Re: [FairfieldLife] Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 

 As for God, that too may simply be a word that ancients came up with to 
describe a certain kind of neurological experience. I find that a fascinating 
possibility for research as the ability to measure such becomes better.

I agree, although I don't see science ever being able to measure all of what 
subjectively registers as spiritual experience. I do believe that much of it, 
however, will be found to be due to neurological brain farts -- neither 
higher or lower, neither good nor bad, and certainly not due to any 
experience of or intervention by a God. 
 

 Good God, no. God forbid.
 

 

 I think the growth of wisdom is a desirable thing, and something that takes 
place over a lifetime.  I would call it the growth of spirituality.  There may 
be instances of flash, or maybe not.
 

 I really don't have a problem putting such experiences in the good column, 
and rating that higher than a life spent with no self reflection.
 

 YMMV
 

   

 
 

 

 







































Re: [FairfieldLife] Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/8/2014 6:55 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 It also contains the word spiritual which pertains to spirit and thus for many 
has to do with God.
 
 My point, Share, is that the term spiritual doesn't *have* to have anything 
to do with God. 
 Now this is really funny! The word spiritual doesn't have anything to do with 
the spirit. What language are you writng in, Turq? This must be word-game, 
mind-game. Go figure.
 
 Definition of the word spiritual:
 
 1. spiritual - adjective, from Middle English and Anglo-French and Late Latin; 
espirital; spiritual, from Late Latin spiritualis, from Latin, of breathing, of 
wind, from spiritus.
 
 1. a transcendent dimension within human experience.
 
 2. of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena. 
 
 3. of or relating to a person's spirit.
 
 4. of or relating to religion or religious beliefs.
 

 Bawee likes to create his own reality, his own meanings and definitions - 
especially if he thinks his made-up-Bawee-world slant on things makes him look 
like the independent thinker. Of course, all he is showing us is how narrow and 
cemented he is in his hard-held beliefs. We won't let him know this though, it 
will be our secret. I just hate to see a grown man cry when they realize the 
truth.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 

 As for God, that too may simply be a word that ancients came up with to 
describe a certain kind of neurological experience. I find that a fascinating 
possibility for research as the ability to measure such becomes better.

I agree, although I don't see science ever being able to measure all of what 
subjectively registers as spiritual experience. I do believe that much of it, 
however, will be found to be due to neurological brain farts -- neither 
higher or lower, neither good nor bad, and certainly not due to any 
experience of or intervention by a God. 
 

 S: I think the growth of wisdom is a desirable thing, and something that takes 
place over a lifetime. 

C: I like this connection of wisdom with aging because for me, most of what I 
thought I could get through meditation just came with growing up and then 
older. I am not sure how long a list of things I would consider as wisdom 
would be. I might sum it up with knowing which battles to pick and which to 
ignore, and not expecting people to act differently than they do. I might throw 
in learning that you really can't tell a book by its cover with people, so you 
have to give someone a shot to show up as their best selves. But if they don't 
the next time it is on me, not them cuz people suck at changing even when they 
want to.

I have learned that the older I get the older the people I need to give a break 
for being young gets. Right now I am up to kids in their 30's power zone. I 
appreciate that they are feeling their oats a bit and feel so much smarter than 
they were in their 20's that they believe they are wise now. Full of piss and 
vinegar! They cannot know what they don't know yet. I suspect people in their 
80's view me this way which cracks me up.

I don't know if I could connect any of these revelations with any meditation. I 
believe that meditation can slow you down a bit so you might notice these 
things, but any connection between a state of mind from meditation and what I 
would consider wisdom seem like a stretch. It is such a basic assumptions in 
spiritual traditions that this connections exists. For me it all happens in the 
experiences of being humbled through living that has had the biggest effect on 
me giving my fellow man a break for acting according to their nature. After a 
decades of pissing into the wind you learn to turn around first. Saves on the 
dry cleaning bills.
 

 Curtis, I may be wrong and I may be presumptuous in saying so but my sense, in 
reading your recent posts, is that in the last year - maybe through the 
experiences with your aging father, maybe not - that you have learned some very 
useful and revelatory things about life and about yourself. I can relate to 
much of what you say in this post, especially your last paragraph.



 I would call it the growth of spirituality.  There may be instances of 
flash, or maybe not.
 

 I really don't have a problem putting such experiences in the good column, 
and rating that higher than a life spent with no self reflection.
 

 YMMV
 

   

 
 

 

 









































Re: [FairfieldLife] Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/8/2014 8:49 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 

 As for God, that too may simply be a word that ancients came up with to 
describe a certain kind of neurological experience. I find that a fascinating 
possibility for research as the ability to measure such becomes better.
 
 I agree, although I don't see science ever being able to measure all of what 
subjectively registers as spiritual experience. I do believe that much of it, 
however, will be found to be due to neurological brain farts -- neither 
higher or lower, neither good nor bad, and certainly not due to any 
experience of or intervention by a God. 
 
 
 Good God, no. God forbid.






 
 OMG! Are you thinking Barry has had no spiritual experiences? 
 
 Barry probably sets a very high bar for that kind of thing, since he said Rama 
was just another guy that could do cool things with light. For most normal 
people, witnessing someone levitate off the desert floor and then instantly 
appear up on top of a nearby mountain, would sure qualify as some kind of 
supernatural event!
 
 Go figure. 
 Ah, super natural perhaps. But having anything to do with this upstart, 
smart alecky punk called God? NEVER!
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Curtis, I may be wrong and I may be presumptuous in saying so but my sense, in 
reading your recent posts, is that in the last year - maybe through the 
experiences with your aging father, maybe not - that you have learned some very 
useful and revelatory things about life and about yourself. I can relate to 
much of what you say in this post, especially your last paragraph.


C: I appreciate the feel of your post Ann. The crushing confrontation with not 
only mortality, but the ungraceful way in which are capacities diminish before 
death has been going on for years with my Dad. Although each year sucks more, 
I'm not sure this is a cause for anything you are noticing in my writing.
 

 I'm not sure either but having witnessed the slow degradation and ultimate 
death of both of my parents to cancer as well as having lost (not lost really, 
she drowned) my older sister at far too young an age (for her and for me) back 
in 1986 I know how impending slow death and shocking sudden cessation of life 
can really peel back some layers. The rawness and unrelenting emotions 
associated with both types of experiences changes one. I changed for the better 
because what gets peeled back is the outer facade of who we like to think we 
are or, at least, present ourselves as. And underneath all of that is a 
rawness, a bloodiness that starts to become the real thing. Maybe what I'm 
sensing in some of your posts is some aspect of this rawness and what comes out 
is something almost tentative and open. 

I would hope that each year brings me a batch of revelatory things about my 
life and hope the same for you. I've been doing more classroom gigs where I get 
deeper into poor kid's lives this last year.  Confronting the reality of how 
little I can do in the face of their environment at home has certainly added a 
few more wrinkles of concern on my face and caused me to ruminate about some of 
the things I said in my post. These kids hate school vacations, imagine that! 
Less food, more chaos, fewer encouraging words at home, so what is good about 
Spring break? I grew up loving the freedom of any break from school, so it is a 
real wake up call about how different my life is with that background.
 

 Fascinating. I had not thought of how that could possibly be, to dread home 
life - the loss of a kind of order and sanity that most likely can not exist 
amidst poverty or addiction or need. 

So I'm not sure if what you are seeing is just another side of me that is 
coming out in what I choose to write about lately, or something different in 
me, but your paying any attention to that detail is kind in itself and thanks 
for that. 
 

 It is how you are saying things and what you are writing, both, that I 
noticed. Some of it just seems softer, more tentative. But I don't want to get 
all gushy and embarrass you so let's just say I see something different and it 
seems good. Some sort of edge seems missing in your posts and it becomes you.

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 

 As for God, that too may simply be a word that ancients came up with to 
describe a certain kind of neurological experience. I find that a fascinating 
possibility for research as the ability to measure such becomes better.

I agree, although I don't see science ever being able to measure all of what 
subjectively registers as spiritual experience. I do believe that much of it, 
however, will be found to be due to neurological brain farts -- neither 
higher or lower, neither good nor bad, and certainly not due to any 
experience of or intervention by a God. 
 

 S: I think the growth of wisdom is a desirable thing, and something that takes 
place over a lifetime. 

C: I like this connection of wisdom with aging because for me, most of what I 
thought I could get through meditation just came with growing up and then 
older. I am not sure how long a list of things I would consider as wisdom 
would be. I might sum it up with knowing which battles to pick and which to 
ignore, and not expecting people to act differently than they do. I might throw 
in learning that you really can't tell a book by its cover with people, so you 
have to give someone a shot to show up as their best selves. But if they don't 
the next time it is on me, not them cuz people suck at changing even when they 
want to.

I have learned that the older I get the older the people I need to give a break 
for being young gets. Right now I am up to kids in their 30's power zone. I 
appreciate that they are feeling their oats a bit and feel so much smarter than 
they were in their 20's that they believe they are wise now. Full of piss and 
vinegar

[FairfieldLife] Re: speaking of reincarnation...

2014-05-08 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 
 Some good quips by you, lately -- I like quips!
 

 I know, right?! Steve seems like a new man to me lately. Keep it up Steve and 
welcome back cheesie. I'm just a little hurt you didn't use the handle Kraft 
Dinner.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Welcome Back!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 'doctor dumbass' has expired (frowny face) ...and been reborn (hallelujah!) --
 

 I am living in a mobile home park, in Chico, sussing out the town, for a 
possible move -- hence my new nom de plume, 'fleetwood_macncheese', which has 
nothing to do with the band, and more to do with my brand -- 'fleetwood' is the 
motor-home type (like 'ford' or 'chevy'), and 'macncheese' speaks for itself - 
lol.
  
 The S(T)F(U) Bay Area was making me crazy, so after my wife and I visited here 
earlier this year, I decided to check it out, longer-term, and actually live 
here for several months, and if we like it, move here for good. Real estate is 
a third or less, what it is around SF, and I can drive from one end of town to 
the other, in ten minutes -- probably will get a bike. 
 

 Went hiking yesterday in a huge city park (1900 acres), and took my first 
picture of a coyote, and some spectacular scenery - some links:
 

 the gorge
 https://app.box.com/s/9xgutxe6e71sjo1asr53 
https://app.box.com/s/9xgutxe6e71sjo1asr53

 

 rock and tree
 https://app.box.com/s/qum5s09mi2j70kgsvept 
https://app.box.com/s/qum5s09mi2j70kgsvept

 

 panorama
 https://app.box.com/s/d81ryrppz1fyml4ttyzp 
https://app.box.com/s/d81ryrppz1fyml4ttyzp

 

 lava field
 https://app.box.com/s/89oaxs7xoxzm50dwik1a 
https://app.box.com/s/89oaxs7xoxzm50dwik1a

 

 early canyon sun
 https://app.box.com/s/oyr1781pkcwc9hskei51 
https://app.box.com/s/oyr1781pkcwc9hskei51

 

 coyote
 https://app.box.com/s/cbcw1rbvry3xcdfkgytf 
https://app.box.com/s/cbcw1rbvry3xcdfkgytf

 

 Also, in keeping with the latest controversy on FFL, 'God', or a divine 
intelligence, infinitely greater than myself, recently led me, to the *best* 
cheeseburger in town, no kidding --
 

 Driving back after my hike, I was hungry, so I turned into the first 
nondescript, non-chain, place I saw, 'Big Chico Burger' - I walked in, and they 
asked me what I wanted, and I said, I'm looking for the best cheeseburger, in 
Chico - turns out they serve American kobe beef from a local ranch, 
char-broiled, on an artisanal bun from a local bakery, with fries and a drink, 
for FIVE BUCKS (!). Hey. c'mon you atheists, if this ain't proof of The Big 
Guy, I don't know what is -- Blew me away, and they are close by. Surrounded by 
farms and with a large college population, there is a serious foodie vibe in 
this town.
 

 So, I have a patch of grass, jacks down, slide out, a quiet day, and the 
neighbors are friendly. 
 Cheers, from Chico :-)
 

 









Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

2014-05-07 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 The part that's difficult for me to understand, Lawson, is how you could 
possibly CARE so much about whether the technique of meditation you once 
learned wins and is proven best in scientific studies. Could it possibly be 
that you were brainwashed for years by being told that by MMY and his TM 
teachers that it *was* the best, and now feel as much of a compulsion to 
prove it as they did?
 

 And why do you need to believe that anyone who believes anything (if indeed 
Lawson believes what you think he believes) is brainwashed? Who brainwashed 
you into believing that anyone who believes anything is brainwashed? Is a 
cultist? You might want to put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Try to imagine someone spending as much time as you spend promoting TM and 
proselytizing its supposed benefits for something they had once bought, like, 
say, a car. It would be pretty weird to see someone that evangelistic about a 
Ford, or a Chevy, seemingly driven to prove it the best and spending hours 
every week trying to do so, right?
 

 Lawson is far less a proselytizer than you are. Your soap box is bigger and 
higher than anyones when it comes to lecturing and berating and taking a 
holier-than-thou stance.

You did notice that the only therapy/treatment to be rated A and I (thus the 
best) is something that Maharishi once decried as terrible and a waste of 
breath, and thus life, right? He used to pooh-pooh and discourage any kind of 
aerobic exercise until students at MIU started failing standardized fitness 
tests. Interesting that dynamic aerobic exercise kicks his technique's butt in 
this study. 
 

 Not interesting at all. For a guy who purportedly spends his exciting days 
rehashing medical articles I would have thought you would know that exercise is 
about the best natural lowerer of BP there is. No surprise there. Domash seemed 
to realize the benefits of aerobics early on, he married a rather attractive 
instructor back in the 80's.
 

 
 
  







 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

2014-05-07 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Certainly, wanting  to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day 
for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes 
twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). 

 But...
 

 Think about it:
 

 if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be 
reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in 
some sense, people need to know that too.
 

 Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are 
overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least 
somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect 
consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no 
other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE.
 

 While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same 
or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't 
even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after 
people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start 
learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as 
even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a 
fraction of the time.
 

 I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable 
enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice 
really is worth what the research suggests it is worth.
 

 If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly 
find the truth, period.
 

 And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has 
such benefits is very interesting. 
 

 

 I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard 
engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself.
 

 

 The flipside, of course, is why you care?
 

 I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear 
to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it.
 

 What changed?
 

 

 L
 

 Gee Bawee, Lawson sounds so much more balanced and reasonable in this post 
than you did in what he is responding to. What could this mean? Maybe you 
aren't all you think you are, maybe you have no idea what kind of a 
narrow-minded, chest thumping hypocrite you appear to be. You are trying to put 
us all on on purpose, right?
 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 The part that's difficult for me to understand, Lawson, is how you could 
possibly CARE so much about whether the technique of meditation you once 
learned wins and is proven best in scientific studies. Could it possibly be 
that you were brainwashed for years by being told that by MMY and his TM 
teachers that it *was* the best, and now feel as much of a compulsion to 
prove it as they did?

Try to imagine someone spending as much time as you spend promoting TM and 
proselytizing its supposed benefits for something they had once bought, like, 
say, a car. It would be pretty weird to see someone that evangelistic about a 
Ford, or a Chevy, seemingly driven to prove it the best and spending hours 
every week trying to do so, right?

You did notice that the only therapy/treatment to be rated A and I (thus the 
best) is something that Maharishi once decried as terrible and a waste of 
breath, and thus life, right? He used to pooh-pooh and discourage any kind of 
aerobic exercise until students at MIU started failing standardized fitness 
tests. Interesting that dynamic aerobic exercise kicks his technique's butt in 
this study. 
 

 
 

  







 


 















[FairfieldLife] Re: Downright humility-inspiring

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 For those who feel the need to post every so often about how important TMers 
are, or how important the butt-bouncers of Fairfield are, or even how important 
to the universe human beings on planet Earth are, here's a graphic to put 
things into somewhat more accurate perspective. It's a visualization of every 
human being on the planet -- all 7.2 billion of us -- piled up in the Grand 
Canyon. The video below the photo explains things -- literally -- a bit more...

