Re: [FairfieldLife] mind boggling

2012-08-25 Thread Vaj

On Aug 25, 2012, at 12:14 AM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 So Xeno writes the other day to Judy:
 
 I feel Barry is more spiritually advanced than Robin
 
 This alone made my head spin. But just, for example, take a look at Robin's 
 commentary to Emily after she took his quiz yesterday (post 317866) and 
 explain to me how you could possibly argue for this point Xeno. What exactly 
 is your definition of spiritual? Maybe it is something I don't want to aspire 
 to or can view as a positive thing if that is your assessment. If 
 spirituality has anything whatsoever to the quality of heart, openness, 
 willingness to understand, desire to be transformed by truth and life, 
 sensitivity to other living creatures then, dear Xeno, I think you have 
 miscalculated badly - your assertion has missed the mark. 


Thanks Ann! That was the correct answer!

You win the Clueless Guru Enabler Award for 2012 - congratulations!

Yes, Ann you’ll stand side by side with the person who poured the punch in 
Guyana for Jim Jones, the Srivistava thugs that threatened the Kaplans and the 
priest who collected young boys for Sai Baba! 

Now these are some big shoes to fill Ann, I’m not sure if you’re up to it. 
While many past Guru Enablers were forced to wile away countless days in 
prisons or recovery units, you’re unique in that you’re still somewhat 
functional - and the only one (so far) declared Demonic by a Catholic version 
of Werner Erhard (someone cue the Keith Jarrett...).

Bravo!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj your words meant a great deal to me. Thank You

2012-08-09 Thread Vaj


On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

Vaj was never on that summer course--you are falsifying your  
conscience here, LK. This is despicable. You must only use the  
truth to get to the truth.



I think it's time for that shirtless bear hug (SBH) R.

I should have given you a gentle bear hug when you bitched me out  
back during the scouting the dome incident. It would've calmed your  
pitta right down. At this late a date, it will probably take several.


NOTE: I have sufficient body hair to cushion any impact you may be  
concerned about.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj your words meant a great deal to me. Thank You

2012-08-09 Thread Vaj


On Aug 8, 2012, at 4:54 PM, lordknows888 wrote:

Your words written today to Robin If the walls of Sunnyside had  
decided to talk, they couldn't have spoken with more honesty and  
integrity. And bravery. ring in my heart and mind not because they  
are complimentary, but because it brings to mind all that happened  
at Sunnyside, the horrific confrontations, the blood on the floor  
metaphorically speaking. There were a lot of good people that got  
filleted by Robin there as you know.The fact that there was only  
one attempted suicide is remarkable. I saw another friend go into a  
full blown nervous breakdown right in front of me and much much more.



It is rather fortunate that something way more serious did not occur.  
The key point in demonic confrontation where the person has to make  
the willful decision to jump - or languish in old patterns - has to  
be an extremely fragile state. In Tibetan Buddhist practices that aim  
at a similar disconnect there are numerous safeguards in place for  
the practitioner.


But for the WTS confrontation participant, there were no safeguards,  
no spiritual elders to guide or console and in fact if one failed  
at reintegration, they were often cast out into the cold.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj your words meant a great deal to me. Thank You

2012-08-09 Thread Vaj


On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:04 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


 It is rather fortunate that something way more serious did not
 occur. The key point in demonic confrontation where the person
 has to make the willful decision to jump - or languish in old
 patterns - has to be an extremely fragile state. In Tibetan
 Buddhist practices that aim at a similar disconnect there are
 numerous safeguards in place for the practitioner.

 But for the WTS confrontation participant, there were no
 safeguards, no spiritual elders to guide or console and in fact
 if one failed at reintegration, they were often cast out
 into the cold.

Have you noticed, Vaj, that (as far as I've been able
to tell) zero attempts to deal with the actual *content*
of the things LordKnows posted about Sunnyside? The
suicide attempts, the confrontations that resulted
in psychic distress or trauma to those they were aimed
at? It's as if there is a total silence among the Robin
Groupies about this.


It's similar to what we've seen in regard to Transcendental  
Meditation Org suicides, psychotic breaks - heck even entire  
*courses* suffering breaks - everyone ignores the proverbial elephant  
in the room, and then attacks the people who brought it to light.


IME the people who were most assiduously attacked and beat-up on were  
the therapists trying to help those broken from TM Org programs,  
whether as children or as adults. But most did not blink an eye when  
this occurred.



Instead, they've been focusing on either Bu..bu...but
he's *changed*, or on playing Shoot The Messenger. I
find this behavior in the present almost scarier than
LK's tales of the past.


IMO, anyone who was truly present and observant of RWC's past  
behavior would and should find his patterns of behavior here quite  
disconcerting.



*Especially* with regard to Ann, who after all is in
the fairly unique position of being able to dispute LK's
claims, were they false. The fact that she hasn't seems
to reinforce them as true. The fact that she seems to
be focusing on doing anything she possibly can to suck
up to Robin and get him to notice and interact with her
again in the present, 25 years later, is even scarier.

The baggage created as a result of investing in a
charismatic naricssist is heavy, and dangerous. Is it
*really* that hard for people to say, I was wrong?


It may have something to do with the relative spiritual bankruptcy of  
Transcendental Meditation programs, so many are looking for something  
inspirational or exciting to glom onto. Sometimes the lemmings don't  
actually run into the sea, they follow the cliff edge.


Let's face it, a giant Vedic Ken doll (sans genitalia) isn't likely  
to move most people, even the pre-programmed. ;-)




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)

2012-08-08 Thread Vaj


On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:


Dear Vaj,,

I am sure you can explain this, but why is it that your post here  
contains what Lord Knows posted 22 minutes later. Are you colluding  
with Lord Knows?--surely you can provide some explanation for what  
seems suspiciously like a joint enterprise. But if I am wrong and  
there is an innocent (I rather think there must be, this is too  
much keystone cops) reason for this, you will tell me what it is.


I'm responding to the email list. I assume you're responding to the  
web interface instead?


What I find staggering and nonplussing is your depiction of me  
here. You have never met me, Vaj, else you would know how fatally  
off the mark you are in almost everything you say about me--once,  
that is, you become critical. No one who has ever met me would say  
the things you say. They represent an imaginative reading of me-- 
and do not in any way whatsoever contain the force and truth of  
some direct encounter with me. Lord Knows, Lord knows, he does know  
me--after a fashion.


But again, Vaj, tell us how you preempted LK888's post to me? I am  
more curious than anything else.


Simple manipulation of space-time continuum, that's all. By applying  
samyama on certain email servers, and then applying a filtering  
meditation I'm able be digitally omniscient R.


You do not know me, Vaj. You are being driven by something other  
than the search for the truth.


Says the always truthful Robin?

And by the way: you must tell your friend, Lord Knows that he  
ducked the real fight, and I consider him to be cowardly for doing  
so. *That* should compel him to respond to those first three posts,  
don't you think?


Unless of course he thought he scored a knockout - and is back at the  
hotel drinking champagne


Especially the third one on free will. Where I have addressed a  
very personal question to him, which in avoiding answering, he  
damages his credibility fatally.


From my POV LK was the first person to truly call you on your sh*t.  
So therefore LK's post was not only the most revealing post aimed at  
you ever on FFL, it did so with a certain modicum of respect,  
something difficult to do in such a charged situation. It was like a  
small bell rang and everyone listening, no matter how near or how  
far, heard it loud and clear.


If the walls of Sunnyside had decided to talk, they couldn't have  
spoken with more honesty and integrity. And bravery.


Of course only in my eyes. I am sure he has garnered sympathy from  
other quarters. For me, though, when I make a serious accusation  
and judgment about someone and that someone responds to me, I look  
forward to seizing upon what he or she has said, because if I am  
right about what I think of him or her, he or she will just provide  
even more proof of my judgment of his or her integrity, his or her  
motives.


Get your buddy, Lord Knows to come clean and get in the ring. Else  
I will say that his not answering that post on free will versus  
cosmic will is a tacit admission of defeat: that he cannot, then,  
reconcile his judgment of me with taking on the truth of my  
experience.


Like I said, LK is back at the hotel, drinking Dom with Lady Ga Ga  
and watching reruns of RWC show.



And then there is the post in which I narrate (an excerpt from one  
of my books) the actual moment of becoming enlightened. That too  
has to be incorporated into this matter.


What say you, Vaj: Shall we be courageous and direct and play by  
the rules of the cosmos?


Whose cosmos?

I think the cosmos of interdependent origination hath already  
spoken. ;-)


I think you should at least be happy that someone has finally  
spoken up about me. But having done so, he or she must now  
demonstrate he or she is prepared to sustain his her her sincerity  
and conviction when, in the service of truth, I have attempted to  
make this issue conform in this discussion to what actually  
happened in those ten years.


Actually, nothing of the kind is required. Of course, you're allowed  
to do the Canadian squirm for as long as you like (as long as it's  
under 50 posts/week). I'm finding this squirm dance is very  
entertaining to watch. It's like watching someone dance in their pain  
- at least they're still dancin'.


Don't worry, I'm working on getting you a disco ball and spotlight...



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)

2012-08-08 Thread Vaj


On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:51 AM, awoelflebater wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

  Dear Vaj,,
 
  I am sure you can explain this, but why is it that your post here
  contains what Lord Knows posted 22 minutes later. Are you  
colluding

  with Lord Knows?--surely you can provide some explanation for what
  seems suspiciously like a joint enterprise. But if I am wrong and
  there is an innocent (I rather think there must be, this is too
  much keystone cops) reason for this, you will tell me what it is.

 I'm responding to the email list. I assume you're responding to the
 web interface instead?

  What I find staggering and nonplussing is your depiction of me
  here. You have never met me, Vaj, else you would know how fatally
  off the mark you are in almost everything you say about me--once,
  that is, you become critical. No one who has ever met me would say
  the things you say. They represent an imaginative reading of me--
  and do not in any way whatsoever contain the force and truth of
  some direct encounter with me. Lord Knows, Lord knows, he does  
know

  me--after a fashion.
 
  But again, Vaj, tell us how you preempted LK888's post to me? I am
  more curious than anything else.

 Simple manipulation of space-time continuum, that's all. By applying
 samyama on certain email servers, and then applying a filtering
 meditation I'm able be digitally omniscient R.

  You do not know me, Vaj. You are being driven by something other
  than the search for the truth.

 Says the always truthful Robin?

Is sarcasm useful here? No, it is not. It merely undermines the  
possibility of a real conversation, a deeper, more truthful one.


You operate under a false assumption Ann: that I'm interested in ANY  
conversation with R., let alone a deep or truthful one. It's not  
worth having a conversation with someone who is game-playing to the  
extent that R. does - IMO. YMMV.


I believe the real issue here is that YOU want (need?) that type of  
conversation - and you're not getting it. Instead you're only left  
with your own skewed disconnect between what reality is serving and  
what you're perceiving. If you're interesting in playing out  
something similar to what went down before between you two, then I'm  
afraid that's what you'd end up getting, because when it really comes  
down to it, he hasn't changed that much to expect a different outcome.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra

2012-08-07 Thread Vaj
This would make an excellent starting point for a RWC and WTS FAQ, in my 
opinion. It’s the bitch-slap of enlightened insight.

Thanks for taking the time, effort and emotional digging it took to write this. 
And ditto on wishing RWC the best - think of it as a ‘shirts off bear hug' R. 
:-).

On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Lord Knows lordknows...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dear Robin,
 
 I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the 
 group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what 
 ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a 
 vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely 
 close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and 
 declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a 
 human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice 
 cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only 
 concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her 
 belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly 
 fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members 
 of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other 
 heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with 
 you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate 
 pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally 
 confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great 
 scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others 
 over the years. 
 
 Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the 
 the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value 
 of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity?  I 
 would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had 
 done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give 
 into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing 
 judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making 
 harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened 
 nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down 
 through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion 
 and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a 
 record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for 
 your  experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not 
 walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who 
 was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose 
 ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of 
 intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small 
 group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of 
 your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to 
 confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. 
 Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being 
 used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were  faithful and true to 
 Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and 
 your mind alone.   
 
  To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the 
 Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the 
 the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. 
 It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed 
 enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply 
 disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have 
 represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation 
 came to you, you also  believed that your wife was the incarnation of the 
 devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very 
 disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual 
 tradition was satanic.   
 The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the 
 Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer 
 has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the 
 Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very 
 strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother 
 Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to 
 give just two prominent examples. 
 Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is abysmal. 
 A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of lethal errors in 
 making up prescriptions before 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)

2012-08-07 Thread Vaj

On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:35 PM, lordknows888 lordknows...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dear Robin,
 
 
 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors
 2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I 
 stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced.
 3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep 
 talk on the need for honesty anyway)
 4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be 
 summarized as a exhortation  to honesty,  and to state that honesty  is your 
 creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying 
 posturing which you was  communicating in effect  you better bring your A 
 game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the 
 park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here  You 
 have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about 
 standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering 
 into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and 
 feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that 
 the truth will get me through my argument.and right here,No, I 
 think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. 
 And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class 
 trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of 
 yesteryear, I've seen this move before.
 5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you 
 skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the 
 counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since 
 I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. 
 What am I referencing when I state this you ask,  this   Reasonable and 
 temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible 
 with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. 
 Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself,  but do it out front and 
 don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. 
 Honesty is transparency not hidden double messages. So you see Robin in your 
 exhortation to honesty you are showing the opposite,subtle manipulation. 
 5)I have to tell you Robin that this kind of bully boy posturing in the guise 
 of an exhortation to honesty is not an encouraging sign for real honesty, 
 which is at least your stated intention.
 6)Robin in my last post I stated that I was still weighing the pros and cons 
 of entering into a dialogue with you, this last post has convinced me it is 
 not worth it.What would be the point when right here in the first post about 
 our potential dialogue you are up to your old tricks.

Be careful of the “I’m a wounded animal” type pattern RWC likes to fall back on 
- to suck people in - typically when it’s he who’s on the losing end of a 
particular situation.

