Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

2016-06-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Guns don't kill people. People kill people and Ideologies influence them to 
kill. 
 

 Not being able to buy 9mm machine guns at Walmart might make the ideologies 
less likely to manifest their full insanity.
 
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You want to ban the Koran from public places but what about these guys with 
murder in their hearts running around with assault weapons -- no doubt legally 
obtained. We used to have a ban on these weapons (in the Clinton 
administration) but it was allowed to expire under Bush. I am in favor of 
banning these weapons, which no one needs, once again, rather than banning 
books. 

You cannot decry Islamic-inspired terrorism and at the same time support the 
insane US gun culture that makes such mayhem ridiculously easy. 
 

 Amen.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't have psychic vision as you do but he did tweet out an * I told you so*.
 Another plot broken up in LA. Man on his way to a Gay Pride Parade arrested 
with assault rifles and explosives. Ethnicity not noted. OF course if he were a 
White Christian, it would be all over the place by now.
 You know, after the mass shooting in South Carolina, much ado was made about a 
picture of the shooter with a Confederate flag and it has been banned in public 
places all over the country as a symbol of hate. Time to ban the Koran from 
public places for the same.
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today's death toll so far, 50+ by Muslim extremest of  Afghan immigrant 
parents. Obama and Hillary want more Muslim immigrants. Of course, Trump wants 
a temporary end to Muslim immigration until better vetting can occur. Democrats 
see nothing wrong with our vetting process now, it's adequate.

 

 At this moment, Trump is doing a happy dance behind closed doors. All he will 
recognize the massacre as is a way to promote his agenda of hate against all 
Muslims. Kinda like him wishing so many would default on their mortgages back 
in 2008 so he could swoop in and fly away with the carrion.
 
 


 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

 
   
 Xenophobic because they don't assimilate into new cultures, remains separate 
and feel superior, Homophobic because they kill gay people and feel it a 
religious duty( see today's mass killing in Orlando),Misogynistic total control 
of females and their behavior, racist because they still practice slavery, even 
today, intolerant of all other religions, speaks for it self, death to the 
infidel.
 

 
 


 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

 
   
 Sounds you're talking about Muslims... Xenophobic, homophobic,misogynistic, 
racist, and intolerant of all other religions.
 

 
 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Mamas don't let your babies grow up to play video games and live in your 
basement.
or 

 Mamas don't let you babies grow up to be Muslims.

 
 might be a little more appropriate.

 

 Mamas don't have no control over who becomes what. How about don't grow up to 
be xenophobic, racist or intolerant of other's religion? 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

 
   
 Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.
Don't let 'em pick guitars or drive them old trucks.
Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such.
Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.
'Cos they'll never stay home and they're always alone.
Even with someone they love.

 

 According to the Mass Shooting Tracker, there were 372 mass shootings - 
defined as a single incident that kills or injures four or more people - in the 
US in 2015. Some 475 people were killed and 1,8760 wounded.

 


 














 













 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Year-end, 2015 Post-Founder TM, an Index

2016-06-01 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 May 2016 
 427373Re: Change of Leadership, Bevan Deposed 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/427373 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/427373
 

 You say "deposed" but he says he resigned, do you know something we don't? Bit 
of trouble at the top perhaps..





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are You Going to Greet Him or Protest Him?

2016-06-01 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Seraphita and Sal:
 

 Neither. I don't like him so giving him a cheery wave would be hypocritical 
but he hasn't actually done anything wrong other than rub a few liberals up the 
wrong way so I wouldn't bother protesting.
 

 If he got into power and then started really screwing things up - not just for 
the US but everyone else too - and then wanted to come over and be friends then 
I might get out of bed for a protest but it's unlikely to be worth the bother. 
I think the presidents hands are largely tied and all his hot air will turn out 
to be just that. Not that he couldn't drag you under completely but every now 
and again a nation elects a leader that destroys them, probably some profound 
psycho-social reason for it too but I know not what.
 