 

 Thank God many other elements on this Earth and the Earth itself makes 
humanity look so insignificant. However, in the way we influence this poor 
planet and each other is not insignificant if you consider we all live in a 
fish bowl.
 

 
 

 How Many Things Are There? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6eOcd06kdk

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6eOcd06kdk
 
 How Many Things Are There? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6eOcd06kdk

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Wise President Putin

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater


Re: [FairfieldLife] Wise President Putin

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/5/2014 10:54 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 On 5/5/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
  Perhaps you ought to read up of glyphosates.
 
 It's just that most folks around here don't think it's important to take 
 up arms to oppose the use of Roundup in gardens. Go figure.
 

 We can hardly find Roundup any more in Victoria. It has been pretty much 
banned at the strength you used to be able to buy it. My husband, because he is 
a lawn fanatic, loves the stuff. I forbid him to use it and luckily he has a 
hard time getting his hands on it. But like any addict, he usually finds some 
source - in this case another woman who owns a sheep farm and can get the 
industrial strength stuff. 
 
 It's probably not going to kill you, Ann, unless you eat the grass or use your 
lawn as a table. Roundup works pretty good on sidewalks and driveways to kill 
unsightly weeds, but I wouldn't drink the stuff. The exhaust fumes from your 
car on the way to the feed store might be a greater hazard to your health.  
Funny you should say that. My animal's vet said to my husband once that after 
Roundup was used and dried or was absorbed by the plant it became pretty much 
non toxic to animals even if they were to eat that plant. I don't buy it but he 
must have been reading some Monsanto literature. Some people around here have 
cesspools in the ground because they don't have access to city waste facilities 
and they have wells to get drinking water. You put the cesspools and the water 
wells too close together and then spray Roundup all over, you're bound to get 
some bad effects!  Our land doesn't perk so we had to put in a water treatment 
plant up in the woods at the top of our property. These little plants usually 
cost in the range of $25K to install but it does ensure no leakage onto the 
property. The ironic thing is, every so often they still have to come and pump 
it out like a septic tank and then they promptly go and throw it into the 
Strait of Juan de Fuca off the end of the Peninsula here on Vancouver Island. 
This city still has no waste treatment plant other than the ocean. Nice, eh? 
The justification for this is that Victoria's population has poop that doesn't 
stink.  Some city people have to drink tap water from a recycling plant. Or, 
they buy Ozarka bottled water by the case. I wonder what happens to all those 
plastic bottles?  Somewhere I read that most bottled water is really tap water. 
Go figure. Idiots who feel like they might die of dehydration unless they're 
clutching a bottle of water all day is some strange behavioural abnormality 
that has arisen within the last 10 years. I refuse to drink that much water and 
certainly don't buy bottled water. Between holding on for dear life to their 
cell phones and balancing a bottle of water in the other hand no one can even 
scratch a mosquito bite without dropping one or the other.
 
 These days though, it's the monkeys flying out of my butt that I worry about. 
They are all going down the toilet along with the crap - I wonder what that 
does to the ground water used for drinking or growing food?  I have always 
wondered if those monkeys looked like the ones in the Wizard of Oz. Do they? 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Downright humility-inspiring

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/6/2014 7:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 
 Historically, those humans throughout history who have most vocally called 
themselves spiritual or religious have also been the ones who perpetrated 
most of the wars and instances of genocide You can call yourself anything you 
want but that doesn't make it so. Every single person who perpetuates a 
transgression on another human being has an excuse for doing so. Often those 
excuses take the form of following some greater decree from somewhere outside 
of themselves. Religion or spirituality is not to blame - it is how these 
crazy beings we call humans choose to exploit these things that is part of the 
problem. Mass destruction of other human beings comes from an illness, from 
disease of the mind, spirit and most likely the body as well. And I dare say 
these diseased tyrants, in the end, had a rather significant effect on those 
who came under their tyranny. It's all relative, Bawee. 
 Were Genghis Khan, Stalin, Hitler, Mao or Pol Pot religious people? According 
to the history I've read, most of the wars and instances of genocide were 
perpetrated by people with a political ideology. Go figure.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Downright humility-inspiring

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq, here's some banana nostalgia and practical info too. Enjoy!
Chiquita Banana The Original Commercial 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDOI24RRAE 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDOI24RRAE
 
 Chiquita Banana The Original Commercial 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFDOI24RRAE

 
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 What an amazing bit of propoganda. I loved it. I wonder if those rather 
stuffy-looking members of the board in that cartoon ate her at the end.
 









 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

2014-05-06 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks 
who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! 
Also I encourage those who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging 
those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. 
 
 So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change his mind, and one 
meditator who had been regular for more than 40 years to cease and desist - he 
now does Christian prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu 
devotional practice that people claim is the secular practice of TM. So not so 
much volume yet, but each experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. 
 
 So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop doing TMSP and just 
hang out on the farm in nature more and join me in getting people to quit TM 
and TMSP - its a mighty fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to 
how I am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to get that Hindu 
devotional practice started in any schools in South Carolina. Y Haa! 
 

 Easy MJ, you don't want to send Buck into a apoplectic fit.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

2014-05-05 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual 
opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get free 
from the Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy liberated was 
people's money from their bank accounts to his!
 

 I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting him 
with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers of 
people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been enlightened 
(if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and he may have had 
sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half the adult 
population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your imagination 
appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, restful, 
expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an opportunity for 
a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, personal foibles. To let 
his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest 
of your adult life is giving him influence over you that is probably not for 
the best. I also understand that you were 'abused' by other asshats in the 
Movement but MMY is not responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put 
blame where blame is due.
 
 And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg 
repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-05 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/5/2014 8:18 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote:

 Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs. 
 
 Listen Grandma, I always felt all these years, that Barry is 
 the only person who is rude, cantankerous, to pull people 
 into argument loops.
 
 You seem to be guilty of the same.
 
 Everytime I try to reach out to you and connect, you make me 
 feel like a piglet.
 
 As Xeno pointed out, your style of arguing is a bit 
 polemical and sophistic.  
 
 All that I did is differentiate the position of classial 
 theism from the position of semitic religions.





 
 Well, I guess that settles it then - The Corrector told you to butt out, 
Jason. You're not welcome on this forum, The Judge has spoken. Now get the hell 
out of here and don't butt in anymore. This is a discussion for Curtis about 
Sam Harris, it's not about you or your opinions. It's all about Curtis and Judy 
and Barry. So, just butt out!
 
 Where is Masked Zebra when we need him? 
 I guess he doesn't realize we need him.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

2014-05-05 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :

 
 

MJ, quite a few people including Ann seem to have gotten 
over it.

Although I have never been directly involved in any org 
(officially), I have been in the periphery of many cults and 
religious organisations (including the TM-org).I have 
had a ringside view of the entire phenomena, though my 
interactions with all of them were unofficial.

It's not easy to get these abusers out of the mind, but the 
world is a much bigger place.  If Barry, Curtis, Salyawin, 
and even Ann could pick themselves up and move on, so can 
you.
 

 Wha...? Even me? LOL


   --- mjackson74@... wrote :

 
   Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual 
   opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get 
   free from the Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy 
   liberated was people's money from their bank accounts to his!

 --- awoelflebater@... wrote :


 
 
  I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting 
  him with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers 
  of people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been 
  enlightened (if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and 
  he may have had sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half 
  the adult population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your 
  imagination appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, 
  restful, expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an 
  opportunity for a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, 
  personal foibles. To let his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 
  'scientific' assertions ruin the rest of your adult life is giving him 
  influence over you that is probably not for the best. I also understand that 
  you were 'abused' by other asshats in the Movement but MMY is not 
  responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put blame where blame is 
  due.

 
   And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and 
  Edg repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
How bout some article on Marshy' sexual escapades? 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Wise President Putin

2014-05-05 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/5/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
  Perhaps you ought to read up of glyphosates.
 
 It's just that most folks around here don't think it's important to take 
 up arms to oppose the use of Roundup in gardens. Go figure.
 

 We can hardly find Roundup any more in Victoria. It has been pretty much 
banned at the strength you used to be able to buy it. My husband, because he is 
a lawn fanatic, loves the stuff. I forbid him to use it and luckily he has a 
hard time getting his hands on it. But like any addict, he usually finds some 
source - in this case another woman who owns a sheep farm and can get the 
industrial strength stuff. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-05 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/5/2014 10:07 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Where is Masked Zebra when we need him? 
 I guess he doesn't realize we need him. 
 You mean, he's not reading this forum? Go figure. 
 I guess he has a life.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 The evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the actual wars 
that exist all over the globe, the murders and rapes that take place in the 
heart of the Movement in Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting 
himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop, and many other 
suicides and attempted suicide in the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of 
children and use of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on. 
 
 As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world are screwed up, 
but they are not completely stupid. If this so-called technology worked, the 
people of the world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have also 
said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY mandated that every 
citizen above the age of 12 practice TMSP in groups because that would make the 
country invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have not, 
because it does not. This slavish adherence to an obviously false idea does no 
one any good. 
 

 And as I have said, anyone with a smattering of common sense or who has lived 
and breathed and walked on this Earth for longer than 6 months would realize 
and understand that no matter how loudly or vehemently someone might proclaim 
from the very rooftops, something like the Maharishi Effect couldn't possibly 
exist. The only thing that could cause the cessation of all wars and strife on 
this planet would be for all life to cease to exist. Where there are human 
beings there are problems - there is unrest and there is greed, fear and 
jealousy. No amount of meditation or eating Rocky Road ice cream or canoeing is 
going to change that, no matter who tells you it will. 
 

 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, 
such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in 
the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both 
administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring 
attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. 
 

 That's because we are talking about human beings here. What did you think, 
because people meditate that they stop being human in some way? People are 
flawed, are weak, are full of all sorts of negative tendencies and traits. 
What magic potion did you think existed that could change that, fundamentally? 
Obviously I am missing the idealism gene because I never understood TM to be 
some airy fairy panacea that would eliminate the basic characteristics that 
single us out as humans - the need to be more powerful, better and privileged 
than the next guy (I'm exaggerating here. Most people would just be happy with 
a slightly bigger helping of Rocky Road ice cream.) Consequently, I was never 
surprised when assholes remained assholes and nice guys stayed nice, no matter 
how much they had been meditating or cavorting around the vicinity of MMY.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise President Putin

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Ok Michael, you wanted proof, there you have it!  The ME in spades.  I did 
meditate twice this week, and I think that may have pushed us over the edge. 

 And hey, I am not discounting, for a second, not for a second, the beneficial 
effect of Shikantaza meditation, which of course is a Japanese translation of a 
Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the
 Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated
with the Soto school.

Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is
the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in
Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It
emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors,
or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream
of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without
interference.
 

 No, I am giving equal credit to both.
 

 Does this call for a Pappy's Van Winkle for celebration?
 

 I had to look that up!
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 

 It’s Official – Russia Completely Bans GMOs 

 thank you President Putin and Prime Minister Medvedev. Jai Maharishi! Jai Raja 
Fagan! Jai Maharaja! Jai Guru Deva! 



  





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One last set of thoughts for Curtis

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 To demean points of view he disagrees with is high on Barry's list of personal 
values. 

 Er, I mean, preferences...
 

 Compulsions.
 

 

 

 Rhetorical question. No need to reply. I was just amused that neither you nor 
Share can conceive of having a preference without the presence of some kind of 
hierarchy. I would suggest that this is pretty limited thinking. But if it 
makes you unhappy, stick with it.  :-)
 

 Comment requiring no response:
 

 What I find odd, is that the person who just a day ago complained about 
someone coming in and spoiling a pleasant conversation is doing the same thing 
here.
 

 The only purpose of this last paragraph is to try to demean someone elses 
point of view.  
 

 At least, that's the way I see it.  Sorta like you can't disagree without a 
gratuitous personal dig.
















 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are so funny sometimes! I have to admit, I never thought of it before, but 
eating ice cream will have as much effect on world peace as doing TMSP in the 
Domes. So how do you account for the fact that Buck, Nabby, Sri, and a lot of 
the folks in the Domes believes the Marshy Effect is real?
 

 They carry that idealism gene that I lack - and evidently get enough Rocky 
Road to keep them from coveting their neighbors'. As I recall FF had a Baskin 
and Robbins that I frequented often, maybe that explains some of it. I have a 
terrible picture I am prepared to share with you taken at that very place back 
in the mid to late 70's. I don't remember what flavor it was, unfortunately but 
it must have been in the Rocky Road flavor category. (I would only post this 
photo for you MJ.)
 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Uncle Tantra Tour Of Amsterdam

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
Yesterday was really fun. I got to be the tour guide on a person's first 
walking tour of Amsterdam. I have a certain affinity for that city, having 
first gone there to teach meditation for free during the Rama days, and having 
had a great time doing it. I even wrote a few of the stories in Road Trip Mind 
about my experiences there. 

I don't -- or didn't, until yesterday -- know the lady I was showing around 
town very well. She had studied briefly with the Rama guy, so was interested in 
my stories of hanging with him there, but she was primarily my best friend's 
friend, and I didn't know her very well. 

But it was like platonic kismet. We had tremendous fun, laughed a LOT, shared 
stories about experiences we had had and power places we had visited, sat in 
cafes, and just wandered around soaking up the vibe of the place. The best 
moment of the day, for me, will not mean much to anyone who has never been to 
Amsterdam, or who has never learned the joys of surfing dimensions. 

That was what we used to do in the desert with Rama, walk between worlds, 
from one dimension that was powerful and had its own distinct vibe or flavor, 
and then BAM! you're in another one -- so different that the change is 
palpable, and stops you in your tracks. 

That's what Amsterdam has always been like for me. It's as if the different 
neighborhoods have different enough vibes that I could tell you which one I was 
in if you had led me there blindfolded. (I even tested this once, and 
succeeded.) You walk across a bridge, and the reality on the other side of the 
bridge is so palpably different than the one you just emerged from that it 
stops you in your tracks. 

I didn't tell my tour guest this. We just wandered. But crossing one of the 
most palpable borderlines between dimensions there in Amsterdam, she just 
stopped what she was saying in mid-sentence, stopped in her tracks, and said, 
Did you feel THAT? 

Made my day. Then I explained my theory of Amsterdam as a multi-dimensional 
place of power to her, she nodded in agreement, and we had fun the rest of the 
day walking around and feeling the different dimensional shifts as we passed 
from reality to reality. Mucho fun. 

It's one thing to have a slightly paranormal experience yourself, and be 
comfortable enough at having had it that you can assume that it is at least on 
one level real. But it's nice to have someone have the exact same experience, 
and at the exact same border crossings, without any prompting from me. Makes 
me think I'm saner than some here like to portray me. Or not. Whatever. 

Anyway, for those on this forum who seem to delight in thinking up weirdly 
perverse theories of What Turq/Barry/Uncle Tantra does for fun, this is the 
reality. Probably tamer than what you imagined, n'est-ce pas?
 

 I don't know, sounds a little weird to me that you guys were surfing all 
over Amsterdam without a board or waves. As far as tame goes, it appears to 
be your middle name. Now feeling the different dimensional shifts as we passed 
from reality to reality sounds like some cheesy lyrics from some 60's song. 
Still, the important question: Did you hear any bicycle bells in your 
multi-dimensional wanderings? Did you see Rama? 



 






[FairfieldLife] Re: One for those few who can admit to having been Deadheads...

2014-05-04 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 And Barry, of course, is Oh-So-Superior to us poor benighted less-than-human 
losers who missed it. 

 No hierarchy there, nope nope nope.
 

 He must be superior - he can walk through Amsterdam and visit 
multi-dimensional reality after reality and take his female visitor with him. 
The rest of us poor shmucks have to do mundane things like visit the 
Rijksmuseum, take a canal tour or wander along the Prinsengracht. As far as the 
Grateful Dead are concerned I chose to miss it, as I have written about before 
here. No loss there. My only question is: What songs has Bawee written and 
will we remember them after he is dead?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 ...or human.
 

