Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Gettin' off on the wheel

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Sundur
Hi Share,
 
Yes, quite exciting IMO.  Here's a funny twist.  My wife likes the radio play 
by play guy and so often listens in the kitchen.  There's about a 90 second 
delay between what is broadcast on the radio and what is shown on the TV.
 
So, I'm watching the game on TV, and in those few moments, feeling pretty bad 
about those two guys getting thrown out, and then she comes in and tells me 
no, he is safe as obstruction was ruled on the play, and the winning run 
counts.  Yay!
 
Son seems to feel he did better on all counts except perhaps math.  
 
Yea my friend is Red Sox fan all the way.  Dog's name was Bosox, Red Truck with 
Red Sox stuff all over it.  And yes, Military Police.  Two tours in Iraq.  
It'll all be good fun.
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:25 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Steve, it looks like the game last night had an exciting if controversial 
finish. Today's game should be a bit more intense in that context. Sounds like 
you enjoyed Breaking Bad. Hope second son had good success with ACT. MP I'm 
guessing means military police rather than member of Parliament.
Happy autumn to you all!  




On Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:36 PM, Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
  
  
Hi.  Well, to tell the truth, as I've often said, I don't watch much TV, but I 
got intrigued by all the buzz about Breaking Bad, and so I've been absorbed 
in watching all five seasons.  In fact, I've watched all but the final episode 
which I intend to watch shortly.
 
Other than that, it's pretty much been business as usual.  
 
Divvying up World Series tickets among customers and employees is always quite 
a task.  The kids are going tonight, and I go tomorrow with a customer who is 
like the ultimate Red Sox fan, so that should be fun.  Luckily for him, he is 
ex MP, so that may come in handy for him.  Employee is taking another customer 
on Monday.  
 
Younger son took his ACT test a second time today.  Trying to bring it up close 
to 30 from 25 on the first round.  He felt pretty embarrassed by that low 
score, and so has been pretty self motivated the last couple weeks.



On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:35 AM, sharelon...@yahoo.com 
sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Steve, not so fast! Tell us what's happening down St. Louis way. How's the 
family, the business, etc? 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Great way to start the morning! Thanks for that.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


 I've never really understood those seekers who want to get off the
 wheel, meaning the endless cycle of life, death, rebirth, and karma.
 I've always thought that people who have this as their goal in life just
 never learned how much fun you can have with a wheel. This video is for
 them.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eBw4wxzzA 

OMG, another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIthWLdF3sE 


   

   

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Gettin' off on the wheel

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Sundur
Well, the umpires in baseball are consulting much more now, which they really 
hadn't done in the past, and it has been positive, I think.  And next year they 
are going to some video reviews, which I also think is good.  But what I don't 
see changing for a long time, are the balls and strikes.
 
I was just reading  a passage from a book by Ken Carey from many years ago, who 
said that professional sports are really quite positive in that they channel 
much of aggression we have as humans into a positive direction.  That is, into 
an organized competition with rules that have been agreed upon.
 
That makes sense to me.  What do you think? 



On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
  
  
Hi Share,
 
Yes, quite exciting IMO.  Here's a funny twist.  My wife likes the radio play 
by play guy and so often listens in the kitchen.  There's about a 90 second 
delay between what is broadcast on the radio and what is shown on the TV.
 
So, I'm watching the game on TV, and in those few moments, feeling pretty bad 
about those two guys getting thrown out, and then she comes in and tells me 
no, he is safe as obstruction was ruled on the play, and the winning run 
counts.  Yay!
 
Son seems to feel he did better on all counts except perhaps math.  
 
Yea my friend is Red Sox fan all the way.  Dog's name was Bosox, Red Truck with 
Red Sox stuff all over it.  And yes, Military Police.  Two tours in Iraq.  
It'll all be good fun.
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:25 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Steve, it looks like the game last night had an exciting if controversial 
finish. Today's game should be a bit more intense in that context. Sounds like 
you enjoyed Breaking Bad. Hope second son had good success with ACT. MP I'm 
guessing means military police rather than member of Parliament.
Happy autumn to you all!  




On Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:36 PM, Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
  
  
Hi.  Well, to tell the truth, as I've often said, I don't watch much TV, but I 
got intrigued by all the buzz about Breaking Bad, and so I've been absorbed 
in watching all five seasons.  In fact, I've watched all but the final episode 
which I intend to watch shortly.
 
Other than that, it's pretty much been business as usual.  
 
Divvying up World Series tickets among customers and employees is always quite 
a task.  The kids are going tonight, and I go tomorrow with a customer who is 
like the ultimate Red Sox fan, so that should be fun.  Luckily for him, he is 
ex MP, so that may come in handy for him.  Employee is taking another customer 
on Monday.  
 
Younger son took his ACT test a second time today.  Trying to bring it up close 
to 30 from 25 on the first round.  He felt pretty embarrassed by that low 
score, and so has been pretty self motivated the last couple weeks.



On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:35 AM, sharelon...@yahoo.com 
sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Steve, not so fast! Tell us what's happening down St. Louis way. How's the 
family, the business, etc? 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Great way to start the morning! Thanks for that.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


 I've never really understood those seekers who want to get off the
 wheel, meaning the endless cycle of life, death, rebirth, and karma.
 I've always thought that people who have this as their goal in life just
 never learned how much fun you can have with a wheel. This video is for
 them.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eBw4wxzzA 

OMG, another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIthWLdF3sE 


   

   

   

  
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Gettin' off on the wheel

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Sundur
I understand what you are saying, but taking the big picture, it makes sense to 
me.  Of course there will always be incidents, but overall, reading that (Ken 
Carey's deal), sort of changed my perspective some.
 
I don't know if I see the connection with mass shootings.  I will concede that 
abuse of women does sometimes spike in places where that home team loses a big 
game. But I'm a little more kindly disposed to pro sports now, than I was 
previously.
 
The one sport where you still have out and out fights is hockey.  But they are 
moderating that some.  My son says that many of those fights are not a result 
of anger per se, but rather, one team trying to break the momentum of the 
other team.  I challenged him on that, and he provided some pretty good 
evidence to back up his position.



On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Steve, I think that's a good point about athletics allowing for aggressive 
tendencies to be expressed in a relatively safe way. Yet our society continues 
to have mass shootings, etc. And I think soccer matches are known for the crowd 
riots afterwards. It seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. One thing for sure, LOTS 
of money involved!





On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Well, the umpires in baseball are consulting much more now, which they really 
hadn't done in the past, and it has been positive, I think.  And next year they 
are going to some video reviews, which I also think is good.  But what I don't 
see changing for a long time, are the balls and strikes.

I was just reading  a passage from a book by Ken Carey from many years ago, who 
said that professional sports are really quite positive in that they channel 
much of aggression we have as humans into a positive direction.  That is, into 
an organized competition with rules that have been agreed upon.

That makes sense to me.  What do you think?  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:


Hi Steve, you got me thinking about the challenges of being a referee in sports 
what with instant reply, etc. Wonder if Robotic Referees are in our future! Go, 
Cards and hope you guys have fun today (-:





On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... wrote:
  
  
Hi Share,
 
Yes, quite exciting IMO.  Here's a funny twist.  My wife likes the radio play 
by play guy and so often listens in the kitchen.  There's about a 90 second 
delay between what is broadcast on the radio and what is shown on the TV.
 
So, I'm watching the game on TV, and in those few moments, feeling pretty bad 
about those two guys getting thrown out, and then she comes in and tells me 
no, he is safe as obstruction was ruled on the play, and the winning run 
counts.  Yay!
 
Son seems to feel he did better on all counts except perhaps math.  
 
Yea my friend is Red Sox fan all the way.  Dog's name was Bosox, Red Truck with 
Red Sox stuff all over it.  And yes, Military Police.  Two tours in Iraq.  
It'll all be good fun.
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:25 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  
Steve, it looks like the game last night had an exciting if controversial 
finish. Today's game should be a bit more intense in that context. Sounds like 
you enjoyed Breaking Bad. Hope second son had good success with ACT. MP I'm 
guessing means military police rather than member of Parliament.
Happy autumn to you all!  




On Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:36 PM, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... wrote:
  
  
Hi.  Well, to tell the truth, as I've often said, I don't watch much TV, but I 
got intrigued by all the buzz about Breaking Bad, and so I've been absorbed 
in watching all five seasons.  In fact, I've watched all but the final episode 
which I intend to watch shortly.
 
Other than that, it's pretty much been business as usual.  
 
Divvying up World Series tickets among customers and employees is always quite 
a task.  The kids are going tonight, and I go tomorrow with a customer who is 
like the ultimate Red Sox fan, so that should be fun.  Luckily for him, he is 
ex MP, so that may come in handy for him.  Employee is taking another customer 
on Monday.  
 
Younger son took his ACT test a second time today.  Trying to bring it up close 
to 30 from 25 on the first round.  He felt pretty embarrassed by that low 
score, and so has been pretty self motivated the last couple weeks.



On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:35 AM, sharelong60@... sharelong60@... 
wrote:
  
  
Steve, not so fast! Tell us what's happening down St. Louis way. How's the 
family, the business, etc? 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Great way to start the morning! Thanks for that.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


 I've never really understood those seekers who want to get off

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Gettin' off on the wheel

2013-10-26 Thread Steve Sundur
Hi.  Well, to tell the truth, as I've often said, I don't watch much TV, but I 
got intrigued by all the buzz about Breaking Bad, and so I've been absorbed 
in watching all five seasons.  In fact, I've watched all but the final episode 
which I intend to watch shortly.
 
Other than that, it's pretty much been business as usual.  
 
Divvying up World Series tickets among customers and employees is always quite 
a task.  The kids are going tonight, and I go tomorrow with a customer who is 
like the ultimate Red Sox fan, so that should be fun.  Luckily for him, he is 
ex MP, so that may come in handy for him.  Employee is taking another customer 
on Monday.  
 
Younger son took his ACT test a second time today.  Trying to bring it up close 
to 30 from 25 on the first round.  He felt pretty embarrassed by that low 
score, and so has been pretty self motivated the last couple weeks.



On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:35 AM, sharelon...@yahoo.com 
sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Steve, not so fast! Tell us what's happening down St. Louis way. How's the 
family, the business, etc? 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Great way to start the morning! Thanks for that.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


 I've never really understood those seekers who want to get off the
 wheel, meaning the endless cycle of life, death, rebirth, and karma.
 I've always thought that people who have this as their goal in life just
 never learned how much fun you can have with a wheel. This video is for
 them.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eBw4wxzzA 

OMG, another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIthWLdF3sE 


  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
Oh wow, have a look at this.  What is the image that comes to mind?  Someone 
emerging from the shadows, shaking a bony finger, BEWARE, BEWARE, this woman 
is DANGEROUS.  DANGEROUS I say.
 
Glad to see that Ann is treating you like a real adult here s3rapitha.  
 
Evidently Ann believes Share is capable of casting a spell on people, and  so 
must be appropriately warned.  What a head shaker.
 
My advice, Do what thou wilt, is the whole of the law
 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
 
You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I 
should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun 
to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being 
subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with 
regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th 
person is!

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people whom I characterized as 
having nothing interesting to say and as being so out of control that they  
flood the forum with their garbage have followed up on my *single* post with a 
total of *fifteen* posts.  In not one of them did any of them offer to cut down 
on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted to shoot the messenger 
and avoid any responsibility for their own actions. I'd say that they made my 
point about trying to dominate the forum for me.  The bottom line on this is 
clear -- these five posters contributed only slightly less that HALF THE 
TOTAL POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this week, and the next, 
and the week after that. And they  don't think there's a problem with that, or 
with forcing other people to wade through their crap.  I'm simply making the 
point that the phenomenon of  people leaving FFL is **NOT** due to Neo, but 
to a  few people who simply cannot
 control their motormouths, and who feel they have the right to subject other 
people to post after post after post after post after post...whatever they want 
to post, whenever they want to post it.   I'll stop talking about this now, 
because unlike them *I* can control myself.   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past 
  potentially offensive posts, how can domination 
  occur in any significant way?
 
 Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless
 
 You think free to. Others here think have to.
 
 It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last
 Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more 
 than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 
 of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. 
 
 That is, long experience has taught these people 
 that there is nothing to be gained from reading 
 any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are 
 free to disregard them by scrolling past them.
 
 But this means that in any given week we have to 
 scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. 
 There comes a time when the desire for the occasional 
 gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it 
 any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts 
 (noise). 
 
 Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to 
 be able (or willing) to control themselves. When 
 it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such 
 as was described so well by s3raphita earlier:
 
  And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are 
  simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . 
  Outstanding post!
  Ha-ha!
  Thanks for that link
  Did you forget to take your medics today?
  You sir are a complete prat
  YAWN . . . 
 
 Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a 
 LOT of people bailing from FFL. 
 
 And it WON'T be because of Neo.
 
 That, dear lady, is domination.


 


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
This is Judy's specialty - her x-ray vision at work.  She had the unique 
ability to discern Curtis' true motives in all instances, and now with Share.  
 
Nothing new here.  Keep moving along folks.  
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
Ann wrote to Seraphita:

Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 



You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.

Thank you. I was mentally composing the same post, but you beat me to it.
  


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
that's good MJ.  I wonder who she fashions herself after?
 
EQUISTRIAN LADY  Possesses more horse sense that anyone in the universe!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
Ann, are you a former reader of Marvel Comics by any chance?

 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  


  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 

You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I 
should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun 
to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being 
subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with 
regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th 
person is!

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people whom I characterized as 
having nothing interesting to say and as being so out of control that they  
flood the forum with their garbage have followed up on my *single* post with a 
total of *fifteen* posts.  In not one of them did any of them offer to cut down 
on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted to shoot the messenger 
and avoid any responsibility for their own actions. I'd say that they made my 
point about trying to dominate the forum for me.  The bottom line on this is 
clear -- these five posters contributed only slightly less that HALF THE 
TOTAL POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this week, and the next, 
and the week after that. And they  don't think there's a problem with that, or 
with forcing other people to wade through their crap.  I'm simply making the 
point that the phenomenon of  people leaving FFL is **NOT** due to Neo, but 
to a  few people who simply cannot
 control their motormouths, and who feel they have the right to subject other 
people to post after post after post after post after post...whatever they want 
to post, whenever they want to post it.   I'll stop talking about this now, 
because unlike them *I* can control myself.   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past 
  potentially offensive posts, how can domination 
  occur in any significant way?
 
 Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless
 
 You think free to. Others here think have to.
 
 It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last
 Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more 
 than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 
 of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. 
 
 That is, long experience has taught these people 
 that there is nothing to be gained from reading 
 any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are 
 free to disregard them by scrolling past them.
 
 But this means that in any given week we have to 
 scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. 
 There comes a time when the desire for the occasional 
 gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it 
 any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts 
 (noise). 
 
 Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to 
 be able (or willing) to control themselves. When 
 it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such 
 as was described so well by s3raphita earlier:
 
  And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are 
  simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . 
  Outstanding post!
  Ha-ha!
  Thanks for that link
  Did you forget to take your medics today?
  You sir are a complete prat
  YAWN . . . 
 
 Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a 
 LOT of people bailing from FFL. 
 
 And it WON'T be because of Neo.
 
 That, dear lady, is domination.


   


Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
Beautiful, beautiful.  I wonder how that will play in Peoria, or wherever.  And 
if she doesn't, she doesn't, then Judy has a new addition to her list.

That's how it works folks.  Illustrated beautifully here.



 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
 


  
Steve whined:

This is Judy's specialty - her x-ray vision at work.  She had the unique 
ability to discern Curtis' true motives in all instances, and now with Share.



Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet;she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.  


Nothing new here.  Keep moving along folks.  

From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Ann wrote to Seraphita:

Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 



You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.

Thank you. I was mentally composing the same post, but you beat me to it.



Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
Judy, Stop! Stop!, your blind spot is showing.  It's the unless.  Goodness 
gracious, no body can spin that word as you do.  (btw, was that correct grammar 
to use as in this case, instead of like)  Ah, thank Winston for that.  



 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
If she doesn't, she doesn't, period. No then (unless she starts attacking us 
for having a different view of Share than she does, but I don't think that's 
likely). 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Beautiful, beautiful.  I wonder how that will play in Peoria, or wherever.  And 
if she doesn't, she doesn't, then Judy has a new addition to her list.

That's how it works folks.  Illustrated beautifully here.



 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
 


  
Steve whined:

This is Judy's specialty - her x-ray vision at work.  She had the unique 
ability to discern Curtis' true motives in all instances, and now with Share.



Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet;she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.  


Nothing new here.  Keep moving along folks.  

From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Ann wrote to Seraphita:

Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 



You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.

Thank you. I was mentally composing the same post, but you beat me to it.





Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
I guess spell check doesn't work on all caps.  D'oh!



 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


that's good MJ.  I wonder who she fashions herself after?
 
EQUISTRIAN LADY  Possesses more horse sense that anyone in the universe!!

It's spelled E-Q-U-E-S-T-R-I-A-N silly Steve. And where did I say Share casts 
spells on anyone? She is simply got a tad more anger and more personal issues 
than immediately hit the naked eye as many of us have discovered.  Share, 
although seeming so benign and friendly harbours as much venom in there as 
(gasp) Barry. It is interesting that it is primarily the women who recognize 
this first. You're still bringin' up the rear, so to speak, on this one so I 
don't expect you to agree. 

From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Ann, are you a former reader of Marvel Comics by any chance?


From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 


  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 

You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I 
should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun 
to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being 
subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with 
regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th 
person is!


