[FairfieldLife] The Police

2014-12-10 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We saw them live at the ATT Center in San Antonio, Ghosts in the Machine
Tour November 21, 2007.



*Live at the ATT Center, San Antonio, 2007*

Another favorite of mine from the Ghost in the Machine album, 1981 -
Spirits in the Material World. These two songs are what I call ear
hummers - once you hear them, they keep humming in your ears for days!

*Their 1983 album, Synchronicity, was number one on both the UK Albums
Chart and the US Billboard 200, and sold over 8 million copies in the US.
The Police have won six Grammy Awards, two Brit Awards (winning Best
British Group once), an MTV Video Music Award, and in 2003 were inducted
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.*

The Police are Sting - lead vocals, bass; Andy Summers - guitar; and
Stewart Copeland - drums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Police

Roxanne - one of my favorites which was banned by the BBC. Go figure.

The Police - Roxanne
http://youtu.be/3T1c7GkzRQQ


Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey, Did Anyone Wish the Lurking Reporter, Happy Thanksgiving?

2014-11-27 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Gobble.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Happy Thanksgiving LR!

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Experimenters to put digitize worm brains

2014-11-27 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
So, I'm just imagining that I'm self-conscious and that I perceive a
constructed character of knowing and see other things and events that
others see at the same time that I see and experience them. Just because we
all see doors and tables at the same time and experience events in time and
space and can communicate with each other and discuss them, there's no
proof that these things actually exist except as a mass illusion in our
minds. I don't have free will and nobody else has free will - I am being
controlled by bio-chemical software that tells me what to do at any given
moment.

There's no inner controller and nothing to write home about anyway. Go
figure.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.neted
[FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Experimenters are digitizing worm brains using them in robots. Maybe
 they're learn that most insects are essentially robots or just organic
 machines. Then they'll learn that most humans are robots and just
 organic machines. And probably that consciousness is just an illusion. :-D


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2851663/Are-brink-creating-artificial-life-Scientists-digitise-brain-WORM-place-inside-robot.html
  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies

2014-11-27 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of messages - a
double-edged sword. Anyone that has been posting as long as Barry (since
1994) has been posting should know better. Anything can be taken out of
context so it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve
off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really dumb of Barry -
in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on newsgroups
since I started in 1999. If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him
on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire
group and until he does I'd limit his participation.

This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he
 doesn't harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta
 call the cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies  to: *I felt
 myself drawn into it and through it into other realities.  The Turq is
 coherent indeed :-)*


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 *My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. *

 
 *HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to
 tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down
 onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned
 gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself
 drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning,
 floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. -
 *Uncle Tantra


 http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm

  



[FairfieldLife] The Outdoors Lightroom

2014-10-11 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Want to capture the sky on a clear winter night? Try these tips for
serious photographers.*



*Night Sky by Brian Peterson*

*How to photograph the night sky:*
*http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/237332541.html*
http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/237332541.html


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:08 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:






 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I think what you are saying is that there phenomena that we may have
 considered to be impossible, until they are demonstrated, and supported by
 heretofore unknown laws of physics.

 It would depend on whether the new laws are in contradiction of the old.
 Especially in the case of metabolism and energy transfer. These things are
 well understood and the idea that it's possible to circumvent them with a
 hitherto unknown gland in the brain that produces a nectar that fulfills
 all our dietary requirements including water and without any energy input
 in itself is miraculous. And I mean it, a miracle is when the laws of
 nature are broken. This would be as good as any other law being broken
 including levitation or invisibility.

 Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm
 going to put my money.

 There are many examples, and could one day explain human levitation if it
 is demonstrated.

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or
 contrary about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn
 from the sort of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a
 day-to-day occurrence and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has
 anything else anyone has ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what
 are we to make of that?

 If I am not mistaken there are many demonstrations of water flowing
 uphill, in accordance with the laws of physics.  So, if you are asking for
 an example, you have one.

 Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI
  [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI
   Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI
 Helium becomes superfluid and displays amazing properties. To address all
 the comments about helium running out: Most helium on earth is the result
 of r...
   View on www.youtube.com  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI
  Preview by Yahoo



 As far the breatharian, you simply dismiss it has hogwash, and that
 because it didn't cause a global sensation, it must be a fraud. Or that you
 didn't like a paragraph in the possible explanation.


 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This
 guy in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know
 why people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the
 sort of thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be
 impressed by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people
 I suppose, it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming
 rather sceptical these days.


 I suppose you could say that for any result that you don't like.  It
 didn't pass my threshold for credibility.  The study was corrupted


 A corrupt study is always a possibility, conversely we shouldn't accept
 potentially corrupt information just because the claimed result gives
 succour to our cherished beliefs, not if we are interested in truth anyway.


 Having a threshold of credibility is a good plan, it means you have a
 handy way of weeding out the bullshit at the start but it shouldn't be so
 rigid that you become blinkered. What you need is a good working knowledge
 about something before you consider contrary evidence. We can always be
 wrong but the discovery of a chakra - whatever that means- in the brain
 that creates nectar of this usefulness (or at all) would be a major
 discovery. Let's hope for the diet industry's sake if no one elses that
 this guy has broken the laws of conservation of energy, as well as a few
 others.


 I'll bet good money that he hasn't though...


So, how much would you be willing to wager on Barry's levitation witness
claim?




 Personally, I don't care if the guy can survive without food or not.  It
 appeared to me to be a vetted result. Perhaps I am mistaken.


 Btw, look at what people in general are fascinated by.  It really isn't
 something like this.  It's more about what is the latest instagram photo
 posted by KK.


 People in general may like KK but she isn't defying the laws of nature,
 even though her arse appears to be stretching them sometimes.


 Go figure.



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I am wondering if this will generate any comments from the no such thing
 as woo woo contingent here.

 Of course it will.

 I happened to also be thinking about all the weird phenomenon that exists,
 all according the laws of physic, albeit, laws not typically seen.

 I think it was Ann who post the video showing some of that weird
 phenomena.

 So, why not human levitation?  You may say it defies the laws of physics,
 but so would most of that weird phenomena, at least apparantly.

 Nothing in that video showed a breach of the laws 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: look up look down

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Share:
 Richard, I reply from email rather than from website.
 In email it's impossible to cut and paste.

Yahoo Mail is not suitable for seriously replying to Yahoo discussion
groups. First, get a free Google Mail. In Google Mail, click on Create an
Account.

http://tinyurl.com/nel3mne

In Yahoo, go to the Group and click on Membership, then select Identity.
Key in the free Google Mail address and then click on Save.




On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I reply from email rather than from website. In email it's
 impossible to cut and paste.


   On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36 PM, pundits...@gmail.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



  Share:

  Richard, are you referring to your unsnipped reply in the Holy Man
 thread?!
 
 What you have to do is copy the specific text you want to reply to, then
 click on Reply and paste in 'tthe text you copied. Do not click on Show
 message history. That way, Neo users don't have to scroll down past the
 video nine times to get to the post they want to read. It's easier to
 follow the conversation that way.

 Like this.






Re: [FairfieldLife] look up look down

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, are you referring to your unsnipped reply in the Holy Man thread?!


Not all replies need to be snipped - just the ones that have redundant
videos .



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?

2014-09-21 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason
 for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would
 the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work
 that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig
 harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers.
 Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire).


On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if
 a lot of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire
 occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really
 imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight
 at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way.


*It not difficult to see this thread as just another excuse for the
informants to abuse women. Everyone knows this whole thread is meant to
offend Ann and Share. Some informants will use any tragic incident if they
think it will help them win a religious debate. Where is Judy when we need
her?*
**




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of
 rented chairs were burned up.  Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of
 the chairs how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are
 used and old.must be a lower price than new   like that.  Never
 told about the fire.

 To me, that kind of normal business deceit stuck in my craw -- even back
 then as a true believer.

 Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the
 present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Stripping the Gurus

2014-09-20 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post redundant messages,
Barry. Think.*

Vaj Mon, 11 April 2005 Stripping the Gurus

http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg03870.html



On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Stripping the Gurus The Sixth Beatle
 http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html







 Stripping the Gurus The Sixth Beatle
 http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html
 CHAPTER VIII THE SIXTH BEATLE (MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI)
 View on www.strippingthegurus.com
 http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html
 Preview by Yahoo



 I stumbled across this while doing a Google search for a completely
 different  teacher (see list on home page below), and figured some here
 would be interested. I haven't bothered to read much of it, but I do take
 it as a sign that all is balanced with the universe -- for every True
 Believing Nablus in the world, there is probably someone like this waiting
 to write a tell-all book about the person they believe in.  :-)


 Stripping the Gurus http://www.strippingthegurus.com/



 [image: image] http://www.strippingthegurus.com/





 Stripping the Gurus http://www.strippingthegurus.com/
 Stripping the Gurus: Sex, Violence, Abuse and Enlightenment* by Geoffrey
 D. Falk German version (abridged) of Stripping the Gurus is now available!
 Gurus: Zwischen...
 View on www.strippingthegu... http://www.strippingthegurus.com/
 Preview by Yahoo


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Cultish, Cultish.

2014-09-20 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
It must be a slow news day - almost all of these MMY stories today have
already been posted on FFL.

YOU WILL NEVER BAKE BREAD ON THE MUM CAMPUS AGAIN!

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 When you read this you can hardly believe Nader et al would have the
 temerity to say this kind of crap in public, but then read the very last
 line to see what an elitist jack ass Marshy was.

 'King of the world' preaches peace through 'yogic flying'Lebanese-born
 meditator has solution to region's conflicts ­ 'We only need $1 billion'

 The Daily Star/November 11, 2002
 By Hannah Wettig
 Don't negotiate, meditate. This is the message Tony Nader tried to bring
 to French-speaking heads of state during the recent Francophone summit.

 Lebanese-born Nader is a head of state as well ­ and his authority is
 worldwide. He is the king of the Global Country of World Peace ­ a
 brainchild of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Indian guru some may recall from
 the 60s when the Beatles meditated to his instructions.

 Now about 90 years old, the Maharishi founded the Global Country and made
 Nader its king two years ago. The Maharishi knows how to bring world peace.
 All it needs is some Transcendental Meditation (TM). Currently, 40
 ministers, ambassadors and, of course, the king are working hard to
 implement this peace plan.

 The king recently returned to his home in Beirut to explain it all to some
 government heads.
 His Majesty Raja Nader Raam ­ as Nader's followers call him ­ resides at
 his parents' house in Rabieh during his mission in Lebanon. The vast salon
 overlooking the sea is incredibly white: the sofas, the side tables, the
 curtains, even the Yamaha grand piano.

 A German scientist and the Global Country's ambassador to France have
 accompanied Nader. The men, here to explain how world peace works, all
 appear in well-cut white suits.

 It's no uniform, we just like it, the king remarks, adding: Peace is
 connected to light. Their plan for peace goes like this. The square root
 of 1 percent of the population of a country has to practice yogic flying,
 a meditation exercise that is supposed to elevate its practitioner into the
 air ­ without using any muscles, maintains Nader.

 Once the flyers are elevated they send out some kind of positive
 vibrations, which influence their environment. Hence, the population as a
 whole becomes more peaceful, more intelligent, healthier.

 In Lebanon it takes only 200 people, says Nader. Maybe a bit more. We
 need a safety factor because of the close neighbors and conflicts in the
 region.

 As Lebanon is a stronghold of TM in the Arab world, with four Meditation
 Centers and, according to the Lebanese TM teacher Samar Sahyoun, several
 hundred followers, this shouldn't be too difficult.

 There still remains a small obstacle, though. To reach the so-called
 Maharishi effect, the yogic flyers have to practice in the same place. If
 they are not in one room, it takes many more meditators, Nader explains.
 Therefore leaders of the Global Country need to first build Peace Palaces ­
 houses with huge rooms where the yogic flyers can take off together.

 They are hoping for government funding for this project.

 We only need $1 billion, says Nader. That's nothing compared to what
 missiles cost.

 National leaders have been very interested in this idea, stresses the
 Ambassador to France Dominique Lemoine.

 When asked what exactly the outcome of negotiations with governments were,
 the gentlemen turn taciturn.

 We wrote some letters, we also approached the Lebanese government several
 times, says Nader, explaining why their request is so urgent.

 After Sept. 11 we have unexpected violence, like in Sweden or Bali. Peace
 is not anymore in the hands of the government, he says. In Egypt, Turkey,
 Iran and Israel they need to increase the number (of meditators) now.

 Of course all this has been proven scientifically, in more than 600
 studies, says Nader. On this he is an expert. He was made the Global
 Country's king because he developed the scientific theory to accompany the
 Maharishi's preachings.

 Nader, who says he is a trained physician with degrees from the American
 University of Beirut and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, talks
 about gravity, modern science, physics and psychology. It all connects,
 he says. We say there is order in the universe.

 This order is also called laws of nature. And with these laws all
 actions can be predicted. But of course you can't know all of the laws,
 Nader says.

 The question is, where do all the laws come from? he asks. You shrug
 your shoulders. His theory is based on common knowledge of simplified
 physics. Everything is made of energy ­ atoms, the human body, the
 universe. It all has the same structure, says Nader. He calls this the
 unified field, which is the home of the laws of nature.

 The solution to the world's problems lies 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 For me, sitting with eyes closed is too much an indulgence in some way,
 too self centered. Take the awareness out there and take a chance, even if
 it means you fall on your face or crash through the sliding glass door.
 Propping oneself on one's derriere for hours at a time thinking about
 nothing is just not what this body was really created for, IMHO.


*Without even realizing it, Curtis seems to be meditating longer each day
than just about anyone on this list - on his music and his instruments.
Music is a mantra and an instrument is a yoga. Music is the path to
liberation. Every time Curtis picks up his guitar and hums - he is
meditating.*

*And, maybe without either of you realizing it, your environment, urban or
rural, is the Plain of Kurekshetra - a battleground where the gunas born of
nature find their balance. Life is a metaphor.*

*So, come on guys - we're only talking about the TM twenty minutes twice a
day! Go figure.*




  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Seeking

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:




 When you think about it
 isn't all spiritual seeking
 a lot like those bumper stickers
 that start
 I'd rather be...


*So, you don't have all the answers.*



 Wherever they'd rather be
 whatever they'd rather be
 driving or sailing or doing or being
 it isn't here
 and it isn't now


*By they you must mean other souls, but do they have a soul separate
from your soul? Or, are they part of your soul which is part of the one
over-soul? They must be somebody, or are you projecting that they are not
your own self?*

*So, many questions, Barry - so few answers. *


 Whereas what they're really seeking
 is

 :-)


*So, what you are really seeking is the answer to a riddle: we are born, we
all live and die, and are reborn again. The question is: WHY? Why would
anyone have to repeat endlessly a life full of suffering? Or, as Sam Harris
puts it: karma is the motive force driving the material world of the senses
in an endless cycle.*

*This leads to other questions like: What is the purpose of life and does
life have any meaning? Other than the brief pleasure of the possession and
smooth things.  *

*Or, what is the mystery of consciousness?*

*Why do people have to die? Where do we all go when we die? Do we have a
soul or a Spirit that does not die when the body dies? *

*And, do we go anywhere - maybe our self is just annihilated upon death,
never to exist again. Or, what if the soul or spirit lives on in another
dimension or in a parallel universe which is eternal?*

**






  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 *When you agree to meet up for a drink and the person you are meeting
 doesn't look anything like their profile picture, then THEY have to pay for
 the drink.* - Michael Strahan


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:


 Sir Pudit,

 Your generous offer to buy the drinks is humbly accepted. I do appreciate
 your Kindness.


