[FairfieldLife] What a sane moderator of Fairfield Life would do at this point

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
In four words (with no brackets or ellipses to pretend I'm not cursing when I 
am), given the events of the last few days what I believe a moderator of 
Fairfield Life would do if they were truly sane is: 

    SHUT THE FUCK UP 

Y'know...sorta like what Alex is doing, and has been doing all along. 

Progress HAS been made. I think that all of us have become more aware of what 
the actual Yahoo-Groups Guidelines are. Just as important, we have become more 
aware of what they ARE NOT. 

They are NOT about censoring content, as someone attempted to do last night. As 
Curtis pointed out, they are also NOT about censoring language, because that's 
a non-issue -- Yahoo has never in its history had any problem with someone 
saying Fuck or Fuckin' on any of its forums. The real guidelines do NOT have 
anything to do with not being able to legitimately criticize public figures. 
And they do NOT say that people have to submit to what some self-appointed Nazi 
tells them to do or not do, just because he calls himself a moderator. 

The most important of the *real* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines -- in my opinion as a 
long-term member of this forum -- is the one that a sane moderator has the best 
chance of actually enforcing:  Avoid personalized invective. 
That's IT. 

SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else. 
If you have the shitty karma to have been named as a moderator of Fairfield 
Life, suck it up and put on your big boy pants and try to actually accomplish 
something useful instead of just bitching and moaning all the time. 

Enforce the personalized invective guideline by quietly deleting any post 
that REALLY crosses that line. Avoid trying to police the use of invective, 
period, because that's a lost cause -- EVERYONE here goes on a rant from time 
to time and hurls invective at the people they don't like. You can't stop it 
because it's human nature. Instead, focus on the personalized part -- if 
posters get their panties in a bunch, they should try not to lash out at *other 
posters on Fairfield Life* by aiming invective at them. 

THIS is enforceable. If you're a moderator, get the fuck over your own ego and 
stick with THIS guideline. Quietly delete any post you feel hurls invective at 
or attempts to harass a current poster on Fairfield Life, and then just as 
quietly write the person whose post you've deleted an email saying that you did 
it, and why you did it. That's it -- end of intervention. 

I would have NO PROBLEM with this approach to moderation on FFL. I will aid 
any moderator in helping to enforce this general guideline by trying to indulge 
in as little personalized invective as possible. 

On the other hand, I have MANY PROBLEMS with censorship of either ideas or 
language, and will fight anyone attempting to impose them tooth and nail. 

Your call. 

If you ARE actually sane, you'll take the increased recognition of actual Yahoo 
guidelines here and run with it, and stop trying to preach to people. Do your 
job in this one actually enforceable area, and SHUT THE FUCK UP about 
everything else, and the forum will actually become the better place you 
*claim* you want it to be. 

Keep up the nonsense you've been attempting so far, and it won't. 
Simple as that. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What a sane moderator of Fairfield Life would do at this point

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for replying, Salyavin. You make excellent points, plus the fact that 
you have replied to my post makes it more difficult for someone to suddenly 
make it disappear if he turns out *not* to appreciate the fact that we're both 
*trying to help him*.  :-)

The simple guideline I suggest would do wonders to clean up the vibe of 
Fairfield Life, if for no other reason because it would force people to try to 
deal with IDEAS instead of PERSONALITIES. Over the years, for many reasons, 
people have become lazy, and tend to reply to *ideas* they don't like by trying 
to discredit the person who wrote those ideas. Shouting You're a poopy pants! 
is NOT dealing with ideas like an adult. Hopefully if people pay attention to 
what we're suggesting they'll do this less...
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

In four words (with no brackets or ellipses to pretend I'm not cursing when I 
am), given the events of the last few days what I believe a moderator of 
Fairfield Life would do if they were truly sane is: 

    SHUT THE FUCK UP 

Y'know...sorta like what Alex is doing, and has been doing all along. 

Progress HAS been made. I think that all of us have become more aware of what 
the actual Yahoo-Groups Guidelines are. Just as important, we have become more 
aware of what they ARE NOT. 

They are NOT about censoring content, as someone attempted to do last night. As 
Curtis pointed out, they are also NOT about censoring language, because that's 
a non-issue -- Yahoo has never in its history had any problem with someone 
saying Fuck or Fuckin' on any of its forums. The real guidelines do NOT have 
anything to do with not being able to legitimately criticize public figures. 
And they do NOT say that people have to submit to what some self-appointed Nazi 
tells them to do or not do, just because he calls himself a moderator. 

The most important of the *real* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines -- in my opinion as a 
long-term member of this forum -- is the one that a sane moderator has the best 
chance of actually enforcing:  Avoid personalized invective. 
That's IT. 

SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else. 
If you have the shitty karma to have been named as a moderator of Fairfield 
Life, suck it up and put on your big boy pants and try to actually accomplish 
something useful instead of just bitching and moaning all the time. 

Enforce the personalized invective guideline by quietly deleting any post 
that REALLY crosses that line. Avoid trying to police the use of invective, 
period, because that's a lost cause -- EVERYONE here goes on a rant from time 
to time and hurls invective at the people they don't like. You can't stop it 
because it's human nature. Instead, focus on the personalized part -- if 
posters get their panties in a bunch, they should try not to lash out at *other 
posters on Fairfield Life* by aiming invective at them. 

THIS is enforceable. If you're a moderator, get the fuck over your own ego and 
stick with THIS guideline. Quietly delete any post you feel hurls invective at 
or attempts to harass a current poster on Fairfield Life, and then just as 
quietly write the person whose post you've deleted an email saying that you did 
it, and why you did it. That's it -- end of intervention. 

I would have NO PROBLEM with this approach to moderation on FFL. I will aid 
any moderator in helping to enforce this general guideline by trying to indulge 
in as little personalized invective as possible. 

On the other hand, I have MANY PROBLEMS with censorship of either ideas or 
language, and will fight anyone attempting to impose them tooth and nail. 

Your call. 

If you ARE actually sane, you'll take the increased recognition of actual Yahoo 
guidelines here and run with it, and stop trying to preach to people. Do your 
job in this one actually enforceable area, and SHUT THE FUCK UP about 
everything else, and the forum will actually become the better place you 
*claim* you want it to be. 

Keep up the nonsense you've been attempting so far, and it won't. 
Simple as that. 


And it is that simple. No one really wants FFL to have it's teeth pulled to the 
extent they can't express honest opinion or the occasional rant without getting 
paranoid. 
Similarly no one really wants the place to disappear because Rick gets fed up 
with the burden of owning it, but imposing the Yahoo guidelines like they are 
carved in stone is a silly idea, especially when they seem so flexible we could 
probably delete even Cardemeister if we had a mind to.
The FFL homepage tells you all you really need to know about it. And hopefully, 
I've stuck to it enough not to be considered a pain in the arse - except by the 
ludicrously over-sensitive. But like everyone, this week has made me aware of 
the reaction hitting send can have. I shall try and heed the guidelines 
without diluting myself. But moderation has to be 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The World is getting better?

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

snip to

What happened to the Towers of Invincibility and all the yogi flying and yagya 
groups?
Ah, the seductively simple solution, wouldn't that be great if that worked? 
Close your eyes and when you wake up the world is a better place. Magical.
If I had even the remotest belief in it I'd be living in Fairfield right now.
This is an interesting point. How many people who actually read or post to 
Fairfield Life actually DO live in Fairfield? By my count, it's only 6 people. 
Out of 1570 registered users. 

So why does this tiny, tiny, tiny segment of the FFL population require 
special protection so that their finest feeling level sensibilities aren't 
disturbed by the other 1564 people talking about the real world?

   

How Did You Find FFL? (was Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The World is getting better?)

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

snip to

What happened to the Towers of Invincibility and all the yogi flying and yagya 
groups?
Ah, the seductively simple solution, wouldn't that be great if that worked? 
Close your eyes and when you wake up the world is a better place. Magical.
If I had even the remotest belief in it I'd be living in Fairfield right now.
This is an interesting point. How many people who actually read or post to 
Fairfield Life actually DO live in Fairfield? By my count, it's only 6 people. 
Out of 1570 registered users. 

So why does this tiny, tiny, tiny segment of the FFL population require 
special protection so that their finest feeling level sensibilities aren't 
disturbed by the other 1564 people talking about the real world?
Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth and be thankful we don't have to live 
there to post here. Not that that would be intrinsically a bad thing... oh you 
know what I mean.
But it makes me wonder how we all found this place?

I was looking for the Kaplan letter that I'd heard rumours of and a Google 
search led me to the files section, I had to join to have a look. I wasn't ever 
going to post anything, honest, but I got sucked into a conversation about God. 
And now 10 years later

Great thread topic. 

I had been amicably divorced from the TMO for many years when I stumbled upon 
alt.meditation.transcendental on the Usenet. That was a real wake-up call for 
me because I had last even *thought about* the TM movement back in 1979. 
Participating on that forum I discovered that not only were there still people 
who believed in the stuff TM sold, they believed in it with such an intense, 
aberrant fervor that they were willing to stalk you into the next incarnation 
to protect their beliefs.  :-)
At some point during my a.m.t. experience, someone mentioned FFL. I knew 
nothing about it, and *assumed* that it was a TM TB forum, and that it wouldn't 
be of any interest to me. For a lark, I applied to FFL with that assumption 
firmly in mind, and thus was pleasingly surprised when Rick not only accepted 
me, but asked in his first post whether I was Uncle Tantra, the author of a 
book I had previously considered beyond the reach of TM practitioners. I 
admitted it, and he accepted me anyway. 

Kismet. I realized my folly immediately, and began to participate on this forum 
as the free speech forum it was intended to be. I enjoyed that until a small 
number of people realized that they couldn't actually make any rational 
arguments to dispute the heretics who posted on FFL, so they decided to drive 
them away instead. 

Consider me extremely pleased to see recent events, and the shoe on the other 
foot. 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

This has really become too sad to get involved with.
It's good fun though. You always got a lot of Bang for your Buck on FFL!
No, it really ISN'T fun. It's horrifically sad. One can have *compassion* for 
someone who is acting out the classic impotent old men trying to intimidate 
others in an attempt to hide their impotence act, but after a while it's just 
sad. 

Rick, please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his position 
as moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of the task have 
clearly caused him to become mentally ill. 
It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now 
he's embarrassing the whole forum.

Moderator or not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no 
longer bother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like our 
recently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, he has 
effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. 


I think it was good to see his true colours so soon. I just hope he's 
embarrassed enough to gain a bit of self awareness from it. He is just going to 
find mustering credibility a bit difficult from now on I suspect.
The saddest part of all of this is that I would be willing to bet that he's so 
far gone into his mental illness that he actually believes he's WINNING this 
mock religious war he's started. 

Personally if I was trying to take control of what people say on a forum - not 
that I would - I'd at least try and lull them into false sense of security for 
a few weeks instead of leaping straight in with this fascist you will conform 
or leave bullshit. 
And I definitely wouldn't follow it with that flowery prayer JaiGuruYou which 
makes censorship sound more than a bit sinister. 

A fair point. Especially because he often uses that phrase as an epithet. I 
think he should follow his own advice and use [...] You instead. That would 
be closer to the way he actually uses the phrase.  

But it's just like the TM movement that spawned Doug himself, they're always 
saying things like We're not saying you can't read that book, we just think 
it's not appropriate This can be followed by a request to leave because you 
aren't ready to live in a TM centre and, presumably therefore, the age of 
enlightenment.
Funny lot, all flowers and smiles until they find out you don't believe a word 
of it, then it's out with the iron fist in the velvet glove. And for your own 
good of course...
I wonder if we'd left him to it he would have demanded I delete some of my 
recent posts on Nader and Hagelin? I've accused both of them of lying or 
delusional thinking. Tsk, a clear beach of guidelines.
  



  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
 
 Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, 
for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite 
evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was 
there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch 
personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur 
posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice 
of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste 
and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL 
moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou
reference:  FFL# 416332 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

“ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.”
Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on 
FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use 
of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is 
considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your 
writing removed from FFL.Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have 
your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as 
byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion 
of privacy as used in method. 
Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith 
replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 
'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck','Nablusoss is Nablusoss', 
and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now 
going forward you shall bemoderate in this as 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
While you are entitled to your opinion, feste, I think you are forgetting what 
my post was drawing attention TO. That is, someone actually trying to DEFINE 
the moderation of an Internet forum by comparing it to being a cop dealing 
with an unruly crowd of rough looking people and being forced to shoot them 
when they don't do what the cops want. 

In retrospect, we now know how close this analogy is to the way he actually 
tried to handle the task of moderation himself. 
When he can't find any legitimate reason to delete the posting privileges of 
the person he doesn't like, he just makes one up and fires away. How Waco of 
him.
At least we should probably be grateful that he has *demonstrated* what he 
means by some assertion of moderation to us, and that it doesn't actually 
involve firearms. Yet. 


  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FFFL's] Twin Peaks shoot outs...

 Well, one could certainly empathize with someone standing by
 monitoring and then in the middle of a firefight between a bunch of
 bikers. At a point it is just plain self-defense to shoot or be shot
 in the moment. Put yourself in the middle of a rough looking people
 all wearing vests who are shooting at each other with heavy caliber
 weapons. Once order is set in you betcha the cops shouted, “Hands up,
 Don't Shoot!”.   We could use some assertion of moderation around
 here too.
  From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 1:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    I agree with Curtis on this one, but TurquoiseB is in fact lucky still to 
be here. He should have been given a red card some weeks ago when he falsely 
accused, in a specially created subject line, another FFL member of advocating 
murder on this forum and giving that poster's real name, at a time when that 
poster was using an anonymous handle. TurquoiseB did this deliberately to 
defame the individual concerned forever via the Google search engine. He 
actually gloated over this very point. If that was not a malicious action then 
the word has no meaning. He should have been expelled. I believe he later 
deleted his own post but some of the damage had already been done. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

I object to this overreach of moderatorpower into content censorship by a 
blatant misread of the explicitintention of this guidline. The guideline 
applies to members of thelist, and David lynch is not a member, he is a public 
figure. He is not being degraded because he will never read this and that is 
not the intention of the guidleline anyway.
 You areattempting to censor content to your own subjective 
standardinappropriately by misreading the guideline to apply to  apersonal 
opinion about a public figure. Mentioning that it is a non sequitur to the post 
is also a misread of the intentions of the guidelines which does not address 
this at all since adding new points is the nature of a public forum. Calling it 
exploitative is also a misread of the meaning of the word. Barry is 
exploiting nothing by posting his opinion about a public figure and his 
actual actions. Please read what Barry wrote and weigh in if the community 
believes this is an outrageous comment that needs the intervention of 
moderators:

What Barry actually wrote:

Thisis amazing. You read through this and you think, How could anyonepossibly 
BE so gullible as to fall for this? But then you think aboutpeople like David 
Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a milliondollars so that he could 
attend an Enlightenment Course, and thenMaharishi didn't even have the 
courtesy to show up in person to teachit.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, 
for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite 
evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was 
there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch 
personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur 
posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice 
of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste 
and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL 
moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou
reference:  FFL# 416332 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

“ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.”
Ingoing 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for pointing out the relevance of what I said in the offending post, 
Xeno. I'm going to paste it in below so that I can comment a bit further on its 
relevance -- not only to TM but to the person who reacted to what I said like a 
hysterical little girl.

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   
    David Lynch is a public figure in the TM movement, and worldwide. He is not 
part of the FFL Yahoo group. He is in a different category than members of this 
group. Criticism of Lynch as a public figure is fair game on-line and in the 
press as long as it is not libel. I feel this is NOT a violation of Yahoo group 
guidelines and you are overstepping your authority. I find it incredibly 
difficult to find any message even a couple of days old. Neo has made it very 
difficult to locate past messages. However, I did find that post. You have got 
to be kidding 'dhamiltonyk5'.
I believe I know someone who went on that course. That person did not get 
enlightened. I think that person is very gullible, based on considerations 
other than that person having gone on that course. Saying someone is gullible 
is a mere opinion, but it is something that could be backed up with evidence. 
Gullible: easily persuaded to believe something; credulous, naive, 
over-trusting, over-trustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, 
dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, un-suspicious, unwary, ingenuous, 
innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green;
Furthermore, it was not a non sequitur, 'TurquoiseBee' was responding to a 
similar event of gullibility, providing what he thought was another example of 
the same, so it was germane to the conversation.
OK, here is what I originally wrote:
Thisis amazing. You read through this and you think, How could anyonepossibly 
BE so gullible as to fall for this? But then you think aboutpeople like David 
Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a milliondollars so that he could 
attend an Enlightenment Course, and thenMaharishi didn't even have the 
courtesy to show up in person to teachit.
More important, after this rap I have pasted in the entire content of the post 
I was replying to. I suggest that people take the time to read it, for several 
reasons. First, they'll see that my reply was very much on topic, and dealt 
with a level of gullibility (in the article) that was almost unimaginable. WHO, 
after all could possibly BE so gullible as to have still believed this 
charlatan after all of these events,*including* the actual death of the person 
he'd hired her to make her fall in love with him. This story boggles the mind, 
because it is difficult for sane people to even imagine this level of 
gullibility. 