I’ve also seen him use if ‘if only you could have felt it as I did' (often 
implying some extraordinary bliss, grace or trophy state) to draw in the 
(largely) TM-related folks here. 



Old tactic, just a “New Fairfield”. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj


On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Susan wrote:

I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that  
Guru Dev was a bal brahmachary and that he himself was not  
(meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate).



MMY claimed in his last interview with Larry King on CCN to be a monk.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj


On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

And then again , maybe he realized his karma, for killing a man in  
his youth, was coming to fruition. The story is TWB was in the  
Indian Navy as a youngster and he killed a man. He ran off and  
became a great Yogi and then exited as he made someone else  
exitthrough murder.



Yes, I remember hearing this story.

Re: [FairfieldLife] An open letter to the person posting as Dan Friedman

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj


On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:48 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


4. Once you *had* settled on these two people to
spray with invective, how did you know what their
common derogatory nicknames were on this forum?
I mean, you called vajradhatu108 Vag, a derog-
atory and insulting permutation of his posting
ID that is commonly used here by people with a
grudge against him.


And here I thought it was a compliment on my consciousness being like  
the organ that created all sentient beings. Boy did I get that one  
wrong!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An open letter to the person posting as Dan Friedman

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj


On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


Not according to Ikky#363;, 15th-century Zen Master and poet:

A Woman's Sex

It has the original mouth but remains wordless;
It is surrounded by a magnificent mound of hair.
Sentient beings can get completely lost in it
But it is also the birthplace
of all the Buddhas of the ten thousand worlds.


Whew!

I was concerned this could mean that after age 50 I became a cougar- 
like being that stalks younger men or even worse: I bleed and become  
irritable on a monthly basis!


I'm totally cool with being the birthplace of all the Buddhas of the  
ten thousand worlds. What a compliment...thanks Dan!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can a jyotish chart be cast for Curiosity?

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj


On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Come on, someone must have something to say about this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 Seems to me all the present experts can do is cast for Earth. But  
maybe with some datafeed from NASA could give a jyotishi the place  
to stand and the chart could then be said to at least be done  
according to Hoyle.



All jyotish algorithms that I'm familiar with use standard  
astronomical routines for earth-based positions, not extraterrestrial  
ones. So if you wanted to use the earth launch point, you'd be in  
luck, but if you want to use a Martian one, you'd be out of luck.


Add to that that all jyotish is cognized from an earth-centered  
worldview, you'd have no jyotish-based predictions to even utilize.


The only way around this is use an astronomical program that allows  
views from other solar system vantage points, and then apply standard  
jyotish to the resulting sidereal information.


Your best option might be to consult a living jyotish rishi like yogi  
Karve.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can a jyotish chart be cast for Curiosity?

2012-08-06 Thread Vaj

On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 Besides being nonsensical from a logical perspective because the 'influences' 
 of the various celestial bodies are only spelled out in an incredibly vague 
 way, astrology has problems even on Earth. There are no rising signs at the 
 poles where the stars rotate around the horizon (left to right at the North, 
 and right to left at the South) without rising or setting). Even close to the 
 poles, many stars do not rise or set.

That’s true, but then, that merely represents a certain background of cosmic 
radiation coming from those areas, only changing slowly over vast epochs of 
human time. Human DNA evolved against that very background radiation of antique 
starlight - and the moving arcs of the planets and the zodiac, has followed 
humanity far longer than most could even imagine. 

They’re influence is embedded deep within human memory and our very DNA.

 
 (Note, the precise calculations of the location of celestial bodies are now 
 done using values from the science astronomy and physics - astrologers never 
 look at the sky or use traditional instruments to locate and predict where 
 they are. These values can be made very precise, but how is the so-called 
 influence determined in principle? Only the result has been stated, not how 
 it was derived.) 

Yogi Karve would simply see them, in consciousness, as soon as he placed his 
attention on you. When an old acquaintance walked into the room, he remembered 
the person not by their physical appearance - but he saw your rising signs and 
planets, imprinted at the moment of your first breath, forever in their koshas.

 
 Another problem is the stars are in motion, over long periods of time, such 
 as 50,000 years, the constellations we see today mostly do not hold together 
 at all. The fixed sphere of stars is anything but. The North Star and/or the 
 South Star is usually not there at all, and if a star is close to one of the 
 celestial poles, it is seldom there for more than a thousand years or so.

Relative to human time, their movement is very slow.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Dan Friedman

2012-08-05 Thread Vaj

On Aug 5, 2012, at 1:50 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
 anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  Mr Friedman, you vocabulary seems have undergone 
  considerable attrition compared to earlier posts. 
  Perhaps you should have a neurologist check you 
  for brain damage, just as a precaution. If you 
  lose any more words, you may be mute for the 
  rest of your life.
 
 Remember, this is the same guy who started out
 at Fairfield Life trying to find out the real
 identities of posters he didn't like. At the
 time, folks suspected he might have intended
 to do them harm. It's good to know that instead
 he probably just wanted to yell at them like
 a crazy person. 
 
 This must be what TMers mean when they use the
 word coherence. :-)

Maybe evidence for higher states of consciousness?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-05 Thread Vaj

On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:

  I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly 
  and brutally murdered.
 
 
 Why?
 
 Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered?

So you’re posing that he was suicidal?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-05 Thread Vaj

On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote:

  That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it
  some other yogi? 
  
  
  
  Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered.
  The news came as quite a shock to him.
 
 
 Rick, you just spoiled Vaj's day!

Someone has to be still thinking in terms of “all possibilities” Feste...



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-05 Thread Vaj

On Aug 5, 2012, at 5:40 PM, cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
 
  
  On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
  
I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so 
sadly and brutally murdered.
   
   
   Why?
   
   Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered?
  
  So you're posing that he was suicidal?
 
 
 WTF!? Oh, well, shucks... :D


Well if he had actual (not alleged) foreknowledge, his preciousness as a yogi 
could have benefitted more beings had he lived longer, so therefore ignoring 
that reality, one would be in effect, be committing suicide not only for 
oneself, but for those who could have benefitted from his life, had he lived. 
It would be, in more Hindu terms, as if he ignored those enmired in samsara - 
for his own karmic benefit or escape.

Magnified consciousness does come with magnified responsibilities, no?

But I suspect the story relayed here has more to do with post hoc inventions of 
his disciples than TWB himself...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-04 Thread Vaj

On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Vaj
 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
 Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to 
 Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. 
 They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing 
 what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging 
 Maharishi's feet after we have been together. 
 
  
 
 So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-)
 
  
 
 Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a 
 foot rub to recharge his shakti.
 

Interesting thought.

I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly and 
brutally murdered.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-04 Thread Vaj

On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the 
 mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot 
 for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or 
 '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee 
 told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, 
 that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some 
 yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him 
 with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a 
 couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful 
 yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked.


That’s a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it 
some other “yogi”? 

[FairfieldLife] Russia moves nuclear missiles into Cuba

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj


In 2001 I, as the President of the Russian Federation and the  
supreme commander, deemed it advantageous to withdraw the radio- 
electronic center Lourdes from Cuba. In exchange for this, George  
Bush, the then U.S. president, has assured me that this decision  
would become the final confirmation that the Cold War was over and  
both of our states, getting rid of the relics of the Cold War, will  
start building a new relationship based on cooperation and  
transparency. In particular, Bush has convinced me that the U.S.  
missile defense system will never be deployed in Eastern Europe.


 The Russian Federation has fulfilled all terms of the agreement.  
And even more. I shut down not only the Cuban Lourdes but also Kamran  
in Vietnam. I shut them down because I gave my word of honor. I, like  
a man, has kept my word. What have the Americans done? The Americans  
are not responsible for their own words. It is no secret that in  
recent years, the U.S. created a buffer zone around Russia, involving  
in this process not only the countries of Central Europe, but also  
the Baltic states, Ukraine and the Caucasus. The only response to  
this could be an asymmetric expansion of the Russian military  
presence abroad, particularly in Cuba. In Cuba, there are convenient  
bays for our reconnaissance and warships, a network of the so-called  
jump airfields. With the full consent of the Cuban leadership, on  
May 11 of this year, our country has not only resumed work in the  
electronic center of Lourdes, but also placed the latest mobile  
strategic NUCLEAR MISSILES (emphasis added) Oak on the island. They  
did not want to do it the amicable way, now let them deal with this,  
Putin said.


Full article:

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/01-08-2012/121804- 
russia_army_base-0/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj


On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

  So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite  
different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My,  
oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of  
decorum or decency.

 
  I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting  
anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with  
people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's  
really the purpose of this forum, is it not?

 


 If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around  
us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in  
the most relative terms, in our life.


 So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who  
caused friends to be expelled from college


Only MIU could expel people.


I think the key word you're missing is caused. RWC did not expel  
these students, he was the cause of their expulsion.


 some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an  
inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and  
worth risking their young careers, their young lives.


The word young makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had.  
I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk.


Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did  
not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled.


How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of  
maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have  
talked to the students that were tricked


How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent,  
sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life  
is without risk.


The key trick was look at me, I'm an enlightened man and based on  
that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really  
the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed  
great emphasis on alleged higher states of consciousness and here  
was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the  
flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and  
maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students.





into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome  
programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to  
them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.


So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are  
they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?


I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,  
so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?





How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some  
couples evolution?


Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a  
free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.


But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the  
advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem  
is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)


Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram,  
I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very  
different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser -  
and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these  
spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or  
victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world.





 And then there is the demonic confrontations...

That  ... implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination.


Only if they don't ask or make inquiry.

Hopefully we would ask ourselves what benefit there was from it? Was  
it real? Did it represent a pathology of some sort in the guru or  
some form of direct seeing (of ultimate reality)?


If it wasn't real, what does that mean if we encounter similar  
situations later in life? Are we wiser in response to what we  
learned, or do we ignore what we've seen and not act in ways that are  
helpful?


Each person will respond very differently. For example one might  
expect someone who was found to be demonic would react strongly,  
someone who never was, less so.




 Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into  
that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your  
perception) once again. What do you do then Feste?


We know what you do Vaj.


I doubt that, because most of the meaty discussion of RWC and WTS  
have not taken place on FFL. They've taken place offlist between old  
movement insiders, therapists and people who were there.





 If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then  
maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you,  
you've missed their very presence.


OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ, or as  
Tea

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj


On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a  
perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong?  
Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many  
others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he  
wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years?


 
 
  into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome
  programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to
  them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.
 
  So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are
  they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?

 I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

Me too.


Let's please keep in mind though, that for some people this type of  
trauma can last many years or even a lifetime. A recent example, in  
the context of the TMO provides an example:


http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2012/07/recovering-from-transcendental.html




 So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,
 so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?

I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go.


Thanks, but I'm fine.




 
 
  How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some
  couples evolution?
 
  Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone  
is a

  free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.

 But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the
 advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the  
problem

 is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)

And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible  
to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing  
babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right?


Well hopefully it doesn't end in expulsion from college or whatever...



Re: [FairfieldLife] Gullible Seeker Syndrome

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj


On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:37 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


I'm going to chop out the specifics in your comments,
Vaj, and reply to them as the more generic statements
they are. This is *not* a TM-specific issue.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 The key trick was look at me, I'm an enlightened man...

That's the key trick in almost all of these kinds of
situations. The trick works best on communities of seekers
in which no one ever seems to achieve the goal that they
espouse. When people have *heard about* enlightenment
for many years but never experienced it themselves, and
in many cases never seen a living embodiment of it, they
become suckers for anyone who breezes into town wearing
Narcissistic Personality Disorder-induced charisma, and
just *believe* them. If you question them about it, the
conversation usually goes like this:

Me: So how do you know that this person was enlightened?
Them: Why, he (or she) said so, of course.
Me: But how do you know that he (she) was telling you
the truth?
Them: That's easy -- the enlightened never lie.
Me: But how do you know this to be true?
Them: Both my former teacher and my current one said so.
Me: But how do you know that the people saying this knew
what they were talking about?
Them: Because they were enlightened, silly.
 repeat ad nauseum 


In this case, there was the rather tentative Marshy said so...well  
kinda...until the court case when M. said No! (he's not enlightened).




 ...and based on that faulty information (from my POV) they
 preceded. I guess really the issue here is that they were
 part of an organisation that placed great emphasis on alleged
 higher states of consciousness...

Without ever showing anyone a legitimate example of them.


At that time, many of us actually believed the research which claimed  
to be examples of such changes! Little did we know that independent  
experts had, as early as the 80's, already shown most of these claims  
were wrong or very exaggerated at best. And given there was no  
transparency, no one even bothered to tell any of us about these  
independent views. We were a deliberately constructed vacuum.





 In such a case [claiming to be enlightened], the onus falls
 on the integrity, honesty and maturity of the guru, as he's
 taking responsibility for his students.

However, if the person is suffering from NPD and only *thinks*
that he or she is enlightened, they don't feel this sense of
responsibility. One of the primary symptoms of narcissism is
the inability to care for other people or feel responsibility
for them; narcissists only pretend to.


Precisely, good point, esp. in this case since RWC does fit quite of  
few of the criteria.





 ...the problem is, 'what happens when da guru ain't
 enlightened?' ;-)

Or not even close?

The problem, as I see it, is gullibility. Seekers are
in many cases so *desperate* for someone to tell them
what to do to realize their own enlightenment that they
will believe almost anyone who claims to be able to do
that.


Well and consider RWC, with his MFA had quite the stage show. In  
retrospect the demonic confrontation thing could have been straight  
out of some charismatic southern church.



They hear sales pitches like My method is the fastest
method ever devised for realizing enlightenment, and
it NEVER EVEN OCCURS TO THEM to ask the obvious
question: Oh yeah? Show me some of your students who
have become enlightened as a result of doing what you
told them.

 Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or
 Rajneeshpuram, I'd hope you can see that a similar seed
 exists in these very different circumstances. So my hope
 would be that we become wiser - and hopefully more
 compassionate in action - from seeing these spiritual
 pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or
 victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world.