From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people 
whom I characterized as having nothing interesting 
to say and as being so out of control that they 
flood the forum with their garbage have followed up 
on my *single* post with a total of *fifteen* posts.  In not one of them did 
any of them offer to cut down 
on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted 
to shoot the messenger and avoid any responsibility 
for their own actions. I'd say that they made my point 
about trying to dominate the forum for me.  The bottom line on this is clear 
-- these five posters 
contributed only slightly less that HALF THE TOTAL 
POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this 
week, and the next, and the week after that. And they 
don't think there's a problem with that, or with forcing 
other people to wade through their crap.  I'm simply making the point that the 
phenomenon of 
people leaving FFL is **NOT** due to Neo, but to a 
few people who simply cannot control their motormouths, 
and who feel they have the right to subject other 
people to post after post after post after post after 
post...whatever they want to post, whenever they want 
to post it.  I'll stop talking about this now, because unlike them 
*I* can control myself. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past 
  potentially offensive posts, how can domination 
  occur in any significant way?
 
 Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless
 
 You think free to. Others here think have to.
 
 It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last
 Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more 
 than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 
 of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. 
 
 That is, long experience has taught these people 
 that there is nothing to be gained from reading 
 any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are 
 free to disregard them by scrolling past them.
 
 But this means that in any given week we have to 
 scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. 
 There comes a time when the desire for the occasional 
 gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
thanks Judy.  glad your universal template is working.  and yes, get that 
meditation checked.  I don't the broad comprehension part of it has been 
working for some time.  either that, or take a walk to the beach, and let you 
thoughts just expand out.  


From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
Steve werfled: 

Judy, Stop! Stop!, your blind spot is showing.  It's the unless.  Goodness 
gracious, no body can spin that word as you do.

WTF are you talking about?? Have you had your coffee yet? Did you have a bad 
night? Because you sure haven't been making much sense this morning.

Maybe you should schedule your White Knight Share Defense duties for later in 
the day when you have your wits (I use the term loosely) about you.

  (btw, was that correct grammar to use as in this case, instead of like)  
Ah, thank Winston for that.  





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
If she doesn't, she doesn't, period. No then (unless she starts attacking us 
for having a different view of Share than she does, but I don't think that's 
likely). 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Beautiful, beautiful.  I wonder how that will play in Peoria, or wherever.  And 
if she doesn't, she doesn't, then Judy has a new addition to her list.

That's how it works folks.  Illustrated beautifully here.



 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
 


  
Steve whined:

This is Judy's specialty - her x-ray vision at work.  She had the unique 
ability to discern Curtis' true motives in all instances, and now with Share.



Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet;she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.  


Nothing new here.  Keep moving along folks.  

From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Ann wrote to Seraphita:

Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 



You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.

Thank you. I was mentally composing the same post, but you beat me to it.





 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-01 Thread Steve Sundur
ocean walk Judy. ocean walk.



 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 
28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 


  
Translation: I don't know what the hell I meant. I couldn't think of anything 
relevant to say, so I just typed in some words that I thought might look like I 
had something in mind. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


thanks Judy.  glad your universal template is working.  and yes, get that 
meditation checked.  I don't the broad comprehension part of it has been 
working for some time.  either that, or take a walk to the beach, and let you 
thoughts just expand out.  


From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
Steve werfled: 

Judy, Stop! Stop!, your blind spot is showing.  It's the unless.  Goodness 
gracious, no body can spin that word as you do.

WTF are you talking about?? Have you had your coffee yet? Did you have a bad 
night? Because you sure haven't been making much sense this morning.

Maybe you should schedule your White Knight Share Defense duties for later in 
the day when you have your wits (I use the term loosely) about you.

  (btw, was that correct grammar to use as in this case, instead of like)  
Ah, thank Winston for that.  





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
If she doesn't, she doesn't, period. No then (unless she starts attacking us 
for having a different view of Share than she does, but I don't think that's 
likely). 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Beautiful, beautiful.  I wonder how that will play in Peoria, or wherever.  And 
if she doesn't, she doesn't, then Judy has a new addition to her list.

That's how it works folks.  Illustrated beautifully here.



 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
 


  
Steve whined:

This is Judy's specialty - her x-ray vision at work.  She had the unique 
ability to discern Curtis' true motives in all instances, and now with Share.



Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet;she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.  


Nothing new here.  Keep moving along folks.  

From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
 
  
Ann wrote to Seraphita:

Keep posting away Share. I, for one, enjoy your input. I can't understand why 
you get so much negative and vulgar feedback from other FFLifers. If someone 
disagrees with you by all means let him point out your errors, but the vitriol 
seems overdone. 



You'll figure it out sooner rather than later, especially if you are female as 
I suspect you are. And you're smart so it won't take long. It may seem strange 
and unwarranted but you'd have to do some research over the last year to really 
'get' it. 'Nuff said.

Thank you. I was mentally composing the same post, but you beat me to it.









Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-09-30 Thread Steve Sundur
I guess what you are also saying is that your posting is the standard by 
which other posts should be judged.  Interesting.
 


 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
Basically you are showing a lack of reserve which is what the corporate world 
would call it.  Your posts tend to be impulsive.  We been critical in the past 
of this kind of OCD posting.  If anything TM should produce a quality of 
reserve for people.  Apparenlty for some it doesn't and I think I know why.  
On 09/30/2013 01:46 PM, Share Long wrote:  
  
turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I 
should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun 
to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being 
subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with 
regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th 
person is! 

 

 


 From: turquoiseb mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
 
  
Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people whom I characterized as 
having nothing interesting to say and as being so out of control that they  
flood the forum with their garbage have followed up on my *single* post with a 
total of *fifteen* posts.  In not one of them did any of them offer to cut 
down on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted to shoot the 
messenger and avoid any responsibility for their own actions. I'd say that 
they made my point about trying to dominate the forum for me.  The bottom 
line on this is clear -- these five posters contributed only slightly less 
that HALF THE TOTAL POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this week, 
and the next, and the week after that. And they  don't think there's a problem 
with that, or with forcing other people to wade through their crap.  I'm 
simply making the point that the phenomenon of  people leaving FFL is 
**NOT** due to Neo, but to a  few people who simply cannot
 control their motormouths, and who feel they have the right to subject other 
people to post after post after post after post after post...whatever they want 
to post, whenever they want to post it.   I'll stop talking about this now, 
because unlike them *I* can control myself.   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb mailto:no_reply@... wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: And 
lastly, as long as one is free to scroll pastpotentially offensive posts, 
how can dominationoccur in any significant way?Turq's Monday 
Morning Free Clue To The CluelessYou think free to. Others here think 
have to.It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last  Friday's 
Post Count as an example, there are more   than a few on the forum who would 
categorize 421   of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. That is, long 
experience has taught these people   that there is
 nothing to be gained from reading   any of these posts. Fortunately, as you 
say, we are   free to disregard them by scrolling past them.But this 
means that in any given week we have to   scroll past easily half of all 
posts on the forum.   There comes a time when the desire for the occasional   
gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it   any more because of the 
sheer bulk of the other posts   (noise). Especially because the 
noise-posters don't seem to   be able (or willing) to control themselves. When 
  it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such   as was described so 
well by s3raphita earlier: And bear in mind that a lot of the messages 
aresimple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . .
Outstanding post!   Ha-ha!   Thanks for that link   Did you forget 
to take your medics today?   You sir are a complete prat   YAWN . . .  
   Bottom line is that you're going to
 start seeing a   LOT of people bailing from FFL. And it WON'T be 
because of Neo.That, dear lady, is domination. 


Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-29 Thread Steve Sundur
I don't recall anything about addiction in Initiation.  The big take away for 
me in Initiation, other than the interesting background on what times were like 
(at least supposedly) during the high period of the Pharaohs, is that there is 
a danger in pushing your spiritual development beyond what your body is 
prepared for.  And, as is the case in so many instances, her downfall had to 
due with not first fully processing her sexual life.  Of course it turned out 
okay in the end, if you take into account a few thousand years.
 
Well, as for TD and one point about addictions, in the case of alcohol, he 
points that there is something akin to spirits connected with that substance, 
that helps drive the addiction.
 
Are you familiar with that book?
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Steve, was there anything in Initiation about addiction? Or about when the soul 
enters the body? What's one point from Thinking and Destiny that you 
appreciated?

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
that does sound right.  and as I recall, when the discussion of this book came 
up before, many years ago, I was more confident that the modality put forth in 
the book could be effective.  and as I recall, I was pretty well blasted for 
that.  I think that a substance addiction such as that is much more difficult 
to kick.  
 
and I think, as you say, that a gambling addiction is also nothing to trifle 
with.  winning, then losing, then wanting to make it back.  quite a cycle.
 
metaphysical literature always has some interesting things to say about some of 
the behind scenes forces of addiction.  I am thinking now, primarily of what 
I've read in Thinking and Destiny by Harold Percival.
 
P.S. We just saw the movie Prisoners  I recommend it.
 
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Steve, I think even the behavioral addictions like gambling have a chemical 
component. Meaning that the behavior releases and or stimulates certain 
chemicals in the brain that produce a good feeling. But I would think that the 
direct chemical addictions like cocaine might be beyond whether or not one is 
told the supply is unlimited. I often tell my Mom that it's not that she 
doesn't have will power. It's that a little sugar in the morning will create a 
craving that will continue all day long. Does this make sense?

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Hey Judy, sorry for any nastiness.  Seraphita's analysis of the book touched on 
some of the reasons I did like the book.  Addiction issues have always been of 
interest to me, maybe because those tendencies run in my family, although more 
along an OC vein.
 
What I enjoyed about Diary of Drug Fiend was again, something Sera touched on - 
that cocaine and heroin can have some beneficial applications.  And also, one 
technique brought to light in the book was that removing the taboo on taking 
the drugs, could help mitigate some of the addictive hold of the drugs.
 
Now, perhaps in the long term, or even short term that will not work, but I 
find it an interesting idea, and one that I employ on occasion with regard to 
some tendencies I have.
 
I mean that is nothing new.  Telling someone that can't have something only 
increases the desire to have it. If they can suddenly have it in unlimited 
amounts, then, it may lesson the desire.  As for an addiction, perhaps not, but 
that was the premise of the book, IIRC.  Plus the story line was kind of 
interesting
 
Having said that, that is about the only piece in the Crowley list of writings 
that I have really looked in a more than cursory fashion.  
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Seraphita wrote:  
From:authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Steve wrote:  
Like Sera said,

(Sera??)

maybe delve

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-29 Thread Steve Sundur

 


 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Re Steve Sundur's  Hey Judy, sorry for any nastiness. Seraphita's analysis of 
the book touched on some of the reasons I did like the book.  Addiction issues 
have always been of interest to me . . . when the discussion of this book came 
up before, many years ago, I was more confident that the modality put forth in 
the book could be effective.:

If we are still talking about Crowley's Diary of a Drug Fiend, I mentioned 
above that he himself never lost his heroin habit. The drug was prescribed for 
his asthma so maybe he never had a fighting chance to stay clean. 

Curiously, I used the Beast's ideas when I quit smoking. The gist of Crowley's 
thinking here is that when a man (say) decides to stop a drug habit (let's say 
smoking) his surface consciousness comes up with lots of reasons - my clothes 
stink/it's an expensive habit/I'm coughing up phlegm/ . . . - but his deeper 
nature (his True Will) is actually rather keen on puffing away. The man has set 
up an uneven contest that he's destined to lose.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
 
Aleister Crowley
 
(I guess, one his more notable quotes, although I think I've gotten a little 
fuzzy about its meaning)

When I stopped smoking I did two things. First I decided to only stop for a 
week. That way it couldn't be any worse than having a dose of flu and there 
wouldn't be that nagging, horrid thought I will never again know the pleasure 
of inhaling on a cigarette. Secondly, as I've always been inordinately curious 
about whatever takes my fancy doesn't that suggest inordinate curiosity is part 
of my True Will? So I thought, I'll treat the experience of going cold turkey 
as if I'd just ingested a novel, experimental drug and I had to keep track and 
report back on what the effects were. In other words, I made the quitting into 
a game - and a game that would just be a short, sharp shock. At the end of the 
week I'd (more-or-less) sailed through the adventure and I knew I'd never smoke 
a cigarette again. Hey, maybe I should set up shop as an addiction counsellor!  
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (was Re: Breaking Bad finale conspiracy theories)

2013-09-29 Thread Steve Sundur

 



From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   Give me Thor saying, Here is what to do to gain a pure heart and mind, and, 
well,  I'M LISTENING TO THAT SHIT, yup, sucking it down like it was soma.

Are you really so clueless about this?  Don't you think it has everything to do 
with continued and conscientious, inner work?


 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (was Re: Breaking Bad finale conspiracy theories)

2013-09-29 Thread Steve Sundur
sure.  maybe he'll oblige you. 
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (was Re: Breaking Bad 
finale conspiracy theories)
  
 
   
 
I'd rather take lessons from Thor too, actually. 
 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (was Re: Breaking Bad 
finale conspiracy theories)
  
  

 



From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   Give me Thor saying, Here is what to do to gain a pure heart and mind, and, 
well,  I'M LISTENING TO THAT SHIT, yup, sucking it down like it was soma.

Are you really so clueless about this?  Don't you think it has everything to do 
with continued and conscientious, inner work?

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
Like Sera said, maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before 
you make a snap judgment. Diary of a Drug Fiend was one I found very 
insightful.
 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Seraphita wrote:
 
Re As to Crowley...eee.:


authfriend have you ever actually read any of Crowley's books? Don't believe 
the bollocks the normals say about him.

I haven't read any of his books, actually. I have, however, copyedited several 
books about various occult topics that quoted him extensively, and the 
personality that came across always just set my teeth on edge. I have no idea 
if the authors of these books were normals, but they weren't denouncing him 
or anything. I'm also sort of allergic to that whole area of modern occultism. 
Sorry if I've impugned a hero of yours!

Tell you what. I don't want to spend any $$ on his books without previewing 
them, but if you'll give me a few titles you like and they're available for 
Kindle, I'll download samples and  have a look at those. If any of them appeal, 
I'll consider buying and reading one. Deal?

Here is your man. I think I am having a hard time taking him seriously. Does 
this make me shallow to judge him on his garb? Or the fact that he would wear 
this in all seriousness?
Sorry, image won't copy, you'll have to check him out in the picture with 
headdress a la King Tut.

http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aleister_Crowley,_Golden_Dawn.jpg


   
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur

 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Steve wrote:  
Like Sera said,

(Sera??)

maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before you make a snap 
judgment.

Did Ann delve into any of his writings, to any depth? Or did she say she'd 
been turned off by his ridiculous garb in the photo she posted? I don't blame 
her, frankly. How could anybody who'd be willing to be photographed in a getup 
like that possibly have anything to say that one would want to take seriously?
 
You're funny Judy.  I hope your m o in life is working for you.  Somewhere 
along the way I've learned to look beyond superficial appearances to make 
judgments about people.  But as they say, whatever works for ya.  
 
Do you think you could be accused of not seeing the forest for the trees?  I 
predict some day you may be a case study for such an affliction. (what was it I 
once preached?) - broad comprehension with the ability to focus sharply
 
Hey, have you had your meditation check recently?
 
 
But if Seraphita thinks he's worth reading, as I said, I'm willing to give him 
at least a preliminary shot by checking out a Kindle sample. But there's too 
much still to be read in the world to spend time on him if he doesn't grab me 
right away.

Diary of a Drug Fiend was one I found very insightful.

Seraphita, would you recommend this one? I think it's available for Kindle.


 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Seraphita wrote:
 
Re As to Crowley...eee.:


authfriend have you ever actually read any of Crowley's books? Don't believe 
the bollocks the normals say about him.

I haven't read any of his books, actually. I have, however, copyedited several 
books about various occult topics that quoted him extensively, and the 
personality that came across always just set my teeth on edge. I have no idea 
if the authors of these books were normals, but they weren't denouncing him 
or anything. I'm also sort of allergic to that whole area of modern occultism. 
Sorry if I've impugned a hero of yours!

Tell you what. I don't want to spend any $$ on his books without previewing 
them, but if you'll give me a few titles you like and they're available for 
Kindle, I'll download samples and  have a look at those. If any of them appeal, 
I'll consider buying and reading one. Deal?

Here is your man. I think I am having a hard time taking him seriously. Does 
this make me shallow to judge him on his garb? Or the fact that he would wear 
this in all seriousness?
Sorry, image won't copy, you'll have to check him out in the picture with 
headdress a la King Tut.

http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aleister_Crowley,_Golden_Dawn.jpg


 
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
Well Ann, I guess you can dismiss the value of someone by their appearance, or 
you can scratch beneath the surface and see if there might be something more 
there.
 
You know, it's the old adage about appearances being misleading.  
 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Like Sera said, maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before 
you make a snap judgment. Diary of a Drug Fiend was one I found very 
insightful.

My post was pretty much a joke but let's take this further and just say if I 
walked into a seminar hall and found a speaker dressed like this I might have 
to turn around and and leave but only after letting out a rather hearty guffaw. 
(Of course, I might also assume he merely wandered out of bed having forgotten 
to change out of his pajamas.)



http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Unleashing_the_Beast.htm




 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Seraphita wrote:
 
Re As to Crowley...eee.:


authfriend have you ever actually read any of Crowley's books? Don't believe 
the bollocks the normals say about him.

I haven't read any of his books, actually. I have, however, copyedited several 
books about various occult topics that quoted him extensively, and the 
personality that came across always just set my teeth on edge. I have no idea 
if the authors of these books were normals, but they weren't denouncing him 
or anything. I'm also sort of allergic to that whole area of modern occultism. 
Sorry if I've impugned a hero of yours!

Tell you what. I don't want to spend any $$ on his books without previewing 
them, but if you'll give me a few titles you like and they're available for 
Kindle, I'll download samples and  have a look at those. If any of them appeal, 
I'll consider buying and reading one. Deal?