*Thanks, but you forgot to post a photo of your face, so you owe me and
Rita one drink each when we get to NYC.*



 I can drink a lot.


 But I'm fun to drink with.

 Even a couple of women think so. But they're rare.

 



Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
  The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of
 self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our
 sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it
 still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still
 young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of
 deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and
 thought provoking.


On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 I wound up feeling that Sam has his own optical blind spot about self. I
 get the feeling that he is FAR more influenced by the dogma that was
 presented to him in his early Advaitan and Dogzchen training than he lets
 on, and that he personally feels *very* strongly that the feeling of
 'having a self' is *lesser* than the feeling of 'not having a self.' Me, I
 see them both as feelings, with no hierarchy in sight. I think that one of
 the disservices he may be doing to meditation newbies is to instill in them
 a feeling that they're not doing meditation right unless they have this
 mystical feeling of 'no-self' that he places on such a pedestal. I don't
 see it that way.


*Apparently Barry doesn't realize that he just posted an argument for
subjective idealism. T**he mystical feeling of having a self is the woo
woo described by Sam Harris. **Go figure*

*Another word for self is spirit - that's where the phrase spiritual
life originated: the notion that humans have an eternal spirit or self
that is a separate soul-monad that never dies and is reborn.*

*The dogma is that we are a separate self and an eternal spirit-soul. *

*The purpose of mindfulness is to demonstrate through experience that there
is no underlying permanent entity called theself. You are just a bundle
of material impressions with a consciousness of your own existence, or not.*
**

 Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions
 about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I
 like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less
 enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone
 through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass
 of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure.

 Love this! I've missed your colorful worldly spiritual

 It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of
 generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your
 mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be
 altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the
 implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't
 intellectually cut it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of
 Dungeons and Dragons role play games. Sam's description of being caught up
 in and identified with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the
 illusion of the self as freedom seems unwarranted to me.

 And to me. The most egregious thing about the book from my point of view
 is that he seems to be making a STRONG case for believing/experiencing that
 one 'has no self,' but he never presents any *benefits* of either believing
 or experiencing that. I come away not convinced he's ever achieved an
 experiential 'no-self' state for more than a few moments himself. I think
 he's passing along former teachers' feelings about this supposed state
 rather than his own experience with it.


Only when the woo woo is removed will you realize the all-pervasive oneness
of everything - we are connected,just like Indra's Net. The idea that you
are a separate self is just an illusion not supported by either logic or
reason. If you had a self you could see it and describe it to us. The
dogma is that you were indoctrinated nto believing in a separate
soul-monad. Remove the woo woo and you realize that karma connects us all.


 Completely agree about the suffering thang, BTW. It bugs me about
 Buddhism, and it bugs me about Sam's Neo-Buddhism. The experience of having
 a subjective self is *NOT* the same as suffering in my book, and I chafe
 when I hear someone talk as if it is.


*It bugs you because of your basic misunderstanding of Buddhism. It is not
about YOU, Barry, or YOUR suffering or not - it's about suffering anywhere
at any time for anyone. It's all about your level of compassion. *

*No matter how good you feel about your self and your material wealth -
there are untold millions of souls out there suffering at this very moment.
You can relish your own happiness and enjoy your good karma today, but so
long as anyone is suffering, only the selfish will remain in a state of
ignorance and fail to realize the laws of karma.*
**


 It reminds me of Maharishi's condescending letter to the peaceless and
 suffering humanity in its presumptions. They both should just speak for
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]



 *When you agree to meet up for a drink and the person you are meeting
 doesn't look anything like their profile picture, then THEY have to pay for
 the drink.* - Michael Strahan

 
 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  wrote:
 

 Sir Pudit,

 Your generous offer to buy the drinks is humbly accepted. I do appreciate
 your Kindness.

 
 *Thanks, but you forgot to post a photo of your face, so you owe me and
 Rita one drink each when we get to NYC.*

 
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:



 OK.

 I don't post photos. I hope Rita is one of those rare women who find me
 fun to drink with.

 
*You sound like a fun guy to have a drink with and so Rita might also find
you fun - one drink probably won't cause any harm. **According to what I've
read, you're quite a Dandy Dan, so I'll be keeping an eye on you though -
better bring your missus along.*

*So, I don't post photos of Rita for obvious reasons, but I can tell you
that she is so gorgeous that most men beg her to dance with them at the
Cowboy Dance Hall, and then - request a selfie with her too. Go figure.*




 See you then.

 Cheers,
 Marky Marko


 I can drink a lot.


 But I'm fun to drink with.

 Even a couple of women think so. But they're rare.


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion.
-Democritus*

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:3x5 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 http://i.imgur.com/rzwt7OB.jpg

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] The Weekly Fairfieldlife Posting Sprint Race

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM, dhamiltony wrote:



 Om, it should be really impressive if the front runners actually posted
 on spiritual topic
 related to FFL.-Buck


*Om, I've been trying to strike up a conversation with Buck for at least
six years on FFL. He doesn't seem to big on dialog and exchanging
information. He was supposed to read the messages BEFORE he starts a new
topic. Go figure.*

MMY's Tantra
MMY's Mantras
MMY's Atman
MMY's Tantra
MMY's Seven States
MMY's Buddha
MMY's OM
MMy's Karma
TM in the Tantras
Kalachakra Tantra
According to the Sage Kapila
My Guru, the Lama
The Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
Stay on the Path
Our Spiritual Tradition
All About Shankara
All About Sadhus and Yogis
All About Mantra and Japa
Go Out and Radiate
MUM and the Tree of Knowledge
Naked They Pray
Bija Mantras
More About Badrinath
The Way to Wisdom


[FairfieldLife] Dream

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/Vo8jvPCyJQo


Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo: ShShRSh!

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Sri Sri Ravi Shankar*


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:24 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gee or Yeah?

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:57 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 The original Hebraic name of Jesus is yehoshua (~yeah-haw-shoe-ah*;
 Aramaic: yeshua).
 We think in most European countries, the spelling of his name is based on
 the Latin
 Iesus/Jesus. In Latin the phonetic value of I- / J- corresponds to that of
 the English
 y, as in yes.

 We believe, during King James, even the English pronunciation of J was
 like the
 Latin I/J.

 I wonder if Jesus would be less popular in the US of A, were his name
 pronounced
 in accordance with the Latin,  yeah-soos. IMO, that sounds quite a lot
 wussier than
 Jesus!


Jesus is a very popular given name among Hispanic Christians in Mexico
and in the Us of A., where it is spelled with an accented 'u' and
pronounced hey sous. In Mexico and in Texas, persons with that name are
often called by the nickname Chuy , pronounced Chewy.



 * Mostly, the accent in Hebrew is on the last syllable. That word is, we
 think, a so
 called segolate noun, whose accent is on the syllaba paenultima!
  



Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Over that time they got used to seeing things around them that would sent
 had them running for the exits if they'd been allowed to see them during
 their first months with TM, but by the time they *did* get to see them
 they'd been trained to consider these things normal.


*What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting*
*in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in*
*the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for *
*a while. *

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Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 L:
 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...

 M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective
 experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind
 the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same
 fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the
 umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was
 studied by other people who took completely different paths to their
 practice?


According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on
the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of
mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view.

In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice
of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is.
This just sitting IS enlightenment.



 I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness
 without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice.

 I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could
 discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I
 couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking
 I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was
 different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these
 distinctions.

 I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular
 types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I
 am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and
 mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I
 agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states.

 But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as
 a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same
 confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories.
 I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist
 bias. Time will tell.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network
 of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and
 sense-of-self.

 In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the
 nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with
 relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past.

 TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances
 the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self.

 Which is better?

 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...


 L


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 My experience has been that  I don't exist.  It just seems that I go
 through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at
 all.  Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually
 especially if some people have had few experiences even of  transcending.
 It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not
 spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his
 writings about false enlightenment.  Just do some grounding things and if
 the experience remains it isn't spaciness.

 On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every
 moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it
 actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be
 understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person
 can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it
 to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most
 painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think,
 the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were
 discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even
 the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what
 it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent
 delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need
 whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile.

 -


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Nisargadatta died of throat cancer in 1981, probably still believing that
 he was neither a phenomenon nor subject to any phenomena.

 You seem to like the fact that he can talk the talk of having no self.
 But the person who talked like that clearly had enough of a self to die
 when its body did. I guess I'm suggesting that I see no reason to believe
 that the stuff he wrote about what he believed about himself (or his lack
 of one) is to be paid attention to. It's just talk.



It sort of looks like Barry got confused - he just claimed to have read the
new book by Sam Harris - and he still does not understand the no-self
doctrine. Amazing!

...the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the
self-view. - Sam Harris








   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 So what will the BBC do when Scotland frees itself from being a British
 slave?


*The question should be: What will Scotland do when the welfare money stops
coming in from the UK?*


 Personally I am looking forward to the Yes camp coming through with a
 rousing win.


*Not to mention if Scotland votes for independence, there will no pounds
sterling in Scotland. They are already on the verge of being a failed state
economically. Go figure.*
**


 When they do, I am going to emigrate to Scotland (some of my ancestors are
 from there you know) and get the new Scottish government to hire me to lead
 the charge to ban the practice of TMSP, vastu homes and the sale of TM
 related nostrums.


*Ban TMSP - without even voting for or against it? I thinks that's illegal
in Scotland - the reason they are voting for independence is so they won't
have to put up with laws that don't get a single vote from the people. You
sound very confused. Go figure.*
**


 TM practice will be alright, and teaching TM will be allowed, but only if
 they teach it honestly by telling everyone upfront the mantras are the
 names and sounds of Hindu gods and goddesses, the practice itself is a form
 of Hindu devotional practice designed to curry favor with the Hindu gods
 and that no one has ever gotten enlightened through practice of TM.


*It's too bad Judy isn't around to refute this statement, again. Basic TM
practice has nothing to do with the names and sounds of Hindu gods and
goddesses. *


 The price to learn TM will be a flat 50 quid per person, 15 for kids.
 Advanced techniques will be free. Since there will be no more TMSP, the TM
 people can go back to the old residence course format, but the food has to
 be good, and there has to be a bit of Yorkshire puddin' of a Sunday.


*YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BAKE PUDDNG FOR THE TMO.*



   --
  *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:00 AM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :



 Is it true that you have to have a license to own a television in the UK?

 Kinda, you need a license to watch a BBC broadcast, the fee goes to pay
 for the programmes as there are no adverts - which is heavenly I can assure
 you.

 You also get their excellent and obsessively unbiased news and dedication
 to quality over mere audience share. When it's good it's so good I wonder
 why governments want to destroy it. Prolly so their best pal Rupert Murdoch
 can have a bigger slice of the pie and return the favour with biased
 reporting, just like in his tawdry newspapers that I refuse to buy on
 principle.

 He nearly got away with having a Fox news UK channel but his journalists
 were caught hacking the mobile phone of a murdered teenage girl (amongst a
 few thousand others) and most of his crap got closed down. He tries to make
 a comeback sometimes but everyone hates him now, not just lefties like me.
 His influence of politicians was such that I used to say I'll believe I'm
 living in a democracy when I can vote for the head of News International.
 All Thatchers fault, she changed the rules so that newspapers could be
 owned and therefore unduly influenced by a single proprietor, so now just
 about every one is owned by some right-wing nutbag.

 It's often said that the National Health Service is the closest thing the
 British have to a religion. I include the BBC in that, I like a bit of TV
 and I'd hate it all to go down the commercial toilet. The BBC makes the
 best documentaries as the need to hit a low common denominator is missing.
 They are still getting dumber for sure but it's still worth the effort for
 Horizon and BBC4.

 The flipside is that the BBC are a bunch of Nazi's when people haven't
 paid or even if they don't have a TV at all. They send people round to
 invite themselves into your home to check if you have one and send endless
 threatening letters if you claim you haven't!



   



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to
 settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself.


*So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The use
of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the
self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:*


   - Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in a
   chair.
   - Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a whole.
   - Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your
   thoughts.
   - Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration.



   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  L:
 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...

 M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective
 experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind
 the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same
 fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the
 umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was
 studied by other people who took completely different paths to their
 practice?

 
 According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration
 on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use
 of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view.

 In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice
 of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it
 is. This just sitting IS enlightenment.
 


 I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness
 without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice.

 I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could
 discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I
 couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking
 I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was
 different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these
 distinctions.

 I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular
 types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I
 am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and
 mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I
 agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states.

 But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as
 a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same
 confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories.
 I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist
 bias. Time will tell.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network
 of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and
 sense-of-self.

 In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the
 nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with
 relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past.

 TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances
 the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self.

 Which is better?

 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...


 L


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 My experience has been that  I don't exist.  It just seems that I go
 through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at
 all.  Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually
 especially if some people have had few experiences even of  transcending.
 It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not
 spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his
 writings about false enlightenment.  Just do some grounding things and if
 the experience remains it isn't spaciness.

 On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


 It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every
 moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it
 actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be
 understood

Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

But my experience with them is similar to what Harris said -- they taught
 *not* by providing techniques to allow you to sneak up on unbounded,
 selfless awareness by focusing on a mantra or the breath or any other
 object of meditation, but by providing the experience ITSELF.


*Most Tibetan teachers don't teach the advanced techniques to people that
are just attending a lecture or two and don't have the time or the
inclination to dedicate time to an in-depth practice relationship. They
will most likely give out instructions in basic mindfullness or
vipassana, a preliminary beginner's technique centered on observing the
breathing.*

*In advanced Mahamudra or Dzogchen, Tibetan teachers use vipassana
extensively when just getting started, but then they introduce the more
advanced techniques with a greater emphasis on meditation utilizing
symbolic images, mantras and visualizations. Additionally, in the Vjarayana
tantric form, the true nature of mind is pointed out by the guru - a direct
form of insight.*

*You probably won't get this advanced training and benefit from direct
transference if you are just a casual visitor, Barry.*

Work cited:

*The Practice of Tranquillity  Insight: A Guide to Tibetan Buddhist
Meditation *
by Khenchen Thrangu Rinpoche
Shambhala Publications: 1994.
pg 91-93




   



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of a
 lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts!


You may way too advanced for a simple breathing technique - that's for
beginners in order to calm the mind. It's just like when MMY told us to
feel the body as a whole.

You are already practicing the advanced techniques such as seeded
meditation using sounds In which the true nature of mind is pointed out by
the guru.

*So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you
meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be
peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some
special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your
body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it.* - Sogyal Rinpoche




   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it
 to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself.

 
 *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The
 use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the
 self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:*


- Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in
a chair.
- Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a
whole.
- Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your
thoughts.
- Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration.



   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  L:
 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...

 M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective
 experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind
 the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same
 fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the
 umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was
 studied by other people who took completely different paths to their
 practice?

 
 According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration
 on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use
 of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view.

 In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice
 of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it
 is. This just sitting IS enlightenment.
 


 I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness
 without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice.

 I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could
 discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I
 couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking
 I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was
 different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these
 distinctions.

 I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular
 types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I
 am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and
 mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I
 agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states.

 But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as
 a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same
 confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories.
 I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist
 bias. Time will tell.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network
 of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and
 sense-of-self.