 These are a few moments of one of the unsung heroes of the Grateful Dead 
finally being recognized for what he brought to their mystique. If you weren't 
ever there, don't even bother to read further...you won't get it, because you 
missed it entirely. For those of you who were, hopefully this should serve as a 
reminder of what one person who devotes himself to his art can actually *do* 
with his life. Will anyone remember *your* songs when you're dead? If the 
answer is No, the fault is only yours. 

 

 If you ever understood the Grateful Dead, you will understand the feeling 
behind this awards presentation. If you never did, well what do you matter?  :-)
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDw5LFiwoK4 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDw5LFiwoK4
 

 If you can't last through the full nine minutes, chances are you missed the 
entire period of time this presentation celebrates, and will have missed it for 
all time. Your loss, OH so literally. 

 

 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-03 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since 
you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around 
as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at 
it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about 
what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders 
are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused 
under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted 
to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - 
he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal 
critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you 
feel afterwards.
 

 I still say if you have hundreds of thousands of people doing something there 
are bound to be those who end up murdering people, dying, committing or 
attempting to commit suicide, winning the lottery or publishing a book. It has 
to do with statistics and probability. To try and pin mental illness or 
psychiatric breakdown primarily on the fact that someone rounded or started TM 
is a bit iffy. I've talked about this before with regard to those who go 
overboard on something. Do they go overboard (join Mother Divine, round 
non-stop for 6 months etc.) because they are obsessive or unbalanced to begin 
with or do they become unbalanced because they do too much of one thing? I am 
pretty sure if someone were to practice little old TM twice a day for 20 mins 
and ended up going stark ravers, they were bonkers to begin with.
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis

2014-05-03 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 I'm going to be in Amsterdam today 
 You're going to Amsterdam with a visiting lady friend instead of dialoging 
with Curtis in DC? Go figure.
 

 Bawee is very proud of the fact that it is a ladeee that is visiting him. This 
must be a big deal otherwise he wouldn't have made the distinction between a 
friend and a female friend who was comin' a knocking at his door. We will all 
hope that he has a wonderful time showing her Amsterdam and introducing her to 
some real Dutch beer after which they will stroll the canals, marvel at the 
various facades on those whimsical Dutch town houses. The many musical bells 
rung by the hundreds of bicyclists will charm her as he waxes eloquently about 
the history of Ann Frank's house. All in all it will be a marvelous visit no 
doubt. 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-03 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 well, I feel a compulsion to comment on things that I think are skewed.  plus, 
and really, I don't mean to burst  your bubble, so, I will try to whisper it, 
but you invited me to follow up on something you posted!
 

 This is making me laugh. For whatever reason, Steve, I'm diggin' your posts of 
late.
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Rules the Earth

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 A true find. Truly mind-boggling to consider that adult human beings actually 
thought that this was an effective sales presentation. How brainwashed do you 
have to be to think like that?
 

 Trust me Bawwy, no one on the planet considered or considers this little ditty 
either effective or well done. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's worth a 
pinch of coon shit.
 

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 1:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Rules the Earth
 
 
   This is especially for the Turq! You are gonna f***in' love this
 

 When I saw it I just said Goddamn!
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N82D5lDaaQU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N82D5lDaaQU
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N82D5lDaaQU
 
 Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N82D5lDaaQU

 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N82D5lDaaQU
 Preview by Yahoo
 

  


 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 In that last part he was referring to me because I have stated here on FFL 
that I practice chi gung, which has nothing to do with religion, nor kung fu 
for that matter, except that some martial arts practitioners use chi gung to 
increase their chi for their martial arts practice. Richard is just a guy who 
likes to disparage anyone that is not a rabid TM fan, frothing at the mouth in 
bliss over every little thing Marshy and the TMO ever did and said. 
 

 Richard does what Bawwy does, repeats himself endlessy. The difference is that 
Ricky doesn't take himself seriously, in fact, he's laughing a himself while he 
does this. Bawwy, on the other hand, thinks he's shocking and disturbing people 
with is deep insights and renegade individuality.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You know, I had never thought of it that way, but the Big M really DID shape 
our beliefs not only about the world around us and about ourselves but about TM 
itself which was a core aspect of his selling TM and its adjunct programs to 
everyone. Thank you for the insight Curtis. 
 

 Anyone selling anything that we buy has done this MJ. You yourself have said 
time over time what a shyster, huckster and shill MMY was.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Sorta like the way you're trying to barge into a pleasant conversation that 
doesn't concern you and trying to turn it into an argument of some kind? What a 
pathetic old hag you are, Judy. 

 

 And what a phenomenal lack of imagination you have, Bawee.
 

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   Right. You just regularly barge into such discussions, announcing that there 
is no God and that anyone who believes there is is worse than a fool.
 

 

 Although I fully understand that some people get off on debating the existence 
of God and things like that, *nothing bores me more* these days, and thus I 
find that I rarely go there.



























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Judy, I doubt that Curtis thinks of you as a previous poster! Want to guess 
again?
 

 I think it was more that Robin was hoping Curtis might call Barry on some of 
his abusive bullshit when it had something to do with Robin. But this was 
before my time here so I am conjecturing based on having read some old posts 
just previous to my showing up here.
 

 On Friday, May 2, 2014 8:20 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be 
a seriously misleading way of putting it. Verging on deceptive, in fact. 
 

 

 A previous poster was also a big fan of trying to hold me accountable for 
Barry's perspective.  What is with you guys? Can't keep yer eye on the ball in 
a discussion? You got a case of the Rama tourettes Richard or some wicked 
Barry-centric ADD. Either way take that shit up with him if you want. We can do 
better than run that tape loop together here can't we? I am only sleeping in 
the bed I make for myself here. 








 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Bullshit. fuller stages of development is just another hierarchy. Brains 
functioning in an optimally healthy way is another hierarchy. Both are mere 
assumptions.
 

 I think Share might have pushed Bawee's belly button.

 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 4:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   turq, I agree with you about the use of hierarchy. But what about using the 
concept of fuller stages of development wrt humans? This might even be 
measurable scientifically. What others have called Self just might be a label 
for the situation in which most of the brain functioning in an optimally 
healthy way.
 

 On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:23 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   From: curtisdeltablues@... curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 3:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   R: 
According to Harris, by paying close attention to moment-to-moment 
 conscious experience, it is possible to make our sense of self vanish 
 and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being.
 
 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason'
 by SamHarris
 W.W. Norton  Company, 2004
 p. 214

C: Excellent quote find Richard! 

What I believe distinguishes him from the Maharishi perspective is that he does 
not identify the silent aspect of the mind with a higher Self. This also 
corresponds with my own experience of using TM without the belief system. I 
cannot say that what I used to consider  my Self, is the most important aspect 
of my identity. That move is an intellectual one supported by the belief system 
and triggered by the mahavakyas in Maharishi's system. Without that presumption 
it appears as just another aspect of a multifaceted identity cluster which may 
or may not be all illusion. I am fascinated by exploring this without the usual 
assumptions from the Vedic perspective.

 

 Excellent point, Curtis. One of the things I reject about almost all forms of 
spirituality I've encountered is that they're stuck in hierarchical thinking. 
One's sense of self is lower than one's sense of Self. They build their 
whole philosophies around their assumption that the universe is hierarchical in 
nature. I honestly don't believe it is. I think it's relational. (For me to 
explain this, I'd have to trot out my rap about hierarchical vs. relational 
databases, and I doubt anyone wants to read through that again.) 

 

 I'm a hard social scientist when it comes to which comes first -- the 
experience one is trying to interpret or find meaning in, or the belief system 
one uses to interpret it. IMO the belief system always comes first. It colors 
anything you experience. So if he's got suggestions for how one can avoid that 
trap, I'd love to hear them.
 

 Love your phrase just another aspect of a multifaceted identity cluster which 
may or may not be all illusion. That's it. What TMers and New Agers call 
Self is Just Another Experience. Not higher, not lower, and possibly not even 
happening at all. :-) 

 

 Just sitting and noticing. 
 

 Another good phrase.
 

Thanks for digging that up.  



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 On 5/1/2014 3:26 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
  Any tips or insights, especially since you have a TM history and might 
  know the issues TMers might have would be welcome. 
 
 According to Harris, by paying close attention to moment-to-moment 
 conscious experience, it is possible to make our sense of self vanish 
 and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being.
 
 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason'
 by SamHarris
 W.W. Norton  Company, 2004
 p. 214
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   I'd like to know how Curtis does this dive deep for samadhi meditation, I 
have been doing some shikantaza meditation, but I just get vibbed with the 
bliss I feel after a little while and then get up and go do something else. The 
bliss starts after about one minute so its like, ok I'm here now WTF do I do? 
Bliss gets tiresome after a while I find. Any guidance on that Curtis?
 

 I'm not Curtis, but I'll comment. I consider bliss almost as overrated and 
overvalued as relying on subjective experience as one's standard for what 
constitutes truth or reality or providing value. 

 

 In many spiritual traditions bliss is considered a TRAP, an illusory state 
that many people never get past. In occult terms, its energy is associated with 
the lower astral planes. Many traditions seek to transcend bliss and get to 
something more interesting. 

 

 I guess they don't call them 'BLISS NINNIES'  for nothing.















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 And right on cue, the two Robin cultists try to bring him up to derail yet 
another pleasant discussion. 
 

 I have yet to experience anything about you, Bawee, that is pleasant. Don't 
kid yourself.

 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Judy, I doubt that Curtis thinks of you as a previous poster! Want to guess 
again?
 

 I think it was more that Robin was hoping Curtis might call Barry on some of 
his abusive bullshit when it had something to do with Robin. But this was 
before my time here so I am conjecturing based on having read some old posts 
just previous to my showing up here.
 

 On Friday, May 2, 2014 8:20 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be 
a seriously misleading way of putting it. Verging on deceptive, in fact. 
 

 

 A previous poster was also a big fan of trying to hold me accountable for 
Barry's perspective.  What is with you guys? Can't keep yer eye on the ball in 
a discussion? You got a case of the Rama tourettes Richard or some wicked 
Barry-centric ADD. Either way take that shit up with him if you want. We can do 
better than run that tape loop together here can't we? I am only sleeping in 
the bed I make for myself here. 








 


























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 6:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM 
Movement:
 
 
   so how d'ya transcend bliss?
 

 Stop regarding it as something to either value, or hold onto. 
 

 Without those value judgments, what does it actually DO for you? Or, and 
possibly more important, for people around you?

 

 Ninnies.
 

 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... curtisdeltablues@...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about *whether* we have 
free will or not so BORING to me. They're completely unproductive -- a point 
that can never be proven one way or another. It's as silly as trying to debate 
the existence of God. Total waste of time.

C: I don't doubt that it isn't interesting to you, so it would be a waste of 
your time. But in a broader sense the inquiry into where our free will starts 
and ends is highly useful in neuroscience. To measure brain activity that 
precedes our subjective experience of choice tells us a lot about how our brain 
communicates with itself. 

Not seeking to argue but just to understand, what would be the conceivable 
*value* of learning that you had no fuckin' free will?  I'll wait.  :-)  :-)  
:-)

C: It changes a lot of things in how we understand what it means to be human. 
We think of ourselves as such volitional beings, but it my be that this is an 
illusion created by lagtime in our brains. The obvious next step, since in my 
life volitional choice would be of immense value, would be to ask how this 
mechanism works and how can we hack it to make personal changes we want. Our 
species is famous for acting against our own best self interest and 
understanding what we can control and what we can't could help us both explain 
and modify this human delemma. My approach to how I make changes in my own life 
has already been altered by even a cursory understanding of how my self 
perception is at variance to the measurable reality. I am a bit more 
understanding with myself and approach change as a rally rather than a command. 
It also breeds compassion about other people's failings. 

I'm not sure even you could convince Bawee of this but I enjoyed reading this. 
It's not that I necessarily agree but I love the spirit of you actually having 
disagreed with him. One's own two feet are good for standing on.
 
 

  














 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Comments below...
 

 

 From a sociological POV this question has vast implications, and always has, 
in how we approach society's sense of justice in our legal system. It wasn't 
long ago that we hanged an elephant for killing a man. Today we have people on 
death row who were not mentally able to make a choice, so this topic is very up 
as we learn more about the brain and how it creates sociopaths. I believe that 
this information may lead to a more just humane society where we don't sentence 
people with a wink wink to getting raped in prison for their choice to commit 
a crime. 
 
I guess I'm not that idealistic. I think there are people out there in the 
world who read the news reports about Oklahoma's recent botched execution and 
felt GOOD that the prisoner suffered. I don't see them altering these views in 
any way as a result of some kind of science trying to convince them that 
there is no free will.
 

 Probably not, but on the other hand such people are most likely a small 
minority, not nearly enough for their view to determine how society treats 
criminals. The outrage over that execution was worldwide.
 
From a personal POV I find the question insightful as I attempt to approach 
making personal changes in my life. In my experience, self improvement of any 
kind is like herding cats. 

I certainly can't disagree with that. One of the things about FFL that amuses 
me the most is the proliferation of people who claim to believe that God does 
everything and that there is no free will, but somehow *them* having decided 
to learn TM and continue doing it makes them special.  :-)
 

 Aside from the fact that a proliferation of people is Barry's fantasy, many 
of us just feel exceedingly lucky to have stumbled across TM and taken a flyer 
on it. The feeling special part, in the sense of taking credit for oneself, 
is also Barry's fantasy. But in any case, those who believe God does 
everything might well feel special--i.e., blessed--because God led them to 
TM.
 

 First of all there are no proliferation of even posters at FFL. The cocktail 
party here consists of about 10 people. Of those 10 people about half of them 
still practice TM, an indeterminate amount of them believe in God and as far as 
I can tell no one feels particularly special. Maybe Bawee has his forums 
mixed up.
 

 

 













 



[FairfieldLife] Dog Day Afternoon

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Alfred, Lord Tennyson's mantra

2014-05-01 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Victorian poet Tennyson seems to have stumbled upon TM before MMY took out the 
copyright on the name. Take this quote of his:
 

 A kind of walking trance I have frequently had, quite up from boyhood, when I 
have been all alone. This has often come upon me through repeating my own name 
to myself silently till, all at once, as it were, out of the intensity of the 
consciousness of individuality, the individuality itself seemed to dissolve and 
fade away into boundless being; and this not a confused state, but the clearest 
of the clearest, the surest of the surest, the weirdest of the weirdest, 
utterly beyond words, where death was an almost laughable impossibility, the 
loss of personality (if so it were) seeming no extinction, but the only true 
life.
 

 I love that line: where death was an almost laughable impossibility.
 

 Here's a (clearly autobiographical) passage from Ancient Sage . . . 
 

 And more, my son! for more than once when I
Sat all alone, revolving in myself
The word that is the symbol of myself,
The mortal limit of the Self was loosed,
And past into the Nameless, as a cloud
Melts into heaven. I touch'd my limbs, the limbs
Were strange, not mine--and yet no shade of doubt,
But utter clearness, and thro' loss of Self
The gain of such large life as match'd with ours
Were Sun to spark--unshadowable in words,
Themselves but shadows of a shadow-world.

 

 
  And here's another quote to show how vitally important the experience was to 
him:
 

 Yes, it is true there are moments when the flesh is nothing to me, when I 
feel and know the flesh to be the vision, God and the spiritual—the only real 
and true. Depend upon it, the spiritual is the real; it belongs to one more 
than the hand and the foot. You may tell me that my hand and my foot are only 
imaginary symbols of my existence. I could believe you, but you never, never 
can convince me that the I is not an eternal reality, and that the spiritual is 
not the true and real part of me.
 

 I wonder what his mantra was: 
 The word that is the symbol of myself and Repeating my own name to myself 
silently.
 

 Did he repeat Alf or Alfie or what? AaalPh sounds like it 
would make an acceptable mantra! We need some clever chap to create a universal 
mantra program on the Web. You type in the syllables and the program lets you 
know what effect the vibrations would have on your nervous system.
 

 

 Nice post. This was fascinating. I love the idea of repeating your own name as 
a mantra. My first name is actually not all that different from the first 
mantra I was given. Maybe I'll try my name since the mantra didn't seem to do 
much for my meditation experiences...
 

