[FairfieldLife] Re: Spam, Spammers and Spamming the FFL list
Buckster, Richard is rubbing off on you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Not all groups need to be open to everyone. Not every person needs to belong to every group. Groups have a right to protect themselves for the benefit of their membership. As we come together in this community group it is fine that we do not let spammers on to FFL as a moderation policy. Sincerely, -Buck Sure seems like it was dropped in here like some spam to dilute out the flow of the interest of this list here. Yes, on FairfieldLIfe most any topic goes related to the interest of seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. This post coming without any attempt at context related to Fairfieldlife clearly did not seem to relate to anything here, just like spam. On Fairfieldlife we often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement. Discussions also draw from diverse teachers such as Ammachi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Byron Katie, Dalai Lama, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Shankara, etc. Yes we all have delete keys, however towards the higher levels of our subject integrity on this Fairfieldlife list we do keep moderators on hand to guard and protect us as a community from spammers. We all should be on guard to report spam like that post to the Moderation here to keep track of. Thank you for your concern, -Buck authfriend writes: GET OFF IT, BUCK. You know who raunchy is; you know it isn't spam; and you know we're free to post anything here that others may find of interest, and that most certainly includes net neutrality Stop trying to intimidate would-be posters who don't know any better into thinking they can only post spiritual stuff. Is this drive-by Spam? What exactly does this have to do with the Spiritual Regeneration and FairfieldLife? -Buck raunchydog@... wrote : Email to Tom.Wheeler@... supporting net neutrality by Sandy Dockendorff: I sent an email to the FCC chairman expressing my concern about losing net neutrality. I have to give him kudos for responding - though I am not naive enough to think he sent a personal response... or that he had anything to do with sending the response. I AM concerned that this means that there are very few people actually contacting the FCC about this issue. There is very little that is more sacred to a robust democratic society than the free exchange of ideas and information. In the US today, our broadcast and print news media is owned by a mere handful of people. This, in and of itself, is wrong. Please do not compound that error by giving another handful of people the means by which to stifle communications and creativity through control of the internet. Strong voices for good are not always well funded and those who need to hear words of encouragement and knowledge most are seldom those with the means to pay to find them. Public schools and libraries are underfunded in much of the country and these are the access points for many people who do not have any other means to access the internet. Putting content behind corporate pay-walls will further erode the ability of these institutions to meet the needs of those people. In rural areas where we continue to fight to provide even the most basic access to the internet, allowing corporate entities to provide faster access to those who can pay more means many of those who cannot pay more simply cannot access content at all. This is not a free market issue. Further, the FCC is not supposed to be an advocate for corporate entities, but for the people of our country. There is nothing good to be gained by taking this action. It will not increase jobs, it will not increase access to information so people might create their own jobs, it will not promote economic growth. All it will do is decrease access to internet content for a great deal of our population, decrease competition, siphon more money from the poorer to the richer, and one more foundation of our democratic society will have been demolished. How to bring net neutrality back from the dead by Cannonfire: Contact the Commissioners via E-mail Chairman Tom Wheeler: Tom.Wheeler@... Commissioner Mignon Clyburn: Mignon.Clyburn@... Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel: Jessica.Rosenworcel@... Commissioner Ajit Pai: Ajit.Pai@... Commissioner Michael O’Rielly: Mike.O’Rielly@... To call and contact commissioner’s offices, call 1-888-225-5322. In addition, call your elected representatives. Tell them if net neutrality is ended, you will hold them accountable by withholding your vote. Both parties hope to control the senate after the mid-term elections, so you have more power than usual to let them know they are losing your vote if they fail to take action to stop the FCC proposal. The number for Congress is 202-224-3121. There's also a petition. http://www.popularresistance.org/internet-for-the-wealthy/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweatshirt weather in Leiden and no work to do
Re: It's like I'm being paid to become Cliff Clavin, and fill my mind with useless but fascinating trivia. This is funny Barry! As I recall, Bob was the first one to point this specific analogy out to you. Ha. Have a selfless weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dyi1qRyXfE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dyi1qRyXfE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Oh woe. I was wrong about the First Noble Truth and life really *is* suffering. Not. I plan to spend much of my Day Off today lounging in canal-side cafes such as this one, officially Fucking Off. It's not that I mind work. It's actually pretty fascinating work, rendering scientific research into English, so I get to learn a lot of fascinating shit. It's like I'm being paid to become Cliff Clavin, and fill my mind with useless but fascinating trivia. But I've gotten pretty fast at it, so I often (like this week) manage to churn out my weekly quota of articles in four days, and wind up being able to take the whole weekend off. Now that the weather is better, this is officially a Good Thing. Relatively speaking, of course. For me it's a Good Thing because I'll get to sit in more cafes like this one and write more Friday Turq Raps. For others, it may not be such a Good Thing because they have to click past more Friday Turq Raps. Now, what to rap about? How about this cafe? It's on one of the main canals of Leiden, near the town hall and where the open market happens Wednesdays and Saturdays. Today it's less crowded, of course, and I'm sitting at an outside table at a place called Vooraf en Toe. Don't ask me what it means...probably Kick me in the af with your toe in Dutch...but it's the Artists' Cafe here in Leiden. It's where most of the producing artists and musicians who live here hang out. As you might imagine, it's one of my favorite hangoouts. It's the Leiden counterpart of Downtown Subscription in Santa Fe, where I whiled away many a happy hour. Artists are a cool group to hang with. At least in Santa Fe and here in Leiden. If they've decided to live in either place rather than New York or London or Paris, they're usually Cool Artists, meaning that they've gotten past most of the ego games that proliferate in the art world. Paris was bloody insufferable in terms of ego. You felt like you had to take a shower after returning from an art opening. But here...different story, and different crowd. I've been to openings of some of the artists sitting around me, and some of their work is quite good. Some of it. But all of the artists I've met themselves, whatever I may think of their work, have been pretty cool froods. Even the ones who are internationally famous and thus might feel entitled to push out a lot of ego manage to avoid doing so. Go figure. I tend to go here when I've had my fill of FFL. :-) There is a certain joy -- at least for me -- in finding a group of sympatico people who don't feel the need to push out their egos. That was what made Santa Fe so special. And in Sauve, in the south of France. You'd meet megafamous people there, and if you didn't know beforehand that they were famous, nothing they'd ever say or do would lead you to suspect that they were. I had a female drinking and conversation buddy in my fave bar in Santa Fe for three years before I ever learned that she was an heiress and an artist worth zillions of dollars. And even then, someone else had to tell me. It had just never come up in conversation, so it had never come up. Artists and performers who are like that when you meet them are rare, but that makes them even more refreshing when you run into them. I hear Bonnie Raitt is like that. I know that Bruce Cockburn is like that, although he becomes shy when he figures out you've recognized him. Gene Hackman was like that in Santa Fe, and so was Robert Redford when I ran into him once by accident, which one might expect less. Compare and contrast to other celebs, like Val Kilmer. Val lived in Santa Fe, too, and the best contrast I can provide to the other named celebs is to tell a story. I was having a drink at the bar of a favorite hangout and I noticed the waitresses drawing straws from a cocktail glass, obviously to settle a matter of dispute. I asked them what was up. One of them said, Oh, we've just heard that Val is coming in tonight for dinner. I said, Oh, so you're drawing straws to see who gets to wait on him? She replied, No, we're drawing straws to see who HAS to wait on him. 'Nuff said about Val, but he really does provide the perfect contrast to those who *don't* push out their egos. Anyway, this has nothing to do with Fairfield Life, where as we know no one has an ego any more, after their respective decades of spiritual practice. And certainly no one pushes out an image of themselves that they are clearly attached to. So I guess you can file this particular Friday Turq Rap in the box labeled,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some Nice Points If You Have An Animal (or human) in Your LIfe
I love this Ann and how it speaks to the art of listening and what the term respect means in a larger sense. Real communication with another grounded in humility and not the self-centered need to be heard on our own misguided terms so many times, is the hardest thing to learn, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : If you are standing next to your horse and he looks away, do you think he’s distracted or even disrespectful? When your horse yawns, is he sleepy or bored? If he moves slowly, is he lazy? These are important cues from your horse, are you hearing him correctly? When it comes to communicating with horses, some humans are a bit like a self-obsessed rock star who throws a temper tantrum and trashes the room, but then assumes everyone wants his autograph. By equine standards, we ignore those around us and begin by screaming bloody-murder and escalate from there. Part of respecting a horse is remembering that their senses are much keener than ours. We can whisper. It is just like man’s vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions. ~Mark Twain. Horses give us calming signals, just like dogs. Norwegian dog trainer and behaviorist Turid Rugaas wrote about it in 2005. She coined the phrase calming signals to describe the social skills, or body language, that dogs use to avoid conflict, invite play, and communicate a wide range of information to other dogs. Calming signals in horses are somewhat similar and include looking away, having lateral ears, yawning, stretching down, licking lips or eating to calm themselves. Can you recognize them? Calming cues communicate stress, and at the same time, release stress. It is modeling behavior for us; they want us to drop our stress level, or aggressiveness as well. When a horse looks away, either with his eyes or whole head and neck, it is a calming cue. He uses a signal like this when he feels pressured and wants the rider to know he senses the person’s agitation or aggression, but that person can calm down because he is no threat to the human. In the horse’s mind, he is communicating clearly and with respect. Do you pull his head back and force his position? It’s human nature to turn up our volume if we think we aren’t being heard and maybe the hardest thing about listening to calming signals is that they kind of poke our dominant parts. So when the horse signals us to be less aggressive, but we mistakenly hear it as boredom or distraction or even disobedience, and then follow that up with a larger cue, we’re starting a fight. We’re letting the horse know we choose aggression over peace. Is that what you meant to say? Or is the appropriate positive response from a good leader to de-escalate the situation? It is just like man’s vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions. ~Mark Twain. (It deserves repeating.) If riders want to understand the language of horses, we need stop seeing our horses in our own worst image (lazy or distracted) and begin a conversation where we listen more openly, more honestly. It’s much too simplistic to lump everything a horse does into either dominant or submissive behavior. Herd life has much more nuance than that. As social animals, they work to get along, encouraging others to cooperate. Even dominant boss mares give calming cues. We can build trust with the horse if we learn to respect calming signals, and even reward them. In my training, the best calming signal I have is my breath. I can slow it down, emphasize the exhale, and just be still at the end. Using our breath is a huge aid that horses pay attention to, so much more than humans realize. Each time I start work with a horse, I ask for his eye, using my eye. I want him to volunteer. If my horse looks away, I take a deep breath, acknowledge the moment, and go slow. Usually on my second or third breath, he’ll look back and tell me he’s ready. It’s a short wait, compared to putting fear or resistance in that eye. Reading horse body language takes some quiet time to learn, and they aren’t all exactly alike. Some horses are so shut down, so overwhelmed by us pounding on them in the past, that they have no calming cues at all, but you can remind him. Calming is a good thing, no matter who cues it. If you are thinking of tuning up your communication skills with your horse, I really recommend ground work. It’s my favorite thing about the Horse Agility we do here at Infinity Farm in the summer. Obstacles are great conversation starters with a horse, and if the human can get past needing to dominate the obstacle, communication can be eloquent, with understanding and a healthy give-and-take reasoning. And it all translates to the saddle later. Now that I think about it, when I meet someone who is loud or aggressive, I tend to look away, too. Sometimes I turn my shoulders sideways
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised?