I completely agree with your use of the terms spiritual
pathologies and enablers.

...
 If it wasn't real, what does that mean if we encounter similar
 situations later in life? Are we wiser in response to what we
 learned, or do we ignore what we've seen and not act in ways
 that are helpful?

My experience is that those who respond to narcissistic
charisma in one spiritual teacher will do so over and over
again, seemingly without learning a damned thing. And along
the way they'll vehemently deny that any of their decisions
to follow people they no longer consider good teachers were
flawed, or that the teachers themselves were flawed. They'll
trot out the enabler language, and say that they made
the right decision at the time, denying vehemently that
either they or the teacher in question ever made a Bad
Decision.


That certainly sounds like Ann, from my POV any way.

Interesting how Robin never seems to interact with her. What's up  
with that?




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj

On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com wrote:

 See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to 
 Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. 
 They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing 
 what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging 
 Maharishi's feet after we have been together. 

So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

2012-08-03 Thread Vaj

On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com wrote:

 One would have thought that if what Judith Bourque has told is is true, then 
 Maharishi somehow would have had to bear the consequences of this; and this 
 would, however imperceptibly, show up in his performance. It would almost be 
 like discovering Saint Francis secretly sponsored dog-fighting. I know that 
 sounds harsh, but the idea of Maharishi transferring his love for his 
 Master--and the Holy Tradition--to a woman and and an experience which he 
 knew was ephemeral, which he knew was impossible to sustain in the context of 
 his role in the world, why this just defies the imagination--it does mine, 
 anyhow. I trusted Maharishi in this way, not on the basis of simply his 
 enlightenment, but on the very form that enlightenment took, which was as a 
 traditional celibate Saint. 


It has (appeared in his “performance”), wasn’t it Judith who noted the distress 
of Maheshiji and the drowning of a student on a course as stemming from his own 
sexual karmas? Perhaps that was from Conny Larsson?


From Robert McCutcheon: (Maharishi's former secretary)

Ned, you are spot-on in what you say about Maharishi and the TM movement. My 
faith in Maharishi's supposed perfection dissipated when he got sexually 
involved with Jennifer. Then when she left him and went to hide out in 
Switzerland with Bev and Fran, I observed him reduced to the status of a 
quivering adolescent.


Vaj - apparently great yogic-rishi types turn into sniveling, quivering 
adolescents when the lingam can no longer find the yonified field. Who’da thunk?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj


On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:13 AM, awoelflebater wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


  Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
  that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I
  make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
  because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.


 Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be  
reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back  
when. It's too uncannily familiar.


Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for  
anything except something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So  
don't start defining categorically the characteristics of those who  
found and followed and engaged Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the  
woods and hardly without smarts so you can just stuff that little  
assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it belongs.


Well don't assume I was talking about you. I believe you had already  
graduated, no?





 It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's  
founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an  
out-of-jail pedophile at a playground.


You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren  
call of Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I  
think you're a little late joining the queue. It wound itself down  
25 years ago. But I have some great old pictures if you want to  
relive some great old times.


I'd be happy to see them. Thanks for sharing.




I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd  
that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans  
here!).


What does this falling for it look like? Perhaps you are  
mistaking civilized exchange for adulation.


I'm mere observing a old patterns I've seen before, no more, no less.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj


On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
All I did was forward a music video, under the same
Subject title that the person who sent it to me in
email did.

FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect
soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been
proposing lately to describe common behavior in
spiritual groups.


And that's a given. One expects it.

But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
listeningvia email.


Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield  
you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first  
in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost  
adulation!



Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement?  
TIA. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj


On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:18 PM, iranitea wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:



 The examples you cite are not of people being controlled by the  
TMO. They are examples of people being excluded from the dome,  
which is quite different. No one is being controlled. People are  
making choices, that's all. If someone excludes you from their  
club, do you feel controlled?


Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the  
club makes demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner  
attitude, AND make this clear to me in unmistakeble terms, the  
execute control. TM is more than just a club they joined, which  
could be substituted by any other club around the corner at any  
time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a beliefsystem as well. You will  
notice this once you leave.



While it makes sense that dome admins want and need to have everyone  
compliant if they are to actually be doing 'the same program at the  
same time'. The not-so-obvious downside of this is people who  
practice, say Buddhism or Sufism or whatever will have other  
spiritual teachers and other spiritual practices they do. If such a  
person is banned from the domes, they'd in effect be banning them  
from the practice of their own religion of choice. So much for TM not  
interfering with religion, huh?


That's not to say the movement hasn't had problems with things like  
this before, sometimes from deliberate subterfuge. In the 80's Robin  
Carlsen created a faux-TM Sidhi practice called Technique for the  
Discovery of Grace, a bizarre variation of the TMSP, and then had  
MIU students go to the domes and practice it there, to deliberately  
stir the pot.


Unfortunately Grace left Robin long ago for another man. :-(

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj


On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 While it makes sense that dome admins want and need to have
 everyone compliant if they are to actually be doing 'the same
 program at the same time'. The not-so-obvious downside of
 this is people who practice, say Buddhism or Sufism or whatever
 will have other spiritual teachers and other spiritual practices
 they do. If such a person is banned from the domes, they'd in
 effect be banning them from the practice of their own religion
 of choice. So much for TM not interfering with religion, huh?

Interesting. I'm thinking not so much about people
being kept from the domes because of their religious
practices, but whether the dome program *itself* has
ever been an issue for religious people.


Well for Jews and Christians there's always been the biblical  
injunction Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What happens  
when a TMer arrives at the heavenly gate and Ole St. Pete senses the  
mantra of another god or goddess neuroplastically locked into their  
mode of functioning? Purgatory or Hell? Dunno.


This little problem was always danced around by Mahesh  Co. by  
claiming the mantras were meaningless sounds. While they are not  
assigned a specific meaning in the practice of TM, they do, alas,  
have very specific meanings and gods or goddesses (other than YHVH-1)  
to which they belong.



Say someone is a devout Muslim. They are supposed to
pray at certain specified times of the day, without
fail. What if the Muslim in question was participating
in the dome program and the time for his Maghrib
(sunset) prayer rolls around. Is he supposed to move
to the side of the dome, spread out his prayer rug,
and do his prayers there, before returning to the
TM-siddhi program, or is he supposed to skip his
Muslim prayers?


H. Now that would be interesting to see.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj

On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
 accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's 
 hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
 
 I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is 
 working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
 debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
 it not? 
 


If we’re honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
hopefully tack close to what’s actually happening, even in the most relative 
terms, in our life.

So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends 
to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to 
went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and 
worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you 
hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of 
domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into 
violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I’ve 
heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still 
doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending 
abortion for some couples “evolution”? 

And then there is the demonic confrontations...

Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person 
again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do 
you do then Feste?

If you don’t get that you’re his target audience Feste, then maybe it’s because 
the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you’ve missed their very presence.

 I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 


I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
sentimental moments. R’s sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk. 

[FairfieldLife] Blue Man Group and Dr. Dan Siegel

2012-08-02 Thread Vaj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ0IEttCjj0

Blue Man Group and Dr. Dan Siegel team up to illustrate the principle behind 
his new book, Mindsight: The New Science of Personal Transformation!

A groundbreaking book on the healing power of mindsight, the potent skill 
that is the basis for both emotional and social intelligence. Mindsight allows 
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Dr. Siegel is one of the revolutionary global innovators in the integration of 
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that will literally change the wiring and architecture of their brain.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gore Vidal Dies

2012-08-01 Thread Vaj


On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

The writer Gore Vidal died yesterday. I only read one work of his  
but it had a wide influence on my life. I was all of 14 or 15 when  
it crossed my path. The book was 'Messiah', a novel about the rise  
of a fictional death cult religion that eventually mostly takes  
over humanity. I think this book was always in the back of my mind  
when I eventually got involved in spiritual movements myself. Like  
the small mammals in the time of the dinosaurs, staying more in the  
shadows of the lumbering giants keeps one from getting sucked up in  
the tornado at the pinnacle of spiritual groups where basically one  
is not likely to have much of a normal life. The book is an  
illustration of how a spiritual movement wanders into the land of  
strangeness and theocratic tyranny as it evolves.


Other than watching him debate William F. Buckley during the  
presidential conventions during the 1960 U.S. presidential election  
campaign (Kennedy  Nixon), and possibly hearing some dialogue he  
wrote to trim up the screenplay for the motion picture Ben Hur  
(1959), my knowledge of this man is slight, but he left an  
indelible mark.



Vidal's times on Real Time with Bill Maher are a must see as are his  
interviews on Democracy Now!. I remember on hearing that his life was  
near the end feeling what a huge loss this is for the younger  
generations, as he represented one of the most mature liberal minds  
of our time with some real wisdom to impart.





Re: [FairfieldLife] The Robin Carlsen Story

2012-08-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
 that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
 make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
 because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.


Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous 
incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It’s too uncannily 
familiar. 

It’s interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it’s founder and 
allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile 
at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only 
crowd that fall for the routine (I’m excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern

2012-07-31 Thread Vaj


On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, feste37 wrote:

We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be  
lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and  
nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up  
because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly  
arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint  
Share vs. Stupid Sal.



IIRC Saint Share actually was the person who ran the Fairfield  
Kiosk email list, set up as an alternative to the negativity of FFL.  
No negativity was allowed on this list and I believe it was moderated  
by her. At the time, apparently FFL was just to negative to bear.


Needless to say, this sattvic alternative to FFL never took off -  
(must have been the artificial sweetners). And look who showed up here.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:34 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Welcome back, Vaj! Interesting thoughts.
 
 One thing that is also a misunderstanding of the terms subtle and vague. The 
 instruction in TM is always to pick up the mantra on the level of thought, 
 where one just is at the moment, and then think it like any other thought, it 
 would automatically correspond in subtlety with ones level of awareness. The 
 impression of the mantra being vague or distant, comes from the fact that the 
 mind is unacquainted with these subtle states, therefore it cannot perceive 
 them properly.

Unfortunately you’ll always have meditation students who over-parse or obsess 
on inconsequential details to the point of taking meditative instruction to 
heart, but totally missing the spirit of what one’s doing.

When one is back in thoughts, one has failed to maintain the transcendent, and 
so one needs to non-judgmentally train oneself to re-acquire the object of 
meditation (in this case, the mental object which is the mantra). That’s all. 
It’s technical term is known as “repairing”.

In general in meditative forms that favor mental quiesence it’s better to have 
balanced attention using the object of meditation and that includes balanced 
vivid perception, not fuzzy or foggy perception of the object of meditation. If 
the object becomes too vague, there’s always the danger that one will fall into 
the defects of meditation, in this case, laxity. This is probably why 
independent peer-reviewed research on TM which does not cultivate balanced 
attention show that the majority of practitioners and actually in descending 
sleep cycles (i.e. napping).

This may also be why more and more Domers are incorporating Mindfulness into 
their TM practice (MTM). This is helping compensate for the 
over-institutionalisation of “effortlessness” in the TM Org and the loss of 
purity of the tradition.

 This would be a sign for the beginner, that the mantra has become more 
 refined. In a certain way, the vagueness of the mantra is signified between 
 the distance of the thinking mind in meditation, to the obviously more subtle 
 perception of the mantra.

 Imagine you stand near the highway, while cars are rushing with 90 mph, it 
 will be hard for you to notice details on the car while they are rushing by. 
 But if you are going with a similar speed, (if you are not driving yourself) 
 you can look at the car and see many details. 
 
 The problem comes as it is habitual for many TMers to have thoughts and 
 mantra going parallel. Then this impression comes that Lawson says that the 
 mind stuff feels mantra-ish, or uses words like mantraness (To all TM newbies 
 and lurkers here: These are NOT terms used by the TMO, or part of the TM 
 instructions, they are inventions of Lawson). That is to say, that the mantra 
 is going on in the background, most likely while other thought activity is 
 going on in the foreground. The mantra is obviously not perceived as mantra 
 anymore, it is just perceived that it is somehow there. A vagueness that is 
 not directly perceived but by its effects, as, I guess Lawson had something 
 in mind like a coloring of the mind. It's more like a neutrino or the Higgs 
 particle, which cannot be detected directly anymore, but through its effects.

It could also be that he was never instructed on the signs and significance of 
ajapa-japa: the continuation of mantra continuously beyond meditation sessions.

 
 But the mantra is not an end in itself, all these perceptions are just WITHIN 
 the mind, it is just more of mind, and therefore quite useless.
 
 The instruction in the checking notes is, when one notices the mantra and 
 strong thought activity, one should give slight preference to the mantra, 
 while not pushing the thoughts away.
 
 To speak of the mantra as being there, while a person would not even notice 
 it, as Judy has once in the past suggested to me, is simply an absurdity. 

Cultivating a fuzzy awareness is why we’ve come to call such practitioners 
dTMers, short for discursive TMers (not to be confused with demonic TMers ;-)).



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:01 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Vaj said: Someone practicing at the finest levels will be able to experience 
 around 512 thought-recitations of mantra to the average beginners 1 
 vibration.
 
 If we would have just one person practicing like this in the domes, having 
 512 thought recitations, that's almost the amount of pundits they now gonna 
 import. They could save some money and just import 44 pundits.


Fortunately, there are groups that are helping sidhas train in bindu-bhedhana 
which previously would only have been practiced by close students of Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:37 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
 
  
  This may also be why more and more Domers are incorporating Mindfulness 
  into their TM practice (MTM). This is helping compensate for the 
  over-institutionalisation of effortlessness in the TM Org and the loss of 
  purity of the tradition.
 
 Though I think Vaj is just picking stuff out of thin air as usual this could 
 very well be a scenario in the future and a good reason to sell the Domes for 
 1 $ and move the rest of the operation to India.


Mindful TM, MTM, is currently practiced by numerous dome-going sidhas in 
Fairfield. I cannot say about other group practice centers. Hopefully this 
coherence will spread from FF to others TM Org pithas.