 

 

 

 






[FairfieldLife] Re: New York TM teaching is maxed out

2014-05-01 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re  Dentistry is definitely a big for profit enterprise even if they say 
they're not.:
 
 

 Dentists have the highest rates for suicide of any profession. 
 

 

 Yes, they're always looking down in the mouth

 

 And if you can't get with the drill the job can be quite a grind. It's the 
kind of work you have to be prepared to really sink your teeth into, so to 
speak.
 

 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-01 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/1/2014 10:28 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
  A previous poster was also a big fan of trying to hold me accountable 
  for Barry's perspective. What is with you guys? Can't keep yer eye on 
  the ball in a discussion? You got a case of the Rama tourettes Richard 
  or some wicked Barry-centric ADD. Either way take that shit up with 
  him if you want. We can do better than run that tape loop together 
  here can't we? I am only sleeping in the bed I make for myself here.
 
 There's my tape loop and there's Barry's tape loop. You don't want to 
 hear my tape loop and I don't want to hear Barry's tape loop. But, when 
 you get down to the basics, it's all the same tape loop. I've been 
 reading these tape loops for ten years or more and I can say it's all 
 just one big tape loop. This is my tape loop.
 
 Nobody reads my tape loops anyway - so thanks for reading my tape loop. 
 Now, about that Rama levitation tape loop...
 

 It's true. Loop de loop. Loopy. Sloppy Sloopy. 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-30 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Wow. Wounded vanity rears its (dare I say it) ugly head. :-)
 

 See, I knew underneath it all you are vain. Thus, the lashing out that 
follows... Did I push a few ego buttons, Bawwy?
 

 It's a good thing I didn't mention that photos of Ann in her riding breeches 
are starting to look like someone tried to stuff ten pounds of Jell-O into a 
five pound sack. :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 Hey those breeches are expensive, don't call them a sack. 
 

 Let me get this straight...pointing out that someone you consider 
aesthetically ugly IS ugly is a Bad Thing, whereas pretending that the guy who 
smuggled literally millions of dollars across international borders ISN'T a 
crook is a Good Thing. And pretending that the guy who has to waddle his 300 
pounds up to a microphone and talk about Maharishi's vision of perfect health 
ISN'T hideously fat is a Good Thing. That sure puts all of Judy's talk about 
honesty into perspective, doesn't it?  :-)
 

 For the record, I do not find ALL women ugly, which is what a misogynist would 
think. I think many of them -- including many women my age or older -- are 
quite attractive, aesthetically speaking. Heck, I even think that *TMer* 
Heather Graham is quite attractive, and is doing a great job on the new season 
of Californication. I just reserve the right to call ugliness where I see it. 
 

 

 

 As for what calling names says about another person, I suspect these two 
women might want to go back and look at a few of the things *they* have called 
*me*. Judy has claimed that I am a drunk, a drug addict, a tax criminal, and 
worse. Ann (being a few crayons short of a full box in the intelligence area) 
has usually limited herself to lesser Yeah, what Judy said taunts that she 
mistakenly feels will get under my skin. 

 

 Me, I'm quite comfortable with no longer looking like I did in my 20s and 30s.
 

 I don't blame you, you weren't anything to write home about then either based 
on that picture of yourself you posted.
 

  It takes IMO a weird kinda person to take offense when someone points out 
that they no longer do, either. To get one's size 40 panties in a twist just 
because someone points out the *obvious* about their appearance makes as little 
sense to me as getting them in a twist because someone holds a different 
opinion about a psychopathic former cult leader than they do. Oh. Never mind.  
:-)  :-)  :-)

 

 Who's in a twist? You're the one writing a post about it all complete with 
photos illustrating your idea of an attractive older woman. And the fact that 
you find some TV star attractive even at her advanced age is supposed to 
prove exactly what?
 Excuse me, I have to go now and try and shovel my jello-like Jabba the Hut 
body into my breeches and organize the fork lift that gets me into the saddle. 
 

 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
 
 P.S.: And it says far more when it's men ragging on a woman's looks. It marks 
them as male chauvinists at best and misogynists at worst, no matter what they 
may claim in other contexts. (Especially when they do it without knowing what 
the woman looks like, as Barry did with me.) Speculating negatively about a 
woman's love life (as Barry has also done with me--he should only know!) falls 
in the same category.
 

 It's usually the last ditch effort by some loser to bring the equivalent of 
someone's mother or sister into the argument. Lacking any better ammo they 
simply resort to petty sniping at things unrelated to anything. Bawwy and Grey 
simply possess zero class. Period. Of course, Bawwy appearing intermittently in 
posted pictures here as the rumpled, grizzled, old fart that he is makes his 
comments almost hilarious - but not quite. It simply points him out as someone 
with a huge double standard - you know, the ones that imagine themselves above 
the need to give a shit about what they look like because they have so much 
going in the charm, intelligence and creativity department. 
 

 Oh, OK, thanks for explaining. I agree, faces are purely incidental here. 
Apparently Barry and azgray feel otherwise, but it seems to me that to rag on 
what someone looks like exposes a certain, well, deficit in the ability to come 
up with meaningful criticism of the person's participation. It says far more 
about them than it does about the object of their disapprobation. 

 On 4/29/2014 1:23 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Actually, as you know, Richard, I did post a photo of my own face a few 
years ago (along with Barry's Fantasy Image of Judy). 
 
 Sorry for the confusion, Judy, I was referring to azgrey as she, maybe it's 
a he, but whatever, it's anonymous to me as a face, which was my point. I'm 
not really

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Watch Dav id Lynch’s hy pnoti c new video

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I would suggest a similarity between David Lynch and his fans and Maharishi 
and his. 

 

 Lynch's primary appreciators seem to be critics and viewers who are either 
adolescents or delayed adolescents who are impressed with dark, moody 
pretension, and don't seem to notice when it repeats itself endlessly. 

 

 Maharishi essentially gave the same introductory lecture on kindergarten-level 
spirituality for 50 years, dressing up standard Hindu superstition in a 
succession of new terms without ever saying anything new. And again, no one 
noticed the repetition. 

 

 Why would you say that? How do you know? Not that your critique is 
necessarily accurate but the man hardly held me spellbound and yes, I found him 
boring and somewhat repetitive but he wasn't talking to the same audience all 
the time. Not being enthralled with MMY or overly enthusiastic about TM would 
explain why I never ran off to become a TM teacher. But to say no one noticed 
is ridiculous.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Watch Dav id Lynch’s hy pnoti c new video
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Color me not impressed by either the music or the video. This is the sort of 
stuff my friends in film school were doing in 1969. It's adolescent poseur 
stuff.
 

 I didn't get as far as watching the video. I think DL had some good ideas in 
the early days but his stuff seems really lazy now. In inland empire he'd have 
a conversation going on between two characters and someone will walk past in 
the background with a fish mask on. Yeah, it's technically surreal but so what? 
It isn't like he's making any clever points about the human unconscious , it's 
all just art for arts sake.
 

 And Mulholland Drive was a wasted opportunity IMO, all those great actors and 
he decided to leave it up to the viewer to decide which bits were real or not 
That sort of laziness makes even Eraserhead feel really shallow to me now.  I 
bet Elephant Man is still good though, but that's about it.
 

 Rant over.
 

 Penny Dreadful is much better, and it's just television.  :-)
 

 Yes. I'm looking forward to that one.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Watch Dav id Lynch’s hypnoti c new video
 
 
   --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 He says uniformly blissful from the very first one.
 

 Would he be such an evangelist if he knew what everyone else experienced?
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 One wonder if this is what David Lynch's meditations are like?  :-D 
 
 On 04/28/2014 02:12 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
   Mindy Jones is haunted by Wicker Man-esque masked figures in Moby’s 
‘reversion’ of ‘The Big Dream’ 
 Watch David Lynch’s hypnotic new video 
http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/19712/1/watch-david-lynch-s-hypnotic-new-video
 
 
 
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 Watch David Lynch’s hypnotic new video Mindy Jones is haunted by Wicker 
Man-esque masked figures in Moby’s ‘reversion’ of ‘The Big Dream’


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Watch Dav id Lynch’s hy pnoti c new video

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 You may prefer popular culture, B-films and TV-series, but it's laughable for 
someone like you to criticize creative people. Perhaps your friends made great 
video's back in the day when you were young, but where are they now, anyone 
widely recognized or exhibited ?
 And for yourself, you don't seem to have a creative visual gene in your brain 
being obsessed with poor B-films and TV-series. 
 

 Bawwy is a couch critic. There are millions of them everywhere. He seems to 
adulate the people who write comic strips, play certain music and write TV 
series and yet the best he can do is live to post on forums and supposedly 
write crib notes on medical matters. He is a Class A bench warmer and in my 
experience these kinds of people are the worst critics never having attempted 
any creative enterprise themselves. They sit and imagine how much better their 
artistic work would be if only they had actually tried to create any.
 

 

 

 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Watch Dav id Lynch’s hy pnoti c new video

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black? C'mon Nabster, if you are 
gonna take Rick to task for believing Amma is enlightened, tell us why you 
think she isn't. And since you generally refer all things spiritual to the list 
Benjy makes of who's who in the spiritual world, its logical to ask if Amma is 
on it. I wonder where Benjy got the numbers he assigns to these people? And to 
the non-existent masters he claims to have exclusive access to.
 

 Ah the my guru is better than your guru interminable argument. You'd all be 
better off building a wall and tearing it down sixteen times a day for forty 
years - at least you'd get some exercise.
 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nazi Cult Mentality

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 I got news for you WillyTex, the way they conduct themselves these days, the 
Movement is everyone's enemy. 
 

 I think you might be giving them wyy too much assumed power and influence. 
BTW, how are they my enemy?
 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 4/29/2014 1:37 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 That said, it's *OK* to be an ugly old woman. 
 You forgot to post a photo of your own face. We know you have an iPhone 
w/camera. What's up with that?
 

 Don't encourage him. The last time he posted his visage he had more bags than 
Samsonite and his wardrobe appeared to resemble wrinkled paper bags that hadn't 
seen the inside of a modern day convenience called a washing machine for a 
while and were as equally ill-fitting. Perhaps he had been coming off a three 
day bender prostrating himself before some King but whatever it was it wasn't 
good.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-29 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 P.S.: And it says far more when it's men ragging on a woman's looks. It marks 
them as male chauvinists at best and misogynists at worst, no matter what they 
may claim in other contexts. (Especially when they do it without knowing what 
the woman looks like, as Barry did with me.) Speculating negatively about a 
woman's love life (as Barry has also done with me--he should only know!) falls 
in the same category.
 

 It's usually the last ditch effort by some loser to bring the equivalent of 
someone's mother or sister into the argument. Lacking any better ammo they 
simply resort to petty sniping at things unrelated to anything. Bawwy and Grey 
simply possess zero class. Period. Of course, Bawwy appearing intermittently in 
posted pictures here as the rumpled, grizzled, old fart that he is makes his 
comments almost hilarious - but not quite. It simply points him out as someone 
with a huge double standard - you know, the ones that imagine themselves above 
the need to give a shit about what they look like because they have so much 
going in the charm, intelligence and creativity department. 
 

 

 

 

 Oh, OK, thanks for explaining. I agree, faces are purely incidental here. 
Apparently Barry and azgray feel otherwise, but it seems to me that to rag on 
what someone looks like exposes a certain, well, deficit in the ability to come 
up with meaningful criticism of the person's participation. It says far more 
about them than it does about the object of their disapprobation. 

 On 4/29/2014 1:23 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Actually, as you know, Richard, I did post a photo of my own face a few 
years ago (along with Barry's Fantasy Image of Judy). 
 
 Sorry for the confusion, Judy, I was referring to azgrey as she, maybe it's 
a he, but whatever, it's anonymous to me as a face, which was my point. I'm 
not really serious about people's faces - I don't care what people look like or 
where they were born or live - only what they say or post. Seriously.
 
 It's in the Members section. That's the one azgray is referring to. Apparently 
he believes he's the only one who can see it, so he feels safe in describing it 
as what he wishes I looked like.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/28/2014 7:38 PM, azgrey wrote:

 
 Rather that admit the effects of all those years of cigarettes and seething 
anger, she calls herself “a fairly nice-looking dame.” Yeah…..right…and TM 
“reverses the aging process.”   
 Most of us can determine for ourselves who is a fairly nice-looking dame, and 
who isn't. But, she forgot to post a photo of her own face. That, in itself 
tells us quite about as-grey. Go figure.

 
 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi interview excerpts

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 4/28/2014 7:22 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 One of the most fascinating things I've found about the cult mindset is how 
they can find a way to turn anything their cult leader says into a positive. 
 Or how one former cult member can find a way to turn anything their former 
cult leader says into a negative or a lie. 
 You are really working late tonight!
 

 This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus 
http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised
 
 
   Yes, I am quite satisfied with my meditation. MY FAITH IS STRONG by Virtue 
of Experience AND MY LIFE [Perfectly] SUCCESSFUL by the Natural Law of the 
Unified Field.
 

 Sure it is, Buck. That's why you spend so much time on an obscure Internet 
forum writing diatribes about Bevan and the other people in charge of the TM 
movement, all under a pseudonym. If that's [Perfectly] SUCCESSFUL in your 
book, you might consider returning it to the bookseller for a refund.  :-)

 

 Bawwy seems to be having reading difficulties here. There is not one thing 
that Buck said that Bawwy is addressing. Read it again Bawwy and this time 
s-l-o-w-l-y.















[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi interview excerpts

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater
I am no big fan nor am I any big dissenter of MMY's but he did a bang up job of 
running circles around this reporter who seems to have been hell-bent on 
somehow belittling and bringing Maharishi down with this interview. The harder 
this reporter pressed the more MMY played with him. I loved this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote :

 REPORTER: You're not doing much to disabuse me of the notion that you're just 
a P.T. Barnum of the psychic set.
MAHARISHI: What does this mean?
REPORTER: That you're a natural salesman.
MAHARISHI: Very right. I think I have something salable.
REPORTER: What are you selling?
MAHARISHI: Natural law and the simplest level of consciousness where 
everything is spontaneously supported by nature. If people buy this product, 
they're better off.

* * * * * * *
REPORTER: Why don't you raise money and distribute it to needy people? Would 
this not be a more effective way to bring about change?
MAHARISHI: No, no, it's not the money that can make one happy.
REPORTER: How can Third World people think about their consciousness when 
they're hungry?
MAHARISHI: By using that hardware of the cosmic computer, if they use their 
brain properly -- this is the Technology of the Unified Field -- the infinity 
of nature will make them capable of not only earning their ordinary bread but 
very first-class bread.
 
* * * * * * *
REPORTER: What do you think about the arms race and nuclear war?
MAHARISHI: Arms race will not be the cause of nuclear war. Stress will be the 
cause of nuclear war. Stress is the greatest enemy of life, and that we can 
eliminate completely. 

* * * * * * *
REPORTER: You have written that by meditating, man brings out his own sense of 
divinity in himself.
MAHARISHI: Right, we can talk divinity.
REPORTER: What about someone like Hitler. If he had meditated?
MAHARISHI: He would have been more positive.
REPORTER: You really think you can change people's natures by meditating?
MAHARISHI: The world is already a changed situation. One would not know what 
would have happened between the power blocs if Transcendental Meditation was 
not raising the consciousness of the world.

* * * * * * *
REPORTER: What do you do for play?
MAHARISHI: The whole life is play.
REPORTER: What do you do for amusement?
MAHARISHI: Oh, this is great amusement when I talk about the unified field, 
laws of nature, when I hear so many people are starting the courses. I am doing 
two things. One, creating a softness in world consciousness. Second, training 
leadership.
 
* * * * * * *
REPORTER: Is what you are doing a game?
MAHARISHI: It's a game.
REPORTER: Do you ever sit back and say, 'I've been playing this game for 25 
years. I'm a millionaire. Gee, I'm a good player?'
MAHARISHI: I don't play in the past. I always play in the present for a good 
future.
 
