Re: [FairfieldLife] Texas Denies Birth Cetificates

2015-10-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
SCOTUS ruled quite a while back that the 14th Amendment applies to anyone born in the USA *unless* they are children of someone with diplomatic immunity or the equivalent. It might be that there really IS a push to get the 14th Amendment re-interpreted, but that opens a truly scary door

[FairfieldLife] Re: INNER PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST

2015-10-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The same website has links to country-level contacts for TM teachers. Each country is responsible for its own peace-creating group so you'd have to check to see what is going on where: Learn Transcendental Meditation: Teachers and Centers by country

[FairfieldLife] Vastu as you have never seen before...

2015-05-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Timeline Photos - Arquitectura Védica: Arq. Javier Ortiz Cabrejos | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/arquitecturavedica/photos/a.1440570762866388.1073741828.1423286961261435/1607274999529296/?type=1theater

[FairfieldLife] Re: How many people have ever lived on earth?

2015-05-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I'm not real good with logs and exponential growth, but their chart claims that the population of the world went from 2 in 50,000 BC to 5,000,000 by 8,000 BC, Fair enough (adam and eve are postulated for mathematical calculations, I guess), but then they go on to assert that over 1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Waging Fraternity and Peace, the MUM Commencement.

2015-05-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The Japanese itadakimusu (I [humble form] receive) is meant to cover all the bases. Acknowledges every being, divine or mortal, that had a hand in getting the food to the table. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Apparently the President of the university

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space Brother's hideaway?

2015-05-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Nyah, the Space Brothers were born in Japan and work at NASA. Space Brothers on Crunchyroll! http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews Space Brothers on Crunchyroll! http://www.crunchyroll.com/space-brothers/reviews To follow

[FairfieldLife] Re: How many people have ever lived on earth?

2015-05-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Your figures are wy off, as you assume steady growth. The point of that saying about more people alive today... was to point out that human beings were reproducing faster than ever before: Human Population: Population Growth

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
That last stress before enlightenment is proving to be a doozy for you... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4509808384/h0FF30A29/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha! Lawson! Sup, bro? One might also

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's who you know that counts

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
One could imagine the US military creating a honey pot website for suicidal wannabe jihadists: Blow yourself up immediately. We'll even supply the vest. Apply online now. Dozens of operators waiting to take your call... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, the Puranas explicitly talk about all the Brahmas, Shivas, etc, each lording over a different universe. That's from about 1000 AD, I believe. Wikipedia mentions it in their discussion of multiverse: The concept of parallel universes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse appears

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, I don't know if you would stop believing things about Maharishi or not, but I'm pretty sure your attitude would be less stressed than it is now... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not too long ago my friend Bill who I knew back in the old days

[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating junk-DNA?

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
But, as I said, and you neatly sidestepped, the most important way in which TM-Sidhis is supposed to work--creating a situation where the brain remains active while in a PC-like state--does seem to occur. And this explains why most of Fred Travis' enlightened subjects in his study on CC were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating junk-DNA?

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other flavors) occur. This supports MMY's claim that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Commencement

2015-05-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Congrats. I take it your nervous system is simply going through the motions of posting trash talk about TM in Fairfieldlife because, well, force of habit? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am already enlightened and I got there without TM From:

[FairfieldLife] Re: You can all relax now

2015-05-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
My only response is that I've tried to say hello several times and you never responded. This is unfortunate from my perspective, because I thought we had established some kind of e-friendship beyond the boundaries of fairfieldlife. Shrugs. Good to know that you're still alive, at

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] incompetent Guru

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
But TM mantras ARE meaningless in the sense that no dictionary meaning is provided, and that goes back to the idea that associations during TM instruction are kept minimal in order to facilitate the way in which TM works. Or rather, that the fact that there is an effective attempt to keep

[FairfieldLife] Re: one can barely describe Maharishi's greatness

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Note the date: a day or two after MMY died, when friends and followers are at their emotionally irrationally positive. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I see that the link includes the following sentences: Maharishi’s divine plan of spiritual regeneration

Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Heh. And you're certain that any and all of the contingencies are invalided? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, he DOES have a point: if TM works as advertised, AND learning

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trying again. Very trying...heh heh

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm? And what of MMY's use of the term Transcendental Consciousness? This is a situation where there is no internal awareness, nor external awareness, and yet somehow, the brain isn't asleep. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Three

Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So, the _Tao te ching_'s first line is context-dependent? 'K. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I looked at that website last week and it was an attempt by someone to teach what they could via book and web. It does not pretend to replace personal

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I thought you were talking about a model where celebrities wanted to be around MMY. Using celebrities to promote a product is used by jjust about everyone if they can afford it, so I see no reason fro that to change. For the cost of room, board, a plane ticket, and a nice plaque, MUM can

Re: [FairfieldLife] incompetent Guru

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
It doesn't mean its wrong but even the fact that they're teachign via printed word means its not likely to be TM. It turns out that when you learn nonsense words via reading them, you create a visual memory of them in your mind that is evoked when you remember them. A meaningless mantra

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, yes, that is the point of using famous people to promote a product: people are interested in the famous person, and while watching the famous person, they've learned to associate whatever good vibes they get from thinking about the famous person with the product. In this case, MUM.

Re: [FairfieldLife] No one greater in the whole history of the world from the beginning of time

2015-04-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh, he DOES have a point: if TM works as advertised, AND learning TM from a book or webpage isn't really useful, AND the Maharishi Effect is real AND if several-other-things... then what Maharishi has done is more than a little significant with respect to Humanity-as-a-whole. Lots of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio

2015-04-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So conflicting stories about an event means that someone is lying? In fact, police investigators are more likely to think that eyewitnesses are telling the truth when their stories contradict somewhat because people almost never tell the same set of details about the same event unless they've

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Really? You weren't around back then to see these goons? Maybe you would have liked these types. It's a wonder they didn't wear jackboots. On 04/12/2015 01:30 PM, LEnglish5@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...

2015-04-08 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...

2015-04-08 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
if you say so, it must be true. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The issue is NOT who your chosen expert is. It's that your knee-jerk reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught to. And the even bigger issue is that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-08 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-08 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga, Religion and Schools

2015-04-07 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Appeals court upholds yoga program in Encinitas public schools http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-appeals-court-yoga-20150403-story.html Appeals court upholds yoga program in Encinitas public

[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...

2015-04-07 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I don't know if your analogy applies are not. Married couples often spend more of their daily lives apart than together. My reading of Campbell's point was that there was no significant amount of time that he was aware of of where Maharishi was alone with just one person. Everyone was clamoring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...

2015-04-07 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell

Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Turq and fellow conspiracy fans

2015-04-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Not quite. All living people have been pardoned, but aside from Turing (and a few others?) none of the dead have been: Since then the discussion of posthumous pardons has gathered momentum. In 2012 new legislation was passed allowing the 16,000 still-living victims of these bigoted, and

[FairfieldLife] Oaxaca, Mexico: Inauguration of new multi-purpose (vastu flying hall) classroom

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=autotl=enjs=yprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oaxaca.gob.mx%2Fsupervisan-construccion-de-aula-polivalente-en-el-plantel-253-del-iebo%2Fedit-text=

Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Latest thing I could find. Reading google translate is painful, but it appears to say that the TMO got a final ruling in their favor after 4 rulings went against them, which preservation organizations found suspicious:

Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Plausible. Or, they may have offered teh entire government a sweetheart financial deal that trumped the traditional attitude... Or both. AT least the TM organization can be said to put its money where its vastu mouth is... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You may be correct, but if that is so (and I'm not denying it) then there is bound to be local, or even national news about it. I haven't bothered to look for any, have you? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The laws are *incredibly* strict about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Actually, Chopra's first book was NOT _Return of the Rishi_ but but _Creating Health_, written before he had fully integrated with the TM organization. Certainly, _Return of the Rishi_ mentioned TM, because it was about the journey of a young doctor discovering the revival of Vedic India

[FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The last part of the video is a rendering of the planned vastu community. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Pretty wealthy red necks then. Those are pretty huge buildings to refer to them as a trailer park. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hideous is a matter of taste. I agree that if they do build, I'd like to see a more Netherlands-oriented architectural style, but my impression is that there really isn't such a thing in the modern Netherlands, unless you count windmills. Vastu windmills, that's what's missing! L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The last tower

2015-04-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
And so, the standard vastu fits right in. My point was there's no single thing that can be called Modern Dutch Architecture and so you can't expect vastu architecture to look just like it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Ahem. Don't you ever get tired

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?

2015-04-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Why do non-comformists have to worry about teh Age of Enlightenment and why would TM teachers be worried about it? I mean, what is wrong with being an enlightened non-conformist? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I'd have thought he'd be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?

2015-04-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
He threw out people who were unwilling to play the game his way. That has nothing to do with CC, only with his desire to have a strictly controlled organization. Someone in CC could certainly play the game his way, or not. Whether they do so or not has nothing to do with CC, only with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brand rejected by Scientology?

2015-04-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I never heard anyone claim that Maharishi said that everyone would conform to some societal norm. In fact, CC was about no longer being bound by norms: you would simply spontaneously do what was right. Until that time, the path of least stress would be to follow societal and cultural norms,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...

2015-04-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Bobby isn't a shill. A shill is someone who is pretending that they do NOT work for an organization but actually do. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : For what purpose would you be wanting to get your TM med checked? Go figure. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Raja Luis on yogic flyers in S.A.: 50,000 = 100,000 = 1 million

2015-04-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Certainly, there is quite a distance between the Governor of a Mexican state cutting hte ribbon for a new building, and one million students in Latin America learning Yogic Flying, but my impression is that Luis Alverez is a pretty decent fellow, overall. L ---In

[FairfieldLife] Raja Luis on yogic flyers in S.A.: 50,000 = 100,000 = 1 million

2015-04-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2014_mp4/2014_play_mp4.php The video shows the inauguration of the first official vastu flying hall in Mexico, attended by the governor of the state and other government

Re: [FairfieldLife] Dutch Parl iament Bans Monsanto’ s RoundUp

2015-04-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Monsanto: great place to work, dangerous products for sale? I'm not convinced that the UN WHO decision concerning glyphosate is correct, but if you DO accept such findings, the fact is that Monsanto's main business is to produce seeds whose only utility is that they enable you to buy lots

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of Going Clear

2015-04-01 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Scientologists may believe in science, but the Church of Scientology refuses to let any of its claims be tested by independent researchers. That is, I suspect, the fundamental difference between a religion and a non-religion. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of Going Clear

2015-04-01 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hey, are you saying that I'm not an active TBer? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : We should probably point out that in this discussion group all the active TBs have left to form another discussion group. The only informants left here are a few old guys who got

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?

2015-03-31 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
That's it? That's all you got out of this video? Blame fox? Cheee L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The loony Brand blames Fox News for the tragedy . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCREVmaRaeg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?

2015-03-31 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm... I always thought that capitalism meant something other than just turning a profit, though it isn't easy to decide when the latter turns into the former, and where the practicality ends and the self-destructive element begins. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
This ignores the fact that when Benson asked the Dalai Lama for an intro to BUddhist practitioners of levitation, all he got were people hopping like a frog. But Buddhist Hopping Like a Frog is special, while TM Hopping Like a Frog isn't. It's always amusing to see people bring up issues

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Interesting perspective, and there may be some truth to it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Lawson is IMO a perfect example of the reason the TMO does research. Contrary to popular opinion, the research is NOT done to convince

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You're aware that all TM teachers teach the same way, and more than likely some of the recerted teachers work for the DLF? I mean, Bobby Roth goes to teh Hamptons and lectures to billionaires and is introduced on national TV as Meditation Bob, meditation teacher to teh stars. You have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding. I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit. And who told you I was banned from the entire website? I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall. By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade? The