Here is your man. I think I am having a hard time taking him seriously. Does 
this make me shallow to judge him on his garb? Or the fact that he would wear 
this in all seriousness?
Sorry, image won't copy, you'll have to check him out in the picture with 
headdress a la King Tut.

http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aleister_Crowley,_Golden_Dawn.jpg


 
 

Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
I have been following the feedback on the Yahoo Groups comment site.  Yahoo 
gives lip service to this notion of  we value your input.  It is evident that 
it is only lip service.  There is one lady in particular, Owl who is leading 
the charge to get Yahoo to return to the familiar format.  It doesn't seem to 
be working out.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
  
   
 
the only way I have been able to check these posts is because I have them sent 
to my yahoo e-mail account - trying to use the FFL group page itself is 
ridiculous.

 


 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 
UTC
  
  
Yeah, Neo has driven me away, certainly. It's a disaster. I can no longer 
follow discussions or even see who the author of a particular post is. Yahoo 
could not have done better if they had deliberately gone out to sabotage the 
group. Every single change made is for the worse. It's a pity because I have 
enjoyed this group since it started in 2001. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yesterday I was thinking about and missing all the people who have drifted 
away, especially since Neo. Also, I hope the abundance of my posting hasn't 
driven anyone away. I am aiming for 10 or less per day and for at least some 
humor with all the conflicts.

Good plan. And perhaps aim at forming one complete thought before posting.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC
  
  
 Why should Rick Archer host this
site any longer for mostly fractious, abusive and unpleasant postings
by a few people flooding the content with their personal animosities. 
 
Popular Science magazine just shut
down online comments to stories on its website. 
Disabling comments, The magazine
says rude or insulting comments have been shown to skew readers’
understanding of articles and drives away readership. 
 
Interviewing with Fairfieldlife at
yahoo-goups [FFL] members out on the sidewalks and in the coffee houses and 
cafes of Fairfield, Iowa who
no longer read FFL, they say the culture of animosity and incivility
of Rick Archer's list drives them away from reading it.   A few people who
have taken over FFL have driven away the community of what once was.  It is a 
common complaint of the old readership.
-Buck 
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Can I be the first to congratulate authfriend and Share for breaking through 
the 100 barrier. They put the rest of us slackers to shame with our miserly 
inputs. The 852 messages total works out to about five messages an hour during 
the week. Five messages doesn't sound too onerous to deal with. And bear in 
mind that a lot of the messages are simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, 
such as . . . 
Outstanding post!
Ha-ha!
Thanks for that link
OR
Did you forget to take your medics today?
You sir are a complete prat
YAWN . . . 
. . . we are in their debt. Let us try harder in weeks to come.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote:
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 
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turquoiseb  56 awoelflebater 52 doctordumbass 47 Bhairitu  41 s3raphita 39 
dhamiltony2k5 31 Michael Jackson  28 cardemaister 25 jr_esq 20 anartaxius 17 
Jason  16 obbajeeba  16 Steve Sundur  16 Emily Reyn  9 j_alexander_stanley 9 
Mike Dixon  8 waspaligap  7 merudanda  6 Rick Archer  5 srijau 5 punditster  4 
emptybill 4 WLeed3 4 Dick Mays  3 bobpriced 2 wleed3  2 punditster 2 iranitea  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
A very good analogy, IMO.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?
  
   
 
Card, I like Maharishi's analogy of bad karma being like a bill that comes due. 
Say the bill is for $100.  If you've been doing TM, etc. then you have $1000 in 
the bank and it's not a pinch to pay that bill. Otherwise, you have only $10 in 
the bank so it is quite a pinch to pay it. The bill is the exact same amount. 
But its impact is quite different depending on the amount in one's *savings 
account.*  

 


 From: cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?
  
  
Does meditation and especially yogic flying somehow speed up the ripening  of
karma (both positive and negative)?

IMU, there are quite a lot of active yogic flyers in Japan. So, does Japan have
lots of dark karma associated particularly with nuclear fission, and stuff??
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
In a nutshell, how did he do that?  Or is there a link to the post where Buck 
goes into that.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
   
 
John, IMO, if anyone can unite the different factions of the TMO, Dr. Nader is 
that person. He reminds me of that Sanskrit saying: in the vicinity of yoga, 
hostile tendencies dissipate. And Buck has told us how he resolved the 
challenge about Maharishi's will.

 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
Share,

Thanks for the additional information.  King Tony has more credentials than I 
thought.  So, it would appear that MMY chose him for his qualifications and 
accomplishments.  But I would also guess that MMY saw something in his jyotish 
chart that would give him the support of Nature in administering the TMO. 

If King Tony has enemies within the organization, who are they and how 
successful are they in their intrigues? 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
John, Dr. Nader received his MD from American Univ in Beirut  where he also 
studied internal medicine and psychiatry. His PhD from MIT is in Brain and 
Cognitive Science. He did post doc work in Neurology at Mass Gen Hospital, 
Harvard Medical School. With all this, he is a very humble person and radiates 
a full heart. 

 


 From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
 D Hamilton,

I have not met King Tony in person.  Based on the videos I've seen of him, he 
appears to be a devoted follower of MMY.  Since he's a Phd, I would guess that 
he's a very smart guy.  Also, it appears that he's generally a nice guy. 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 Junior, You been with the guy?  Does his energy field have some
shakti with it?  Hard to tell because he is evidently not available. 
You been with him?  Or, is he just a Raja?  Just wondering.
-Buck
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 That is fine but clearly some changes are in store for the
program and may be some addendum to the practice.  Does that go
beyond an administrator and take a guru to do with the TM teaching in time? 
-Buck 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
D Hamilton,

IMO, Maharishi was saying that Guru Dev is the teacher of the TM Movement.  
And, King Tony has been designated as the ruler of the TM Movement.  His main 
duty is to spread the teachings based on the wisdom from Guru Dev and the vedic 
interpretations that MMY has provided for the world. 

IOW, King Tony does not have to be a guru.  He is the administrator of the TM 
Movement. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 It is an interesting thing
that Maharishi in succession planning left no guru behind, but Rajas. There is 
some mystique of folklore around Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam. Maharaja Adhiraj 
Rajaraam [MAR] having been kept by Maharishi
incubating spiritually in the basement at Vlodrop, and Maharaja
Adhiraj Rajaraam [MAR] also in Being worth his weight in gold. 
Is he guru material?  Anybody here have a feeling that he is?  Just wondering.
-Buck
 
 

In the East to be a real guru it seems you need to be three things: scholarly 
with chops in traditional texts, knowledgeable about and with spiritual 
techniques to teach, and then having an elemental shaktipat to help people 
spiritually with. If with most the three things then you're ascending to real 
Guru status. If you're really good with all three, then Satguru.    

Shaktipat,  “refers into the conferring of spiritual energy upon one person 
by another. Shaktipat can be transmitted with a sacred word or mantra, or by a 
look, thought or touch -” 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
In the East to be a real
guru it seems you need to be three things: scholarly with chops in
traditional texts, knowledgeable about and with spiritual techniques
to teach, and then having an elemental shaktipat to help people
spiritually with.   If with most the three things then you're ascending
to real Guru status.  If you're really good with all three, then Satguru.     

Shaktipat,
 “refers
into the conferring of spiritual energy upon one person
by another. Shaktipat can
be transmitted with a sacred word or mantra,
or by a look, thought or touch -”


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Shaktipat,
 “refers
into the conferring of 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
Hey Judy, sorry for any nastiness.  Seraphita's analysis of the book touched on 
some of the reasons I did like the book.  Addiction issues have always been of 
interest to me, maybe because those tendencies run in my family, although more 
along an OC vein.
 
What I enjoyed about Diary of Drug Fiend was again, something Sera touched on - 
that cocaine and heroin can have some beneficial applications.  And also, one 
technique brought to light in the book was that removing the taboo on taking 
the drugs, could help mitigate some of the addictive hold of the drugs.
 
Now, perhaps in the long term, or even short term that will not work, but I 
find it an interesting idea, and one that I employ on occasion with regard to 
some tendencies I have.
 
I mean that is nothing new.  Telling someone that can't have something only 
increases the desire to have it. If they can suddenly have it in unlimited 
amounts, then, it may lesson the desire.  As for an addiction, perhaps not, but 
that was the premise of the book, IIRC.  Plus the story line was kind of 
interesting
 
Having said that, that is about the only piece in the Crowley list of writings 
that I have really looked in a more than cursory fashion.  
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Seraphita wrote:  
From:authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Steve wrote:  
Like Sera said,

(Sera??)

maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before you make a snap 
judgment.

Did Ann delve into any of his writings, to any depth? Or did she say she'd 
been turned off by his ridiculous garb in the photo she posted? I don't blame 
her, frankly. How could anybody who'd be willing to be photographed in a getup 
like that possibly have anything to say that one would want to take seriously?
 
You're funny Judy.  I hope your m o in life is working for you.  Somewhere 
along the way I've learned to look beyond superficial appearances to make 
judgments about people.  But as they say, whatever works for ya.  

You know, I've been reading voraciously for most of my life, and there's still 
gobs and gobs of stuff I have yet to get to. How do I choose?  I don't have 
that much time left. Somebody who looks like a pretentious asshole is less 
likely to be worth my while. Maybe I'm wrong in any given case, but I have to 
have some way of beginning to narrow down my choices.

You might want to give me a break, though, because I've found your enthusiasm 
for Crowley convincing enough to be willing to look further than that photo 
(for that matter, your apologia for the photo was enough to make me think twice 
about it) and the extensive quotes I told you I'd read. I even asked you for a 
recommendation of one of Crowley's books. I can't say I'm wildly excited at the 
prospect, but I'm willing togive it a shot. Seems like that counts for nothing 
with you.

Do you think you could be accused of not seeing the forest for the trees?

Not legitimately, no. I make my own decisions about which is more important to 
speak to in any particular case. Sometimes people get offended if they disagree 
with one of those decisions when one or the other is a pet concern of theirs 
and I've addressed the opposite. But in most cases I've looked at both before 
deciding which one to deal with.

I've found that frequently if the trees are, shall we say, misidentified, that 
translates into an off-kilter forest; other times, the trees really don't 
matter much. It's a judgment call, and YMMV in any given instance. That's OK; 
we don't all have to have the same priorities.

I predict some day you may be a case study for such an affliction.

I haven't been insulting you, Seraphita (at least not intentionally).  What's 
the story here? Why the nastiness?


 (what was it I once preached?) - broad comprehension with the ability to 
focus sharply

 
Hey, have you had your meditation check recently?
 
 
But if Seraphita thinks he's worth reading, as I said, I'm willing to give him 
at least a preliminary shot by checking out a Kindle sample. But there's too 
much still to be read in the world to spend time on him if he doesn't grab me 
right away.

Diary of a Drug Fiend was one I found very insightful.

Seraphita, would you recommend this one? I think it's available for Kindle.


 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Seraphita wrote:
 
Re As to Crowley...eee.:


authfriend have you ever 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
No, that is plenty good.  But, when money and assets are involved, I'd be 
inclined to think the Shank's input would be sort of useless.
 
  


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
   
 
Steve, Buck reported that Dr. Nader suggested that the situation with 
Maharishi's will be taken to the Shankaracharya. And he upheld Maharishi's will 
as naming Dr. Nader as his heir. Sorry, the Neo archives are very difficult to 
work with. It was some time ago. But if I can find it I'll pass along.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
In a nutshell, how did he do that?  Or is there a link to the post where Buck 
goes into that.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
John, IMO, if anyone can unite the different factions of the TMO, Dr. Nader is 
that person. He reminds me of that Sanskrit saying: in the vicinity of yoga, 
hostile tendencies dissipate. And Buck has told us how he resolved the 
challenge about Maharishi's will.

 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
Share,

Thanks for the additional information.  King Tony has more credentials than I 
thought.  So, it would appear that MMY chose him for his qualifications and 
accomplishments.  But I would also guess that MMY saw something in his jyotish 
chart that would give him the support of Nature in administering the TMO. 

If King Tony has enemies within the organization, who are they and how 
successful are they in their intrigues? 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
John, Dr. Nader received his MD from American Univ in Beirut  where he also 
studied internal medicine and psychiatry. His PhD from MIT is in Brain and 
Cognitive Science. He did post doc work in Neurology at Mass Gen Hospital, 
Harvard Medical School. With all this, he is a very humble person and radiates 
a full heart. 

 


 From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
 D Hamilton,

I have not met King Tony in person.  Based on the videos I've seen of him, he 
appears to be a devoted follower of MMY.  Since he's a Phd, I would guess that 
he's a very smart guy.  Also, it appears that he's generally a nice guy. 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 Junior, You been with the guy?  Does his energy field have some
shakti with it?  Hard to tell because he is evidently not available. 
You been with him?  Or, is he just a Raja?  Just wondering.
-Buck
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 That is fine but clearly some changes are in store for the
program and may be some addendum to the practice.  Does that go
beyond an administrator and take a guru to do with the TM teaching in time? 
-Buck 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
D Hamilton,

IMO, Maharishi was saying that Guru Dev is the teacher of the TM Movement.  
And, King Tony has been designated as the ruler of the TM Movement.  His main 
duty is to spread the teachings based on the wisdom from Guru Dev and the vedic 
interpretations that MMY has provided for the world. 

IOW, King Tony does not have to be a guru.  He is the administrator of the TM 
Movement. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 It is an interesting thing
that Maharishi in succession planning left no guru behind, but Rajas. There is 
some mystique of folklore around Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam. Maharaja Adhiraj 
Rajaraam [MAR] having been kept by Maharishi
incubating spiritually in the basement at Vlodrop, and Maharaja
Adhiraj Rajaraam [MAR] also in Being worth his weight in gold. 
Is he guru material?  Anybody here have a feeling that he is?  Just wondering.
-Buck
 
 

In the East to be a real guru it seems you need to be three things: scholarly 
with chops in traditional texts, knowledgeable about and with spiritual 
techniques to teach, and then having an elemental shaktipat to help people 
spiritually with. If with most the three things then you're ascending to real 
Guru status. If you're really good

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
It appears to me that corruption is more rampant in India than just about any 
other emerging country.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
   
 
I guess it would depend on how much separation of govt and religion there is in 
India.
 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
 
  
No, that is plenty good.  But, when money and assets are involved, I'd be 
inclined to think the Shank's input would be sort of useless.




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
Steve, Buck reported that Dr. Nader suggested that the situation with 
Maharishi's will be taken to the Shankaracharya. And he upheld Maharishi's will 
as naming Dr. Nader as his heir. Sorry, the Neo archives are very difficult to 
work with. It was some time ago. But if I can find it I'll pass along.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
In a nutshell, how did he do that?  Or is there a link to the post where Buck 
goes into that.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
John, IMO, if anyone can unite the different factions of the TMO, Dr. Nader is 
that person. He reminds me of that Sanskrit saying: in the vicinity of yoga, 
hostile tendencies dissipate. And Buck has told us how he resolved the 
challenge about Maharishi's will.

 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
Share,

Thanks for the additional information.  King Tony has more credentials than I 
thought.  So, it would appear that MMY chose him for his qualifications and 
accomplishments.  But I would also guess that MMY saw something in his jyotish 
chart that would give him the support of Nature in administering the TMO. 

If King Tony has enemies within the organization, who are they and how 
successful are they in their intrigues? 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
John, Dr. Nader received his MD from American Univ in Beirut  where he also 
studied internal medicine and psychiatry. His PhD from MIT is in Brain and 
Cognitive Science. He did post doc work in Neurology at Mass Gen Hospital, 
Harvard Medical School. With all this, he is a very humble person and radiates 
a full heart. 

 


 From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Boy, did Maharishi get that one right!
  
  
 D Hamilton,

I have not met King Tony in person.  Based on the videos I've seen of him, he 
appears to be a devoted follower of MMY.  Since he's a Phd, I would guess that 
he's a very smart guy.  Also, it appears that he's generally a nice guy. 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 Junior, You been with the guy?  Does his energy field have some
shakti with it?  Hard to tell because he is evidently not available. 
You been with him?  Or, is he just a Raja?  Just wondering.
-Buck
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 That is fine but clearly some changes are in store for the
program and may be some addendum to the practice.  Does that go
beyond an administrator and take a guru to do with the TM teaching in time? 
-Buck 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
D Hamilton,

IMO, Maharishi was saying that Guru Dev is the teacher of the TM Movement.  
And, King Tony has been designated as the ruler of the TM Movement.  His main 
duty is to spread the teachings based on the wisdom from Guru Dev and the vedic 
interpretations that MMY has provided for the world. 

IOW, King Tony does not have to be a guru.  He is the administrator of the TM 
Movement. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 It is an interesting thing
that Maharishi in succession planning left no guru

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
that does sound right.  and as I recall, when the discussion of this book came 
up before, many years ago, I was more confident that the modality put forth in 
the book could be effective.  and as I recall, I was pretty well blasted for 
that.  I think that a substance addiction such as that is much more difficult 
to kick.  
 
and I think, as you say, that a gambling addiction is also nothing to trifle 
with.  winning, then losing, then wanting to make it back.  quite a cycle.
 
metaphysical literature always has some interesting things to say about some of 
the behind scenes forces of addiction.  I am thinking now, primarily of what 
I've read in Thinking and Destiny by Harold Percival.
 
P.S. We just saw the movie Prisoners  I recommend it.
 
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Steve, I think even the behavioral addictions like gambling have a chemical 
component. Meaning that the behavior releases and or stimulates certain 
chemicals in the brain that produce a good feeling. But I would think that the 
direct chemical addictions like cocaine might be beyond whether or not one is 
told the supply is unlimited. I often tell my Mom that it's not that she 
doesn't have will power. It's that a little sugar in the morning will create a 
craving that will continue all day long. Does this make sense?