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/donald-trump-will-visit-britain-setting-up-a-likely-hostile-reception/2016/06/01/28a13d7b-7d7f-4bc7-adde-f351b0c938e6_story.html
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/donald-trump-will-visit-britain-setting-up-a-likely-hostile-reception/2016/06/01/28a13d7b-7d7f-4bc7-adde-f351b0c938e6_story.html





[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking on Trump

2016-06-01 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 London (CNN)As one of the world's most renowned scientists, Stephen Hawking is 
regularly called on to help explain the universe's more mysterious phenomena.

 But asked to account for Donald Trump's political rise Tuesday, the British 
theoretical physicist was stumped.
 "I can't," Hawking told CNN affiliate ITV's "Good Morning Britain" program.
 
 "He is a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator."
 Well-off people always like to think there's something wrong with the 
electorate when someone they don't like gets elected. The trouble for you is 
Trump is giving a voice to the people who have been forgotten and sidelined in 
the rush for greater profits for management, Outsourcing and immigration really 
do affect life for the poorest in society so they get justifiably angry.
 

 The problem of course is that Trump is full of shit, he isn't a champion for 
the workers at all, as his campaign flags etc are made in China, the people who 
he employs as servants in his mansions aren't even allowed to talk to him. He's 
a fraud but that won't stop people fantasising that he's the man to save them. 
They do it because he appears to be an outsider like them, with no inconvenient 
contradictory record in government to spoil the illusion.
 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Meanwhile in Scorpionland:

2016-05-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Sure are a lot of *hams* in England. 
 

 Yup, I live in one. It's short for hamlet [not the cigar or the Shakespearean 
character] which is an olde Englysh word for a small village.
 

 You'd think that  it would keep the Muslims away. But nooo.
 

 Why would we want to keep them away? Plenty of room for more of any stripe, 
just concrete over those green and pleasant hills...
 
 


 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 4:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meanwhile in Scorpionland:
 
 
   
 Here's the new peace palace being constructed in the vastu village of 
Rendlesham on the east coast. I've been inside, very impressive building. 
Should be popular when its all done.
 

 Peace Palace Construction Update March - April 2016 https://vimeo.com/163522934

 
 
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 Peace Palace Construction Update March - April 2016 
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April 2016" by on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who 
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[FairfieldLife] Meanwhile in Scorpionland:

2016-05-13 Thread salyavin808
Here's the new peace palace being constructed in the vastu village of 
Rendlesham on the east coast. I've been inside, very impressive building. 
Should be popular when its all done.
 

 Peace Palace Construction Update March - April 2016 https://vimeo.com/163522934

 
 
 https://vimeo.com/163522934 
 
 Peace Palace Construction Update March - April 2016 
https://vimeo.com/163522934 This is "Peace Palace Construction Update March - 
April 2016" by on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who 
love them.
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread salyavin808
usiness.findlaw... 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 -JaiGuruYou   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have mad

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808
o spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 

 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 

 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of Indian chanters the we owe it to them to darw it to their 
attention or we aren't very good friends.
 

 If you knew someone who was being scammed by a devious pension plan wouldn't 
you tell them if you knew? Yet the TMO gets many millions from selling prayers 
and all the while setting up a pseudo-scientific justification in the shape of 
Marshy's crap lectures about the unified field and continuing with John 
Hagelin's equally crap videos about string theory. It's a deliberate attempt to 
mis-sell something. The funny thing is they claim to be interested in science 
and yet they never put any of the more dubious products on the TM price list 
under any sort of serious scrutiny.
 

 Now, this discussion about Nader and how he could possibly have so much money 
(how much does he have? ) seems like many are jumping to conclusions about his 
guilt with regard to the Movement handing over millions of dollars to him for 
some reason. Why would they do this? Is he worth that much to them? I don't 
know Nader from a hole in the ground other than, I believe, he possesses a gold 
outfit complete with crown in his closet. I suggest people get some hard facts 
before proclaiming his guilt from the rooftops. BTW, where did you get your 
information? Judy seems to think that is important and you didn't answer that 
question in your response here.
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from. Is there another explanation for the wealth of the 
Nader family other than the TMO setting him up as some sort of world leader in 
waiting? If there is I haven't seen it, as he's a public figure appointed by 
Marshy to be the hereditary ruler of his domain I think we are owed an 
explanation. But I don't trust the TMO about money for the reasons I have 
stated.
 