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. They really DO set teh trends and fashions of society. And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all sorts of headlines in business journals. How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Did you miss that the AHA accepted, without dispute, the claim that TM reduces DEATH by 48% over 5 years in Black Americans with cardiac disease? Ball-squeezing may have more effect on BP, but TM's effects on overall mortality go beyond simple lowering of BP. L ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You DO realize that this means that Brook has no dog in the fight of TM vs whatever? He's so out of touch with the politics that he has pictures of the Dali Lama put on the screen at MUM. Pretty neutral guy, obviously. And so if he comes to a specific conclusion based on looking at the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Does the term simile mean anything to you? Moving along the ground as a frog jumps probably doesn't mean your legs turn green, but that you move in a series of short hops, or so I would interpret it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote : Absolutely! The Dome

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
We were debating? Hmmm. My argument: TM leads to a different style of physiological functioning than mindfulness does, and so, to claim that they are spiritually identical doesn't make sense, if you by Maharishi's theory that spirituality is based on the physical functioning of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I wouldn't say no thought = no thinker nor would I say the opposite... How could you know? However, even if there's no way to examine the non-existent internal landscape of someone while in the PC state, we can look at the physiological correlates, and they are quire interesting.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Here is Maharishi's take on teh scientific study of meditation. Note that he is talking about human consciousness here, not the ground state of natural law, aka brahman. That is referred to as that wholeness of life which is present everywhere. Every experience has its level of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I don't know where the debate started, but my point was that two different groups are using the same two words in different ways: TMers equote pure awarenessBack https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages with pure consciousness with transcendental consciousness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
This might be Maharishi's distinction between little-t transcending, where the mind is diverted from thinking the mantra and back on thoughts even though pure consciousness never occured, vs Big-T Transcending, aka pure consciousness aka pure awareness, where all perception of any kind has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Lots of people enjoy piling onto Maharishi about hopping like a frog being the first stage of Yogic Flying, with a latter stage being levitation, but as I pointed out, the _Shiva Samhita_ describes levitation as coming in various stages, including moving along the ground as a frog jumps

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Responses embedded following your text in the old school way of responding... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : [...] Meditation may reduce death, heart attack and stroke in heart patients Meditation and Heart Health

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really hopping like a frog? Hmmm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote : But the dome but-bouncers haven't even gotten to the first (frog-hopping) stage, so it's more a matter of objectivity rather than rudeness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Can you point me to contemporary mindfulness essays or research on contemporary mindfulness practitioners where they describe a situation where there is no thought, no mantra, no awareness of the outside world, no awareness of the body, no emotion, no intuition, no memory, no mind content of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to empty 100 million wallets

2015-03-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Ha ha. But did you read the article? A little more background: after the DLF published the 2 pilot studies on how TM affects PTSD in war refugees in Africa, they received inquiries from various groups tasked with handling the ongoing Disaster-that-is-Africa. [Basically, 100

Re: [FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade.

2015-03-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As I pointed out to Unc, should the projects happen as intended, it would be the United Nations and teh disaster relief NGOs (not to mention the governments of Brazil, Peru, and other countries negotiating to have their own employees trained as TM teachers) that would be paying for TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You can only measure what y ou have the equipment to measure. However, it's a truism that just because two things can be described teh same way at one level, doesn't mean that they are identifical. My favorite example is what happened to some British friends many decades ago... They got a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to empty 100 million wallets

2015-03-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You may be correct. WIth negotiations going on with the United Nations, the governments of Brazil and Peru, various NGOs, etc., the flaws you metnion will certainly come to light very fast and sink any such plans. On the other hand, what if they negotiations actually go through Will

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-27 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
What they call pure awareness is not what TMers call pure awareness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote : [Scientific American article by Matthieu Ricard, Antoine Lutz, and Richard J. Davidson, Nov. 2014, p. 43] In our Wisconsin lab, we have studied experienced

[FairfieldLife] The David Lynch Foundation... Its goal is to touch 100 million lives in the next decade.