Second, I brought up an even *greater* example of gullibility. The poor boob in 
the story below only paid $713,975 to his charlatan, whereas David Lynch paid a 
*million fucking bucks* to Maharishi to attend an Enlightenment Course. 
That's pretty gullible in itself. Much MORE gullible, however, is that he 
arrived on that course to discover that Maharishi had so little respect for his 
students that he didn't even plan to show up to *teach* this course, even 
though the participants had each paid him a million fucking bucks to attend. 
Now THAT is a level of charlatanry that the Manhattan Fortuneteller in the 
story below never imagined. 

But the most important point in all of this is that the poor schmuck in 
Brooklyn was so gullible that he found ways to *keep* believing in the 
charlatan, long after he should have realized that she was taking him to the 
cleaners. SO DID DAVID LYNCH. 

Lynch *could* have shaken himself awake and said to himself, OK, you got 
taken. You got hornswoggled into paying this guy a million fucking dollars and 
he doesn't even show up at the course. Best I should just enjoy the rest of the 
course and then go home and forget how badly I was ripped off. But he DIDN'T 
say this to himself. In fact, when he got home, he dived into being essentially 
a full-time shill for the same man who had just swindled him out of a million 
dollars, *helping him to swindle others*. 

So WHY does me pointing this out affect one person on this forum so much that 
he forsakes every pretense of sanity and attempts to abuse his position as 
moderator to PUNISH me for pointing it out?
Because this is HIS story, too. 

The person losing his shit over these two examples of EXTREME gullibility is 
himself arguably the most gullible person on this forum. 

Just look at his history. All of these years without a shred of evidence that 
the TMSP actually *does* anything, and he still clings to the belief that it 
does. He's still so desperate to be allowed into the domes that he ignores 
completely that the people who run them have systematically attempted to (and 
succeeded in) throwing him out of them. He still defends the fictional goals of 
the TM movement even as he rants against the people who run that movement. 

So 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This has really become too sad to get involved with.
Rick, please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his position 
as moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of the task have 
clearly caused him to become mentally ill. 

It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now 
he's embarrassing the whole forum.
Moderator or not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no 
longer bother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like our 
recently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, he has 
effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. 


  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in 
to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, 
for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite 
evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was 
there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch 
personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur 
posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice 
of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste 
and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL 
moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou
reference:  FFL# 416332 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

“ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.”
Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on 
FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use 
of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is 
considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your 
writing removed from FFL.Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have 
your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as 
byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion 
of privacy as used in method. 
Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith 
replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 
'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck','Nablusoss is Nablusoss', 
and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now 
going forward you shall bemoderate in this as Rick originally intended. Show 
self-restraintand respect for other people's privacy here. Simple. That is part 
ofthe communal collaboration asked for in making this a particularfree-speech 
zone as it was hoped for. Have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Thanks A., good to know. In going forward with moderation on FFL, protection of 
privacy has always been a mainstay feature of FFL as Rick's free speech list. 
This feature of protection has been under siege and fallen to a form of a 
disrespect used by some writers on FFL. Everyone take this as a warning right 
now going forward: where someone posting to the list uses an anonymous screen 
name it is quite proper form on FFL as a yahoo-group to respond to posts using 
a person's screen name and make no mention of their real name otherwise.  
-JaiGuruYou!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote :

Please ignore what he says about me. He has it completely wrong.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Serious_Richardbrings up in this particular thread an important point about 
privacyon FFL. From the beginning Rick has been intent on creating asafe-space 
of privacy for folks to post on FFL. Rick's principlesin creating safe-space 
have been under attack, degraded andmethodically violated by some writers here 
evidently to abuse or intimidateother folks personally who have been members of 
the community of FFL. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Thanksfor offering this, Serious. Yes I feel this is an excellent examplethat 
you offer of precedence in how to directly moderate a list thathas gone so bad 
like this. I shall make note of it and emulate Rickin this as much as possible. 
The yahoo-groups guidelines themselvesare quite simple and require of writers 
only some self-control. -JaiGuruYou!


Just for the record, I should point out that Rick banned me from the group 
without sending me a single message or email explaining why. So, I appealed to 
him and he reinstated my 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
All of what I say below said, and meant, I don't think I'm alone here in saying 
that if the poster banned for outing someone turns out to be Tedious Dickhead, 
we can consider Doug's short tenure as FFL moderator a total success.  :-)
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 
1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of 
the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into 
your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 
300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield 
Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate 
his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'...

I know you'll want to get right on this. 

Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. 

Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post 
would go through.  :-)

But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient 
high. Uniform blandness will be achieved!
I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being 
posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that 
Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona 
named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL 
moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part 
of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to 
mention being contrary to what he promised Rick.
  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
 
 DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant 
having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The 
offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy 
using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou


Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude.
Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful 
or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement 
(or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful.
Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or 
damage their reputation.
Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. 
To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly.  “Don'tbe 
unkind”. 
We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place 
for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any 
content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the 
Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes 
youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep 
Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. Ifyou see a Group or 
content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us 
[..yahoo-groups]. 
Yahoo Groups Guidelines

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people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help 
keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. | 
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[..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems 
is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve 
themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing 
orseparating destructive asocial members.
There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by 
what has beenallowed to become a dominant

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 
1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of 
the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into 
your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 
300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield 
Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate 
his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'...

I know you'll want to get right on this. 

Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. 

Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post 
would go through.  :-)

But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient 
high. Uniform blandness will be achieved!
I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being 
posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that 
Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona 
named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL 
moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part 
of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to 
mention being contrary to what he promised Rick.
  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
 
 DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant 
having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The 
offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy 
using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou


Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude.
Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful 
or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement 
(or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful.
Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or 
damage their reputation.
Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. 
To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly.  “Don'tbe 
unkind”. 
We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place 
for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any 
content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the 
Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes 
youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep 
Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. Ifyou see a Group or 
content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us 
[..yahoo-groups]. 
Yahoo Groups Guidelines

|  |
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people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help 
keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. |  |
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[..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems 
is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve 
themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing 
orseparating destructive asocial members.
There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by 
what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of 
getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and 
self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with 
good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack.
It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 
1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of 
the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into 
your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 
300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield 
Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate 
his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'...

I know you'll want to get right on this. 

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received 
acompliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas 
actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on 
someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. 
-JaiGuruYou


Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude.
Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful 
or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement 
(or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful.
Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or 
damage their reputation.
Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. 
To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly.  “Don'tbe 
unkind”. 
We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place 
for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any 
content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the 
Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes 
youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep 
Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. Ifyou see a Group or 
content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us 
[..yahoo-groups]. 
Yahoo Groups Guidelines
 
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groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each 
member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. ||
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[..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems 
is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve 
themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing 
orseparating destructive asocial members.
There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by 
what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of 
getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and 
self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with 
good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack.
It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies 
of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group 
[FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to 
stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum.
Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit and 
moral courageto kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of 
civildiscourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here toevenly 
protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up tothe folks left here 
to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discoursehas been 'thrown to the dogs' 
on FFL to tear up by a lack ofmoderation let alone any self-control.
The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not 
protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean 
conflict upon themselves 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Yes it reads like continued harassmentand ranting at this point. It is getting 
time for folks to relinquishhere this antagonized feeling about the 
groups-guidelines and to moveforward in greater alignment with them or move on. 
-JaiGuruYou!
But he is in alignment with them as you did used to post endless rants about 
how the place was going downhill, ironically in part because of your refusal to 
join in and post interesting and relevant stuff (like a lot of other people 
round here). You can't threaten people for complaining about you if they are 
justified in doing so. 

Thanks for getting my point. Since becoming moderator, Doug has been unable to 
find a single offence on the forum that he thought he could get away with 
moderating (a euphemism for deleting). Yet he seemingly has no intention of 
ceasing his endless rants about how this place needs moderation. Go figure. 
I'm merely suggesting that a case can be made that the only person still 
posting negativity to FFL on a regular basis and trying to bring people down by 
getting them to focus on it IS the moderator. 

And considering how much crap Tedious Dickwad posts on the average day that 
doesn't get as much as a mere mention from you one could almost say you are 
starting on a depressingly partisan note.
I think we should all keep an eye on any potential hypocrisy from you.
I suspect that such efforts would be justified. When the so-called moderator 
responds favorably to two people with a *long* history of stalking and 
harassing the posters they don't like on Fairfield Life, and in response 
threatens to delete posts by someone who is simply pointing out the moderator's 
*own* partisan bias, then something may just be rotten in the state of Denmark.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be 
deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the 
last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? 

I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's 
posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT 
ON.
No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. 
No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for 
moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom 
you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. 

It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good 
riddance. 
We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both 
successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of 
moderation again. Ever. 

  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
 
 This evidently is progressing.  As I read throughthis thread I feel you all 
moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved 
simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm 
notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you 
takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument.
However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way 
around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a 
pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line 
and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts 
asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for 
general reading as I may get around to them.
More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this 
thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any 
other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert 
insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel 
thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and 
post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and 
then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless 
chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to 
the group's dynamics and all the 

[FairfieldLife] The REAL reason TM TBs want to moderate FFL

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



Re: [FairfieldLife] Buh By

2015-06-17 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for explaining that, Curtis. It adds credence to my intuitive inner 
feeling when I read Doug's announcement -- that by adopting the Royal we, he 
was trying to take credit for something that someone with more integrity than 
he has had done.

Message received about not speaking ill of the dead, to make sure they stay 
that way. Graphics are cool, though...right?  :-)


  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Buh By
   
    Here is how it went down. R was phishing for my professional name. I told 
him that I keep my names separate on social media to prevent casual searches 
from combining my business and personal life. He responded by posting my 
personal Facebook page to out my real name AGAIN.

While this was going on Doug was occupied scolding Edg for his word choices 
that have never given Yahoo groups any trouble since he has been posting here.

So I emailed Rick who acted immediately to restore order in the kingdom.

Last time R did this he got banned for a month but was brought back because he 
was being talked about and couldn't respond. Personally I would like to see him 
stay in his crypt this time. 

I have not experienced such bizarrely unwarranted online malice since the other 
malicious R was ousted for trying to F me on the search engines. Both times 
Rick acted to protect my participation here and I appreciate that.

Posting on FFL has been a useful tool for me. I hope it can remain so. That way 
that happens IMO is for moderators to take out predators with clearly malicious 
agendas and leave the rest of the adults alone to post their mind freely with 
having to to worry:  I wonder what another person with more prudish language 
standards than I have will think about what I write?

 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

All of what I say below said, and meant, I don't think I'm alone here in saying 
that if the poster banned for outing someone turns out to be Tedious Dickhead, 
we can consider Doug's short tenure as FFL moderator a total success.  :-)
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 
1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of 
the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into 
your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 
300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield 
Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate 
his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'...

I know you'll want to get right on this. 

Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. 

Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post 
would go through.  :-)

But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient 
high. Uniform blandness will be achieved!
I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being 
posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that 
Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona 
named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL 
moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part 
of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to 
mention being contrary to what he promised Rick.
  From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
 
 DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant 
having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The 
offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy 
using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou


Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Expletive vs Explicative

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Just goes to show you that there are people on this world so fragile that if 
they hear an expletive, it affects them so strongly that they lose the ability 
to be explicative.

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Expletive vs Explicative
   
    Expletive is an oath or a swear word.Explicative is an adjective that means 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, 
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of 
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we 
were doing so much better, too...

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of profanity or see a lot of 
nudity but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not 
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Exactly. Just substitute Gita thumpers for Bible thumpers, and you've got 
FFL. 


  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
 On the entertainment forums I'm on we blast the bleeping which the 
networks feel compelled to do often just to satisfy the concerns of advertisers 
concerned about their perception of the Bible thumping Midwest.  This is why 
many of us are happy to have cut the cable where services like Netflix do no 
such bleeping unless it's already in some show they got from a US network.  
It's also interesting find what is in shows that come from across the border in 
Canada that are broadcast. 
 
 Several years back the FOX network sued to try to get rid of some of the FCC 
broadcast restrictions.  They lost.  It was a business move because after all 
it costs money to create two version of a show.  Case in point, the NBC show 
Aquarius actually shot two versions of some scenes.  The uncensored versions 
played in Australia.  I watched the show on Hulu which does not censor.
 
 It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of profanity or see a lot 
of nudity but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not 
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
 
 Last night I watched a fun little movie called Free the Nipple on Netflix.  
It's a fictionalized story of a real movement that began in New York to allow 
women to go topless in the city.  After all if guys can why can't women?
 
 America is a nation of issues.  And probably one of the benefits of getting 
FFL email is posts go out before deletion or censoring can even occur.  ;-) 
   
 On 06/16/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
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     And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated. 
  Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, 
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph,  which is as egregious an example of 
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we 
were doing so much better, too...
  
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
     
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with 
all the  [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better 
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure.  :-)

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting 
there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%# 
non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile 
brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some 
substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences 
like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you 
insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of 
Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling 
on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and 
your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on 
your Oh, what the $#@%.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, 
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of 
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we 
were doing so much better, too...

  From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    You are obviously an idiot — that was a new post with new material. You 
writers are just an elitist bunch of crappers.
On another benign note, I was once on a walk with a couple of people in 
Washington D.C. who were working for the college of natural law (real estate 
speculation). One of these fellows said that creativity was 'working to 
accepted standards'. I disagreed. The discussion had begun because I had 
brought up Gary Larson, the artist/writer who at the time was the creator of 
the Far Side comic published in the newspapers then. This fellow did not think 
Larson creative. 


Another in the same profession, Bill Waterson who wrote and drew Calvin and 
Hobbes is another who I considered creative. These two guys gave depth to 
comics because their writing and art had subtext, it did not hit you directly 
as most comics did with a rather flat model of humour, they forced you to think 
and draw lines between the dots and appreciate the irregularities of human 
behaviour.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with 
all the  [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better 
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure.  :-)

  From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
 
 Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting there 
in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%# non-believers 
spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile brown forsaken 
liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some substantial behaviour 
faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences like watching TV. 
Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you insignificant squashed 
bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of Incomprehensible Ascended 
Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling on your knees with your 
face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and your generation. A pox 
on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on your Oh, what the 
$#@%.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, 
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of 
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we 
were doing so much better, too...

  From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    Om Dear Edg, yes by the way it would help bring us all (FFL) in to 
alignment with yahoo-groups if youshould drop the all-cap profanity and the 
in-your-face profanity you use in your writing here. As acreative device it 
evidently went over folks that you were not in fact angryuntil you now later 
explained what you were doing with it as awriting device. Possibly by instead 
inserting the use of brackets[ ], [explicative deleted] as in the Watergate 
transcripts most all ofus would understand and it should better bring your 
writing herewithin guideline and yet also allow you to be creative with 
theimpact of your writing here. -JaiGuruYou
Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. 
-Yahoo-groups guidelines  



OK, for a moment there (Doug's earlier post today), I actually thought that 
there might be a possibility that Doug would allow this whole moderator thing 
to die down and stop using it as a platform to impose his own personal 
small-mindedness and puritanical beliefs on other people. 

But n. With this post he makes it clear that what he really wants IS to 
censor what people say, and to micro-manage even the language they use to say 
it. I look forward with some pleasure to seeing Edg and hopefully a few other 
people reply to this post appropriately by telling him to go [expletive 
deleted] himself. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my 
creativity that often features the anger tone?   Geeeze.  If I'm vociferous, so 
the fuck what?  
That's fine.

And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- 
unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED.  And to deny this when everyone 
here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION 
AGAINST ME.
No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you 
see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance 
into that?

Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters.

Can I get angry in a nanosecond?  OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN.  Can't you?

Can I have love flowing instantly?  OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN.  Can't you?

Have I lived a mostly normal life?  OF FUCKING COURSE I DID.  Didn't you?

I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, 
lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, 
husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner.  Got me tons of success and tons of 
failure.  OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR 
RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM.

I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and 
by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of 
processing.  CAN'T YOU?  Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO?
I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different 
mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts

If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you 
for wasting a life.  

Am I angry right now as I type this?  NOOO!  THIS IS FUN !  I'm writing!  
I'm putting words together just so.  

If I was angry, you'd not know  it until the boom was lowered -- would not want 
to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your 
porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous 
image into your mind..writers get away with this shit.

And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID 
MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY?  Get real -- no one here is worth my anger.  
And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real 
world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in 
the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old.  Not saying 
that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, 
but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances.  Lucky me, eh?

The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is 
too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate.  Doug can't nail Steve for having 
an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts 
-- impossible.  THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because 
everyone would fail at it.
Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the 
impression to others that you are not quite right mentally.

And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out 
to make someone feel 

[FairfieldLife] None Of That

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
More video commentary on the eternal question of who protects the rights of 
Art, when others are going around acting as if they have the right to censor 
that Art because it offends them. 
None of That - Official

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[FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent Moderation Is Really About

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is a fun rap to write in a way, because the audience that understands it 
will be almost by definition be limited to a small, self-selecting number of 
people on this forum. The others won't really get it, and I think we all know 
they won't do the homework necessary for them to *ever* get it, because they 
won't watch the TV show. Basically, this is the rap:
My suggestion for the best example I've found in fiction to represent what the 
mindset driving this recent push for moderation on Fairfield Life really is, 
what the emotions and motivations are that drive it, and what it hopes to 
accomplish, are the moments between 40:40 and 52:50 in the season finale of 
Game Of Thrones titled Mother's Mercy.
In that segment, a representative of the fanatical religious cult who calls 
himself the High Sparrow gets to force someone he hates to undergo his idea of 
atonement, walking naked through a crowd of people who jeer at the High 
Sparrow's victim and throw shit and and garbage at them, while his female 
sycophant walks along behind the victim, ringing a bell and chanting Shame!  
Shame!  Shame!  Shame! And all of this is viewed as not only necessary but the 
vindication of spirituality and religion -- what is needed to set things 
right and return society to its proper balance.