 In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the
 nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with
 relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past.

 TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances
 the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self.

 Which is better

Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and
 useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go
 figure.


Buddhist vipassana is a practice for beginners given out as a preliminary
practice by Tibetan Lamas for novice use - stream enterers. The advanced
practices involve sounds such as mantras, images and visualizations. Seeded
meditation is a very common practice in Tibetan Vjarayana while Vipassana
is popular in Theravada countries. Sam Harris was trained in the Tibetan
tradition.

According to Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the *'Tibetan Book of the
Living and Dying',* there are certain methods and stages of meditation. In
the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you
can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'. Perfection (siddhis)
is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control
or conscious effort.




  On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams punditster@...
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:






 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelong60@...
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to
 settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself.

 
 *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The
 use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the
 self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:*


- Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in
a chair.
- Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a
whole.
- Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your
thoughts.
- Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration.



  On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams
 punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 L:
 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...

 M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective
 experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind
 the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same
 fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the
 umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was
 studied by other people who took completely different paths to their
 practice?

 
 According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration
 on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use
 of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view.

 In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice
 of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it
 is. This just sitting IS enlightenment.
 


 I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness
 without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice.

 I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could
 discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I
 couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking
 I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was
 different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these
 distinctions.

 I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular
 types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I
 am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and
 mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I
 agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states.

 But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as
 a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same
 confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories.
 I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist
 bias. Time will tell.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network
 of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and
 sense-of-self.

 In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the
 nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with
 relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past.

 TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances
 the brain circuits associated

Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I find following my breath excellent for settling my energy
 body outside of TMSP. It's like they say, Let's all just take a breath.
 But I don't try to slow my breath or deepen my breath. I simply follow it
 for 5 counts. Usually by #4, it's slower and deeper all by itself. And my
 energy field feels more settled too.


*There is a revealing Tibetan saying, Gompa ma yin, kompa yin,' which
means literally: Meditation' is not; 'getting used to' is.' It means that
meditation is nothing other than getting used to the practice of
meditation. As it is said, 'Meditation is not stnving, but naturally
becoming assimilated into it.' *




   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:46 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of
 a lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts!

 
 You may way too advanced for a simple breathing technique - that's for
 beginners in order to calm the mind. It's just like when MMY told us to
 feel the body as a whole.

 You are already practicing the advanced techniques such as seeded
 meditation using sounds In which the true nature of mind is pointed out by
 the guru.

 *So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you
 meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be
 peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some
 special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your
 body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it.* - Sogyal Rinpoche




   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it
 to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself.

 
 *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The
 use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the
 self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:*


- Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in
a chair.
- Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a
whole.
- Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your
thoughts.
- Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration.



   On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  L:
 Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who
 says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is
 full of it...

 M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective
 experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind
 the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same
 fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the
 umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was
 studied by other people who took completely different paths to their
 practice?

 
 According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration
 on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use
 of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view.

 In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice
 of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it
 is. This just sitting IS enlightenment.
 


 I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness
 without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice.

 I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could
 discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I
 couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking
 I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was
 different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these
 distinctions.

 I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular
 types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I
 am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and
 mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I
 agree that research will help us sort out

Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and
 useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go
 figure.


So far as I can tell the only crap that has been posted about meditation is
the denial by Barry that the purpose of vipassana or mindfulness is the
emphasis is on the the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the
impermanence of the self-view. Go figure.

My training includes TM; Tibetan Buddhism with three lamas; and a Zen
Master and a Sufi Master.



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of a
 lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts!

 Hardly.

 The simple fact is there are many different types of mindfulness, some are
 easier than others but none are difficult. You just have to find one that
 suits you, I do several types and some are even easier than TM because you
 don't even need to say a mantra. I have two favourites out of the ten in my
 book, they have known psychological advantages and are pleasant to do as
 well, leaving me refreshed and clear. TM, it has to be said, can often
 leave you feeling crap and with all the resting and unstressing seems like
 a lot of work sometimes but I still do it because I like the overall effect.

 There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and
 useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go
 figure.

 Isn't that fascinating? They're willing to say seemingly definitive things
 about a practice they have never learned, and in fact never even considered
 learning.


Anyone can learn mindfulness from reading a book, Barrry. It's not
complicated.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate



 But it's not so strange when you realize that Maharishi made a career out
 of doing exactly the same thing. He had ZERO experience with any of the
 competing techniques he brushed aside and described in a derogatory
 fashion. He didn't know *diddleysquat* about any of them, which became
 apparent whenever someone would actually call him on one of his putdowns
 and get in his face with real facts. In those situations Maharishi would
 back down and drop the subject, but then he'd be back spouting the same
 ignorant bullshit the next day.

 Clearly many of his students learned well from his example...spout
 ignorance often enough and loudly enough and the weakest minds in the group
 you're speaking to will not only believe it, they'll repeat it to others as
 if it were the Highest Truth.





   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Awareness

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Nisargadatta Maharaj:*

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Q: Is Awareness aware of itself?

 M: *No. Awareness, by ItSelf, does not know ItSelf. When consciousness
 appears, then the witnessing of the consciousness happens to Awareness. If
 consciousness is not, then Awareness does not know Awareness [that is, in
 its aspect as consciousness]. So consciousness is knowing, I am—it is
 like an announcement, I am. You go deep inside and before you know I
 am, you have the feeling I am. You know you are. When the sense I am
 subsides into nothingess, when there is no feeling of I am, that is pure
 Awareness.*

 *The Awareness has no Awareness about ItSelf. Consciousness, knowingness,
 I-am-ness, is a product of the objective food-body [annamayakosha], which
 is like an instrument with reference to Awareness. I am is like an
 announcement, and for this you need an instrument, the body. That principle
 which provides energy to say I am, etc., is Awareness.*

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race the Tube

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Fleetwood, THE classic coming of age movie, at least from the female POV,
 is Dirty Dancing with Patrick Swaze and Jennifer Grey. Also set in Upper NY
 State. Do you love me, now that I can dance, dance, dance? Watch me now,
 hey...


http://youtu.be/WpmILPAcRQo


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 Mahesh Yogi was not qualified to provide a commentary on the remainder of
 the Bhagavad Gita.


*The Mahesh Yogi was one of the best scribes in all India, holding a
science degree in physics from a major university. MMY could read and write
in three languages including Hindi, English and Sanskrit. He was so
talented that he was appointed to be the chief clerk of the Shankaracharya
of Jyotirmath, the most important headquarters of all the Dasanami
sannyasins in all of India. MMY studied the scriptures at the feet of
India's most famous yogi - HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Apparently MMY
had read all the scriptures by the time he was thirteen, according to his
uncle Raj Varma, the famous painter. *



  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 But western culture was and still is ignorant of Sanatan Dharma.


*The practice of TM isn't based on religious law or faith in a cosmic
order, so the term Sanatan Dharma has no meaning to most TMers. According
to Rig Veda 4-138, Hindu is non-native and of Iranian origin.*




 Yes I saw those pages purported to be the remaining chapters.

 I still maintain he was not qualified.
 He was selling what the Veda says is a sin to sell.








  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:28 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 I put my time into another commentary I find much more complete and
 practical, thanks.


Most TMers on this list don't even need a commentary on BG anymore, since
they already know and understand the most important techniques of yoga and
the mechanics of consciousness. In advanced meditation techniques the TMers
don't even need to follow any written instructions or checking notes - for
them, meditation just comes.


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:42 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:



 So what you insinuate here is that chapters 7-18 are insignificant and not
 worthy of his time.

 
 What I am insinuating is that if you don't understand Chapter II verse 45
 of BG, and you don't know TM, and you have not read the MMY's CBG, is that
 Chapter 7-18 are insignificant and not worth my time discussing it with you.
 

 Dear Fellow, After three + decades of the TMO, I knew it too well.

 
So, did you enjoy?



 I derived great benefit from his CBG in my earlier years.
 But it was incomplete and my statement that he was not qualified to
 comment on the remaining chapters is evident as Mahesh Yogi was not
 educated in the tradition and his actions showed it.

 
*According to what I've read, the Mahesh Yogi was with with SBS at his
passing, So we can assume that the Mahesh Yogi was very important to SBS.
We can also assume that the Mahesh Yogi was the most important scribe in
all India at that time. Anyone that close to a saint would be so qualified
that he would be the most qualified clerk on the planet!*

*The Mahesh Yogi was the chief scribe of the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath.
Do you know what that means? SBS was the head of all the Saraswati Dasanami
yogis of Northern India.*



 If he was a maharishi, why did he have others by his side to interpret
 Sanskrit/Veda?
 Who was that sweet old Brahmarishi by his side at the Hague in 1985?
 Also in Humboldt 1972, there was a Brahmarishi with his son interpreting
 for Mahesh Yogi.
 He was no maharishi. Again the western culture's ignorance just blindly
 accepted this.



 What is written above is just intellectuallizing and is not a path with
 knowledge to navigate.

 
 It's sounds pretty clear to me - go beyond or transcend the three gunas
 born of nature.

 *Oh Arjuna, the Vedic scriptures deal with subjects in the three modes of
 the material nature. Become self-realized, transcendent to the three modes
 in pure consciousness, free from duality and free from conceptions of
 acquisition and preservation.*

 http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-44.html
 


 It is nothing new. Maybe to the Western mind, but not to those who are
 brought up in the Vedic tradition.

 

 Which Mahesh Yogi was not. He was a clerk.

 
 He was a yogi clerk - that's how he wrote his commentary.
 


 He said, I am not a personal guru yet so many ignorant souls did not
 know what Guru is.

 
 You are mistaken - he did not say this anywhere in CBG. Speak for yourself.
 

 I never claimed he said it in CBG. But he did say it. I heard him say it.

 *MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: *
 *CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *
 

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] OK fleet, so I got to reading...

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Somewhere west of Laramie*

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 ...the Police Blotter after you pointed out the NYC crime. What do I read
 but:


 Classic Jaguar found 46 years after being stolen.


 Found in California!


 pulling an rv?


  



[FairfieldLife] Abacab

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/QbjfesCI254


[FairfieldLife] Remember The Future

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/uCDT0OXoekg


[FairfieldLife] The Old Man Down The Road

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ


[FairfieldLife] Steam

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
http://youtu.be/Qt87bLX7m_o


[FairfieldLife] Re: What People Buy

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We went by this place last night, it was closed so we didn't buy any wine.



*Total Wine, San Antonio, Texas*

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:

 We went by this place yesterday in the mall, but we didn't buy a watch
 since we already have an Apple watch.



 *Lee Michaels at North Star Mall, San Antonio*




[FairfieldLife] Where We Were

2014-09-18 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We were at this place today:




*Culinary Institute of America, San Antonio, Texas*


Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Do ya get the feeling, Barry's falling into a Sam Harris sez type
 pattern?


Sam Harris has a certain appeal to authority for him - he seems to need
that, which would explain why he has spent so much time and money in the
pursuit of a guru almost his entire adult life. If he wants Harris to be
his current teacher, he could do worse. Apparently Barry seems comfortable
with a few books, a TV set and some pirated movies to watch while posting
to social media. It's not complicated.

Barry is not much into actual group practice of any form of meditation,
yoga or martial art training, apparently. In contrast, Harris had spend
years studying and practicing under a Tibetan Lama, earning a Black Belt
and a Ph.D. in neuro-science.

The main problem with the secular approach to meditation training is that
when you remove the Buddhism from the practice, you've left out all the
interesting mood-making; all the saving grace and the inspiration. Instead
of transcending into bliss, you just stay on the surface level of the mind
concentrating on your breathing.

Anyone can learn to practice meditation in just a few minutes from a book -
the actual practice may be not so easy - as I found out sitting at the San
Francisco Zen Center. Try this simple experiment: just sit for one hour
without moving. If you are like me, meditation is way more more joyful if
you have a seed thought to return to.

The problem is that almost all Tibetan meditation training involves the
Buddhist religion to a certain degree. Barry has stated on numerous
occasions that he doe not believe in some aspects of the Buddhist doctrine:
The Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path and the Chain of Dependent
Arising. Go figure.

And, everyone knows that Tibetan Buddhism has as many, if not more,
mood-making tools at your disposal, than almost any religion on the planet.
The problem is the will-to-believe: if you don't believe in the
enlightenment tradition, you might as well take a nap on the bed, and just
try to relax.



 I mean according to Barry, half the internet has read his book.

 sorta funny, I think


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Great find, Geez.

 It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many
 people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's
 so insane it hurts to look at him.

 I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry
 and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM
 sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its
 surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*.  :-)
 :-)  :-)

 Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True
 Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be
 better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This
 is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of
 TM True Believers. And they're right.

 --
  *From:* geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


 Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.

 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Great find, Geez.

 It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many
 people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's
 so insane it hurts to look at him.


*Compared to looking at Barry sitting inside a cafe next to a canal posting
to social media?*



 I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry
 and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM
 sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its
 surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*.  :-)
 :-)  :-)


*Compared to students studying computer science and watching levitation
demonstrations?*



 Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True
 Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be
 better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This
 is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of
 TM True Believers. And they're right.


*Compared to what rational people in the real world think of Barry's
levitation claims?*




   --
  *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


  Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.

 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Some people will sink to the lowest level in order to win a religious
debate, down to and including using the tragic murder of thousands of
innocent children - if a massacre will help them make their point. I'm only
posting this so it's on record and so we know exactly what we a dealing
with in these discussions.*


*where is Edg when we need him?*

*Equating a debate opponent with a Nazi is considered to be universally
stupid on social media and in fact, is a crime in many European countries.
But, apparently it's not included in the FFL Guidelines. Go figure.*


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I like you. So wrt MJ calling Nabby a Nazi, please do not hold
 your breathe waiting for an apology!


   On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:42 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Eggg-cellent!

 
 *You still have failed to apologized for calling Nabby a Nazi or to Dan
 for equating TM practice with the Jewish holocaust. Why not?*
 


   --
  *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:03 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


  Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.

 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness practice on FFL

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or
 Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS.

 
 --- punditster@... wrote :

 Says the guy who has held a grudge against Judy Stein and Richard Williams
 for over ten years. Is Barry on some kind of drug or what? He seems to be
 almost in total dissociation from reality sometimes. Go figure.

 
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:24 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Heh. bawee seems to think he has known me for years. And who is the
 grudge holder? I mean, I read bawee's posts and respond to them but he is
 so grudgy he has gone to the trouble to make sure he is protected behind
 closed doors and barred windows from my posts and all others who he thinks
 might smack him down. Is that funny or what?

 
*What is really funny is that apparently Barry's influence has even
attracted the attention of xeno, who we thought was fair and balanced. Now
Barry has got xeno creating filters and folders marked Canada - for the
gal from Texas who speaks for all Canadians. Go figure.*




 You always nail him, don't you?





  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Elsewhere in cult news...

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I don't know whether anyone here noticed the recent U2 debacle, but it's
 worth paying attention to. I've liked some of their music and not liked
 other of their music, just like everyone else, but while doing so it has
 not escaped my attention that the members of the band are all pretty strong
 evangelical Christians. Evangelicals seem to think it's their RIGHT to
 preach to other people about the things they believe, and that the people
 they're preaching to have a DUTY to listen. (A lot like some folks here on
 FFL, yes?)

 So what does U2 do? Knowing from past sales figures that very few people
 are actually going to pony up the money for a new U2 album because as a
 band they're sorta over, rather than releasing it normally they decide to
 give it away. So far, so good.