2015-03-27 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonlinefeatureid=29642mag=Spa%20Businesslinktype=story http://www.spabusiness.com/detail.cfm?pagetype=featuresonlinefeatureid=29642mag=Spa%20Businesslinktype=story Autoloading is not working but the link seems to be valid. All in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind of the Meditator

2015-03-27 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Rolls eyes. You can force silence by distracting the mind and diverting resources away from the verbal centers or you can allow the mind to become more calm until silence is everywhere. Pure consciousness during TM is no mantra, no thought, no body awareness, no intuition, no emotion,

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

2015-03-17 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm

2015-03-17 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I reiterate (and of course I may be wrong): the stories from 30-40+ years ago are far more extreme than what you hear these days. That doesn't mean there aren't suicides, and perhaps some of those suicides can be directly attributed to too much TM (where too much might include doing it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm

2015-03-17 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I call it sad. And I never said the stories weren't true, only that they don't seem to be nearly as common as they were 40 years ago, for whatever reason. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My friend Mark Totten who was on the citizen purusha program, a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM never does harm

2015-03-17 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I learned the TM-SIdhis in 1984, I think it was. We were meditating and practicing TM and the TM-SIdhis for many hours a day for 2 months straight. The worst unstressing I ever saw was towards the end of the flying block when it was reiterated that only hopping was taking place and that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Whoo Hoo at the Marshy School!

2015-03-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
If the exemption was made for the school, or for TMers in general (since all students at the school do TM and at least one partent does), then y ou would expect every student, or almost-every, to have the exemption, but such is not the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...

[FairfieldLife] Anime review: Parasyte

2015-03-05 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Parasyte (寄生獣 or Kiseijū lit. Parasitic Beasts) is an interesting anime taken from an award-winning manga/comic-book published in Japan over a period of 7 years from 1988 to 1995. It follows the life of a high schooler named Shinichi Izumi, who accidentally survives the attack of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife

2015-02-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
U. Celibate? Maharishi made it clear that King Tony's position was hereditary. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : No shit, srijau, I just had to reply to this to say thanks for posting this photo. I never knew what Mrs. da King looked like, but now

Re: [FairfieldLife] nice photo of Adhiraja Maharaja Rajaram's wife

2015-02-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Imagine if he was half-black and had a funny middle and last name... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, someone posts a nice picture of a happy couple and look at the response it gets. This forum really has sunk into the abyss. ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)

2015-02-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common

[FairfieldLife] Re: Science backfires for Fairfield :-)

2015-02-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Have you ever looked at mindfulness research? Most of it makes TM research look absolutely brilliant in its design and execution. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : While you can never fully trust science, you can pretty much distrust TMO promoted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Any experience with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living organization in Boone, NC?

2015-01-31 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Anyone know whose picture is used for that puja, Maharishi's or Guru Dev's? I've also seen some odd pictures using the holy tradition picture: http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra gets mad

2015-01-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A blogger dredged up an old video of Deepak's and tore into him. Deepak's rhetoric I think, was taken slightly out-of-context, but only slightly. It was Deepak at his worst: spew post-Maharishi rhetoric combined with Maharishi rhetoric and never watch what you're saying, regardless. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Arizona cities incinerated by apocalyptic heat

2015-01-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I remember that day. Millions of people died, just down the road. It made all the local newspapers. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : http://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s http://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?

2015-01-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Typical mindfulness/concentrative practices are not claimed to make you moral or ethical. I always contrast such things with: Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?

2015-01-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Self-selected samples prove nothing. Only suitably designed studies can resolve that issue with any certainty, but even so, the only country we know about where the head of state did TM and was in a position to seek retribution, didn't, but instead showed higher wisdom than average,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?

2015-01-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I was referring mostly to the effects of TM on the president and the people who were meditating and how their meditation rpactice appeared to affect their behavior, not the Maharishi Effect. And in fact, TM IS supposed to improve moral behavior in an absolutist sense of making one's behavior

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