For those who have been watching Game Of Thrones, I allow you to choose who on 
FFL plays the role of the High Sparrow, and who plays the part of the Crazed 
Nun chanting Shame!  Shame!  Shame!  Shame! with a look of ecstasy on her 
face, as if finally being able to do this *and* get praised for it is the 
highest moment in her life. 
 


[FairfieldLife] Journalism At Its Worst

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sunday Times Snowden Story is Journalism at its Worst

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    This evidently is progressing.  As I read throughthis thread I feel you all 
moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved 
simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm 
notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you 
takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. 
However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way 
around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a 
pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line 
and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts 
asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for 
general reading as I may get around to them. 
More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this 
thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any 
other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert 
insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel 
thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou








  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the 
last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? 

I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's 
posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT 
ON.
No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. 
No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for 
moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom 
you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. 

It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good 
riddance. 
We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both 
successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of 
moderation again. Ever. 

 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    This evidently is progressing.  As I read throughthis thread I feel you all 
moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved 
simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm 
notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you 
takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. 
However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way 
around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a 
pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line 
and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts 
asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for 
general reading as I may get around to them. 
More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this 
thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any 
other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert 
insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel 
thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rich...@rwilliams.us wrote :

Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and 
post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and 
then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless 
chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to 
the group's dynamics and all the other considerations.
All you have to do is just follow this simple rule:
1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't 
let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my 
creativity that often features the anger tone?   Geeeze.  If I'm vociferous, so 
the fuck what?  
That's fine.

And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- 
unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED.  And to deny this when everyone 
here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION 
AGAINST ME.
No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you 
see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance 
into that?

Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters.

Can I get angry in a nanosecond?  OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN.  Can't you?

Can I have love flowing instantly?  OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN.  Can't you?

Have I lived a mostly normal life?  OF FUCKING COURSE I DID.  Didn't you?

I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, 
lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, 
husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner.  Got me tons of success and tons of 
failure.  OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR 
RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM.

I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and 
by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of 
processing.  CAN'T YOU?  Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO?
I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different 
mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts

If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you 
for wasting a life.  

Am I angry right now as I type this?  NOOO!  THIS IS FUN !  I'm 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent Moderation Is Really About

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Whatever. Here's a short version of the atonement from GOT (with commentary 
from GRRM) for those who have not found a way to watch what is essentially the 
most influential television series on the planet. 
SPOILER warning in effect -- if you ever plan to watch GOT, you might wanna 
skip this. 

Game of Thrones Season 5: Episode #10 - Cersei's Walk of Atonement (HBO)
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  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Someone here on FFL often in the past when I might discuss a TV show or 
movie respond as not my cuppa tea.  When the first season of Game of 
Thrones appeared on HBO I had that premium service and watched the first 
episode.  Not being of the dungeons and dragons mindset that was so popular 
back in the day it did not appeal to me.  Neither do most medieval or fantasy 
stories though the fascinate many.   I don't know what it is either than 
possible bad experience from a past life in that era whether genetic memory or 
an incarnation.
 
 You also can't fault people here for not watching the show as they may share 
my disinterest and/or like me not have HBO at their disposal.  Unless you're an 
Apple freak or still paying extortion fees to a corporate telecom it was 
unlikely you could get GOT legally anyway.  There is no more narcissistic and 
elitist media company than Time-Warner.  You must beg, serf, to see their 
precious jewels.
 
 The only show on HBO I have much interest it is seeing what they do or destroy 
what was already a near perfect UK sci-fi series Utopia.  We're waiting and 
probably to wait until 2016 to find out.  David Fincher has said he is 
dedicating 2015 to developing his version of it.  This coming month HBO Now 
will be available to more folks who prefer seeing things streaming.  But it is 
still not a wide roll-out.  And really, $15 a month is a bit stiff.
 
 You are a real fanboy of GOT, we get that.  Just like Lawson is a fanboy of 
Bablylon 5.  Not saying anything wrong of being a fanboy but the lesson you 
found in the GOT finale is also, as you should know being that literature is 
your field, found in other stories and TV shows as well.
 
 FFL is a divine comedy that Dante would be envious of.  One  could probably 
write several seasons of a TV series based on the  the characters and events 
here.  :-D 
 
 Or at least it might make a half decent soap opera.  After all it already is 
one.
  
 On 06/15/2015 02:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
     This is a fun rap to write in a way, because the audience that understands 
it will be almost by definition be limited to a small, self-selecting number of 
people on this forum. The others won't really get it, and I think we all know 
they won't do the homework necessary for them to *ever* get it, because they 
won't watch the TV show. Basically, this is the rap: 
  My suggestion for the best example I've found in fiction to represent what 
the mindset driving this recent push for moderation on Fairfield Life really 
is, what the emotions and motivations are that drive it, and what it hopes to 
accomplish, are the moments between 40:40 and 52:50 in the season finale of 
Game Of Thrones titled Mother's Mercy. 
  In that segment, a representative of the fanatical religious cult who calls 
himself the High Sparrow gets to force someone he hates to undergo his idea of 
a! tonement, walking naked through a crowd of people who jeer at the High 
Sparrow's victim and  throw shit and and garbage at them, while his female 
sycophant walks along behind the victim, ringing a bell and chanting Shame!  
Shame!  Shame!  Shame! And all of this is viewed as not only necessary but the 
vindication of spirituality and religion -- what is needed to set things 
right and return society to its proper balance.
  
  For those who have been watching Game Of Thrones, I allow you to choose who 
on FFL plays the role of the High Sparrow, and who plays the part of the Crazed 
Nun chanting Shame!  Shame!  Shame!  Shame! with a look of ecstasy on her 
face, as if finally being able to do this *and* get praised for it is the 
highest moment in her life. 
    

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This reminds me that I have to set up an evening out at the pub with a friend 
of mine here, who works for the ESA (European Space Agency) on two different 
projects that have gotten a mention here lately. First, and most immediately 
relevant, he was in charge of the database operations for the Rosetta project, 
so I'll ask him what's up now that Philae has rolled away the stone and come 
back to life. 

But the other, more long-term project he works on is that he is in charge of 
the database used to store info on comets, asteroids, and other space junk that 
might hit the earth. Suffice it to say that this DB is *huge*, and presents 
some problems we've discussed before (I used to work in DB, and was curious) 
about the relational design of the data and issues he might face with 
optimization and speed of retrieval. 

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum
   
    The European Space Agency (Esa) says its comet lander, Philae, has woken up 
and contacted Earth. 
Philae, the first spacecraft to land on a comet, was dropped on to the surface 
of Comet 67P by its mothership, Rosetta, last November. It worked for 60 hours 
before its solar-powered battery ran flat. The comet has since moved nearer to 
the Sun and Philae has enough power to work again, says the BBC's science 
correspondent Jonathan Amos. 
An account linked to the probe tweeted the message, Hello Earth! Can you hear 
me? On its blog, Esa said Philae had contacted Earth, via Rosetta, for 85 
seconds on Saturday in the first contact since going into hibernation in 
November.

We don't leave anyone behind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4PCI0NamI

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry

2015-06-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be quite amused if the first person who 
bites the dust on the New, Moderated Fairfield Life does so for violating 
unwritten rule #407.1 - Unrepentent Abuse of a Drama Queen.  :-)

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:49 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
   
    Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever 
degreeand for a large part of my adult life.

This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum.  

How so?

Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner 
emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch 
psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional 
states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would 
demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that 
decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just 
clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad.

Yet this is exactly the intent of your post.  You with no credentials are 
asserting something untrue about me.  
This is a foul accusation about me.  I protest to Doug.  

Doug?  There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up 
anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute.  My online 
history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer 
and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, 
raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER.  To interpret who I am from my online posts would 
require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings.  AS FUCKING IF.  
This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard.

And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another 
attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking 
stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going 
on in that little noggin' of his.  

It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is:  plain 
old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all 
protests.  What?  I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having 
such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that.  That's the tactic -- to 
me, it's Gestapol shit.

Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering 
statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but 
DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't.

But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, 
and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his 
wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you 
have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm 
mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation 
of your below text.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes 
through here in terms of its future efficacy.  Or present efficacy for that 
matter.
Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up 
from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this 
movement.
Does that make sense?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy?  You're sure he's not like, 
say, Harold Bloomfield?  Or Herbert Benson?  Or, any of the various experts 
that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from 
again?  

There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct?  
So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked 
that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who 
then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES?

The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, 
and about all the past heroes now in ruins.  How is it, then, that you DARE TO 
RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him?  Have you not 
yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others?  
How has your ability to pick a hero improved?  How can we believe you with such 
a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and 
NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement?  Where is your 
fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you 
bring to us?

Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal 
testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this 
doctor as if he should be saluted.  And if you're merely passing along some 
MUM promotional announcement, don't you think 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 7:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confusion
   
    Imagine my surprise...
And mine, to log on this morn after a day away and find you here -- what a 
pleasant surprise. I was off at (of all things) a large Techno/Rave festival 
near Leiden yesterday. It was an all-day event with lots of name DJs, and even 
though the crowd was *much* younger than me I enjoyed it. I would characterize 
the overall vibe as being like the original Monterey Pop Festival -- a bunch of 
kids having a peaceful and only mildly drug influenced (primarily MDMA) day and 
dancing to some nice music and hurting no one. Here's me, sitting in one of the 
fun props and set pieces the promoters created for people to play in:
  So my question is, who exactly is the person Rick put in charge of  
protecting and enforcing the civility here, the faux persona Buck or the 
actual person behind the schtick?
I don't think we know yet. 

I should point out, however, that you are assuming that there IS a person 
behind the schtick, and I don't think we know that for sure yet, either. 

And whose personal sensibilities are we to avoid (what Rauncy used to refer to 
as) the pearl clutching reaction to things people write here?

Am I supposed to write as if the strict movement fundamentalist Buck might be 
offended as part of his act, or am I supposed to imagine what the real person 
behind the put-on might think about what I write? And who is that guy anyway 
since I have read so much more from the mask creature.

Can I perhaps use the same artifice to express feelings I have, for example 
castigating any person who would suggest that perhaps this easily offended 
person should just grow a pair and stop trying to control what other people 
express here? Would I be protected if I said that I am vehemently opposed to 
anyone who might suggest that perhaps this whole ruse was just an attempt by a 
person who doesn't have the ability to generate meaningful content here to 
exert power over people with creative ability?

Would a  post heading of Why I believe that Maharishi was wrong about 
everything be grounds for me being expelled for hurting the tender feelings of 
people with weak intellectual boundaries? (Would the suggestion that some 
posters here HAVE weak intellectual boundaries be enough to bring the Church 
Lady down on my ass? Could referring to the persona Buck as the Church Lady 
be seen as hurting tender feelings or would it just fit into his Movement 
schtick and be exempt from his mighty power?

So many questions...
And so few answers. Personally, I still have a few questions about the What 
are you allowed/required to call people thang. On the one hand, I sorta get 
Doug's suggestion that it's OK to use someone's personal name if it 1) appears 
in their posting ID or 2) they've had no problems with people using their real 
name on this forum before.
On the other hand, that sorta glosses over some of the more complex scenarios 
that we have to deal with on FFL. For example, if a long-term member has used 
10 to 15 different posting IDs over the years, and only one of them was his 
real name, is it OK to refer to him on FFL by his real name? If not, and we 
must use the posting ID instead, *which* posting ID -- the latest one? If this 
person uses a different posting ID on The_Leak than they do here, which do we 
choose? 

See what I mean? Oh, the quandaries! Finally, if I were to give up on trying to 
figure out what the proper FFL-PC way to refer to someone is and instead go the 
figurative route and call them the Rachel Dolezal of enlightenment (I'm 
enlightened because I say I am), is that an affront or being clever? I guess 
the only way to find the answers to these heavy questions is to wait and see 
how things work out...

FFL was one of the most wonderful writing resources in my life. It encouraged 
me to write enough to express all the changing perspectives I had on the 
movement through a long period of time. And although to some, my views might be 
seen as not going through an evolution, I can assure you they did. Not about 
fundamentals like whether Maharishi's model of development of consciousness has 
merit, but in how I relate to people who still maintain what I view as a 
fantasy equivalent to the Christian concept of being saved, getting 
enlightened. There was even a period after Maharishi died where I 
experimented with TM again to give it another consideration from my perspective 
today, on its own without the belief hype. And although I concluded that as 
enjoyable as the experience is, it does not serve a value for my life today, I 
loved taking that trip down Mantra-Memory Lane.

FFL became unsafe for me to post on a while back when people decided that going 
after my personal life would be the best way to stop me from voicing my 
opinions here. It worked and 

[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones tonight

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Two members of my extended family are going to be watching it from Kings 
Landing (Dubrovnik). Is that cool, or what?



[FairfieldLife] W.W.J.S.D.

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What would Jerry Seinfeld do?
I mean, one of the oft-mentioned TM poster boys has been vocal lately about 
Political Correctness. He doesn't play college audiences any more because 
they've become so PC and faux-outraged at everything that he can't tell a joke 
there. 

Since it seems to fit in with issues and developments here on Fairfield Life, 
I'll pass along a short clip in which Bill Maher and Jeff Ross discuss PC 
culture (with a couple of obligatory Seinfeld mentions, so this clip is even 
TM-related):
Bill Maher And Jeff Ross Slam PC Culture

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:41 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion
   
    snip to

Writing more generally, soon I am goingto start following Rick's lead on this 
and start to delete posts ormore made to the list without warning where the 
invective in writingis personalized. Yes it is fine to comment, deal with and 
thoughtfully consider content but if folks are having arguments that are 
personalthey should just take themselves offline and spare FFL. Goingforward, 
personalized name-calling that is degrading, disrespectfulor humiliating will 
quickly be seen to become abuse on FFL. Read through theyahoo-groups guidelines 
and reflect. Where it is at all evident just expectto be moderated one way or 
another by any of the moderators withoutexplanation. 

Go for it. And good luck.

However, I do feel the need to point out that the approach you outline above 
still leaves you as The man behind the curtain, not only censoring the flow 
of content to Fairfield Life, but doing so in secret. 

If you delete posts, how will anyone know that you deleted them? Won't it be 
the same as those icky protect your kids software programs that keep the kids 
from seeing any porn on their computers, but that *also* protect them from 
seeing anything about birth control or abortion? Or, to use another analogy, 
wouldn't it be the same as you being the librarian at a small-town library and 
unilaterally deciding to remove certain books from the shelves, without 
notifying anyone *which* books?
As I said, good luck.

Generally, I do not expect to spend much timeediting at all on this or 
discussing this, particularly with trollsat all. Take the time to read over the 
yahoo-groups guidelines andwrite accordingly. Error well on the side of 
kindness and you will be wellwithin the yahoo-groups guidelines and fine.
 I appreciate and understand that some lot offolks here spend a lot of their 
life energy and time composing thingsto post on FFL. Going forward now, 
self-regulate yourselvesaccording to the yahoo guidelines error-ing well on the 
side of kindnessand save yourself your time invested in writing. Having to 
deleteposts is a terrible waste of your time and my time as well to have todo 
it.
 CDB, I am glad you are back.-JaiGuruYou
P.S.,  The Yahoo-groups 
Guidelines:https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote :

Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my concerns about 
Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it is OK to use Doug's 
real name officially. Much appreciated.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another 
way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far 
more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be.

Me: I don't see the connection.
You don't? Huh. I should think it would be obvious. The worse it's projected to 
be, the greater the justification for opposing it.
You are welcome to any interpretation you want to believe but my reasons were 
as stated.

J:
 Doug will get bounced as moderator by Rick if he overdoes things, and he knows 
it.

Me: When he let Richard back on I realized that I am on my own here and I have 
no trust in the system to protect my interests here. What is considered as 
overdoing is highly subjective.
See the quotes from Rick's posts below. I don't think there's much reason to 
expect him to go along with oppressive moderation given his past history, both 
with FFL and with the movement.
J:
 What Rick wants is for the horrific personal abuse to stop. 

Me: I don't know what evidence you have to support this statement either in its 
main point or your personal added spin. My guess is that Rick got sick of his 
bugging him about it and just wanted it to stop which I suspect is the same way 
Richard got back on within a month of being banned.
Again, see the quotes below. It wasn't just Doug. (And I wasn't one of those 
who contacted him, just for the record.)

J: Doug has various tools at his disposal short of banishment, including 
warnings and setting an individual's posts to come to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones tonight

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I've never been there, myself, but am looking forward to my friends' stories, 
because they might inspire me to visit there, too. 

Are you a follower of Game Of Thrones, Sal? This is what they turn Dubrovnik 
into as Kings Landing:

 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:19 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones 
tonight    
It's a great place, fabulous climate. I spent a year there on a TM course. You 
might think that doing 9 hours of TMSP every day wouldn't leave much time for 
sightseeing but you'd be surprised at how much we packed in. 
All you had to do was skip the knowledge meetings and you had a few extra 
hours twice a day for swimming, hiking in the hills near the course hotel or 
getting a bus into the old town - pictured here - and having an evening meal or 
tea at an ice cream parlour. You can walk round the walls of the city too, 
that's a pleasant afternoon well spent.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Two members of my extended family are going to be watching it from Kings 
Landing (Dubrovnik). Is that cool, or what?