 

 

 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808
? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808
titude that "they" (the fundamentalist) knows what's 
best for another, and therefore makes it a mission to convert "the other". And 
then, you must ask, where does it end.  
 

 The title of this autobiography is, "How I Became a Tyrant"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 
 I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations 
are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 

 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 

 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of Indian chanters the we owe it to them to darw it to their 
attention or we aren't very good friends.
 

 If you knew someone who was being scammed by a devious pension plan wouldn't 
you tell them if you knew? Yet the TMO gets many millions from selling prayers 
and all the while setting up a pseudo-scientific justification in the shape of 
Marshy's crap lectures about the unified field and continuing with John 
Hagelin's equally crap videos about string theory. It's a deliberate attempt to 
mis-sell something. The funny thing is they claim to be interested in science 
and yet they never put any of the more dubious products on the TM price list 
under any sort of serious scrutiny.
 

 Now, this discussion about Nader and how he could possibly have so much money 
(how much does he have? ) seems like many are jumping to conclusions about his 
guilt with regard to the Movement handing over millions of dollars to him for 
some reason. Why would they do this? Is he worth that much to them? I don't 
know Nader from a hole in the ground other than, I believe, he possesses a gold 
outfit complete with crown in his closet. I suggest people get some hard facts 
before proclaiming his guilt from the rooftops. BTW, where did you get your 
information? Judy seems to think that is important and you didn't answer that 
question in your response here.
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from. Is there another explanation for the wealth of the 
Nader family other than the TMO setting him up as some sort of world leader in 
waiting? If there is I haven't seen it, as he's a public figure appointed by 
Marshy to be the hereditary ruler of his domain I think we are owed an 
explanation. But I don't trust the TMO about money for the reasons I have 
stated.
 

 

 

 

 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html

 
 
 
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 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Question: Do 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations have to make their financial 
statements available to the public? Answer: Yes. Non-profit corporations ...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808
hoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 
 I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations 
are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 

 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 

 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of Indian chanters the we owe it to them to darw it to their 
attention or we aren't very good friends.
 

 If you knew someone who was being scammed by a devious pension plan wouldn't 
you tell them if you knew? Yet the TMO gets many millions from selling prayers 
and all the while setting up a pseudo-scientific justification in the shape of 
Marshy's crap lectures about the unified field and continuing with John 
Hagelin's equally crap videos about string theory. It's a deliberate attempt to 
mis-sell something. The funny thing is they claim to be interested in science 
and yet they never put any of the more dubious products on the TM price list 
under any sort of serious scrutiny.
 

 Now, this discussion about Nader and how he could possibly have so much money 
(how much does he have? ) seems like many are jumping to conclusions about his 
guilt with regard to the Movement handing over millions of dollars to him for 
some reason. Why would they do this? Is he worth that much to them? I don't 
know Nader from a hole in the ground other than, I believe, he possesses a gold 
outfit complete with crown in his closet. I suggest people get some hard facts 
before proclaiming his guilt from the rooftops. BTW, where did you get your 
information? Judy seems to think that is important and you didn't answer that 
question in your response here.
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from. Is there another explanation for the wealth of the 
Nader family other than the TMO setting him up as some sort of world leader in 
waiting? If there is I haven't seen it, as he's a public figure appointed by 
Marshy to be the hereditary ruler of his domain I think we are owed an 
explanation. But I don't trust the TMO about money for the reasons I have 
stated.
 

 

 

 

 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html

 
 
 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 
 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Question: Do 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations have to make their financial 
statements available to the public? Answer: Yes. Non-profit corporations ...


 
 View on smallbusiness.findlaw... 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 -JaiGuruYou   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-08 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 
 I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations 
are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 

 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 

 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of Indian chanters the we owe it to them to darw it to their 
attention or we aren't very good friends.
 