What *you* have said doesn't make any sense at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Girish is a billionaire. It doesn't make much sense that he would have to resort to threats to have sex. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Dunno anything about Girish Varma except that many people who are hostile to Maharishi are also hostile to him. The accusation of rape is interesting because the behavior allegedly lasted for about 15 years, and involved the wife of his assistant being invited to accompany her husband on trips so that Varma would be able to access the room of the husband and wife whenever he wanted while the husband was doing errands for Varma. According to the wife, this allowed Varma to have sex with her over a period of 15 years whenever her husband went out. The wife kept her mouth shut on the threat that her husband and she would lose their jobs if she said anything. The husband says that he knew nothing of the arrangement until about a year or so ago when he was fired, and his wife was fired, thereupon she confessed the arrangement to him and they went to the police. This is India we are talking about, so I nave no idea how plausible the scenario is within that culture. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Richard, the way you snip changes up the context and mostly serves your sense of humor and ego, not the integrity of whatever it is that you are commenting on. The way that Judy snips, for example, is for the purpose of retaining the essence and readability of a discussion, given Neo's limitations on handling long posts. I was thinking of you, when I wrote this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:01 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Reads just fine to me. Snipping this will only confuse those who want to follow the discussion, like myself. Thanks for snipping, Emily! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Reads just fine to me. Snipping this will only confuse those who want to follow the discussion, like myself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : My responses are interwoven into her last post. I marked our responses with our initials before each response. In my web browser it shows up right at the top of all the discussion posts in this thread. Snipping anything often leads to accusations around here so I stopped doing it. But if you just read the top of the pile you are reading the most recent. I don't know how to format it any better than that. Your input would be welcome Richard. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 11:24 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Look, this was your idea, Curtis. You wrote: I claim that all the proof contain either an unsupported premise or invalid inductive logic. If I pick one to show you what I mean by example, you will claim, 'that was not the good one, you cherry picked.' It's almost impossible to follow this thread anymore because it's not formatted for easy reading and reply. I don't even know who is saying what. Have any of you guys ever considered snipping? It's not complicated. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Barry is scared of introspection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : With all due respect, Steve, you seem to have been infected with JudyRobinitis, and expect me to argue with you just because you want to argue. I posted what I had to say, you had the opportunity to post what you had to say in response, and you did so. I even answered once. I don't see that I owe you anything more as follow up, just because you want to turn it into some mock debate that you feel you can win. If you have more to say, say it. The fact that you weren't able to put everything you wanted to say into your first reply post does not obligate me to get involved in a longer series of posts with you. Frankly, whenever someone does, you tend to just repeat yourself, rather than introducing anything new. I'd rather skip that part and stand on what I said originally. If you don't like what I said or disagree with it, feel free to post more about that to your heart's content. That doesn't require me to participate. It is not problem Barry. I am only doing what you are doing - putting something out there. I do not care if you reply or not. I am sorry you interpret it as if am trying to engage you, or have some expectation that you need to reply. I think you may have developed some hyper sensitivity in that area. BTW, I was expecting the comparison to Judy to come up at some point. Now, throwing in Robin, well that was a little unexpected. (-:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.
Re: One janitor I know is still working there after twenty-five years.. Is it a failure that he is still a janitor? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/18/2014 8:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Spoken like the puffed up with TM specialness fool you are. If you had ever served on staff at MIU you would have heard Big Bopper Bevan speak many times to the staff on the total importance of the dedicated staff in serving Marshy and the Movement and bringing the world to enlightenment. We were the guys who baked the bread, cleaned the toilets, washed the sheets and kept the heating and ac going. But your arrogance doesn't allow you to appreciate the everyday joes who actually allow your big shot gurus to live in luxury, do you? Well, I became a big shot through hard work. Not special because of TM - I started out as a janitor at the school worked my way up from there - I had the will power to persevere and follow the rules. It is just amazing how may janitors never took a single course at the college, and the courses were FREE. Go figure. One janitor I know is still working there after twenty-five years. He must have seen countless generations graduate in his time. All schools need janitors, but at some point you need to take on some responsibility and stop blaming others for your failures. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.
It is pretty great they offered the courses for free. Glad you availed yourself of the opportunity. I knew a janitor who worked his career at the UW and not only enjoyed what he did, but was able to retire with enough to support he and his wife, albeit with a little downsizing, but who cares about all the stuff anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 11:38 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: One janitor I know is still working there after twenty-five years.. Is it a failure that he is still a janitor? Not if you enjoy cleaning up after adolescent children all day and night for twenty years for minimum wage. What I couldn't understand is why most of the staff didn't take some free courses at the college. In two years, I saw kids get degrees and certifications and start making some real money. One student I knew went through the two-year RN program and is now making $75,00 a year. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Re: Rama walked on air. He appeared to glide over the desert sands as if boards with rollers were attached to his legs. His legs appeared as light beams that formed triangles at the bottom. Richard, you are soo JELLOS! I know, deep down, you just wish you had seen this. Did you ever take hallucinogenics? If you did, and they were any good, you should be able to relate ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 12:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I'm all for getting scientific about things like this but they are extremely rare and so not easy to test. According to Barry, the Rama levitation event happened hundreds of times and thousands of people witnessed it, so it wasn't that rare. It wouldn't be very difficult to test - Randi could set up a lab test, but Rama is dead now and he didn't teach Barry the secret. Maybe Rama reincarnated as Barry - they both like dogs and stage shows. But, since Barry was already born by the time Rama offed himself, maybe instead of reincarnating as Barry, Rama just took over the Barry body and mind - sort of like in the movie Transcendence. That would explain some things, like why Barry likes movies so much and electronic music, just like Rama. Go figure. Rama walked on air. He appeared to glide over the desert sands as if boards with rollers were attached to his legs. His legs appeared as light beams that formed triangles at the bottom. http://www.meditationclub.com/LastIncarnation.pdf http://www.meditationclub.com/LastIncarnation.pdf This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Well, I certainly am glad that you have reduced the number of your special posts to just over a hundred last week - still topping the leader board though. No shit, Sherlock. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 11:29 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: They are better off staying in full denial, and passing off incidents that defy an easy explanation as just some sort of weird coincidence. Barry posted that when Rama filled the whole lecture hall with golden light, that he wasn't all that impressed - he figured it was just another guy who could do cool things with light. So, when was the last time you witnessed ANYONE levitating, surrounded by a bright golden light? Instead of denying this incident, Barry used it to make himself look special on a discussion group. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.
Well, to quote Steve here as a response to your idea of bettering yourselfAnd again, I feel the spiritual path is what makes life meaningful, but that path take on many forms. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 1:00 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: It is pretty great they offered the courses for free. Glad you availed yourself of the opportunity. Most schools have programs for staff so they can take courses free or at a discount - it's a win-win arrangement. I knew a janitor who worked his career at the UW and not only enjoyed what he did, but was able to retire with enough to support he and his wife, albeit with a little downsizing, but who cares about all the stuff anyway. There are always a few who really do enjoy being poor and working at menial jobs. The large majority of janitorial staff live below the poverty level. People should be encouraged to take courses at a community college in order to achieve financial independence. When it's free, there's just not much excuse to not avail yourself of some education and to try and better yourself. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.
What did you do with the MS in Psychology? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I worked at MIU for 3 years and received one whole school year for free, tuition, room, board, the whole kit and caboodle, MA in SCI! And then they gave me a scholarship to earn the MS in Psychology! On Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:35 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 4/19/2014 1:00 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: It is pretty great they offered the courses for free. Glad you availed yourself of the opportunity. Most schools have programs for staff so they can take courses free or at a discount - it's a win-win arrangement. I knew a janitor who worked his career at the UW and not only enjoyed what he did, but was able to retire with enough to support he and his wife, albeit with a little downsizing, but who cares about all the stuff anyway. There are always a few who really do enjoy being poor and working at menial jobs. The large majority of janitorial staff live below the poverty level. People should be encouraged to take courses at a community college in order to achieve financial independence. When it's free, there's just not much excuse to not avail yourself of some education and to try and better yourself. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why morality is important in reaching enlightenment.
Ahhh.good place to put that degree to work. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Came to the Funny Farm Lounge... On Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:44 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: What did you do with the MS in Psychology? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I worked at MIU for 3 years and received one whole school year for free, tuition, room, board, the whole kit and caboodle, MA in SCI! And then they gave me a scholarship to earn the MS in Psychology! On Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:35 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 4/19/2014 1:00 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: It is pretty great they offered the courses for free. Glad you availed yourself of the opportunity. Most schools have programs for staff so they can take courses free or at a discount - it's a win-win arrangement. I knew a janitor who worked his career at the UW and not only enjoyed what he did, but was able to retire with enough to support he and his wife, albeit with a little downsizing, but who cares about all the stuff anyway. There are always a few who really do enjoy being poor and working at menial jobs. The large majority of janitorial staff live below the poverty level. People should be encouraged to take courses at a community college in order to achieve financial independence. When it's free, there's just not much excuse to not avail yourself of some education and to try and better yourself. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Do you think he would have known the difference? AnyhooI just laugh at your obsession with using poor dead Fred as a baseball bat to hit Barry over the head with. Are you getting the mileage you are looking for? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 1:04 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: Rama walked on air. He appeared to glide over the desert sands as if boards with rollers were attached to his legs. His legs appeared as light beams that formed triangles at the bottom. Richard, you are soo JELLOS! Why should I be JELLOS of Barry? I know, deep down, you just wish you had seen this. Did you ever take hallucinogenics? If you did, and they were any good, you should be able to relate Yes, but Barry said it was real, not a hallucination. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous
Reading the article by Douthat reminded me of this in that Denys truly does justice to the point that yes, there is more to mystical consciousness than meets the eye. Yes, I am reading it very slowly and I often flip back and realize that the way it read the first time I read it is not the way it reads the second and I love books like that - there are many beautiful sentences/passages in that book. I am completely blown away by the comprehensive way that Denys builds his discussion, the concepts and supporting information he pulls in (each of which I have to look up) and the way he presents the discussion and does beautiful justice to it all (so far at least). He, himself, is a pretty fascinating guy and clearly he does write to think. smile. I'm headed to the ocean for a few days. The dog needs a vacation. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, super, Emily. That is NOT easy reading; I really had to struggle with it. It seems like one has to master a whole new conceptual vocabulary, but it's worth it. I found the ideas exhilarating once I'd caught on, and it sounds as if you do too. Both Ehrenreich and Douthat should read it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Scientists need to get some philosophy under their belts so they see what the problem is. I'm reading that Denys Turner book you posted here awhile back. Loving it - dense as it is. I can pick it up and open it to any place and be surprised over and over at the way it affects me. It's all new to me and I find it fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Glad you enjoyed it, Emily. It certainly is an unusual pair of pieces to appear in the NYTimes! Her new book, from which she adapted her piece, has created something of a stir. From what I understand, it's completely unlike anything she's ever written and has really startled people who were familiar with her work and thought they knew who she was and what she stood for. Must have taken guts to publish it. And so odd to for her to have had that wild experience a half-century ago but not really have tried to come to terms with it until very recently. But it's great to see somebody of stature saying, WAAAIT a minute, folks, there's more going on here than you realize. You can't just shut it out and pretend it doesn't exist. On the other hand, I think Douthat nails it where scientific investigation is concerned. We are still SO far away from understanding everyday consciousness, let alone mystical, nuomenal consciousness. But boy, it's long past time for science to start taking it seriously and realizing the limits of neuroscience to figure it out. Scientists need to get some philosophy under their belts so they see what the problem is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Judy, wonderful post. I loved Ross Douthat's article. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73, she's still an atheist): http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html Response by NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat (not an atheist) pointing out that her call for science to investigate mystical experiences in depth is premature because science doesn't yet understand ordinary experience well enough: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/ http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous
I *loved* that sentence also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This bit made me laugh: In my experience, those who make the most theatrical display of demanding “proof” of God are also those least willing to undertake the specific kinds of mental and spiritual discipline that all the great religious traditions say are required to find God. The experience she had is quite interesting though, and proof that we have an inner world that can go a bit screwy occasionally. But where does the feeling of wisdom that we designate god come from? We know that consciousness is a group experience of many parts of the brain pitching in, perhaps there's a bit confirms to us when we are on the right track about something and reward us with some chemical that feels profoundly wise (mescalin?) when other bits that help self-regulation step offline for a minute we can be overwhelmed by unified wisdom. An unbalancing of what we think of as ordinary experience. Let's not forget these experiences are part of the continuum reported by schizophrenics, who are understood to have a fracturing of their normal day-to-day reality. My best guess is that our inner picture takes so much energy and complicated processing to keep going that it's bound to get in a muddle every now and again. Mostly it will be bad (mental illness) but sometimes good (mystical experience). I'm sure everyone gets things like this, especially when they are younger and in the grip of hormonal changes, I certainly did. My first mystical experience was while walking through a meadow aged 10 (ish) . Suddenly the world revealed a hidden depth, a silent vastness behind reality that was also part of it. Very profound vision and stayed with me also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73, she's still an atheist): http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html Response by NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat (not an atheist) pointing out that her call for science to investigate mystical experiences in depth is premature because science doesn't yet understand ordinary experience well enough: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/ http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous
For different reasons than you, I'm sure though. Ha. Time for bed over here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I *loved* that sentence also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This bit made me laugh: In my experience, those who make the most theatrical display of demanding “proof” of God are also those least willing to undertake the specific kinds of mental and spiritual discipline that all the great religious traditions say are required to find God. The experience she had is quite interesting though, and proof that we have an inner world that can go a bit screwy occasionally. But where does the feeling of wisdom that we designate god come from? We know that consciousness is a group experience of many parts of the brain pitching in, perhaps there's a bit confirms to us when we are on the right track about something and reward us with some chemical that feels profoundly wise (mescalin?) when other bits that help self-regulation step offline for a minute we can be overwhelmed by unified wisdom. An unbalancing of what we think of as ordinary experience. Let's not forget these experiences are part of the continuum reported by schizophrenics, who are understood to have a fracturing of their normal day-to-day reality. My best guess is that our inner picture takes so much energy and complicated processing to keep going that it's bound to get in a muddle every now and again. Mostly it will be bad (mental illness) but sometimes good (mystical experience). I'm sure everyone gets things like this, especially when they are younger and in the grip of hormonal changes, I certainly did. My first mystical experience was while walking through a meadow aged 10 (ish) . Suddenly the world revealed a hidden depth, a silent vastness behind reality that was also part of it. Very profound vision and stayed with me also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73, she's still an atheist): http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html Response by NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat (not an atheist) pointing out that her call for science to investigate mystical experiences in depth is premature because science doesn't yet understand ordinary experience well enough: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/ http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russia and China announce decoupling trade from Dollar
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, it looks like a good book and he looks like a serious thinker. Unless something extraordinary happens, I do think the whole kit and caboodle is gonna come crashing down. At least that's what I'm hoping (-: Actually I wonder if a third world country would be the best place to be... On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:29 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, I've also heard some prediction that the US will go through a really difficult time and then return even stronger. But my guess is that it won't return in the form that it is now. I think there will be huge upheavals and many will go through transformations. So many that the current structures simply will fall away. At least that's what I'm hoping (-: Nah, we're all doomed: http://www.policymic.com/articles/85541/nasa-study-concludes-when-civilization-will-end-and-it-s-not-looking-good-for-us http://www.policymic.com/articles/85541/nasa-study-concludes-when-civilization-will-end-and-it-s-not-looking-good-for-us Actually Share, I know you like to read, this is a good and well researched book on the subject of our immanent demise: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Users-Guide-Crisis-Civilization-Save/dp/0745330533 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Users-Guide-Crisis-Civilization-Save/dp/0745330533 The how to save it part at the end is a bit of a joke, tagged on to make anyone scared by the rest of it to think that someone in a position of power might one day do something anything about any of it. But they are all too busy feathering their nests and convincing the voters that letting the wealth accumulate at the top is the best way to make a fair society. On Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:35 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: They will be no long term decline, the United States will enforce it's dominance over the whole world in a few short years. May God help us all. If you think capitalism will take a dip just to return even stronger than before please think again. It's understandable that the huge transformations that is coming is not yet grasped by most people who cling to the glamour of money and power. There will be no Age of Enlightenment, Golden Age, Age of Aquarius, New Age or whatever you wish to call it if the economic structures of this planet isn't completely restructured and gains a new foundation based on sharing and brotherhood. I doubt you are so foolish as to believe that the gross unbalance and injustice in the use and distribution of resources of this planet where thousands of children die every single day of hunger can go on indefinitely. When Maharishi said capitalism will go he meant it will be replaced but didn't go into the details of what that will be. Benjamin Crème has indicated that the new system of economics that will replace the current financial system in the aftermath of the huge coming crisis (forget 1987 or 2008 think much worse than 1929) will be modeled along the social-democratic systems practiced in northern Europe. And yes, it definitely incorporates some degree of socialism which will secure food, medical care and shelter for all no matter where you live on this planet. You might find it useful to get used to the idea. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 1989 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Im not a fan of American style capitalism but the reality is the United States is going to adapt and come out stronger than ever within a short time. When it comes to the current excesses, even the Republicans will come to realize what reforms they have to make in order to continue to thrive. NYC is Invincible, it is really the financial capital of the US economic system and in not too long America will be truly Invincible. They will be no long term decline, the United States will enforce it's dominance over the whole world in a few short years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous
Judy, wonderful post. I loved Ross Douthat's article. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73, she's still an atheist): http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html Response by NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat (not an atheist) pointing out that her call for science to investigate mystical experiences in depth is premature because science doesn't yet understand ordinary experience well enough: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/ http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Studying the numinous
Scientists need to get some philosophy under their belts so they see what the problem is. I'm reading that Denys Turner book you posted here awhile back. Loving it - dense as it is. I can pick it up and open it to any place and be surprised over and over at the way it affects me. It's all new to me and I find it fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Glad you enjoyed it, Emily. It certainly is an unusual pair of pieces to appear in the NYTimes! Her new book, from which she adapted her piece, has created something of a stir. From what I understand, it's completely unlike anything she's ever written and has really startled people who were familiar with her work and thought they knew who she was and what she stood for. Must have taken guts to publish it. And so odd to for her to have had that wild experience a half-century ago but not really have tried to come to terms with it until very recently. But it's great to see somebody of stature saying, WAAAIT a minute, folks, there's more going on here than you realize. You can't just shut it out and pretend it doesn't exist. On the other hand, I think Douthat nails it where scientific investigation is concerned. We are still SO far away from understanding everyday consciousness, let alone mystical, nuomenal consciousness. But boy, it's long past time for science to start taking it seriously and realizing the limits of neuroscience to figure it out. Scientists need to get some philosophy under their belts so they see what the problem is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Judy, wonderful post. I loved Ross Douthat's article. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : A fascinating exchange of views... Opinion piece in the NYTimes by Barbara Ehrenreich, rationalist author and political activist (and atheist), about the change in her perspective on life wrought gradually over many years by a mystical experience she had as an adolescent (note: at age 73, she's still an atheist): http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sunday/a-rationalists-mystical-moment.html Response by NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat (not an atheist) pointing out that her call for science to investigate mystical experiences in depth is premature because science doesn't yet understand ordinary experience well enough: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/ http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/how-to-study-the-numinous/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So, you think you can dance?
Judy, Judy, Judy! I am laughing so hard the tears are running down my cheeks. Isn't this the truth! Ah ha ha ha.so good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : This is for you, Emily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBUChBG98Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBUChBG98Q Ha. It was a beautiful line from Share to Emily, I thought. No one dismisses her posts better than Share does. Well, took you long enough! I first posted this. Share's response was Thanks, Emily. I admit I've never developed an appreciation for jazz. Maybe next lifetime smile. Then, Nabby went hog wild and posted it from every country he could find. Now, you have jumped on the happy train, hopefully working up a few more dance steps. I feel kind of sorry for Share, all this happiness to deal with, even though it is a song from her favorite movie, Despicable Me 2. It's all part of her journey to full development, I guess. I wouldn't categorize this song as jazz, far from it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So, you think you can dance?
Well, took you long enough! I first posted this. Share's response was Thanks, Emily. I admit I've never developed an appreciation for jazz. Maybe next lifetime smile. Then, Nabby went hog wild and posted it from every country he could find. Now, you have jumped on the happy train, hopefully working up a few more dance steps. I feel kind of sorry for Share, all this happiness to deal with, even though it is a song from her favorite movie, Despicable Me 2. It's all part of her journey to full development, I guess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So, you think you can dance?