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Hey Judy, sorry for any nastiness.  Seraphita's analysis of the book touched on 
some of the reasons I did like the book.  Addiction issues have always been of 
interest to me, maybe because those tendencies run in my family, although more 
along an OC vein.
 
What I enjoyed about Diary of Drug Fiend was again, something Sera touched on - 
that cocaine and heroin can have some beneficial applications.  And also, one 
technique brought to light in the book was that removing the taboo on taking 
the drugs, could help mitigate some of the addictive hold of the drugs.
 
Now, perhaps in the long term, or even short term that will not work, but I 
find it an interesting idea, and one that I employ on occasion with regard to 
some tendencies I have.
 
I mean that is nothing new.  Telling someone that can't have something only 
increases the desire to have it. If they can suddenly have it in unlimited 
amounts, then, it may lesson the desire.  As for an addiction, perhaps not, but 
that was the premise of the book, IIRC.  Plus the story line was kind of 
interesting
 
Having said that, that is about the only piece in the Crowley list of writings 
that I have really looked in a more than cursory fashion.  
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Seraphita wrote:  
From:authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Steve wrote:  
Like Sera said,

(Sera??)

maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before you make a snap 
judgment.

Did Ann delve into any of his writings, to any depth? Or did she say she'd 
been turned off by his ridiculous garb in the photo she posted? I don't blame 
her, frankly. How could anybody who'd be willing to be photographed in a getup 
like that possibly have anything to say that one would want to take seriously?
 
You're funny Judy.  I hope your m o in life is working for you.  Somewhere 
along the way I've learned to look beyond superficial appearances to make 
judgments about people.  But as they say, whatever works for ya.  

You know, I've been reading voraciously for most of my life, and there's still 
gobs and gobs of stuff I have yet to get to. How do I choose?  I don't have 
that much time left. Somebody who looks like a pretentious asshole is less 
likely to be worth my while. Maybe I'm wrong in any given case, but I have to 
have some way of beginning to narrow down my choices.

You might want to give me a break, though, because I've found your enthusiasm 
for Crowley convincing enough to be willing to look further than that photo 
(for that matter, your apologia for the photo was enough to make me think twice 
about it) and the extensive quotes I told you I'd read. I even asked you for a 
recommendation of one of Crowley's books. I can't say I'm wildly excited at the 
prospect, but I'm willing togive it a shot. Seems like that counts for nothing

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur
I agree, that the accumulation of good karma can have no connection to the 
practice of TM.  Or it can.  Just as there are many ways to accumulate money. 
(or waste money for that matter)
 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?
  
   
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Card, I like Maharishi's analogy of bad karma being like a bill that comes due. 
Say the bill is for $100.  If you've been doing TM, etc. then you have $1000 in 
the bank and it's not a pinch to pay that bill. Otherwise, you have only $10 in 
the bank so it is quite a pinch to pay it. The bill is the exact same amount. 
But its impact is quite different depending on the amount in one's *savings 
account.*  

Dream on. So by doing TM, etc. (whatever the etc. means) you are gaining good 
karma? And you believe this exactly why? I really, really believe that spending 
20 minutes or half an hour or an hour soothing and rescuing abused and homeless 
animals (or tending to those who are lonely or afraid in some precarious 
situation in their lives) far outweighs sitting with your eyes closed repeating 
a meaningless sound. Sorry, but it has yet to be proven to my satisfaction that 
practicing TM is doing one damn thing for the planet. Thus, no good karmic 
payload in any imaginary bank.

 


 From: cardemaister@... cardemaister@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Japan's karma?
  
  
Does meditation and especially yogic flying somehow speed up the ripening  of
karma (both positive and negative)?

IMU, there are quite a lot of active yogic flyers in Japan. So, does Japan have
lots of dark karma associated particularly with nuclear fission, and stuff??
 
 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-28 Thread Steve Sundur

 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:




From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  
Steve wrote:  
Like Sera said,

(Sera??)

maybe delve a little deeper into some of his writings before you make a snap 
judgment.

Did Ann delve into any of his writings, to any depth? Or did she say she'd 
been turned off by his ridiculous garb in the photo she posted? I don't blame 
her, frankly. How could anybody who'd be willing to be photographed in a getup 
like that possibly have anything to say that one would want to take seriously?
 
You're funny Judy.  I hope your m o in life is working for you.  Somewhere 
along the way I've learned to look beyond superficial appearances to make 
judgments about people.  But as they say, whatever works for ya.  
 
Do you think you could be accused of not seeing the forest for the trees?  I 
predict some day you may be a case study for such an affliction. (what was it I 
once preached?) - broad comprehension with the ability to focus sharply
 
Hey, have you had your meditation check recently?

Hey Stevie, how come you're getting your knickers in a twist over this?
Let me look down there.  I hadn't been aware of that.
 It was me who started out blithely commenting on Crowley's get ups. 
Yes, I was aware of that.
I was only half serious. 
Yes, I was aware of that.
If you read Seraphita's explanation of why she likes how he dressed and what it 
signifies to her I agree with much of what she said. 
I don't recall that.
On the other hand, in this day and age and where I am within myself right now I 
also find it hilariously ridiculous how he layered it on so thickly with his 
'ethnic' garb. On one level I admire him his individuality and what he was 
fighting against in Victoria society but viewed from the 21st C it is also 
comical (in the way that looking at the hair bands in the 80's dressed is.)
Sounds good to me.
 Now go get your meditation checked.
Seems to be working pretty well.  Well except for the Now this is how we will 
meditate, easily morning and evening.  D'oh!
 
 
But if Seraphita thinks he's worth reading, as I said, I'm willing to give him 
at least a preliminary shot by checking out a Kindle sample. But there's too 
much still to be read in the world to spend time on him if he doesn't grab me 
right away.

Diary of a Drug Fiend was one I found very insightful.

Seraphita, would you recommend this one? I think it's available for Kindle.


 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Seraphita wrote:
 
Re As to Crowley...eee.:


authfriend have you ever actually read any of Crowley's books? Don't believe 
the bollocks the normals say about him.

I haven't read any of his books, actually. I have, however, copyedited several 
books about various occult topics that quoted him extensively, and the 
personality that came across always just set my teeth on edge. I have no idea 
if the authors of these books were normals, but they weren't denouncing him 
or anything. I'm also sort of allergic to that whole area of modern occultism. 
Sorry if I've impugned a hero of yours!

Tell you what. I don't want to spend any $$ on his books without previewing 
them, but if you'll give me a few titles you like and they're available for 
Kindle, I'll download samples and  have a look at those. If any of them appeal, 
I'll consider buying and reading one. Deal?

Here is your man. I think I am having a hard time taking him seriously. Does 
this make me shallow to judge him on his garb? Or the fact that he would wear 
this in all seriousness?
Sorry, image won't copy, you'll have to check him out in the picture with 
headdress a la King Tut.

http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aleister_Crowley,_Golden_Dawn.jpg


   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Sundur
I don't really care to elaborate, cuz I'm a little fatigued, but having been 
present at the birth of my three kids, I picked up different impressions of 
their mindsets about the whole affair of their being born.  It could be 
entirely subjective but certain things stood out for each of them.
 
And as mentioned before, after being the coach during the birth of the first 
one, I was glad to relinquish that responsibility for #2 and #3, and be more of 
a bystander.
 
One other comment.  I don't think there is a thing wrong being in a hospital, 
and hooked up to all kinds of monitors, as opposed to, say being born in a 
bathtub, or in salt water with dolphins.  
 
The hospital setting is a warm environment, and more importantly safe.  It can 
be rough sometimes getting that baby out in a healthy fashion.
 


 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
  
   
 
Somehow, I'm not seeing how it would be possible for a soul to intentionally 
intend to be aborted, since the preservation of one's own life is so ingrained 
in our very being, an evolutionary force so to speak. What a slippery slope to 
start down, fetal suicide. Kind of goes against anything the Buddha taught 
about all sentient beings. It's not just reasonable to have high intentions, 
it's essential. Once you start lowering the standard for life, it will be 
easier to lower it again and again and again. Do we want to evolve in the 
direction of life or in the direction of death?
 
 


From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
 
  
Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable.  Because 
it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to 
burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high 
intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. 
 
 


From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn
 
  
Seraphita wrote: 
(snip)
 
Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul 
chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is 
going to abort? : 
 
because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its 
future progress but it couldn't know in  advance that the mother would later 
freely choose to abort. 
 
OooK... 
 
As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to 
do the balancing act required for that one to work out. 
 
Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the 
Gita) 

   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Usual Kind of Contribution

2013-09-25 Thread Steve Sundur
beautiful.  great way to start a day!
 
our next door neighbor has a pit bull ( and a boxer).  pit bull is not the 
friendliest, but after a chicken (unspiced) snack, she always consents to give 
me a few kisses. 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Usual Kind of Contribution
  
   
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/cadence-pit-bull-rescue_n_3975652.html 
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Senator Ted Cruz Attempts to Hold the Country as Hostage

2013-09-25 Thread Steve Sundur
Hey John,
 
Meant to ask you, (and keep in mind I am pretty clueless about all things 
jyotish or astrological), do we assume that whatever negative effects we might 
experience here, in the northern hemisphere, from a debilitated sun, would be 
the opposite of what would be experienced in the southern hemisphere, from an 
ascendant sun?
 
So, in this instance, we might expect more cooperative government down there?
 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Senator Ted Cruz Attempts to Hold the Country as 
Hostage
  
   
 
He's planning to filibuster his way through Congress to get his conservative 
agenda.  If he succeeds, the federal government will be shutdown.  By the way, 
this could also make or break his ambition to be the next president of the US.

http://news.yahoo.com/cruz-vows-speak-till-cant-against-obamacare-190418833--finance.htmlhttp://
   
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Usual Kind of Contribution

2013-09-25 Thread Steve Sundur
yea, well in other countries a popular dish is fettucini alfido.  and I have 
seen cook books in other countries, A Hundred Ways to Wok Your Dog, so I'm 
not sure what to make of any of that. (-:
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Usual Kind of Contribution
  
   
 
In other countries, they keep the chickens alive, for the eggs, and eat the 
dogs. Can't say I ever tried kissing a chicken, though.

  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
beautiful.  great way to start a day!

our next door neighbor has a pit bull ( and a boxer).  pit bull is not the 
friendliest, but after a chicken (unspiced) snack, she always consents to give 
me a few kisses. 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Usual Kind of Contribution
  
  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/cadence-pit-bull-rescue_n_3975652.html 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
Oh, that was a classic.  Wait, do you hear something?  Kind of like someone 
running ready to barge in here.

Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a 
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was 
projecting. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544 



 --- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:
 
 Good lord, (E)hare, don't humiliate yourself by invoking 
 Mr. Spock's logic. You wouldn't recognize logic if it  
 stuck its fingers up your nose. 

  --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:
  
  (D)udy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can 
  I  possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your  
  logic is weak.
  
   From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
   
   Share tried a blather instead of a blither: 
   
   I have no control over which posts of mine you read,  
   Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your  
   time on FFL.
   
   I don't believe I said you did, Share.
   
   What you do have control over is whether you ask  
   stupid questions.
   
   Oh, wait...
   


 
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
Steve bleated:



Oh, that was a classic.  Wait, do you hear something?  Kind of like someone 
running ready to barge in here.

Yup. I wasn't trying to justify Ravi's lie in either of the posts Jason linked 
to. I never tried to justify it and in fact condemned it in other posts.

Good.  Glad to hear that Judy.  That would have been a tough one to spin.  
Guess my recollection was a little off.

Seems both Jason and Steve are a little confused about what actually went on 
during that episode.



Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a 
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was 
projecting. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544 


 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
sign recently seen: if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
   
 
emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!

 


 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ...This is just an iteration of the 
old protestant/roman catholictheology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o 
god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna 
change.Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to 
the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo.However the pride of the evil 
one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, 
Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology.More interesting 
is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station 
because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down 
to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one 
other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out 
of unconquerable love, he subsistsupon the last command of this true love  
be gone!The Sufi's insist this is
 a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you come to 
the weeping Jesusin your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of 
filth!  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it  “has been 
the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family  since the world 
began… it was through Pride that the devil became the  devil: Pride leads to 
every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it  is his pride—an 
unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to  be a charity case even 
when faced with his own impending death—that  starts him on the path toward 
manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst  that leads to all of Walter’s other 
sins.  Read more:  'The Theology of Breaking Bad' 
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/ 
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
You've got to wonder how many people owe Judy an apology on this forum?  And 
how many owe her more than one? Maybe a hundred and a thousand!
 
Judy, are you by chance keeping a tally?
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving 
Whole Foods)
  
   
 
Oh, what a stinging rebuke...

(Notice no apology from Share for her incredibly dense misunderstanding. Now, 
that's balance for you.)  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
And being balanced in any way isn't your best thing, Judy. 

 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole 
Foods)
  
  
You're wrong again, Share. Thinking isn't your best thing.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Right, Judy and you just happened to bring it up after I had written HuffPost. 
It had absolutely nothing to do with that. I don't think so!

 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
It's so very hard to believe the stupidity isn't a put-on.

Hate to burst your Stupid Bubble, Share, but I wasn't suggesting you should put 
a definite article before HuffPo. You shouldn't. My comment referred to the 
fact that you frequently do leave out the definite article where you SHOULD 
have one, yet you boast of having taken this advanced grammar course.

She isn't going to get it. I know she isn't going to get it. There just aren't 
enough brain cells to accommodate something this complicated. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Judy wrote  apparently forgot she did: Did this grammar course teach you to 
leave out the definite article? Because I had written: One of my favorite 
courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The 
errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me.
Ok, this exchange happened under the Lucid Dreaming thread. I guess that's why 
Judy thinks it was imaginary!


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
I'd say it was, Oh, how quickly they imagine things that never happened!  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh how quickly they forget!
 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
Which FFL editor would that be, Share?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Very bad, turq. According to FFL Editor, you're supposed to say THE HuffPost! 
Faite attention, s'il vous plait!

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
snipI posted a link to a funny article in
HuffPost about Whole Foods. Only a few people here commented (thanks) on how 
funny it was.   Instead, within six posts Judy had adopted  an argumentative 
tone in a thread about a  funny article, and within eleven posts she was 
calling someone a liar. At last count  there were 137 posts in the thread, 
*most*  of them about the tempest in a pisspot she  created and then refused to 
let die.   Can you say shifting context? Can you say Doing it for your own 
petty, self-serving reasons? I think you can.  
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
actually my employee saw it over the weekend at a store called Gringo Jones 
near where he lives.  Gringo Jones is kind of a funky store.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
   
 
Steve, there are certain places in the US where I wouldn't drive with that on 
my car's bumper sticker! Was that sign by any chance in front of a gambling 
casino?!

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
sign recently seen: if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!

 


 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the 
old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o 
god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change. 
Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the 
sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the pride of the evil 
one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, 
Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting 
is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station 
because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down 
to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one 
other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out 
of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love  
be gone! The Sufi's insist
 this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you 
come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile 
of filth!   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins.  Read more:  'The Theology of 
Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/ 

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur
oh, okay.  but I've noticed that you seem to be the only one who regularly 
brings this up. maybe it is a matter of upbringing, although I thought mine was 
pretty traditional with regard to manners and such.  (obviously my grammar and 
writing structure has taken a turn for the worse)

  


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving 
Whole Foods)
  
   
 
I guess it's just my instinct--the way I was brought up--to apologize if I've 
gotten something as badly wrong as Share did (and often does). It's not really 
a matter of owing an apology so much as noticing who has that instinct and 
who doesn't.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
You've got to wonder how many people owe Judy an apology on this forum?  And 
how many owe her more than one? Maybe a hundred and a thousand!
 
Judy, are you by chance keeping a tally?
 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving 
Whole Foods)
  
  
Oh, what a stinging rebuke...

(Notice no apology from Share for her incredibly dense misunderstanding. Now, 
that's balance for you.)  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
And being balanced in any way isn't your best thing, Judy. 

 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole 
Foods)
  
  
You're wrong again, Share. Thinking isn't your best thing.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Right, Judy and you just happened to bring it up after I had written HuffPost. 
It had absolutely nothing to do with that. I don't think so!

 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
It's so very hard to believe the stupidity isn't a put-on.

Hate to burst your Stupid Bubble, Share, but I wasn't suggesting you should put 
a definite article before HuffPo. You shouldn't. My comment referred to the 
fact that you frequently do leave out the definite article where you SHOULD 
have one, yet you boast of having taken this advanced grammar course.

She isn't going to get it. I know she isn't going to get it. There just aren't 
enough brain cells to accommodate something this complicated. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Judy wrote  apparently forgot she did: Did this grammar course teach you to 
leave out the definite article? Because I had written: One of my favorite 
courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The 
errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me.
Ok, this exchange happened under the Lucid Dreaming thread. I guess that's why 
Judy thinks it was imaginary!


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
I'd say it was, Oh, how quickly they imagine things that never happened!  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh how quickly they forget!
 


 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
Which FFL editor would that be, Share?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Very bad, turq. According to FFL Editor, you're supposed to say THE HuffPost! 
Faite attention, s'il vous plait!

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)
  
  
snip I posted a link to a funny article in
HuffPost about Whole Foods. Only a few people 
here commented (thanks) on how funny it was.  Instead, within six posts Judy 
had adopted 
an argumentative tone in a thread about a 
funny article, and within eleven posts she 
was calling someone a liar. At last count 
there were 137 posts in the thread, *most* 
of them about the tempest in a pisspot she 
created and then refused to let die.  Can you say shifting context? Can you 
say 
Doing it for your own petty, self-serving 
reasons? I think you can.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Earth

2013-09-22 Thread Steve Sundur
great find.  had never heard of the place
 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is Earth
  
   
 
It just doesn't look that way. It's an island where a third of its plant and 
animal life is found nowhere else on the planet. Cool. 



http://www.binscorner.com/pages/s/strange-plants-of-socotra-island.html?z=10 
   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

2013-09-22 Thread Steve Sundur
Finally, something original!