 It's HOW they decided to give it away that is fucked up. They supposedly
 worked out a deal with Apple that *everyone* who logged in to iTunes would
 receive a free copy of their new album, downloaded to them without their
 permission. Worse, once it was on these unwilling users' machines, they
 found that they *weren't allowed to delete the new album*. They couldn't
 get rid of it as an album, and they couldn't delete the songs from random
 playlists. (Apple, in response to tens of thousands of angry users, later
 changed the settings so that people could delete it.)

 Not smart. Sorta the thing that religious fanatics more interested in
 preaching to an audience than in understanding them or considering them
 their equals might do...


Anyone who owns an Apple device and iTunes is already an idiot. That's what
I think. Otherwise, if they weren't idiots, they would be able to work any
device, not just one designed for idiots who know nothing about computers.



 Guy Oseary/U2 - Lefsetz Letter
 http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/09/16/guy-osearyu2/







 Guy Oseary/U2 - Lefsetz Letter
 http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/09/16/guy-osearyu2/
 “U2’s Manager Responds to Backlash: If You Don’t Like This Gift, Delete
 It” Speaking of tone deaf scumbags… The spam problem is all over the news,
 I have to delete hundreds of messages a day, but when U2 does it it’s
 legitimate. Ugh. It’s almost like they don’t live in the real wo...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendentalism: Established in Being, live your life

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Om, there's a town here full of old meditators who meditate and who don't
 have a relationship with the TM movement.  Lot of meditators would say,
 Yes I am a meditator but not that.  Waving a hand in the general
 direction of campus and vedic city to the north of town.  This has been a
 quandary for the reformation of the new movement as it goes forward.
 Me, i am a satisfied customer.  I appreciate meditation very much.  I only
 look to the movement to facilitate the large group meditations here hence i
 am interested in their welfare i hope they can thrive for all our welfare
 here.  The field effect of the group meditation is quite fabulous to Be in.
  Spiritual wonders really. They are Enormously spiritual in transcendent
 experience.What blows me away are meditators who would live here who
 would not go up there to meditate at all in the group.  What an amazing
 lost opportunity of a lifetime,
 -Buck in the Dome

 mjackson74 wrote :

 Over the time I have been reading your posts here it sounds like you are
 one of the few you know who have made yourself independent of the TMO and
 still meditate - aren't there any other former TM'ers you know or like you
 they do TM but don't do the Movement?

 awoelflebater writes:

 My sister still meditates but that's it. And she was a TM teacher since
 1970, taught at MIU and has initiated lots of people. She has no interest
 or use for the Movement but has been meditating for 46 years.


*Apparently there are no TMers on this list that currently work for the
TMO. So, I wonder how long Salya has been working tor Yahoo?*






  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 Yep, a hack.  He came in dismissive and ignorant of the material science
 and the reality of our spiritual experience underlying.  He had a story
 constructed before he came in.

 It's called sanity.

 You should try it sometime, possibly with a side order of respect for
 real science.


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:



 So proclaims Professor Magillicuddy PhD of all things scientific and
 provable.


Respect for real science by a real science writer:

What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting
in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in
the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground
for a while.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231





  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Walk in the Sand

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I strolled in the park this wonderful sunny afternoon towards Ocean Beach.
  Once I got there, I decided to take my shoes off to walk on the sand and
 wade through the water's edge to feel the cold waves touch my feet and legs.


 Ahead of me were kids playing on the sand and dodging the waves as they
 rolled in.  They too were having fun.


 According to some internet esoteric gurus, like Santos Bonacci, walking
 with bare feet on the ground is supposed to be good for the physiology.
  Ayurveda probably has a version of this idea as well.  But I can attest
 that it felt good afterwards and definitely made me feel grounded on terra
 firma.  Ya'll should try it.


Like.







  



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 As I mentioned, it becomes a matter of choice. Everything is now visible.
 It becomes a choice to entertain it or not. Any precepts become silly, like
 the earlier waking state discussion regarding anger.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, what feels right to me is the idea of roasted impressions. IOW,
 they are still in the field of individuality, but they no longer get
 activated because they are roasted. What do you think?


*According to Vaj, seeded meditation alone does not burn up old karmic
impressions. *

*In order to perform tapas and burn up your karma you must give up the
notion of me and mine - in reality, we do not act at all - it is the
accrued karma that acts - the three gunas born of nature that are doing the
acting. We are just the witnesses of the karmic acts - then you begin to
understand that you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are
going to get, due to your samskaras or karma. *

*You then give up striving and just do karma yoga for the good of all.You
cannot stop acting, but you can realize that the I is not really you true
Self - you are the self - the sum total of all your acts since time began.*

*When you realize that there is no person doing the acting, you are free
relinquish ownership of your acts. When you give up the fruits of your
actions you are then able to act in an unselfish way - you just go around
doing good for others, your spouse and/or your family. *




  On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 AM, Richard Williams punditster@...
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



  fleetwood_macncheese:

  these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve,
 
 *According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone
 strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out
 the weeds.*


 *http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html*
 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html


 *Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means
 action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional
 formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as
 well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the
 unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future
 rebirth.*

 *In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be
 abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma
 through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero.
 When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no
 return.*

 *Reference:*

 *'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'*
 *Monier Monier-Williams*

 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara',
 and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to,
 is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he
 describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened,
 but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or
 whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the
 environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with
 further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and
 emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from
 impenetrable objects, to playthings. After the samskaras begin to get
 transparent, the silence or light appears to subjectively imbue and
 penetrate every experience, inside and out - the outside world is now
 enlightened, to a degree - oneness predominates, UC. A bigger state of
 enlightenment; the universal motive force is felt and seen everywhere,
 governing everything -




  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:44 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  wrote:

 Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it
 again.

 You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist,
 what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of
 sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask
 about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what
 the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to
 report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the
 bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in
 Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on
 and to do that you have to look behind the public face.

 Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation
 can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely
 crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could
 fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many
 people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people
 had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he
 was alive.

 The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some
 of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I
 don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for
 instance. Obscurity can have its advantages.


So, you don't want to talk about Rotherham. Go figure.







 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When
 you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the
 discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M
 and his sycophants couldn't logically answer.

 --
  *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over



 Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's
 a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually. :

 Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the
 world of serious journalism.
 If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and
 sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't
 used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't
 thought through the ramifications of his own proposals.

 To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he
 was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be
 particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't
 sages supposed to be serene when their end comes?





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a
 hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and
 muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically
 to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Great find, Geez.

 It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many
 people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's
 so insane it hurts to look at him.

 I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry
 and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM
 sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its
 surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*.  :-)
 :-)  :-)

 Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True
 Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be
 better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This
 is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of
 TM True Believers. And they're right.

 --
  *From:* geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


 Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.

 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
  [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
   Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
 This feature is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] my recent media picks

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Director/musician Robert Rodriguez performs at the after party for the
premiere of “Sin City: A Dame to Kill For”  in San Antonio,Texas *

*In the movie world, critics have panned “Sin City: A Dame to Kill For”
because of its sex, exploitation and effects-driven violence. I loved the
movie because it is, as I told my two sons — who have been required to
delight in the Robert Rodriguez film canon — an adoring homage to 1950s
film noir.*

*'Waiting for the 'white Robert Rodriguez'*
http://www.sanantonio-express
news/opinion/commentary/Robert-Rodriguez-5734280.php
http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Waiting-for-the-white-Robert-Rodriguez-5734280.php

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Horrible Bosses - so much was made of jennifer anniston taking off her
 clothes that I avoided this one, until it hit the $5 bin. Excellent movie
 about empowerment, funny as hell, and colin farrell is THE BEST ever. And
 jennifer anniston takes off her clothes.


 Wild Indonesia - Just caught this on PBS last night and its not your
 average nature special - exploding volcanos, manta rays flying through the
 ocean, Komodo dragons, and the otherworldly Echidna, and Cuttlefish.
 Breathtaking.


 The Lego Movie - Quest for The Messiah, a la lego blocks. Colorful,
 sophisticated and like a visual roller coaster. Some great one liners too.
 Not just for kiddies.


 Enjoy!

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:33 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 right Michael, it's the same old, same old from you.  you'll probably say
 it a dozen more times before the day ends.


*Obviously he's not keeping up with the conversation. He asked Sam Harris
to name any good teachers, not even realizing that Sam Harris'  teacher was
a Tibetan. So, MJ dropped the conversation because he didn't want to offend
Barry who just praised Sam Harris and by extension, many Tibetan teachers.
Go figure.*


*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse*
**


 *(hey, do you have self imposed quota?)*

**
*Maybe he is employing a macro like Judy used to do, except she is a lot
smarter than MJ, who probably just copies and pastes the same combination
of words into the text box. MJ obviously doesn't want to discuss his own
teachers - the Kung Foo Fighters. Go figure.*





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It was only biased to someone desperate to see some good in what is mainly
 crap. And if you would open your eyes, you would see that thousands HAVE
 had their lives screwed up through believing in the Old Fraud.

 --
  *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 

 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:36 AM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over


 Did anyone say they could fly.  My friend Michael B, was the flyer
 interviewed.  Both he and Bevan were clear that they were hopping.  That
 was the word used, right?

 Bevan indicated that when the world from free from stress, then people
 could float.  Okay, I'm not buying that.

 Bevan said he thought MMY could fly.  Okay, I'm not buying that.

 But both parties never indicated that they could do anything but hop.  I
 thought that was made pretty clear.

 MMY obviously was tired of the same old questions about money etc.  In
 which case, why did they arrange the interview.  But, I understood that he
 was old, and he was grumpy.

 I thought the interviewer was interested in only one thing, which was to
 discredit TMO.  Okay fair enough, but I expected a 60 Minutes program to
 not show such a bias on the part of the interviewer.  And then to take
 everything John Knapp says at face value?  I thought that was quite cheap.

 I thought John Knapp's statement were full of inaccuracies, to but it
 mildly.

 I thought the woman's statements were also exaggerated. Why didn't she
 stick to her own experiences instead of stating thousands had the same
 experience.  Is that objective?

 That's my take.

 Am I put off by much of TM's affected expressions?  Yes, I am.

 But I recognize biased reporting when I see it.  And it wasn't hard to see
 here.




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :



 Fascinating. I wonder what is your take on it?


 --- steve.sundur@... wrote :

 You put your own spin on it, just like anyone else.  When you've got an
 axe to grind, then you interpret things accordingly.  You are no more free
 of bias than anyone else. Your statements below reflect that.


 --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and
 muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically
 to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice.


 --- salyavin808@... wrote :

 I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a
 bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing
 shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be
 suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see
 that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation.

 When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of
 the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded
 the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some
 reason) a round up of cults and what they were all about. I was shocked to
 see TM in there at all but the fact they got a maximum loony rating seemed
 amazing at the time. But I didn't know anything about them then. You need
 to be on the inside not to see it.

 Marshy came over very badly I thought, were you convinced that the reason
 he refused to meet in person is because he found that new people waste his
 time? What sort of crappy excuse is that. Can you fly? is a perfectly
 reasonable question to someone who makes a fortune out of telling others
 they can. And the faux grovelling outrage by Bev and Da king convinced me
 not at all.

 Bottom line, someone didn't take them seriously and they didn't like it.

 --- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Great find, Geez.

 It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many
 people I know personally, just after 

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*So, you don't want to talk about the Rotherham scandal cover-up. Go
figure.*




*South Yorkshire's police and crime commissioner Shaun Wright, who has
resigned over the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. Photograph: Lynne
Cameron/PA*

The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/16/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-pcc-shaun-wright-resigns



On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:




 Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below
 as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer
 to be anyway...

 I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after
 the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone
 purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news
 discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of
 set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had
 Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something
 similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a
 typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer
 asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH
 then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer
 reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking
 of JH's ego.

 After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner
 and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder
 when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my
 background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so
 obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and
 effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it
 (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet
 dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should
 have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I
 imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be
 unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL

 Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the
 research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media
 scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because
 other people did?

 My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as
 the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a
 request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted
 by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major
 channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was
 post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who
 revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite
 of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want
 to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full
 of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception
 he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was
 Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away
 from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought.



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and
 muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically
 to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice.

 I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a
 bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing
 shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be
 suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see
 that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation.

 It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste
 don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's
 population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might
 attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that
 most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally
 GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and
 that's really saying something.

 I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the frog in the
 pot syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the
 metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes
 the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly
 raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Barry, this is why, if you are so inclined, it is really a good idea to
 follow Sam Harris's advice and choose a guru carefully. You  studied
 with a teacher, who has apparently taught you to avoid reality, or
 provided you with nothing to rid yourself of some pesky past impressions, a
 la TM and Maharishi.


Dr. Frederick Lenz was a good English teacher but maybe not so good as a
spiritual guru. For the record, Rama never claimed to be able to levitate
and do any magic tricks - that's just stuff Barry made up in his puffed-up
pride and arrogance. In fact, most of the things Lenz wrote and said were
very much based on the reality of the spiritual life. Barry just got mixed
up and got a lot of things backwards. Go figure.

http://www.ramaquotes.com/tree.html



 You rant and you rave, but the freedom you seek, through your own
 enlightenment eludes you, and you express this drivel instead. The kind of
 self righteous anger and indignation you work yourself up into, is a waste
 of your time, a waste of my time, and a waste of everyone else's, except
 Michael's.


He does seem to get water to reach it's own level. But, I am surprised he
was able to cow xeno into his little filtering game. Some people are highly
probe to suggestions. So, we can see that Barry does have some influence
around here, at least with a few newbie nerds.



 You let yourself be consumed in every way possible, though mental
 distraction, pointing fingers everywhere - but even your phalanx of digits
 cannot protect you from yourself. So let's hear it - What have you done
 lately, and just this once, watching the tv, doesn't count.


You have to realize,Jim, that Barry leads a very simple spiritual life - a
few good books, a snack at a cafe or a drink at a bar, and posting to
social media. For some people that's all there is to their daily spiritual
practice.

They just don't have the discipline to get up early to meditate and then go
for a walk to enjoy nature or a drive around town to see the sights with
their daughter. Some people are just not very motivated, or free, or are
able - to afford a wheeled vehicle. Go figure.



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


 *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and
 muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically
 to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice.

 I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a
 bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing
 shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be
 suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see
 that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation.

 It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste
 don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's
 population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might
 attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that
 most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally
 GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and
 that's really saying something.

 I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the frog in the
 pot syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the
 metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes
 the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly
 raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and allow himself to be
 boiled to death because he gets used to it in small increments.

 That's what happened to formerly rational TMers. The brainwashing snuck
 up on them over a period of years and decades. Over that time they got
 used to seeing things around them that would sent had them running for the
 exits if they'd been allowed to see them during their first months with TM,
 but by the time they *did* get to see them they'd been trained to consider
 these things normal.

 This is what is scariest to normal 99.99% people watching clips like this
 one. It's *not* the craziness of the principals, like Maharishi and Bevan
 and King Tony -- it's the craziness of people like feste who make excuses
 for them, and write off their obvious insanity by claiming the interview
 was a hatchet job. Now *that* is scary. You'd almost *expect* the leaders
 of a worldwide cult to be crazy, but the everyday followers of the cult?