Ha. It was a beautiful line from Share to Emily, I thought. No one dismisses her posts better than Share does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Well, took you long enough! I first posted this. Share's response was Thanks, Emily. I admit I've never developed an appreciation for jazz. Maybe next lifetime smile. Then, Nabby went hog wild and posted it from every country he could find. Now, you have jumped on the happy train, hopefully working up a few more dance steps. I feel kind of sorry for Share, all this happiness to deal with, even though it is a song from her favorite movie, Despicable Me 2. It's all part of her journey to full development, I guess. I wouldn't categorize this song as jazz, far from it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Octarium
Hi Raunchy. Thank you for posting this. It is a beautiful song sung with beautiful voices. Best to you, Em.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
You betcha John, us womenfolks, we base our votes on the important stuff, like how many times George Clooney has been titled sexiest man of the year...or, have I misinterpreted you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, If George Clooney ever gets married, it is also possible that he'll get involved in politics. This is due to the exalted Sun in his chart. Can you imagine him as the next president of the US? I would bet many of the women votes will go to him if he ever runs for any political office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I wouldn't be surprised if his current girlfriend, Amal Alamuddin is the one. She is also a super star in her field, law, which is not only different than his, but one he can respect. I couldn't find any info on her birthday other than the year. Friends are quoted as saying they expect him to pop the question any day now! On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:31 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Yes, he does have an exalted Sun. In Bhrigu Nandi Nadi jyotish, it means that his father was very successful. He also has an exalted Venus, which refers to his aunt, since Venus is next to the Sun. His aunt is further a well known musical celebrity herself. In addition, this Venus holds the key for knowing his future wife. She too will be well known and very beautiful. She will be almost like a royalty. So, it appears that George is looking for this lady to marry. If he can't find her, he'll remain a bachelor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, George Clooney's birthday is May 6, 1961 so right away we know something important: exalted Sun! On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:29 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I'd be interested to look at his jyotish chart. He probably has a yoga for bachelorhood, but not necessarily celebate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, he has often stated that he never intends to marry. In fact, he broke up with one girlfriend simply because she admitted in an interview that she wanted to marry someday and have children. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:33 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Now that you've mentioned it, I've always wondered why George Clooney is still single after dating all of those gorgeous women he was associated with in the past. Now, he's got a new girlfriend again. One wonders if he'll ever get married. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, beauty is a fascinating topic from many angles. For example, I can totally see why people say that George Clooney is very handsome, etc. But there are other actors who I find far more attractive. Go figure! On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:49 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, As the old saying goes, Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. But I imagine, the artistry lies in combining different colors, along with the shades of dark and light. I remember one painting style which makes the portrait look crystal clear. I don't how it's done. But I appreciate it's because I can't see that clearly without my glasses. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I understand what you're saying. Van Gogh is not one of my favorite artists and it has nothing to do with his mental situation. I am also mystified as to why some artists' works fetch such a high price. OTOH, I walk into an art gallery and immediately find the work that I absolutely love. Though I don't understand my preferences, I trust them. And enjoy... On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:40 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Judy, I'm still puzzled at how these art critics can proclaim the works of Van Gogh to be artistic genius. From what I understand, when he painted his self-portrait, he was already insane. And, if he were alive today, he'd be astonished that his paintings are now valued in millions of dollars. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I seriously doubt he'll sell them (he might give away a few to friends). The best of them will probably end up in his presidential library for the public to see. In any case, if art collectors were to get hold of them, they'd be valued only as curiosities. They're hardly works of artistic genius. Salyavin, It all depends if he can sell these artworks for millions during his lifetime, and if the art collectors in the future would value them like those of Van Gough and Monet. But I would have to give him credit for expanding his creative talents after leading the US into expensive war campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
Well, while it is true that your statement is Greek to me, it does jibe generally with the saying that behind every great man is a great woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Emily, I'm trying to describe the unusual feature in Clooney's chart in simple terms. In other words, his tenth house, representing his career, is not very strong since Mars, the 10th lord, is placed in the sixth house. Ordinarily, this would mean that this person will have difficulty in having a successful career. However, in Clooney's chart, the lord of the sixth house is the Moon, a feminine planet, which is placed in the 12th house of loss. In jyotish, this means that he has a Viparita Yoga. This means that, despite the weakness of the indicators, it becomes good for him--in fact, the yoga gives him success and money. In other words, the female population (represented by the Moon) will somehow save his career, and even the rest of his enemies will recognize this draw and would follow him. Thus, it results in a victory for him which is essentially the reason why he is so popular right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : You betcha John, us womenfolks, we base our votes on the important stuff, like how many times George Clooney has been titled sexiest man of the year...or, have I misinterpreted you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, If George Clooney ever gets married, it is also possible that he'll get involved in politics. This is due to the exalted Sun in his chart. Can you imagine him as the next president of the US? I would bet many of the women votes will go to him if he ever runs for any political office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I wouldn't be surprised if his current girlfriend, Amal Alamuddin is the one. She is also a super star in her field, law, which is not only different than his, but one he can respect. I couldn't find any info on her birthday other than the year. Friends are quoted as saying they expect him to pop the question any day now! On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:31 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Yes, he does have an exalted Sun. In Bhrigu Nandi Nadi jyotish, it means that his father was very successful. He also has an exalted Venus, which refers to his aunt, since Venus is next to the Sun. His aunt is further a well known musical celebrity herself. In addition, this Venus holds the key for knowing his future wife. She too will be well known and very beautiful. She will be almost like a royalty. So, it appears that George is looking for this lady to marry. If he can't find her, he'll remain a bachelor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, George Clooney's birthday is May 6, 1961 so right away we know something important: exalted Sun! On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:29 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I'd be interested to look at his jyotish chart. He probably has a yoga for bachelorhood, but not necessarily celebate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, he has often stated that he never intends to marry. In fact, he broke up with one girlfriend simply because she admitted in an interview that she wanted to marry someday and have children. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:33 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Now that you've mentioned it, I've always wondered why George Clooney is still single after dating all of those gorgeous women he was associated with in the past. Now, he's got a new girlfriend again. One wonders if he'll ever get married. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, beauty is a fascinating topic from many angles. For example, I can totally see why people say that George Clooney is very handsome, etc. But there are other actors who I find far more attractive. Go figure! On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:49 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, As the old saying goes, Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. But I imagine, the artistry lies in combining different colors, along with the shades of dark and light. I remember one painting style which makes the portrait look crystal clear. I don't how it's done. But I appreciate it's because I can't see that clearly without my glasses. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I understand what you're saying. Van Gogh is not one of my favorite artists and it has nothing to do with his mental situation. I am also mystified as to why some artists' works fetch such a high price. OTOH, I walk into an art gallery and immediately find the work that I absolutely love. Though I don't understand my preferences, I trust them. And enjoy... On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:40 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Judy, I'm still puzzled
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
That's funny. I did think they were better than anything he ever did as president. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Erm, I was being sarcastic. How about: his talent as a painter is exceeded only by his talent as a foreign diplomat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dmevans365@... wrote : Absolutely. I saw these and was pretty impressed with his talent. I wish he'd never gone into politics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link below. What do you think? He's a better artist than he was a president. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/ http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
That's funny too. Hey, I look at those portraits and I recognize their likeness. Personally, I have zero ability in the arena of portraiture. For me, even a paint by numbers canvass would generate something a 5-yr old might do. I am more abstract spatially. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Really ? Looks like the people he did portraits of has serious skin-diseases. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dmevans365@... wrote : Absolutely. I saw these and was pretty impressed with his talent. I wish he'd never gone into politics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link below. What do you think? He's a better artist than he was a president. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/ http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That isn't a very high bar. ;-) The portraits are better than that. Yes. He could have pursued a different career. They really are quite good. They're not just likenesses; True. (I'm working on conflict avoidance. Oh dear.) most of them tell you something about the personalities as Bush perceived them. That's funny. I did think they were better than anything he ever did as president. :) Erm, I was being sarcastic. How about: his talent as a painter is exceeded only by his talent as a foreign diplomat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dmevans365@... wrote : Absolutely. I saw these and was pretty impressed with his talent. I wish he'd never gone into politics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link below. What do you think? He's a better artist than he was a president. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/ http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
Re: trying to play President I always had that impression also; total fish out of water and an idiot to boot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : He probably should have been an artist and stayed out of the family business. He always seemed uncomfortable trying to play President. On 04/05/2014 05:45 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link below. What do you think? He's a better artist than he was a president. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/ http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dubya's Artworks
I wonder if that is how he sees his father when he looks at him. It is very odd; in fact it is more a caricature of him - almost cartoon-like. H It *is* funny how he painted himself, trying to look stately, or something. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I read that he only started painting in 2012. That's amazing. The Dalai Lama is nice...but I don't get the sense that Bush had much insight into him. The one of his father is just inexplicable; it doesn't even look like him, and there's no sense whatsoever of the personality that I can see. The Putin portrait is apparently Bush's favorite. It's certainly scary, but I'm not sure what it's saying about Putin. My favorite is the Blair; that man is haunted, not a happy fella. The Bush we love to hate shows up pretty clearly in the self-portrait... Yes, I know what you mean. He's one of those people that make me grind my teeth in anger. It's a surprise that he has any interests other than playing golf. But he has got a way of catching people - sometimes - his one of the Dalai Lama is well jolly. Hitler's stuff gets pooh-poohed but I like it, seems quite subtle to me and I like that type of European scenery anyway. But people are way harder to paint. The Putin one scares me, I hope that isn't an accurate insight ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : IMO, if he were to take lessons in painting technique, it might kill what talent he has. The portraits, at least, are to my eye very right-brained; he has just enough technique to be able to do a recognizable likeness and get his very vivid sense of the personality on the canvas. If he had to think too much about what he was doing, it could get in the way of that process. Maybe if he'd started studying when he was much younger it would have become second nature by now. I'm startled, frankly, that he has as much insight into people as the portraits reveal. There's a lot more in them than in anything Hitler ever painted, as far as I'm concerned. If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I might buy a portrait or two if they were for sale and the price was reasonable (thousands, not millions). I'm surprised at myself that I find them so appealing, because I REALLY hate Bush! I'd like to know how much they would go for. Not sure how much of a draw his name would be even as the work isn't that good. Hitler's watercolour daubings would probably sell for a lot even though they aren't anything special. I suppose it's what history thinks of the celeb doing the work. Dubya needs training too much and that's obvious, so they won't be going for the sort of stupid prices a Van Gough or Monet would. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, It all depends if he can sell these artworks for millions during his lifetime, and if the art collectors in the future would value them like those of Van Gough and Monet. But I would have to give him credit for expanding his creative talents after leading the US into expensive war campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : George W. Bush has recently displayed his works of art, as shown in the link below. What do you think? He's a better artist than he was a president. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/ http://news.yahoo.com/photos/portraits-by-george-w-bush-slideshow/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