* * * * * * *
REPORTER: Do you want to take over the world?
MAHARISHI: I have taken over already!
REPORTER: How do you expect people to take you seriously?
MAHARISHI: I don't because that is damage to my own message. Serious means 
under stress.
REPORTER: You don't think that you're just pulling off a beautiful job of 
fooling people?
MAHARISHI: Those people who don't know better are always fools, but they will 
become better thinkers, better knowers with this message.
REPORTER: Are you a snake-oil salesman?
MAHARISHI: What is a snake oil?
REPORTER: A panacea. Something that will solve all the ills of the world. 
MAHARISHI: Then this is it!
 
* * * * * * *
REPORTER: If we sent in an outside person not connected with you to take 
pictures [of Yogic Flying]?
MAHARISHI: No one is not connected with me.
REPORTER: Where did you get your modesty?
MAHARISHI: It's simplicity.
 
* * * * * * * 
REPORTER: Do people create when they're sitting around feeling happiness 
bubble up? How do you explain geniuses like Dostoevski who lived a miserable 
life and created very much?
MAHARISHI: He could have created much more if the environment was less 
stressed.
REPORTER: But he wrote about stress. He would have had nothing to write about 
if there hadn't been stress.
MAHARISHI: One could write about a pond, but that doesn't justify the 
existence of the pond or its utility.
 
* * * * * * *
REPORTER: But you claim credit for meditating suffering away?
MAHARISHI: Right. Exactly.
REPORTER: Have you no shame?
MAHARISHI: No shame, no weakness, no failure.
End of interview

~Washington Post -- November 1983~

* * * * * * *
TM Media Alert (Israel): Meital Dohan bringing TM to Israeli soldiers -- 
ConcertBlogger.com http://ConcertBlogger.com (Posted on TM.org http://TM.org) 
-- April 10, 2014
http://tmhome.com/experiences/meital-dohan-bringing-tm-to-israeli-soldiers/ 
http://tmhome.com/experiences/meital-dohan-bringing-tm-to-israeli-soldiers/

 Jai Guru Dev








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 The fascinating thing from my point of view is that Lawson seems to actually 
believe that the things you, I, Curtis, and Michael say are some kind of 
fringe opinions spouted by those with a grudge against the TM movement. That 
belief *alone* is True Believerism to the max. It's like when someone (I think 
the Judester) pretended that the obit article written at the time of 
Maharishi's death and posted here was biased. It really wasn't. It was HOW 
MOST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET VIEW MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI.
 

 That is, as a spiritual con man, he is notable only for the financial success 
and the number of people he sucked into his cons. That's the only area in which 
he ever excelled at anything.

 

 Except for a tiny, tiny fraction of people who are still brainwashed from 
their time in the TM movement (probably less than the made-up square root of 
1%) of the population), NO ONE looks at him as a great saint, much less the 
greatest who has ever lived. You have to be REEEAALLLY REEEAALLLY STOOPID to 
believe something like that. And most of the world isn't nearly that stupid.
 

 Lawson's never been on the inside of the TM movement to see how it was 
really run. He's never seen course leaders trying to sneak people who have had 
nervous breakdowns or who have attempted suicide on courses out of the country 
so that nothing makes the evening news. He's never been there when the people 
who commissioned courses like the one at Poland Spring back in the early days 
discover that the people running the kitchen were buying spoiled and 
near-spoiled produce to feed to the course participants because it was cheaper 
-- *and then told them to keep doing it*, because the alternative would have 
cost them more money. He's never been there when Maharishi told people not to 
pay law firms and PR firms that the TM movement had contracted with because the 
results of the court case or the PR attempt they'd contracted for didn't turn 
out the way he expected it to. He's never been asked to carry a suitcase of 
money back to India to give to Maharishi's relatives. 

 

 The only thing I think he *has* seen are the fantasies running around in his 
head, fantasies that he *desperately* needs to believe are true to justify all 
the belief and proselytizing and money he's thrown their way for decades. He's 
desperate to believe the science NOT because he really believes it'll 
convince other people or the public, but because he's desperate to convince 
*himself* that he hasn't wasted his life on bullshit sold to him by a con man. 
He is the perfect -- and only -- target audience for all of that bullshit 
science. 

 

 Sad, but that's what happens when you turn your mind over to someone early in 
life and then never have the balls to take it back. 

 

 So much time and wasted energy berating others for some perceived error on 
their part and here you are obsessed with critiquing Lawson (or anyone else) 
who doesn't exhibit black and white opinions on a subject. Always demeaning, 
always the same, Bawwy. For a subject you figure you have enough balls to 
have moved past you are certainly heavily invested and compulsively driven to 
continually comment on. What does this mean, oh testicular paragon of god-like 
gonads?
 

 
 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater
 “market weight,” cattle in the beef industry are trucked to 
slaughter. The Humane Methods of Slaughter Act requires that livestock be 
rendered insensible to pain before shackling and slaughter; however, 
investigations have found that some animals are still conscious when they are 
shackled and have their throats cut.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 

 Thanks for this post Michael. I don't know how many people at FFL eat cows but 
they need to know this. And they need to know the cost of dairy in terms of 
lives. I don't eat cows. I eat organic dairy but it is dairy nevertheless and 
that means I am ingesting a milk product nature intended for a baby cow. That 
baby cow is being denied that milk so that I, a fully grown adult mammal, can 
have ice cream, milk on my cereal or yoghurt. It would appear I am being very 
selfish and uncaring in doing so.
 

 
Hey Ann, I was off the grid for a while.  I got my first 
reading glasses, and I am able to read the screen better.

Selective breeding for thousands of years ensured that the 
cows produce more milk that what is needed for the calves.  
In fact, if the calves drink too much milk, it can harm 
them.
 

 But they won't drink too much milk. They drink as much as they desire from 
hour to hour.

Bulls were used to plough the fields and pull carts. 
Basicaly, old animals were killed for meat, but that was the 
way of life for thousands of years.  Nose rings and nose 
ropes were equally cruel, but again that was the way things 
were for thousands of years.

We are more enlightened or evolved, so we can change.  It's 
this industrial scale mass killings that worry me. It's 
different from a farmer killing an animal for food.

I saw an article in which artificial beef cells grown in 
labs.  It is almost colourless and lacks the reddish hue of 
natural meat.  It's still not ready for commercial use.

If they can tweak lab grown beef cells and make it like more 
natural, I am sure we can break out of our barbaric past and 
become more refined and more civilised.
 

 I have heard of this terrible-sounding meat. But I support it totally, in 
theory, even though I wouldn't eat it.

Hurting anything is bad karma. It comes back to punish you. 
 

 It is bad enough that animals are hurt/violated/treated like unfeeling and 
unthinking items; the fact that there might be karma involved is, for me, not 
the point. When deciding to eat or not eat an animal what my karma will be as a 
result does not factor into it at all. What matters is that I am not 
contributing to another animal's death to replace the one I just consumed.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 
 
   Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?







There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)
 

 Ha, ha. Real Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of 
years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch King is hardly 
worthy of three days of fun and frolic - what does this entail? Perhaps 
prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down 
a few pints of Dutch swill.











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 
 
   Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?







There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)
 

 Ha, ha. Real Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of 
years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch King is hardly 
worthy of three days of fun and frolic - what does this entail? Perhaps 
prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down 
a few pints of Dutch swill.

 











Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-28 Thread awoelflebater


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 The sallow faced old coprophagous junkyard dog must miss me.
 

 How charming. 
 

 It is a matter of concern, however, that she seems to be skewing  on the 
spectrum at an even faster rate. 
 

 Her interactions with Barry and the ever courteous Curtis show her lack of 
self-consciousness in showing the world her completely batshit craziness. 
 

 Rather that admit the effects of all those years of cigarettes and seething 
anger, she calls herself “a fairly nice-looking dame.” Yeah…..right…and TM 
“reverses the aging process.”   
 

 http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
 

 AZ, you haven't changed a bit. That should not only give you pause but, if you 
had an inkling of objectivity and/or distance on your pathetic human condition, 
dishearten you. You appear to have been eating nails and otherwise consorting 
with those who have not been having a positive influence on your so-called life 
or outlook. I'll bet you're looking forward to when you don't have to cart that 
corpse of yours around any more since it seems to support a head that contains 
a brain seething with ugliness. If I might conjecture, you are one step beyond 
even that asshat Bawwy.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

2014-04-27 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Seems like there's a limited number of things that can be done with bulls. 
What happens to male buffalo, for example? They can't each have their own herd 
of females, and you can't have a herd of males, can you? They'd kill each other.
 

 With horses the younger or maturing males simply coexist with the rest of the 
herd and once in a while decide to duke it out with various other lesser males. 
Basically, the head stallion breeds the mares and the less dominant ones simply 
remain as residents. Occasionally if they get too uppity they are driven out or 
leave of their own volition and sometimes they remain solitary or occasionally 
come back to gather together some mares to create their own harem if they can 
fight the head stallion and win, even momentarily. Ultimately, the most 
dominant member of the herd is a mare. She is the alpha mare and will tell the 
head stallion when to fix the roof or wash the car, especially on weekends when 
he is free after having fought off the whippersnapper teenagers and finished 
breeding the willing mares who are in season.
 

 I'm serious; I really don't know. Something in nature must keep down the 
number of males that reach maturity, at least of this general type of critter, 
no? I never thought about it before.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

 
 It would make sense to keep a bull or two around for breeding purposes. But, 
it is highly unlikely that they keep all males. Unlike Jersey cows, which tend 
to be sweet and docile, Jersey bulls are considered the least docile of all 
cattle breeds. As steers, they are apparently suitable as draft animals, albeit 
not the largest and strongest breed for that task. But, can cutting off a 
bull's balls and enslaving it as a draft animal truly be considered ahimsa?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Not quite true, Alex. One of the males is featured here:
 

 http://www.universalfields.org/tala_ram.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/tala_ram.html

 
Doesn't sound like he's going to end up as veal chops, but perhaps he's the 
exception. At any rate, the text sounds very respectful and protective of the 
males.
 

 

 

 True, which is why unwanted male dairy calves often end up slaughtered young, 
as veal. It's a huge glaring omission that the website below is totally focused 
on the cows, with no mention of the males, which make up 50% of the calves born 
every year. Radiance Dairy in Fairfield operates under basically the same 
principles, and the owner has no shortage of people who want to buy his male 
calves, which ultimately end up as little wrapped packages of meat in a 
freezer. Folks can go on and on all they like about the Vedicness and 
Sattvicness of milk, but the reality is that with the exception of a few very 
rare ahimsa dairies, milk production has slaughtered animals as a by-product.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Of course milk cows are not beef cattle.  Folks here should read Swami  
Bhaskarananda's The Essentials of Hinduism where he writes about that.  It 
heard tales of him taking a slice of roast beef at a Vedanta Society potluck 
and putting it on an anemic looking disciple's plate.  I met him in the 1970s 
when he was the new Swami at the Seattle Vedanta Center where the late Bobby 
Warren took me because it was a good place to get incense.
 
 On 04/27/2014 09:25 AM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote:
 
   A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows
 
 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 
 
 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
 

 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

2014-04-27 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 More than 9.3 million cows were used to produce milk in the United States in 
2008, and more than 2.5 million dairy cows were slaughtered for meat. Cows used 
by the dairy industry are intensively confined, continually impregnated, and 
bred for high milk production with little concern for their well-being. Far 
from being the “happy cows” the industry makes them out to be, these typically 
playful, nurturing animals endure immense suffering on factory farms.
 
 Like all mammals, dairy cows must be impregnated in order to produce milk. 
Cows in the dairy industry spend their lives in a constant cycle of 
impregnation, birth, and milking with just a few short months of rest between 
pregnancies.
 
 Nearly all cows used for dairy in the U.S. are eventually slaughtered for 
human consumption. At an average of less than 5 years of age, exhausted cows 
are considered “spent” and sent to slaughter, and millions of them are eaten by 
Americans as hamburger. In a natural setting, a cow can live more than 20 years.
 
 Usually just within hours of birth, calves are taken away from their mothers. 
Calves can become so distressed from separation that they become sick, lose 
weight from not eating, and cry so much that their throats become raw.
 
 Because male calves will not grow up to produce milk, they are considered of 
little value to the dairy farmer and are sold for meat. Millions of these 
calves are taken away to be raised for beef. Hundreds of thousands of other 
male calves born into the dairy industry are raised for veal. Many people 
consider veal to be cruel, but they don’t realize that veal production is a 
product of the dairy industry.
 
 In the vast majority of dairy operations in the U.S., cows spend their lives 
indoors, typically on hard, abrasive concrete floors, frequently connected to a 
milking apparatus.
 
 
 In 2007, the average cow in the dairy industry was forced to produce more than 
20,000 lbs. of milk in one year — more than double the milk produced 40 years 
before. Breeding cows for this unnaturally high level of milk production, 
combined with damage caused to the udders by milking machines, contributes to 
high levels of mastitis, a very common and very painful swelling of glands of 
the udder. 
 
 In the name of increased milk production and profit, some dairy cows are 
repeatedly injected with bovine growth hormone, a genetically-engineered 
hormone that has been shown to increase the risk of health problems like 
mastitis and lameness.
 
 Arguing that it improves hygiene, dairy producers cut off cows’ tails, called 
“tail docking,” either by placing a tight rubber ring around the tail until it 
falls off or by cutting it off with a sharp instrument. Each method causes 
chronic pain. Cows use their tail to swish away flies and can suffer immensely 
during fly season.
 
 Investigations have found that cows who collapse because they are too sick or 
injured to walk or stand, known as “downers” by the industry, are routinely 
prodded, dragged, and pushed around slaughter facilities.
 
 
 Cows Used for Meat
 
 In 2010, 34.2 million cattle were slaughtered for beef in the United States. 
Often beginning their short lives on rangeland, calves are soon separated from 
their nurturing mothers and endure a series of painful mutilations. Before they 
are a year old, young calves endure a long and stressful journey to a feedlot, 
where they are fattened on an unnatural diet until they reach “market weight” 
and are sent to slaughter.
 
 After being taken from their mother, calves’ cries can be so intense that 
their throats become irritated.
 
 Calves raised for beef may be subject to a number of painful mutilations, 
including dehorning, castration, and branding. Even though each of these 
procedures is known to cause fear and pain, pain relief is rarely provided.
 
 Because it is thought to improve meat quality and tenderness, male calves are 
castrated at a young age. Methods include removing testicles surgically with a 
scalpel, crushing spermatic cords with a clamp, and constricting blood flow to 
the scrotum until testicles die and fall off. Each method is known to cause 
pain that can last for days.
 
 Cattle in the U.S. are often branded by having an iron hotter than 950 °F 
pressed into their skin for several seconds. This is done so that beef 
producers can identify cattle and claim ownership.
 
 Between 6 months and a year of age, cattle are moved from pasture to feedlots 
to be fattened for slaughter. Calves gain weight on an unnatural diet and reach 
“market weight” of 1,200 pounds in just 6 months.
 
 The majority of cattle are fattened in feedlots in just four U.S. states. 
Since calves are born all over the country, they often endure long and 
stressful trips from their place of birth to these states without food, water, 
or protection from the elements
 
 Once they reach “market weight,” cattle in the beef 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Creationists thwart mammoth bid!

2014-04-26 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 There really needs to be a work around for this issue for those religious 
minded in this regard.  Cognitive dissonance is a bit of an understatement I 
think. 

 I have some customers who belong to strict denominations but are mainstream in 
most other ways.  Boy, do I steer the topic of conversation away from this 
issue, should it ever veer in that direction.
 

 I was invited to a country wedding of such a customer/friend recently.  We had 
a great time.  The groom had his gun tucked in his belt behind his back, and 
the pastor officiating made it a strong point that the earth was only 6000 
years old. She of course was about five months pregnant. It was the second 
marriage for both. (maybe her third)
 

 The dinner served was the crispy chicken that you usually get at gas stations.
 

 This guy is a true country boy and we've been friends for a long time.  And, 
the dude is smart.
 

 Now that is dissonance. Perhaps there should be some definition of smart if 
this is, indeed, the case.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 

 Bizarre story. It's hard to believe people still actually believe that the 
Earth is only 6,000 years old.That's a lot of cognitive dissonance you'd have 
to be coping with these days. Probably why these maniacs have their own 
natural history museum with humans and dinosaurs cavorting happily together.. 
 