Holy mother Ganges!! You must have really offended both of 
them (Barry  Judy).

I wonder what exactly you did, for both of them to shun you.


 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Autumn Equinox Is Today

2013-09-22 Thread Steve Sundur
at least a prediction was made before the event for a change
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Autumn Equinox Is Today
  
   
 
John wrote:  

(snip)
Given the circumstances that are going on in Washington DC, it appears that the 
federal government (represented by the Sun) is about to fall due to power 
struggles by our politicians.


Tell us you're funning, John. You can't seriously believe this, can you?

If so, then I can reassure you: No, the government is not going to fall.
   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle

2013-09-21 Thread Steve Sundur
can you give example of this?
 


 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
   
 
The only interesting answers are those which destroy the question. - Susan 
Sontag

Sometimes, finding an answer to a question forces you to redefine the terms of 
the question, or think differently about their relations to each other. These 
are the really interesting answers: The ones that make you change the way you 
see the world. - Anon comment

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
  
Judy posted an interesting question for a change:   I wonder if it's possible 
for two philosophers to   have an argument (or just a conversation) using   
only mathematical formulations, no words.   I can cast third-hand hearsay 
evidence on this  question. At least on the having a conversation issue.  My 
grandfather worked with Albert Einstein on the Manhattan Project, as did most 
of the other high- level physicists in the US at the time. They would 
occasionally get together in one of the classrooms  of Princeton University, 
alone, and just jackpot ideas. My father describes my grandfather describing 
hours-long conversations in which neither of them said a word.   One would 
just scribble an unfinished equation on one of the many blackboards in the 
room, and then  step back and wait for the other to comment on it. Sometimes 
the comment was another, slightly differ- ent equation. Sometimes it was a 
correction to a mistake in the original equation.
 Rarely -- and to be celebrated -- there was a solution to the  equation.   
They celebrated by going out for ice cream. Sure sounds like a conversation to 
me, but not much of an argument.   There's a difference.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle

2013-09-21 Thread Steve Sundur
I don't think I can either, unless it would be something like,
 
The ice cream was delicious
  


 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
   
 
No I can't.   


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
  
can you give example of this?
 


 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
  
The only interesting answers are those which destroy the question. - Susan 
Sontag

Sometimes, finding an answer to a question forces you to redefine the terms of 
the question, or think differently about their relations to each other. These 
are the really interesting answers: The ones that make you change the way you 
see the world. - Anon comment

 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle
  
  
Judy posted an interesting question for a change: 
 
 I wonder if it's possible for two philosophers to 
 have an argument (or just a conversation) using 
 only mathematical formulations, no words.  I can cast third-hand hearsay 
 evidence on this 
question. At least on the having a conversation 
issue.  My grandfather worked with Albert Einstein on the 
Manhattan Project, as did most of the other high- 
level physicists in the US at the time. They would 
occasionally get together in one of the classrooms 
of Princeton University, alone, and just jackpot 
ideas. My father describes my grandfather describing 
hours-long conversations in which neither of them 
said a word.  One would just scribble an unfinished equation on 
one of the many blackboards in the room, and then 
step back and wait for the other to comment on it. 
Sometimes the comment was another, slightly differ- 
ent equation. Sometimes it was a correction to a 
mistake in the original equation. Rarely -- and to 
be celebrated -- there was a solution to the 
equation.  They celebrated by going out for ice cream. Sure 
sounds like a conversation to me, but not much of 
an argument.   There's a difference.  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
yea, so what?
 


 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.


Turq writes;
Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course leaders 
of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants complain of 
-- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. And 
I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was such a TB that 
the implications of how we were runningthose courses never occurred to me. We 
never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if something serious came up 
onone of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctorson call, and no 
list of what the course leaders should actually*do* if someone started 
heavily unstressing, other than theaforementioned more (or less) TM and 
pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata 
TM checking can cure anything. In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and 
dangerously so.But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is100% 
life-supporting. We didn't have to
 plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which 
every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that 
some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend 
much time on long roundingcourses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. 
Thoselong courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medicalinsurance, 
either, and they certainly didn't have a team ofreliable doctors on call. But 
of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM 
course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And 
if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with 
pranayama and more (or less) TM.Maybe a checking.  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using
him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes
twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough
for 
 him.Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course 
 leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants 
 complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or 
 less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
absolutely
 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up?  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:


I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.



 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   


 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.


Turq writes;
Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course 
leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants 
complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or 
less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was 
such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never 
occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if 
something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability 
insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should 
actually*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than 
theaforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And 
definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata TM checking can cure anything. In 
retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.But we had all bought 
into that core dogma thang -- TM is100% life-supporting. We didn't have to
 plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which 
every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that 
some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend 
much time on long roundingcourses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. 
Thoselong courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medicalinsurance, 
either, and they certainly didn't have a team ofreliable doctors on call. But 
of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM 
course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And 
if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with 
pranayama and more (or less) TM.Maybe a checking.  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using
him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes
twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough
for 
 him.Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
sure it was.  and we were invited, if one was able to attend.  looking back on 
it, perhaps it was like a second wave, whereby there was an opportunity to be 
up close with the teacher.  and that's just what it turned out to be
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?

 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up?  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:


I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.



 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   


 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.


Turq writes;
Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course 
leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants 
complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or 
less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was 
such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never 
occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if 
something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability 
insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should 
actually*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than 
theaforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And 
definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata TM checking can cure anything. In 
retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.But we had all bought 
into that core dogma thang -- TM is100% life-supporting. We didn't have to
 plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which 
every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that 
some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend 
much time on long roundingcourses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. 
Thoselong courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medicalinsurance, 
either, and they certainly didn't have a team ofreliable doctors on call. But 
of course there was no *need* for those things, because by definition on a TM 
course nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just wouldn't allow it. And 
if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever it is, it can be cured with 
pranayama and more (or less) TM.Maybe a checking.  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Buck schticks (at least 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
the course I attended was in Courcheval, France.  I was in Livingston Manor 
sometime after that.  And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I 
was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others.  I 
also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. 
Missions to make our speel.  Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or 
someone of importance.  In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, 
but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for 
them.  
 
You know what I can't understand for the life of me.  Why the chicken kebobs 
are so tasteless in NYC.  Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are 
chewy and bland.  I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty.  These are 
the ones on the street, I'm talking about.
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles 
for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a 
Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
yea, so what?
 


 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.


Turq writes;
Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course 
leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants 
complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or 
less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was 
such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never 
occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if 
something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability 
insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should 
actually*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than 
theaforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe more asanas. And 
definitely a checking. Everyone knows thata TM checking can cure anything. In 
retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.But we had all bought 
into that core dogma thang -- TM is100% life-supporting. We didn't have to
 plan for negativesituations because by definition on a course on which 
every-one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.I suspect that 
some here will dispute this. I further suspectthat those doing so didn't spend 
much time on long roundingcourses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. 
Thoselong courses in 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
how's your slam?  do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam?  or maybe 
you just play far back from the table?
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El 
Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping 
pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
the course I attended was in Courcheval, France.  I was in Livingston Manor 
sometime after that.  And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I 
was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others.  I 
also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. 
Missions to make our speel.  Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or 
someone of importance.  In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, 
but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for 
them.  
 
You know what I can't understand for the life of me.  Why the chicken kebobs 
are so tasteless in NYC.  Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are 
chewy and bland.  I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty.  These are 
the ones on the street, I'm talking about.
 


 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles 
for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a 
Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
yea, so what?
 


 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.


Turq writes;
Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfectas course 
leaders of long residence courses back then. What-ever course participants 
complain of -- *whatever* it is -- itcan be cured by pranayama and more (or 
less) TM. And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,I was 
such a TB that the implications of how we were runningthose courses never 
occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gaveany thought to what we'd do if 
something serious came up onone of our courses. We had no liability 
insurance, no doctorson call, and no list of what the course leaders should 
actually*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game.  I am more of a meat and  
potatoes type player with a lot of slams.  my serve is decent, but nothing too 
special.  and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then 
almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games.  I am the current 
champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. 
(since it started)
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
 
   
 
My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good 
slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I 
can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play 
a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, 
and returned anything. Very rarely beat him.  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
how's your slam?  do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam?  or maybe 
you just play far back from the table?
 


 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El 
Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping 
pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
the course I attended was in Courcheval, France.  I was in Livingston Manor 
sometime after that.  And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I 
was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others.  I 
also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. 
Missions to make our speel.  Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or 
someone of importance.  In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, 
but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for 
them.  
 
You know what I can't understand for the life of me.  Why the chicken kebobs 
are so tasteless in NYC.  Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are 
chewy and bland.  I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty.  These are 
the ones on the street, I'm talking about.
 


 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles 
for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a 
Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
yea, so what?
 


 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community. 
-Buck   

 
 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-20 Thread Steve Sundur
I have no first hand info about him.  Or even second hand for that matter. 
Third hand I vaguely recall he was a character
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
So come on some of you Livingston Manor guys, What was infamous about Wally?
 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
it sounds like you have a pretty sophisticated game.  I am more of a meat and  
potatoes type player with a lot of slams.  my serve is decent, but nothing too 
special.  and that is funny that you can go for years without playing and then 
almost start where you left off in a matter of a few games.  I am the current 
champion at our Thanksgiving day tournament for about 7 years running now. 
(since it started)
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
My serve is good - very fast, and low. I make good corner shots, and good 
slams, though watch for opponents' spins, too. It is like riding a bicycle. I 
can go years between games and pick it up pretty quickly, again. I used to play 
a lot with a Vietnamese guy, who played Chinese style - back from the table, 
and returned anything. Very rarely beat him.  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
how's your slam?  do you have a stronger forehand or backhand slam?  or maybe 
you just play far back from the table?
 


 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Speaking of side effects from TM, I remember I developed an addiction at El 
Manor that persists to this day, for oranges, and french bread. Also, ping 
pong, but I'm not to the point where I break into people's houses to play. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
the course I attended was in Courcheval, France.  I was in Livingston Manor 
sometime after that.  And my memory from Livingston Manor, for the short time I 
was there, was that there was no heat, as has also been related by others.  I 
also remember during that time going into NYC and visiting various U.N. 
Missions to make our speel.  Often we would gain entrée to the ambassador or 
someone of importance.  In my idealism, I thought that really meant something, 
but I soon realized that often it was just something to fill the schedule for 
them.  
 
You know what I can't understand for the life of me.  Why the chicken kebobs 
are so tasteless in NYC.  Sure, they only cost $4.00 or $5.00, but they are 
chewy and bland.  I'd gladly pay $8.00 for one that was more tasty.  These are 
the ones on the street, I'm talking about.
 


 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I remember on staff, we had to set up the exercise wheels, and water bottles 
for you CPs, before program. Clean sawdust, too. There was one fellow there, a 
Peruvian, management wouldn't let him anywhere near you guys. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
yea, so what?
 


 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving

2013-09-19 Thread Steve Sundur
I admit, I enjoyed the Thai telecom piece over the chasing your dream piece.  
But I wouldn't really draw any conclusions about it. (-:
 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
  
   
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications
company.
 That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better
 storytelling
 in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than
 most of the full-length movies produced these days.


http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\
d-1309506149 od-1309506149

I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about
people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people
doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals
about the long-term effects of the TM program?

:-)

   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-19 Thread Steve Sundur
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
 
   
 
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a 
hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and 
making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand 
and Howard Stern.

 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the 
ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy 
treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life 
itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free 
lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do.

Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you 
just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling 
cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for 
happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this 
then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You 
have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with 
everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too 
easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. 
People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should 
have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely 
closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you 
believed it you have only yourself to blame.  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM



Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has 
addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of 
authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your 
experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] 


Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I 
can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure 
my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental 
Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to 
anti-authoritarianism. 


Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? 


Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had 
gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana 
and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences 
with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-19 Thread Steve Sundur
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was bring it on.  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a 
hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and 
making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand 
and Howard Stern.

 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the 
ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy 
treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life 
itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free 
lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do.

Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you 
just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling 
cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for 
happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this 
then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You 
have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with 
everything

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-19 Thread Steve Sundur
Oh yea.  I've told this story here.  I was one who was targeted as being 
unstable by one Reed Martin during a course in Livingston Manor.  Was prevented 
from going to Zambia because of it.  We had just watched a tape of Maharishi 
describing what was considered to be a good experience.  In an interview for 
people going overseas I related an experience I had which was along these 
lines.  
 
I was flagged, and really had no place other to go than home.  Looking back, 
that was sort of the beginning of the end for me.  I still finished up my 
schooling a MIU for another year or so, but I think that moment might have been 
when I started to separate some.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
 
  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was bring it on.  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

2013-09-19 Thread Steve Sundur
Well, you tend to be open about your experiences if asked about them.  I guess 
whatever I said sent up a flag in his mind.  As I recall, my name was just 
never called for the groups that were being sent out. I eventually asked why 
and got some vague answer.  I had a moment of panic, what the hell am I am 
going to do now.  My folks sent some money by Western Union, which I picked up 
somewhere in NYC and I was on my way home.  
 
That was the time, (as I've told here before), when a nice lady saw me milling 
around the Western Union office, and offered me a place to stay that night.  My 
folks had authorized the payment and then went out to dinner and so were not 
available to confirm the transaction until what turned out to be the next 
morning, so I was stranded at the Western Union office until this lady took me 
in.
 
I slept on a big chair and the apartment was quite cluttered, and she had a big 
dog.  I sort of sneaked out the next morning.
 
Bless her heart.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
That was the guy! He was the one in charge of our course at Livingston Manor - 
Reed Martin, that was him. So wonder how he justified flagging you if you had 
an experience that M said was a good experience in the tape?

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Oh yea.  I've told this story here.  I was one who was targeted as being 
unstable by one Reed Martin during a course in Livingston Manor.  Was prevented 
from going to Zambia because of it.  We had just watched a tape of Maharishi 
describing what was considered to be a good experience.  In an interview for 
people going overseas I related an experience I had which was along these 
lines.  
 
I was flagged, and really had no place other to go than home.  Looking back, 
that was sort of the beginning of the end for me.  I still finished up my 
schooling a MIU for another year or so, but I think that moment might have been 
when I started to separate some.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was bring it on.  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: I stand with U Buck Col Leed

2013-09-18 Thread Steve Sundur
And I think you would be about 100% accurate about that!  And talk about 
busting a gut.  The fact that Buck, being Buck created such a ruckus did 
provide some much needed entertainment for me.  God Save The Queen!
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: I stand with U Buck Col Leed
  
   
 
My guess is that just about all FFL posters realized that Buck was playing as 
he does sometimes, being outrageous in a preacherly way.

 


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: I stand with U Buck Col Leed
  
  
For Buck to falsely claim what he wrote came from the Bible is not what I'd 
call integrity, nor is admiring what he did.

Not a thing wrong with what Buck wrote on its own terms, as far as I'm 
concerned. Citing it as biblical, however, is very wrong.

YMMV. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I don't understand this authbabe.

Just because the Colonel liked it, doesn't have anything to 
do with integrity.  It's just Buck's playful twist on it.


--- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:
 
 You like that he wrote something about the Unified Field  
 and pretended it came from the Bible?
 
 Such integrity. 


 --- leedwilliam leedwilliam@.. wrote:
  
  NICE, going Buck am with U in all
  
  
   dhamiltony2k5@... writes:
   
   In National unity of empathy and with great concern  
   for the dead
   
   and their communities of families and friends,
   
   by the best of science
   
   I should like to see a National Day of meditation  
   called
   
   for by the White House as a National coming together
   
   in a Unified Field.
   
   -Buck
   
   
   For,
   
   Where two or three are gathered in effective  
   transcending meditation there the Unified Field will  
   be found multiplied in effect -Matthew 18:20 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Giving

2013-09-18 Thread Steve Sundur
I enjoyed this very much.  But little inconsistencies bug me, such as the 
handling and changing of money at about 21 seconds.  Perhaps it's just me, but 
somethings not making sense there.
 


 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Giving
  
   
 
This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company.
That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling
in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than 
most of the full-length movies produced these days.

http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywood-1309506149
 


   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
Mike, I think at this point you would do well to write a book titled, How I 
Can Tie Everything Negative In the World to Something in the TMO, (or 
something to that effect)  Or come to think of it, you could just make it a 
compilation of your posts here!  
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa
  
   
 
I don't see how its an insult - but they that have the crappy consciousness see 
crap everywhere - and I don't even know who made the comment since it doesn't 
show up on the FFL group now that all is Neo - one would think the TMO had 
created and was organizing Yahoo NEO.

 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa
  
 
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Michael Jackson: 
 I have had the same experience - if you are going to deal 
 with Yahoo, you are gonna have to take a ration of crap, 
 same as if you deal with the TMO (couldn't resist!)
 
You really told Share off, didn't you? She is one of three  respondents on FFL 
that practices TM in the Dome every day  up in Fairfield.  Does it make you 
feel superior now that you insulted Share?

Insulted? Honestly, you'll need to come up with something that at least 
registers on the Richter Scale or is visible under an electron microscope.







  
  Neo question for Alex or anyone...
   
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
propinquity strikes again!
 


 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa
  
   
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I don't see how its an insult - but they that have the crappy consciousness see 
crap everywhere - and I don't even know who made the comment since it doesn't 
show up on the FFL group now that all is Neo - one would think the TMO had 
created and was organizing Yahoo NEO.

It was your biggest fan Richard. 

 


 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Rules for Iowa
  
 
  





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Michael Jackson: 
 I have had the same experience - if you are going to deal 
 with Yahoo, you are gonna have to take a ration of crap, 
 same as if you deal with the TMO (couldn't resist!)
 