And yet, the word sacrifice bothers you. Share, in all your posts to Ann, you try to find a way to try and show that you are one upping her or, mostly, you work to throw dirty dish water or treat the essence of what she says with contempt (even if you acknowledge them, as you did here). But, but, but...it is one of the reasons you can't hold a real conversation; one must be able to hold someone else's perspective and deal with it respectfully. You aren't doing the Libra thing here. Stop trying to figure - that might help. I have to leave for the day, so won't be able to reply to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thank you for these beautiful points, Ann. Now I'll do the Libra thing and mention how ancient people would eat various body parts of slain enemies to ingest their courage, etc. Go figure! On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:05 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I think you can find all manner of opinions about communion. I just mentioned that as one comment I once heard. As rituals go,it seems okay to me. Is it hurting anyone? Not that I can see. Does it bring people some measure of comfort, or spiritual upliftment? It seems to. There was a theoophist, C.W. Leadbetter, (yes, the same one MJ regularly castigates), who said that the whole ritual leading up to the communion involves angels creating a sort of celestial altar culminating in the actual communion. So, there's a comment on the other end of the spectrum. My wife and kids regularly get communion. Communion is an apt word. There are lots of ways of coming into contact or communion with a thing and many of them physical. Eating something or making love to someone places those entities, the subject, as close as you can get to really being inside yourself. This is a really good example of a willingness to hold that person or that thing as close to you as physically possible (being actually inside). So, it is a powerful image and a powerful show of willingness to be in total communion with a thing. Eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ is rather symbolic and not the same (for me) as eating the arm of my husband so I have no problem with the concept or actual practice of Holy Communion in the context of the Catholic Church (I am Catholic, although not practicing). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I didn't know that about Communion, that some people think of it as cannabalism. I can see how they might think that. As for me, I've never been comfortable having some of the wine, which is allegedly become the blood of Christ. Maybe the early Christians morphed what Jesus did at the Last Supper to something more similar to what the pagans were doing. Similar to how they stole some of the pagan holidays. What I look forward to is when the huge field of neuroscience, psychoneuroendocrinology, etc. can provide some plausible explanations for some of our so called spiritual experiences. I mean, is the love of a mother for her newborn simply a chemical event precipitated by a huge increase in oxytocin?! On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:39 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Share, some people compare it to cannibalism. I don't. I don't see anything wrong with it. As rituals go, it seems as good a one as any. I don't know if it was corrupted along the way somehow. It's been a while since I've read the Bible, but supposedly that's the way it played out at that Passover Supper. Not that it matters, but I think the new Pope is quite a breath of fresh air. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, one of the meta issues that fascinates me about all this is how in Catholicism we supposedly ingest the body and blood of Christ. What it suggests to me is something that the mythologist Joseph Campbell might notice, that in all cultures around the world, there's some notion of ingesting the other when it comes to humans and divinities. Must be something physically in the human brain about that. Does that sound far out? On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:50 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Michael, I wish I knew more about Soma, about the Vedas, about the Vedic Gods. But I don't. There are some who think it is all a bunch of jibberish. I think Barry may be in this camp, and I hope I am not misrepresenting him. But I do generally have respect for ancient traditions. And I think most traditions have a more superficial aspect and a deeper, hidden aspect. I think the teachings of Jesus show this as well. What you relate about Maharishi's comments about Soma being produced in the gut, and God's feasting on it, doesn't really strike me as that strange. I think it's probably standard stuff in some schools of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
Just doing the Libra thing here, Share. Smile. You can't see yourself objectively; you don't know yourself as well as you think you do, imho. Have a good day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, I am adding another point to what I think is a multi faceted and therefore fascinating topic. You completely misinterpret me here as I think you often do. On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:25 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: And yet, the word sacrifice bothers you. Share, in all your posts to Ann, you try to find a way to try and show that you are one upping her or, mostly, you work to throw dirty dish water or treat the essence of what she says with contempt (even if you acknowledge them, as you did here). But, but, but...it is one of the reasons you can't hold a real conversation; one must be able to hold someone else's perspective and deal with it respectfully. You aren't doing the Libra thing here. Stop trying to figure - that might help. I have to leave for the day, so won't be able to reply to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thank you for these beautiful points, Ann. Now I'll do the Libra thing and mention how ancient people would eat various body parts of slain enemies to ingest their courage, etc. Go figure! On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:05 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I think you can find all manner of opinions about communion. I just mentioned that as one comment I once heard. As rituals go,it seems okay to me. Is it hurting anyone? Not that I can see. Does it bring people some measure of comfort, or spiritual upliftment? It seems to. There was a theoophist, C.W. Leadbetter, (yes, the same one MJ regularly castigates), who said that the whole ritual leading up to the communion involves angels creating a sort of celestial altar culminating in the actual communion. So, there's a comment on the other end of the spectrum. My wife and kids regularly get communion. Communion is an apt word. There are lots of ways of coming into contact or communion with a thing and many of them physical. Eating something or making love to someone places those entities, the subject, as close as you can get to really being inside yourself. This is a really good example of a willingness to hold that person or that thing as close to you as physically possible (being actually inside). So, it is a powerful image and a powerful show of willingness to be in total communion with a thing. Eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ is rather symbolic and not the same (for me) as eating the arm of my husband so I have no problem with the concept or actual practice of Holy Communion in the context of the Catholic Church (I am Catholic, although not practicing). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I didn't know that about Communion, that some people think of it as cannabalism. I can see how they might think that. As for me, I've never been comfortable having some of the wine, which is allegedly become the blood of Christ. Maybe the early Christians morphed what Jesus did at the Last Supper to something more similar to what the pagans were doing. Similar to how they stole some of the pagan holidays. What I look forward to is when the huge field of neuroscience, psychoneuroendocrinology, etc. can provide some plausible explanations for some of our so called spiritual experiences. I mean, is the love of a mother for her newborn simply a chemical event precipitated by a huge increase in oxytocin?! On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:39 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Share, some people compare it to cannibalism. I don't. I don't see anything wrong with it. As rituals go, it seems as good a one as any. I don't know if it was corrupted along the way somehow. It's been a while since I've read the Bible, but supposedly that's the way it played out at that Passover Supper. Not that it matters, but I think the new Pope is quite a breath of fresh air. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, one of the meta issues that fascinates me about all this is how in Catholicism we supposedly ingest the body and blood of Christ. What it suggests to me is something that the mythologist Joseph Campbell might notice, that in all cultures around the world, there's some notion of ingesting the other when it comes to humans and divinities. Must be something physically in the human brain about that. Does that sound far out? On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:50 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Michael, I wish I knew more about Soma, about the Vedas, about the Vedic Gods. But I don't. There are some who think it is all a bunch of jibberish. I think
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
Corrected... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : And yet, the word sacrifice bothers you. Share, in all your posts to Ann, you try to find a way to try and show that you are one upping her or, mostly, you work to throw dirty dish water on her points or treat the essence of what she says with contempt (even if you acknowledge her thoughts, as you did here). But, but, but...it is one of the reasons you can't hold a real conversation; one must be able to hold someone else's perspective and deal with it respectfully. You aren't doing the Libra thing here. Stop trying to figure - that might help. I have to leave for the day, so won't be able to reply to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thank you for these beautiful points, Ann. Now I'll do the Libra thing and mention how ancient people would eat various body parts of slain enemies to ingest their courage, etc. Go figure! On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:05 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I think you can find all manner of opinions about communion. I just mentioned that as one comment I once heard. As rituals go,it seems okay to me. Is it hurting anyone? Not that I can see. Does it bring people some measure of comfort, or spiritual upliftment? It seems to. There was a theoophist, C.W. Leadbetter, (yes, the same one MJ regularly castigates), who said that the whole ritual leading up to the communion involves angels creating a sort of celestial altar culminating in the actual communion. So, there's a comment on the other end of the spectrum. My wife and kids regularly get communion. Communion is an apt word. There are lots of ways of coming into contact or communion with a thing and many of them physical. Eating something or making love to someone places those entities, the subject, as close as you can get to really being inside yourself. This is a really good example of a willingness to hold that person or that thing as close to you as physically possible (being actually inside). So, it is a powerful image and a powerful show of willingness to be in total communion with a thing. Eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ is rather symbolic and not the same (for me) as eating the arm of my husband so I have no problem with the concept or actual practice of Holy Communion in the context of the Catholic Church (I am Catholic, although not practicing). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I didn't know that about Communion, that some people think of it as cannabalism. I can see how they might think that. As for me, I've never been comfortable having some of the wine, which is allegedly become the blood of Christ. Maybe the early Christians morphed what Jesus did at the Last Supper to something more similar to what the pagans were doing. Similar to how they stole some of the pagan holidays. What I look forward to is when the huge field of neuroscience, psychoneuroendocrinology, etc. can provide some plausible explanations for some of our so called spiritual experiences. I mean, is the love of a mother for her newborn simply a chemical event precipitated by a huge increase in oxytocin?! On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:39 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Share, some people compare it to cannibalism. I don't. I don't see anything wrong with it. As rituals go, it seems as good a one as any. I don't know if it was corrupted along the way somehow. It's been a while since I've read the Bible, but supposedly that's the way it played out at that Passover Supper. Not that it matters, but I think the new Pope is quite a breath of fresh air. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, one of the meta issues that fascinates me about all this is how in Catholicism we supposedly ingest the body and blood of Christ. What it suggests to me is something that the mythologist Joseph Campbell might notice, that in all cultures around the world, there's some notion of ingesting the other when it comes to humans and divinities. Must be something physically in the human brain about that. Does that sound far out? On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:50 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Michael, I wish I knew more about Soma, about the Vedas, about the Vedic Gods. But I don't. There are some who think it is all a bunch of jibberish. I think Barry may be in this camp, and I hope I am not misrepresenting him. But I do generally have respect for ancient traditions. And I think most traditions have a more superficial aspect and a deeper, hidden aspect. I think the teachings of Jesus show this as well. What you relate about Maharishi's comments about Soma being produced in the gut, and God's feasting
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
My apologies Share. I was just checking to see if my conscience was working. It is! I will refrain from posting to you. How was what you posted a Libra thang - did you mean that you were operating to balance? Was there a need for that? Rather, it was consistent with the overall theme of ingesting. I was balancing, by providing you with an alternative perspective on your unconscious MO. WAIT! Maybe this is it...I found this on the internet...Inside, the Libra is very insecure, they suffer from a lack of self confidence, they are always searching for something to complete them. Keep ingesting, Share. Love, Emily. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Corrected... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : And yet, the word sacrifice bothers you. Share, in all your posts to Ann, you try to find a way to try and show that you are one upping her or, mostly, you work to throw dirty dish water on her points or treat the essence of what she says with contempt (even if you acknowledge her thoughts, as you did here). But, but, but...it is one of the reasons you can't hold a real conversation; one must be able to hold someone else's perspective and deal with it respectfully. You aren't doing the Libra thing here. Stop trying to figure - that might help. I have to leave for the day, so won't be able to reply to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thank you for these beautiful points, Ann. Now I'll do the Libra thing and mention how ancient people would eat various body parts of slain enemies to ingest their courage, etc. Go figure! On Friday, April 4, 2014 9:05 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I think you can find all manner of opinions about communion. I just mentioned that as one comment I once heard. As rituals go,it seems okay to me. Is it hurting anyone? Not that I can see. Does it bring people some measure of comfort, or spiritual upliftment? It seems to. There was a theoophist, C.W. Leadbetter, (yes, the same one MJ regularly castigates), who said that the whole ritual leading up to the communion involves angels creating a sort of celestial altar culminating in the actual communion. So, there's a comment on the other end of the spectrum. My wife and kids regularly get communion. Communion is an apt word. There are lots of ways of coming into contact or communion with a thing and many of them physical. Eating something or making love to someone places those entities, the subject, as close as you can get to really being inside yourself. This is a really good example of a willingness to hold that person or that thing as close to you as physically possible (being actually inside). So, it is a powerful image and a powerful show of willingness to be in total communion with a thing. Eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ is rather symbolic and not the same (for me) as eating the arm of my husband so I have no problem with the concept or actual practice of Holy Communion in the context of the Catholic Church (I am Catholic, although not practicing). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I didn't know that about Communion, that some people think of it as cannabalism. I can see how they might think that. As for me, I've never been comfortable having some of the wine, which is allegedly become the blood of Christ. Maybe the early Christians morphed what Jesus did at the Last Supper to something more similar to what the pagans were doing. Similar to how they stole some of the pagan holidays. What I look forward to is when the huge field of neuroscience, psychoneuroendocrinology, etc. can provide some plausible explanations for some of our so called spiritual experiences. I mean, is the love of a mother for her newborn simply a chemical event precipitated by a huge increase in oxytocin?! On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:39 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: You know Share, some people compare it to cannibalism. I don't. I don't see anything wrong with it. As rituals go, it seems as good a one as any. I don't know if it was corrupted along the way somehow. It's been a while since I've read the Bible, but supposedly that's the way it played out at that Passover Supper. Not that it matters, but I think the new Pope is quite a breath of fresh air. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, one of the meta issues that fascinates me about all this is how in Catholicism we supposedly ingest the body and blood of Christ. What it suggests to me is something that the mythologist Joseph Campbell might notice, that in all cultures around the world, there's some notion of ingesting the other when it comes to humans and divinities. Must be something
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Sharon, I think I figured it out. You were jealous yesterday, weren't you? Was I butting in on your guy? You like to feel like you are at the top of the heap. This is why you took those gratuitous pot shots at me that had no explanation or reason behind them. Just vacuous attack language from you - your dark side coming out. Tap on that Sharon, tap on that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Find your inner Finn!