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[FairfieldLife] An Honest Message from the Republican Party

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Already not looking forward to the horror that awaits us on FFL as America 
enters into its Silly Season and spends literally billions of dollars on 
election horseshit instead of fixing its many problems, I thought I'd pass 
along the only honest election message I've ever seen from the Republican Party:
The Young Turks | Facebook

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:15 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC
   
    Fairfield Life Post Counter
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Start Date (UTC): 06/13/15 00:00:00
End Date (UTC): 06/20/15 00:00:00
121 messages as of (UTC) 06/14/15 23:26:39

16 authfriend
 13 curtisdeltablues
 11 anartaxius
 10 Michael Jackson mjackson74

That sure didn't take long.   :-)

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, 

I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the 
things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean 
moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. 

But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I 
will tell you why:
1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, 
although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel 
positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that 
they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was 
offensive and insulting. 

2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to 
speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. 
She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few 
strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT 
find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel 
personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not 
only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in 
claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in 
essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 

3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language 
used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top 
(for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in 
the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that 
Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he 
was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in 
real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. 

I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the 
existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told 
to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that 
Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew 
better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this 
mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting 
to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would 
swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or 
breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being 
dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM 
teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally 
carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They 
*knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it 
for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the 
law. 

THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully 
chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author 
of the screed below want to admit. 

4. A *group* cannot feel insulted -- only individual humans can feel 
insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying 
something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and insults ALL Muslims. 
Bullshit. 95% of Muslims don't give a shit what some person from another 
religion or from no religion says about Mohammed. The people claiming that a 
*group* is offended are just posturing and demonstrating faux outrage. Below, 
this person is trying to recruit people who feel like they're a part of the 
group she's faux defending into agreeing with her, and feel insulted by 
what I posted. Unfortunately for her, many members of the TMer group here on 
FFL *didn't*, so she failed even in that. 

5. Finally, the last and most important point -- and the one that those like 
the person below who are *still* trying to use this moderator boondoggle to 
get the people they've obsessively hated for decades want to obscure -- is 
that all of this is IN THE PAST. As such, it is not admissible evidence when 
attempting to moderate or ban anyone in the future. 

Buck has elsewhere *claimed* that he will base his decisions as a moderator on 
current activity. I don't actually believe him, or believe him capable of doing 
so, but he *has* claimed it, so if he ever tries to moderate someone based on 
their supposed history, everyone has the right to say, Now WAIT a minute, 
Doug...you can't do that. You have to show us the exact post you feel is 
offensive, and it has to have been made since you became moderator and claimed 
in public that you would allow everyone to 'start over clean.' 

Doug, I do not envy you the task you've set for yourself. I think you were 
quite foolish to undertake it, in fact. But since you have, I really *AM* 
trying to help by pointing out errors of thinking that -- if you 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and 
got post 416431 instead. Sorry. 

Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. 

I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug 
actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not 
terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT 
a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that 
he's characterizing as a threat.


Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass 
into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming 
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who 
need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I 
hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come.

   

   From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would 
hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience 
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them.  You 
seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would 
pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide 
safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? 
For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or 
someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation 
here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what 
evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL 
as avehicle.   


OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so 
far) of moderating this group fairly:
1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from 
serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful 
enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a threat. 

2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed 
to is *also* not a threat in any way. He said, Even if I say that Marshy was 
a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? In the 
recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a 
statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a 
threat?  WTF, man.  

3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a slurring 
rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, as you claim above in your last 
sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and 
in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con 
artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this 
evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating 
actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a 
slur, let alone a threat. 

Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever 
expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the 
posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are 
anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to 
get it under control. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote :

And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual 
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to 
every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike.
I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual 
awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result?

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 
I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as 
necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards.  We see most folks here 
thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant 
with the ultimate reality of their recent experience.  

To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about 
levitation necessarily true.  Even the person who levitates can be expected to 
have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of 
nay

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would 
hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience 
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them.  You 
seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would 
pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide 
safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? 
For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or 
someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation 
here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what 
evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL 
as avehicle.   


OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so 
far) of moderating this group fairly:
1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from 
serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful 
enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a threat. 

2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed 
to is *also* not a threat in any way. He said, Even if I say that Marshy was 
a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? In the 
recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a 
statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a 
threat?  WTF, man.  

3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a slurring 
rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, as you claim above in your last 
sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and 
in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con 
artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this 
evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating 
actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a 
slur, let alone a threat. 

Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever 
expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the 
posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are 
anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to 
get it under control. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote :

And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual 
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to 
every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike.
I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual 
awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result?

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 
I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as 
necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards.  We see most folks here 
thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant 
with the ultimate reality of their recent experience.  

To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about 
levitation necessarily true.  Even the person who levitates can be expected to 
have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of 
nay-saying.

Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper 
degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent 
thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences.

Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being 
bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is 
obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner.

Stone, glass house and all that.  No one gets to toss the first stone.  Or the 
second.

I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer 
and running with it, would be especially careful to underline ones obvious 
conflict of interests.  

As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences.  Harrumph.  
While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of 
FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic 
information needed to be clear about spirituality.  Only I could know if that's 
true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal.   I claim that 
this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.

And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Probably more than I do.  :-)

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris
   
    Does Paris have the Buddha-nature?





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Here's a nice video posted by a Facebook friend today. The sentiment at the end 
made me think of my dog Paris and how much I miss him: When someone you love 
walks through your door, even if it happens five times a day, you should just 
go totally insane with joy. That's Paris below the video link...

Denali

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[FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is 
very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about 
trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want. 

Take the issue of group behavior in Fairfield. For decades the TMO and 
individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them 
to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or 
getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the 
blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as spiritual as they wanted to be, in the 
*ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those 
people as a means of solving the problem. 

I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield -- 
thinks that's the way he has to solve the problem of Fairfield Life not being 
as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of 
what he's said so far about his view of what moderation is involves PUNISHING 
someone for not acting right. 

Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by 
shoveling out the dark; you add some light. 

Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that 
FFL isn't spiritual enough for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual 
spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile, 
many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number 
of spiritual topics. Go figure. 

Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve 
the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it 
deserved. The local city had already tried the Fix blame and PUNISH the 
offenders route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different 
approach:
CRYPTIK | Facebook

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Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for posting this, Michael. I had noticed it in the queue after the clip 
I posted, but didn't have the time to watch it earlier. I really like this guy. 

I don't know about you, but for me it's just a revelation to stumble upon a 
spiritual teacher whose spiel doesn't make me want to throw up in my mouth. 

This guy makes me laugh, he makes me think...what's not to like?

  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once 
impressed Turq
   
    Words Of My Perfect Teacher: Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche Interview
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 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed 
Turq
   
    Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough 
for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality. 

This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I 
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The 
Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers 
and Magicians. 

He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he 
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered 
a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out 
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous 
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage: 

Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At 
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third 
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan 
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found 
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar 
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify 
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated 
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship 
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro 
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the 
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking 
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was 
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I 
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked 
him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby 
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my 
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and 
tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that 
I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get 
It. 

They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount 
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who 
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient 
equanimity demonstrated as well. 

Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to 
Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very 
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the 
guy interesting. YMMV.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I 
would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, 
especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or 
authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic 
psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are 
more TM fluff and bs. 

OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just 
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what 
you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against 
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes 
that he can get his act together and his TM ego out of the way and become a 
truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that 
hope. 

I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any 
desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have 
stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those 
guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud 
instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love 
to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. 

What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such 
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield 
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat 
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to 
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. 

I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted 
here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the 
tone for all his followers.

I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. 

It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's 
been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no 
other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done 
consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor 
ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU 
use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way (I would verbally slap 
this jackass into the middle of next week), suddenly it's a threat. 

I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already 
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be 
neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, 
and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. 

Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. 

I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug 
actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not 
terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT 
a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that 
he's characterizing as a threat.


Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass 
into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming 
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who 
need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I 
hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come.

   

   From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would 
hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience 
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them.  You 
seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would 
pushing the 'moderate' button

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 Just out of interest though, what do you think the term spiritual actually 
 means?
I haven't seen Doug's answer to this, but thought that the question deserved 
*some* response, so here's one from Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, discussing that 
very question: What is spirituality?
The Four Foundations of Mindfulness – Lion's Roar

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Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, spirituality means relating with the working basis of 
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 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    
RE post 416341
It's just a knee jerk reaction, nothing to worry about. I said exactly the same 
thing only with the addition of a few qualifying statements. I'm sure that if 
anyone from MUM joined up for a chat we'd all be interested to hear what they 
have to say, just because we rant occasionally amongst ourselves doesn't mean 
we're a bunch of animals. When Fred Travis joined in with TM-Free he got a very 
respectful welcome and some serious questions all of which he attempted to 
answer - he even agreed with me that the TMO shouldn't try to make money out of 
products - yagya, MVVT etc - that it hasn't scientifically verified!
I'd rather you got Nader or Hagelin though, I'll line up some proper physicists 
and we'll have a grand old time.
Just out of interest though, what do you think the term spiritual actually 
means?
It comes from the Latin Spiritus Animus or that which animates us. The idea 
being that there is some spark or soul within us that gives us life. It's a 
term that seems to have morphed somewhat in recent years though with the 
co-opting and mingling of scientific principles with eastern thought whether 
it's justified or not. Discussions about whether such an entity exists, how it 
might work and what it might do are what interest me most, and whether 
Spiritual is a mere religious system nowadays rather than the all 
encompassing Theory of Everything that it claims to be.
Anyway, it's lucky that Rick just put FFL in that category because it seems to 
fit with the TM belief system and that he wasn't seriously expecting us to 
limit our conversation to matters of the new age and nothing else.
From the FFL home page:
Pretty much any topic is fair game.
What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is 
the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell 
I mention all this Doug, because you have a history of accepting and promoting 
the dogmatic insistence of the TMO that certain of it's beliefs are in fact 
facts and I don't want alternative viewpoints moderated on partisan grounds.
Things should stand or fall on the strength of evidence not devotion.
The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. ~ The I Ching







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope 
that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience 
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them.  You 
seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'.Would 
pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide 
safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? 
For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or 
someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation 
here, without threat of abuse.Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what 
evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL 
as avehicle.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual 
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to 
every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike.
I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual 
awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result?

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 
I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as 
necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards.  We see most folks here 
thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant 
with the ultimate reality of their recent experience.  

To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about 
levitation necessarily true.  Even the person who levitates can be expected to 
have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of 
nay-saying.


[FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq

2015-06-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough for 
you, right? Well, here's some spirituality. 

This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I 
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The 
Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers 
and Magicians. 

He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he 
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered 
a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out 
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous 
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage: 

Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At 
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third 
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan 
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found 
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar 
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify 
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated 
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship 
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro 
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the 
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking 
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was 
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I 
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked 
him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby 
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my 
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and 
tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that 
I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get 
It. 

They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount 
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who 
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient 
equanimity demonstrated as well. 

Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to 
Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very 
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the 
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think I missed the part where he got fucked over. It sounded to me like he 
ran into someone charismatic, fell for their spiel, and now years later is 
trying to find some way to pretend that he didn't make the decisions he made. 

For the record, some of the things he says about Randy, his teacher, and his 
over-enthusiasm to recruit him as a student may be true. I had already 
*stopped* teaching new students (except to give free intro lectures) at that 
point because the Rama guy had taken all of the fun out of teaching for me by 
making it almost competitive. Really. The schtick was Find 12 students, get 
them to sign up and then take them on as your 'apprentices' and I'll give you a 
spiritual name. 

My response was, Big whoop...I've already got a name, thank you, followed by 
Well, that's certainly icky, so I had nothing to do with teaching any of 
these guys. I gave intro lectures and if anyone was interested in learning 
more, I passed them along to the sanest of my friends so they could take over 
their 'apprenticeship.' 
Basically, I disagree about his premise that he was hypnotized. Except in the 
sense that he hypnotized *himself*, aided by a guy who fed his delusions. As 
the guy himself says, Since we walked in wanting 1) to be special, and 2) for 
life to have some magic, they had us, whether we saw the gold or not. He and 
his girlfriend hypnotized *themselves*, by falling for the first charismatic 
person who promised them both #1 and #2. 

For the record, what this guy Jim Piciarello leaves out is his role in things 
once he'd decided to blame the decisions he made on having been hypnotized. 
He started working with cult deprogrammers from CAN that were sicced on him by 
his parents, in an era in which the term cult deprogrammers was synonymous 
with kidnappers. 

The only way he touches on this aspect of his cult experience is when he says 
at the end I ultimately got out with help when my concerned high school 
friends and family joined forces, did the research on how to communicate with a 
cult member who cannot think critically, and engaged me in a peaceful 
intervention. He fails to mention the part where he later *joined* these 
deprogrammers and got paid by concerned Rama students' parents to kidnap their 
adult kids to rescue them, earning up to $10,000 a pop for his services. 

He also leaves out something even more essential IMO, which is that the cult 
deprogrammers who recruited him so effectively that he wound up working for 
them took advantage of the same naivete that Rama had -- they told him he was 
1) special, and that 2) his life would be magic if he helped to kidnap his 
former associates. And he fell for it again, having learned nothing. 

  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
   
    One guy's blabber about Rama, sort of.
The Time I Was Recruited Into A Cult
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison - Om Hare Om Gopala Krishna

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Just so I don't forget to reply to this (and so you don't feel as if you are 
the only person who has ever felt this), I interject a big Me, too!
Back in the day, as all this was still happening, I always felt that George 
quickly became the *least* interesting Beatle, because he (as I experienced him 
through his music) became the most dogmatic and the most compelled to think 
other people's ideas. 

Paul became the second-most boring because he started pandering not only to 
other people's ideas, but to the lowest common denominator of other people's 
ideas. Without ever introducing any significant ideas of his own into the mix. 

Ringo was always a sleeper agent of a rock star, and so although his music 
didn't always reflect it, he seemed to have had a grand old time for a few 
years there in L.A. trying to drink himself to death along with his buddy Harry 
Nilsson and John. Harry succeeded. Ringo -- to his credit -- did not, and 
continued to be somewhat interesting. 

The most interesting Beatle after the breakup was the most interesting Beatle 
before the breakup. John was the superstar (How right you are!), and remained 
the superstar after the group disbanded. I sometimes wonder what kind of music 
he'd be making today if he'd lived. 

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison - Om Hare Om Gopala Krishna
   
    Haven't heard that one for a while - thanks.
Is it just me or does any one else think that after Harrison took up with 
Indian ways - and after the Beatles' break-up and him producing his solo albums 
- his music did come across as a bit - what's the word? - a bit of a downer? 
He's supposed to have found God so shouldn't his songs be all light and joy? 
(OK - My Sweet Lord is one of a kind.) But I prefer the old (ie, young) 
unregenerate George when he was irreverent.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LXzRp05VJo

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Ol' Freddie seemed to be quite a control freak and is said to use divide 
and conquer to control his minions.  Not someone worth emulating or channeling.
I can't disagree. There were a few years there back in the early days when he 
was a veritable spiritual shooting star, and to just be around him when he was 
ON was to experience a shininess that truly cannot be captured in words. 

What he *did* with that shininess, and what he allowed it to do to the way he 
treated other people, is a damned fuckin' shame. I have *still* never met 
another human being on planet Earth with as great a potential to be great as 
Fred Lenz. It breaks my heart sometimes that he pissed it away. 

 On 06/11/2015 07:39 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
     I was wondering what you would think of this all - just happened to see it 
on someone's facebook page. I sort of looked askance at that hypnotism business 
too. Thanks for giving your take on this. 
   
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
   
     I think I missed the part where he got fucked over. It sounded to  
me like he ran into someone charismatic, fell for their spiel, and now years 
later is  trying to find some way to pretend that he didn't make the decisions 
he made. 
  
  For the record, some of the things he says about Randy, his  teacher, and 
his over-enthusiasm to recruit him as a student may be true. I had already  
*stopped* teaching new students (except to give free intro lectures) at that 
point because the Rama guy had taken all of the fun out of teaching for me  by 
making it almost competitive. Really. The schtick was Find 12 students, get 
them to sign up and then take them on as your 'apprentices' and I'll give you a 
spiritual name. 
  
  My response was, Big whoop...I've already got a name, thank you,  followed 
by Well! , that's certainly icky, so I had nothing to do with teaching any  
of these guys. I gave intro lectures and if anyone was interested in learning 
more, I passed them along to the sanest of my friends so they could take  over 
their 'apprenticeship.'  
  Basically, I disagree about his premise that he was hypnotized. Except  in 
the sense that he hypnotized *himself*, aided by a guy who fed his delusions. 
As the guy himself says, Since we walked in wanting 1) to be special, and  2) 
for life to have some magic, they had us, whether we saw the gold or not. He 
and his  girlfriend hypnotized *themselves*, by falling for the first 
charismatic person who promised them both #1 and #2. 
  