You really told Share off, didn't you? She is one of three  respondents on 
FFL that practices TM in the Dome every day  up in Fairfield.  Does it make 
you feel superior now that you insulted Share?


Insulted? Honestly, you'll need to come up with something that at least 
registers on the Richter Scale or is visible under an electron microscope.













  
  Neo question for Alex or anyone...

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Aspirational Cities

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
John, it's really not that strange.  A few weeks ago Saturn was aspecting Mars, 
and you know what that does to appearances.  Really, I'm surprised you didn't 
catch that.
 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Aspirational Cities
  
   
 
Pundit,

A few weeks ago, I called the technical support staff for ATT and was assisted 
by a young woman who sounded like she came from California.  I asked her where 
she was calling from.  She replied she was calling from Southwest Texas, but 
would not specify the exact city since it was against company policy. 

I told her that she did not have a Texas accent and can't believe that she was 
born and raised in that state.  She started laughing and said other people have 
said the same thing, even among her friends.  So, there you have it--the 
mystery of the day.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
These places have lured companies and people from more expensive regions, 
notably California and the Northeast, by being not only culturally rich but 
also amenable to building a career, buying a home and, ultimately, raising a 
family in relative comfortAustin, Texas - view from Town Lake: 

'Aspirational Cities'
The Daily Beast:
http://tinyurl.com/n5tjxhb 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas    
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Pussies of FFL

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
I don't watch much TV, but when I do, I prefer to have a kitty on my lap.
 
But really, we also, are down to only one kitty after having five at one point. 
 And the one kitty we do have, is not particularly friendly and hides from most 
everyone, except my wife.  I don't know what his problem is.  And there are 
other times, like when I'd leave for work in the morning when I had a little 
routine with our other cats.  I miss that as well.
 
Sorry for your loss.
 
P.S. Did you try steroid shots for the dermatitis?
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Pussies of FFL
  
   
 
Alex, so sorry about Cary kitty but I'm glad she's not suffering any more. Can 
you tell us a story about her so we can know her better?

 


 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Pussies of FFL
  
  
On Sept 5th, I got up at 3:30am and held our precious little Cary kitty for the 
last time before driving off to the airport, bawling my eyes out. Her solar 
dermatitis had become a festering open wound that would never heal, and it was 
making her absolutely miserable. Later that day, Cary was taken to the vet and 
put down. That leaves us with one remaining cat, Coco, and she likes to live 
outside as much as possible. In the recent heat wave, she stayed close to the 
house, hanging out in the shade and living off kibble. Cool weather returned 
right before I flew home, and Coco took off for mousier pastures. So, 
basically, the house is completely devoid of any feline presence. After 16 
years of a home completely dominated by cats, it is very strange and empty to 
have no furry little fuzzball to nuzzle with. Coco is very wise in the ways of 
the wild, and she will likely return before too long. And, she will be a mostly 
indoor kitty when winter hits. But,
 right now it's just eerie quiet. 
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


The Pussies of FFL:






-  
 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Pussies of FFL

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
Oh my.  How many of our cats have I seen in just that kind of condition, (no 
necessarily a skin problem, but some other ailment), just before we take them 
to the vet to put them down.  Thank you sharing that.  Yes, with our first 
Buttons, I think the steroid only gave him an extra month or two.



 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Pussies of FFL
 


  
A cortisone shot would give her about a week of slightly less irritation. The 
vet said the longer lasting cortisone formulation tended to cause diabetes, so 
we  opted to not go that route. This spring and summer, we took her to a 
different vet, who changed her diet and made a little hoodie to keep her from 
ripping open the wound, but even without her scratching at it, it was still 
nothing but cycles of oozing and scabbing. After spending a few thousand 
dollars on her, with no improvement, we just let her be. As much as we could, 
we tried to keep her inside, out of the sun, but if she wanted out, she would 
literally claw the paint off a door until we opened it. She was the grand 
matriarch of the house, and she was used to getting what she wanted. In her 
final weeks, her suffering ramped up to the point that she'd let out 
blood-curling howls, and she started using one of her sleeping pads as a 
litterbox. I took this video on the day before she was put
 down. The little kitty that was always so loving and affectionate was lost in 
her suffering.

http://youtu.be/9pxNXoLRLVE


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:




P.S. Did you try steroid shots for the dermatitis?


 

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Aspirational Cities

2013-09-15 Thread Steve Sundur
ok. thank you



 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Aspirational Cities
 


  
 Steve,

To be honest with you, I didn't see the connection between this event and the 
aspect of Saturn of Mars in Cancer.  But I do see that the Mars transit in 
Cancer is affecting the USA through fires, such as the one that is still 
burning at the Yosemite Park in California, and floods, particularly in 
Colorado.  From the world perspective, the USA almost got into a war with Syria 
over its chemical weapons being used against its own people.

Relating to Texas, however, I have been to several cities in that state, 
including El Paso, Dallas, and Waco.  I would say that George W. Bush has a 
distinct Texas accent.  And there are also many people there who have a Spanish 
accent since there are many Latinos or Hispanics who live there.

But this girl whom I was talking to did not have any accent at all.  I was 
joking with her and told her that she must be watching a lot of MTV shows, 
including the recent Mylie Cyrus performance.  She laughed.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


John, it's really not that strange.  A few weeks ago Saturn was aspecting Mars, 
and you know what that does to appearances.  Really, I'm surprised you didn't 
catch that.

From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Aspirational Cities
 
  
Pundit,

A few weeks ago, I called the technical support staff for ATT and was assisted 
by a young woman who sounded like she came from California.  I asked her where 
she was calling from.  She replied she was calling from Southwest Texas, but 
would not specify the exact city since it was against company policy. 

I told her that she did not have a Texas accent and can't believe that she was 
born and raised in that state.  She started laughing and said other people have 
said the same thing, even among her friends.  So, there you have it--the 
mystery of the day.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
These places have lured companies and people from more expensive regions, 
notably California and the Northeast, by being not only culturally rich but 
also amenable to building a career, buying a home and, ultimately, raising a 
family in relative comfort Austin, Texas - view from Town Lake: 

'Aspirational Cities'
The Daily Beast:
http://tinyurl.com/n5tjxhb 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Feeding the Change Machine video

2013-09-11 Thread Steve Sundur
that was great Jim.  sound track went well with the visuals.
 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feeding the Change Machine video
  
   
 
You've heard the soundtrack, now see the movie! (3:28) There's a guy that flies 
in it, and lots of robots, too:

http://tinyurl.com/oppvnz6

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY9jJHbB CXU

copyright 2013-  temple dog   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-09-07 Thread Steve Sundur
The answer we gotten before from some here is, random brain activity.
 
 


 From: waybac...@yahoo.com waybac...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 7:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
  
   
 
Iranitea,

 I am really glad you wrote what you did, about the crown chakra experience 
perhaps modifying a person's atheism.  It is an experience, not just an idea or 
an attempt to use words. Somehow it rings really true.    
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Xeno, this triggered something some time ago, when I wasn't subscribed. You 
said:

Ever wonder what a neo-Darwinist atheist would experience in GC? (Assuming GC 
is a real state of experience)

I have been thinking about this, not really in the context of GC, which I don't 
really know, but rather in relation to another experience I have, namely that 
of the crown chakra, the Sahasradala. Speaking from that experience, having had 
this in a fairly clear and consistent way, I don't *believe* one could be a 
full-fledged atheist. Dawkins couldn't stay Dawkins with this experience. 


Now, I say *full-fledged* atheist, because it depends of course on your 
definition of the terms 'theist' and 'atheist'. I don't mean with that, that 
you have to believe in a very personalized concept of a creator God, or even 
any personal God, but you definitely experience a totally different dimension 
of Being, so I don't think you could deny a very clear and concrete sense of an 
Absolute, however inexpressible this may be. You could maybe be a Buddhist 
atheist, if that's how you would call it, but not in a sense, how Curtis or 
even Dawkins define it. 

That's just my 2 cents.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
 wrote:

--snip--

While I do not have time to enter the fray here at the moment, I did notice 
this thread about 'Mind and Cosmos' which I have *not* read but which 
seemingly brings up once again the 'hard problem of consciousness'.

I do not think hard problem will go away philosophically or experimentally. 
When the brain is deactivated, all observable appearances of conscious 
behaviour vanish. But as meditators of one sort or another, the experiences 
we have are something else. In particular for me, the gap I experienced 
during surgery was most interesting. Did I in fact experience it? Was it an 
experience? Was it pure being? Like TC, but lasts for hours but has no sense 
of time. 

Then there is the experience that everything has an equal value of 
consciousness, which in some way, seems redundant to say there is some value 
called consciousness that is somehow distinct from any kind of experience. To 
me consciousness = being, and this contradicts the idea that consciousness 
can be snuffed out by destroying the brain. But then when the brain is 
largely deactivated by anaesthesia there is nothing, or is there? Because 
that gap has a value, at least in retrospect in memory of its having been 
there. It is a paradox. At least intellectually it is a paradox, and perhaps 
leaving it as a mystery on the level of the mind can leave one settled. 

Ever wonder what a neo-Darwinist atheist would experience in GC? (Assuming GC 
is a real state of experience)

I came across some web pages discussing Nagel's book:

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/03/ferguson-on-nagel.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/10/nagel-and-his-critics-part-i.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/10/nagel-and-his-critics-part-ii.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/11/nagel-and-his-critics-part-iii.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/11/nagel-and-his-critics-part-iv.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/12/nagel-and-his-critics-part-v.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/12/nagel-and-his-critics-part-vi.html

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/02/pummeled_with_p068931.html
http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/35163-mind-and-cosmos-why-the-materialist-neo-darwinian-conception-of-nature-is-almost-certainly-false/
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

2013-09-04 Thread Steve Sundur
Oh, okay.  thanks.  
 


 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
  
   
 
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Sundur
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
  
If you don't mind me asking, who might the we be.
 
From:Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
 
The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. 
 
My wife and I. In fact, I was entertaining the idea, but she was adamantly 
opposed. Not because she’s pro-TM. She’s quite anti. She just felt I shouldn’t 
get involved in such an enterprise.
 
 
 
 
  
 
.
    
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reasons why Neo might be timely

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
Ahem. Egoic aversion is *your* take on what I said,
not what I said. I asked for reasons why I or anyone
else would *want* to stick around, asking in particular 
for *examples* to support that stance. 
 
So many of your posts are about what a low vibe place this is.  So at some 
point the more obvious question is, why you continue to post?
In he past you've said you stick around because of the occasional worthwhile 
banter from those you still find interesting.  So why not just join in when you 
find something of interest, and lose all the whining?  And for the record, I 
think Curtis would agree with this assessment.  
 
Obviously, you 
weren't able to provide any. Instead you provided a
few ad hominems yourself. 

I'm suggesting that the *standards* here at FFL have
sunk so low that people have *forgotten* what an 
internet discussion group can be, when it hasn't
been reduced to an ongoing soap opera set in junior
high school. 

I'm also still waiting for the *examples* of posts
from the last three weeks that you or other people 
feel *are* up to their high standards. Was yours 
one of them?


 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reasons why Neo might be timely

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
Yes, I noticed that you did seem to be following the routine you describe 
below.  Which is the same routine I think most follow here.  

And I guess I don't typically find too much to comment on either and tend to be 
a low volume poster unless I am engaged in a one on one with someone.

What keeps me coming back? Really just a means to relax and hear different 
points of view about things.

Among my favorites are Edg, Curtis, (when he participates), You, Share, Emily, 
BP, Ann, Alex, Obba.  But also Judy, Doc, Xeno, Bhairitu, Irantea, MJ, and 
everyone else for that matter.



 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reasons why Neo might be timely
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... wrote:

  Ahem. Egoic aversion is *your* take on what I said,
  not what I said. I asked for reasons why I or anyone
  else would *want* to stick around, asking in particular 
  for EXAMPLES to support that stance. 
  
 So many of your posts are about what a low vibe place 
 this is. So at some point the more obvious question is, 
 why you continue to post?
 In the past you've said you stick around because of the 
 occasional worthwhile banter from those you still find 
 interesting. So why not just join in when you find 
 something of interest, and lose all the whining? And 
 for the record, I think Curtis would agree with this 
 assessment.

For the record, that IS my approach, and has been
the last three weeks. What I guess I'm complaining 
about is that more often than not these days I make 
a full scan of posts on FFL in Message View and find
nothing worth replying to. 

Since that is unlikely to change, you may be correct 
that it's whining to comment on it. I just thought 
I'd give people a chance to point to concrete EXAMPLES 
of what *they* consider good posts. So far, only one 
person has done so, and even that was mixed with ad 
hominem.

I agree that Susan's post was good, and that most
of hers are. I also feel that many of Salyavin's
posts are worth reading and (if I'm interested in
the content, which is not always) worth replying
to. Same with some of emptybill's and merudanda's
posts, and some of Xeno's and compost1uk's. I like
many of bhairitu's posts, possibly because I'm 
interested in the content. I appreciate some 
of mjackson's and iranitea's posts, but not all.
And of course azgrey's and Curtis', on the rare
occasions when they do a drive-by. Some posters
I am ambivalent about because I'm rarely inter-
ested in the things they're interested in (like
Card and Buck). 

With most of the others, I've found that not 
bothering to read anything but the first few words
of their posts in Message View doesn't seem to have 
impacted my life negatively. To the contrary, it 
feels (as Alex said) lighter, as if I'd stopped 
bothering to listen to what bag ladies I pass on 
the street are screaming about. :-) 

If any of those people feel offended by being put 
in the We're not worthy group, they are free to
post a few EXAMPLES of why they don't belong there.
If they don't, or can't, I don't see any reason to
assign them to any other group, or to treat what
they have to say here any differently. YMMV.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
Wow, nice to get the full story.  I guess it all makes sense from their 
perspective, except for the smearing of course.
 
 
 


 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
  
   
 
Well
first off, strict Maharishi  true-believers dislike Rick in
particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding
open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity
about Maharishi and TM.  Second they dislike Rick for opening up the
larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the
movement.  They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they
see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively
disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and
Maharishi.  In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really
dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who
has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement
community.  Of course that all gets close to home for these few
people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so
identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi.  
So, yes their having a
strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that
holds them together.  One ballistic missile that always gets an early
launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal
credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find
dirt.  He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in
the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans
to find dirt on Maharishi.  That of course is a double dump as the
Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they
'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans
actively raking muck.  In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends
any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL.  Of course it does not
help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin
carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings.  -FFL  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 Look,
These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor.  At that
level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing.  After
all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian
revolutionaries.  And, we certainly are. 
 
These
are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely
loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else
against their own standard of morality around their own sense of
loyalty from the top down.  It's evidently a lower form of morality
which drives most people away.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development   



--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:


Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was 
the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly 
complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its 
effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap 
they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in 
typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like 
Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC 
to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. 
These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were 
included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM 
more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an 
organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and 
are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right
 ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, 
he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it.



 


 From: Rick Archer rick@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
  
  
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@...
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
 
My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is 
brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come 
around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out 
and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like 
some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as 
it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM.
 
It always 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
If you don't mind me asking, who might the we be.
 


 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
 
The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. Is the 
fundamental assumption here that the “dirt” couldn’t be true and I’m evil for 
helping bring it to light, or that it might be true, but should remain hidden?
 



 
 
 



 
 
  
 
.
    
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Sundur
I wonder where promoting Thrive plays into that.  Apparently buying into 
those assumptions.  Or maybe you consider them Truth.  Maybe the moon is just 
a mechanical construct.  Who knows.
 


 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
  
   
 
It’s interesting to note that many of the actual “skin carriers” ended up being 
actually negative, after seeing things close up. I don’t consider myself 
negative. I just want to know the truth about things. That scares people who 
prefer assumptions and beliefs to truth.   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
We generally see movies at the theatre, so it is painful when you pick a bomb, 
both from a time and a money perspective.  (we like to get popcorn and a drink, 
so it starts to add up)
 
Another good one we saw was Fill the Void about the orthodox Jewish community 
in Israel. (another comedy).  It was nice to see a different perspective on 
that way of life - one of more easiness rather than extreme rigidity which I 
had assumed was the case.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
   
 
Steve, thanks for recommendations. I was planning to visit rotten tomatoes but 
would rather have a review like yours. I ended up borrowing The Tourist from 
the library. Depp and Jolie, no chemistry IMHO. Maybe it came through better on 
the big screen! I also borrowed The Queen which I've seen before but which is I 
think, definitely worth seeing again.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few minutes 
of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an hour and a 
half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through the whole 
thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would have 
suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, recently, 
A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)
 
  

 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
I enjoyed the Bourne movies.  There was some intelligent plot.  Not so with 
Elysium.  At least in my opinion.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
   
 
Everyone who loved the Bourne movies will of course love to see Matt D runnin' 
and fightin' and shootin' - he always respects their fine level of feeling 
before his blasts them into oblivion, and I bet he admires their pearly white 
teeth after they are dead.

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few minutes 
of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an hour and a 
half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through the whole 
thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would have 
suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, recently, 
A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)
 


 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
 Re Jones' rants get funny though.: I'm in favour of funny.

 Re Elysium was a racist film: I haven't seen it yet, Basic plot appeals 
though.

Re Another is that Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually 
plays a clip of Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers 
of a technocracy not endorsing  the idea.: One of my all-time favourite books. 
Be aware though that initially Huxley set out to write a satire of  the dangers 
of technology but as he became engrossed in his creation he was also attracted 
by the appeal of the 24/7 hedonistic lifestyle he portrayed. That ambiguity is 
a major part of what make the book so tantalising. What a true work of prophecy 
that novel turned out to be. I've never been able to decide if the society 
portrayed in Brave New World is a paradise that I would have been truly happy 
in, or, on the contrary, would have been a soul-destroying nightmare. Whichever 
side you come down on you must admit that in the western world we are moving 
ever closer to Huxley's vision. 