Beautiful. I am Vellamo - (Continuously flowing water) Kukkamaki (Flower hill). Someday, I'd like to visit my homeland. I am 1/4 Finnish. The interview of Jimmy Kimmel with the Finns on the link you posted yesterday was a kick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : http://www.visitfinland.com/ http://www.visitfinland.com/ Finngenerator...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Buck, I will do penance today and pray for Sharon and for Richard and for Barry and for you and for the rest of the FFL community. I have no intention to be unkind; I was simply calling a spade a spade, given Sharon's unkind remarks to me yesterday. They do not seem to be rooted in knowledge of much; perhaps if she spends more time in the Dome and less time making gratuitous remarks, she will transcend her self. Sharon and Richard, I hold no animosity towards you and that is the truth. Post away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Dear FFL Moderators; Please stop this before it gets any worse. This particular thread is heading out in to the sea of needless mean unkindness. Could you please have these people take their personal stuff off line. That would be nicer and more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. If they can't be civil staying within broad FFL subject then banish them quickly from the community. “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” Thankful for Your Quick Attention to this urgent matter, -Buck in the Dome emilymaenot writes: Sharon, I think I figured it out. You were jealous yesterday, weren't you? Was I butting in on your guy? You like to feel like you are at the top of the heap. This is why you took those gratuitous pot shots at me that had no explanation or reason behind them. Just vacuous attack language from you - your dark side coming out. Tap on that Sharon, tap on that. sharelong60 writes: Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
You are right! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 2:37 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: No Richard, you said today we went to this place and you posted a picture. You are incorrect: I posted today we went to this place along with a photo I took of the Genius Bar at the local Apple Store in the Mall of the Americas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap Keep tapping Share, keep tapping. May it bring you the effect and change you desire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a straightforward idea as you say. On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:57 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not use an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is using an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily
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Below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. Emily, there are only two reasons Willytex keeps harping on this. First, he's jealous of anyone who has had spiritual experiences he hasn't, which kinda includes everybody, but especially anyone who says he's witnessed siddhis being performed. Second, he keeps doing it in the hope he'll push my buttons and get a rise out of me. He does this because when I or anyone else is critical of Maharishi, that pushes *his* buttons. What he doesn't realize is that I got out of the defending Rama or even defending my experiences with him rut years ago. Yes, it seems that you did. I am trying to help Richard move along as well as he has been harping on dead Rama now for several years now, at least; perhaps Rama is bothering him from the other side? :) Fred Lenz needed a lot of attention. The other aspect of all of this that continues to baffle me, just for the record, is how incredibly hung up people seem to be on the flashy stuff, like levitation. I've been there, done that with witnessing that, and I really don't understand their obsession. We witnessed this kinda stuff so often that it quickly became ho-hum. And I was never there for the flash anyway; the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). Whatever else he may have been (including being a charlatan and more than a bit of a dick), he could meditate like gangbusters. There was no issue of stilling thoughts sitting in those rooms with him; the silence was so powerful that you simply *couldn't* have thoughts. I think this is the main point; the flash served as the hook or draw, but there was *something* that was more meaningful happening below the surface for many that he was able to facilitate (at least in the early years) before he succumbed fully to the dark side of himself, so to speak. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
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It would be nice Turkey, if you would stop with the punk ass name calling. It is so uncreative; it is so rude. It is so unneccesary and reflects on you so badly. IMHO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think my family kinda nailed it. Once you understand that she's a psychotic cult bitch, what more is there to learn? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Why do we all need to understand your opinion, Judy?! And even if we do, what then?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What we all need to understand about Share is that for her, avoiding acknowledging reality is a WIN; that's what she enjoys. It makes her feel SMART to mislead, to be disingenuous, to twist words, to obfuscate, even to lie outright. What she doesn't realize is that she's not very good at it, so it actually makes her look DUMB because what she's doing is so obvious. Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a straightforward idea as you say. Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not use an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is using an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you
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Turkey, Judy is not psychotic. Judy is not in a cult. Judy is not a psychotic cult bitch (I don't even know what that means, to be honest - sounds like something that would have been more appropriately assigned to Rama). The fact that you live with a family of writers is irrelevant to your use of this lame term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It is also accurate, and the most concise way to express it. I live with a family of writers. From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today It would be nice Turkey, if you would stop with the punk ass name calling. It is so uncreative; it is so rude. It is so unneccesary and reflects on you so badly. IMHO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think my family kinda nailed it. Once you understand that she's a psychotic cult bitch, what more is there to learn? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Why do we all need to understand your opinion, Judy?! And even if we do, what then?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What we all need to understand about Share is that for her, avoiding acknowledging reality is a WIN; that's what she enjoys. It makes her feel SMART to mislead, to be disingenuous, to twist words, to obfuscate, even to lie outright. What she doesn't realize is that she's not very good at it, so it actually makes her look DUMB because what she's doing is so obvious. Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a straightforward idea as you say. Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not use an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is using an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do
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Share, Judy is stating her understanding of how and why you behave like you do to the larger FFL group. This is her right on this forum and I find it insightful, personally, given my last attempt at an exchange with you. You are not able to control who chooses to post on any particular thread; that is the nature of a public forum. This has been made clear to you many, many, times. Ask yourself why you refuse to understand this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Why do we all need to understand your opinion, Judy?! And even if we do, what then?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What we all need to understand about Share is that for her, avoiding acknowledging reality is a WIN; that's what she enjoys. It makes her feel SMART to mislead, to be disingenuous, to twist words, to obfuscate, even to lie outright. What she doesn't realize is that she's not very good at it, so it actually makes her look DUMB because what she's doing is so obvious. Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a straightforward idea as you say. Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not use an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is using an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you
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Below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 10:52 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Is this relevant to anything or anybody? Only to those invested in the TMSP. Oh...well, that would be Barry, right? The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? The only respondent on FFL that answered yes was Barry, who claimed he had seen Rama levitate hundreds of times. My question is, how is this possible? It's not a really difficult question to answer. Then why do you keep asking it? You've answered yourself many times; you must not be comfortable with your answer. Here's what Shemp McGurk thought of Barry's claim: Why do we care what he thought on this long, long, ago? It all goes back to one's definition and context of what real means in terms of a subjective experience. We've been over that recently. What is confusing for you? To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? - Shemp McGurk Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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*You* stated that monkeys were flying and levitating, both, out of your rear end. You stated it so many times that it seemed you were, in fact, stuck in this delusion. For all your focus on Fred Lenz, you appear not to have read any of the first-hand experiences of the many students that experienced what they say they did. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion that he is a magician. He's dead now, so you won't be able to check it out yourself, personally, with him. What is your point in obsessing on dead Fred? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Thanks Richard! Just curious. I'm going to take a mental health day as it is sunny outside and I hope you do too - actually, you might think about taking a mental health week or two, given the number of monkeys that have been flying out your ass. Monkeys can't fly, Emily, whether out of my ass or anywhere else. But, I'd say the chances of a monkey flying are better odds than Fred Lenz levitating up in the air in a cloud of golden light, even one inch.
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Why are you asking all these questions here on FFL years after Fred is dead? Why do you want to know? Why don't you post to a Rama site? Why are you so obsessed with Fred? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). So, I wonder why after all those years and all those dollars spent on Rama seminars, Lenz never transferred enlightenment to Barry? And, what happened to all the money? Go figure. Rama (Dr. Frederick Lenz) was an American Buddha whose life was dedicated to teaching meditation and transmitting enlightenment. http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz
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And how many years ago was that? Why do you give a rats ass? Why don't you update the question and ask it of someone who is currently involved, like Share, for example. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Only to those invested in the TMSP. Oh...well, that would be Barry, right? Yeah, he said he gave the TMO $5,000 to learn the TMSP. So,I was just wondering if he learned anything about that, and why he would then give Lenz another $10,000 more just to watch Fred levitate. It just doesn't make any sense. Now it looks like Barry has done a 180 and sounds more like John Knapp or Mike Doughney. Go figure.
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Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Ohh, finally, your point. Well, I was happy recently that Judy a definition of what a True Believer is. I liked it. Are you a True Believer per the definition below? I am definitely not one. True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and they can't tolerate situations in which: a. the truth is unknown b. the truth is midway between extremes c. simply unknowable d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others.
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Do you think he needs almost or more than 200 posts a week to make this insight clear to you? Do you think he could communicate this in 10? After all, he isn't the only one who says enjoy life and don't take yourself too seriously. Are you just learning this? In your case, my opinion is that you should take yourself a little more seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Share, you are in love. Richard, the woman just can't get enough of your insights; act like a gentleman and try not to lead her on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, I find the majority of Richard's posts delightful so even 300 would be fine with me. Go figure! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:05 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Do you think he needs almost or more than 200 posts a week to make this insight clear to you? Do you think he could communicate this in 10? After all, he isn't the only one who says enjoy life and don't take yourself too seriously. Are you just learning this? In your case, my opinion is that you should take yourself a little more seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Share, do you care to answer Richard's direct question to you as stated below? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
Share, her continual use of 'we' is not a true representation. Prove it. The key word you need to worry about here is continual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ok, thanks turq and Mr. Twain. Judy does claim to be an editor so I guess that explains her continual use of we when posting on FFL. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Judy, now you're sounding down right looney to me! For example, who is this we you're pretending speak for? Maybe it's the royal we. MPD we? I shall defer to Mark Twain: Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'
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Share, what the heck do you mean by this? Try and be clear with me. Are you warning Richard about me? Or are you alerting him to the fact he's about to step into a rabbit hole that continues down through the earth's core to the other side of the planet and the space beyond? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Share, come on now. Why are you warning Richard about me? Why do you see an endless rabbit hole dead ahead? Give me some feedback worth something; what you've said is meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, yes and yes. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:30 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, what the heck do you mean by this? Try and be clear with me. Are you warning Richard about me? Or are you alerting him to the fact he's about to step into a rabbit hole that continues down through the earth's core to the other side of the planet and the space beyond? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
Richard, that is not what Share asked. And nobody said it wasn't fun. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 10:55 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: We know better how to deal with you when we know what drives you. We don't expect you to behave like a normal person who doesn't stand on their head to avoid reality, who doesn't think it's fun to mislead and obfuscate and be disingenuous and lie outright the way you do. It is kind of fun to realize that Judy has probably never used an Apple app, and to watch her mislead and obfuscate and be disingenuous and nit-picky with Share about it, when Share acts like a normal person and asks what kind of place is a Genius Bar at an Apple Store in the mall. Who wouldn't think that's fun?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
Re: a discussion board dedicated to yogic flying. Richard, maybe you ought to explore the value of sitting still with no thoughts and determine if there is a purpose for yourself. You are sounding confused as to the purpose of this discussion board. And at close to, or over, 200 posts a week, to this forum alone you clearly have more thoughts than you can deal with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 11:00 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Barry also thinks it's FUN to lie and mislead, etc., etc. He knows I'm neither psychotic nor a cultist; he also knows he is vastly more bitchy than I am. If his family really thinks I'm a psychotic cult bitch, it's because they're so stupid they believe what he tells them. Probably nobody is dumb enough to show their friends or family all the messages they've posted to the internet, all pretty much saying the same thing since 1996; especially if your family is made up of writers. It would be kind of embarrassing if they actually found out that Barry has posted over 50,000 messages to a discussion board dedicated to yogic flying. Go figure. They'd probably just shake their heads and conclude that this guy is real a nut case. LoL! I think my family kinda nailed it. Once you understand that she's a psychotic cult bitch, what more is there to learn?