 If you knew someone who was being scammed by a devious pension plan wouldn't 
you tell them if you knew? Yet the TMO gets many millions from selling prayers 
and all the while setting up a pseudo-scientific justification in the shape of 
Marshy's crap lectures about the unified field and continuing with John 
Hagelin's equally crap videos about string theory. It's a deliberate attempt to 
mis-sell something. The funny thing is they claim to be interested in science 
and yet they never put any of the more dubious products on the TM price list 
under any sort of serious scrutiny.
 

 Now, this discussion about Nader and how he could possibly have so much money 
(how much does he have? ) seems like many are jumping to conclusions about his 
guilt with regard to the Movement handing over millions of dollars to him for 
some reason. Why would they do this? Is he worth that much to them? I don't 
know Nader from a hole in the ground other than, I believe, he possesses a gold 
outfit complete with crown in his closet. I suggest people get some hard facts 
before proclaiming his guilt from the rooftops. BTW, where did you get your 
information? Judy seems to think that is important and you didn't answer that 
question in your response here.
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from. Is there another explanation for the wealth of the 
Nader family other than the TMO setting him up as some sort of world leader in 
waiting? If there is I haven't seen it, as he's a public figure appointed by 
Marshy to be the hereditary ruler of his domain I think we are owed an 
explanation. But I don't trust the TMO about money for the reasons I have 
stated.
 

 

 

 

 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html

 
 
 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 
 Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Question: Do 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations have to make their financial 
statements available to the public? Answer: Yes. Non-profit corporations ...


 
 View on smallbusiness.findlaw... 
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 -JaiGuruYou   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
pa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-07 Thread salyavin808
e has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been s

[FairfieldLife] Deeper than deep....

2016-05-06 Thread salyavin808
From the silent depths of the ocean:
 

 Mariana trench live feed: engrossing viewing from deepest place on Earth 
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/06/mariana-trench-live-feed-engrossing-viewing-from-deepest-place-on-earth

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/06/mariana-trench-live-feed-engrossing-viewing-from-deepest-place-on-earth
 
 
 Mariana trench live feed: engrossing viewing from d... 
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/06/mariana-trench-live-feed-engrossing-viewing-from-deepest-place-on-earth
 Rare footage from 11km underwater streams on Youtube from National Oceanic and 
Atmospheric Administration vessel
 
 
 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/06/mariana-trench-live-feed-engrossing-viewing-from-deepest-place-on-earth
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-04 Thread salyavin808
bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-04 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Rick makes a good point about this below.  Different than Tony Nader’s larger 
French Lebanese family portfolio or some of the other altruistic TM big-wigs 
this comes as another good reason for the TM movement to post its financials on 
operations in detail on its webpages.  Not just pie-charts but standard 
financial statements in detail readily available to read.  If TM and all its 
shells is non-profit and charitable prove that it is well run by its trustees 
right now.  Once again TM's integrity is an open question.
 

 They have to do it if they want to retain any credibility here.
 

 How much do they make from yagya's worldwide? We know it's $5 million per 
annum from the monthly national one in the US but how much for all the extra 
private ones. If it's anything like the UK people will be getting them for 
illness, birthdays, dying pets, change the weather etc etc.
 

 To rake in this much cash for something that doesn't work AND not spend it on 
what you've been claiming to spend in on is indefensible.
 

 Non-profit organisations should have open books so we can see how much profit 
it is they don't have.
 

 

 

 -JaiGuruYou   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-02 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 

 








[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Shivaratri!

2016-03-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Look at what is happening, the pundits chant the Rudrabhishekam and   
 the golden calf is Trump, the perfect icon to break, it is everywhere the 
fruit of yagya.  In the TM movement itself.  One’s got to get through ignorance 
before enlightenment, even in TM.   
 

 Gosh Buck, I haven't been this freaked since I worked for the TMO! This is 
true believerism of the very highest order. You don't seem interested that the 
evidence in front of you contradicts the performance of yagya, but instead you 
try and work it round so it's all a necessary part of a major transformation 
rather than a sign of failure. 
 

 It's typical TMO behaviour and the sort of irrational nonsense and 
unconvincing rationalisation that drove me nuts in the first place. It's 
actually dangerous to assume you are correct at all times and if reality 
disagrees then it must be because of the "good things" you are doing anyway! 
Natural Law moves in mysterious ways obviously.
 