  For the record, what this guy Jim Piciarello leaves out is his  role in 
things once he'd decided to blame the decisions he made on having been 
hypnotized. He  started working with cult deprogrammers from CAN that were 
sicced on him by his parents, in an era in which the term cult deprogrammers 
was synonymous  with kidnappers. 
  
  The only way he touches on this aspect of his cult experience is when he 
says at the end I ultimately got out with help when my concerned high school 
friends  and family joined forces, did the research on how to communicate with 
a cult member  who cannot think critically, and engaged me in a peaceful 
intervention. He fails to mention the part where he later *joined* these 
deprogrammers and  got paid by concerned Rama students' parents to kidnap their 
adult kids to rescue them, earning up to $10,000 a pop for his services. 
  
  He also leaves out something even more essential IMO, which is  that the cult 
deprogrammers who recruited him so effectively that he wound up working for  
them took advantage of the same naivete that Rama had -- they told him he was 
1) special, and that 2) his life would be magic if he helped to kidnap his  
former associates. And he fell for it again, having learned nothing. 
  
 
 
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June ! 11, 2015 11:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
   
     One guy's blabber about Rama, sort  of. 
  The Time I Was Recruited Into A  Cult  
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[FairfieldLife] R.I.P. Christopher Lee

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What a face. What a voice. What a career. 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11/christopher-lee-dead_n_7560232.html



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Historical insults and put-downs
Mark Twain: The trouble ain't there is too many fools, but that the lightning 
ain't distributed right.



   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

...For example there is a wide range of intelligence here. Now somebody, we are 
not saying who, must be the stupidest person on FFL, though in all fairness, 
they may have all moved over to The Peak, that phallic symbol pointing up into 
the sky. Once we discover the stupidest person here, one of us, or several of 
us need to attack that person's 'person', their ego, by implying directly and 
forcefully they are in fact, not just in surmise, the stupidest person on FFL. 
Then, Doug has to determine if the stupidest person here person has been 
sufficiently maligned to warrant action against the violator for having pointed 
out a simple fact. 

Interesting. You certainly make a good case for how difficult Doug's job will 
be. 

Just riffing on this theoretical scenario, Anartaxius, do you think it would be 
easier for Doug to make such a Solomon-like decision if the person who had been 
named as the stupidest person on FFL had made eight posts just in the two days 
since Doug was made moderator, *each* of them violating the Yahoo Guidelines in 
some way?
Of course I do not know. Suppose we called someone a criminal. Now that might 
violate the guidelines. But suppose that person was arrested the next day for a 
felony? Would the person making the now correct call be reinstated? Doug in 
posting definitions of various kinds of slurs included the word 'irreverence' 
but that word does not appear in the guidelines. I think that kicking a person 
off FFL for irreverence would be a violation of free speech, for from a 
religious person's view, an atheist is irreverent but has just as much right 
under U.S. law as people who have more difficulty grasping logic and fact. The 
religious unaffiliated are now 28.8% of the U.S. population, more than mainline 
Protestant, Catholic, and non-Christian believers. The only group larger than 
the 'nones' as they are called, is the Evangelical Christians. In the 
Netherlands, the religiously unaffiliated are 42.1% of the population and it is 
increasing. People are not just posting from the United States here. The 
'nones' are 27.8% of the United Kingdom (as long as it remains united anyway).

All good points. As for me, I don't know how Doug is going to work out in his 
new position as the moderator he's always wanted to be. His intent may be good, 
but I don't think I'm alone in questioning his ability to act fairly. I think 
the first indication of whether he can or not will be revealed in how he reacts 
-- or even IF he reacts -- to my two posts about his practice of spamming what 
*he* considers The Yahoo Groups Guidelines every day. 

As I've suggested, the first 307 words of that message (which has been reposted 
seemingly dozens of times now) strike me as OK, because they mainly ARE the 
actual Yahoo Guidelines, along with a few definitions of terms. The 1,300+ 
words that follow, however, are just one long rant by Doug, and one that 
strikes me as incredibly biased in support of one small group of people here 
and their viewpoint, while being equally incredibly bigoted *against* another 
group and *their* viewpoint. 

I honestly don't see how anyone who wishes to even *pretend* to be fair can 
keep posting it. 

In a very real sense, it's like someone who has been recently elected as a 
large corporation's Chief Equality Officer to insure that all races are treated 
equally releasing a daily memo whose first 300 words are the actual rules that 
prohibit discrimination, followed by a 1,300+ word diatribe against niggers. 

  

[FairfieldLife] In Memory of Denali...and Paris

2015-06-11 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Here's a nice video posted by a Facebook friend today. The sentiment at the end 
made me think of my dog Paris and how much I miss him: When someone you love 
walks through your door, even if it happens five times a day, you should just 
go totally insane with joy. That's Paris below the video link...

Denali

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Computers Contain Filth: Pope

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Computers Contain Filth: Pope
   
    I think Pope Frank needs to stop judging all computers with the stuff he 
finds on Vatican computers.

Well said. Can you *imagine* the amount of child porn they'd find on Vatican 
computers? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote :

One wonders if he means FFL is bad for the soul.  What do you think?
Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope says

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Just thought I'd respond to mention that I like this story (below). As it turns 
out, this is exactly what my strategy was when I was still competing in martial 
arts competitions (non-contact karate back in the 60s). I would just watch and 
wait, and then respond only when the other person had committed themselves. I 
didn't actually compete in that many tournaments (other interests -- like 
discovering LSD -- took me away from my karate studies soon afterwards), but I 
never lost a match using this strategy. The only memorable match I did lose was 
when the other guy ran this same number on me, but better, forcing me to make 
the first move. And I can't feel too badly about that loss, because it was to a 
young Chuck Norris, who went on to win the World Championship that year.  :-) 

Interestingly, I can see how it would be just as effective a strategy when 
dealing with Internet trolls. Just let them sputter and call names and curse. 
There is simply *no need* to ever respond unless they cross the line and 
actually commit to a course of action that requires a response, like (citing 
recent history) posting actual libel and encouraging others to act on it.
It seems to me that this strategy will be even more effective for dealing with 
our remaining trolls in the Age Of Buck. They won't be able to stop trying to 
get those of us they're obsessed with, but to do so they actually have to 
make the first move and attack or insult us. The moment they do, THEY are the 
ones guilty of being unkind, belligerent, exploitative, degrading, insulting, 
using slurs, profanity or ranting, and thus if Doug is doing his job, they'll 
not only defeat themselves like the young guy in this story, they'll be 
moderated and outa here, and we won't have to worry about them any more. 


  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat 
any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and 
many students gathered to study under him.
One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to 
be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an 
uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait 
for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then 
would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted 
with him in a match beyond the first move.
Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly 
accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the 
young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit 
in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult 
known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood there motionless and calm. 
Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left 
feeling shamed.
Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students 
gathered around the old master and questioned him. How could you endure such 
an indignity? How did you drive him away?
If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it, the master 
replied, to whom does the gift belong?

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
   
    And if I could write I'd love to have the sort of patience that can plough 
through endless old files and letters in dusty foreign archives, looking for 
things nobody knew before. It must take years unless you have a team of 
researchers.
Patrick O'Brien did that very thing. I used to love reading his Aubrey/Maturin 
series of nautical novels. Later I started reading about that period and read 
up on some of the naval engagements of the time and discovered that some of the 
descriptions of battles he lifted almost verbatim from old records and eye 
witness accounts. Still, he was a grand writer in my opinion.

My favorite author is Dorothy Dunnett, who did the same thing. She has actually 
been praised for being precise and accurate in  her citations of real history 
in the same way that Patrick O'Brian was, but better. Numerous historians 
have commented that her two great historical novel sets -- The Game of Kings 
and The House of Nicolo are on the whole, more accurate than most of the 
history books you can find that deal with the same eras. Dorothy also wrote a 
marvelous book called King Hereafter that was a telling of the story of the 
*real* Scottish king Macbeth. She considered it her masterpiece. 

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:45 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Re : But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape :
I asked you a short while back if you were a professional writer as you do post 
polished prose in your messages. You said you weren't!
I am undone! But not really. To excuse the poor writing here I was refering to 
a book I mentioned earlier in the day in another post. Without that pre-loading 
I would have said Guy Wilson's book on the Great Escape.
And if I could write I'd love to have the sort of patience that can plough 
through endless old files and letters in dusty foreign archives, looking for 
things nobody knew before. It must take years unless you have a team of 
researchers.
You also seem to have lived in a lot of TMO mansions! You don't have a golden 
crown at home do you?
I coulda been a contender...
They really wanted me to do TTC for some reason, probably because I'm 
relatively outgoing and don't look like one of those pale cave fish that most 
long term movement types remind you of after their years of eating rice and 
dhal on long rounding courses. 
But to do that you have to have studied SCI - Science of Creative Intelligence, 
and after my experience of the Total Knowledge course the whole thing was 
pretty much out of the question. I seriously doubt they'd let me teach as 
promoting the knowledge is part of the job description. Their loss.
So eventual elevation to the heights of Rajadom wasn't going to happen as all 
TM hoops have to be jumped through before you get a gig like that I should 
think.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of 
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right 
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive 
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how 
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out 
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to 
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus 
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. The rich 
won't eat in a poor house he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that 
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve 
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our 
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the 
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used 
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including 
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified 
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a 
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?

  

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[FairfieldLife] Overlooking the obvious -- if we can terraform, why not terraform EARTH?

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Why don't we just terraform Earth?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

...For example there is a wide range of intelligence here. Now somebody, we are 
not saying who, must be the stupidest person on FFL, though in all fairness, 
they may have all moved over to The Peak, that phallic symbol pointing up into 
the sky. Once we discover the stupidest person here, one of us, or several of 
us need to attack that person's 'person', their ego, by implying directly and 
forcefully they are in fact, not just in surmise, the stupidest person on FFL. 
Then, Doug has to determine if the stupidest person here person has been 
sufficiently maligned to warrant action against the violator for having pointed 
out a simple fact. 

Interesting. You certainly make a good case for how difficult Doug's job will 
be. 

Just riffing on this theoretical scenario, Anartaxius, do you think it would be 
easier for Doug to make such a Solomon-like decision if the person who had been 
named as the stupidest person on FFL had made eight posts just in the two days 
since Doug was made moderator, *each* of them violating the Yahoo Guidelines in 
some way?

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    If you really are the Guardian of the Yahoo Guidelines Galaxy, then it is 
incumbent upon you to do your sacred duty and ban all of us, including yourself 
because every one of us has ranted.
And in all fairness Doug continues to spam Fairfield Life by continuing to post 
this 1,680-word rant over and over and over and over and over. 

He *might* be able to make a case for reposting the topmost 307 words of it 
(the actual Yahoo Guidelines), but there is NO EXCUSE for reposting what 
follows, which is nothing but Doug's own long-winded rant. 

Within the rant itself he also violates the guidelines himself multiple times, 
because he calls several people bullies, (the sin of being insulting, and 
casting slurs against other posters), characterizes others as dogs (the sin 
of making unkind or degrading remarks), uses the word F*ck several times (the 
sin of profanity), and calls at least three people by their real names, which 
are not reflected in their posting IDs (the non-Yahoo but FFL sin of outing 
someone by referring to them by their own name without their permission). 

I would suggest that to set a good example, Doug pretty much HAS to stop 
posting this obvious rant, and limit himself to reposting the first 307 words 
(the part between the two # marks). I would think that if he were serious about 
enforcing the real Yahoo Guidelines he'd be *embarrassed* to keep spamming the 
newsgroup with this obvious rant, in which he himself violates those guidelines 
multiple times.  

 

 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    # June 10#
Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude.
Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful 
or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement 
(or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful.
Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or 
damage their reputation.
Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. 
To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly.  “Don'tbe 
unkind”. 
We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place 
for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any 
content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the 
Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes 
youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep 
Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. Ifyou see a Group or 
content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us 
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[..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems 
is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve 
themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing 
orseparating destructive asocial members.
There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by 
what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of 
getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and 
self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with 
good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack.
It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies 
of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group 
[FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to 
stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum.
Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit 

[FairfieldLife] Fodder for the ongoing AI / Robotics discussion

2015-06-10 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Can a robot be trained to perform Iaijutsu as well as an Iaijutsu master?
Iaijyutsu Master Faces Off Against Sword-Swinging Robot Arm

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[FairfieldLife] Recent published scientific theory was created by an AI

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well, *that* horse is out of the barn. A recent paper published in the journal 
PLOS Computational Biology was completely developed by an Artificial 
Intelligence, and solves a mystery that humans have previously been unable to 
explain. 

Computer independently solves 120-year-old biological mystery (Wired UK)


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[FairfieldLife] David Lynch and the wisdom of his book Catching the Big Fish

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lynch, whose intellect and ability to deal with deep concepts seems to be as 
challenged as Deepak Chopra's, says in his book Catching the Big Fish, Ideas 
are like fish. If you want to catch little fish, you can stay in the shallow 
water. But if you want to catch the big fish, you've got to go deeper.
Turns out Mr. Lynch is wrong. The fish in the photo below (NOT 
Photoshopped...it's a goliath tigerfish, and weighs 55 pounds) thrives in the 
fairly shallow waters of African rivers. Wouldn't you pay big bucks to see the 
expression on Lynch's face if he encountered *this* big fish?   :-)

     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

    If this wordy, badly written, convoluted, and incoherent paragraph below is 
a sign of what's to come - and I think it is exactly what we can expect - then 
let the fun begin!

Hell and Handbasket come to mind.
I've been trying to be gracious, but you make a good point. When the person 
chosen to be the moderator of a contentious group doesn't even realize that 
he's no longer writing coherent English sentences, it doesn't give me a lot of 
faith in Rick's belief that Doug is the right choice to lead Fairfield Life to 
a new age of peace and civility. 

I don't know why we'd be surprised at Rick's choice, however. He *is*, after 
all, the same person who presented both Ravi Chivukula and Jim Flanegin to the 
world as examples of enlightenment. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

DearMJ; Son, I have not problem with your content here. My moderatinginterests 
are in the parity of the use and impact of words within theYahoo-groups 
guidelines. Shocking as your content may be to someother people's sensibility 
these comment may possibly make fairconversation on Fairfieldlife at 
yahoo-groups [FFL] so long as there is some evident factto back them up 
[reference to the testimony already in the FFL archive] ..and they are not used 
simply as a means to slursomeone on a public forum. -JaiGuruYou



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he 
was a serial womanizer? Just figured I would test how deep or shallow the newly 
moderated waters are, you see.


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Genius and insanity...

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A good topic, one that has been discussed elsewhere with both insight and humor:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16559_7-eccentric-geniuses-who-were-clearly-just-insane.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness
Given our history as a species and the sheer *number* of people considered by 
our modern society to be great artists but whose society while they lived 
considered them to be crazier than a bedbug, I cannot help but be grateful for 
each little spark of madness we've managed to keep alive, while society 
attempts to douse it and keep it from ever becoming the flame of true creative 
genius. 

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  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 10:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Genius and insanity...
  
    This is interesting. Seems fairly obvious that a mind supercharged with 
hypomania will be more creative than a more typically dull one. That Van Gogh 
was a manic depressive seems like it might be a reliable 
diagnosis-at-a-distance, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also a great painter 
anyway, oh no. The guy was a genius too. His radical blend of impressionism and 
elements taken from Japanese painting coupled with an observant eye for nature 
and knowledge of the ultimately pointless and ephemeral nature of life and his 
belief in social justice made him a radical figure and not much understood in 
his day.
But would he have been more successful if he'd been normal? There's no way to 
know. But a soul on fire looks at the world in a different way and doesn't just 
accept it. To feel the world's pain as well as your own isn't everyone's lot in 
life - fortunately for them - but it does give the sufferer/blessed a 
perspective that makes everyone else confront something they hadn't seen.
Drugs are another way of breaking the chain of social conditioning. It's hardly 
any wonder there was a massive cultural revolution when the CIA stopped trying 
to brainwash people with LSD and gave it to a young writer called Ken Kesey. 
The rest is (or should be) history.
So yes, I'm firmly in the camp that thinks breaking down internal barriers sets 
you free to create the sort of things you actually want to create rather than 
the ones the birth-school-work-death-world wants you to choose from.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
   
    And you [steve] are on the playground complaining about what? I find this 
all rather interesting. It would seem Barry is faced with a potential unknown 
obstacle. But he is creative and a good writer, he should be able to weave 
around this if Doug remains a model of restraint. 

Exactly. My approach to this new Follow The Holy Yahoo Guidelines Or Else 
experiment is to do exactly that.  I have resolved to never bother to read or 
reply to posts from any of the four people I consider trolls, and I will do my 
best to not even refer to them, so the question of insulting them or 
demeaning them shouldn't really come up. 

The fifth person I have considered a troll for the last year or so is now the 
moderator, so I may have to occasionally refer to him and even reply to him, 
but I hope I shall be able to do so with some modicum of decorum, as I have 
done in my posts today. I already made my concerns about possible lack of 
transparency problems with FFL moderation in a post yesterday, and if Doug is 
paying attention, he'll follow my suggestion and never ban someone without 
explaining *explicitly* which of the Yahoo Guidelines he feels the person being 
banned violated, and without re-publishing the offending post, so that others 
can either agree with his decision, or disagree with it. 

It should be an interesting experiment. Even if I respected Doug's abilities to 
pull off this exercise in herding cats (I don't), I wouldn't stand in the way 
of him *trying* to pull it off. 

And besides, it could be worse. He could be trying to moderate a Clown Forum:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. 