 

 Each to their own POV but it's easier to disprove Biblical creation than it is 
the tooth fairy. Everyone knows there are trees demonstrably older than 6,000 
years. And if the Ark landed in Turkey, why can't you find kangaroos outside of 
Australia? 
 

 I say they should have to prove the Earth is only as old as the Bible says or 
put up with the new state fossil. You can't go around controlling what everyone 
sees by banning anything you disapprove of because your religion tells you 
otherwise! Can you?

 

 

 Creationist Debate Stalls South Carolina State Fossil Bill 
http://www.livescience.com/45060-creationist-debate-south-carolina-state-fossil-bill.html

 
 
 
http://www.livescience.com/45060-creationist-debate-south-carolina-state-fossil-bill.html
 
 Creationist Debate Stalls South Carolina State Fossil Bi... 
http://www.livescience.com/45060-creationist-debate-south-carolina-state-fossil-bill.html
 When 8-year-old Olivia McConnell proposed a state fossil for South Carolina, 
she probably didn't expect her request to prompt a drawn-out fight wi...


 
 View on livescience.com 
http://www.livescience.com/45060-creationist-debate-south-carolina-state-fossil-bill.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Creationists thwart mammoth bid!

2014-04-26 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You do realize that vast majority of Protestant Christians in America do not 
consider members of the Anglican Church as real Christians?
 

 Can you back that statement up?
 
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ACTIVE Need for More Meditation, Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, it's not Buck's fault. I think I feel guilty because I could round and I 
don't. But I simply don't like it and moreover, don't think I'm suited for it. 
 

 I'd probably have to agree with you on the rounding. You'd be better off 
taking a brisk walk or dancing vigorously to Big Noise from Winnetka.
 
 
 On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:05 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
wrote:
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Buck, I go to the Dome twice a day and if that ain't good enough then shiver 
me timbers and ahoy, matey!
 

 Buck has, presumably, lost his mind Share. There is nothing you can do to make 
him happy except to join him in his delirium. I would strongly advise against 
doing so.
 

 












 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 See Barry. See Barry freak out when Judy pushes his buttons. ;-) 

 (Note that he's so freaked out that he says the same things twice...)
 

 I've gotten more mileage from Barry out of that Barry's Fantasy Image of 
Judy photo than I ever dreamed I would when I first posted it seven years ago. 
It's haunted his dreams ever since.
 

 Only someone comfortable in their own skin is going to post a picture like you 
did, Judy. I think it's funny and you scored there with that visage of yours! 
Poor Bawwy doesn't seem to realize that inner ugliness is far more 
life-threatening and unattractive than someone making a face at a camera.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer
 
 
   Willytex is only pretending, but I certainly am an ET. Just ask Barry. Why 
do you think I freak him out so badly?
 It's worth pointing out that even Judy's *fantasies* are psychotic, and about 
the ways she imagines that she freaks out people. That's not being an 
extraterrestrial, merely insane. Case in point -- here is the photo Judy posted 
that contains *HER* fantasy image of how she imagines me seeing her. 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/408557067/lightbox/1624549388
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/408557067/lightbox/1624549388

 

 It's worth pointing out that this photo isn't Judy making a face, this IS 
her face.  Do you know anyone else who could manage to look so ugly, or want 
to?  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 If I were to actually try to visualize the inner Judy Stein, it would be 
more like this.  Not quite as scary as she imagines, is it?   :-)  :-)  :-)  

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 I am perfectly willing to believe that WillyTex and possbily Judy are indeed 
ET's.
 
 On Wed, 4/23/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014, 8:43 PM

 Paul Hellyer recently stirred up global
 controversy when he testified before a half-dozen former US
 representatives that aliens exist. As Canada's former
 Minister of Defence, Hellyer is the first and only
 cabinet-ranking official from a G8 nation to publicly state
 a belief in extraterrestrials.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1WVeyMqdo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1WVeyMqdo 

   
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/408557067/lightbox/1624549388
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/408557067/lightbox/1624549388

 

 It's also worth pointing out that this photo isn't Judy making a face, this 
IS her face.  Do you know anyone else who could manage to look so ugly, or want 
to?  :-)  :-)  :-)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 I am perfectly willing to believe that WillyTex and possbily Judy are indeed 
ET's.
 
 On Wed, 4/23/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014, 8:43 PM

 Paul Hellyer recently stirred up global
 controversy when he testified before a half-dozen former US
 representatives that aliens exist. As Canada's former
 Minister of Defence, Hellyer is the first and only
 cabinet-ranking official from a G8 nation to publicly state
 a belief in extraterrestrials.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1WVeyMqdo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1WVeyMqdo 



 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry's linked to that Barry's fantasy image of Judy photo at least a dozen 
times since I posted it (and at one point he did a Photoshop job making it 
appear to be a huge crop circle). Talk about obsession!

 Admittedly, the photo was an afterthought. If anybody wants to see what I look 
like when I'm not making a face, just click on the left arrow on the page at 
Barry's link. (I was grinning at the egotism involved in taking a selfie with 
a Webcam.)
 

 Maybe I'll take one for him later today. I'm sure I could look even funnier 
than you do in that shot he obsesses about. I might as well give him some more 
mileage with an even uglier face when I get through with the camera.
 

 

 Only someone comfortable in their own skin is going to post a picture like you 
did, Judy. I think it's funny and you scored there with that visage of yours! 
Poor Bawwy doesn't seem to realize that inner ugliness is far more 
life-threatening and unattractive than someone making a face at a camera.
 












 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Plus growing up with a dad who was a CEO of Kraft - I can't imagine being 
forced to eat that Kraft Mac and Cheese at every meal, not to mention that 
horrid Miracle Whip!
 

 Yea, and Kraft caramels for dessert - the chocolate and the regular version. 
Never did like cheese though. I remember having a Velveeta poster next to my 
bed when we lived in Germany - must've been grade 4. And those mini Kraft 
marshmallows too. In Canada the mac and cheese is so popular any generic 
macaroni and cheese is referred to as Kraft Dinner. That cracks me up every 
time I hear it. Fortunately, my mother was an amazing cook so no Kraft Dinner 
for us. I did eat those caramels once in a while though.
 
 On Thu, 4/24/14, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... 
j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2014, 2:41 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 A pauper's grave after living a hard life in
 desolate Canadian squalor with a bunch of horses. Truly, a
 cautionary tale if there ever was one.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 were
 you still a student when you got banned? And who told you
 you were banned, Bevan?
 Thanks for
 posting all those great pics, BTW. So fun to see. I was
 banned once it was realized I was part of Robin's group.
 This was about two and a half years after I graduated which
 was in 1980. By 1983 I was part of the excommunicated, the
 shunned, the nobodys who where destined for a pauper's
 grave.
 
 
 On Thu, 4/24/14, awoelflebater@...
 awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2014, 1:11 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mjackson74@...
 
 wrote :
 
 
 
 Good God! Found this too -
 
 Flying Badge from my flying bloc - 1981 when I was still
 
 young and foolish. And it still has the remnant of the
 Taste
 
 of Utopia sticker in the left hand corner and the gold
 
 embossed logo of the 7,000 course. Man oh man. Maharishi
 
 Consciousness indeed.
 
 
 
 I
 
 don't think I ever got a badge since we started group
 
 meditation in the basement of the student union, then the
 
 gymnasium and I think I was only in the dome a couple of
 
 times, not even sure about that. Of course, I am officially
 
 persona non grata and banned forever from the grounds and
 
 golden mammaries of MUM. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] New Useless Book on Meditating Fairfield, Iowa

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 And I live in a 2 bedroom home with an east and a west facing entrance - the 
front door faces directly east and the back door, the kitchen door faces 
directly west - I had them blocked up and enter and exit through the north and 
south facing windows. The neighbors think its odd but it makes me feel good.
 

 Oh you renegade you.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic

2014-04-24 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 did y'all use Miracle Whip?
 

 You know it baby.
 

 

 

 

 





[FairfieldLife] Some Nice Points If You Have An Animal (or human) in Your LIfe

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater
If you are standing next to your horse and he looks away, do you think he’s 
distracted or even disrespectful? When your horse yawns, is he sleepy or bored? 
If he moves slowly, is he lazy? These are important cues from your horse, are 
you hearing him correctly?
 When it comes to communicating with horses, some humans are a bit like a 
self-obsessed rock star who throws a temper tantrum and trashes the room, but 
then assumes everyone wants his autograph. By equine standards, we ignore those 
around us and begin by screaming bloody-murder and escalate from there. Part of 
respecting a horse is remembering that their senses are much keener than ours. 
We can whisper.
 It is just like man’s vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because 
it is dumb to his dull perceptions.  ~Mark Twain.  

 Horses give us calming signals, just like dogs. Norwegian dog trainer and 
behaviorist Turid Rugaas wrote about it in 2005. She coined the phrase calming 
signals to describe the social skills, or body language, that dogs use to avoid 
conflict, invite play, and communicate a wide range of information to other 
dogs.
 Calming signals in horses are somewhat similar and include looking away, 
having lateral ears, yawning, stretching down, licking lips or eating to calm 
themselves. Can you recognize them? Calming cues communicate stress, and at the 
same time, release stress. It is modeling behavior for us; they want us to drop 
our stress level, or aggressiveness as well.
 When a horse looks away, either with his eyes or whole head and neck, it is a 
calming cue. He uses a signal like this when he feels pressured and wants the 
rider to know he senses the person’s agitation or aggression, but that person 
can calm down because he is no threat to the human. In the horse’s mind, he is 
communicating clearly and with respect.
 Do you pull his head back and force his position? It’s human nature to turn up 
our volume if we think we aren’t being heard and maybe the hardest thing about 
listening to calming signals is that they kind of poke our dominant parts. So 
when the horse signals us to be less aggressive, but we mistakenly hear it as 
boredom or distraction or even disobedience, and then follow that up with a 
larger cue, we’re starting a fight. We’re letting the horse know we choose 
aggression over peace. Is that what you meant to say? Or is the appropriate 
positive response from a good leader to de-escalate the situation?
 It is just like man’s vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because 
it is dumb to his dull perceptions.  ~Mark Twain.  (It deserves repeating.)
 If riders want to understand the language of horses, we need stop seeing our 
horses in our own worst image (lazy or distracted) and begin a conversation 
where we listen more openly, more honestly. It’s much too simplistic to lump 
everything a horse does into either dominant or submissive behavior. Herd life 
has much more nuance than that. As social animals, they work to get along, 
encouraging others to cooperate. Even dominant boss mares give calming cues.
 We can build trust with the horse if we learn to respect calming signals, and 
even reward them. In my training, the best calming signal I have is my breath. 
I can slow it down, emphasize the exhale, and just be still at the end. Using 
our breath is a huge aid that horses pay attention to, so much more than humans 
realize.
 Each time I start work with a horse, I ask for his eye, using my eye. I want 
him to volunteer. If my horse looks away, I take a deep breath, acknowledge the 
moment, and go slow. Usually on my second or third breath, he’ll look back and 
tell me he’s ready. It’s a short wait, compared to putting fear or resistance 
in that eye.
 Reading horse body language takes some quiet time to learn, and they aren’t 
all exactly alike. Some horses are so shut down, so overwhelmed by us pounding 
on them in the past, that they have no calming cues at all, but you can remind 
him. Calming is a good thing, no matter who cues it.
 If you are thinking of tuning up your communication skills with your horse, I 
really recommend ground work. It’s my favorite thing about the Horse Agility we 
do here at Infinity Farm in the summer. Obstacles are great conversation 
starters with a horse, and if the human can get past needing to dominate the 
obstacle, communication can be eloquent, with understanding and a healthy 
give-and-take reasoning. And it all translates to the saddle later.
 Now that I think about it, when I meet someone who is loud or aggressive, I 
tend to look away, too. Sometimes I turn my shoulders sideways and don’t make 
eye contact. I notice I don’t like aggressive people crowding me and talking 
loud either. This is about the time I become aware that I do groundwork with 
humans as often as I do horses. Maybe the real reason we shouldn’t humanize 
horses is because they had it right in the first place.
 
 Anna Blake, Infinity Farm. http://annablaketraining.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Good God! Found this too - Flying Badge from my flying bloc - 1981 when I was 
still young and foolish. And it still has the remnant of the Taste of Utopia 
sticker in the left hand corner and the gold embossed logo of the 7,000 course. 
Man oh man. Maharishi Consciousness indeed.

 

 I don't think I ever got a badge since we started group meditation in the 
basement of the student union, then the gymnasium and I think I was only in the 
dome a couple of times, not even sure about that. Of course, I am officially 
persona non grata and banned forever from the grounds and golden mammaries of 
MUM.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Noise from Winnetka!

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gvJnhTY2s 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gvJnhTY2s

Buddy is IMO technically somewhat better than Gene, but
Gene is quite a lot more interesting musicwise!?

YMMV...
 

 I frigging love this song. BTW, I used to live in Winnetka.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Saatva in Georgia

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 I'm all for people's right to own a gun (not necessarily automatics though).  
But I'm beginning to wonder if the open carry people are being used to create 
a situation that people will react favorably to banning guns?  After all who 
wants to live in communities where people walk around with guns on their belts 
all the time?  It's bad enough with the cops doing that.
 

 Guns and people toting them around are fucking ridiculous. What the hell are 
human beings thinking? Idiots. Gun carrying has nothing to do with freedom - it 
has everything to do with fear and displaced need for power.
 
 On 04/23/2014 09:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
   Georgia Governor to Sign Sweeping Gun Bill
 
 8:29 AM ET
 Radical new gun legislation due to be signed into law on Wednesday will allow 
licensed owners to carry guns in more public places than ever before, as places 
like churches can opt in to permit the weapons and bars can opt out if they 
want them banned
 
 Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal will sign into law Wednesday radical new gun 
legislation that will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public 
places than at any time in the past century, including government buildings, 
bars, and a wide variety of public places.
 
 The law, called the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” allows churches to “opt-in” 
to permit weapons, school districts to appoint staff carrying firearms, and 
requires bars to opt out if they wish to ban firearms, NBC reports. Gun owners 
caught at airport security checkpoints can pick up their weapons and leave with 
no criminal penalty.
 
 Critics have called the new legislation the “Guns Everywhere Bill,” and gun 
control groups including Americans for Responsible Solutions and Mayors Against 
Illegal Guns have strongly criticized the bill, as has the executive director 
of the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, Frank Rotondo. “Police officers 
do not want more people carrying guns on the street,” said Rotondo, 
“particularly police officers in inner city areas.”
 
 Proponents of the law say, however, that it strengthens the Second Amendment 
and will make people safer. “When we limit a Georgian’s ability to carry a 
weapon — to defend themselves — we’re empowering the bad guys,” said Georgia 
state Rep. Rick Jasperse, who introduced the bill.
 
 Eight states have loosened gun regulations since the massacre at Sandy Hook 
Elementary in Newtown, Conn. in December 2012, while 10 states have 
strengthened regulations, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence


 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 were you still a student when you got banned? And who told you you were 
banned, Bevan?
 

 Thanks for posting all those great pics, BTW. So fun to see. I was banned once 
it was realized I was part of Robin's group. This was about two and a half 
years after I graduated which was in 1980. By 1983 I was part of the 
excommunicated, the shunned, the nobodys who where destined for a pauper's 
grave.
 
 On Thu, 4/24/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2014, 1:11 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 Good God! Found this too -
 Flying Badge from my flying bloc - 1981 when I was still
 young and foolish. And it still has the remnant of the Taste
 of Utopia sticker in the left hand corner and the gold
 embossed logo of the 7,000 course. Man oh man. Maharishi
 Consciousness indeed.
 
 I
 don't think I ever got a badge since we started group
 meditation in the basement of the student union, then the
 gymnasium and I think I was only in the dome a couple of
 times, not even sure about that. Of course, I am officially
 persona non grata and banned forever from the grounds and
 golden mammaries of MUM. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

 A pauper's grave after living a hard life in desolate Canadian squalor with a 
bunch of horses. Truly, a cautionary tale if there ever was one.
 