 A much simpler way to look at it is that none of it actually works. Do that 
and it all suddenly makes sense and you don't have to dig up "phase 
transitions" or other lame excuses to cover the fact that everything is falling 
apart. Might be a good idea to ask yourself why this stuff is worth so much 
mental effort to protect if it doesn't work. Happy to help.
 

 But anyhoo, I popped over to ask if there was a recording made of John 
Hagelins talk on Gravitational Waves and if you (or anyone) knew if it was 
going to be posted on Youtube? Would love to have been there.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Where has the TM movement gone?   Meditators are gone looking to the vibration 
of Mother Divine. A lot have left and they are following their hearts.  The 
meditating community largely, like here in town, is gone to the array of 
healing practices in town, they are gone to engage processes of Mother Divine, 
it is all happening.  Coming apart going to the heart of things.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We learn that the impact of yagya is global, it goes in to the environment. 
You may hire it, hire puja for Shiva for yourself but it is dissolution all 
around in to Mother Divine.  The TM movement, it is a restructuring that they 
are doing also on themselves for a chance for Mother Divine to come.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Brahmasthan Slideshow of Vedic Pandits with chanting from Rudrabhishek 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhipdlSTSQ 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhipdlSTSQ
 
 Brahmasthan Slideshow of Vedic Pandits with chanting... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhipdlSTSQ http://www.vedicpandits.org


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhipdlSTSQ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is it no coincidence, all the great transitions around us that we see and are 
in?  Even in the great TM movement itself?  Some could see that Guru Dev back 
in the 1940‘s with the large yagya he brought that ended world was II, and then 
Maharishi in coming to the West.  Setting this up, starting in the 20th Century 
up to now with all the chanting of the Rudra they have set in motion. Credit 
where credit is due in Nature,  
  Happy Shivaratri!-JaiGuruYou!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Om Namah Shivaya !
 

 
 Auspicious time for transitions/transformation.  
 

 Time of transformation,  

 this New moon in the calendar.

 

 and on the West coast a total lunar eclipse today. 
 

 -JaiGuruYou 
 

 
 















[FairfieldLife] Re: Community Meeting w/ John Hagelin Today

2016-03-08 Thread salyavin808

 Please can you post a video of this talk, if there is one?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 TONIGHT!! 

Tuesday night March 8th

Dalby Hall - 7:45 PM

A Special Presentation by

Dr. John Hagelin

The Discovery of Gravitational Waves...

And what they mean for you!


 


 

 

 
 


 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Leadership

2016-01-26 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What you mention about someone with anger issues mucking up the whole 
meditating community, is an odd effect from a technique that has so much to 
offer. We all know the background of Maharishi not seeing a need for an 
integration of the study of psychology with the benefits of TM, but this 
appears to now have resulted in a serious problem wrt the movement's ongoing 
liveliness. 
 

 I guess the real question is: Why doesn't TM - if it has so much to offer - 
not clear up people's anger problems?
 

 It's hardly a rare thing, my overriding memories of working in the TMO was of 
highly stressed, angry and generally dysfunctional people. Not all of them by 
any means, but enough to make a casual observer wonder what was going on. And 
what seemed to be going on was that these people thought they were doing fine 
because they were On The Program and thus their thoughts were in perfect accord 
with Natural Law. Therefore any problems are with other people.
 

 The sooner you all get out of the idea that meditation - of any sort - makes 
your thoughts special in some way the sooner it will start working like a 
proper organisation with people holding themselves responsible for their 
actions rather than everyone trying to rationalise why the leaders are hopeless 
when Marshy - in his infinite wisdom - chose them for us.
 

 To somehow believe that in the absence of any instruction except, "take it 
easy, take it as it comes", and the diligent practice of TM, that everything 
will magically sort itself out mentally, emotionally, physically, socially, and 
financially, is pretty naive. Add to that the inevitable "cart before the 
horse" attitude wrt behavior in spiritual environments (faux emulation of 
"enlightened" living), and you end up with a bunch of emotional powder kegs in 
the community. Light is essential for seeing the world, but it is the shadows 
that give everything its reality. Has anyone spoken to this angry person in a 
clear and direct fashion, about this problem, or is that not possible? 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Really Great observation, Back_for_more  about capable leadership qualities in 
the abstract.
 