Even the initials of the word are more balanced!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Vaj, do you realize that MTM also stand for Mary Tyler Moore and that this 
 came out in the famous Merv Griffin Show with Maharishi and Clint and Mary?
 MTM was the name of her production company.  She made a joke about Mary's TM. 
  Maharishi playfully corrected her.
 
 More seriously, I still think that long term TMers spontaneously fall into 
 mindfulness but it's called something else:  yogah stah kuru karmani, 
 established in Being perform action.  And in this sense, every thinking is an 
 action.
 
 OTOH maybe should read book on Mindfulness by Thich Nhat Hanh.

For me, it’s all about balance. From my POV, what appears to happen in some 
meditation practitioners is that the object of meditation, the mantra in TM, 
becomes a non-ascertained object to an inattentive awareness. As awareness 
allegedly expands, moments of non-ascertaining awareness should decrease and 
inattentive awareness should be replaced with an over-arching awareness or 
presence. It’s the over-arching remembering that keeps a practice from falling 
into non-attentive states and it’s sequelae.

Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thanks.  This is clear and very helpful.
 
 Just one question:  it seems you are using awareness, presence and 
 remembering interchangeably (see snip below).  Am I understanding correctly?
 
 over-arching awareness or presence. It’s the over-arching remembering

In this model, awareness becomes sheer-awareness, which dissolves into nondual 
presence. All three are maintained and supported by an over-arching 
mindfulness. Combined with introspection we can thus develop a type of 
metacognition that can operate as a kind of “quality control” for quickly 
detecting laxity or mental over-excitation.

In Buddhist tradition, a mind that can falls into laxity or over-excitation is 
considered “dysfunctional”. Heaven forbid we actually train our mindstream as 
dysfunctional because of institutionalized fear of balanced attention! ;-)

[FairfieldLife] That infamous chord...

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj
Jhang!

The opening chord of A Hard Days Night. I always played a Gsus4 or a couple 
other variations in the first position. The Complete Beatles score actually 
notates two guitars and McCartney’s bass: my aforementioned Gsus4 as guitar one 
and guitar two is Gsus4 (III), full barre. Paul plays a D bass counterpoint.

There's an article on the internet that shows how it was deconstructed 
accurately [see below]. There are many iterations out there that are 
wrong or incomplete. For example: One or two notes of the chord are 
provided by a piano [and no other instrument]. That is missing from your 
example.

It was definitively solved by Jason Brown of Dalhousie’s Department of 
Mathematics. He decided to try and see if he could apply a mathematical 
calculation known as Fourier transform 
http://www.science20.com/search/node/Fourier. That, along with some 
fine detective work gave the result. Here's a link to the story [but 
there's another one in quite a bit greater depth but I don't have the 
link now]:
.
.
http://www.science20.com/news_releases/beatles_unknown_hard_days_night_chord_mystery_solved_using_fourier_transform
.
.
Here's another link that mentions the piano chord, although I don't know 
it it's right:
.
http://everything2.com/title/The%2520%2522A%2520Hard%2520Day%2527s%2520Night%2522%2520Chord%2520-%2520Rock%2527s%2520Holy%2520Grail
.
.
And here's a bit of info from Wikipedia:


   Opening chord

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_2.png 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_2.png
A Hard Day's Night opening chord option: G7sus4.
One may quickly and easily compare the presence or absence of notes, 
and their range http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_%28music%29, even 
without the ability to read music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_5.png 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_5.png
A Hard Day's Night opening chord option: Dm7sus4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_7.png 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord_7.png
A Hard Day's Night opening chord option: Prof. Brown's analysis.

A Hard Day's Night is immediately identifiable before the vocals 
even begin, thanks to George Harrison 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Harrison's unmistakable 
Rickenbacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickenbacker 360/12 
12-string guitar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar's mighty 
opening chord.^[12] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEJackson2005112-11
 
According to George Martin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Martin, We knew it would open 
both the film and the soundtrack LP, so we wanted a particularly 
strong and effective beginning. The strident guitar chord 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_chord was the perfect 
launch,^[10] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTELewisohn198843-9
 
having what Ian MacDonald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MacDonald 
calls, a significance in Beatles lore matched only by the concluding 
E major http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_chord of A Day in the 
Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Life, the two 
opening and closing the group's middle period of peak 
creativity.^[13] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMacDonald2005115-12
 
That sound you just associate with those early 1960s Beatles 
records.^[14] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBacon200011-13
 


About this sound 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord.ogg 
Listen to the opening chord 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord.ogg(help
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help·info 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_opening_chord.ogg)

Analysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_analysis of the chord 
has been debated,^[15] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHook2005-14
 
it having been described as G7add9sus4 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventh_chord#Fourth,^[16] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGlynn200433.2C_68-15
 
G7sus4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspended_chord,^[17] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTERooksby200461-16
 
^[18] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTELeonard2003126-17
 
or G11sus4^[12] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28song%29#cite_note-FOOTNOTEJackson2005112-11
 
and others below.

The exact chord http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_%28music%29 is an 
Fadd9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_chord#Second confirmed by 
Harrison during an online chat on 15 February 2001:^[19] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: That infamous chord...

2012-07-29 Thread Vaj

On Jul 29, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Probably a mistake but they liked the sound of it enough to leave it in. 
 So you have all these music pundits trying to figure out what may well 
 have been a mistake. Gee, haven't they even made such a mistake and 
 though gee that actually sounds cool? I've certainly done that and in 
 fact some of the jazzier tunes I have on YouTube have those in them and 
 I haven't a clue what I did when I played them but they weren't the 
 intended chord. Some jazz pianists will tell you they just put their 
 hands down and whatever happens happens. Their hands unlike amateurs 
 still have some intelligence to avoid things that sound like clinkers.

It was planned.

According to George Martin, We knew it would open both the film and the 
soundtrack LP, so we wanted a particularly strong and effective beginning. The 
strident guitar chord was the perfect launch,[10]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation

2012-07-28 Thread Vaj

On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:42 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
 
  Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice.
 
 Lawson, you were making the point, that just thinking OF the mantra, would be 
 a subtle form of the mantra. And, since it is your main point here, to 
 immediately return to the mantra, if you notice it isn't there, as you make 
 this point again below, that it is imperial to follow the TM instruction, you 
 constantly contradict yourself.
 
 If the mantra can be so vague, that you don't know anymore if you are 
 thinking it or not, how could you then follow the instruction? You should at 
 least know if you are thinking the mantra, in order to be able to determine 
 if you should go back to it, when you are not. Now you say it doesn't matter 
 if it is subtle or not, then you claim, thinking about the mantra is a subtle 
 form thereof. It is all self contradictory. 
 
 You and Judy have been making this point for ages, that the mantra could be 
 so subtle, that you don't know if it's there. That's all BS, if you don't 
 know if it's there, you can't go back to it.
 
 So much for your 'I just follow instructions'

The primary indicator of reaching the end of mantra (the nādānta) is photism, 
as the mantra’s sound energy becomes light energy. An experienced mantra-yogi 
progresses through sixteen sequentially advanced stages in the refinement of 
the mantra. Someone practicing at the finest levels will be able to experience 
around 512 thought-recitations of mantra to the average beginners 1 vibration. 

Beginners mantra meditation methods come nowhere near this level of subtlety, 
so I wouldn’t expect Lawson to be really aware of this, although it’s not 
unusual for TMers to make really exaggerated claims about what they “think” 
they can do. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Paxil (or stuff) to blame!?

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:28 AM, cardemaister wrote:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

At least 14 people have been killed in a shooting at a Batman film  
premiere in the US city of Denver, police say.


About 50 people have been injured in the incident at the cinema  
complex in the suburb of Aurora.


Paxil? (lat. pax = peace)...



I'm just guessing, but I suspect guns were actually to blame. They're  
quite big in CO.


Oh, and Tim McVey Consciousness (Christian Al Qaeda Consciousness).

And all that home-schooling probably didn't help!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:07 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


There are times when people's desire and need for
attention -- and the extent to which they'll go to
get it -- just amazes me.

Lawson is still pissed off because I backed out of
what he perceived as an argument he could win,
and refused to waste my time with such someone
who could possibly care that much about being
right about a subject that scholars have been
debating -- and without a conclusion -- for 56
years. He spends his spare time on forums on
which 99.9% of the participants don't give a shit
about TM, trying to start up similar arguments
there that he can be right about.


I must have missed that! Poor Lawson is no doubt reeling from the  
failure of TM research to make a dent in the rapidly expanding world  
of advanced meditation research and development. Meditation HAS  
already made it's way into our classrooms, our hospitals, our  
therapists and even the US military - and it's all backed by peer  
review science. But sadly, it wasn't TM that's making cutting edge  
strides in neuroscience and biology.


For someone with OCD, it's hard to replace such a favorite obsession,  
let alone square it with failure. So there's bound to be much  
thrashing about because of this.



RC consistently berates the people gullible enough
to respond to his posts for snipping something they
found unworthy of commenting on, as if *every word*
MUST be commented on.


Let's not forget, he deliberately and calculatingly spreads lies  
about people, with the intent to harm. I guess that's what you get  
when you combine Catholicism with Neo-Vedism, a double dose of  
Patriarchal sensitivity.



This is what drove Curtis away
from him -- being so needy that he felt somehow
insulted or attacked if someone didn't respond to
every word of every reply.


In this matter, he has not changed an iota. Still the same needy, I- 
need-to-be-the-center-of-attention, look at me kinda guy people  
loved and loathed all those years ago - interspersed with various  
poeticisms and sentimentalities.


For those who aren't aware, RWC's guru schtick was centered around a  
stage - with him at the center of the attention by design. 'All the  
world's a stage and I'm talking so STFU!' It had an intrinsically  
narcissistic quality too it, which most ignored because R. could be  
both charming, beguiling and provocative in a European intellectual- 
meets-SCI kinda way. R. actually was working on a Masters in Theatre  
IIRC, and it showed in his whole approach to the guru biz, both the  
good and bad. His numerous lovable and positive qualities actually  
seemed to mask this dark side for many, like his own acquired Swiss  
mountain demon named Unity that no one could see but that we all  
heard about.



Fortunately, RC seems to
have figured out that I don't consider his words
worth reading in the first place, much less commenting
on, so he (unlike others) has caught a clue and stopped
trying to goad me into one of the endless, back-and-
forth confrontations he seems to live for.

What *clearly* gets Judy's panties into a twist more
than anything else is that I -- like Curtis and many
others before me -- have essentially written her off.
We have committed the Ultimate Sin -- not finding
her interesting enough to read or argue with. We
have withdrawn from her that which she craves the
most -- our attention. So she spends her time just
waiting for one of these people who have written her
off to say something that allows her to get them.
And when she does, many of her Minions In Training
pile on, because we often consider *them* uninter-
esting, too.


It's unfortunate because Judy does have some positive qualities IMO -  
but sadly this is part and parcel of the Borderline profile - the  
principle of charm used to draw in prey, and then blast them.



And people do all of this while considering them-
selves spiritual, and following not only a spiritual
path, but the *highest* spiritual path. Go figure.


Ah, the fruits of impeccable marketing - one of Maheshiji's finer  
qualities!



All of this desperate striving for attention. Even if
it's in the form of an argument. For some, *especially*
if it's in the form of an argument. Boring.


All the worlds a stage but I'm on now so STFU!



Re: [FairfieldLife] What is spiritual?

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj

On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Share Long wrote:

 The Great Oz has spoken!

 Now the Great Ozette will too!

 It's all spiritual.

Wow. Spiritual absolutism. Is that what they mean by falling into  
extremes?


 Best mileage around (-:

 btw, is it possible to know who curtis is?


A spiritual musician, folk music preservationist, performer and  
educator.

C. was targeted by a former enlightened member of FFL who tried to  
cause harm to him by spreading and seeding lies here, and on the web  
about who he was, in a serious attempt to damage his work life and  
his mission. Numerous folks here have had similar experiences, from  
attempts to damage people where they work to out-and-out death  
threats. Two of my death threats came from spiritual people from  
the FF, IA exchange. Imagine that!


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


he did Tolkien intend the LOTR as a Christian
allegory non-debate, or the fact that he's been
active on Reddit, making controversial posts about
TM and its supposed science, provoking debates,
and then coming back here and begging for FFLers
to come over there and either support him or
argue with him?

I really just don't GET the gotta argue...gotta
win thang, and the seeming need that some have
to suck people into arguments just so they can
convince themselves that they've won and that
they're right.


In science, much like living life, success is the greatest revenge.  
So people who are contributing to and performing good science reap  
the benefits by merely supplying good science and not stilted agendas.



snip
  RC consistently berates the people gullible enough
  to respond to his posts for snipping something they
  found unworthy of commenting on, as if *every word*
  MUST be commented on.

 Let's not forget, he deliberately and calculatingly spreads
 lies about people, with the intent to harm.

I think he actually believes Judy's lies about you, and
so he didn't think he was spreading lies, just The Truth
As We Who Know The Truth Know It. :-)


Gawd, I wouldn't know, don't read Judy's posts, other than what  
inadvertently seeps into others posts. She a really good liar if  
she's slipping them by Robin, as he's usually a pretty sharp cookie.





 I guess that's what you get
 when you combine Catholicism with Neo-Vedism, a double dose of
 Patriarchal sensitivity.

  This is what drove Curtis away
  from him -- being so needy that he felt somehow
  insulted or attacked if someone didn't respond to
  every word of every reply.

 In this matter, he has not changed an iota. Still the same
 needy, I-need-to-be-the-center-of-attention, look at me
 kinda guy people loved and loathed all those years ago -
 interspersed with various poeticisms and sentimentalities.

I tend to agree. I see very little difference between
what I read about his act then and his act now.

 For those who aren't aware, RWC's guru schtick was centered
 around a stage - with him at the center of the attention by
 design. 'All the world's a stage and I'm talking so STFU!'
 It had an intrinsically narcissistic quality too it, which
 most ignored because R. could be both charming, beguiling
 and provocative in a European intellectual-meets-SCI kinda
 way.