 I love you Alex.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 were you still a student when you got banned? And who told you you were 
banned, Bevan?
 

 Thanks for posting all those great pics, BTW. So fun to see. I was banned once 
it was realized I was part of Robin's group. This was about two and a half 
years after I graduated which was in 1980. By 1983 I was part of the 
excommunicated, the shunned, the nobodys who where destined for a pauper's 
grave.
 
 On Thu, 4/24/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last MIU Pic
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2014, 1:11 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 Good God! Found this too -
 Flying Badge from my flying bloc - 1981 when I was still
 young and foolish. And it still has the remnant of the Taste
 of Utopia sticker in the left hand corner and the gold
 embossed logo of the 7,000 course. Man oh man. Maharishi
 Consciousness indeed.
 
 I
 don't think I ever got a badge since we started group
 meditation in the basement of the student union, then the
 gymnasium and I think I was only in the dome a couple of
 times, not even sure about that. Of course, I am officially
 persona non grata and banned forever from the grounds and
 golden mammaries of MUM. 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ACTIVE Need for More Meditation, Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers

2014-04-23 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Buck, I go to the Dome twice a day and if that ain't good enough then shiver 
me timbers and ahoy, matey!
 

 Buck has, presumably, lost his mind Share. There is nothing you can do to make 
him happy except to join him in his delirium. I would strongly advise against 
doing so.
 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
 
 
   Science ain't gonna find it. It's transcendent to the four known forces of 
nature, ontologically prior to them (and to everything else in the universe). 

 LOL, what does that even mean! Nothing at all.
 

 No, it does mean something, it means someone wants to have their cake and eat 
it. A god to worship but no way of ever proving it - just claim it can't be 
measured. Well, maybe it's there and you can't measure it but it isn't doing 
anything to help or explain so.groundhog day.

Exactly. 
 

 This why Hawking thinks philosophy is dead, they just aren't engaging with the 
current paradigm which is proving to be rather successful. What we need is the 
will to find out, not hide behind unprovable arguments.  

You mean unprovable arguments like metaphysical ultimacy? I'm sorry, but that 
strikes me as a made-up phrase designed to dazzle with bullshit rather than say 
anything. It's like using the term Equus monoclonius to refer to a unicorn. It 
makes it sound more impressive, while ignoring the fact that unicorns don't 
exist. Obviously, some people are more easily dazzled by bullshit than others. 
:-) 

 

 The only way this idea is going to survive is if there isn't anyway everything 
could have got here without some sort of ontological transcendent intelligence. 
You won't convince anyone about undetectable gods without necessity. Until then 
we can project what whatever we like onto the universe. It wouldn't be the 
first time!
 

 Again, speaking just for myself, I have no problem with people believing in 
unicorns, or in God. It's when they attempt to waste my time by getting me to 
argue about either mythical beast's existence that I cry bullshit. 

 

 Cry baby. By the way, no one is talking to you therefore no one is trying to 
get you to argue or to convince you of anything with regard to God (or unicorns 
for that matter). Stop taking it so personally - you are hardly the center of 
the Universe except the one of your own making.
 



























Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 All these words, talking about something that doesn't exist...
 

 It's enough to drive you crazy, ain't it? Too many big words in a row just 
flummox you. And those ideas...whew, way too hard to follow, especially if 
Despicable Me is more your speed.
 

 
 










[FairfieldLife] Re: Never underestimate Americans' ability to practice denial

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Or their ability to prefer beliefs they're heavily invested in vs. a consensus 
of facts that dispute them...
 

 Staggering Number Of Americans Doubt Accepted Science 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/21/global-warming-evolution-and-the-big-bang-poll_n_5187624.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

 

 Isn't this sort of like that old Yogi Berra saying about eating at Ruggeri's 
restaurant, No one goes there anymore because it's so crowded.?
 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 salyavin, about that yahoo interface change: sorry to have to tell you, but 
yes, it is only on YOUR computer. Well and computers of the other atheists too 
(-:
 

 On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 7:55 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this 
exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me.
 

 I think God is quite paranormal and Ed Fess usually crops up these days.
 

 BTW, the light green type you're using now is so faint it's really hard to 
read. Please pick something darker.
 

 How about this? Seems that yahoo have changed the interface again, or is that 
only on my computer?
 

 Nah, I have it too and now I don't have my proper purple color anymore. I'm 
lost and flummoxed.
 

 

 

 Again, speaking just for myself, I have no problem with people believing in 
unicorns, or in God. It's when they attempt to waste my time by getting me to 
argue about either mythical beast's existence that I cry bullshit. 

 

 Yes, we are at a bit of an impasse with this debate. Good fun though.
 




























 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 All these words, talking about something that doesn't exist...
 

 It's enough to drive you crazy, ain't it? Too many big words in a row just 
flummox you. And those ideas...whew, way too hard to follow, especially if 
Despicable Me is more your speed.
 

 But what do you think of the metaphysical arguments for the existence of god 
as opposed to more materialistic approaches?
 

 I summarized what I thought to Ricky the other day. I will repeat. I am not a 
philosopher, I am not a scientist and I'm not religious. I do not talk about 
life - I live it as deeply and as intensely as I can. I think that those who 
have the patience and the time to listen to the great thinkers and the books of 
those who wish to try and figure out this mystery of God or no God are 
different from how I roll. I think the process of delving into the intellectual 
aspects of this subject can bring one closer to a deeper understanding, just by 
engaging in the process of intense enquiry. What I don't understand is Bawwy's 
lack of tolerance for those who chose to speak and think and write and 
contemplate about the existence of God. He simply dismisses it all as if he has 
it all figured out and would never consider any other possibility for how this 
existence is structured. In other words, he has closed himself off as if he was 
deaf, dumb and blind. 
 

 You see, I do believe there is something akin to God but this is what I have 
come to as a result of living for 57 years and having experienced what I have 
experienced. I will take experience over argument or debate (although these are 
both good things) but it does not seem that I can come to any other conclusion 
based on brilliant yet unprovable theories espoused through dialogue. What I 
know is that life is big, mysterious and extraordinarily beautiful and horrific 
at the same time. However, I think underneath it all lies an infinitely 
embracing love and glorious perfection that virtually no one is privy to while 
we still live and breath here on Earth. 
 

 So, debate away, compare ideas of great and not so great thinkers but I'll be 
out in the field stirring up dandelion fluff or inhaling the dander from some 
horse I'm grooming. Any of these things can bring us all to the same 
conclusions - none of which will be provable and yet the process of trying to 
discover and find out about God or no God is maybe more important than the 
answer.
 
 








 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 AWhat I don't understand is Bawwy's lack of tolerance for those who chose to 
speak and think and write and contemplate about the existence of God. He simply 
dismisses it all as if he has it all figured out and would never consider any 
other possibility for how this existence is structured. In other words, he has 
closed himself off as if he was deaf, dumb and blind. 
 

 Ann, there doesn't seem to be anyone here who feels the need to proclaim more 
loudly, I Am An Atheist than Barry.  But in practice and belief, he seems 
more a classic theist.  And perhaps this causes him some degree of cognitive 
dissonance. I say this because he seems to believe in an underlying 
intelligence.  (classic theism) He believes in rebirth, and surfing along on 
the Bardo. (standard Buddhist beliefs).  He doesn't want to take a stab at 
explaining how rebirth and the bardo might play out, preferring to use a 
blanket explanation that it plays out automatically, not realizing that 
automatically does not preclude a precise intelligence at work.
 

 But I think the perceived renegade status he gets by stating he is an 
atheist is too hard for him to pass up.  Even if he would be denied card 
carrying status.
 

 The other atheist here, at least seem more comfortable in that belief, (or non 
belief, I guess), and don't feel the need to repeatedly make that declaration.
 

 God Forbid, don't ask him to explain anything.
 

 That said, I do like him.
 

 Well, clearly, I don't. But when and if he ever reveals a side of himself that 
could change that, I am all ears and eyes and readiness to reverse my opinion.
 

 




 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version 
of the God Idea?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 All these words, talking about something that doesn't exist...
 

 It's enough to drive you crazy, ain't it? Too many big words in a row just 
flummox you. And those ideas...whew, way too hard to follow, especially if 
Despicable Me is more your speed.
 

 But what do you think of the metaphysical arguments for the existence of god 
as opposed to more materialistic approaches?
 
 
Try to remember who you're talking to, Salyavin. This is a person who actually 
believed Robin Carlsen was bright and charismatic and worth following as a 
spiritual teacher. Your question is like asking a fire hydrant to explain 
physics. :-)

 

 Poor, dear Bawwy. Robin would have been far too intellectual for you. You seem 
to have been drawn to the more flashier, vaudeville-style spectacle as 
allegedly displayed by your blow-dried and styled guru - Herr Frederick Lenz. I 
guess there are advantages to the 25 cent sideshow charlatans but they aren't 
my favorite. I like a little meat, something you can really put your teeth into 
when joining/choosing a cult.
 
 
























[FairfieldLife] Re: Never underestimate Americans' ability to practice denial

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I ate at Ruggeri's restaurant regularly as a kid.  My grandparents used to 
take me there.  And like most St. Louisan's, developed a love for toasted 
ravioli.
 

 That's wonderful that it still exists. Next time I'm in St Louis I'll check it 
out. The last time I was there was while attending MIU and we went on a field 
trip with the art department there. Great city.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Or their ability to prefer beliefs they're heavily invested in vs. a consensus 
of facts that dispute them...
 

 Staggering Number Of Americans Doubt Accepted Science 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/21/global-warming-evolution-and-the-big-bang-poll_n_5187624.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

 

 Isn't this sort of like that old Yogi Berra saying about eating at Ruggeri's 
restaurant, No one goes there anymore because it's so crowded.?
 

 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-21 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only 
guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to 
make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to 
try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the 
only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond 
very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that 
can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it.
 

 First Nabby, it's your opinion that MMY is a saint and for someone else to 
feel otherwise is hardly grounds for insults. It is just a difference of 
opinion. Bringing up Curtis' musical abilities (or lack of ability in your 
opinion) has nothing at all to do with MMY and how Curtis feels about him. I'm 
not trying to defend Curtis here, he doesn't require defending, but simply 
pointing out that referring to Curtis' musical pursuits in less than glowing 
terms has absolutely nothing to do with your differing opinions on Maharishi or 
theism or atheism or any other subject other than music. It's kind of like 
insulting someone's mother or bringing up the fact that they have a balding 
head or bad acne during a debate on climate change. 
 

 Just chalk it up to one of my little pet peeves if it was something less than 
what I am making it out to be. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 I appreciate the kind intention behind your post Ann, thanks.

All professional performing artists have weathered the real shit-storm of 
criticism which is the development stage where we are trying to match in 
execution what we hear or see in our heads. This is a long period of self 
flagellation where your chops are not able to pull off what you dream about. 
Then they begin to match more closely. This process continues forever as you 
set your own bar higher, but at some point for me I was sounding how I wanted 
to sound. I know some artists live in a world of the glass half full, but 
somehow I have a comfort with what I am doing while still keeping goals of what 
I want to do.

 I believe that it is the inner critic that is more responsible for derailing 
possible artists than external ones during the growth stage. You have to suck 
for a long time by your OWN standards to become a performer. I have taped my 
shows my whole career and notice that many performers hate to do this. I 
recently convinced a guitar student of mine to do this even though he really 
did not want to. But with that feedback, painful at first, he was able to 
tighten up all sorts of things quickly by hearing it all objectively after 
performing, and letting his inner critic have a voice. 

After I got the sound I wanted I had to find people who shared my taste. That 
is a key way to frame it because people who don't share my taste in blues style 
will NEVER like my music. And it goes both ways too. I had two gigs at the 
National Theater last week. It is a prestige gig and it gives me pride to say 
that I was chosen to play there. But inside it doesn't alter one bit how I feel 
about my music. When I saw the videos of my performances I still had things I 
wished I had done differently and things I was proud of by my own internal 
standard. The same mix just like EVERY other gig!

Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my 
music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself. Little do they know 
that their dickishnes could NEVER match the inner tyrant who drives me to be 
the kind of musician I want to be. And that is the one that I can never escape 
from. 

I'm sure you understand this from your own passionate pursuits. 



 




 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an 
ARTIST,

C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years 
to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they 
continue to insist that music is part of the arts.

N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig.

C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, 
so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like me by choice.
 

 LIke I've said before, I hate it when people attack the art of an artist in 
order to deal some sort of personal body blow that has nothing to do with the 
subject at hand. I love and respect your music and your drive toward the art 
form and the passion that characterizes the blues from the earlier time period 
you embrace. You put an incredible amount of energy and love into expressing 
that music and I really dig

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-21 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version 
of the God Idea?
 
 
 Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only 
guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to 
make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to 
try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the 
only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond 
very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that 
can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it.


So in other words you're ADMITTING to being a cultist, and to attacking someone 
personally because they dissed your cult leader Maharishi. Again, as with 
Richard yesterday, at least you admit it. Several here still cannot. 

A bunch of people here can't admit all sorts of things and who made you the 
police of the revelation and honesty brigade? You don't have the chops or the 
qualificationf  necessary for you to hold this self-appointed position here, 
Bawwwyyy.

 












 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities

2014-04-21 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
 
 
   I see what you mean about entities, or components
 

 And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate 
entities.
 

 You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking.  
 

 I look at the accounts and find many of them credible.
 

 And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts 
are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest 
such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be 
measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to 
acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to 
maintain order in this process..
 

 I am not saying it proves the existence of God.  All I am saying is that it 
might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked 
open. 








And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an 
imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. 

In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so 
uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in 
retaliation. 

If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone 
believing something different than you believe? You seem to pin almost your 
*entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in 
reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe 
that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. 

As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is 
something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they 
believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being 
kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't 
conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no 
intervention or supervision?

This is your never-ending tactic, Bawwy. First, you set yourself up as the 
independent thinker who doesn't give a shit about just about anything and then 
you proceed to berate and belittle anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do, 
all the while making up characteristics almost nobody here possesses just so 
you have an opportunity to make yourself feel superior in some way. You've got 
an interesting gig going and so, so predictable.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Another MIU shot

2014-04-21 Thread awoelflebater
Ah, the good old dorms and pods in the background. Here's one from my MIU days, 
probably around 1977.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Even though I happen to suspect that there may be something to the 
reincarnation thang, I see no need to provide proof of it because it's just a 
belief, and I don't much give a shit what others believe about my beliefs. As 
I've stated here several times, I won't know whether it's an accurate belief 
until I kick the bucket, and if the folks who believe that we just wink out 
like a light bulb turned off are right, I won't even be around to be 
disappointed. So I figure mine is a no down sides belief. That said, I would 
never presume to try to sell it to anyone else or feel the need to defend it. 
IT'S JUST A BELIEF. I think the world would be a better place if more people 
felt similarly about their beliefs.  :-)
 

 I have no real sympathy for it but the stories of the children that do 
remember things are fascinating. The Scottish boy who thought he lived on an 
island was taken there and behaved very oddly when they took him into what he 
thought was his house. It was quite upsetting to watch. I can see why anyone 
would have a job doubting his story.
 

 Lots of people wanted to get all James Randi on it and that would probably be 
impossible given the unpredictability and rarity of the phenomenon, not to 
mention it being potentially unfair on a three year old. 
 

 I always look for the ways in which things can't work but remain curious as 
it's one of those things that I'd take to be sure-fire proof that we don't know 
anything about what's going on here at all. And that would be cool indeed.

















Indeed. I simply cannot comprehend those who feel threatened when something 
challenges their beliefs.
 

 There are all sorts of people in the world who hang onto their beliefs, you 
included, but you always address your same old, same old viewpoints here as if 
FFL was crowded with people who feel threatened when something challenges 
their beliefs. These are imaginary people, Bawwy, people who you have made up 
in that coconut shell of yours. And certainly you do not have the the ability 
to challenge anyone's beliefs because there is not a soul here who takes you 
seriously enough to be effected. So, relax and turn on the tube.
 