 When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of
 the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded
 the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 They are finally improving, with the current wave of celebrity interest,
 but the TMO has ALWAYS, imo, been a public relations disaster, hands-down.
 Maharishi must have designed it that way. Elephants, bagpipes, the cream
 colored suits, awkward haircuts, overly soft speech, saris, that
 overwhelming amount of gold script, with gold borders, on cream and rose
 background, accompanying every news release, the ads, raja crowns and
 robes, the endless pachelbel's canon - every bit of it still makes some of
 us bristle.


*There are going to be some misfits in any large organization, for example,
Barry Wright and Lon P. Stacks. The problem is not so much MMY, but the
level of sophistication of his followers.*

*Considering that MMY was a small guy carrying just a rolled-up carpet, who
came out the Himalayas, I think in comparison MMY did a pretty good job of
PR. He did catch a lot of attention - in fact, compared to most
professionals, MMY was PR genius!*

*From being a virtually unknown and obscure scribe to becoming the Beatles
guru and the head of a billion-dollar spiritual organization, is quite an
accomplishment, gold-leaf and cream-colored suits or no. *

*There are not very many individuals in this world that are able to live up
to such a dynamic personality like MMY - someone who by virtue of his mere
words, created a world-wide following. Who could top that? *




 Unlike anything that came before - Unique, though pretty dorky in much of
 its execution. Seems like Maharishi was trying to bust some boundaries,
 and even long after his death, it looks like he is succeeding.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



 Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below
 as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer
 to be anyway...

 I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after
 the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone
 purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news
 discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of
 set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had
 Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something
 similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a
 typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer
 asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH
 then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer
 reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking
 of JH's ego.

 After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner
 and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder
 when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my
 background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so
 obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and
 effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it
 (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet
 dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should
 have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I
 imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be
 unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL

 Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the
 research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media
 scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because
 other people did?

 My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as
 the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a
 request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted
 by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major
 channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was
 post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who
 revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite
 of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want
 to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full
 of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception
 he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was
 Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away
 from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought.



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Excellent find, prison boy! That 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wipe them out (Syrian Rebels, IS in a Pact)

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 John, I'm not sure that jihadists driven to such horrific acts will cave
 in due to their own vileness. And certainly not in response to the world's
 censure. They LIVE FOR that censure. imo.


My plan would be to send in a thousand drones to wipe out their
infrastructure. First, disable all the tanks, jeeps, and Toyotas and then
hit their oil and fuel processing facilities and pipelines. Then, enforce a
no-drive zone on any highway or road in the entire ISIS-controlled areas.

Without fuel, money coming in and no vehicles, it probably wouldn't take
six months before the rag heads all come out with their hands in the air
waving a white flag looking for a ride to a meal.

Then, we would arrest all the leaders and hold them at Gitmo until they get
a NSA chip implanted in their forehead so we could track them anywhere they
go. Then, we would put the ISIS leaders to work in an ebola clinic for the
rest of their lives.

If there were any objections and for some reason this plan failed, we would
then consider emptybll's final solution.




   On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:29 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



  Jedi,

 That's too extreme.  Non-combatants will be killed along with the hard
 core criminals.  I don't believe the world would accept that solution.

 The ISIS militants are already feeling the world opinion against their
 ideology.  They will eventually cave-in due to their own vileness.

 Once the Iraqi forces take back their towns and lands, ISIS will be
 surrounded in their homeground in Syria by forces that are against them.
  It's possible that Assad's forces could wipe them out first.

 If not, Obama could start bombing their weapons and equipment to further
 degrade ISIS.  But this could also create international furor for attacking
 a sovereign land in Syria.  Assad would complain, but he would be secretly
 rejoicing in that the Americans are attacking his own enemy.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :



 You want my advice? A single neutron bomb would be enough to
 wipe them out. The infrastructure will remain intact.

 These people are savage bandits. There is no other way out
 of this.


 --- jr_esq@... wrote :

 Actually it would be easier for the Iraqi forces to retake the towns that
 the ISIS militants have occupied after the US bombs the ISIS equipment,
 weapons and stronghold.

 However, it's another scenario in Syria itself.  At this time, I would
 assume Assad's forces are more likely to finish the job after the US bombs
 the ISIS stronghold, equipment and weapons.  If they don't, the so-called
 friendly militants would take control and Assad's power will more likely be
 degraded.

 The soldiers that are flying the drones can see fairly well through the
 cameras from as far as 5 to 6 miles away.  They can pick out enemy
 combatants.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Elsewhere in cult news...

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Personally, I use all the mainstream OSs. My webserver is an iMac. My
 office desktop is a fanless, completely silent PC running Win 7. My
 favorite laptop is a 13 aluminum MacBook. I have two iPads, and my phone
 is a Samsung Galaxy S4. My least favorite of those OSs is iOS, but the
 iPads are really great for the limited things I use them for. With the two
 apps I use that are available for both Android and iOS, DirecTV and IP Cam
 Viewer, in both cases, the iPad versions are far superior to the Android
 versions.

 In terms of playing music, I absolutely hate Apple devices and iTunes.


*Apple iTunes sucks!*

*I can't imagine someone who is supposed to smart, letting Apple download a
U2 album onto their iPhone that can't be deleted. I don't even know why
Barry brought the subject up except to throw a punch at some lonely TMer on
an Android device. *

*Everyone knows now that Barry uses an iPhone 4 with iTunes. Go figure.*

*We are using the Acer Chrome Book to controll our living room
entertainment center - it only costs $199.00 compared to a MacBook which
costs $1,234.00. It's not perfect, but it beats an Apple TV remote!*


 I like my ancient MP3 player that takes a single AAA battery and is loaded
 by simply dragging folders and files onto it in Windows Explorer. The
 kitchen radio is a refurb Windows laptop with Winamp, because it is far
 superior at playing and bookmarking online streaming stations than anything
 in the Appleverse.

 As for a laptop used as a mobile device, Windows is total shit compared to
 the MacBook. The Mac's multitouch touchpad is vastly superior, and closing
 the lid on a Macbook puts it into a sleep mode that actually works, unlike
 any Windows laptop I've ever owned. My MacBook goes in and out of sleep
 mode for months on end without a complete reboot, and it always works
 perfectly; open the lid, the desktop comes up instantly, and it logs onto
 the WiFi; shut the lid, and it goes back to sleep.

 For a phone, I really like Android. For me, the menu and back buttons make
 it a far more usable OS than iOS. And, it's also really nice being able to
 root Android and gain greater control over the phone. But, Petra's two
 Android phones were never a good match for her limited technical abilities.
 She's completely comfortable with her beloved iPad, and when US Cellular
 started carrying iPhones, I got her one as soon as she qualified for an
 upgrade. For her, having a phone that's a miniature iPad is ideal.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote :


 
 Anyone who owns an Apple device and iTunes is already an idiot. That's
 what I think. Otherwise, if they weren't idiots, they would be able to work
 any device, not just one designed for idiots who know nothing about
 computers.
 

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Yes, I always found the media presentations of the movement made me
 cringe. A complete lack of awareness of how ordinary people think, totally
 unslick.


*Maybe I'm not understanding what media presentations you're talking
about. It's pretty impressive to get your name mentioned in almost every
newspaper in the world and your picture on the cover of Post, Pageant, Time
magazine and your meditation technique mentioned in Science.*



 But then a strong belief system makes one unaware of other viewpoints.


*Maybe that's what prevents you from appreciating the genius of the MMY PR
machine: TM is now the most popular meditation technique in the history of
the yoga tradition. Go figure.*



 Below,


Non sequitur.



 how Pachelbel's Canon probably sounded at the time he wrote it, a much
 more sprightly piece than the modernised, romanticised version that is
 popular. It was originally followed by a Gigue (absent from the recording
 linked to here). It was originally written for three violins and continuo
 (bass instruments like violoncello, violone, harpsichord, therobo, as was
 available). As you compose, you might find this interesting.

 Pachelbel's Canon in D Major (Musica Antiqua Köln)
 http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM


 [image: image] http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM





 Pachelbel's Canon in D Major (Musica Antiqua Köln)
 http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM
 View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM
 Preview by Yahoo


   --
  *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:33 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in
 Being, let anger take over


  They are finally improving, with the current wave of celebrity interest,
 but the TMO has ALWAYS, imo, been a public relations disaster, hands-down.
 Maharishi must have designed it that way. Elephants, bagpipes, the cream
 colored suits, awkward haircuts, overly soft speech, saris, that
 overwhelming amount of gold script, with gold borders, on cream and rose
 background, accompanying every news release, the ads, raja crowns and
 robes, the endless pachelbel's canon - every bit of it still makes some of
 us bristle.
 Unlike anything that came before - Unique, though pretty dorky in much of
 its execution. Seems like Maharishi was trying to bust some boundaries,
 and even long after his death, it looks like he is succeeding.

   



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Like. It sounds so simple that one wonders why Barry doesn't get it, even
after reading a Sam Harris book. Go figure.


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:47 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every
 moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it
 actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be
 understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person
 can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it
 to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most
 painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think,
 the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were
 discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even
 the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what
 it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent
 delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need
 whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :




 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 As I mentioned, it becomes a matter of choice. Everything is now visible.
 It becomes a choice to entertain it or not. Any precepts become silly, like
 the earlier waking state discussion regarding anger.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, what feels right to me is the idea of roasted impressions. IOW,
 they are still in the field of individuality, but they no longer get
 activated because they are roasted. What do you think?

 
 *According to Vaj, seeded meditation alone does not burn up old karmic
 impressions. *

 *In order to perform tapas and burn up your karma you must give up the
 notion of me and mine - in reality, we do not act at all - it is the
 accrued karma that acts - the three gunas born of nature that are doing the
 acting. We are just the witnesses of the karmic acts - then you begin to
 understand that you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are
 going to get, due to your samskaras or karma. *

 *You then give up striving and just do karma yoga for the good of all.You
 cannot stop acting, but you can realize that the I is not really you true
 Self - you are the self - the sum total of all your acts since time began.*

 *When you realize that there is no person doing the acting, you are free
 relinquish ownership of your acts. When you give up the fruits of your
 actions you are then able to act in an unselfish way - you just go around
 doing good for others, your spouse and/or your family. *
 



  On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 AM, Richard Williams punditster@...
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



  fleetwood_macncheese:

  these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve,
 
 *According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone
 strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out
 the weeds.*


 *http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html*
 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html


 *Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means
 action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional
 formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as
 well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the
 unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future
 rebirth.*

 *In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be
 abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma
 through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero.
 When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no
 return.*

 *Reference:*

 *'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'*
 *Monier Monier-Williams*

 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara',
 and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to,
 is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he
 describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened,
 but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or
 whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the
 environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with
 further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and
 emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from
 impenetrable objects, to playthings

[FairfieldLife] What People Buy

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We went by this place yesterday in the mall, but we didn't buy a watch
since we already have an Apple watch.



*Lee Michaels at North Star Mall, San Antonio*


Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:13 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I
 loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by
 disagreeing with it.

 Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people
 who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what
 they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in
 spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's
 ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book.

 He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness
 meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had
 about my own irregular practice  of mindfulness meditation and how it
 relates to my previous experience with TM.


*Vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the
goal of calming the mind. The problem is the will-to-believe: if you don't
believe in the enlightenment tradition, you might as well take a nap on the
bed, and just try to relax and count sheep. When you take Buddha out of the
meditation you are left with just a relaxation technique.*


  Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the
 same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less
 unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient.  I
 am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept
 would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out
 someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader
 conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is
 nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.)

 I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system
 baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or
 intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same
 goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should
 admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by
 assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to
 be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To
 stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are
 based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People
 who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem
 like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so
 wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will
 give you props for that.

 The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self
 is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of
 self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still
 falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young
 and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding
 for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought
 provoking.

 Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions
 about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I
 like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less
 enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone
 through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass
 of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It
 is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating
 more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under
 such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a
 way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet.
 Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut
 it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons
 role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified
 with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as
 freedom seems unwarranted to me. It reminds me of Maharishi's
 condescending letter to the peaceless and suffering humanity in its
 presumptions. They both should just speak for themselves to those of us who
 do not share their perspective. They are trying to impose a problem on me
 that I do not have.

 I agree with Sam that the silent aspect of my consciousness is not a
 Self' in the way Maharishi claimed. I found this satisfying because when I
 tried TM again after 18 years without the belief system I  was struck with
 how bogus this claim seemed to me. I am not sure it is realizing the
 illusion of self either as Sam claims. It just seems to be a thing we can
 do with our minds that is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:13 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I
 loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by
 disagreeing with it.

 Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people
 who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what
 they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in
 spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's
 ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book.

 He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness
 meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had
 about my own irregular practice  of mindfulness meditation and how it
 relates to my previous experience with TM.

 Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the
 same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less
 unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient.  I
 am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept
 would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out
 someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader
 conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is
 nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.)

 I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system
 baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or
 intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same
 goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should
 admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by
 assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to
 be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To
 stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are
 based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People
 who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem
 like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so
 wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will
 give you props for that.

 The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self
 is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of
 self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still
 falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young
 and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding
 for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought
 provoking.

 Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions
 about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I
 like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less
 enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone
 through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass
 of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It
 is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating
 more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under
 such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a
 way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet.
 Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut
 it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons
 role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified
 with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as
 freedom seems unwarranted to me. It reminds me of Maharishi's
 condescending letter to the peaceless and suffering humanity in its
 presumptions. They both should just speak for themselves to those of us who
 do not share their perspective. They are trying to impose a problem on me
 that I do not have.

 I agree with Sam that the silent aspect of my consciousness is not a
 Self' in the way Maharishi claimed. I found this satisfying because when I
 tried TM again after 18 years without the belief system I  was struck with
 how bogus this claim seemed to me. I am not sure it is realizing the
 illusion of self either as Sam claims. It just seems to be a thing we can
 do with our minds that is satisfying for its own sake and seems to feel
 like a good place to flow from afterward.

 Speaking of flow , this concept of flow states in activity holds much more
 appeal for me than static meditation. I believe we reach the goal of
 meditation states through many means that force us to act more directly
 from our more full capacity of our unconscious processes, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] US Troops May Be Back in Iraq

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 General Dempsey, the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon, said
 that half of the Iraqi army can't fight.  So, it would not be possible to
 defeat ISIS.


The problem is the America will to fight the good fight. We spent ten years
winning the war in Iraq, only to watch the U.S. Congress piss it away by
listening to the liberal public. The U.S. Congress is asleep at the wheel -
we've got to throw the bums out. Now people are starting to wake up and a
majority of Americans think we should do more to prevent the catastrophe in
Iraq.

Iraq Will Be One Of The Greatest Achievements of This Administration -
Joe Biden in 2010.




 http://news.yahoo.com/dempsey-half-iraqi-army-not-ok-us-partners-052845869.html?clear-cache

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Looks like  about a 5 shot Americano rap.   Tried a Starbuck's Clover yet? ;-)



 *Non sequitur.*


 As you know I would agree with you that ranking spiritual experiences is
 bogus.  As I said the other day (as well as many other times) Maharishi
 kinda confused folks with levels of enlightenment.


*Pointing out the different levels of consciousness is probably as old as
India itself. One of the oldest doctrines in India is based on numbers -
the term sankhya pertains to number - a radical dualism - the three
constituents and the 32 tatvas of nature. There is nothing bogus about
counting - apparently the Hindus discovered the naught and Arabic
numerals.*


 In many simpler Indian traditions you are either experiencing
 enlightenment or not.