When he first showed up here, I basically knew very
little about him. I read about as much of his stuff
as I could stand during those first few days, and that,
interestingly enough *because* of the narcissism thang.
It was just so OBVIOUS. And so familiar.

Then again, you know that I spent some time with a
seriously Narcissistic Personality Disordered teacher,
Rama - Fred Lenz, and so I recognized all the signs.


Lenz was much more successful, Robin, not so much.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:45 AM, awoelflebater wrote:



A few possible middle names for Barry if he doesn't already possess  
one, and some even if he does:


Barry I'm so bored Wright
Barry I don't give a shit Wright
Barry you're a waste of my time Wright
Barry I couldn't care less Wright
Barry how could you all be so stupid Wright
Barry I don't have to prove anything Wright

Oh, and lastly Barry I just like to push buttons Wright



What about Barry Do Wright, named in honor of that famous Canadian,  
Dudley D. Wright? :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:53 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Hi Vaj, you asked me earlier to give you an example of your anger  
that I pointed out to you that I felt you were riddled with. Now do  
me a favour and just read what you wrote below, what you supported  
there. Now I would be interested to know how you are going to  
counter that this is not, in fact, a self-described, perfectly  
presented specimen of this anger. And in so doing you will also  
show us a perfect form of your denial and lack of self knowledge.  
However, I am prepared to be pleasantly surprised, delighted even,  
if you were to prove me wrong.



It's just divine comedy to me. If you don't see the absurd hilarity  
in what's being written about, then you're probably not going to get  
it. I was smiling when I wrote it, perhaps you need to be smiling  
inside when you read it? If you cannot see the juxtaposition of humor  
and 'seeing things as they are' in what I wrote, than my guess is  
you'll see the same anger you often see in others. But no, I was not  
angry when I wrote it.


What's interesting to me how judgmental you sound, in so doing you  
will also show us a perfect form of your denial and lack of self  
knowledge, as if you somehow knew another better than they did  
themselves, your third person POV replacing their first person POV -  
and your utter lack of feeling for the subjects raised. What's that  
about Anne?


As far as proving you wrong goes , from my POV it's your  
discrimination and resonance that's likely the issue, and nothing I  
say is going to change that in the time span of an email thread. When  
I consider that you hung out at WTS long after it was readily  
apparent to me that something was woefully wrong that would lead me  
to believe there's some reason for that.


Why aren't you angry that your former abuser (the person who declared  
you demonic and then banned you) is here on this list pulling a very  
similar song and dance? Or are you falling for it all again?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

What I have done is to accuse you of lying about having been  
initiated into TM, having confronted me in Washington, DC, and  
having met me in person or attended one of my seminars.


Well there you have it, so now you admit you did lie. Repeatedly I  
might add.



You have never once attempted to refute me—nor have you provided  
any evidence which would contradict this judgment I have made of you.



Why would I even bother? Seems kinda silly to me Robin. Sometimes if  
you give people enough rope, they hang themselves, and you seemed to  
be doing a fine job!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:21 AM, iranitea wrote:

Doesn't what Ann says directly contradict Robby boy? His 'your not  
having met me' and her 'I know your history with Robin' and 'You  
never experienced the Full Robin' seems to indicate that she  
agrees he actually met Robin in person, (even though not the 'full  
Robin', lol)


I'm sad and happy to say, I have met the full Robin (unless Anne's  
referring to some mysterious weight gain I was unaware of).


And if he was around MIU campus at that time, doesn't this indicate  
that he most probably learned TM? Why would he have been at MIU  
otherwise, and have known about Robin?


So who is lying here?


Robin, as usual.

Just for the record, Robin was given the chance to find out exactly  
what my involvement was last year, but never even bothered. Suffice  
to say, after my latest recollection of him one night, oh so long ago  
in FF, he knows. He knew before. He's just game playing, which IMO is  
just another old RWC behavior.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:15 PM, iranitea wrote:


This is the typical 'appeal to popularity' fallacy.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Most people approve of X (have favourable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply  
because most people are favourably inclined towards the claim. More  
formally, the fact that most people have favourable emotions  
associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual  
evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he  
accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people  
approve of the claim.



Yeah, Judy's known for her logical fallacies. It never ceases to  
amaze - perhaps that's what she means by I never lie - she doesn't,  
she just uses really bad logic, a lot of the time!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga

2012-07-20 Thread Vaj


On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

Not only this, I could never conceive of someone who deliberately  
spread lies with the intent to harm *even having the possibility of  
having numerous lovable and positive qualities. Can you?



I usually can find something positive or something that I love in  
just about anyone. I'm sorry Robin, but you're no exception to that.  
Didn't 'loving thy enemies' used to be a Christian virtue or was that  
edited out too? I guess I'm surprised that this is news to you.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:14 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Hey Vaj, I haven't spoken (written) to you for a while. Can I ask  
you something? I know your history with Robin, I know you, but just  
the teeniest bit, and I really have to wonder. For someone who  
jumped into the early days of WTS and jumped out again pretty  
quickly you seem so very bitter.


You know I find it interesting the conclusions people draw based on  
email posts. I actually had a great time, so there's very little to  
be bitter about.


Is this the direct result of your experience while involved or  
because you just let it fester over the years?


Honestly, I pretty much forgot about it. It didn't really have any  
relevance to my life.


I am not trying to be unreasonable here, to accuse you of anything.  
I am merely curious. You never experienced the Full Robin. You  
jumped ship long before the really interesting stuff started.


Well there was nothing more for me to do. I would have had absolutely  
no interest whatsoever in continuing any involvement with the WTS -  
from my POV once there's a realization that the guru isn't who he  
claims he is, why would I? So I just moved on, didn't look back and  
no I don't really have any strong emotions (except maybe laughter)  
relating to WTS and RWC.


What do you consider to be the really interesting stuff? Did I miss  
something? Robin levitating? :-)


Why so angry? If anyone has a reason to hate the man it would be  
me. But for whatever reason I do not.


It's interesting I occasionally get emails from PO'd TMers also  
claiming that I'm an angry person, which always puzzles me. I've just  
never been an angry person, sorry.


And currently I adhere to no religious teaching, spiritual  
tradition or living or dead teacher. Does your spiritual path  
include forgiveness, not in principal, but in real red-blooded  
experience? Because if not, I would suggest you change who and what  
you are professing to be your spiritual guidepost.


Well thanks for the thought. Would you please share the statements  
that you find so angry? That would be interesting to hear. TIA.


I asked this of you once before, back when I first started posting  
at FFL. Since then you seem to continue to savour this blood lust  
you have. (Sorry Barry, maybe a bit DQ on that one.) Anyway, I just  
wanted to check in again because I find you still deliciously  
licking your chops after drawing blood. It makes me just a tad queasy.


Wow, that's a bizarre POV, I'm not sure what to say.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

Come on, Vaj: You'll love it. Being straightforward, direct, true.  
Read all that I have said here and address it head-on.



Have you ever considered doing a bardo retreat? Then death will no  
longer be a mystery. Better to practice dying now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Navy SEAL Launches PAC To Fight Obama

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote:

What I wonder is why he thinks that Mitt Romney would somehow make  
better decisions about the military than Obama.


I don't recall hearing ANYTHIGN substantive from Romney on military  
issues.



Hasn't he indicated that he'd invade Iran AND that he'd not rule out  
the use of nuclear weapons? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:02 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


RC strikes me as *dependent* on Maharishi. Still.
Almost everything he says that he is or pretends
to be is in relation to Maharishi. His whole spiel
*requires* in the listener a knowledge of Maharishi
and what he taught to make any sense of it.



This actually surprised me, as I expected that R. too would have  
moved on. But certainly after his first fiery appearance here, it  
became very clear he was still burning a candle for Maheshiji.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:38 PM, sparaig wrote:


 The actual point of TM is to transcend ALL THE TIME - and thereby
 develop the alleged higher states of consciousness. If the purpose
 of TM was actually to transcend and NOT transcend, one could never
 reach to desired end, Cosmic Consciousness! In your model the  
state

 never becomes a stage.


/me sighs.

Post bookmarked for future reference next time Vaj claims to  
understand TM.



Of course to refute this you'd have to ignore the numerous statements  
of MMY where he describes the transition to nitya-samadhi- which  
really is the classical state becoming a stage thang. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:02 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

  RC strikes me as *dependent* on Maharishi. Still.
  Almost everything he says that he is or pretends
  to be is in relation to Maharishi. His whole spiel
  *requires* in the listener a knowledge of Maharishi
  and what he taught to make any sense of it.


 This actually surprised me, as I expected that R. too would have
 moved on. But certainly after his first fiery appearance here, it
 became very clear he was still burning a candle for Maheshiji.

RESPONSE:

You're like a person who lives through the moonlight and then tells  
someone what life is like without revealing there is a sun in the  
sky—and there is light.


You cut and paste the truth.

Vaj to God: Can we please do without the tigers, the peacocks, the  
elephants, and giraffes?


You'll have to become Peter Pan in your next life, Vaj.

The hummingbird does not whirl his wings with a lie.



It's amazing how little your response has to do with what I said!

Poetic ad hominems are still ad hominems R.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 9:49 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Ah, but maybe you could have allowed them to go where straight  
logic and analytic argument can not. Go where you are perhaps just  
a tad softer, nicer, perhaps more human(e). It has to be in there  
Vaj. You can show us, we want to see, at least I do.



I'll tend to look at what I feel the intention behind someone's words  
are and go with that - because the underlying intention is real meat  
of the matter, the driver. So that means when Robin or anyone else  
hands me a turd in a beautiful wrapping, I'm gonna cut to the reality  
that's present and let them know thanks, but no thanks, you can  
keep it. Remember I've seen R. blow his stack enough times that I  
know he's not always Mr. Sattva.  ;-)


I've noticed in your own interactions here Anne that there sometimes  
seems to be a disconnect between what's going on and your responses,  
as if your 'not getting it'.


I'm getting that same feeling again.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

But by the way you say something I want to remark on: 'Even such a  
doctrine as the Incarnation may be believed by people like  
yourself', as a mystery, till it is formulated, but as soon as it  
is it seems dragged down to the world of pros and cons, and *as its  
mystery goes*, so does its hold on their minds'. Italics the  
present writer's. You do not mean by mystery what a Catholic does.  
You mean an interesting uncertainty: the uncertainty ceasing  
interest ceases also. This happens in some things; to you in  
religion. But a Catholic by mystery means an incomprehensible  
certainty: without certainty, without formulation there is no  
interest (of course a doctrine is valuable for other things than  
its interest, its interestingness, but I am speaking now of that);  
the clearer the formulation the greater the interest. At bottom the  
source of interest is the same in both cases, in your mind and in  
ours; it is the unknown, the reserve of truth beyond what the mind  
reaches and still feels to be behind. But the interest a Catholic  
feels is, if I may say so, of a far finer kind than yours. Yours  
turns out to be a curiosity only; curiosity satisfied, the trick  
found out (to be a little profane), the answer heard, it vanishes  
at once. But you know there are some solutions to, say, chess  
problems so beautifully ingenious, some resolutions of suspensions  
so lovely in music that even the feeling of interest is keenest  
when they are known and over, and for some time survives their  
discovery. How must it then be when the very answer is the most  
tantalizing statement of the problem and the truth you are to rest  
in the most pointed putting of the difficulty! For if the Trinity,  
as Francis Newman somewhere says, is to be explained by grammar and  
by tropes, why then he could furnish explanations for himself; but  
then where would be the mystery? the true mystery, the  
incomprehensible one. At that pass one should point blank believe  
or disbelieve: he disbelieved; his brother, at the same pass,  
believed. There are three persons, each God and each the same, the  
one, the only God: to some people this is a 'dogma', a word they  
almost chew, that is an equation in theology, the dull algebra of  
schoolmen; to others it is news of their dearest friend or friends,  
leaving them all their lives balancing whether they have three  
heavenly friends or one—not that they have any doubt on the  
subject, but that their knowledge leaves their minds swinging;  
poised, but on the quiver. And this might be the ecstasy of  
interest, one would think. So too of the Incarnation, a mystery  
less incomprehensible, it is true: to you it comes to: Christ is in  
some sense God, in some sense he is not God—and your interest is in  
the uncertainty; to the Catholic it is: Christ is in every sense  
God and in every sense man, and the interest is in the locked and  
inseparable combination, or rather it is in the person in whom the  
combination has its place. Therefore we speak of the events of  
Christ's life as the mystery of the Nativity, the mystery of the  
Crucifixion and so on of a host; the mystery of being always the  
same, that the child in the manger is God, the culprit on the  
gallows God, and so on. Otherwise birth and death are not  
mysteries, nor is it any great mystery that a just man should be  
crucified, but that God should fascinates—with the interest of awe,  
of pity, of shame, of every harrowing feeling. But I have said  
enough. . . .



I like the choice he makes of the word mystery, as if posing some  
great secret hides a great unknowing.


With such great unknowing it's no surprise that those who rely on the  
crutch of faith seem like spiritual invalids to me. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj


On Jul 19, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

Vaj: Remember I've seen R. blow his stack enough times that I know  
he's not always Mr. Sattva.


Response: And you forgot to bring your flowers and fruit and a  
white handkerchief. And you forgot to fill out the form. And you  
didn't even talk to the initiator. And therefore, Vaj: you are a  
virgin when it comes to TM.


You have never seen R. blow his stack once. You are lying when you  
say this, Vaj. You are a liar. You never transcended because of  
Maharishi, and you never saw me blow my stack.


But I kite-surfed on Naples Beach, and all the young guys were  
amazed. I told them: Hey, fellows, it's 80 percent knowing how to  
fly a kite. After that it's just like being pulled along on a tube  
behind a boat—only the boat's in the sky.


By the way, in the sense you mean it, I have never blow[n] my  
stack once in my life.


Perhaps revealing the shortness of your temper would be a better  
choice of words?


I remember one time in particular. It was night time and we were  
casing the dome for the pamphlet drop. You weren't allowed on campus,  
so we were relegated to observing from the embankment of a nearby  
underpass.