  I've had things I had believed in blown out of the water so many times that 
I've actually come to enjoy it. Forget being reborn -- having to drop whatever 
you believed in before and start all over again is the real new start. 









 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not 
remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to 
fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to 
remember now and then.
 

 I would have to agree with you here, Xeno. I figure if I have been living in 
other bodies at other times or am destined to inhabit a body or bodies in the 
future the transparent thread that passes as something we know of as time is 
like a small curtain that is the transition between lifetimes and experiences. 
It is a continuum however you look at it, whether you are a cripple one moment 
of the belle of the ball the next.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Even though I happen to suspect that there may be something to the 
reincarnation thang, I see no need to provide proof of it because it's just a 
belief, and I don't much give a shit what others believe about my beliefs. As 
I've stated here several times, I won't know whether it's an accurate belief 
until I kick the bucket, and if the folks who believe that we just wink out 
like a light bulb turned off are right, I won't even be around to be 
disappointed. So I figure mine is a no down sides belief. That said, I would 
never presume to try to sell it to anyone else or feel the need to defend it. 
IT'S JUST A BELIEF. I think the world would be a better place if more people 
felt similarly about their beliefs.  :-)
 

 I have no real sympathy for it but the stories of the children that do 
remember things are fascinating. The Scottish boy who thought he lived on an 
island was taken there and behaved very oddly when they took him into what he 
thought was his house. It was quite upsetting to watch. I can see why anyone 
would have a job doubting his story.
 

 Lots of people wanted to get all James Randi on it and that would probably be 
impossible given the unpredictability and rarity of the phenomenon, not to 
mention it being potentially unfair on a three year old. 
 

 I always look for the ways in which things can't work but remain curious as 
it's one of those things that I'd take to be sure-fire proof that we don't know 
anything about what's going on here at all. And that would be cool indeed.

















Indeed. I simply cannot comprehend those who feel threatened when something 
challenges their beliefs. I've had things I had believed in blown out of the 
water so many times that I've actually come to enjoy it. Forget being reborn -- 
having to drop whatever you believed in before and start all over again is the 
real new start. 









 


 













[FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's 
epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which 
supposedly has a fault line running down it.

I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance.

PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if 
this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student 
there?! 
 

 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:03 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! 
 

 I guessed that. The question is a good one though; do people in vastu 
buildings get insurance for tornadoes and earthquakes?
 

 For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. 
Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts 
of campus?

 
And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and 
have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both 
flower and food gardens. 

If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student 
there?! It doesn't make any sense to me.
 

 Maybe he's angry that he threw his money into it thinking he was getting a top 
degree and has found himself somewhere he wouldn't have gone had he known the 
sort of group he was getting involved with?
 
 





 


 
Perhaps if the double wide trailer park they so ironically named Utopia Park 
was called something less flamboyant it wouldn't look quite so much like a 
slum. Perhaps if it was named Ditchdiggers Row or something it might appear 
more habitable.











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was 
floating to make sure he wasn't tricking everyone in some fashion?
 

 I think we can safely assume that no one did that MJ. First of all, it would 
be disrespectful to indicate one would doubt this levitation would happen and 
second the vibes were so far out no one would have been able to get out of 
their seat. It was all about the energy, man.
 
 On Sun, 4/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 12:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Just to follow up, Salyavin, what would you feel
 constituted sure-fire proof of something like
 reincarnation, or siddhis being performed? 
 
 I can speak to the latter somewhat, taking for example the
 siddhi of levitation. Video wouldn't do it, because
 14-year-olds can hack video these days to make it look like
 whatever they want it to look like. Demos in
 front of large groups of people wouldn't cut it, because
 then the it must have been mass hallucination
 folks would come out with that doubt-dick swinging. 
 
 One of the things I learned first from spending
 time with the Rama guy was that proof is
 overrated, as is the belief that it would mean anything to
 most people. I've sat in lecture halls with a guest who
 jumped in her seat and exclaimed loudly, Oh my God,
 he's floating! when Rama did his thing, but who
 the next day claimed she'd seen nothing. In her case, it
 was because she was a TB TMer, and it so severely challenged
 her world view to have seen something that supposedly
 isn't possible outside the TM movement in a room in the
 L.A. Convention Center. So she just chose to forget ever
 having seen it. I've seen other people do the same thing
 without the TM indoctrination; they just couldn't get
 past having seen what they considered to be the laws of
 nature being violated in front of their eyes, so they just
 metaphorically closed their eyes and pretended later not to
 have seen it. After having admitted at the time that they
 *had* seen it, that is...given a night or two to think about
 what having seen it would do to their world,
 they chose not to have seen
 it.
 I think this would happen with pretty much any
 sure-fire proof you could think up. Those
 who wish to believe would believe, and those who wish not
 to believe would not. I mean, there are people on this
 planet who still believe firmly that humans have never set
 foot on the moon, and what could have *been* more
 real-time documented than that
 event?
 The funny thing from my point of view is that I
 suspect that viewing video of siddhis being performed
 wouldn't do diddleysquat for the people viewing
 it, *even if they believed it to be true*. The reason I
 feel this way is that there is an *energy* that accompanies
 the performance of siddhis, and I seriously doubt that this
 energy could be captured on video. 
 
 The siddhi itself -- Big Whoop. Seen one,
 you've seen 'em all. But the *energy*?! THAT was
 transformative. Below I mentioned being blown out of
 the water in terms of having your current beliefs
 so challenged as to evaporate and go poof! Watching someone
 violate the supposed laws of gravity -- *in conjunction with
 that energy*, whatever it was -- was that kinda
 belief-challenging new start stuff, in spades. 
 
 Unless you blot it out of your mind and pretend
 that you didn't see it (like the people I mentioned
 above), you're pretty much stuck with some serious
 Cognitive Dissonance for the rest of
 your life. The *easy path* is to pretend you didn't see
 it. The hard path is to accept that you really DID see it,
 even if you have no idea what it was. 
 
 I saw what I saw, and experienced what I felt.
 I can't go back from that, and pretend that
 I didn't. 
 
 I don't claim to know what those
 experiences were, but they were mine, and I own them. I
 don't try to sell them to others, but I own them.
 I'll spend the rest of my life trying to figure out what
 some of them were. But I can't feel badly about *any* of
 them, because they were a real E-ticket ride and they were
 transformative, and they gave me more new starts
 than I can count. 
 
 
 From:
 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...
 To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com;
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday,
 April 20, 2014 1:32 PM
 Subject: Re:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in
 God?
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 This student's critique is hardly entirely fair.  I have a number of friends 
who live in Utopia Park and love it.  Many have lived there for years creating 
their own real nice domiciles.  It works good for some quite by choice.  The 
campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in 
the relative.  http://www.mum.edu/masterplan http://www.mum.edu/masterplan  
What does the kid expect, perfection?  Obviously this student is an entitled 
little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the 
culture of.  With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with 
this blogging.  Shame on him/her,
 Buck in the Dome
 Naw, it's fine. Blogging is blogging - just one person's subjective take on a 
topic. I think the picture of the yard was a stretch. After all, it simply 
resembles any municipal type yard that contains broken vehicles, recycling, 
yard waste etc. Big deal. And I think it's great that the pandits get a decent 
place to live, albeit rather institutional and lifeless looking from the 
exterior. Who says they should have inferior quarters to the students? But the 
double wides at, laughably, Utopia Park aren't too swift but what it implies 
I am not exactly sure. I'd like to see the other student residences and 
understand why and how different students rate different residences. Perhaps 
you could enlighten us on that.
  




Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an 
ARTIST,

C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years 
to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they 
continue to insist that music is part of the arts.

N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig.

C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, 
so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like me by choice.
 

 LIke I've said before, I hate it when people attack the art of an artist in 
order to deal some sort of personal body blow that has nothing to do with the 
subject at hand. I love and respect your music and your drive toward the art 
form and the passion that characterizes the blues from the earlier time period 
you embrace. You put an incredible amount of energy and love into expressing 
that music and I really dig it, on all sorts of levels. Just wanted to say that.












Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 I appreciate the kind intention behind your post Ann, thanks.

All professional performing artists have weathered the real shit-storm of 
criticism which is the development stage where we are trying to match in 
execution what we hear or see in our heads. This is a long period of self 
flagellation where your chops are not able to pull off what you dream about. 
Then they begin to match more closely. This process continues forever as you 
set your own bar higher, but at some point for me I was sounding how I wanted 
to sound. I know some artists live in a world of the glass half full, but 
somehow I have a comfort with what I am doing while still keeping goals of what 
I want to do.

 I believe that it is the inner critic that is more responsible for derailing 
possible artists than external ones during the growth stage. You have to suck 
for a long time by your OWN standards to become a performer. I have taped my 
shows my whole career and notice that many performers hate to do this. I 
recently convinced a guitar student of mine to do this even though he really 
did not want to. But with that feedback, painful at first, he was able to 
tighten up all sorts of things quickly by hearing it all objectively after 
performing, and letting his inner critic have a voice. 

After I got the sound I wanted I had to find people who shared my taste. That 
is a key way to frame it because people who don't share my taste in blues style 
will NEVER like my music. And it goes both ways too. I had two gigs at the 
National Theater last week. It is a prestige gig and it gives me pride to say 
that I was chosen to play there. But inside it doesn't alter one bit how I feel 
about my music. When I saw the videos of my performances I still had things I 
wished I had done differently and things I was proud of by my own internal 
standard. The same mix just like EVERY other gig!

Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my 
music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself. Little do they know 
that their dickishnes could NEVER match the inner tyrant who drives me to be 
the kind of musician I want to be. And that is the one that I can never escape 
from. 

I'm sure you understand this from your own passionate pursuits. 
 

 Thanks for the reply. I suspected as much with regard to the inner critic 
that must reside in all those who produce work or art that is laid out for the 
public to sample in some way. It is inevitable that the artist or writer or 
musician is going to be his or her harshest critic. We are often our own worst 
critics in everyday things, let alone in creative matters where a far deeper or 
vulnerable place within ourselves has to be put out there for others to 
touch/see/hear/feel. 
 

 I think it can be a bit like producing your home-bred puppy or prize petunia 
all the while bursting with anticipation and pride thinking the world is going 
to love them as much as you do only to be amazed when these things are deemed 
inferior or even ridiculous in some way. There are so many levels of work 
and/or creativity that are produced in various individuals and I have 
tremendous respect for those who have a passion or a deep need to pursue an art 
form or a craft, often seemingly for no other reason than because it is a 
passion - not for any other gain, monetary or otherwise, or need to be 
recognized for the sake of attaining some degree of fame or notoriety.
 

 Certainly, when you talk about the need to tape your own sessions and 
performances, this would seem logical and obvious for a performer to have to 
do. This can result in mortification; very few people like to watch themselves 
let alone listen to their own voices. It can be a shock for sure. Just having 
been behind the camera as well as in front of the camera  in various low-budget 
productions and documentaries, I have seen enough of myself to have gotten used 
to it over the years but it can produce an unpleasant sensation, especially 
initially, and I wasn't even performing something dear to my heart!
 

 Anyway, it always bothers me to see gratuitous insults slung around, 
especially when it involves someone's life's work. 



 




 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an 
ARTIST,

C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years 
to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they 
continue to insist that music is part of the arts.

N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig.

C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, 
so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 The concept of a God *complicates* things, rather than simplifying them. 
 

 That would be fine with me.  I am trying to go about understanding things, 
like most of us.  And for me, I've come to the conclusion that there is a 
higher power at work, even if there is much I don't understand about it. 

And I have come to the opposite conclusion. End of story. It would seem that 
there is nothing further to discuss, unless you feel the need to try to convert 
me to your conclusion. Me, I feel no such need. Believe whatever you want.  
 

 Barry, it is you who have lost your edge.  You would be well advised not to 
bring up subjects or issues that you are unwilling, or unable to follow through 
with.
 

 






























With all due respect, Steve, you seem to have been infected with JudyRobinitis, 
and expect me to argue with you just because you want to argue. I posted what I 
had to say, you had the opportunity to post what you had to say in response, 
and you did so. I even answered once. I don't see that I owe you anything 
more as follow up, just because you want to turn it into some mock debate 
that you feel you can win. 

If you have more to say, say it. The fact that you weren't able to put 
everything you wanted to say into your first reply post does not obligate me to 
get involved in a longer series of posts with you. Frankly, whenever someone 
does, you tend to just repeat yourself, rather than introducing anything new. 
I'd rather skip that part and stand on what I said originally. If you don't 
like what I said or disagree with it, feel free to post more about that to your 
heart's content. That doesn't require me to participate. 

This is all because you, Bawwy, are a solidified, narrow-minded and completely 
closed individual who is, by his own admission, unwilling or maybe even unable, 
to consider that his currently-held ideas and beliefs need modification. You 
are a freak of nature, as I have ascertained before. You are a fossil, a stone, 
petrified. You stay the same, you do not move. You might as well be dead. You 
are dead in all the ways that count. But then, I am talking to a deaf man, a 
blind man - someone who feels there is nothing left to know. Someone who 
refuses to allow anything to shake his fortified structures of belief. Add to 
that your odiousness and violence when these belief structures are questioned  
and we have one hell of an example of how humans can become so seriously 
isolated by their own choices and fears.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Ashes and Snow by Gregory Colbert

2014-04-19 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Glad you liked it. As Maharishi said to the CP's in Rishikesh: The 
relationship between man and animals is very delicate
 

 A deep relationship with any animal is a privilege.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Jennifer Aniston: Transcendental meditation keeps me looking good

2014-04-19 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jennifer Aniston: Transcendental meditation keeps me 
looking good
 
 
   You are still not too old for a little rejuvenation !
 
http://www.starpulse.com/news/Lucy_Hobson/2014/03/27/jennifer_aniston_transcendental_medita
 
http://www.starpulse.com/news/Lucy_Hobson/2014/03/27/jennifer_aniston_transcendental_medita

  

 






Ah, but some people seem to be. On the other hand, the last photo shows Girish 
Varma being arrested for rape, so at least one part of him has been 
rejuvenated... :-)

 

 Anybody else see the similarity in looks between Bevan and someone else on 
this list? Bevan could be his brother based on looks. It's just an observation, 
not a condemnation.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Ahh, but the metaphysical answer is that if you were still cognizant of who 
and what you were in that last incarnation, you would still be enamored or 
obsessed with the places and people you were with then, so that would interfere 
with getting on with your current life.
 

 Goodness knows we would't want that - there are so many things to be enamored 
or obsessed with in this life. Who'd have the time?
 
 On Sat, 4/19/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 19, 2014, 5:46 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@...
 wrote :
 
 And that is why I replied to
 Barry's request.  But then I was accused of
 pestering him to reply to me.
 But
 yes Richard, that is the issue that I think atheists
 don't want to go near.  
 They
 are better off staying in full denial, and passing off
 incidents that defy an easy explanation as just some sort of
 weird coincidence.  Science works in mysterious
 ways  or at least there is some scientific
 explanation for this or that occurrence, but the science has
 not progressed sufficiently to explain it.
  
 
 
 How do we explain things like a child being
 obsessed with events that took place before he was
  born, and knowing details about such events when he
 has had no exposure to them.
 How does
 something like that occur?
 A better question for you to ask would be, why
 doesn't it happen to everyone if reincarnation is a
 common occurrence? Why to so very
 few?
 One of the major stories I know of like that is of a
 Scottish boy who said he came from an island where planes
 land on the beach. It turns out there is one, called Barra.
 His family claimed there was no way he could have known but
 even when they were being interviewed there was a TV on in
 the background.
 I'm all for getting scientific about things like
 this but they are extremely rare and so not easy to test.
 Basically you have to iron out the possibility of them
 picking the information up anywhere else. The plural of
 anecdote really isn't data, I've yet to see a story
 like this that has reliable facts that are certain not to
 have been isolated from the
 child. 
 And like a lot of beliefs about the mind it lacks any
 known mechanism about how it might work, which doesn't
 mean it can't but it would also have to explain why it
 works so rarely. Tricky for something physical. If
 that's what it is. Everyone dreams for
 instance.
 Seems to me that knowledge of previous lives would be
 immensely useful, why do we forget it? 



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