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Share, don't forget about this. It appears that you are scared of me, but with the kind of adoration you lavish on Richard, I would think that you would be thrilled to give him the courtesy of answering his question to you and engaging in a meaningful conversation about said topic. Are you able to do this with someone you actually enjoy? He does believe that this is a forum dedicated to yogic flying, after all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Share, do you care to answer Richard's direct question to you as stated below? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
No Richard, you said today we went to this place and you posted a picture. That was the first post and the one that Share replied to with what kind of a place is it, Richard? She later acknowledged she thought it was a museum. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Pundit Sir wrote: Today we went to this place: Share wrote: What kind of place is it, Richard? On 3/29/2014 2:10 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, that is not what Share asked. There must be some confusion - I said we went to an Apple Store in the mall to get a new battery for Rita's iPod. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/378314 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/378314
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Well Richard, it *is* hard to see ourselves for who we are, is it not? Have you picked up on any of the feedback I've been giving you? Give it timeand have a pleasant tomorrow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:36 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Why are you asking all these questions here on FFL years after Fred is dead? Why do you want to know? Why don't you post to a Rama site? Why are you so obsessed with Fred? Well, I guess I'm just curious why Barry is a True Believer, but at the same time he puts everyone else down for being a TB. Sometimes Barry doesn't even make any sense - it's like a case of cognitive dissonance. It looks like maybe, but I'm not sure, but I'm beginning to feel like, there's a brain problem situation on our hands with Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: That Time is Gone
Nice Richard, best post of the last several weeks from you. Love the lyrics. Shareand what you fear you might become is.you better wake up, wake up, wake up, that time is here. Feel the fear Share...don't get distractedfeel ittap it out, baby, tap it out. And then, get back to me on why you need to warn Richard about me. I'll listen, I will. Rainbows and bunnies to you, Em. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : The dB's That Time Is Gone - Peter Holsapple, vocals and guitar http://youtu.be/f9CwLD1Yrvo http://youtu.be/f9CwLD1Yrvo Recorded live in 2012 in Austin, Texas at Threadgill's during the Music Fog Marathon. MusicFog review: http://musicfog.com/home/2012/6/12/the-dbs-that-time-is-gone.html http://musicfog.com/home/2012/6/12/the-dbs-that-time-is-gone.html
[FairfieldLife] Ray Wylie Hubbard - Screw You, We're from Texas
Hey Richard, remember, I was born in Texas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-cFtSPIF4Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-cFtSPIF4Q
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture, hanging out in the science museum? Righteeooo, Share. Way to cover ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids. There's a great one in Madison, WI. Or at least used to be... On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:32 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: We went to the Apple Store at Mall of the Americas to get the battery replaced in Rita's iPod. While we were there one of the geniuses showed us the Mac Pro with the dual workstation-class GPUs. Rita has an A.D. in Computer Graphics and a B.A. in Communication Arts and she wants to use Final Cut Pro software to edit her movie. Every new Mac Pro comes standard with dual AMD FirePro workstation-class GPUs, each with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM and 2048 stream processors, providing up to 264GB/s of memory bandwidth and up to 3.5 teraflops. That’s enough power to edit full-resolution 4K video while simultaneously rendering effects in the background — and still connect up to three 4K displays. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: What kind of place is it, Richard? On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:07 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Today, we went to this place:
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Share, what does the location of a science museum in Ann Arbor have to do with the picture Richard posted? Here, I will redirect you to this and ask for your prayers. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oso-washington-mudslide-another-body-spotted-in-debris/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oso-washington-mudslide-another-body-spotted-in-debris/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Actually, Richard, it was Ann Arbor. I don't remember if there was one in Madison. Emily, you're up early... On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:28 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: And you thought this because of all the kids you saw in the picture, hanging out in the science museum? Righteeooo, Share. Way to cover ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I thought maybe you were at one of those science museums for kids. There's a great one in Madison, WI. Or at least used to be... On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:32 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: We went to the Apple Store at Mall of the Americas to get the battery replaced in Rita's iPod. While we were there one of the geniuses showed us the Mac Pro with the dual workstation-class GPUs. Rita has an A.D. in Computer Graphics and a B.A. in Communication Arts and she wants to use Final Cut Pro software to edit her movie. Every new Mac Pro comes standard with dual AMD FirePro workstation-class GPUs, each with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM and 2048 stream processors, providing up to 264GB/s of memory bandwidth and up to 3.5 teraflops. That’s enough power to edit full-resolution 4K video while simultaneously rendering effects in the background — and still connect up to three 4K displays. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: What kind of place is it, Richard? On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:07 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Today, we went to this place:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
For people attending Rama’s talks, witnessing levitation, disappearance, beautiful colors and waves of golden light all around Rama and spreading through the hall or room – were commonplace. http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz P.S. I am not weighing in on the truth of this website ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Not true Richardno need to keep falsifying this point. http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Ever seen Lenz on videotape? Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating. Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz talks about meditation seem pretty reasonable and I agree with a lot he says. What is strange is that Barry seems to refute almost everything Lenz had ever said and taught, EXCEPT for the part about the levitation, which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Go figure.
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I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
But Share, from literary and cinema studies you learned that an interpretation is neither right nor wrong. Perhaps you should stick with the don't know. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann: right, right, right, right, right, wrong, wrong, don't know... On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:22 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : That was pretty funny Ann, particularly since I had just mentioned Madison, WI. Go figure! I do go to Annapolis area twice a year to visit family. But admit that Apple store is not high on our list of things to do. Go figure again! Ok, if you say so. I figure you are not very savvy technically and that you do not use Apple computers. I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores. Is that enough figuring for one day do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
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Re: which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Not true Richardno need to keep falsifying this point. http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Ever seen Lenz on videotape? Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating. Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz talks about meditation seem pretty reasonable and I agree with a lot he says. What is strange is that Barry seems to refute almost everything Lenz had ever said and taught, EXCEPT for the part about the levitation, which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it may be that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this what you meant? Do you think witnessing thoughts is effortless? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time... On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.) Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation you've stopped thinking the mantra and that your mind has wandered off to other thoughts. It may be that in advanced TMers all you need to do is think the mantra just once - one thought and then a twenty or thirty minute transcendence. Forme, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about -- to decide to think about something else and then do it? If they answer Yes to that question, then TM is not effortless, because that is its literal instruction: When you become aware that you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it. If that process requires effort, then TM is not effortless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not, because I certainly notice the fact that I am witnessing my thoughts, which I consider an effort. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time that thinking is happening and yes, it is effortless. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:39 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it may be that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this what you meant? Do you think witnessing thoughts is effortless? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time... On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.) Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation you've stopped thinking the mantra and that your mind has wandered off to other thoughts. It may be that in advanced TMers all you need to do is think the mantra just once - one thought and then a twenty or thirty minute transcendence. Forme, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about -- to decide to think about something else and then do it? If they answer Yes to that question, then TM is not effortless, because that is its literal instruction: When you become aware that you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it. If that process requires effort, then TM is not effortless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
It was Harri Aalto, the Finnish fellow. Posted on March 27th. Rick sent FFL a link as always. I haven't listened to the interview, but read the Intro - it is pretty interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The latest interview was Menos Kafatos, and the one before that was Jack Petranker. Was it one of those, because I read the write ups, and nothing jumped out at me. Let me also say, that I haven't really read any books on spiritual personalities in about 20 years. The Lenz interviews I read about six years ago. I've pretty much lost my interest in that kind of stuff. But if someone asked me to define what enlightenment is, I'd have to defer to the traditional I am that. But I'd like to know what you piqued your interest in that interview, whichever one it was. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
I think it would be the noticing, or maybe the recognizing, if one would call that an effort. I don't know that being aware that there are thoughts emanating would be an effort. I was subjectively defining these terms; I don't do TM, remember, so I don't speak with an understanding of the experience of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, which is effort, the noticing or the witnessing? BTW, I'm not a TM teacher so not really trained in all this. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:54 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not, because I certainly notice the fact that I am witnessing my thoughts, which I consider an effort. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time that thinking is happening and yes, it is effortless. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:39 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it may be that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this what you meant? Do you think witnessing thoughts is effortless? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time... On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.) Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation you've stopped thinking the mantra and that your mind has wandered off to other thoughts. It may be that in advanced TMers all you need to do is think the mantra just once - one thought and then a twenty or thirty minute transcendence. Forme, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about -- to decide to think about something else and then do it? If they answer Yes to that question, then TM is not effortless, because that is its literal instruction: When you become aware that you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it. If that process requires effort, then TM is not effortless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Yes, take a picture of the inside this time. It is unlikely, (although still possible), that Share will ask what kind of a place it is. What do you think Share, am I right or wrong about this? :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 4:07 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Translation: Ifyou think I'm going to acknowledge being inconsistent right here in front of God and everybody, you've got another think coming. What a nerve! This thread about what we did the other day at the Apple Store is getting a lot of mileage. We should be getting out more. Maybe we should go to Whole Foods Market and get some shoyu and some more organic brown rice. Emily, that's a very interesting perspective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
It all depends on how you define real Richard. Real as defined by the physical laws of gravity supports your statement that Fred Lenz didn't levitate. However, if real as a term is defined, for example, as a subjective experience, it could result in the statement that Dick and Jane both 'saw' or perceived Rama levitating and it was a very real experience. Whether it was induced by some means is irrelevant to my point or definition of real in this context. That's all I've ever said about that. The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 12:51 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. What you need to understand. Emily, is that nobody saw Rama levitate for REAL - it was all smoke and mirrors. Levitation is the ability to suspend an object by a physical force against gravity, in a stable position without solid physical contact. According to my sources, the reason behind flooding the lecture hall with golden light and various other colored lights was a distraction so that Rama could APPEAR to levitate up into the air. At one point he used real smoke as a cover. Go figure. Here is how it works: You get a bunch of guys and a few gals to pay you $1000 to meet up in a sweat lodge out in the desert at night. Inside the lodge it's about 100 degrees with about five wood fire pits burning and dozens of lighted incense sticks stuck in the sand all around. Notice how they turn the lights down real low. Then, you bring out the mescal beans and the tequila and pass it around with the peace pipe filled with the cannabis. Then they start the slow chanting and bring in the bass drum. At about this time Rama begins to speak: I am the Zen Master Rama... In fact, all the Rama was doing was what cult members call Stage 1 - bun hopping. Stage 2 is simple hovering, according to advanced cult members. But, it's not REAL levitation, which is total suspension with no physical support. However, there is this one report that is seriously being investigated: So, who would you believe? A Harvard-trained scientist of physics and rocket science, who said there was no proven levitation event in any peer-reviewed learned journal in the last 100 years. Or: A ex-cult member, hippie writer living in Amsterdam whose leader graduated from Stony Brook U in English literature, who wrote Surfing the Himalayas and committed suicide by jumping in a lake and drowning himself? On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:51 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened
[FairfieldLife] Re: Harri Aalto: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 03/28/2014