So there are about 20 of us, standing in the dark, looking at the  
dome, in the dark - when I see some poor dog in the underbrush on the  
embankment opposite us who just realized there are 20 people staring  
at him. He had the most hilarious look of surprise on his little  
face. So I laughed out loud and pointed out the dog - which you had  
missed - and as everyone laughed, you snapped shut up!, and the  
group fell into silence.


Wonderful night really. Other than the testy guru. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-19 Thread Vaj

On Jul 19, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

 All you have to do is find some other way to refute what Vaj said.


Do you guys really have nothing else to do in your lives? She can twist things 
all you want, but if she missed the spirit of the message to begin with, all 
authenticity is lost and any further comment becomes meaningless. Like I said, 
there eventually is this 'burning of the strawmen” kinda theme you should 
expect...

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:55 AM, sparaig wrote:

Any review that big is bound to have issues. I believe I already  
linked to some of them.



IIRC the ONLY people who had any problem, was the TMO. In fact, they  
were so miffed at having their inadequacies exposed, they had TMO- 
affiliated statisticians forward a desperate response in the form of  
their own review. Now THAT'S desperate. When your sinking ship is  
only being held up by Oprah and Russell Brand, it's time to abandon  
ship!


It's pretty well known in Integrative circles that meditation is not  
the best intervention for BP issues, so much so that my physician  
prescribes yoga for moderately elevated BP.


The fact is, it was already well known that Transcendental Meditation  
blood pressure research was of poor quality, and that research was  
published in the Journal of Hypertension itself (!):


Insufficient evidence to conclude whether or not Transcendental  
Meditation decreases
blood pressure: results of a systematic review of randomized clinical  
trials.


META-ANALYSIS

Journal of Hypertension. 22(11):2049-2054, November 2004.

Canter, Peter H; Ernst, Edzard

Abstract:

Objective: To carry out an independent, systematic review of  
randomized clinical trials of

Transcendental Meditation (TM) for cumulative effects on blood pressure.
Method: Searches were made of electronic databases and the collected  
papers and official web
sites of the TM organization. We included only randomized clinical  
trials, without confounding
co-interventions, which measured the cumulative effects of TM on  
blood pressure.


Results: Six trials met the inclusion criteria but one, reported only  
in abstract form, could not be
evaluated. Procedures for establishing baseline blood pressure were  
adequate in only one trial.
Only one of the trials included a follow-on assessment and only one  
of the evaluable trials
tested the effect of TM in hypertensive individuals. Three of the  
five evaluable trials reported
statistically significant differences between intervention groups  
favouring TM and two found no
significant differences between intervention groups. None of the five  
studies was conducted by

independent authors without any affiliation to the TM organization.

Conclusion: All the randomized clinical trials of TM for the control  
of blood pressure published
to date have important methodological weaknesses and are potentially  
biased by the affiliation
of authors to the TM organization. There is at present insufficient  
good-quality evidence to
conclude whether or not TM has a cumulative positive effect on blood  
pressure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Obama Signs Executive Order Taking Control Over All Communication Under ...

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:38 PM, wle...@aol.com wrote:Obama Signs Executive Order Taking Control Over All Communication Under Any CircumstanceThank god! When can we expect the Oxy Moron to go off the air? Soon I hope. He's a traitor to the American people and should be executed for treason - on pay-per-view of course - so we can pay down the debt the Republicans left us from their unjust Christian wars against humanity! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

Now this leaves open the question, then, of Maharishi's actual  
status independently of TM (and everything else that was added to  
this over time). Are there persons—not Indian saints in the  
Himalayas—the saints in Rishikesh paid tribute to him in the late  
sixties—unanimously; they knew and apprehended him as a person  
fully realized—not to say dazzling and wonderful to behold and  
communicate with—Are there persons in the world who could view this  
video and recognize this was the most impressive human being of our  
lifetime? I am interested in this question, Share, because when I  
was loving Maharishi with the entirety of my being I would play  
vidoes of Maharishi to my non-TM friends, and I was alway shocked  
at their very mild and unspectacular experience of him. *I could  
not understand this*.



You seem to get easily bowled over by many things Robin. My family  
saw him as a con man in disguise - and guess what? They turned out to  
be right. What I see when I see Maharishi photos or videos I see an  
extremely clever and cunning individual who, probably because he was  
raised in significant poverty was driven to succeed no matter what or  
no matter who tried to get in his way. He had the intelligence and  
the ambition to be a successful CEO, and that's just what he became.


And, just to remind you, he gave me everything he promised. But I  
want to focus on him, the person. I believe there must be at least  
one person in the world—I assume more than one person—who really  
*knew* Maharishi in terms of what he represented as a member of the  
Holy Tradition,




Perhaps you need to read up on the topic - but Mahesh was never a  
part of the Holy Tradition, sorry, even he's acknowledged this. Truth  
be told, he would be more likely considered an Asuriac guru by most  
Hindu definitions. Perhaps he's what you at one time would have  
called a demonic guru?


in being a true Master, in being a person in a state of Vedic  
grace, in terms of being the smartest, wittiest, wisest, and more  
discerning person alive. No book has been written about Maharishi  
which even comes close to describing who he was as a man, as a  
human being, as a Master. I wait for such an account of Maharishi.




If it was an honest account, I doubt it would be anywhere near your  
rose-colored portrait. If anything, time has revealed the man behind  
the mask, while you (and many others) still seem strangely fixated on  
the mask...kinda funny, but kinda sad at the same time.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

But what did YOU think of him, Vaj? What was your own  
individualized perception and experience of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?  
You will never tell us this.


He always reminded me of a Hindu rug salesman, kinda greasy and  
agenda-driven. I liked some aspects of the Rig Veda he brought to  
light - presumably gleamed from various pundits he hung with. But as  
far as comparatively to other saints I've met, he just wasn't that  
impressive, other than in dress and presentation, which was always  
spot on and well managed. He truly was an exceptional marketer with  
a very fine eye for details, and that did show in everything he did.


These observations have been verified quite innocently through people  
I've met over the years, most notable being a friend who was on the  
Rishikesh course with the Beatles. Once I knew and understood there  
were certain behaviors that extended that far back, that was all I  
needed to know.


I respect your family's apprehension of MMY. I know of persons  
(whose judgment I trust) who have gone a lot further than the  
derogatory remarks you have made about Maharishi.




Can you share their observations?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:13 AM, sparaig wrote:

BTW, have you ever noticed that the way that asanas are taught in  
TM is a mild form of mindfulness practice and that the more formal  
course is even more mindfulness oriented?


I honestly never thought of them that way, although I often enjoyed  
the set of rounding asanas.



It is only in your own mind that it is an either/or thing.


Well then I guess you haven't been listening. I've pointed out  
several times that successful TM requires an over-arching mindfulness  
(Skt: smRti) of mantra, otherwise one would never return to the  
mantra, a process known as repairing (the inability to maintain  
the meditative object).


Body scanning, as in feel the body, is also a practice used in some  
mindfulness trainings.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

And for a perspective on Maharishi that I find unimpeachable I  
recommend Robert McCutcheon's Afterword and Witness Testimonial  
in Judy Bourque's *Robes of Silk Feet of Clay* (pp. 213-219). Quite  
definitive, I think.



I've not read it, although Gary has spoken to her (years ago) and  
read the book. I'll ask him to bring it when I see him September.


Another interesting POV on Maharishi is Cynthia Hume's Maharishi  
Mahesh Yogi: Beyond the TM Technique, although it does perpetuate a  
number of common falsehoods, it also puts to rest a few others. Her  
upcoming collaboration with Dana Sawyer should be very interesting.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Buck wrote:

I knew very little of the stories told in the film. It was rather  
disconcerting.



I believe if the parts of the interview with the Shankaracharya of  
Jyotir Math that were edited out of the movie are eventually included  
on the DVD, that will be extremely disconcerting to some. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

Here's the problem with your analysis, Vaj: If one were to read  
what Share Long has posted, then my post in response to her post, a  
person would form a certain portrait of this man—in the abstract,  
then. But presumably with some faint feeling of what this guy must  
have been like to know in person.


But if a person were to form their idea of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  
from your comments, *they would come away with an impression or  
idea of Maharishi which would not even begin to account for the  
influence he had, nor the context within which that video was  
created*.


Your 'truth' about Maharishi tends to reflect back upon you more  
than it leads the disinterested and impartial reader to the reality  
of Maharishi.


Do you understand how I could form this judgment of your post, Vaj?


I can, I just don't find it very convincing. I believe it's hard for  
you to let go of parts of our own history they you hold 'near and  
dear' to you. That's actually the function of the ego: to draw things  
towards one that enhances it, and to push away ones that do not. The  
tao is easy for those with no preferences, but always barred to the  
sentimental. I just think you're overly sentimental. And I do  
understand it's hard for some people to let go of their past.


Now, if you choose to respond to me, don't prove my thesis by  
drawing attention to yourself (your first person ontology) rather  
than, as you should, to this controverted issue of the truth about  
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.


I believe I hold within myself a critical stance towards Maharishi— 
in one very important way—which is more powerful and meaningful in  
its negative construal of this man than in anything you have ever  
said about him.


But I also have to be true to my *experience*—and the experiences  
of thousands of others.


And millions of Elvis fans...:-)

Maharishi had an influence upon me which has made me what I am—even  
though I consider him the enemy of my final personal integrity.


And so with many teachers. As I've said before 'you can take the  
teacher out of the TMO, but you can't take the TMO out of the  
teacher'. Thus we have numerous ex-TM teachers in the spiritual  
marketplace who leave the TM movement - only to become players in  
that same marketplace - plying their acquired TM-teacher skills to  
their new product line.


Why not just seek what is most real, Vaj, instead of being a  
crotchety, debunking, bitter hater of all things TM and Maharish  
and the TMO?


Because I'm actually a pleasant, loving person?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi to Vaj

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Share Long wrote:

 If the Tao is really the Tao, how could it possibly ALWAYS be  
 barred to the sentimental?


Because the sentimental cling to preferences...otherwise they  
wouldn't be sentimental...


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:41 AM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:30 AM, sparaig wrote:

  You misunderstand the essence of TM. THere is absolutely no
  *mandate* to return to the mantra. You only return to the mantra
  ***IF*** you notice that you are not thinking it.

 I believe this is a fundamental misunderstanding of TM practice -  
and

 part and parcel of the 'institutionalization of effortlessness',
 which is really an inculcated fear of balanced attention.


Sigh, teach your own technique to your friends, and not try to  
analyze TM, thanks for playing.


I'm merely being a realist: if you're lost in distraction (i.e.  
vyutthAna, the outward stroke) then you're not transcending. If  
you're not transcending, then you're meditation is not transcendental.


Therefore, you should not call it Transcendental Meditation.

How 'bout Lawson's Transcendental Meditation? Outward Stroke  
Meditation? ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi to Vaj

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Share Long wrote:

 But that sounds like sentimentality is more powerful than Tao!


Perhaps charm is in the eyes of the beholder?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:47 PM, turquoiseb wrote:


How 'bout going all Thoreau on its ass and calling it
what it really is -- daydreaming. Simplify, simplify,
simplify.



OK. How 'bout Obsessive Compulsive Daydreaming?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:55 PM, sparaig wrote:


The point of TM isn't to transcend.

THe point of TM is to transcend and then to NOT-transcend.

Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding.



So then why are you emphasizing the NOT-transcend part? If you're  
lost in distraction, you're missing half of your own equation!


I would venture to guess the reason that it was never called  
Transcendental and Not Transcendental Meditation was because the  
latter part of your equation happens automatically but is then  
repaired (by the properly practicing TMer), no?


I can also see from your description that you've probably not been  
very successful with TM.


The actual point of TM is to transcend ALL THE TIME - and thereby  
develop the alleged higher states of consciousness. If the purpose  
of TM was actually to transcend and NOT transcend, one could never  
reach to desired end, Cosmic Consciousness! In your model the state  
never becomes a stage.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj


On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:56 PM, sparaig wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:


 On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:47 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

  How 'bout going all Thoreau on its ass and calling it
  what it really is -- daydreaming. Simplify, simplify,
  simplify.


 OK. How 'bout Obsessive Compulsive Daydreaming?


ANd that's OK too.


No, that's OK for you. It's not OK for anyone that wants to dye the  
cloth

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Share Long wrote:

 At some point, lost in distraction does NOT equal not  
 transcending.  My experience.



Mine too...and Patanjali as well!




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote
 
 Jul 18, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Robin Carlsen wrote:
 
 Robin1: Here's the problem with your analysis, Vaj: If one were to read what 
 Share Long has posted, then my post in response to her post, a person would 
 form a certain portrait of this man—in the abstract, then. But presumably 
 with some faint feeling of what this guy must have been like to know in 
 person.
 
 But if a person were to form their idea of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi from your 
 comments, *they would come away with an impression or idea of Maharishi which 
 would not even begin to account for the influence he had, nor the context 
 within which that video was created*.
 
 Your 'truth' about Maharishi tends to reflect back upon you more than it 
 leads the disinterested and impartial reader to the reality of Maharishi.
 
 Do you understand how I could form this judgment of your post, Vaj?

Just as that high school hockey or football player still reminisces on those 
golden days of yore, I could easily see how someone so strongly resonating with 
their past would tend to see the world still through those old daze. It merely 
conveys to me that there was no intervening time since then, in your life, that 
shone brighter. Your time in the movement (and shortly thereafter) was your “15 
minutes of fame”. So like that football trophy on a dusty shelf, you’re still 
seeing seeing the world through through those same old cold trophies.

 
 Vaj1: I can, I just don't find it very convincing. I believe it's hard for 
 you to let go of parts of our own history they you hold 'near and dear' to 
 you. That's actually the function of the ego: to draw things towards one that 
 enhances it, and to push away ones that do not. The tao is easy for those 
 with no preferences, but always barred to the sentimental. I just think 
 you're overly sentimental. And I do understand it's hard for some people to 
 let go of their past.
 
 Robin2: Let me tell you, dearest Vaj: You can't f***ing let go of ANYTHING! 
 Even your entire stance here is locked up, sclerotic, and painfully 
 bloodless. Who in the world could ever let go of their past”?