 Fine, but add in a derangement or two and you get a nut.  
 

  Here in the movement we got someone in the middle of leadership of our 
meditating community group who has ruled with some of those leadership 
qualities in the abstract except that in character is unable to be magnanimous 
and is out of balance with serious anger management issues that have completely 
tied the group up and in effect driven a whole movement off in to exile. 
 

 As you say below it is about relational balance.
 

 I know someone who knows Donald.  The Trump is full compulsive obsessive. Not 
just a little but real.  The person says that you don’t want Trump running the 
country.  
 

 Where would US citizens go in to exile whence an evident nut like Trump could 
come in to disruption and control of our lives?  The twentieth century had 
plenty of examples to draw on of that happening. 
 

 I am looking for balance in leadership. A good human being.
 

 As part of the Iowa caucus cycle I have seen all three of the democratic 
candidates and I am fine with either of them from this standpoint of reasonable 
balance and self control.   
 

 #
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anne , are you in a position to criticize Trump's negotiating skills?  If you 
are , I think the New York Times would love to have an editorial from you, the 
National Review also!
 

 Sure I am and so are you. Just watch him. He may have pushed and bullied his 
way around the corporate world but these tactics don't work as the leader of a 
country. My reasons for thinking this are below in my initial post. It doesn't 
take much of a brain to extrapolate from all of his bluster from the podium 
that his way or the highway can only end in war and disaster. Perhaps he is all 
hot air and were he to actually assume the office of the President of the US he 
will turn out to be a contemplative, sane, rational, balanced human being but 
from all evidence from the stump he appears exactly the opposite. It is 
precisely because his techniques have worked in his (corporate) world so far 
that he is stupid enough to think they will work in the different context in 
his role as President (although he will never assume office). I heard him say 
earlier on that he will hire the best negotiators in the world as his advisors 
even though they are "harrible, harrible human beings". Does this sound like a 
good idea to you? 
 

 I grew up in a family where the patriarch (my father) was one of the most 
powerful and influential CEO's in the world. He was brave, smart, fair, decent 
and yet no push over. I grew up around this. I know 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein - close but no cigar

2016-01-26 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 After sending the post about time travel being impossible 'cos we ain't seen 
time travellers . . . it occured to me that time travel could be theoretically 
possible but maybe it is prohibitively expensive - using up half the energy in 
the Universe, say - or maybe Our Great Leader Nathaniel Clinton (Hillary and 
Bill's great-grandson) of the New World Order has forbidden the use of such 
machines because of the dangerous implications.
 

 I was trying to work out the practicalities, assuming cost is no option. What 
you need is a spinning black hole that isn't "feeding" ie: tearing things apart 
with it's gravitational pull. This is going to be tricky for a start because 
they are effectively invisible. But the main problem is that they are all, 
luckily, a long way away. So far that it would take us millions of years to get 
there, and given that we could and the only type of time machine that's 
possible is the "closed loop" type we'd be prevented from creating cancer cure 
paradoxes by the fact that travelling back to Earth and finding the cure and 
then back to the black hole would take so long it would hardly be a feasible 
cure and the paradox wouldn't amount to much because the people we left behind 
would probably have discovered it anyway by the time we got back.
 

 But this doesn't prevent the awkwardness of the time travel paradox, if we 
take a cancer cure back then the universe we grow up in must have had the cure 
in our past thus making it difficult for someone to discover it in the future. 
Hawking gets round this by saying that travel to the past activates new 
universes via the Everett many-worlds method of new potential futures (or light 
cones) every time we try and bend ourselves back to where our time machine 
started from.
 

 Sounds a bit convenient to me, maybe there's another way round it?
 

 

 

 
 

 Also, light rays from the Battle of Hastings have been travelling into space 
since 1066. You can imagine scientists being able to refocus the rays to 
witness the scene (but crucially not being able to influence it).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re this story: on another site someone added a comment - "A time machine in my 
lifetime would be awesome."
 To which some wag responded: "If it happens at all it'll be in everyone's 
lifetime".
 

