questions when they're asked, Vaj. When it becomes obvious that no one is actually interested in discussing something but instead looking for an argument, it's extremely unlikely I would bother responding. That is NOT an honest description of discussions on alt.m.t in which you have been involved. According to you...consider the source... The evidence is on the record. Anyone who's interested can have a look at one of the first, if not *the* first, discussions in which Vaj was involved on alt.m.t (this time around, at least--he did pay a brief earlier visit back in 1997). The thread, which he initiated, is titled Samyama does not lead to Cosmic Consciousness, and it can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/b5yyq See if you think it conforms to Vaj's description. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: placebo effects
--- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most powerful elements of any effective treatment whether psychiatric or medical is HOPE.The instillation of hope will frequently evoke the placebo response.The latter is a real psycho-physiological phenomenon(a good non-technical book on the subject is Remembered Wellness by Herbet Benson).There is no doubt that much of the reason why medications work(as well as psychotherapy) is due to the placebo effect.So it is likely that both scientology, which frankly is in many respects a form of psychotherapy,and medication help a significant # of people because it gives them hope which then leads to changes in behavior and mood.These changes might also result in changes in brain chemistry. The placebo effect has been shown repeatedly to potentially exert profound effects on physiology.As to whether there is any therapeutic (vs placebo)effect for medications my clinical expereince is that there is for a subset of depressed patients especially individuals who have major depressive disorder.Kevin Kirsch requested the complete files on the six most widely prescribed antidepressants approved between 1987 and 1999: Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor, Serzone, and Celexa drugs that together had $8.3 billion in worldwide sales in 2002. Within a month, he had an even less drug-friendly story than the one told in the journals. In The Emperor's New Drugs, published in the July 2002 issue of the American Psychological Association's Prevention Treatment, Kirsch's team presented their findings: Of the 47 trials conducted for the six drugs, only 20 of them showed any measurable advantage of drugs over placebos, a much lower number than turns up in published research. This was not entirely unexpected publication bias has long been known to be a problem in assessing the effectiveness of drugs and Kirsch is quick to point out that even these meager numbers leave no doubt that there is a difference between drug and placebo. But I was surprised at how small the difference was in clinical terms. The studies all used the same measure the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, the nearly universal way clinicians assess a patient's level of depression so it was easy to see how much clinical improvement there really was. And there really wasn't much at all: The average patient on drugs improved by about 10 points on the 52-point Hamilton, while a placebo patient improved by a little more than eight. A two-point difference on the Hamilton it's just clinically meaningless. Trivial, Kirsch says. You can get that from having an improvement in sleep patterns, and if one of the side effects of the drugs is to induce drowsiness, the whole difference could be right there. (Indeed, critics say the Hamilton is skewed toward physical symptoms of depression, those most likely to be affected by medication.) Full article: http://astrocyte-design.com/pseudoscience/mother_jones.html Yes, this is all true, but then when you work with suicidal patients and ones that can barely move themselves out of bed becasue of the depth of their depression and you see what the SSRI's can do for these people, you won't be so cavalier in your dismissal of these drugs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Accepted medical practices that are all the buzz
Nowadays the former hysteric would be called anxious. Hysteria was a name given to people who were easily overwhelmed with anxiety due to poor emotional coping skills and did not authentically experience their emotions. It is still used to today among clinicians when discussing patients. It describes a personality type very effectively. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned not long ago another common malaise-du- jour that was definitely in fashion and labeled by the medical profession as a disease. The name of the disease was hysteria. The accepted treat- ment for this disease, seemingly as common in its day as depression is today, involved a scientific invention that has since gained enormous popularity, and is still used on a daily basis to treat the same disease. However the disease is no longer called hysteria, nor is it still considered a disease. Slate has an article on the subject at: http://www.slate.com/id/2121835/ Click the here link in the last sentence to see a slide show on this historical method of treatment and its modern counterpart. It's only tangentially related to the issue of antidepressants, but given all the talk of Mike Love and the Beach Boys today, I thought the link would add to overall total of good vibrations on the group... :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