Yes, this was the one. I think I will listen to it also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, maybe this is the interview you were referring to Emily. I picked up your other post while still at work. This seems to apply to many of things being bandied about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 03/28/2014 blog updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump If you are not doing so already, please consider donating a minimum of $1 or $2 per month to help offset basic monthly expenses associated with hosting, MailChimp, etc. Of course, larger donations for other expenses are very much appreciated and needed. Donate button on http://batgap.com http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=aa0956064ce=16e07f16fe. published 03/28/2014 223. Harri Aalto http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=03db592b14e=16e07f16fe Mar 27, 2014 07:32 am | Rick My family moved to Canada from Finland when I was five. I clearly remember an experience that started developing from this time, where I could see an unmoving sphere, or bubble, of comfortable light, or consciousness, that surrounded my body. … Continue reading → http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=349626fad4e=16e07f16fe The post 223. Harri Aalto http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=dc9acafd19e=16e07f16fe appeared first on Buddha at the Gas Pump http://batgap.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=1eeda23dffe=16e07f16fe. 223_harri_aalto.mp3 http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=d5e52ff3d7e=16e07f16fe 70.9 MB comments http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=d600efe26ae=16e07f16fe | read more http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=5ccf0a512ee=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=ca98dbaecbe=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=8f1bee88d7e=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=c289ecd56fe=16e07f16fe Elsewhere · Visit My Blog http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=fd979317d0e=16e07f16fe · Share This with a friend http://us2.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=71a8fff110e=16e07f16fe · Follow me on Twitter http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=e1d2308b45e=16e07f16fe · RSS feed http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=ba69958e69e=16e07f16fe Regular announcement of new interviews posted at http://batgap.com http://batgap.com. Buddha at the Gas Pump 1108 South B Street Fairfield, Iowa 52556 Add us to your address book http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/vcard?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=b0e5d0d53a Copyright (C) 2014 Buddha at the Gas Pump All rights reserved. http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=monkey_rewardsaid=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5afl=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Dig deep Share. Try to put a little effort into what you say so that you have a little credibility to go with it. I googled the phrase and here is what I found - (not just taken from the drop down window; that doesn't tell you anythingtry to remember this for next time, even though you have acknowledged that Ann is RIGHT in determining that you are not tech savvy) - in full and cited appropriately with quotation marks. “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/12080.Ralph_Waldo_Emerson, Self-Reliance http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1758578 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it was an honest mistake. When I put consistency is the hobgoblin in the google window, that's what the drop downs showed. They did not show the word foolish. On Friday, March 28, 2014 7:38 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Opsie-Share. You left a word out of that quote there, didn'cha? How dishonest is that? OTOH, consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, etc. Translation: If you think I'm going to acknowledge being inconsistent right here in front of God and everybody, you've got another think coming. What a nerve! Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
It was a lazy mistake Share; you are honestly lazy about certain things. You could have used quotes; you could have cited it. It wasn't your sentence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it was an honest mistake. When I put consistency is the hobgoblin in the google window, that's what the drop downs showed. They did not show the word foolish. On Friday, March 28, 2014 7:38 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Opsie-Share. You left a word out of that quote there, didn'cha? How dishonest is that? OTOH, consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, etc. Translation: If you think I'm going to acknowledge being inconsistent right here in front of God and everybody, you've got another think coming. What a nerve! Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Share, the thought of you reading FFL and simultaneously tapping away earnestly to keep those negative feelings away is a pretty cute visual. But, remember, with EFT: It is essential that the energy disturbance remains activated the whole time you are tapping in order to completely clear it. Therefore, you have to keep your attention focused on the negative feelings while tapping until they are gone. Getting distracted or thinking about two things at once can interfere with EFT working. http://www.eft-alive.com/how-to-do-EFT.html http://www.eft-alive.com/how-to-do-EFT.html Also, as an aside, I put the word using in quotes for a reason. You've misquoted me. And, I defined using with an indirect intent - I was just trying to think outside of the right and wrong box for youyou knowyou are a fan of Katie Byron's work, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an interesting perspective? The fact that you do reduce things to right and wrong? Try this on for interesting. Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and genius bars, but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that you do not use Apple computers is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word use maybe? Maybe you use them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we use to post here and you are using my post to reply to. I'm not judging the appropriateness of your choice of right and wrong, I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to right and wrong, thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is I don't know. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me you do not use Apple computers what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts geniuses. (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedback about her assumptions about me... On Friday, March 28, 2014 12:40 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I understand what you are saying Share, but you still interpreted her figuring as right and wrong. Are you experiencing cognitive dissonance right now - in the sense that your behavior is not in line with your beliefs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Emily I was replying to what Ann wrote which was all about figuring... On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:59 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: But Share, we are talking about what you wrote, not what Ann wrote. You are slipping into your shadow side again. :) Stand up Sweetie...you wrote it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Did Today
Share, this is where geniuses hang out; it is a genius bar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : What kind of place is it, Richard? On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:07 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Today, we went to this place:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Share, never mind a mantra. Just focus on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! Agehananda Bharati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agehananda_Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer Leopold Heinrich Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Heinrich_Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist Leo Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'll be claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Oh my GOD! (Yes, Barry, there is GOD, or a DOG, if you prefer.) Is it not a MIRACLE that you replied to ME! I feel important and very! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? Possibly because Barry, unlike the others he wrote testimonials for, isn't trying to sell you anything or apologize/make excuses for any religion, cult, practice, or group. Heck, he's not even a member of any group, with the possible exception of the human race, and I'd bet that Judy would quibble with that one. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
I'm all for quiet time...let them read a book for 15 minutes or sit quietly or write. If schools want to incorporate meditatation, then why not just teach the concept of breathing and paying attention to that and call it a relaxation skill. I agree with separation of church and state, but remember thinking it was getting ridiculous when the under God phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance was ruled unconstitutional by the 9th District Court. This ruling was later reversed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ann, I respectfully disagree. If there is anything to be vigilant about, it is the separation of church and state. State including schools. There are many special interests looking for any tiny opening in that area. The oft used, slippery slope very much applies here, I think. I think TM in schools would be great. But I think we need to find a different way to transform that environment, I'm afraid. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is just cult hysteria and misdirection on Buck's part. Thomas Jefferson *was* a Christian, and he objected to *any* form of religious practice being added to the school systems of America because that violated the Constitution of the United States. Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. :-) It didn't...it referred to a group of Christians who were trying to sneak their practices into a school system, just as the TMO is. I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. I am very much not a Christian, but I would object similarly to any form of religion-based meditation being offered in public schools in America for the same reason -- it violates the Constitution. And there is simply no question that TM (as it is currently taught) is based in religion -- the mantras are the names (or nicknames, for the nitpickers) of Hindu gods, and Hindu gods and teachers are chanted to and bowed down to during the puja, without which *TM cannot be taught*. For similar reasons I would opposed any form of Buddhist meditation (including mindfulness) being taught in American public schools *if it included and demanded traditional Buddhist rituals as part of the teaching process*. If a technique can be *totally* divorced from its religious background, such that no invocation of or mention of the religious trappings are ever needed to learn and practice the technique, then I'd see no problem with such a technique being taught in schools. But TM does NOT fit that criterion. Never has, never will. This was decided in the courts w.r.t. TM decades ago. You are waa too hung up on the concept of religion. You are positively spooked by it. Practicing a meditation technique for a few minutes in some North American school room is a long way from what was or may still be happening in Catholic schools with its indoctrination and spiritual brainwashing. Sitting down for a few minutes to shut out the world is potentially a great thing given that America's typical school environment is pretty much entropic noise and superficiality. Get off your paranoidal high horse and get a grip. You're hysterical. If you take half a second to think for a change you'd realize just about everything we do in our day is based on some religious practice or culture or belief. We're grounded in it as human beings. I had no idea you were such a prissy wussy, Bawwy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
Now now Share, watch that ego of yoursthinking *you* know how Judy feels way, way WAY down deep inside is a bit arrogant, no? You ain't that good, sweet pea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I think way down deep inside, Judy really does appreciate it. Way, way, WAY down deep inside... On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:29 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, you are wonderful! This post is so funny. You've run circles around this Judy. Too bad she's not able to appreciate it. I do! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, first of all, I have no idea when turq realized his mistake. Neither do you. Secondly, I wouldn't call it demonizing. Thirdly, why should I correct when the Corrector is on the scene?! Fourth, I hope you had a good vomit. Fifth, turq can be really awful a lot of the times, but he also seems to really care about what he cares about. Sixth, in this day and age of people like Kim Kardashian, I'd be horrified if I won any popularity contest! Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:59 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: But you weren't going to correct him, even though he keeps using the quote to demonize DoctorDumbass. Protect Barry at all costs, even if someone else gets unfairly slimed. Do your damndest to rescue poor Barrykins if he gets caught. Such integrity, Share. How much does that up your score in the FFL popularity contest, do you think? Do you think Barry will acknowledge his mistake? Will he apologize to DoctorD? Go figure indeed. Excuse me while I go throw up. Duh! Judy, I figured all along that the longer quote was actually from Chopra because it was so different from the short, generated quotes. I figured turq made a mistake. Even nice people make mistakes sometimes. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:30 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Well, whaddya know, Barry's been trying to pull a fast one on us with that Chopra quote all along. It wasn't generated by the robot program after all. It's a genuine Chopra quote from an audiotape he made called Seeing Through the Mask of Matter. The whole tape is transcribed here: http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html Do a text search on the page for the quote: “You are not looking at the field in every wave and particle, the field is your extended body….you are a local concentration of information and energy in the wholeness that is the body of the universe.” So...you can make fun of the quote on its own terms if you like, but you can't make fun of DoctorDumbass for not knowing it was from the robot site, because it wasn't. Barry's been telling a whopping falsehood for the purpose of demonizing DoctorDumbass. Such a nice man, that Barry. Don't you think so, Share? That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Deadly landslide in Snohomish County for those ex-Washingtonions
This is a good picture showing the major landslide here north of Seattle between Arlington and Darrington. Took out a whole neighborhood in seconds and completely plugged up the North Fork of the Stillaguamish River, which luckily found its way before creating a major flood event. Many are dead and buried under feet of mud and debris that covered a mile of roadway and is like quicksand in many places. We've had near record rainfall in February and March. One never knows when life is over; I gotta stop living for tomorrow. http://seattletimes.com/html/home/index.html http://seattletimes.com/html/home/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some very good editing
Yeah BABY! That is FABULOUS! I love how they synced the video to the song. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : http://twentytwowords.com/christopher-walken-dancing-in-over-50-movies-all-perfectly-spliced-into-a-single-music-video/ http://twentytwowords.com/christopher-walken-dancing-in-over-50-movies-all-perfectly-spliced-into-a-single-music-video/ Really creative editing here. Poor Christopher has certainly sported some bad make up and wigs over the decades. Still a good actor and, apparently, not a bad dancer either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Thanks Richard! Just curious. I'm going to take a mental health day as it is sunny outside and I hope you do too - actually, you might think about taking a mental health week or two, given the number of monkeys that have been flying out your ass. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 11:13 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: No, I was talking to you Richard. The thread is about Barry and 2nd stage flying - I'm just a basic TMer, I'm not a believer in the TMSP or levitation. I was simply wondering whether or not you thought you might be, or might have been, susceptible to mind control, etc. as a willing participant who believed, at least initially, in the teacher they had signed on with. The answer is no - I've never been brain-washed into giving thousands of dollars to a cult leader and then been under his mind-control to the point that my brain went into a trance-induction state and I hallucinated that I saw Fred Lenz levitate hundreds of times. If that had happened to me, I wouldn't reveal it one a public discussion group and post it in the attempt to look spiritually superior to others. And, I don't think I would go around tacking up posters and handing out flyers advertising such an event. Rama was a sick man, but at the time and given the context, I can imagine that many would have been, and did, in fact, believe in his message, and also, for whatever the reason, did perceive him as levitating. Real is usually in the eye of the beholder. Ask Share. We all share a common reality, Emily - most of us know when something is real or when we are hallucinating, even in a large group of people at a movie. Obviously, the cult members were drugged. The question is: Why would one of the cult members join a spiritual discussion group and try to convince us that their experience was real, WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS EITHER FALSE OR A DRUG-INDUCED HALLUCINATION. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? The levitation I and thousands of other people witnessed *was* real. We saw it. We felt it. - TurquoiseB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 6:50 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: You didn't answer my question, Richard. We are talking about you here. We are talking about Barry, who claimed on FFL that he saw Rama in the 2nd stage of levitation, hundreds of times.