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:
Jones rants get funny though.  There are definitely some things I don't agree 
with him on. One of them is that Elysium was a racist film.  Another is that 
Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually plays a clip of 
Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers of a technocracy 
not endorsing  the idea.  Huxley made it clear in Brave New World Revisited.  
I pop in on his forum and make some corrections but I'm certainly not the only 
one there doing that.  Now that they've switched to Disqus (which I call 
Disgust) I sometimes comment on their stories.  You do get why I posted Brand's 
interview here don't you?  The old format wasn't very easy to navigate on an 
mobile device.  It's easier to write a mobile interface and extend it to a 
desktop usually through the use style sheets.  There are some kinks in the Neo 
design however.  On 08/31/2013 06:14 PM, s3raphita@... wrote:  
  
Having quite pronounced libertarian tendencies myself, I'm sure I'd sympathise 
with a lot of what Alex Jones says. And I have a soft spot for far-out views - 
even if they are wrong they are usually entertaining and can give food for 
thought. The problem for me is that I like people to be calm and collected and 
make a reasoned case; Jones is too much of a ranter for my tastes. I see there 
are a lot of clips on YouTube of Alex Jones's presentations so I'll sample a 
few and see if that changes my mind. 

 
Like you, I like stirring it: Cartoons of Mohammed? Bring it on! Richard 
Dawkins rolling up his sleeves and taking on the Creationists? Love it! 

 
PS: can I add my voice to those who are complaining about the new Yahoo Groups 
format. It just doesn't look as inviting as the old format. If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: 
And that host introduces him as a shock jock.  Perhaps you are unclear of 
the meaning shock jock?  Alex's show is very thought provoking and 
entertaining.  Sure he may be anti-abortion and go on pro Jesus rants 
while other times he would fit in just fine discussing consciousness here on 
FFL.  Politically he is all over the board.  He supported our California 
proposition to label GMOs.  He is anti-war unlike many of our conservatives 
here

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
the only good news is that at the smaller venues you can usually get a large 
popcorn (with real butter) and a large drink for around $11.00, with unlimited 
refills.  So, we split one of those, and will sometimes get a refill.

Of course there is a Hollywood version of the hijacking starring Tom Hanks as 
the captain.  Not sure exactly when it is coming out.



 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Re Steve Sundur  We generally see movies at the theatre, so it is painful when 
you pick a bomb, both from a time and a money perspective.  (We like to get 
popcorn and a drink, so it starts to add up.) :

Prices for popcorn, hot dogs and coke are extortionate here in UK cinemas. 
Hadn't realised it's the same your side of the Pond.

And, yes, I'm renting A Hijacking soon as the basic set-up almost guarantees 
escalating tension - wonder if there'll be a Hollywood remake . . . 

 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:


I enjoyed the Bourne movies.  There was some intelligent plot.  Not so with 
Elysium.  At least in my opinion.

From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
Everyone who loved the Bourne movies will of course love to see Matt D runnin' 
and fightin' and shootin' - he always respects their fine level of feeling 
before his blasts them into oblivion, and I bet he admires their pearly white 
teeth after they are dead.


From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few minutes 
of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an hour and a 
half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through the whole 
thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would have 
suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, recently, 
A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)

From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
 Re Jones' rants get funny though.: I'm in favour of funny.

 Re Elysium was a racist film: I haven't seen it yet, Basic plot appeals 
though.

Re Another is that Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually 
plays a clip of Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers 
of a technocracy not endorsing  the idea.: One of my all-time favourite books. 
Be aware though that initially Huxley set out to write a satire of  the dangers 
of technology but as he became engrossed in his creation he was also attracted 
by the appeal of the 24/7 hedonistic lifestyle he portrayed. That ambiguity is 
a major part of what make the book so tantalising. What a true work of prophecy 
that novel turned out to be. I've never been able to decide if the society 
portrayed in Brave New World is a paradise that I would have been truly happy 
in, or, on the contrary, would have been a soul-destroying nightmare. Whichever 
side you come down on you must admit that in the western world we are moving 
ever closer to Huxley's vision. 

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:
Jones rants get funny though.  There are definitely some things I don't agree 
with him on. One of them is that Elysium was a racist film.  Another is that 
Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually plays a clip of 
Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers of a technocracy 
not endorsing  the idea.  Huxley made it clear in Brave New World Revisited.  
I pop in on his forum and make some corrections but I'm certainly not the only 
one there doing that.  Now that they've switched to Disqus (which I call 
Disgust) I sometimes comment on their stories.  You do get why I posted Brand's 
interview here don't you?  The old format wasn't very easy to navigate on an 
mobile device.  It's easier to write a mobile interface and extend it to a 
desktop usually through the use style sheets.  There are some kinks in the Neo 
design however.  On 08/31/2013 06:14 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: 
  
Having quite pronounced libertarian tendencies myself, I'm sure I'd sympathise 
with a lot of what Alex Jones says. And I have a soft spot for far-out views - 
even if they are wrong they are usually entertaining and can give food for 
thought. The problem for me is that I like people to be calm and collected and 
make a reasoned

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur


This tells the story, as far as I'm concerned.  My dad had a peaceful 
co-existence with the squirrels.  After he passed away and my sister lived in 
the house getting it ready to sell, she mounted a full blown assault, piecing 
together all kinds of sheet metal and bungee cords to keep them away from the 
bird feeder.  She declared victory, (sort of like George Bush did on the 
aircraft carrier).

I didn't have the heart to tell her, after she went back home, that her 
concoction had been thoroughlydefeated by the squirrels.


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power
 


  
Yup, he goes into this in the article in perhaps more detail than one wants to 
read. 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:


Very interesting and nicely written. However, I am afraid the gnawing and the 
scampering amid the electric grids and power lines would mean pretty much 
'lights out' for the squirrels as well. 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


Neat op-ed piece in the NYTimes this morning about P.O.C.B.S., Power Outages 
Caused by Squirrels (of which there are more than you might think), by Jon 
Mooallem. His final reflection on the phenomenon:

I’ve come to see each P.O.C.B.S. as a reminder of our relative size on the 
landscape, recalibrating our identity as one set of creatures in a larger 
ecology. We are a marvelously successful set of creatures, though. A power 
outage caused by a squirrel feels so surprising only because we’ve come to see 
our electrical grid — all these wires with which, little by little, we’ve 
battened down the continent — as a constant. Electricity everywhere, at the 
flick of a switch, seems like the natural order, while the actual natural order 
— the squirrel programmed by evolution to gnaw and eat acorns and bask and leap 
and scamper — winds up feeling like a preposterous, alien glitch in that 
system. It’s a pretty stunning reversal, if you can clear the right kind of 
space to reflect on it, and fortunately power outages caused by squirrels do 
that for you by shutting off your TV and Internet. 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
ya gotta remember Share, that Michael scares up decades old news releases as 
though they just happened yesterday.  To say that he has a lot invested in his 
perception of M's TM movement would be an understatement.  I think it's a 
continuous loop that he plays through in his head.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Michael it is an interesting comment from your buddy. I can't help but wonder 
if he's been to FF recently, socialized with the regular folk at Rev's, etc. 
Lots of people who do TMSP twice a day could care less about anyone's status in 
TMO. We're all too old for that kind of stuff any more. At least that's my take 
on it. For many of us the knowledge AND simply the living of it without much 
thinking about it, is more than enough. However, like most of what's wonderful 
in life, this has to be experienced to be truly understood. What I'm so 
grateful for is that Maharishi gave us a technique that really does transcend 
its own activity. So that we have become liberated even from that!





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Here is a comment from a buddy of mine who is still doing TMSP 2 times a day 
and has a hard time believing M was up to no good.
 
He sent this to me after watching the Marshy Good News channel clip that was 
posted here about the achievements of the Movement and its lead in clip with 
the smiling faces of the Raja of the Netherlands and his Premier.

It is interesting to look at the history of the movement as a 
progressive handing out of influence and recognition to key people.  Its like 
the knowledge isn't enough, there has to be the continuous 
development of a corporate system and a jockeying for position, 
influence, power and recognition, or else people will just lose 
interest.



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
it's kind of funny isn't it, that Michael is like the polar opposite of 
Nabkins.  Neither budges much.



 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
ya gotta remember Share, that Michael scares up decades old news releases as 
though they just happened yesterday.  To say that he has a lot invested in his 
perception of M's TM movement would be an understatement.  I think it's a 
continuous loop that he plays through in his head.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Michael it is an interesting comment from your buddy. I can't help but wonder 
if he's been to FF recently, socialized with the regular folk at Rev's, etc. 
Lots of people who do TMSP twice a day could care less about anyone's status in 
TMO. We're all too old for that kind of stuff any more. At least that's my take 
on it. For many of us the knowledge AND simply the living of it without much 
thinking about it, is more than enough. However, like most of what's wonderful 
in life, this has to be experienced to be truly understood. What I'm so 
grateful for is that Maharishi gave us a technique that really does transcend 
its own activity. So that we have become liberated even from that!





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Here is a comment from a buddy of mine who is still doing TMSP 2 times a day 
and has a hard time believing M was up to no good.
 
He sent this to me after watching the Marshy Good News channel clip that was 
posted here about the achievements of the Movement and its lead in clip with 
the smiling faces of the Raja of the Netherlands and his Premier.

It is interesting to look at the history of the movement as a 
progressive handing out of influence and recognition to key people.  Its like 
the knowledge isn't enough, there has to be the continuous 
development of a corporate system and a jockeying for position, 
influence, power and recognition, or else people will just lose 
interest.





 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
sounds like a very nice venue. I'd like to come up and experience it.

BTW, I'm not sure if Michael wants to hear the other side of the story.  He 
kind of shuts that out.

I think there may be several like that. (-:



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
It's just that this quote from his buddy is so different from my day to day 
experience of TMers. I wanted to present the other side of the story. BTW, I've 
been going to the new town flying hall and it is wonderful. Of course I have my 
eyes closed the whole time ha ha, but the refitted ballroom itself is a 
pleasure to behold. Beautiful molded ceiling. Huge windows. The east wall is 
variegated brick such I have not seen outside of colonial America. The air is 
so pure and the silence is deep. Which is amazing given that the building also 
contains the old Co-ed movie theater. Go figure! (-:





 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
ya gotta remember Share, that Michael scares up decades old news releases as 
though they just happened yesterday.  To say that he has a lot invested in his 
perception of M's TM movement would be an understatement.  I think it's a 
continuous loop that he plays through in his head.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Michael it is an interesting comment from your buddy. I can't help but wonder 
if he's been to FF recently, socialized with the regular folk at Rev's, etc. 
Lots of people who do TMSP twice a day could care less about anyone's status in 
TMO. We're all too old for that kind of stuff any more. At least that's my take 
on it. For many of us the knowledge AND simply the living of it without much 
thinking about it, is more than enough. However, like most of what's wonderful 
in life, this has to be experienced to be truly understood. What I'm so 
grateful for is that Maharishi gave us a technique that really does transcend 
its own activity. So that we have become liberated even from that!





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Here is a comment from a buddy of mine who is still doing TMSP 2 times a day 
and has a hard time believing M was up to no good.
 
He sent this to me after watching the Marshy Good News channel clip that was 
posted here about the achievements of the Movement and its lead in clip with 
the smiling faces of the Raja of the Netherlands and his Premier.

It is interesting to look at the history of the movement as a 
progressive handing out of influence and recognition to key people.  Its like 
the knowledge isn't enough, there has to be the continuous 
development of a corporate system and a jockeying for position, 
influence, power and recognition, or else people will just lose 
interest.







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
I saw this shirt advertised in the flight magazine.  I know it hits home for a 
lot of people.  

I am not sure exactly what force can keep a squirrel away from a sunflower 
seed.  

Or curing the common cold for that matter.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power
 


  
I love this, Steve and fun story too (-:





 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power
 


  


This tells the story, as far as I'm concerned.  My dad had a peaceful 
co-existence with the squirrels.  After he passed away and my sister lived in 
the house getting it ready to sell, she mounted a full blown assault, piecing 
together all kinds of sheet metal and bungee cords to keep them away from the 
bird feeder.  She declared victory, (sort of like George Bush did on the 
aircraft carrier).

I didn't have the heart to tell her, after she went back home, that her 
concoction had been thoroughlydefeated by the squirrels.


 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Squirrel Power
 


  
Yup, he goes into this in the article in perhaps more detail than one wants to 
read. 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:


Very interesting and nicely written. However, I am afraid the gnawing and the 
scampering amid the electric grids and power lines would mean pretty much 
'lights out' for the squirrels as well. 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


Neat op-ed piece in the NYTimes this morning about P.O.C.B.S., Power Outages 
Caused by Squirrels (of which there are more than you might think), by Jon 
Mooallem. His final reflection on the phenomenon:

I’ve come to see each P.O.C.B.S. as a reminder of our relative size on the 
landscape, recalibrating our identity as one set of creatures in a larger 
ecology. We are a marvelously successful set of creatures, though. A power 
outage caused by a squirrel feels so surprising only because we’ve come to see 
our electrical grid — all these wires with which, little by little, we’ve 
battened down the continent — as a constant. Electricity everywhere, at the 
flick of a switch, seems like the natural order, while the actual natural order 
— the squirrel programmed by evolution to gnaw and eat acorns and bask and leap 
and scamper — winds up feeling like a preposterous, alien glitch in that 
system. It’s a pretty stunning reversal, if you can clear the right kind of 
space to reflect on it, and fortunately power outages caused by squirrels do 
that for you by shutting off your TV and Internet. 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
sounds like a very nice venue. I'd like to come up and experience it.

BTW, I'm not sure if Michael wants to hear the other side of the story.  He 
kind of shuts that out.

I think there may be several like that. (-:



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
It's just that this quote from his buddy is so different from my day to day 
experience of TMers. I wanted to present the other side of the story. BTW, I've 
been going to the new town flying hall and it is wonderful. Of course I have my 
eyes closed the whole time ha ha, but the refitted ballroom itself is a 
pleasure to behold. Beautiful molded ceiling. Huge windows. The east wall is 
variegated brick such I have not seen outside of colonial America. The air is 
so pure and the silence is deep. Which is amazing given that the building also 
contains the old Co-ed movie theater. Go figure! (-:





 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
ya gotta remember Share, that Michael scares up decades old news releases as 
though they just happened yesterday.  To say that he has a lot invested in his 
perception of M's TM movement would be an understatement.  I think it's a 
continuous loop that he plays through in his head.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Michael it is an interesting comment from your buddy. I can't help but wonder 
if he's been to FF recently, socialized with the regular folk at Rev's, etc. 
Lots of people who do TMSP twice a day could care less about anyone's status in 
TMO. We're all too old for that kind of stuff any more. At least that's my take 
on it. For many of us the knowledge AND simply the living of it without much 
thinking about it, is more than enough. However, like most of what's wonderful 
in life, this has to be experienced to be truly understood. What I'm so 
grateful for is that Maharishi gave us a technique that really does transcend 
its own activity. So that we have become liberated even from that!





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Here is a comment from a buddy of mine who is still doing TMSP 2 times a day 
and has a hard time believing M was up to no good.
 
He sent this to me after watching the Marshy Good News channel clip that was 
posted here about the achievements of the Movement and its lead in clip with 
the smiling faces of the Raja of the Netherlands and his Premier.

It is interesting to look at the history of the movement as a 
progressive handing out of influence and recognition to key people.  Its like 
the knowledge isn't enough, there has to be the continuous 
development of a corporate system and a jockeying for position, 
influence, power and recognition, or else people will just lose 
interest.







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
I thought the concept had potential, but shortly after it began, that took a 
back seat to all car chases, and and low orbit chases, and non stop explosions. 
 I can't even recall much about it at this point.  I've kind of erased it from 
my memory.



 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Well that review will get audiences to the theaters although time is running 
out for a theater view.  Probably the DVD/Bluray release is only a few months 
away.  Sony doesn't waste any time.

Not everyone understands science fiction.  I've written before
  about how few movie reviewers get horror and science fiction
  films.  Of course Elysium is no Bourne Identity because the
  latter is based off books.  But there are a lot of people bashing
  Elysium because they don't like it's message.  The message is
  about now and the 99% vs the 1%.  Elysium is a orbiting community
  where in the future the 1% have moved. Obviously a metaphor of a
  gated community.  Alex Jones bashed the film as being
  anti-white thats because Los Angeles in the future is mostly
  Hispanic.  But geez, California was part of Mexico before it
  became a state.  A Latino ghetto (Damon plays a Latino) sells the
  poverty element better than a white ghetto would have.  Neill
  Blomkamp's prior film was District 9 which was about apartheid. 

On 08/31/2013 10:27 PM, Steve Sundur wrote:

  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few 
minutes of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an 
hour and a half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through 
the whole thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would 
have suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, 
recently, A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
we paid $18.00 (total) for our two tickets last night.  But it was a more artsy 
venue. BTW, the theater was packed for the 7:30 show. 



 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
The best theatre close to where I live is an AMC - it still offers five dollar 
matinees 





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Re Steve Sundur  We generally see movies at the theatre, so it is painful when 
you pick a bomb, both from a time and a money perspective.  (We like to get 
popcorn and a drink, so it starts to add up.) :

Prices for popcorn, hot dogs and coke are extortionate here in UK cinemas. 
Hadn't realised it's the same your side of the Pond.

And, yes, I'm renting A Hijacking soon as the basic set-up almost guarantees 
escalating tension - wonder if there'll be a Hollywood remake . . . 

 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:


I enjoyed the Bourne movies.  There was some intelligent plot.  Not so with 
Elysium.  At least in my opinion.