 Nice.
 

 Yes. Reminds me of the old physicists joke:
 

 "What do we want?"
 

 "Time travel!"
 

 "When do we want it?"
 

 "It's irrelevant!"
 

 It's a bit like those who argue that if there are aliens how come we ain't 
seen them. 
 So if there are time machines how come no one from the future pops up with a 
cure for cancer.
 

 At least aliens are possible, even if they are a bit elusive or can't be 
bothered to get out much. But is time travel? Nobody has ever demonstrated that 
your traditional TARDIS, the one we all want, is actually permitted by the laws 
of physics. But some types of time travel are possible, and one is even really 
easy.
 

 The easy one is to travel relativistically into the Earth's future. All you 
need is a spaceship that can accelerate at one Earth gravity and then you go 
for a trip round the nearest star. Time will pass slowly for you but for 
observers on Earth it will go slow. So when you get back it's thousands of 
years into the future. This time dilation prediction of Einstein's was actually 
tested as far back as the 70's with one of those supersonic spyplanes and a 
pair of atomic clocks. Not what we want as you can't go backwards, not easily 
anyway but even that's theoretically possible, with caveats.
 

 I read a book by a top physicist who'd lost his father in Vietnam and promised 
himself that if it was possible he would build a time machine and go back to 
say goodbye. So he devoted a lot of time to it even while he was gaining tenure 
and a reputation for general extreme cleverness. Working on time travel is 
career suicide in those days so he kept it quiet until he was sure he'd cracked 
it and made a presentation to the world's finest minds at a conference, and 
they agreed with him that it's possible. 
 

 Tricky though, it involves manipulating the extreme time dilation effects 
round a spinning black hole with lasers and opening a wormhole to the past and 
flying through. Because time stands still relative to an observer, and is all 
so compressed as it spins round, it's apparently possible to travel backwards 
but not beyond the time when the machine was built. So time travel may be a 
thing of the future only and you might actually get people popping back with 
cures for things. But given the difficulty of getting near enough to a black 
hole to work on it with being destroyed yourself it seems like the last thing 
anyone is going to consider a good investment. 
 

 And Stephen Hawking thinks that the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Leadership

2016-01-26 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What you mention about someone with anger issues mucking up the whole 
meditating community, is an odd effect from a technique that has so much to 
offer. We all know the background of Maharishi not seeing a need for an 
integration of the study of psychology with the benefits of TM, but this 
appears to now have resulted in a serious problem wrt the movement's ongoing 
liveliness. 
 

 I guess the real question is: Why doesn't TM - if it has so much to offer - 
not clear up people's anger problems?
 

 I guess I'm the naive one or maybe it was so long ago that I was involved in 
TM and being around a bunch of meditators that I don't remember feeling this; 
but I don't think I ever believed it could solve all the personality quirks and 
hangups of people. 
 

 You must never have read Marshy's book, The Science of Being and Art of 
Living. It's the TM bible but I'm sure it's obvious to all by now - or should 
be - that it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 

 It's hardly a rare thing, my overriding memories of working in the TMO was of 
highly stressed, angry and generally dysfunctional people. Not all of them by 
any means, but enough to make a casual observer wonder what was going on. And 
what seemed to be going on was that these people thought they were doing fine 
because they were On The Program and thus their thoughts were in perfect accord 
with Natural Law. Therefore any problems are with other people.
 

 Did most people you worked with really think they were in accord with natural 
law?! So, they thought they were enlightened or something? Or did they just 
think because they meditated they were suddenly part of some elite club of do 
gooders? 
 

 Both. And then some. Just like a lot of people hereAre you sure you 
attended a movement facility?
 

 

 


 






















[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Leadership

2016-01-26 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don’t see the problem as anything to do with TM or its instruction, nor have 
I encountered anyone doing the program along with a normal career and family 
life who has encountered any problems.
 