*In most Indian traditions there is no enlightenment tradition - the vast
majority of Indians follow the Bhakt tradition based on devotional service
- they do not believe in yogic personal enlightenment.*


 And as Earl Kaplan pointed out in that letter of his he learned what I did
 visiting India: enlightenment is not that uncommon.


He found out that what MY was teaching is common all over India: meditation
on istadevata.




 On 09/17/2014 10:13 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I
 loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by
 disagreeing with it.

 Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people
 who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what
 they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in
 spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's
 ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book.

 He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness
 meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had
 about my own irregular practice  of mindfulness meditation and how it
 relates to my previous experience with TM.


  Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the
 same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less
 unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient.  I
 am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept
 would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out
 someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader
 conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is
 nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.)


  I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system
 baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or
 intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same
 goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should
 admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by
 assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to
 be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To
 stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are
 based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People
 who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem
 like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so
 wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will
 give you props for that.

 The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self
 is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of
 self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still
 falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young
 and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding
 for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought
 provoking.

 Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions
 about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I
 like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less
 enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone
 through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass
 of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It
 is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating
 more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under
 such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a
 way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet.
 Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut
 it for me. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 any university that teaches and preaches that Hindu priests can change
 the world through butter and chanting sacrifices is some sort of science,
 not to mention the idea that foam hopping as scientifically verified
 positive effects on society is definitely so-called.


*You are definitely prejudiced against Hindus. There are thousands of
universities the world over that preach that prayer can have a positive
effect on society. Even foam hopping or levitating up off of a sofa can
change some people's world. Ask Barry if you don't believe me.*



   --
  *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:01 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


  I am sure you are right about the nastiness of the BBC, which
 continually covered up for the necrophiliac psychopathic monster Jimmy
 Saville.

 But this Australian 60 Minutes segment was biased and hostile from start
 to finish. It doesn't take a genius to see it. Just to give one example
 from what I remember, the reporter referred to MUM as a so-called
 university. Wrong. It's an accredited university and is this year
 celebrating its 40th anniversary here in Fairfield. There's nothing
 so-called about it. You might as well refer to Iowa Wesleyan College,
 just 20 miles down the road from it, as a so-called college. (And having
 taught at both, I can tell you that MUM has brighter students, in my
 experience.)


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it
 again.

 You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist,
 what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of
 sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask
 about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what
 the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to
 report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the
 bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in
 Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on
 and to do that you have to look behind the public face.

 Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation
 can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely
 crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could
 fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many
 people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people
 had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he
 was alive.

 The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some
 of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I
 don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for
 instance. Obscurity can have its advantages.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When
 you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the
 discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M
 and his sycophants couldn't logically answer.

 --
  *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over



 Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's
 a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually. :

 Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the
 world of serious journalism.
 If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and
 sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't
 used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't
 thought through the ramifications of his own proposals.

 To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he
 was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be
 particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't
 sages supposed to be serene when their end comes?





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a
 hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually.







   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 Mahesh Yogi was not qualified to provide a commentary on the remainder of
 the Bhagavad Gita.


*There was no need to publish a comment on the remaining chapters since MMY
had already made clear the keystone in the arch of the BG: II verse 45.*

*In commenting on Bhagavad Gita, MMY has brought our attention to the
existence of the gunas, whose concern is action, which, in every case, is
the result of the interplay of three constituents born of nature - eternal
becoming, termed Prakriti in the Gita. *

*Rajas, sattva and tamas - these three propensities regulate the state of
action and are relative to each other and to all that exists in the
phenomenal world.  That is, nature, which is everything, is subject to the
law of causation - cause and effect. It is the gunas, without exception,
that govern all action-reaction in the material world. *

*However, Maharishi has also called our attention to the fact that nature,
governed by the three gunas, is entirely separate from the transcendental
field - the field of Being, termed Purusha in the BG. *

*MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: *
*CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wipe them out (Syrian Rebels, IS in a Pact)

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Yikes, Richard! You've really given this a lot of thought. Even down to
 the detail about sending ISIS leaders to work in ebola clinics. I'd say
 those patients are already suffering enough!


*Not to attend the sick, but to cremate the dead bodies.Someone has to do
it.*


 Do you have an alternative plan?


*The alternative plan is the final solution: nuke Mecca, with a threat to
do the same to Medina. But I really think my plan is better - it's hard to
field an army with no fuel or food when your life depends on a Toyota for a
runner to get to a market.*






   On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:31 AM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  John, I'm not sure that jihadists driven to such horrific acts will cave
 in due to their own vileness. And certainly not in response to the world's
 censure. They LIVE FOR that censure. imo.

 
 My plan would be to send in a thousand drones to wipe out their
 infrastructure. First, disable all the tanks, jeeps, and Toyotas and then
 hit their oil and fuel processing facilities and pipelines. Then, enforce a
 no-drive zone on any highway or road in the entire ISIS-controlled areas.

 Without fuel, money coming in and no vehicles, it probably wouldn't take
 six months before the rag heads all come out with their hands in the air
 waving a white flag looking for a ride to a meal.

 Then, we would arrest all the leaders and hold them at Gitmo until they
 get a NSA chip implanted in their forehead so we could track them anywhere
 they go. Then, we would put the ISIS leaders to work in an ebola clinic for
 the rest of their lives.

 If there were any objections and for some reason this plan failed, we
 would then consider emptybll's final solution.
 



   On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:29 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



  Jedi,

 That's too extreme.  Non-combatants will be killed along with the hard
 core criminals.  I don't believe the world would accept that solution.

 The ISIS militants are already feeling the world opinion against their
 ideology.  They will eventually cave-in due to their own vileness.

 Once the Iraqi forces take back their towns and lands, ISIS will be
 surrounded in their homeground in Syria by forces that are against them.
  It's possible that Assad's forces could wipe them out first.

 If not, Obama could start bombing their weapons and equipment to further
 degrade ISIS.  But this could also create international furor for attacking
 a sovereign land in Syria.  Assad would complain, but he would be secretly
 rejoicing in that the Americans are attacking his own enemy.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :



 You want my advice? A single neutron bomb would be enough to
 wipe them out. The infrastructure will remain intact.

 These people are savage bandits. There is no other way out
 of this.


 --- jr_esq@... wrote :

 Actually it would be easier for the Iraqi forces to retake the towns that
 the ISIS militants have occupied after the US bombs the ISIS equipment,
 weapons and stronghold.

 However, it's another scenario in Syria itself.  At this time, I would
 assume Assad's forces are more likely to finish the job after the US bombs
 the ISIS stronghold, equipment and weapons.  If they don't, the so-called
 friendly militants would take control and Assad's power will more likely be
 degraded.

 The soldiers that are flying the drones can see fairly well through the
 cameras from as far as 5 to 6 miles away.  They can pick out enemy
 combatants.












Re: [FairfieldLife] US Troops May Be Back in Iraq

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 That's Iraq's problem not ours.


*You built it - you own it.*


 It was a stable before we decided trash the place back 2003.


*It was as near a failed state as you can get.*


 I'll send General Dempsey my tax bill.


*You don't pay any federal income tax - you got a refund and an earned
income credit.*


 ISIL is just a bunch of recruited street thugs anyway and well trained
 police could take them out.


*You have to have the will to fight the good fight - Iraqi police do not
have the will - that's why they fled.*





 On 09/17/2014 11:58 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 General Dempsey, the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon, said
 that half of the Iraqi army can't fight.  So, it would not be possible to
 defeat ISIS.



 http://news.yahoo.com/dempsey-half-iraqi-army-not-ok-us-partners-052845869.html?clear-cache


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:42 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 So what you insinuate here is that chapters 7-18 are insignificant and not
 worthy of his time.


What I am insinuating is that if you don't understand Chapter II verse 45
of BG, and you don't know TM, and you have not read the MMY's CBG, is that
Chapter 7-18 are insignificant and not worth my time discussing it with you.



 What is written above is just intellectuallizing and is not a path with
 knowledge to navigate.


It's sounds pretty clear to me - go beyond or transcend the three gunas
born of nature.

*Oh Arjuna, the Vedic scriptures deal with subjects in the three modes of
the material nature. Become self-realized, transcendent to the three modes
in pure consciousness, free from duality and free from conceptions of
acquisition and preservation.*

http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-44.html



 It is nothing new. Maybe to the Western mind, but not to those who are
 brought up in the Vedic tradition.



 Which Mahesh Yogi was not. He was a clerk.


He was a yogi clerk - that's how he wrote his commentary.


 He said, I am not a personal guru yet so many ignorant souls did not
 know what Guru is.


You are mistaken - he did not say this anywhere in CBG. Speak for yourself.


*MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: *
*CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Except, as we've heard here many a time, it really wasn't his commentary.
 He just approved but gave no credit to the scholar who wrote it.


Vernon Katz did the transliteration on CBG. Everyone knows the commentary
of MMY is by MMY - who else would have composed it?



 So it goes in the big business of cults.


So, it goes - do you have any evidence that MMY did not dictate the CBG
commentary? If so, just post it so we can read it. Thanks.




 On 09/17/2014 03:19 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 wrote:



 I wasn't there, with Shiva, or Parvati, during that discussion, and I just
 wouldn't take an interpretation, on face value, from a third party. I liked
 MMY's commentary - but I admit not having read any appreciable amount of
 it, in years. Perhaps I will pick it up again. PS Anyone can write a
 commentary. Whether or not people consider it authoritative, is a personal
 matter, and not given to supposed edicts, from you, or anyone else.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Who is limiting their horizon, here?
 For decades I thought Mahesh Yogi's commentary was the be all and end all
 of Bhagavad Gita commentaries.
 Why?
 Because the movement said so.
 Ignorance is Bliss.

  Lord Shiva's discourse to Goddess Parvati...Sri Guru Gita explains who
 is qualified and who is not.

  It is clear from this scripture where Mahesh Yogi stood.


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I have seen a couple posts that alluded to this - but I don't know any
 details, who is it that actually wrote the commentary and why did he or she
 do it?


*If you had been keeping up with the conversation you would already know
that Judy blew to bits the theory that somebody else wrote CBG. Go figure.*



   --
  *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:55 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be
 a classic.


   Except, as we've heard here many a time, it really wasn't his
 commentary.  He just approved but gave no credit to the scholar who wrote
 it.

 So it goes in the big business of cults.

 On 09/17/2014 03:19 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 wrote:



 I wasn't there, with Shiva, or Parvati, during that discussion, and I just
 wouldn't take an interpretation, on face value, from a third party. I liked
 MMY's commentary - but I admit not having read any appreciable amount of
 it, in years. Perhaps I will pick it up again. PS Anyone can write a
 commentary. Whether or not people consider it authoritative, is a personal
 matter, and not given to supposed edicts, from you, or anyone else.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Who is limiting their horizon, here?
 For decades I thought Mahesh Yogi's commentary was the be all and end all
 of Bhagavad Gita commentaries.
 Why?
 Because the movement said so.
 Ignorance is Bliss.

  Lord Shiva's discourse to Goddess Parvati...Sri Guru Gita explains who
 is qualified and who is not.

  It is clear from this scripture where Mahesh Yogi stood.




   



Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 hmmm, missed it. sorry. I am really shocked, really surprised, they didn't
 run your entire 30 minutes on national TV, and hold the rest of the news
 for another time. After all, its YOU. I mean, what could be more important
 than you, giving your intro lecture, in its entirety? Fuckers. They should
 produce an NBC documentary, immediately, called, WTF happened to Barry
 Wright?


*If they are not there to video tape the Rama guy levitating hundreds of
times, why would anyone be there to video tape Barry giving an introductory
lecture standing on the church grounds?*





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


 Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15
 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was
 post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM
 was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with
 their request to do a show about this new fad.

 I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and
 was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I
 guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he
 pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San
 Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could
 be videotaped.

 I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the
 time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two
 camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup
 and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she
 didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup,
 which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods,
 and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley,
 talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is
 cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half
 an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment --
 again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even
 bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television
 arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-)

 So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me
 when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too,
 waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes
 on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the
 final cut.  Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine
 from A Fish Called Wanda. :-)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c

 But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and
 other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a
 regular basis.

 Not. Never happened again.

 Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one
 night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for
 TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than
 my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News.

 --
  *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below
 as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer
 to be anyway...

 I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after
 the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone
 purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news
 discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of
 set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had
 Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something
 similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a
 typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer
 asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH
 then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer
 reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking
 of JH's ego.

 After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner
 and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder
 when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my
 background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so
 obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and
 effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it
 (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet
 dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] This just in . . .

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
This message seems like it is prejudiced against Hindus.

*The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable,
judgments toward people or a person because of gender, political opinion,
social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity,
language, nationality or other personal characteristics.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Just to be fair and balanced, let it be noted that Krishna told Arjuna to
 kill all of the enemy.  Not that Arjuna had a nuclear bomb -- as did his
 twin brother (the Brahma boon's mantra) -- but he and the other four pandas
 did pretty much then go and do GENOCIDE.


*Prejudice: a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual
experience.*



 So, Willy's in good company, eh?


*In good company that you voted for - Barack Obama - the President you
voted for and then threw under the bus.*



 Of course, Krishna didn't tell Arjuna to kill the women and children too
 as Willy suggested.


*You are lying - Willy did not suggest to kill all the ISIS women and
children. He suggested to starve them into submission, then arrest the ISIS
leaders and put them to work burning the dead ebola victims.*



 I guess Willy's BETTER at genocide than GOD.


*Which GOD - the ISIS GOD? *


 GO THE FUCK AND FIGURE.


*GO FUCK YOURSELF.*


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 and your TM positive schtick is what, a rut? Or some blissful truth Marshy
 graciously gave you? Or a rut?


*Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the
premises or evidence.*



   --
  *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:39 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


  I can't help wonder, Michael, how this etched in granite attitude that
 you have towards the TMO, impervious to any evidence to the contrary, plays
 out in real life.

 Let's hope that your dysfunctionality and obsessiveness is limited only to
 the TMO, but I suspect that is not the case.

 We know that when you eat a pizza, you think of Maharishi, and the act of
 eating the pizza becomes an act of defiance, but I suspect it plays out in
 many other ways as well.

 To most others, I think it looks like a rut,but for you, it's just normal.
  (-:








 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 feste, steve, doc, Buck, Nabby et al just cannot allow themselves to admit
 it was decent reporting, they have to find fault with the outsider, because
 if they look at the clip objectively then their whole hose of cards falls
 apart.

 --
  *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it
 again.

 You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist,
 what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of
 sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask
 about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what
 the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to
 report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the
 bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in
 Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on
 and to do that you have to look behind the public face.

 Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation
 can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely
 crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could
 fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many
 people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people
 had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he
 was alive.

 The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some
 of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I
 don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for
 instance. Obscurity can have its advantages.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When
 you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the
 discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M
 and his sycophants couldn't logically answer.

 --
  *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over



 Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's
 a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually. :

 Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the
 world of serious journalism.
 If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and
 sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't
 used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't
 thought through the ramifications of his own proposals.

 To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he
 was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be
 particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't
 sages supposed to be serene when their end comes?





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a
 hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's
 questions very well, actually.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:07 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I know! It is funny as hell to observe - seems so random, and fulfilling,
 and mysterious, and utterly mundane, all at the same time.