From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
Everyone who loved the Bourne movies will of course love to see Matt D runnin' 
and fightin' and shootin' - he always respects their fine level of feeling 
before his blasts them into oblivion, and I bet he admires their pearly white 
teeth after they are dead.


From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few minutes 
of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an hour and a 
half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through the whole 
thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would have 
suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, recently, 
A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)

From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 
  
 Re Jones' rants get funny though.: I'm in favour of funny.

 Re Elysium was a racist film: I haven't seen it yet, Basic plot appeals 
though.

Re Another is that Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually 
plays a clip of Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers 
of a technocracy not endorsing  the idea.: One of my all-time favourite books. 
Be aware though that initially Huxley set out to write a satire of  the dangers 
of technology but as he became engrossed in his creation he was also attracted 
by the appeal of the 24/7 hedonistic lifestyle he portrayed. That ambiguity is 
a major part of what make the book so tantalising. What a true work of prophecy 
that novel turned out to be. I've never been able to decide if the society 
portrayed in Brave New World is a paradise that I would have been truly happy 
in, or, on the contrary, would have been a soul-destroying nightmare. Whichever 
side you come down on you must admit that in the western world we are moving 
ever closer to Huxley's vision. 

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:
Jones rants get funny though.  There are definitely some things I don't agree 
with him on. One of them is that Elysium was a racist film.  Another is that 
Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually plays a clip of 
Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers of a technocracy 
not endorsing  the idea.  Huxley made it clear in Brave New World Revisited.  
I pop in on his forum and make some corrections but I'm certainly not the only 
one there doing that.  Now that they've switched to Disqus (which I call 
Disgust) I sometimes comment on their stories.  You do get why I posted Brand's 
interview here don't you?  The old format wasn't very easy to navigate on an 
mobile device.  It's easier to write a mobile interface and extend it to a 
desktop usually through the use style sheets.  There are some kinks in the Neo 
design however.  On 08/31/2013 06:14 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: 
  
Having quite pronounced libertarian tendencies myself, I'm sure I'd sympathise 
with a lot of what Alex Jones says. And I have a soft spot for far-out views - 
even if they are wrong

Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
good to hear

I guess that means, I, who've also lived the other side, (although not in some 
time), has not evolved?

good to know



 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
i've lived the other side of the story as I have stated here many times, but 
like the TM hype talks, I have EVOLVED!!!





 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
sounds like a very nice venue. I'd like to come up and experience it.

BTW, I'm not sure if Michael wants to hear the other side of the story.  He 
kind of shuts that out.

I think there may be several like that. (-:



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
It's just that this quote from his buddy is so different from my day to day 
experience of TMers. I wanted to present the other side of the story. BTW, I've 
been going to the new town flying hall and it is wonderful. Of course I have my 
eyes closed the whole time ha ha, but the refitted ballroom itself is a 
pleasure to behold. Beautiful molded ceiling. Huge windows. The east wall is 
variegated brick such I have not seen outside of colonial America. The air is 
so pure and the silence is deep. Which is amazing given that the building also 
contains the old Co-ed movie theater. Go figure! (-:





 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
ya gotta remember Share, that Michael scares up decades old news releases as 
though they just happened yesterday.  To say that he has a lot invested in his 
perception of M's TM movement would be an understatement.  I think it's a 
continuous loop that he plays through in his head.



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Michael it is an interesting comment from your buddy. I can't help but wonder 
if he's been to FF recently, socialized with the regular folk at Rev's, etc. 
Lots of people who do TMSP twice a day could care less about anyone's status in 
TMO. We're all too old for that kind of stuff any more. At least that's my take 
on it. For many of us the knowledge AND simply the living of it without much 
thinking about it, is more than enough. However, like most of what's wonderful 
in life, this has to be experienced to be truly understood. What I'm so 
grateful for is that Maharishi gave us a technique that really does transcend 
its own activity. So that we have become liberated even from that!





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Comment
 


  
Here is a comment from a buddy of mine who is still doing TMSP 2 times a day 
and has a hard time believing M was up to no good.
 
He sent this to me after watching the Marshy Good News channel clip that was 
posted here about the achievements of the Movement and its lead in clip with 
the smiling faces of the Raja of the Netherlands and his Premier.

It is interesting to look at the history of the movement as a 
progressive handing out of influence and recognition to key people.  Its like 
the knowledge isn't enough, there has to be the continuous 
development of a corporate system and a jockeying for position, 
influence, power and recognition, or else people will just lose 
interest.











 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
in NYC last weekend as we were walking from the Frick Museum to the Empire 
State Building, we passed by the Four Seasons Hotel where there was a half 
block of girls on either side of the entrance.  I said, girls, what's the big 
event?.  One Direction was the reply.  They were waiting to see them come 
out and go to their interview, or something.



 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Now You See Me is the best film I have seen in a long time - although my 
adopted daughter who is One Direction's biggest fan is chomping at the bit to 
give that a look so I expect I will be soon watching a British Boy Band in 
action.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Well that review will get audiences to the theaters although time is running 
out for a theater view.  Probably the DVD/Bluray release is only a few months 
away.  Sony doesn't waste any time.

Not everyone understands science fiction.  I've written before
  about how few movie reviewers get horror and science fiction
  films.  Of course Elysium is no Bourne Identity because the
  latter is based off books.  But there are a lot of people bashing
  Elysium because they don't like it's message.  The message is
  about now and the 99% vs the 1%.  Elysium is a orbiting community
  where in the future the 1% have moved. Obviously a metaphor of a
  gated community.  Alex Jones bashed the film as being
  anti-white thats because Los Angeles in the future is mostly
  Hispanic.  But geez, California was part of Mexico before it
  became a state.  A Latino ghetto (Damon plays a Latino) sells the
  poverty element better than a white ghetto would have.  Neill
  Blomkamp's prior film was District 9 which was about apartheid. 

On 08/31/2013 10:27 PM, Steve Sundur wrote:

  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few 
minutes of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an 
hour and a half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through 
the whole thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would 
have suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, 
recently, A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
I know this was just discussed recently.  I generally liked LOTR.  But the part 
that bugged me the most, was playing the city of dead card, where are the 
deads formed an unbeatable army.  GMAFB.

I'm still waiting for my Shmiegal bobble head.  It's been on my Christmas list 
for the last five years.

Oh well.



 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
That's what sells movies these days or at least that's what the studios think - 
that's what I hated about the butchery Peter Jackson did on the Hobbit and the 
Lord of the Rings - not that the books lack for fight scenes but Jackson (who 
is definitely not a REAL Jackson) had to put a lot of unnecessary violence in 
them just to put butts in seats. 







 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
I thought the concept had potential, but shortly after it began, that took a 
back seat to all car chases, and and low orbit chases, and non stop explosions. 
 I can't even recall much about it at this point.  I've kind of erased it from 
my memory.



 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
 


  
Well that review will get audiences to the theaters although time is running 
out for a theater view.  Probably the DVD/Bluray release is only a few months 
away.  Sony doesn't waste any time.

Not everyone understands science fiction.  I've written before
  about how few movie reviewers get horror and science fiction
  films.  Of course Elysium is no Bourne Identity because the
  latter is based off books.  But there are a lot of people bashing
  Elysium because they don't like it's message.  The message is
  about now and the 99% vs the 1%.  Elysium is a orbiting community
  where in the future the 1% have moved. Obviously a metaphor of a
  gated community.  Alex Jones bashed the film as being
  anti-white thats because Los Angeles in the future is mostly
  Hispanic.  But geez, California was part of Mexico before it
  became a state.  A Latino ghetto (Damon plays a Latino) sells the
  poverty element better than a white ghetto would have.  Neill
  Blomkamp's prior film was District 9 which was about apartheid. 

On 08/31/2013 10:27 PM, Steve Sundur wrote:

  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few 
minutes of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an 
hour and a half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through 
the whole thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would 
have suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, 
recently, A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
sure, that part bugged me a little, and then when Gandolf was held prisoner on 
the castle top and turning the butterfly (or dragon fly) into a major 
conveyance, I thought was a little lame, and a little too convenient.
 
but, it is rare to keep a story airtight IMO.
 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
 
   
 
Steve, I really liked that part about the army of dead kings in LOTR. On a 
symbolic and deeper, allegorical level, it made a lot of sense to me, 
especially given Strider's position as a hidden king. Anyway, hope next 
Christmas Santa pays better attention re bobble head (-:

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
I know this was just discussed recently.  I generally liked LOTR.  But the part 
that bugged me the most, was playing the city of dead card, where are the 
deads formed an unbeatable army.  GMAFB.

I'm still waiting for my Shmiegal bobble head.  It's been on my Christmas list 
for the last five years.

Oh well.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
That's what sells movies these days or at least that's what the studios think - 
that's what I hated about the butchery Peter Jackson did on the Hobbit and the 
Lord of the Rings - not that the books lack for fight scenes but Jackson (who 
is definitely not a REAL Jackson) had to put a lot of unnecessary violence in 
them just to put butts in seats. 

 


 From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
I thought the concept had potential, but shortly after it began, that took a 
back seat to all car chases, and and low orbit chases, and non stop explosions. 
 I can't even recall much about it at this point.  I've kind of erased it from 
my memory.
 


 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
  
Well that review will get audiences to the theaters although time is running 
out for a theater view.  Probably the DVD/Bluray release is only a few months 
away.  Sony doesn't waste any time.  Not everyone understands science fiction.  
I've written before about how few movie reviewers get horror and science 
fiction films.  Of course Elysium is no Bourne Identity because the latter is 
based off books.  But there are a lot of people bashing Elysium because they 
don't like it's message.  The message is about now and the 99% vs the 1%.  
Elysium is a orbiting community where in the future the 1% have moved. 
Obviously a metaphor of a gated community.  Alex Jones bashed the film as 
being anti-white thats because Los Angeles in the future is mostly Hispanic.  
But geez, California was part of Mexico before it became a state.  A Latino 
ghetto (Damon plays a Latino) sells the poverty element better than a white 
ghetto would have.  Neill
 Blomkamp's prior film was District 9 which was about apartheid.   On 
08/31/2013 10:27 PM, Steve Sundur wrote:  
  
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few 
minutes of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an 
hour and a half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through 
the whole thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would 
have suggested we leave. 
  
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, 
recently, A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense) 
   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] “Thrive” – Foster and Kimberly Gamble: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/31/2013

2013-09-01 Thread Steve Sundur
Good work Michael,
 
Glad to be more informed about this.  
 
I mean citing David Icke as an expert is probably a sure fire way to destroy 
any credibility you might be trying to create.
 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; 
fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] “Thrive” – Foster and Kimberly Gamble: New 
Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/31/2013
  
   
 
Rick I am sorry you are promoting this film, the Gambles sure seem nice, but I 
have watched the film twice now and it is a strange piece of propaganda. John 
Robbins who is a friend of the Gambles has some insightful things to say about 
the film. I watched the film after seeing it mentioned by Marianne Williamson - 
subsequent to my first viewing I got engaged in a verbal fencing match with Ms. 
Williamson on her facebook page. She defended the film with the zeal of a TM 
True Believer defending the Movement.I also engaged John Robbins about his 
point of view and had a private e-mail exchange with him.The film is slick and 
starts out nice, but its got some shit in it that makes TM propaganda look tame 
by comparison. Especially poor choice by the Gambles to have David Icke in the 
film as a so-called expert.For whatever its worth, here are John Robbin's 
statements about the
 
film.http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/disaster-by-design-whats-wrong-with-the-thrive-movement

 


 From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] “Thrive” – Foster and Kimberly Gamble: New Interview 
on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/31/2013
  
  
 
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published 08/31/2013 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation

2013-08-31 Thread Steve Sundur
Do not, I repeat, do not, see this silly film (Elysium) which has a few minutes 
of an interesting plot at the start but then descends into about an hour and a 
half of the usual shoot  'em crap.  It was a chore to stay through the whole 
thing.  If I knew my wife was as bored as I was, I certainly would have 
suggested we leave.
 
Tonight we saw In a World, which I would recommend. (comedy)  Also, recently, 
A Hijacking, another big recommend. (suspense)
 


 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
  
   
 
 Re Jones' rants get funny though.: I'm in favour of funny.

 Re Elysium was a racist film: I haven't seen it yet, Basic plot appeals 
though.

Re Another is that Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually 
plays a clip of Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers 
of a technocracy not endorsing  the idea.: One of my all-time favourite books. 
Be aware though that initially Huxley set out to write a satire of  the dangers 
of technology but as he became engrossed in his creation he was also attracted 
by the appeal of the 24/7 hedonistic lifestyle he portrayed. That ambiguity is 
a major part of what make the book so tantalising. What a true work of prophecy 
that novel turned out to be. I've never been able to decide if the society 
portrayed in Brave New World is a paradise that I would have been truly happy 
in, or, on the contrary, would have been a soul-destroying nightmare. Whichever 
side you come down on you must admit that in the western world we are moving 
ever closer to Huxley's vision. 

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:
Jones rants get funny though.  There are definitely some things I don't agree 
with him on. One of them is that Elysium was a racist film.  Another is that 
Brave New World was an instruction manual.  He actually plays a clip of 
Huxley and fails to realize Huxley was warning of the dangers of a technocracy 
not endorsing  the idea.  Huxley made it clear in Brave New World Revisited.  
I pop in on his forum and make some corrections but I'm certainly not the only 
one there doing that.  Now that they've switched to Disqus (which I call 
Disgust) I sometimes comment on their stories.  You do get why I posted Brand's 
interview here don't you?  The old format wasn't very easy to navigate on an 
mobile device.  It's easier to write a mobile interface and extend it to a 
desktop usually through the use style sheets.  There are some kinks in the Neo 
design however.  On 08/31/2013 06:14 PM, s3raphita@... wrote:  
  
Having quite pronounced libertarian tendencies myself, I'm sure I'd sympathise 
with a lot of what Alex Jones says. And I have a soft spot for far-out views - 
even if they are wrong they are usually entertaining and can give food for 
thought. The problem for me is that I like people to be calm and collected and 
make a reasoned case; Jones is too much of a ranter for my tastes. I see there 
are a lot of clips on YouTube of Alex Jones's presentations so I'll sample a 
few and see if that changes my mind. 

 
Like you, I like stirring it: Cartoons of Mohammed? Bring it on! Richard 
Dawkins rolling up his sleeves and taking on the Creationists? Love it! 

 
PS: can I add my voice to those who are complaining about the new Yahoo Groups 
format. It just doesn't look as inviting as the old format. If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it. 
  --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:  
And that host introduces him as a shock jock.  Perhaps you are unclear of 
the meaning shock jock?  Alex's show is very thought provoking and 
entertaining.  Sure he may be anti-abortion and go on pro Jesus rants 
while other times he would fit in just fine discussing consciousness here on 
FFL.  Politically he is all over the board.  He supported our California 
proposition to label GMOs.  He is anti-war unlike many of our conservatives 
here.  He also hosts folks like Ed Asner and Richard Belzer both of whom are 
liberal.   Personally, I'm glad he stirs things up.  I first started listening 
to his shows via podcast after an apperance on Coast2Coast over ten years ago. 
 That appearance was about his expose on Bohemian Grove.  The US establishment 
needs a lot of pies thrown in their faces.   On 08/31/2013 09:14 AM, 
s3raphita@... wrote:  
  
He's a motormouth. See: 

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxWfhJOP0E
 
  --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:  
Have you ever listened to one of his shows or are you reviewing a movie 
without having seen it? :-D   On 08/31/2013 08:38 AM, s3raphita@... wrote:  
  
His host, Alex Jones, is a prize idiot though. He was ranting on UK TV a 
short while ago and didn't make a favourable impression. I see he's one of 
those nut jobs who has accused the U.S. government of being 

Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread Steve Sundur
This is serious business Share.  Please be advised.  Your ill timed comment may 
have set back the progress on understanding neo by many hours, or possibly 
days.  
 
Maybe a special FFL committee should be convened to determine if sanctions 
should be issued against you.  
 


 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is 
Missing in the Title Page
  
   
 
No, Share, it is not helpful. I was responding to Judy's post, and it looked 
like it would be sent privately to HER address; in fact, it was sent to the 
group. 
You get FFL via email feed, so OF COURSE you got it in email.
I know you mean well, but unless we're dealing specifically with an issue 
you're having, it would better if you stayed out of it. 
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yep, NOW I got it in my yahoo email inbox. Don't know if this is helpful either!

 


 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing 
in the Title Page
  


  
Immediately above the message body editor, on the right, opposite the To 
addr...@domain-name.com, is a little rectangle and an X. Click the rectangle 
and it displays the full header and rich text editor tool bar, and it gives the 
option to change the Too address. Right now, it is telling me that this is 
going to your private email. We shall see... 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I think it's pretty clear after the last batch of posts that the TO line above 
the Reply window can be disregarded, whether it's noreply@... or a real email 
address.The reply will go to the group regardless.

Now the question is, how do you send a reply that's *private*, that does *not* 
go to the group but only to the individual?  
--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced@... wrote:
This one, and your posts to Xeno and Obba, came to the group. Wild guess that 
the no-reply address comes up in the address field of a reply if their Yahoo 
mail setting is set to no-reply; one way i found to get around reply choosing 
no-reply is in Rich Text the To: field has is drop down and I can choose 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups. The other advantage in Rich Text is I get to drive 
Richard around the bend with color.
 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


This is a test to see if my reply goes to the group, or only to you, Emily. The 
line above the Reply window suggests it's going to go only to you (it says To 
emilymae.reyn@...), but maybe it'll go to you *and* the group, I'm not sure. 
See my post to obba. It may be that you have to click something somewhere to 
make sure any reply to it is sent to the group rather than (or in addition to) 
an individual.
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