If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems.  :-)

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most magical thinking, 
but here we find you being quite the believer.  That explained quite a few of 
my dreams during the period I lived there.  :-)  Would this be hypocrisy or 
you just playing loose with what's real?  I ask this in the fullest sincerity 
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :



Excellent. 

A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd 
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented 
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a 
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something off about it. 
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries 
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during 
the period I lived there.  :-)

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of 
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right 
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive 
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how 
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out 
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to 
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus 
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. The rich 
won't eat in a poor house he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that 
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve 
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our 
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the 
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used 
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including 
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified 
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a 
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
   
    Does the term 'unkindness' ever refer to a dead person? 

Great opening line. It's a fine, fairly warm sunset evening here on the patio 
at De La Soul, so I think I'll ponder it just the opening line and snip the 
rest of your excellent post. No offense intended. Really. 

My answer to your question is No. One can *by definition* never be unkind 
to a dead person. They're...uh...dead. Let's face it...to believe that there is 
someone still there enough in a dead person to feel that something said about 
them by one of the living was unkind, then you're saying that you believe 
they weren't enlightened, and thus still stuck in the reincarnation cycle. If 
they are enlightened in the Maharishi model, at death they become the drop 
merged with the ocean and there isn't any them still around to be unkind 
*to*. 

Which is interesting in the context of all this this latest soap opera hysteria 
on Fairfield Life, because if people are honest, what it's really about is that 
a few living people became so offended at what was said in passing about a dead 
person that they went bat-shit crazy. 

Some found this stuff said about a dead person so uptight-making and 
button-pushing that they freaked out and ran away to form their own cliques, in 
which they would presumably never have to hear the dead person treated so 
unkindly again. Others, including many who still hold the dead person in some 
regard, didn't pay much attention to it, and went on about living their lives. 
Go figure...different strokes for different folks. 

And so at the end of all this kerfuffle we find ourselves in a situation in 
which the people who pretended that someone was unkind to *them* because he was 
in their view unkind to a dead person (who by definition one cannot be unkind 
to) are still trying to get the person who they feel was unkind to that which 
one cannot possibly be unkind to. 
It's all kinda Zen and weird, if you ask me...   :-)


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Excellent. 

A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd 
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented 
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a 
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something off about it. 
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries 
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during 
the period I lived there.  :-)

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part 
of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right 
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive 
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how 
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out 
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to 
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus 
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. The rich 
won't eat in a poor house he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that 
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve 
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our 
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the 
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used 
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including 
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified 
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a 
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie 
response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really 
wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these revalidated FFL guidelines vibes 
to just be honest. 

To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from 
your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as 
opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for 
example, my impression is that this is stuff that you know -- intellectually 
-- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of 
consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. 

I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction 
between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic 
principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've 
*lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- 
living it. 
Please try to remember who you're talking to here. 

I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science 
considers real in this world and what it does not. 

At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. 

While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of 
the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a 
Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up 
off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a 
while. 

The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a 
cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, OK, what the fuck 
was that?
I still don't know. 

All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and 
clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely 
free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really 
fuckin' happened. 

I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that 
*something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me 
exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal 
about what is real and what isn't.
That real enough for you, dude?   :-)

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. 

If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems.  :-)

 

 From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
   
    
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most magical thinking, 
but here we find you being quite the believer.  That explained quite a few of 
my dreams during the period I lived there.  :-)  Would this be hypocrisy or 
you just playing loose with what's real?  I ask this in the fullest sincerity 
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :



Excellent. 

A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd 
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented 
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a 
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something off about it. 
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries 
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during 
the period I lived there.  :-)

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of 
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right 
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive 
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how 
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out 
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to 
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus 
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. The rich 
won't eat in a poor house he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that 
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve 
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our 
draughty, cold and empty

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, 

Now that you have achieved your life's dream of becoming the Fairfield Life 
moderator, can I ask for your assistance in helping to rid the forum of spam?
It would seem that someone has been posting the same 1,680-word message (below) 
over and over and over and over and over on this forum. Spamming is clearly 
against the Yahoo Guidelines, and even Alex used to remove spammers, so I'm 
sure you'll want to get right on this, too.

Furthermore, it appears that the person who is stupidly spamming FFL with the 
same post over and over and over and over is using your ID to do it, which 
means that they are also guilty of impersonation, which clearly violates the 
Yahoo Guidelines as well. 

Please do something about this...

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    June 9
#
Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant 
to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content.
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other 
people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the 
group altogether.
“2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit oradvantage;
to use selfishly for one's own ends.
Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating
Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude.
Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful 
or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement 
(or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful.
Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or 
damage their reputation.
Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. 
To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly.  “Don'tbe 
unkind”. 
We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place 
for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any 
content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the 
Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes 
youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep 
Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. Ifyou see a Group or 
content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us 
[..yahoo-groups]. 


#

[..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems 
is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve 
themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing 
orseparating destructive asocial members.
There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by 
what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of 
getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and 
self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with 
good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack.
It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies 
of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group 
[FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to 
stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum.
Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit and 
moral courageto kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of 
civildiscourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here toevenly 
protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up tothe folks left here 
to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discoursehas been 'thrown to the dogs' 
on FFL to tear up by a lack ofmoderation let alone any self-control.
The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not 
protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean 
conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying 
Turqb asserting..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. 
Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”
In thinking together, peopleoften may fail in process of creative thought out 
of fears to extendthemselves individually in to the collective, for fear of 
engagingwith evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may 
provokeunfriendly embroilment which potentially might be 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
   
    Re I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I 
have ever experienced in this incarnation:
Barry - apologies if you've answered this query in past posts - do you still 
today engage in any spiritual practices? Could be meditation (TM even?); 
self-flagellation; ritual magic; saying your bedtime prayers every night; 
pranayama; . . . 


I meditate. Not TM, and not every day like clockwork, mainly when I feel like 
meditating. And that's just sitting meditation. I also practice various walking 
meditations and mindfulness exercises when I feel like it. Never into 
self-flagellation, unless you count still posting on Fairfield Life.  :-)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie 
response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really 
wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these revalidated FFL guidelines vibes 
to just be honest. 

To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from 
your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as 
opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for 
example, my impression is that this is stuff that you know -- intellectually 
-- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of 
consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. 

I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction 
between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic 
principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've 
*lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- 
living it. 
Please try to remember who you're talking to here. 

I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science 
considers real in this world and what it does not. 

At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. 

While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of 
the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a 
Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up 
off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a 
while. 

The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a 
cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, OK, what the fuck 
was that?
I still don't know. 

All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and 
clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely 
free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really 
fuckin' happened. 

I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that 
*something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me 
exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal 
about what is real and what isn't.
That real enough for you, dude?   :-)

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. 

If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems.  :-)



  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most magical thinking, 
but here we find you being quite the believer.  That explained quite a few of 
my dreams during the period I lived there.  :-)  Would this be hypocrisy or 
you just playing loose with what's real?  I ask this in the fullest sincerity 
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :



Excellent. 

A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd 
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented 
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a 
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something off about it. 
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries 
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during 
the period I lived there.  :-)

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
 
 In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!

2015-06-09 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com

I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as 
necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards.  We see most folks here 
thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant 
with the ultimate reality of their recent experience.  

Exactly. One's personal, subjective experience -- no matter how profound or 
extraordinary -- does NOT constitute reality. 

To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about 
levitation necessarily true.  Even the person who levitates can be expected to 
have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of 
nay-saying.

Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper 
degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent 
thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences.

Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being 
bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is 
obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner.

Stone, glass house and all that.  No one gets to toss the first stone.  Or the 
second.

Do you honestly NOT remember how Nabby treated those who disagreed with him 
here? Do you NOT remember the many times he described Rick and myself and 
others as bound for hell or working for the CIA? Do you NOT remember the many 
times he made shit up, just to diss someone who didn't feel the same way about 
Maharishi he did? 

I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer 
and running with it, would be especially careful to underline ones obvious 
conflict of interests.  

As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences.  Harrumph.  
While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of 
FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic 
information needed to be clear about spirituality.  Only I could know if that's 
true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal.   I claim that 
this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.
First, show this guideline to me in writing. I'll wait.
I am merely reporting how your *writing about* your supposed experiences 
strikes me. That is, always in your head, never in the experience. Anartaxius' 
writing never strikes me that way, and neither do the writings of other people 
who, when they describe experiences that were for them transcendent epiphanies, 
I don't doubt for a moment that they really had them. As for you, I don't 
know...all I'm reporting is that *in your writing* you've never for a moment 
convinced me that you actually have or have had the kinds of experiences you 
write about intellectually. It's as if you write about them from such an 
intellectual distance that I can't imagine you actually being close to the 
experiences themselves. If that's not how it feels to you *as* you're writing, 
I'm sorry to burst your bubble. That's how it feels to me reading them.  

And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual 
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to 
every single person who has come here to report suchlike.

NOT every single person. Show me who has taken Salyavin or Curtis to task for 
mentioning their Unity experiences, or Anartaxius for writing about some of his 
experiences. I don't remember that happening. Why? Well, IMO because when they 
did so it was pretty matter-of-fact (this happened) and devoid of pretense 
(this thing that happened meant what I say it did and nothing else). Now 
think back to how many people -- not just myself -- have reacted to those whose 
ego was flashing like a neon sign and who seemed unable to describe any 
experience without declaring what it means and how superior that makes them. 

I'm probably not doing a good job of writing this up, but it's early in the 
morning and I just got in from Amsterdam after being up all night at a concert. 
But at least I'm trying. Given some of the ways you've treated ME, I think 
that's fairly big of me. Or don't you remember going a little bat-shit crazy 
and calling me a sexual predator over something that was only inside your own 
head?  

This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh.
And in my opinion it's good that such a place exists. Imagine how *horrible* 
and *boring* it would be for so-called prophets to only encounter people who 
believe everything they say just because they say it. 

And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments 
when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart 
and thought stream.  Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from 
my flow of consciousness  perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear.  
Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-08 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

   Barry's method, it seems to me, was similar to the way one would handle 
dealing with ISIS effectively. I am all for ISIS being neutralised. 



Exactly. organizations like ISIS -- and individual narcissistic psychopaths -- 
want more than anything else To Be Paid Attention To. 

How does a warrior defeat them?
Easy. 

Don't. 

Don't give them any attention.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-08 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 6:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
   
    In moderation at this point I feel “the past is a lesser state of 
evolution” and I am going forward with a clean slate on everyone and not one is 
on moderation in any way from this point. I would only suggest in our going 
forward that folks take the time to actually read the Yahoo-groups guidelines 
if they want to continue fluidly posting on FFL. We should appreciate your 
cooperative collaboration on this.  -JaiGuruYou! 




Doug, to help people new to moderation understand the kinds of things you think 
are acceptable, as opposed to things you'll be looking to censor, I thought I'd 
pass along some examples of comments you DON'T find to be unkind, belligerent, 
exploitative, degrading, insulting, slurs, profanity or ranting. 

These comments were all posted since you [Doug Hamilton, a name I assume I can 
use because it's in your posting ID, whereas I will never be able to refer to 
myself as Barry any more because it's *not* in my posting ID] became moderator 
of FFL, and you didn't say a word about them, even though you're an active 
member of the forum on which they were posted. 

Because you've been such a vocal spokesman for the need to follow the Yahoo 
Guidelines genuflect to the letter, and because you're so honest and moral 
and all, we know you would have spoken up if you felt that they DIDN'T follow 
the guidelines. 

All of these comments appeared in the last couple of days on THE_PEAK.

I'm passing them along so that posters here -- unaccustomed to the uplifting, 
high-vibe way in which posters over on that moderated forum conduct themselves 
and treat other people in their speech -- can learn from them and know what our 
new moderator Doug Hamilton considers *acceptable* posts that follow the Yahoo 
Guidelines. 

No need to thank me. I'm just trying to do my part for moderation...


So, it appears that while Rick refuses to moderate the hyenas over at FFL he 
is prepared to moderate his new moderator without moderation.

You already have dingleberry whining to Rick, you have our resident sociopath 
[Anartaxius] trying to out talk and outwit Judy with some attempt to point 
score with his idol goosebarry, you've got the ever-charming jamesalan emerging 
out of his hidey hole to comment in his usual inane manner...

The internet was tailor made for cowards and bullies and a perfect sampling 
are a few over at my old alma mater [FFL].

Let's see if Buck's got the chops to stand up to the overgrown brats over 
there.

All I have really learned from FFL is that 1) those who are lonely, bereft, 
obnoxious and have few friends spend that much time on a forum hassling other 
people. 2) Those who choose to bypass accountability use the internet to spread 
their shit. 3) Posting to forums where there is no moderation leads to 
megalomania in those so predisposed.

FFL is a perfect replica of what would happen in the real world if all 
restraints and boundaries were removed from society. The only difference is 
that on the internet no one can actually club your stab you to death.

[Written about Rick Archer, posted by the *owner* and supposed moderator of 
THE_PEAK, the 'moderated' site Doug wants to make FFL more like] No one runs a 
site for 14 years, promising to change it when things get hot, and yet lets 
things grossly deteriorate, without this being completely intentional. I can 
believe ineptitude or inattention for a year or two, but for 14? No, I am not 
that gullible.

I've been watching the goings on over there over that past few days and I must 
confess. It's great to see my old mentor and boss, Judy, still in fine form. As 
we all know, a whole schwack of us were lucky enough to be her minions and cult 
followers and when she left we were terrified. I mean, I don't know about you, 
but knowing I no longer had Judy to watch my back I simply couldn't get out of 
FFL fast enough.

Even so, how lucky we are to have Xeno [Anartaxius] as a shining example of 
strength and independent thought - unencumbered by those messy characteristics 
like emotion or feeling? The only other guy I really miss having here is that 
barrel-full-of-giggles-and-chuckles Empty [Emptybill]. Now there's a happy and 
positive human for you.


 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you smarter than a (Hong Kong) six year old?

2015-06-08 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It took me only a couple of seconds, so curious, I asked six-year-old Maya, and 
she got it just as quickly. 

   

   From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:08 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you smarter than a (Hong Kong) six year old?
   
    No - I'm not smarter than a Hong Kong six year old.
The answer (which I discovered via Google) is that we're looking at the numbers 
upside down. The car drivers would see them as 86 87 88 89 90 91.
Geddit? Kids haven't yet had their lateral-thinking ability educated out of 
them.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Peek behind the Curtain

2015-06-08 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 4:40 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Peek behind the Curtain
   
    I'm saying ... You stridently strutted outta here professing your 
independence and outrage. So stop being a pussy and live with it.Capisce?
Jimbo might also want to learn to live with the obvious FAILURE of his new 
forum. During the last week only four people besides himself posted there 
regularly. Three more people made two posts each. THIS is the forum that Judy 
Stein somehow believes people on FFL are jealous of.   :-)
Meanwhile, the Judester herself -- after having declared upon her return to FFL 
Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post 
regularly again -- has now made 31 posts, two-thirds of which involved dumping 
on Barry by name, and the remaining third involved dumping on other FFL posters 
who support him or don't mind him, and who she graciously calls thugs. Where 
is Doug screaming about Yahoo guideline violations when *she* does it, eh?

Crazy people. You can't live with 'em, and you can't live without 'em. 

Because they're crazy, and they won't LET you live without them.   :-)   :-)   
:-)       




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-08 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sad news. 

Might I propose, before Doug starts banning people, that you and Rick insist on 
a few guidelines for *him* when he does this. 

I'm suggesting this because I think everyone here is aware that Doug 
is...uh...not quite in touch with reality these days, and tends to see things 
that aren't really there. 

So what I suggest is that if he is indeed given the power to ban someone, he 
cannot do so without reposting *the exact post* that Doug feels is in violation 
of the Yahoo Guidelines, and without explaining to the group *exactly why* he 
thinks this poster needs to be banned. 

Otherwise, you know what's going to happen. Doug will just ban the people he 
doesn't like, without telling *anyone*, and they'll just fall off the radar 
because they can't post any more, either to complain or to defend themselves. 

I think we all know that a tyrant has just been handed the keys to the kingdom. 
I think we also all know what he will do with them. I'm just suggesting a 
procedure that insures he can't do it in secret. 

  From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 2:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
   
    As is typically the case these days, I am completely out of the loop with 
respect to Rick's handling of FFL. Doug's posts this morning piqued my 
curiosity, and it turns out that Rick made Doug a moderator yesterday 
afternoon. I have no idea what Doug is supposed to do in terms of enforcement. 
As for me, my role will not change.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

ThanksR-V, I appreciate the perspective of your enlightened high-minded empathy 
in experiencefor the well-being of FFL.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_arch...@yahoo.com wrote :

Cute. When do you get to be a full moderator for this site, Doug? Is this your 
first official attempt? It seems you are practicing with me, or something, 
given the plethora of more meaningful targets available. Regardless, I wish you 
all the best in your new role...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

'Don'tbe Unkind'. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite enlightenedin 
their guidance. 
Forinstance,
“Ifone is constantly negative, one is heading towards trouble. Bynegative 
thinking, feeling and acting one creates dark patches andmuddy colors in the 
aura which, in turn, prevent the flow of God'screative energy from reaching 
him. Without the light of God, thebody starts of manifest various imbalances 
and one's health andlifespan is compromised. Turning to vitamins, minerals and 
excesssunlight does not help because the body is primarily sustained bycosmic 
current.” -Charles Lutes,  Will and Desire, 5/3/91



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for 
creating a free speech zone, you must be aware that, contrary to the 
thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the 
guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. 
The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, 
about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous 
solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, 
mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and 
yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick 
asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, 
keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would 
get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on 
the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting 
limit.

WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular 
basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy 
making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time 
(wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than 
I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his 
silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander 
plays as moderator.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO 
moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences

2015-06-07 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have the luxury of having a whole weekend off with no work I have to do, so I 
admit to having binge-watched this series (Sense8) a bit. I did this even 
though as Michael said the Wachowskis have only made one good move, a few 
mediocre movies, and a few really, really awful movies. And I must say that my 
hopefulness and willingness to give them a break have paid off -- I'm now on 
episode 6 of Sense8 and I've quite enjoyed the ride so far. 

Part of it, as you suggest, is the group mind thing. I find that this concept 
is handled pretty well in the series, especially at the beginning when these 8 
people from all over the world who suddenly find themselves mind-linked are 
spending most of their time saying WTF???! and wondering what is going on. I 
find the travelogue nature of the show -- literally bouncing from Chicago to 
London to Nairobi to Seoul to Mexico City to Mumbai to San Francisco to Berlin 
-- fascinating, and enjoy the way the various directors have presented the 
visuals of these different places. That's another thing -- there really are 
various directors, and not just the Wachowskis. Tom Tykwer (Run Lola Run, 
Perfume: Story of a Murderer) directed the most recent episode I watched. 

As for the mystery of how I find the movies and TV shows I recommend, I have to 
shrug my shoulders like Johnny Depp and say, Pirate! Really. You have to 
remember that I don't have to actually pay for *any* of these things I watch. I 
*do* still buy DVD sets for great films or series I enjoy if I want to see the 
extras or the making of specials, and I still go out to the cinema if it's 
a film that I feel really has to be seen up on the big screen (like the recent 
Mad Max: Fury Road), but mainly I get my leads just from my own intuition 
and a lifetime of experience as a fan of the cinema. I'll just scan down a list 
of the new movies and TV shows available on my torrent feed, and when I 
encounter one I don't know, I just look it up quickly on IMDB and if it sounds 
interesting either because of the cast or the director of whatever, I'll just 
download it and give it a shot. I live in a pirate-friendly country, and so 
literally have nothing to lose but a little time if I make a bad intuitive 
choice. But most of the time my guesses are pretty good. 

What I *don't* do is read other people's reviews, either of TV or movies. I 
*write* such reviews under a number of different names for a number of 
different publications, and so to keep from being influenced by other critics' 
words, I don't read them. The only time I ever really read someone's review of 
a movie or TV show is *after* I have seen it. 
All of this said, I'm finding Sense8 quite enjoyable and to be a somewhat 
quality production, whereas I found the recent Aquarius to be mediocre in the 
extreme -- I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless they're feeling nostalgic 
for the look and feel of California in 1967. The only movie that's really 
knocked my socks off lately was Ex Machina and the only three series that are 
currently being broadcast (that is, not currently on hiatus) that I really 
*love* are Game Of Thrones, Orphan Black, and Hannibal. If I'm feeling in 
a Gothic mood, I watch Penny Dreadful and the new Jonathan Strange  Mr 
Norrell. 
I will *sorely* miss Justified, which ended recently, and my favorites among 
the shows that recently finished for the season were Outlander and Dig and 
The Knick and The Blacklist and 12 Monkeys. 
The *single* best TV episodes I've seen in recent months were the Hardhome 
episode (S05E08) of Game Of Thrones and the Antipasto episode (S03E01) of 
Hannibal. Both pretty much constitute state of the art when it comes to 
television writing, casting, acting, production, and directing.
BTW, thanks for talking about something you enjoy, and allowing me to do the 
same. This is the point that Salyavin was trying to make about the Oh I'm 
being abused by trolls whiners. They never really *contribute* anything to 
FFL. One gets the very real feeling that they don't actually have anything in 
their lives that they DO enjoy, because if they do, they *never* mention it on 
Fairfield. Life.   

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 1:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
   
    Thanks for the recommendation. I've always (since I was a teen) had a soft 
spot for worldviews that suggest there is in reality only One Self which 
appears to us as many separate selves. So the basic plot device in which the 
division between individuals starts to break down could be a parable hinting at 
the same philosophy.
One of the advantages of visiting FFL is that you do get to hear of offbeat 
movies that for sure I would never have encountered elsewhere. (As we know, 
Barry is the prime source. God knows where he learns of those obscure titles he 
writes about.)


---In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After Fortune

2015-06-07 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is amazing. You read through this and you think, How could anyone 
possibly BE so gullible as to fall for this? But then you think about people 
like David Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a million dollars so 
that he could attend an Enlightenment Course, and then Maharishi didn't even 
have the courtesy to show up in person to teach it. 

  From: eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 10:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After 
Fortune
   
    The New York Times

A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After Fortune

JUNE 5, 2015

[The Times Square shop from which, the police say, Priscilla Kelly Delmaro 
bilked a lovelorn Brooklyn man out of $713,975. Credit Dave Sanders for The New 
York Times]

By MICHAEL WILSON

Everyone knows that when a man loves a woman, he can’t keep his mind on nothing 
else. He’ll spend his very last dime. Give up all his comfort, sleep out in the 
rain.

But for a 32-year-old man from Brooklyn, those things actually happened, and 
much, much more, during his long quest to be reunited with the woman he loved. 
Nothing could stop him.

Not evil spirits haunting him from another realm.

Not the sins of his past lives.

Not going broke.

Not even death.

He had an ally in his quest, he said, a fortuneteller who fought the evil 
spirits day and night from her storefront in Times Square, according to 
accusations that led the police to arrest her last month. The police and the 
man said the fortuneteller, Priscilla Kelly Delmaro, 26, had bled him dry over 
20 months.

But even New Yorkers who have shaken their heads in disbelief at fortunetelling 
scams in the past — who could fall for that? — may be surprised by the 
outlandish creativity described in this case, the eye-popping payouts the man 
made and the almost unfathomable gullibility that it took to get to that number.

Long past the point at which many people would have become suspicious — the 
endless need for special crystals, the time machine, the 80-mile bridge made of 
gold, the reincarnation portal — he kept paying, until he was living his own 
grim version of the movie “Ghost.”

The man, who lives in East Williamsburg but is not named in court documents, 
told his story in a written statement prepared with Bob Nygaard, a private 
investigator, and presented to detectives at the Midtown South precinct last 
month.

In summer 2013, the man was melancholy. He had a good job in marketing, with an 
office in New York, some support staff and a growing list of connections. But 
he had met a woman in Arizona named Michelle. He was in love. She was not. “The 
girl didn’t want to be with me, and the girl had categorically made that 
clear,” he wrote in the statement.

On Aug. 24, 2013, he walked across the Williamsburg Bridge and wound up in 
front of 253 West 43rd Street. The neon sign in the window read “Psychic.”

Ms. Delmaro greeted him and assured him that he and Michelle were “twin 
flames,” but that negativity was keeping them apart. “Spirits talk to me,” she 
said, according to the man’s statement, but there was a price. He paid her 
$2,500 and, after a second visit, $9,000 more.

A month later, in September, Ms. Delmaro told him she needed diamonds to 
protect his energy. He paid $40,064 for a ring from Tiffany’s and gave it to 
Ms. Delmaro, who promised he would use it as an engagement ring someday, the 
man said.

Michelle lived in Los Angeles. Go to her, Ms. Delmaro said.

He went. He texted Michelle. I’m on a boat, she replied, but let’s meet 
tomorrow.

“I was ecstatic,” he wrote. They met and talked and made plans for that night. 
But she backed out.

“She felt I had been acting strange,” he wrote.

Ms. Delmaro told him the trouble had come from a spirit that was stalking him. 
She needed $28,000, then $28,000 more. Michelle had grown cold so suddenly, he 
thought, that the spirit explanation sounded right, and so he paid.

A month later, Ms. Delmaro suggested they perform a fake funeral ritual to make 
the spirit think the man was dead. Another $40,000.

When that didn’t work, Ms. Delmaro said she needed a time machine to go back 
and cleanse his past. When the man balked, she said a suitable watch would do 
the job, and gave him a list of choices. He said he selected one of the cheaper 
ones: a rose gold Rolex for $30,000.

In December, Ms. Delmaro said that they had to lure the spirit over a bridge of 
gold in the other realm, so that it would become trapped. She said $80,000 
would buy an 80-mile bridge.

Sold.

Ms. Delmaro, it should be noted, promised to return most of the money when her 
work was done. By year’s end, the bill had reached more than $320,000.

The spirit was crossing the bridge, “albeit very slowly,” the man wrote. Then 
Ms. Delmaro said they needed a second bridge, for Michelle’s spirit, and it 
needed to be 10 miles longer than the first one.

“I thought to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-07 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing 
clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But 
I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and 
appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I 
have highlighted in red.
Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his 
intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a 
topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. 

Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get 
involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them 
emotionally. 

If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on 
this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- line on water. 
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
   
    When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to 
respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, 
so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only 
person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take 
time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. 
Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is 
more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you 
get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try 
to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that 
feeling from you. You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply 
involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally. Each 
of us is superficial in some way then.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their 
objectives are always the same. Same template, different day.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree 
with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any 
good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface 
operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble 
intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical 
distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll 
partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's 
content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if 
Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not 
actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others 
is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose 
the hands-off option. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a 
certain flexibility. 
Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to be 
moderated, so which one is right in a disagreement over this? You do not break 
a rule because another does. I am not confused. I just do not care what you 
think about this particular subject. Moderating may require having some 
personal issues with what people say. If the guidelines were followed slavishly 
and literally, FFL would be as boring as The Peak usually is. If I were 
moderating this site, I would only eliminate one poster in the current group.
Suppose I was moderating this site, and I made a rule that you had prove beyond 
a reasonable doubt that God existed before you were allowed to use the word or 
even the concept and related words on this site (you could publish a scientific 
paper in Science or Nature, that was accepted by scientists and replicated, 
that would work). You could talk about spirituality, but you could not use the 
word, say, 'divine' and others, otherwise you would be eliminated. What would 
your reaction be? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site 
is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not 
moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp 
the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo 
setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. 
Rick enables trolls, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences

2015-06-07 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
When did My home theater screen is bigger and higher resolution than your home 
theater screen become the hipster version of My dick is bigger than yours?  
:-)
Don't get all non-pirate self-righteous on me. I can download anything you name 
in 1080p (or if I want, 4K), and within a day of the time you can download it 
and pay for it. Then, after I have downloaded it, I can access it via WiFi any 
of my available TVs/monitors. The biggest of them is 58 inches diagonally, at 
4K resolution. Hope I didn't harsh your virtual hard-on.  :-)  :-)  :-)
That said (of necessity, because you seem to have this annoying *need* to be a 
dick, even though you may say some occasionally interesting things), the 
insight about the stories in the different locations reflecting the cinematic 
histories of those locations is pretty good. If you thought that up on your 
own, deep bow. On the other hand, if you just ripped it off from someone else 
and reposted it here to sound more hip, uh...
Isn't this cool? Only YOU know whether you really deserve praise or scorn.   
:-)  :-)  :-)

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
   
 Another point  about Sense8 is that each of the interweaved storylines 
is told in the style of TV or movies for that locale.  For instance the Chicago 
cop story ls like a police procedural, the Mexican actor like a telenovela 
replete with the humor (think Jane the Virgin).  The Indian one like a 
Bollywood comedy.  The Kenyan one like a third world thriller, etc.
 
 I also think I spotted a friend and former co-worker in the title sequence.  
He is a San Francisco actor, playwrite and mime.  I especially recognize his 
smile. 
 
 I hope you aren't watching this on a small laptop since after all Netflix is 
available in the Netherlands and they have taken lengths to be sure they have 
subtitles and dubs for these releases.  They list the credits for those after 
the end credits run.  I'm watching on a 55 TV with a surround system of 
Klipsch speakers.  The episodes have great audio mixes and the 1080p encoding 
excellent.  I finished episode 4 last night.
 
 We disagree on some shows.  For a broadcast TV series I thought Aquarius was 
very good and too bad you didn't give American Crime more of a chance because 
it was superb.  The full season is available on Hulu.  Technically Game of 
Thrones and Orphan Black are cable network shows not broadcast.  Thrones 
is not my cuppa tea as I tried it when I had cable as well as Ophan Black 
which I felt was more of an acting exercise.
 
 I get most of my show tips from a forum that specializes in home theater 
viewing.  It even includes folks who work on these series and a daily thread 
with article about upcoming shows, as well as ratings and cancellation info.  I 
read yesterday that Mr. Robot will be on Netflix this summer probably after 
it finishes on the USA cable network.  Perhaps like Continuum Netflix 
invested money in it.
 
 On 06/07/2015 03:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
     I have the luxury of having a whole weekend off with no work I have to do, 
so I admit to having binge-watched this series (Sense8) a bit. I did this 
even though as Michael said the Wachowskis have only made one good move, a few  
mediocre movies, and a few really, really awful movies. And I must say that my 
hopefulness and willingness to give them a break have paid off -- I'm now on 
episode 6 of Sense8 and I've quite enjoyed the ride so far. 
  
  Part of it, as you suggest, is the group mind thing. I find that this 
concept is handled pretty well in the series, especially at the beginning when 
these 8 people from all over the world who suddenly find themselves mind-linked 
are  spending most of their time saying WTF???! and wondering what is going 
on. I find the travelogue nature of the show -- literally bouncing from 
Chicago to London to Nairobi to Seoul to Mexico City to Mumbai to San Francisco 
 to Berlin -- fascinating, and enjoy the way the various directors have 
presented the visuals of these different places. That's another thing -- there 
really are various directors, and not just the Wachowskis. Tom Tykwer (Run 
Lola Run,  Perfume: Story of a Murderer) directed the most recent episode I 
watched. 
  
  As for the mystery of how I find the movies and TV shows I recommend, I have 
to shrug my shoulders like Johnny Depp and say, Pirate! Really. You have to 
remember that I don't have to actually pay for *any* of these things I  watch. 
I *do* still buy DVD sets for great films or series I enjoy if I want to see 
the extras or the making of specials, and I still go out to the cinema if 
it's a film that I feel really has to be seen up on the big  screen (like the 
recent Mad Max: Fury Road), but mainly I get my leads just from my own

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Peek behind the Curtain

2015-06-07 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bingo.
  From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 12:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Peek behind the Curtain
   
    Jim From the very beginning of this pseudo-issue, your FFLreaction appeared 
to many of us to be a calculated faux outrage. Most of uswaited to see the 
clarifying remarks that might certify you as the single mostoffended person 
possible on FFL. Toward this end we let you run with this storylinelong enough 
to clearly demonstrate your need to be the righteous moralist. It was a 
standard narrative -attempting to shame everyone for the high crime of reading 
the specifieddiabolical post without the appropriate apoplectic reaction.  
After a while you left FFL and took your ball to another venue.Your issue 
should have remained with you there – or else simply passed on tothe neutral 
ethers as you indulged your new fantasies.  Now you are back - acting as if no 
time or otherconsiderations have passed. 

They have. 

You are only here becausethis place is so lightly moderated thatno one has 
insisted that you no longer belong here – specifically in accord withyour 
proudly professed self-exile.  Afterall this is your chose revulsion zone – a 
carry-over invective of yourselected obsession.  Please go back to the Peek 
where you can reign supreme.Bereft of challenge and opposition of view, you can 
call yourself “The Enlightened”,“Mr. Unity Consciousness To You”, “Paradigm of 
Maharishi’s Awakened Satya Yuga”.    We promise we won’t come over and Peek 
behind the curtain.  Promise. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences

2015-06-06 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 I have a feeling some of the snarky comments I'm seeing online have been 
from homophobes.  ;-) 
That is certainly possible. For those who are not watching the series, one 
character is a lesbian, played well by Jamie Clayton, who is actually a trans 
woman herself. Another character plays an actor in Mexico who is known for his 
macho action roles, but has to keep the fact that he's gay hidden or lose his 
audience. 

As for the Wachowskis and their past failures, I have to admit that I'm 
actually enjoying this series so far.
 
 On 06/06/2015 09:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
     I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because their 
latest flick before this (Jupiter Ascending) has to be one of the biggest 
piles of shit I have ever had to wade through. 
  
  So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for 
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis  are giving mainstream 
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how 
mainstream America reacts to that. 
   
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] ! Transpiritual Experiences
   
    I watched the first episode of Sense8 by the creators of The Matrix 
 and Babylon 5 on Netflix last night. Probably not for everyone here 
 but it's about 8 people from different places in the world who keep 
 experiencing each others lives. Daryl Hannah really gets around in this 
 one. There's a lot of beautiful cinematography too including scenes 
 shot in San Francisco. All episodes are currently available if you want 
 to binge watch. Bet someone is now.
 
  
 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences

2015-06-06 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because their latest 
flick before this (Jupiter Ascending) has to be one of the biggest piles of 
shit I have ever had to wade through. 

So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for 
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis are giving mainstream 
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how 
mainstream America reacts to that. 