*Karma is never random - it works on all levels just the way it's supposed
to work. There are no chance events in the law of karma. You know it when
you stub your toe - that there is a person who feels pain. That's the
bottom line - who is exactly that feels the pain? When you hurt your foot,
is it Barry that suffers? No.*




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 My experience has been that  I don't exist.  It just seems that I go
 through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at
 all.  Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually
 especially if some people have had few experiences even of  transcending.
 It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not
 spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his
 writings about false enlightenment.  Just do some grounding things and if
 the experience remains it isn't spaciness.

 On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every
 moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it
 actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be
 understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person
 can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it
 to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most
 painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think,
 the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were
 discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even
 the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what
 it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent
 delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need
 whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile.

 -


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:14 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 ha-ha - caffeined.

 I agree that the 'levels' thing can be really confusing, but I do like
 that it shows first the lighting inside, spreading to the outside, then
 illuminating everything, with perception changing appropriately along the
 way, aka TC evolving to CC, evolving to UC.  However I see your point for
 keeping it simple - Either way, the same process occurs.


*The most simple point is that there is only ONE reality, not two or a
myriad of individual pure consciousness - each one for a different person.
There is only one single pure consciousness shared by all. It just looks
divided up into levels due to maya.*




 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Looks like  about a 5 shot Americano rap.   Tried a Starbuck's Clover yet? ;-)


 As you know I would agree with you that ranking spiritual experiences is
 bogus.  As I said the other day (as well as many other times) Maharishi
 kinda confused folks with levels of enlightenment.  In many simpler Indian
 traditions you are either experiencing enlightenment or not.   And as Earl
 Kaplan pointed out in that letter of his he learned what I did visiting
 India: enlightenment is not that uncommon.

 On 09/17/2014 10:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I
 loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by
 disagreeing with it.

 Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people
 who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what
 they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in
 spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's
 ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book.

 He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness
 meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had
 about my own irregular practice  of mindfulness meditation and how it
 relates to my previous experience with TM.


 Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the
 same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less
 unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient.  I
 am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept
 would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out
 someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader
 conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is
 nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.)


 I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system
 baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or
 intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same
 goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should
 admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by
 assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to
 be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To
 stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are
 based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People
 who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem
 like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so
 wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will
 give you props for that.

 The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self
 is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of
 self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still
 falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young
 and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding
 for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought
 provoking.

 Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions
 about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I
 like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less
 enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone
 through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass
 of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It
 is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating
 more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under
 such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a
 way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet.
 Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut
 it for me. That 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rest and Activity

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 After spending most of the day raking leaves, hauling leaves to the road,
 putting together my new weed eater and leaf blower, charging the battery,
 baking cookies, baking sweet potatoes organic Beaureguards grown by my
 brother and doing a couple qigong routines in the early evening, I realized
 just how unhealthy it was to spend so many hours in a day doing TM.


*You probably meant spending so much time on social media denouncing TM
for many hours a day. *

*How is that Kung Foo working out for you? *
**

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
...he's been exposed to more of them than most people on this forum.

*The article Sam Harris wrote was reasonable enough, but the introductory
paragraph you wrote sucked. N**obody here claimed to have been exposed to
more gurus than Sam Harris.*

So how does one of the world's great atheists and opponents of religion

*It has NOT been established that Sam Harris is one of the world's great
atheists; and in fact, Sam Harris is a Buddhist whose guru was a Tibetan **who
believed in karma and reincarnation.*

A fetish for numbers is also an ominous sign.

*This should be a tip-off to most of the readers here: that you claimed to
have seen your guru Rama levitate hundreds of times. *

Having realized that he was advising people to learn how to meditate

*In fact, real meditation has nothing to do with spirits or a spiritual
practice. Meditation has to do with clarity of mind and the development of
compassion.Meditation is NOT a religion as you once claimed; and apparently
Sam Harris would reject almost everything your guru ever wrote; and would
have ridiculed most of your claims about meditation practice. Thanks for
posting this.*

*Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds
discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt*

**



On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 So how does one of the world's great atheists and opponents of religion
 discuss the concept of gurus? Pretty well, actually, probably because he's
 been exposed to more of them than most people on this forum.

 Having realized that he was advising people to learn how to meditate and
 thus possibly exposing them to the world of spiritual teachers and gurus,
 he raps at one point about gurus. The result is classic Sam Harris -- the
 first paragraph is balanced and useful and compassionate, the second is
 hilariously barbed and IMO right on, and the last sentence conveys the
 pragmatic bottom line:

 The gurus I have met personally, as well as those whose careers and
 teachings I have studied at a distance, range from crooks who could be
 quickly dismissed to teachers who were brilliant but flawed, to those who,
 while still human, seemed to possess so much compassion and clarity of mind
 that they were nearly flawless examples of the benefits of spiritual
 practice. This last group is of obvious interest, and these are surely the
 people one hopes to meet, but the middle group can be helpful as well. Some
 teachers about whom depressing stories are told—men and women whose
 indiscretions may seem to discredit the very concept of spiritual
 authority—are, in fact, talented contemplatives. Many of these people get
 corrupted by the power and opportunities that come from inspiring devotion
 in others. Some may begin to believe the myths that grow up around them,
 and some are guilty of ludicrous exaggerations of their own spiritual and
 historical significance. Caveat emptor.

 Of course, there can be clear indications that a teacher is not worth
 paying attention to. A history as a fabulist or a con artist should be
 considered fatal; thus, the spiritual opinions of Joseph Smith, Gurdjieff,
 and L. Ron Hubbard can be safely ignored. A fetish for numbers is also an
 ominous sign. Math is magical, but math approached like magic is just
 superstition—and numerology is where the intellect goes to die. Prophecy is
 also a very strong indication of chicanery or madness on the part of a
 teacher, and of stupidity among his students. One can extrapolate from
 scientific data or technological trends (climate models, Moore’s law), but
 most detailed predictions about the future lead to embarrassment right on
 schedule. Anyone who can confidently tell you what the world will be like
 in 2027 is delusional. The channeling of invisible entities, whether
 broadcast from beyond the grave or from another galaxy, should provoke only
 laughter. J. Z. Knight, who has long claimed to be the mouthpiece for a
 35,000-year-old entity named Ramtha, is the ultimate example of how you
 don’t want your teacher to sound. And any suggestion that a guru has
 influenced world events through magic should also put an end to the
 conversation. Sri Aurobindo and his partner, known as “the Mother,”
 apparently claimed to have decided the outcome of World War II with their
 psychic powers.9
 https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/part0015.html#ich5note9 (In that
 case, one wonders why they weren’t held morally responsible for not having
 ended it sooner.) Yet another reason to ignore Aurobindo’s long, unreadable
 books.

 Generally speaking, you should head for the door at any sign of deception
 on the part of a teacher.


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Waking Up - the art of pitching meditation to skeptics

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
You need to get some smarts, Barry - NOBODY on FFL, that has a lick of
sense, is going to pay $16.00 for a 256 page book so they can read what Sam
Harris says about Buddhist meditation. Only a nerd would do that - because
there is nothing new in his book to read - this is some pretty basic stuff.

We saw the book at the Public Library and at Barnes  Noble and we both
read almost the entire book standing in a book stall or in the stacks. Sam
Harris refutes almost everything you've been posting to FFL for the last
ten years, Barry.

Get a clue - you are living in a fantasy if you think this is a way to
start a dialog. I already posted to the internet almost everything Sam
Harris says about Tibetan meditation and you failed to respond to a single
message.

You suck as an informant!

Amazon reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/Reviews/
http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/product-reviews/1451636016/ref=dpx_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1



On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I finished Sam Harris' new book, and am up for discussing any parts of it
 with people here who have also read the book. It should go without saying
 that in addition to the folks whose posts I never read period (none of whom
 are likely to have the attention span or humility to read this book
 anyway), I will engage with no one who hasn't done the homework of
 actually having read the book. But it's a good book IMO, and opens up many
 questions for discussion, among people open to actually learning new
 things.

 As an overview, I think it was an ambitious task that he managed to pull
 off fairly well. It isn't the easiest thing in the world, after all, to
 pitch the value of meditation and spirituality to people who have not the
 least bit of interest in Woo Woo or religious dogma, and in fact are pretty
 averse to those concepts. But I think he did a good job of it.

 For those whose only interest in such things is their own self-importance,
 i.e., Did he mention TM?, no, I don't think he did. He mentioned some
 research on meditation, but mainly on vipassana-mindfulness-based secular
 meditations. Personally, I don't think he'd even consider TM to *be*
 meditation, based on his descriptions of what he considers meditation to
 be. After all, in TM most people are sitting there *most of the time* lost
 in a sequence of reactive thoughts. This is exactly what his idea of
 meditation hopes to *avoid*. So no, even if TM weren't full of religious
 ideas and Woo Woo that he'd dislike, he'd probably not consider it real
 meditation.

 Speaking to more open-minded people, and to actual scientists (as opposed
 to Woo Woo Newagers who spout quantum this and unified field that
 without having any idea what they're talking about), I think Sam does a
 good job of presenting a case for investigating the spiritual side of life
 through meditation. His pitch is based pretty strongly on the need for
 self-knowledge, and for determining who that mysterious I that you
 consider your self is, and that's not going to appeal to everyone. But I
 think he mentions enough of the real-world, tangible benefits of meditation
 that a few people are going to undertake it, based on his book.

 He even gives a few intro techniques, which I cannot disagree with. I
 think that for most people his simple mindfulness technique would produce
 more tangible benefits after a few weeks of practicing it than TM would.
 And of course Sam's version is free, included in the first chapter he put
 online to give people a taste of the book.

 As a writer and as a personality, Sam Harris is NOT gonna be everyone's
 cuppa tea. For a person whose mantra (so to speak) is self is an
 illusion, he seems to have the strongest, most opinionated, and outspoken
 self I've encountered in years. :-) He's not only unafraid to say what he
 thinks of certain traditions and teachers, he does so occasionally for
 effect, to poke and prod people who are heavily invested in those
 traditions or teachers. I found that absolutely *nothing* he said in this
 book offended me in any way, but I'd be willing to bet that many long-term
 TMers and religionists here would be in pretty much a perpetual state of
 faux outrage if they actually tried to read the book. Fortunately for them,
 they'll never even try, because that would imply (horrors!) that they think
 they might have something to learn from an atheist.  :-)

 If I have nitpicks with the book, they are, in fact, nitpicks...passages
 that I would have phrased differently, because I'm even more of a stickler
 for precision in language than he is. As an example, here's a passage from
 the book...try to figure out in advance what I disagree with, and how I
 would change it to make it better:

 Although many Buddhists have a superstitious and cultic attachment to the
 historical Buddha, the teachings of Buddhism 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
You just over-intellectualized enlightenment. Somebody correct me if I'm
wrong, but there don't seem to be ANY bliss-ninnies posting to FFL. If
you got confused by the Maharishi, who made everything dirt simple, you
must be really confused. What could be simpler than go in and meditate and
come out and radiate? Go figure.



On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 However over-intellectualizing above enlightenment can be a barrier toward
 growth.  Besides once person steps over the edge they will realize what
 has happened.  A good sign you are down the path is when you no longer are
 concerned about whether you are enlightened or not.  It is NOT an
 intellectual exercise.  Neither can you tell from someone's posts on the
 Internet whether they are enlightened or not.  Some of the markers for
 behaviors that might indicate enlightenment that I see online might be
 good for indicating a bliss ninny instead.  Personality may not change a
 whole lot because it will still be governed by the person's samskaras.
 Samskaras are sort of the mask that the inner light shines through.

 Personally I think in this area Maharishi confused people.  It's much
 simpler in other traditions.

 On 09/14/2014 07:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


 Steve,

  You do need to pay attention to what other people say about
 enlightenment, otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made
 progress or not. But then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of
 descriptions of enlightenment in various traditions. Jim's experience is
 one of them, but it has me being suspicious because he has said rather
 little of it in detail, other than he has it, and he knows others do not.

  The only teacher I know of who describes enlightenment in great detail
 from start to finish, from a more 'personal' perspective, warts and all, is
 Adyashanti. There may be other teachers I do not know of, undoubtedly.
 Maharishi's system appears to have some general benchmarks, but it seems
 many have had experiences that are of another quality. The jury is out on
 this for me, but Jim seems to avoid going into much detail about his
 experience.

  'Silence 24/7', a big release when it dawned, 'every perception sees the
 infinity of the object, unity prevailing', but generally not particularly
 creative in going beyond stock phrases that could be lifted from
 Maharishi's tapes. Because he seems to be interested in creativity and
 expression, I think he could do better at this and make up his own words
 for this, because then you get more of a feeling of a connexion with a
 person's mind.

  To me Jim seems more bluster than Brahman, but I do feel he had a
 profound experience from his point of view. I would just like to know more
 about it, and he seems reluctant to go into more detail. Also Jim seemed
 not to understand descriptions of enlightenment from other perspectives,
 such as Vedanta, which should not be a problem.

  Just something seems missing to me. Jim's performance strikes me as low
 resolution bravura, and seems more interested in telling the tale of it and
 how it compares to others' than in using it to illuminate our understanding
 about it.

  And Jim also said of Barry 'Barry told a silly little story about some
 western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead
 they were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts'. This was a cut
 and paste a friend sent to Barry from Sam Harris's book. It was an
 illustration that we can have experience which we misinterpret as
 enlightenment, but the story was part of a larger context in the book. I do
 think Barry was making a veiled reference to Jim, for Barry thinks Jim's
 enlightenment is faux enlightenment, and the story Sam Harris told was just
 that.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 wrote :

 Like a big so what

  I think it's you, Barry, who seems pre-occcupied with people's
 enlightenment.  A prime example is Jim's.  No one seems overly concerned
 about it, except for you.

  Again, with the story below, a big so what

  I think what you've forgotten Barry, is that the enlightenment game, the
 spiritual game still comes with all the same caveats as life.  Keep your
 eyes open, and bove all, take responsibility for your own life, material
 and spirtitual.

  It's not complicated.

  Oh, you're welcome. (-;


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@...
 wrote :

  Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL
 who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is.  :-)
 This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did
 all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way
 that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on
 Fairfield Life.




  



Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
 fleetwood_macncheese:

 these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve,

*According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone
strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out
the weeds.*

*http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html*
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html


*Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means
action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional
formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as
well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the
unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future
rebirth.*

*In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be
abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma
through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero.
When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no
return.*

*Reference:*

*'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'*
*Monier Monier-Williams*

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara',
 and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to,
 is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he
 describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened,
 but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or
 whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the
 environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with
 further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and
 emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from
 impenetrable objects, to playthings. After the samskaras begin to get
 transparent, the silence or light appears to subjectively imbue and
 penetrate every experience, inside and out - the outside world is now
 enlightened, to a degree - oneness predominates, UC. A bigger state of
 enlightenment; the universal motive force is felt and seen everywhere,
 governing everything -


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The Transcendental Everywhere

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*This is interesting but maybe not as interesting as the reports of alien
abduction. Buck probably had good intentions when he posted this at the
crack of dawn, but the whole paragraph is fatally flawed. The word
transcendentalism when describing TM is a contradiction in terms: TM is
what helps people go beyond or transcend all isms. *

*According to MMY, the Being is beyond the senses and transcendental to the
relative material existence. The Purusha is the Being, which is totally
separate from the Prakriti, the creation. Rocks do not have sentience -
only a living being is self-conscious and is able to awaken to unity
consciousness. There is no consciousness in nature which is composed of the
three constituents, the gunas. The I is an illusion. *

*If the earth was hollow, it would be the mind of Buddha - a void.It the
hollow earth had people in it, it would not be a void - it would be hell.
Go figure.*

**

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:03 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Even within Rocks.