An Advaita Vedantin? An AA member?

 Such an absurd and terminally naive statement. You can't do a damn thing to 
 change yourself, Vaj: you are as programmed as anyone who posts on FFL. Where 
 is the movement, the fluidity, the generosity, the music in your first-person 
 ontology here? This is a disembodied response, Vaj. How does a person throw 
 around ideas like this entirely oblivious to how ironically that person is, 
 by how they present themselves, refuting those same ideas in their 
 articulation? Awesome, Vaj. Just awesome. You gotta make that heart move a 
 little sometimes.
 
 Robin1: Now, if you choose to respond to me, don't prove my thesis by drawing 
 attention to yourself (your first person ontology) rather than, as you 
 should, to this controverted issue of the truth about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
 
 I believe I hold within myself a critical stance towards Maharishi—in one 
 very important way—which is more powerful and meaningful in its negative 
 construal of this man than in anything you have ever said about him.
 
 But I also have to be true to my *experience*—and the experiences of 
 thousands of others.

Which thousands were those?

 
 Vaj1: And millions of Elvis fans...:-)
 
 Robin2: My *experiences* of doing TM and surrendering to Maharishi produced, 
 Vaj—Are you ready for this?—a total change in my physiology, my brain, my 
 heart, and my consciousness—I became a person whose actions did not originate 
 in my own free will.

And what third person ontological evidence is there that it changed your 
physiology, your brain, etc.? Haven’t you at least thought through these these 
knee-jerk SCI-isms Robin? Do you realize how much this sounds like psychosis at 
worst or spirit possession at best?

 And had you really been there in Washington, DC—or had I not been submitted 
 to the Catholic Church—if you had ever jousted with me you would know what 
 Maharishi created inside of me. He recreated me.

I realize you felt that way and acted that way. It was a very dramatic and a 
good act. You always were a good actor.

 Talk to someone who really knew me in those ten years, Vaj. It wasn't 
 screaming to Hound Dog, it was experiencing, knowing, and acting inside a 
 *different form of consciousness*, a style of functioning which verified 
 every single word of Maharishi's *The Science of Being and The Art of 
 Living*. You gotta take this fact in, there Vaj baby: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
 he made Robin enlightened—and not one person in ten years came anywhere near 
 to being able to challenge this fact, much less disprove it.

You might want to re-examine this Robin. When people simply stop coming to see 
you, that meant no challenge was necessary, as it was most likely already 
painfully obvious

Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad, the last season

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:26 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

 Speaking as a fan, and as someone who has watched 
 the series get better and better, culminating in
 what will be taught in university classes of the
 future as The Perfect Season Of Television last
 year, I didn't know what to expect with the new
 season. 
 
 I know I'm a little behind the curve here, because
 all of the other fans of the series got to see this
 new episode on Sunday, but I've been moving, and 
 didn't get my copy until today. 
 
 So how could they possibly follow up The Perfect 
 Season Of Television? 
 
 Easy. Start with the first episode of what looks 
 like it will be The Even More Perfect Season Of 
 Television. 

It’s been a good summer season. Both BB and True Blood just really have some 
damn good writing. And acting.

I have to say though, Weeds might as well go on network television next to all 
the other predictable, formulaic sitcoms.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:55 PM, wgm4u wrote:

  And he's been told this by several (I've lost count, it's
  somewhere between five and eight) TM teachers and former
  TM teachers, right here on FFL.
 
 Where's the checking notes when you need them, like Duh! Isn't it there in 
 black and white?


Oh gawd, only two logical fallacies in one sentence - I remember when editors 
really knew how to edit.

If there was a paragraph I’d expect at least a couple of burning strawmen! Heck 
if Judy wants to one-up ole Curtis, she should hire her self out to freshman 
logic classes for her Platonic fallacies alone! She could always get herself a 
cheap tablet in case human-human interaction was required...

What anyone, who stands outside of TM for a while will understand Billy is that 
in the “rest-activity” spiel, only one thing is being added. And the mind 
already has activity (thoughts). So therefore the only thing being added is 
(alleged) transcendence. So therefore the goal of TM is, ipso facto, to 
transcend. The more you transcend, the better - the less you transcend, 
well..return to the mantra (rinse, repeat as necessary).

The manas cogitates quite well on it’s own thank you!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:36 PM, cardemaister wrote:

  How 'bout Lawson's Transcendental Meditation? Outward Stroke 
  Meditation? ;-)
 
 
 Perhaps I misunderstand what you're trying to say, but
 that sounds as stupid as claiming that if you're not
 all the time during the night in deep sleep, you're not sleeping!?


Lawson believes that being caught in thoughts - even for hours (days?) at a 
time, lost in the outward stroke is still considered “doing TM”. He’s 
rationalized that even quitting TM is in effect just being on the outward 
stroke, and eventually picking it up again, is just the other half of this 
magical cycle that is The Miracle of starting TM. 

Of course, in response to me saying “doing TM”, Lawson would be automatically 
be required to respond “you can’t “do” TM, the doing in TM is not doing”. He 
might even throw in the eff.. word.

Nitya-samadhi, as mentioned in MMY’s commentary on a third of the gita is what 
I refer to. Temporary samadhi becomes perpetual samadhi. It starts out as a 
small gap, and the more it’s experienced, the more it spreads. So, therefore, 
more transcendence is a good thing. More outward strokiness? Not berry gut.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad, the last season

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

 I'm still waiting to see if Continuum gets a US distribution or goes 
 to NF or Amazon streaming. 


I’ve not been able to find this anywhere - and I’ve cancelled Netflix, so 
that’s no longer an option. Directv just lost like 20 some odd channels, so 
this is where one of those big obnoxious looking dishes would come in handy...



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for those who still love and or thank Maharishi

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj

On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Robin Carlsen wrote:

 I have stormed the barricades, looked the devil in the eye, ransacked my 
 life, cried in plaintive tones to the universe, and for the life of me, I 
 find there is no answer to your thoroughly comprehensive put-down and 
 demolishment of my post. I now know what Kingsley felt when Newman humiliated 
 him. There really is nothing to say in refutation of what you have laid 
 before me here, Vaj. Imagine yourself in my predicament: how would you feel? 
 You obviously never considered my feelings or my reputation when you decided 
 to go in for the kill. 


I always thought a good “dark night of soul” book might be your next best move. 
Get writing kiddo. Even if you have to tap into Brahman like for The Discovery 
of Grace, hey I doubt the Big Guy would mind, ya know? Let your little 
heretical Catholic soul go girl go! The Centering Prayer people would just eat 
dat up. After sixth months of Prozac, it’ll be all book tours. A guru that 
tours malls should just be the ticket for the 65+ set I’d think (I’d request a 
private bathroom though, really).



[FairfieldLife] Canadians richer because of socialism

2012-07-18 Thread Vaj
According to this, Canada's growing wealth isn't due to the tar sands, nor to 
industriousness, but to hard-headed socialism which allowed banks and housing 
market to stay stable and help weather the financial crisis. Now and then the 
Canadian media sounds warnings that the economy is about to crash, but hasn't 
happened so far. Maybe  the lack of Teapots here has something to do with it. 

Teapottery seems to be an exclusively American meme.


Canadians, on Average, Now Richer Than Americans
By Elizabeth Hewitt | Posted Tuesday, July 17, 2012, at 12:12 PM ET

Economic times here in America are pretty tough, but things aren’t so shabby 
for our neighbors to the north.
Over the past five years, the net worth of the average Canadian has crept up, 
overtaking the average American’s wealth for the first time. These days, 
Canadian households are about $40,000 richer than American ones.

The figures from Environics Analytics WealthScapes, first published in 
Toronto’s Globe and Mail last month, place the net value of the typical 
Canadian household at $363,202 versus $319,970 below the border. And, writer 
Michael Adams points out, these are not 60-cent-dollars, but Canadian dollars 
more or less at par with the U.S. greenback.”

Not only are Canadians richer, Bloomberg View columnist Stephen Marche reported 
on Sunday, they're also more likely to have a job. According to the latest 
figures, Canada’s unemployment rate continues to sink down to 7.2 percent while 
the U.S. has held steady at 8.2 percent.

What's behind the economic success of the Great White North? It’s not 
necessarily that Canadians are more industrious and thrifty than their 
neighbors to the south. The 2008 economic crisis wreaked havoc on the U.S. 
housing market, sending real estate values plunging. So, Canadians’ houses are 
worth about $140,000 more than Americans. Canadians also own about twice as 
much real estate as Americans, and have fewer mortgages.

On a national level, assets like the Alberta tar sands certainly help, but, 
Marche proposes, it was a policy of hard-headed socialism that allowed the 
banks and the housing market to stay stable and weather the global economic 
crisis.
A sign of America’s failing system? Perhaps, Marche muses. Iceland, considering 
abandoning its current currency the krona, has taken note of Canada’s recent 
success and set its sights on the loonie.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/07/17/canadians_wealthier_than_americans_average_canadian_household_is_40_000_wealthier_than_in_the_u_s_.html?from=rss/wpisrc=newsletter_slatest



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-16 Thread Vaj


On Jul 15, 2012, at 2:16 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:


in this case it is just a visual he created himself.



Actually it was created in an independent review created by the  
University of Alberta, so it's not biased like the links you provide,  
it just an unbiased review of the evidence.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-16 Thread Vaj


On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:04 AM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:

my links all include references to research published in reputable  
scientific journals, yours led to webpage with spreadsheet that  
said created by Vaj, anyone interested in this should also see  
message 314502



It's not a spreadsheet I'm afraid - it's a chart from:

Meditation Practices for Health: State of the Research
Prepared for:
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
540 Gaither Road
Rockville, MD 20850
www.ahrq.gov
Contract No. 290-02-0023
Prepared by:
University of Alberta Evidence-based Practice Center
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Investigators:
Maria B. Ospina, B.Sc., M.Sc.
Kenneth Bond, B.Ed., M.A.
Mohammad Karkhaneh, M.D.
Lisa Tjosvold, B.A., M.L.I.S.
Ben Vandermeer, M.Sc.
Yuanyuan Liang, Ph.D.
Liza Bialy, B.Sc.
Nicola Hooton, B.Sc., M.P.H.
Nina Buscemi, Ph.D.
Donna M. Dryden, Ph.D.
Terry P. Klassen, M.D., M.Sc., F.R.C.P.C.

It used to be on the Wikipedia page for Transcendental Meditation,  
but was removed by TM advocates.


Apparently the only people who had a problem with it was the TM  
associates from the Univ. Of Kentucky (yes Kentucky actually has a  
university!) tried to muddy the water with their own review. 

[FairfieldLife] Mind and Life XXIV

2012-07-15 Thread Vaj
Mind and Life XXIV: An Insider View By David Vago, Ph.D.
I woke up the morning of April 24, 2012 thinking, “There will not be many days 
like this in my life. I will be giving a talk to His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, 
along with five of my Contemplative Science colleagues and friends.” My heart 
fills with joy and gratitude when I think about the opportunity.

The six of us represented hundreds of young investigators, like ourselves, all 
inspired by the Dalai Lama. The meeting was particularly significant because, 
after 25 years of dialogue with His Holiness, it was the first time 
junior-level investigators were given the opportunity to share their research 
with him. We represent a new generation of scientists who are willing to 
examine some of the more difficult and even taboo aspects of deep contemplative 
transformation. As such, we are right in the center of an emerging paradigm 
shift for science. All aspects of basic and clinical science and society are 
now infused with mindfulness. Mindfulness represents more than its literal 
definition. It represents the paradigm shift towards investigating the mind 
from the first-person perspective—the new introspection. It is the key to the 
door of consciousness for all scientists to explore and the public to embrace 
for mental health.

His Holiness’ Feedback
The six of us were chosen to represent the Francisco J. Varela Awards program, 
the primary catalyst for seeding the field with young scientists investigating 
contemplative practice. Each of us brought something unique to the table from 
all across the globe. The room was filled with board members and guests 
surrounding us like proud parents and transmitting their wisdom. His Holiness 
was very attentive and present with each one of us as we took turns presenting 
our most relevant research in the short amount of time allotted. Although 
brief, the conference was a humbling honor.

One by one, we filled our 20 minutes completely, summarizing our findings in 
only a few slides, and the feedback from His Holiness was invaluable. To each 
of us, he provided some sense of recognition and appeared to place high 
importance on the work we all are doing. I kept thinking that if His Holiness 
thought my models of Mindfulness are “quite good,” I should be able to provide 
my reviewers with that reference! He ended our time together with a lasting set 
of strongly emphasized remarks that none of us will be able to dismiss. With a 
firm finger he pointed to each one of us and led the charge like a football 
coach before the big game. He said that each one of us is responsible for 
reducing suffering in this world. We must continue doing rigorous research for 
the benefit of the world. I guess we know what we’ll be doing for the next 35 
years! Truly inspiring.

Mind and Life XXIV presenters:
Thorsten Barnhofer, Ph.D., Institute of Psychiatry, King’s College, London (on 
effect of mind training on depression); 
thorsten.barnho...@psych.ox.ac.uk

Willoughby Britton, Ph.D., Brown University Medical School (on the nature and 
phenomenology of meditation-related difficulties); 
willoughby_brit...@brown.edu

Norman Farb, Ph.D., Rothman Research Institute, Philodelphia (on distinct brain 
systems supporting conscious experience); 
nor...@aclab.ca

Baljinder Sahdra, Ph.D., University of Western Sydney, Australia (on effect of 
nonattachment); 
b.sah...@uws.edu.au

David Vago, Ph.D., Harvard Medical School/Brigham  Women’s Hospital (Process 
models for specific meditative practices that cultivate mindfulness); 
dv...@partners.org

Helen Weng, M.S., University of Wisconsin, Madison (on the effects of 
compassion meditation on the brain and altruistic behavior); 
hw...@wisc.edu

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM's biggest problem?

2012-07-15 Thread Vaj

On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:38 AM, cardemaister wrote:

 An âyurvedic technician told me that surprisingly many
 TMers, like myself, have high blood pressure.
 