  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
   
    I watched the first episode of Sense8 by the creators of The Matrix 
and Babylon 5 on Netflix last night. Probably not for everyone here 
but it's about 8 people from different places in the world who keep 
experiencing each others lives. Daryl Hannah really gets around in this 
one. There's a lot of beautiful cinematography too including scenes 
shot in San Francisco. All episodes are currently available if you want 
to binge watch. Bet someone is now.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-06 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
   
    While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a 
troll.
Barry is the very definition of a troll. Pushing buttons is just a euphemism 
for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that.
Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and 
obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is 
pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's 
emotions and attachments. 

What the people whining about trolls don't seem to realize is that THEY are 
characterizing themselves as troll bait and sorta saying, Here I am, so weak 
and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive 
just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I 
worship.  

Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature 
of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that trolls are far more highly 
evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. 

Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point.
It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough 
crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing 
alternative presented itself at the critical moment.
It was the point at which one particularly stupid piece of troll-bait thought, 
Aha! NOW I've got him. Maybe *this* is the thing I've been hoping and dreaming 
for all these years, and I can make a big enough stink over Barry using this 
analogy that I can extort Rick into throwing him off the forum. 
But it didn't work, and in fact backfired so badly that HE had to run away and 
leave the forum. Personally, I think the karma demonstrated by the whole 
scenario was pretty delicious.  :-)
Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation
Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten.
The thing is, Xeno, she's telling the truth. This forum became a place for her 
to obsess about getting Barry and anyone who dares to support him years ago. 
She doesn't give a shit about TM any more -- the *only* thing that brings her 
scurrying roach-like out of the woodwork is another opportunity to try to turn 
people against Barry and get him. 

and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities 
such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, 
intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems 
purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those 
qualities are really present.
Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL 
nor the prerogative of any of its members.
Bullshit. The very reason there are so many charlatans in the world of 
spiritual practice is that so few people DO put their claims to the test. The 
very *idea* that someone as reactive and as chronically angry as Jim Flanegin 
could be enlightened is ludicrous. All I did was point it out, and (and this is 
the part that pisses him off so much) so clearly and so effectively that NO ONE 
actually believes his claims. 

About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. 
So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps 
should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. 
The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, 
they have not developed a way to stand their ground.
Also bullshit. There's more than one way to stand your ground, including 
getting out of the way of the missiles designed to smash you flat.
Isn't it fascinating how the people who have declared themselves to be troll 
bait and the *victims* of these horrible trolls they're complaining about 
come up with the most violent metaphors for what's being done to them. The 
reality is that they clicked on a message on an electronic forum and were so 
weak and wimpy and attached that they got all angry and hot and bothered about 
a *bunch of words*. Unable to admit this, in their minds this becomes being 
crushed by missiles designed to smash you flat.   :-)

You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in 
this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against 
which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp 
disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all 
comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, 
there are fundamental disagreements about that.
No. It all comes down to people treating others with respect no matter the 
nature or sharpness of their disagreements. Even Barry acknowledged this at one 
point recently. The disagreements story about why FFL went bad 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences

2015-06-06 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The Ganesh puja and the hysteria of the priests who are terrified that they're 
going to be put out of business is pretty funny. But the Bollywood engagement 
dinner was even funnier -- gayest thing I've ever seen.  :-)
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com T
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
   
 Oh and you would probably enjoy the Indian woman in the episode performing 
a Ganesh puja in a temple.   :-D 
 
 Have you been subcontracting to Google?
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/google-puts-india-pm-criminal-search-line-232447061.html
 
 On 06/06/2015 11:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  


     Jesus Christ! If it's as bad as Jupiter Ascending I'll never bother - I 
just watched the first 20 minutes of JA last night, and turned it off as I 
swore off the Bros forever. The only thing they did that was worth a crap was 
the original Matrix followed by the painfully  pitiful 2 sequels. Jupiter 
Ascending makes David Lynch's films look good by comparison. 
   
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
   
     I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because  
their latest flick before this (Jupiter Ascending) has to be one of the 
biggest piles of shit I have ever had to wade through. 
  
  So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for 
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis are giving mainstream  
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how 
mainstream America reacts to that. 
   
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
   
    I watched the first episode of Sense8 by  the creators of The 
Matrix 
 and Babylon 5 on Netflix last night.  Probably not for everyone here 
 but it's about 8 people from different  places in the world who keep 
 experiencing each others lives. Daryl  Hannah really gets around in this 
 one. There's a lot of beautiful  cinematography too including scenes 
 shot in San Francisco. All episodes are  currently available if you want 
 to binge watch. Bet someone is now.
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
   
    How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it 
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you 
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think 
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing 
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of 
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of 
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical 
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted 
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest 
thing for him to do. 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Down the pan....

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

I wonder how many people will read this and head for the nearest drain to try 
and score for the weekend?
It certainly puts a new spin on the old pick up line Hey baby...want to go out 
back and snort some shit?  :-)

There is more cocaine in London's sewer system than any other European city
 
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than...  A new study appears to show how widespread cocaine use is in London, 
as scientists say sewage from the capital has the highest concentration of the 
dru...||
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Horoscopes

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Another entry in the category of Horoscopes with an actual basis in fact
      

  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Horoscopes

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Here's a horoscope obviously written by Internet trolls trying to start 
trouble.  :-)
   
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



    
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Ol' Deepak

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
THIS is why Chopra and other nutcases like him (including several on this 
forum) still exist. The audiences they preach to don't have the intelligence to 
figure out they're being preached to (and taken advantage of) by idiots. (cf. 
recent bogus research about light)  

Facebook conspiracy theorists fooled by even the most obvious anti-science 
trolling: study


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  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 7:49 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Ol' Deepak
   
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

What Deepak is promoting is a philosophy - a theology, maybe - or perhaps a 
metaphysics is a better term. I don't have any problem with that. His views 
could be wrong of course but to demand that all explanations of life, the 
universe and everything must conform to scientific methodology is simply 
scientism. In fact, the very idea that all explanations must conform to 
scientific methodology *is* a metaphysical assumption! How could you prove that 
assumption using the techniques of science? How falsify it? 
Yes, if you're talking about evolution or quantum physics you have to 
accommodate the latest thinking of scientists who have specialised in those 
fields but it's legitimate to tease out the implications for our worldview.
By the way: I've only ever read one of Deepak's books and it was pretty tedious 
and shallow. But that's a different issue altogether.
Why would he release only one shallow and tedious book do you think?
His views could be wrong of course but to demand that all explanations of 
life, the universe and everything must conform to scientific methodology is 
simply scientism.
Isn't scientism that thing that creationists invented to try and turn the 
demanding of proof into an optional extra?
Like you, I don't think there's anything wrong with speculative thinking, we 
simply wouldn't have an ideas at all without it. Where Deepak goes wrong is 
that he can't be bothered to check whether his ideas have any sort of validity. 
And by that I mean whether they fit in with what is known to be possible in the 
physical world and if they don't, how come? Any rewriting of majorly well 
tested ideas requires an understanding of those ideas and a demonstration of 
where they are inadequate. I don't think it's just a case of accepting things 
because they might be possible anymore. I know it's the vedic way, as is 
misappropriating other people's research to repackage religious ideas in the 
hope that your audience is familiar enough with the terms to recognise them but 
not familiar enough to know they are being used incorrectly. Anything he says 
with the word quantum in it for instance. 
He just doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.You simply can't have a 
worldview whereby something that is known to happen, or to have happened is 
contradicted by your metaphysical outlook. Not and remain credible. It has to 
all fit together doesn't it? Otherwise our theory of everything will be a 
theory of nearly everything and some other stuff that doesn't fit. So Deepak is 
either hopelessly ignorant or wilfully misleading - unless he knows something 
fundamental to the running of the universe that no one else has worked out and 
he acquired the knowledge somehow instinctively rather than via the usual 
methods of trial and error testing and refining. Given our shared opinion of 
him, I wonder which is most likely? 
'This is what drives people nuts about the new quasi-religious quantum 
nutjobbery of the internet. Without an editor it's a dangerous place to try 
going to learn things. Every idea should stand or fall based on it's evidence 
but too many people are forgetting to do the background checks. It's actually 
interesting watching the speed with which memes evolve on the net. I used to 
work for a company that could track press releases via webpages, be interesting 
to watch how far and fast an idea like some of Deepak's or say, the Maharishi 
Effect, could travel in a given time and what is needed as a framework for 
people to recognise it as a possibility and pass it on. 
Maybe the next step in advertising is seeding the social media background with 
stupid ideas and then tailoring a campaign to exploit them. Or is Facebook 
already doing that?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Scientist: Why Deepak Chopra is driving me crazy
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| Scientist: Why Deepak Chopra is driving me crazy'Chopra promises proof for 
his outlandish claims that Darwin was wrong and that consciousness drives 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the proper way to 
deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow 
member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges 
other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's 
home town to report him as a child molestor?
I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to 
this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with 
thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be 
prison.
These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in 
question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson...

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
   
    Itis true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur inviolation of 
the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have beenmoderated simply then by the 
group owner. 
Moderationis simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a 
postthemselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's 
membershipposting privilege. 
 Either-or. Ask the person for someself-restraint and if they don't come right 
through then clip theirmembership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are 
quitereasonable.  -JaiGuruYou!     

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
 
 How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it 
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you 
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think 
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing 
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of 
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of 
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical 
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted 
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest 
thing for him to do. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :

Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO 
moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep 
questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have 
adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything 
per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this 
point.
I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there 
if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of 
denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some 
sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you 
understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. 
Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go 
away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go 
away. 
You are the trolls. Go away.

If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on 
The_Leak are engaging in a form of state sponsored terrorism. Not only do 
their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt 
ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of 
people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this 
forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on 
The_Leak every time they do so. 

A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people 
like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big attaboy and 
PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the 
Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. 

NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I 
know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is 
Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. 
Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post 
over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll. 



  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-05 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
   
    Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When 
Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle 
subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other 
content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be 
much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the 
moronic posting limit.

Thank you for the graceful reply, and (to agree with Michael) your equally 
graceful performance of your duties as Moderator here.  I think you've been 
pretty much the Best Net Moderator I've Ever Encountered. 
Just to present a contrary view to one that is commonly allowed to proliferate 
here -- again, thanks to your lax moderation -- if Buck *were* to suddenly be 
named Moderator of Fairfield Life, I feel safe in predicting that its 
membership would fall to 1 within a week. Then he'd finally be free 
to...uh...self-moderate.  

Why does that sound kinda dirty and perverted?  



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club Hate Barry 
sessions again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back 
into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. 

I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they 
can drop their Get Barry bombs. After all, that's really why they left. 
Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick 
into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, 
Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about 
his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into 
following him there entertained. 

Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak 
people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness 
and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this negative 
forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which 
they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they 
have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it 
even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he 
has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people.  

As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* 
stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of 
her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite 
word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they left 
FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back 
every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards 
*the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. 
But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards 
these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on 
for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may 
claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :

Why are all these blustering blowhards scurrying back to FFL from the Peep? 
Must be really boring over there with everyone congratulating themselves about 
how intelligent they really are - oh, and enlightened too. 
Seemed that they all left FFL in a big huff. So how come they're now still 
going on and on with the same old fluff? 

So, ca... ca... can we jus... just get along? 
You know ... being in Unity and all that.

No, the trouble is they aren't allowed to be negative over there so they have 
to come here and indulge their inner bitch.
I'd rather they came here and posted something they thought was worth reading 
rather than all this whining but until Rick sets them free we'll be stuck with 
it because it doesn't seem like any of them are developing any self awareness.
We should just be flattered they think us so interesting that they want to read 
us every day!

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club Hate Barry 
sessions again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back 
into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. 

I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they 
can drop their Get Barry bombs. After all, that's really why they left. 
Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick 
into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, 
Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about 
his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into 
following him there entertained. 

Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak 
people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness 
and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this negative 
forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which 
they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they 
have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it 
even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he 
has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people.  

As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* 
stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of 
her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite 
word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they left 
FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back 
every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards 
*the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. 
But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards 
these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on 
for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may 
claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. 
I hate going on about it in case anyone thinks I'm reciprocating what I claim 
to dislike or even provoking it, but it is funny to see Judy coming over all 
self-righteous.
Anyone would think she was some sort of ultra-pure force for good on here when 
the reality of it is that she was as aggressive and intense as they come. Why, 
even WillyTex came out of character long enough to call her a mean spirited old 
bag for her endless haranguing of Share. 
And it was hardly just Share, Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to 
someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their 
queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as 
far as self awareness goes. I'm starting to think people assume I mean just 
being aware of their feelings or something but being properly self aware is 
being objective about what we are really like. 
We dislike in others what we fear in ourselves. I have cosmic love for 
everyone, I just wish they'd post what they think about things rather than just 
whining about everybody else. Great minds discuss ideas etc...
To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal, you touch on something I've 
often noticed -- the almost total lack of self-awareness in this most vocal 
group of FFL (and former-FFL) whiners. 

Take one of their most common whines (to paraphrase):  They (meaning us, the 
people they project their self-hatred onto) are always LYING about us, saying 
things they 'know' aren't true and that they 'really' don't mean. 

How many times have we heard this, eh? Well, the reality (at least for me) is 
that this reaction is bogus, because *I really DO mean it*. 

When I have said, for example, that IMO Judy Stein is insane, I'm not lying 
when I say that, or saying something I don't mean -- I really, honestly think 
she's insane. What ELSE could I consider someone who has stalked me for over 
two decades, spending literally tens of thousands of posts trying her best to 
get not only me, but also to get anyone who dares to like me or the things 
I post. When I say that I believe she is insane, it is my *long-considered 
honest opinion*, not lying. 

She and others like her would like to *believe* that it's lying, because then 
they don't have to deal with a larger and far more painful truth: THIS IS HOW 
PEOPLE REALLY SEE ME.
THAT is what they can't cope with. They have such profound and entrenched 
delusions about who and what they are that they really can't *deal* with anyone 
disagreeing with these delusions. Try to imagine what a *breakthrough* it would 
be if Judy were ever able to step back and say, Y'know...many people -- quite 
literally *dozens* of people -- have been 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

I think they just all secretly love our wit and wisdom and can't face the day 
without finding out the latest from the world of dinosaur research. Who can 
blame them?

Indeed. One of my fave dinosaur news items pointed out that scientists have 
essentially discovered *dragons*. Really. Sorta. They seem to have discovered 
flying reptiles that look a lot like yer classical depiction of a dragon. 
Trouble is the skeletons they've found so far are hardly Game Of Thrones size, 
more like a small dog or a normal-sized NYC rat. But we can always hope they'll 
find bigger ones...

   

Re: [FairfieldLife] GQ and the TM family tree.

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
PR led is very accurate. What I found fascinating is that the writer really 
doesn't *know* that he's already parroting the things he was told, without 
putting them in quotes as if they had been told to him by a TM teacher, yet 
often using the exact same phrases they used. I particularly like this segment. 
Notice the use of quotes at the beginning, to indicate the things say by Bob 
Roth, and then notice where the quotes end and yet he's still parroting Bob 
Roth by repeating exactly what he said:
The thing I asked my teacher was, how much of this shit do I have to believe 
in for it to work? He said you can be 100 percent skeptical and it'll still 
work. Roth is generous with his smiles, and he shot me a big one. The cool 
thing about this is you don't have to believe in anything. There's no 
philosophy. 

Other forms of meditation require a far greater commitment and can be more 
difficult to adopt. They teach either extreme concentration (an intense focus 
on one particular thing, and only that thing) or contemplation (thinking as 
hard as you can about the present, which is often referred to as mindfulness), 
but what makes TM so user-friendly is that you don't have to do either. It's 
easy—effortless, as Roth is fond of saying. 

You simply allocate twenty minutes of quiet time and use a mantra to liberate 
your mind from conscious thought and trigger the meditation. Mantras work, in 
theory, because they are essentially meaningless word sounds. One is chosen for 
you by your teacher from a library of dozens that go back to TM's ancient Vedic 
origins. Once a mantra is given, it is never shared under any circumstances.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:25 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] GQ and the TM family tree.
   
Standard PR led article with quite an amusing family tree on the right. What a 
motley bunch of devotees!
The comments are interesting too. It seems the various concepts and techniques 
of meditation have merged into one in the public consciousness.
The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation
 
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[FairfieldLife] More Rubik's Cube wonder

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Remember the post a little while back that posted a video featuring a guy who 
solved three Rubik's Cubes at the same time...while juggling them? That led to 
a fascinating (at least to me) discussion with Salyavin during which we 
expressed our mutual awe of people who can solve three-dimensional puzzles in 
their heads or visualize enormous corporate databases or hold clear images of 
complex Tibetan mandalas in their heads. 

Following up, watch this guy:
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[FairfieldLife] French Ghost Signs

2015-06-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Here's a great resource stumbled upon by my still-favorite Paris blogger, Messy 
Nessy Chic. It's a stash of really cool photos documenting forgotten ghost 
signs, shop fronts, vintage typography and general nostalgia of bygone French 
patrimony.
http://www.messynessychic.com/2015/06/04/heres-an-instagram-account-dedicated-to-finding-forgotten-french-ghost-signs/

I particularly like this one, which captures that curious ability that Paris 
has of completely changing its nature in mid-block, or at a street corner. For 
example, the corner of rue du 4 Septembre et rue Vivienne:




Re: [FairfieldLife] Warning....

2015-06-03 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The installation probably failed because of a virus, the same one that has 
infected the Netherlands. It's still cold, windy and rainy here, too. I 
sometimes get the feeling that if I blink I could miss summer entirely. :-)

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 1:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Warning
   


    
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