 Fascinating. It seems these hypothesis [hollow earth] are mostly elaborate
 metaphors about transcendentalism in nature. The deeper inner that
 underlies the outer, the manifest and then the underlying unmanifest or
 transcendental realities.   Add an effective transcending meditation to
 their thinkings and they will directly know better that unified field they
 intuit that lays inside and under everything, that inner reality which is
 everything.   “Know This to be That Which You are Seeking”. It is beautiful
 really that the mind seeks the great metaphoric description even inside
 geology and a heap of rock that is the earth. These hollow earthers could
 be excited to come and study all these things in so many disciplines that
 are examined, studied and researched in our scientific and
 consciousness-based educational system we have here in Fairfield, Iowa.



 For a collaboration hows about a symposium:

 Transcendentalism, the Hallowed Earth and the Hollow Earthers ?

 http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html


 Let us meditate together,

 -Buck in the Dome


  



Re: [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The Transcendental Everywhere

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
You still have not retracted your accusation that an informant on this list
is a Nazi. You should do that before posting any more messages. Until you
apologize to the group, you will not be taken seriously because of your
slandering and lack of ethical or moral standing.



On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Well, Buck I got to admit, your mind ever revolves around the glory of TM
 and TMSP. And you are quite correct - the hollow earth followers WOULD be
 right at home in the Movement, cause the science that backs up TM is
 absolutely on a parr with the science that backs up the hollow earth belief.

   --
  *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 AM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The
 Transcendental Everywhere


  Even within Rocks.
 Fascinating. It seems these hypothesis [hollow earth] are mostly elaborate
 metaphors about transcendentalism in nature. The deeper inner that
 underlies the outer, the manifest and then the underlying unmanifest or
 transcendental realities.   Add an effective transcending meditation to
 their thinkings and they will directly know better that unified field they
 intuit that lays inside and under everything, that inner reality which is
 everything.   “Know This to be That Which You are Seeking”. It is beautiful
 really that the mind seeks the great metaphoric description even inside
 geology and a heap of rock that is the earth. These hollow earthers could
 be excited to come and study all these things in so many disciplines that
 are examined, studied and researched in our scientific and
 consciousness-based educational system we have here in Fairfield, Iowa.


 For a collaboration hows about a symposium:
 Transcendentalism, the Hallowed Earth and the Hollow Earthers ?
 http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

 Let us meditate together,
 -Buck in the Dome



   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:




 those who, while still human, seemed to possess so much compassion and
 clarity of mind that they were nearly flawless examples of the benefits of
 spiritual practice

 Name them please.


*Do they have Google Search where you live? Everyone by now who has read
anything about Sam Harris knows that his teacher was Dilgo Khyentse, (1910
– 1991), the famous Tibetan Buddhist.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 Sage advice. I like the bit about ending WW2 but I always thought it was
 GuruDev who did that with a yagya?


*Everyone knows that Tibetan Buddhists perform yagyas and numerous other
rites and ceremonies every single day dedicated to promoting world peace.
You sound prejudiced against Hindus. Go figure.*


 I always thought it was a shame that the TMO have obviously forgotten the
 words as super powers like that would come in mighty handy in these dark
 days. Doesn't stop them screwing money out of the faithful so they can
 allegedly keep trying I notice.


Non sequitur.


 I know you left it all deliberately unsaid and it was probably much more
 effective for that, but I'm enjoying the quotes and one day, when I'm not
 so busy, will sit down and give it a considered read.

  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:03 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.


You suck, troll.

The narrator suggests that Mahesh believes people can fly. This is, of
course, nonsense. Mahesh believes nothing of the kind. BUT he knows for a
certainty that people believe he can teach them to fly ... see the
difference. As con artists go, Mahesh gets very high (and dubious) marks?
- Sudarsha Namaskar



 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote
 one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts
 attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a
 difference of political opinions!


This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that
I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to
use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq.

He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not
even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same
character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow
the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist
killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq!

There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once
has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the
ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go
figure.

Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share.




   On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:






 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a
 free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular
 opinion.

 Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it
 seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem
 with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a
 problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so
 terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know
 everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I
 don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone
 deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent
 standard for nasty and inappropriate.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 I know you left it all deliberately unsaid and it was probably much more
 effective for that, but I'm enjoying the quotes and one day, when I'm not
 so busy, will sit down and give it a considered read.


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb wrote:



 No problemo. I thought it was a worthwhile read (and blessedly short!),
 and I think that there is much meat for discussion in the book. But if no
 one feels similarly, I'll just post occasional quotes here myself as
 drive-bys, to see if they get a reaction. Just did that with one of his
 quotes on mindfulness practice that I resonated with.

 I do admit to LOL-ing over occasional lines like numerology is where the
 intellect goes to die and Prophecy is also a very strong indication of
 chicanery or madness on the part of a teacher, and of stupidity among his
 students. Wish I'd said that first. :-)


*We are still LOL-ing at your Rama levitation claims - we're probably not
ready for Rama's Surfing the Himalayas that you helped write. Go figure.*





   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness practice on FFL

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or
 Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS.


Says the guy who has held a grudge against Judy Stein and Richard Williams
for over ten years. Is Barry on some kind of drug or what? He seems to be
almost in total dissociation from reality sometimes. Go figure.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 There was one section of Sam Harris' new book that resonated with me,
 because it described a type of mindfulness I've found myself practicing
 lately in the context of FFL -- screening out anger, so as no longer having
 to deal with that low mindstate, and get sucked into it. What he wrote was
 originally about meditation and how to deal with the daily cascade of our
 *own* thoughts and moods, but I found it also applicable to dealing with
 other people's moods on a discussion group such as this one:

 Breaking the Spell of Negative Emotions

 Most of us let our negative emotions persist longer than is necessary.
 Becoming suddenly angry, we tend to stay angry—and this requires that we
 actively produce the feeling of anger. We do this by thinking about our
 reasons for being angry—recalling an insult, rehearsing what we should have
 said to our malefactor, and so forth—and yet we tend not to notice the
 mechanics of this process. Without continually resurrecting the feeling of
 anger, it is impossible to stay angry for more than a few moments.

 While I can’t promise that meditation will keep you from ever again
 becoming angry, you can learn not to stay angry for very long. And when
 talking about the consequences of anger, the difference between moments and
 hours—or days—is impossible to exaggerate.

 I liked this, because it's kinda the way I live my life. I have an ongoing
 mini-mindfulness routine going on in my mind, almost a background
 process, that enables me to *notice* when I've dropped into a lower
 mindstate such as anger. On the rare occasions I become angry, I just allow
 this background process to wake me up a little, and then I gently move my
 attention to somewhere happier and more productive. As a result, I honestly
 can't remember a time in *years* in which I managed to stay angry for more
 than a couple of minutes, five minutes max.

 This may be one reason why Fairfield Life is a challenge from time to
 time, because it seems to be populated by people who do the exact opposite.
 When something makes them angry, they seem to do everything in their power
 to STAY angry. It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or
 Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS.

 And the fascinating thing is that they seem to believe that just because
 *they* prefer being angry to being happy, the people they're angry at owe
 it to them to prefer being angry, too. Days, weeks, months, and even years
 after they first became angry over something, they trot it out again in an
 attempt to jumpstart the original argument or insult, jumpstart the anger,
 make the anger mindstate lively in their minds again, and force the person
 they blame for that anger to participate in it as a kind of victim, so they
 can aim their jumpstarted anger at them again in the present, just as they
 did in the past.

 This strikes me as pretty much the opposite of mindfulness, and I finally
 got tired of it, so I just decided to write these people out of my life.
 And it works. I feel much better no longer having to interface with these
 anger junkies.

 On the other hand, past history makes me suspect that my approach may
 *not* be working as well for the dumpees. I would bet that a few of these
 people I've written off and chosen to ignore are even angrier at me now
 than they were before, as if I've somehow done something BAD to them by
 never reading anything they write. So -- since I know with near-absolute
 certainty that while I may not be reading their posts they're reading mine
 :-), for them I'll post the rest of Sam Harris' advice about the
 mindfulness of dealing with anger. May they learn something from it:

 Even without knowing how to meditate, most people have experienced having
 their negative states of mind suddenly interrupted. Imagine, for instance,
 that someone has made you very angry—and just as this mental state seems to
 have fully taken possession of your mind, you receive an important phone
 call that requires you to put on your best social face. Most people know
 what it’s like to suddenly drop their negative state of mind and begin
 functioning in another mode. Of course, most then helplessly grow entangled
 with their negative emotions again at the next opportunity.

 Become sensitive to these interruptions in the continuity of your mental
 states. You are depressed, say, but are suddenly moved to laughter by
 something you read. You are bored and impatient while sitting in traffic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge
 is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-:


*Yes, it's a funny old life when the moderator just lays back and does
nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually
indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now
I think a lot less of him than I used to. *

*So, when MJ calls Nabby a Nazi we get no objections except from the one
guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the
vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.*

*I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your
comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO.  I think you are chasing a
cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard. -
Curtis*

http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html




   On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve
 wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative
 posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a
 difference of political opinions!

 
 This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that
 I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to
 use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq.

 He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not
 even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same
 character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow
 the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist
 killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq!

 There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not
 once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not
 the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go
 figure.

 Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share.
 



   On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:






 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a
 free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular
 opinion.

 Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it
 seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem
 with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a
 problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so
 terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know
 everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I
 don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone
 deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent
 standard for nasty and inappropriate.













Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Eggg-cellent!


*You still have failed to apologized for calling Nabby a Nazi or to Dan
for equating TM practice with the Jewish holocaust. Why not?*



   --
  *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:03 PM
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over


  Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.

 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:



 Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be.
 None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness,
 megalomania and dangerous delusion straight from the horses mouth and who
 can deny it?

 Loved the reaction from Bevan and king Tony at the end, imagine someone
 not treating the guru with the same level of grovelling respect that he's
 used to! Imagine someone actually asking questions!

 I wish I'd taped the weekly press conferences, I'd have a mass of lectures
 that would keep a whole conference of psychiatrists busy for years. Both
 Marshy and Hagelin ranting for hours. And no, I never liked it, I saw the
 nice old tapes when I was on courses and enjoyed the sentiment even if I
 raised my eyebrows at the physics, but I believed in the enlightenment.

 Getting to work with the movement gives you an unfiltered version of what
 they want people to think it's all about. And the Marshy channel was superb
 for that, absolutely bonkers and highly worrying if you like to think about
 things rather than just accept it all as dogma. Probably an unintentionally
 good way of sorting out the true believers from the merely curious.

 I think it was probably the perfect man course that switched me right
 off. I'd never encountered anything like it, absolutely no justification
 for the theories given and no awareness that you have to show the workings
 out when you are proposing a radical new idea. Of course, to the Reesh and
 the devoted it was all simply The Truth. And merely by virtue of the fact
 he'd said it too.

 Nice to be reminded of what it was all about. Glad I stayed sane unlike
 poor old Bevan


So, how long did you mooch off the TMO? Apparently you never became a TM
Teacher, so what exactly was your position in the TM movement? Just be
honest.





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote :

 Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.


 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Richard, I know from experience that silence does not always indicate
 agreement. Sometimes it indicates that the post has not been read by the
 one who is being silent!


In a discussion, the participants are supposed to keep up with the
conversation. In this case, Rick did respond but in a very weak way and
gave the guy a pass, yet this same Rick Archer was bothered by my
over-posting. Go figure.


 I don't like the hyper negative comments. And I really don't like the
 comments that suggest violence. For reasons I've already shared.


*It doesn't seem to bother Rick, even when one of his own interviews is
trashed with slander and outright defamation.*

*I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. There would
be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral. - Edg*

BatGap Panel Discussion John Hagelin, Ph.D. Moderated by Rick Archer:
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg279404.html



 As for FFL being a vast, moral wasteland, we gotta be the change we
 wanna see. Otherwise we become a part of the violence.


*Now we need to get MJ to retract and apologize for posting that offensive
comment about Nabby being a Nazi. We should save that kind of talk for
our real enemies. I support Dan's objections. It is really a low point for
this group that nobody objects to equating a TMer with the Jewish
holocaust. Go figure.*





   On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:40 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm
 Lounge is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-:

 
 *Yes, it's a funny old life when the moderator just lays back and does
 nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually
 indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now
 I think a lot less of him than I used to. *

 *So, when MJ calls Nabby a Nazi we get no objections except from the one
 guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the
 vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.*

 *I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your
 comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO.  I think you are chasing a
 cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard. -
 Curtis*

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   On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, Richard Williams
 pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:





 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve
 wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative
 posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a
 difference of political opinions!

 
 This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that
 I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to
 use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq.

 He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not
 even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same
 character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow
 the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist
 killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq!

 There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not
 once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not
 the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go
 figure.

 Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share.
 



   On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
 [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:






 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a
 free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular
 opinion.

 Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it
 seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem
 with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a
 problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so
 terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know
 everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I
 don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone
 deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still

Re: [FairfieldLife] Or, Alternatively...

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*When are you going to retract and apologize for your low-brow Nazi
accusation to Nabby and Dan?*


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 If you want to hear what a nut Charlie Lutes was, listen to this lecture
 on the Harmonic Convergence

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbnU1_BLOU


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 Harmonic Convergence, Charlie Lutes - pt 1
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over

2014-09-16 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:






 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :



 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:



 Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be.
 None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness,
 megalomania and dangerous delusion straight from the horses mouth and who
 can deny it?

 Loved the reaction from Bevan and king Tony at the end, imagine someone
 not treating the guru with the same level of grovelling respect that he's
 used to! Imagine someone actually asking questions!

 I wish I'd taped the weekly press conferences, I'd have a mass of lectures
 that would keep a whole conference of psychiatrists busy for years. Both
 Marshy and Hagelin ranting for hours. And no, I never liked it, I saw the
 nice old tapes when I was on courses and enjoyed the sentiment even if I
 raised my eyebrows at the physics, but I believed in the enlightenment.

 Getting to work with the movement gives you an unfiltered version of what
 they want people to think it's all about. And the Marshy channel was superb
 for that, absolutely bonkers and highly worrying if you like to think about
 things rather than just accept it all as dogma. Probably an unintentionally
 good way of sorting out the true believers from the merely curious.

 I think it was probably the perfect man course that switched me right
 off. I'd never encountered anything like it, absolutely no justification
 for the theories given and no awareness that you have to show the workings
 out when you are proposing a radical new idea. Of course, to the Reesh and
 the devoted it was all simply The Truth. And merely by virtue of the fact
 he'd said it too.

 Nice to be reminded of what it was all about. Glad I stayed sane unlike
 poor old Bevan

 
 So, how long did you mooch off the TMO? Apparently you never became a TM
 Teacher, so what exactly was your position in the TM movement? Just be
 honest.

 My position? I was the guy at the back with the big smile. Until it wasn't
 funny anymore. Then I left.

 I never learned to fly either.

 
So, you mooched off the TMO for years, never became a TM teacher and never
took the TMSP. So, what did you do?





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 Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in.


 Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs
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