 The obvious reason is that many people here in Finland,
 and probably many other countries also, started doing
 TM in the hopes of being able to reduce their BP medication,
 and stuff.
 
 I don't believe TM helps a lot if ones hypertension is
 due to being genetically predisposed to it. I feel like
 some component of my BP regulation system (which, I believe
 is quite complicated) is especially weak, because my BP is like a yo-yo: it 
 seems to skyrocket for almost no reason at all!
 
 I think Maharishi hoped that TM would make healthy people
 more healthy, but the problem seems to be that people who
 feel themselves to be healthy usually might not have any
 interest in meditation?!


In an independent systematic review of BP and different meditative and 
body-based interventions, Transcendental Meditation was the worst intervention 
for lowering BP. Since TM mantras are imbalanced they tend to increase pitta 
and vata, thus they will tend to increase BP (from an Ayurvedic perspective):

https://www.box.com/shared/yqhm9ex6b0

The only intervention that was worse has “health education”. Progressive Muscle 
Relaxation (PMR) was about the same as Transcendental Meditation.

The best interventions are hatha yoga and Tai Chi.

1. Tai Chi

2. Yoga + biofeedback

3. Qi gong

4. Mindfulness based cognitive therapy

5. Biofeedback

6. Yoga

7. Relaxation Response

8. Buddhist Meditation

9. Rest/relaxation

10. Mantra meditation

11. Transcendental Meditation

Current science supports the use of CoQ-10, Fish Oil and Vitamin D for lowering 
BP without the use of meds.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves

2012-07-14 Thread Vaj

On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:00 AM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:
 
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related
 
 
 Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the 
 consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves 
 and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. 
 
 To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my 
 fingers back in shape.
 
 Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar 
 and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg
 
 and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds 
 infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia 
 casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from 
 both student and teacher...
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q
 
 No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first 
 screening to be taught by Segovia.


I’ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there’s no way in hell 
this is the maestro. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pirate Amrit?

2012-07-14 Thread Vaj

On Jul 14, 2012, at 8:29 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
 
  From what I understand, in India, you can slap a label on 
  anything as long as 10% of it is what the label says it is.
  
  I wouldn't trust black market stuff of any kind coming out 
  of India.
 
 Haven't you just described TM?


ROFLOL! Only Amrit Kalash doesn’t usually have as many side effects...just 
sayin’... :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves

2012-07-14 Thread Vaj

On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
 
 
  I�ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there�s no way in 
  hell this is the maestro.
 
 
 When I was stationed in England, Segovia was giving a concert in a little 
 church a few dozen miles from where I lived. I paid the highest price for the 
 tickets (13 pounds) and sat in the front row with my knees pressed against 
 the stairs leading to the minister's podium. I literally could have raised my 
 hand and touched his as he mounted the stairs. I sat about 5-6 feet from him 
 for 2 hours.
 
 I even accidentally got to shake his hand after the concert and babble thank 
 you over and over. He finally caught my eye and nodded and I let go.
 
 It was one of the biggest nights of my life as, at that time, I was playing 
 guitar every moment I could, even while at work on the weekend shift when I 
 was the only computer operator on duty.

I’d always seen him at the Philadelphia Academy of Music, which is like the 
Carnegie Hall of Philly - impeccable acoustics.

[FairfieldLife] Assange’s Last Stand?

2012-07-08 Thread Vaj
Assange’s Last Stand?
They may get him, but he'll go down in history as a hero

by Justin Raimondo, July 06, 2012
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If there was ever a clear cut case of good versus evil, then surely it is the 
contest between Julian Assange and most of the world’s governments. They hate 
him because he exposed their lies, their manipulations, and their routine 
violations of the most elementary rules of human decency. By publishing 
virtually the entire corpus of messages sent to and fro between Mordor 
Washington and their Nazgûl diplomats in the field, WikiLeaks has given us the 
true history of the world in modern times, or, at least, a good glimpse into 
its secret underside historians rarely uncover.

The release of the “Collateral Murder” video showing the shooting of 
journalists and innocents in Iraq by our cackling wise-cracking US military 
pilots was arguably the tipping point in the public relations battle, after 
which support for continued prosecution of the war even among the political 
elites dropped precipitously and never recovered. It was the 21st century 
equivalent of the infamous photo of a napalmed Vietnamese children running down 
a road, an icon of another unpopular and utterly immoral war. That’s why 
Bradley Manning, who probably supplied the video to WikiLeaks, has been held 
incommunicado for over a year, subjected to treatment theUN defines as torture. 
He will never get a fair trial in the US.

The US government would dearly love to get its hands on Assange: rumor has it a 
secret grand jury indictment has already been handed down. And they’ve devised 
a transparently brazen maneuver, which reeks of covert activities, in order to 
to get him: accusations of rape have been made by two Swedish “feminists,” at 
least one of which — a former Swedish consular official in Havana — has ties to 
Cuban dissidents with CIA connections. I told their story here, here, and here, 
and won’t go into the rather gruesome details of the “case” against Assange, 
except to note that the narrative his accusers are spinning reads like 
something out of a very bad spy thriller, the kind with a sleazy cover and a 
lurid title. In short, just the sort of thing some overpaid CIA bureaucrat — 
the kind who’s writing a novel in his spare time — might come up with.

Once the Swedes get their politically-correct hands on Assange, and subject him 
to a show “trial,” he’ll be extradited forthwith to the US, where his lawyers 
claim he’s likely to be locked up in Guantanamo. Assange has wisely chosen not 
to surrender to British authorities — who have been a key cog in the frame-up 
machine all along — and has taken refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy, seeking 
political asylum in that country.

Ecuador is already being threatened with all sorts of retaliation by US 
governmentinsiders and their patsies, and the pressure is on: if Correa grants 
Assange asylum, expect the Ecuadorian President to be routinely likened to Hugo 
Chavez, who no doubt has more than one US covert operation aimed at 
destabilizing his rule, althoughcancer may get him before Washington does. With 
Chavez about to go, the War Party will need a quick LAV (Latin American 
Villain) replacement, and Correa — who wasinterviewed by Assange in his last 
broadcast for “Russia Today” — fits the bill.

Granting the asylum request would be a purely symbolic gesture, and a futile 
one, as President Correa doubtless knows. Ecuador’s London embassy is surely 
the last stop in Assange’s nomadic wanderings: I for one predict he’ll never 
get off British soil. The moment he leaves the embassy and tries to board a 
plane he’ll be apprehended and hauled off to Sweden, and — after the “legal” 
preliminaries — promptly remanded to US custody. The US and its allies care 
nothing for diplomatic amenities, legal norms, or international law: they’ll 
brush the Ecuadorians aside so rudely and brazenly it’ll make Rafael Correa’s 
head spin.

After all, as Assange and WikiLeaks have revealed, these are the same people 
who wantonly executed Iraqi children by shooting them in the head, unleashed a 
killing squad in Afghanistan, and spied on UN diplomats on orders from Hillary 
Clinton. They are hardly above muscling the Ecuadorians aside and simply 
seizing him.

The legal and military firepower of three Western powers, the editorial boards 
of practically every major Western newspaper, all the big-time opinionators and 
would-be opinion “leaders” — a mighty assemblage is arrayed against this one 
man and his tiny under-funded organization. His very existence is a “security 
threat” to their corrupt and secretive regimes, and there was no way he was 
going to escape his fate. I think he knew that before he undertook his quest — 
and a quest it is, for knowledge, for real history, for redemption through 
technology. These causes are inextricably bound up with his personal fate, and 
the public response to it.

At this point, it would take someone like Ragnar 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ayurvedic View of Marijuana

2012-07-07 Thread Vaj
Only in the land of duh Ved.

On Jul 7, 2012, at 2:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
 
  http://mapi.com/blog/the-ayurvedic-view-of-marijuana/ 
 
 Just for fun, I Googled images for the marijuana view of
 ayurveda. This is what came up at the top of my result
 set. No shit. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ayurvedic View of Marijuana

2012-07-07 Thread Vaj

On Jul 7, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Emily Reyn wrote:

 That article on the Israeli strain is the right idea.  I think that the 
 medical marijuana industry should pursue the strain that doesn't get one high 
 and prescribe it.  Most people with chronic pain aren't interested in getting 
 high - they are interested in pain relief and increased functionality in 
 the real world so they can hold a job, etc.  

http://projectcbd.org/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2012-07-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

   I LOVE yogic flying
  
 Vajradhatu:
  You should read the Rig Vedic hymns of avatsAra...
 
 There probably are no 'avatars' mentioned in the Rig 
 Veda - avatars such as Vishnu, Krishna, and Ramchandra 

avatsAra you dim wit - not an avatAra.

Sometimes ’a little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ Willy...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2012-07-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:36 PM, cardemaister wrote:

 Well, avatsâra seems to be a RSi, or somesuch, mentioned
 in the 5th maNDala of Rgveda, I think 44, 10...


No. RV IX.60.1-4 was what I was thinking of.

“Oh sing a song,a song of praise
To the clear and swiftly flowing
Drop of crystal with a thousand eyes.”\

It is you with a thousand eyes,
It is you with a thousand ways
That they purified with the sieve.

Swiftly ran the drop of crystal
Steaming through the sieve and rushing into the jars,
Finding it’s way to the heart of the senses.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2012-07-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:44 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote:
 
  
  Interesting post; there was an interesting story CLutes used to tell that 
  Guru Dev was the 'Guru of Gurus', and that he had all of the spiritual 
  techniques extant, and Gurus came to him for advice, and of course the 
  implication was that MMY got TM directly from the Guru Dev and it's the 
  highest teaching on the planet (according to Charlie).
  
  I used to believe this, but have since balked at the idea, though clearly 
  TM (and the TM mantras) are invaluable tools for unfolding higher 
  consciousness though maybe not the best. I know this because I, myself have 
  experienced glimpses of higher consciousness and on-going peace of mind and 
  centeredness due to TM.
 
 Benjamin Creme has an interesting system in which he, with the help from his 
 Master, places the stage of evolution of a deceased soul on a scale from 0,1 
 to 7,0. In his books you will find hundreds of POE (point of evolution) or 
 state of consciousness, of many historic people, artists, politicians, 
 revolutionaries, poets, inventors, rockstars, composers, yogis and so on. 
 
 The highest point of evolution has, needless to say, Maitreya with a POE of 
 7,0. Though not deceased he represents the highest evolution possible at this 
 time in history, on this planet. 
 
 The next person on this scale is Brahmananda Saraswathi with a POE of 6,0 at 
 the time of leaving the body. This POE is the highest of the Masters of 
 Wisdom, except that of Maitreya, and makes him the most senior in the 
 Hierarchy of the masters supporting the evolution of mankind, many of whom 
 are now in incarnation, including the Master Jesus, to assist Maitreya in the 
 task of bringing mankind into the New Age of Enlightenment. 
 
 Benjamin Creme, not being a TM'er (he has developed a system called 
 Transmission Meditation) obviously has no personal interest in placing Guru 
 Dev on this highest level of evolution.
 
 It seems Charlie Lutes and Mr. Creme are quite ageeing on the status and 
 influence of Brahmananda Saraswathi.
 
 Question. What will Maitreya's initial task be? 
 
 Benjamin Creme: In the first place, he will be concerned with inspiring 
 humanity to create the conditions in which world peace can be guaranteed. He 
 will show that this requires, above all, the acceptance of the principle of 
 sharing. This will insure a harmonizing of the imbalance caused today by the 
 tremendous discrepancies in the living standards of the developed and the 
 developing nations. His immediate proposal will be to launch a crash 
 programme of aid to save the starving millions in the Third World. Then, over 
 the next few years, the restructuring of society along more just lines will 
 gradually form the basis for a new civilization. He will inspire humanity to 
 create the new world. His initial task is really one of reconstruction. 
 
 Q. What is the essence of his teaching for the new age?
 
 BC: His teaching will be released in phases, each phase being relevant to the 
 needs of humanity at each stage over the next 2,350 years or so. In the first 
 place, we will find that he will lay the emphasis on the oneness of humanity, 
 on the fact of the human soul, and on the need for sharing and right 
 relationships. He will teach, again, the Law of Cause and Effect and its 
 relation to the Law of Rebirth, showing the need for harmlessness in all 
 relationships. When these ideas have permeated society and brought about the 
 changes in our political, economic and social structures, he will set about 
 the inauguration of the new world religion, bringing together the approaches 
 to God of the East and the West, God immanent and God transcendent. He will 
 teach the Mysteries of the Path of Initiation, the scientific path to God. 
 Initiation will be central to the new world religion. Above all, he will 
 reveal a new aspect of God. This is the New Revelation which he brings. 


LOL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2012-07-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

 Don't worry Vaj, Maitreya's plan for the upliftment of humanity also includes 
 Buddhist's :-)


You idiot - Maitreya IS the “Buddha-to-come”, presumably in the west (as he’s 
depicted seated, in western habit). Yogis of the kalachakra-tantra preserve 
that lines succession of kings. 

I seriously doubt Mr. Creme really knows anything about it, despite all his 
oracular babblings my dear Nabby...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2012-07-01 Thread Vaj

On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:59 PM, cardemaister wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
 
  
  On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:36 PM, cardemaister wrote:
  
   Well, avatsâra seems to be a RSi, or somesuch, mentioned
   in the 5th maNDala of Rgveda, I think 44, 10...
  
  
  No. RV IX.60.1-4 was what I was thinking of.
  
  Oh sing a song,a song of praise
  To the clear and swiftly flowing
  Drop of crystal with a thousand eyes.\
  
  It is you with a thousand eyes,
  It is you with a thousand ways
  That they purified with the sieve.
  
  Swiftly ran the drop of crystal
  Steaming through the sieve and rushing into the jars,
  Finding it's way to the heart of the senses.
 
 
 Respect! kâshyapo 'vatsâra (kâshyapaH; avatsâraH) really
 is the RSi of that sûkta! :o
 
 http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/rk_veda/rk_ved_m9.pdf


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