 I don't believe you, or you don't get out much. But don't worry I was like it 
once, I used to think it was the best thing but I was taught to think that. One 
day I woke up, the Kool-Aid had worn off and I saw it all for what it was, but 
I always kept one foot in the world and never believed all that unified field 
crap so I was lucky, it was easy to get back to reality. 
 

 The issue seems to be those who have forsaken everything, in order to chase 
enlightenment by copying Maharishi. Nature does not operate in this way, a dog 
doesn’t suddenly decide to become a cat, so I am not sure where anyone got the 
idea that living as faux-Indians and meditating much more than is healthy, 
leads to salvation.
 

 That isn't really the issue, this problem seems to affect a lot of people in 
the long term TMO regardless of their level of devotion. The point I'm making 
is it's the complete opposite of the result that we are taught to expect and 
the opposite of the one the TMO still puts forward in its literature. Remember 
the book Science of Being? It's all a far cry from the simple mechanics 
espoused by the reesh in those hallowed pages. The mere suggestion that you 
thought you needed a shrink was enough to get you drummed out in the old days.
 

 TM was not introduced as any sort of a lifestyle change. It was always meant 
as an enhancement, not the be all and end all of our existence. The other thing 
those in the movement seem to have missed is that Maharishi never set himself 
up as a personal guru to anyone. As the founder of TM, some people made an 
association with Maharishi that to emulate what he did and said would gain the 
goal more quickly. But that isn’t consistent about what even he said about TM, 
that it makes you your own person, by eliminating stress.
 

 So how come Marshy ended up surrounded by a bunch of drones who obeyed his 
diktats about what to wear, what length to have their hair, who to marry, who 
not to marry etc without question? Probably because that's the way he liked it, 
an audience of people who think he's a supreme being who speaks the absolute 
truth is going to be better at coughing up donations than someone simply 
teaching yoga at the village hall. 
 

 Marshy sold the whole package, diet, astrology, health "care", world peace. It 
was damn clever and they still come up with new "vedic" ideas to extract cash 
from you if you aren't careful. The US yagya program takes $5 million per annum 
just for the routine monthly prayers, let alone the "specials" people buy 
because they swallowed the pseudo-scientific crap the TMO dish out about cosmic 
consciousness and string theory.
 

 If TM made you your own person why so many brainwashed feebs wandering about 
thinking he was speaking the ultimate truth about everything because he was 
perfectly in accord with some mythical Natural Law? 
 

 That being the case, we can expect to face greater opportunities, and a more 
dynamic life, than without TM. All that deep rest has to emerge somewhere. It 
is also a reasonable expectation that some of us will need therapy to 
understand and deal with these changes. Maharishi could not help with that, 
because it was outside of his personal and cultural context. The error was in 
assuming that his choice was the right one, for the West. It wasn’t.

 

 Yes, I agree that Marshy was wrong about pretty much everything, but you're 
giving him a free pass in ignoring his teaching in favour of re-interpreting 
everything on his behalf. 
 

 Yes, any dedicated spiritual pursuit enlarges our world for us, and it is 
foolish to think that we can simply follow a template already laid out by 
someone else, to gain eternal peace and fulfillment. TM is an amazing 
technique, with far more to offer than most realize. But it takes us working 
with ourselves, and perhaps some outside assistance, to integrate it. Given its 
mechanical nature, eliminating stress and opening us to ourselves, there is a 
lot to integrate.
 

 So TM will bring up the elements that may be causing anger, though it is the 
practitioner’s responsibility to do something about it, without the assumption 
that it is someone else’s fault, or by trying to meditate it away.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What you mention about someone with anger issues mucking up the whole 
meditating community, is an odd effect from a technique that has so much to 
offer. We all know the background of Maharishi not seeing a need for an 
integration of the study of psychology with the benefits of TM, but this 
appears to now have resulted in a serious problem wrt the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein - close but no cigar

2016-01-24 Thread salyavin808



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Faster than light they must be relativistically moving backwards in time.":
 

 This stuff is beyond my pay grade but I understand that talk of backwards time 
travel is based on the "light cone" - zones in our past are "now" outside the 
ability of a light signal to reach us (see below).
 

 However, if neutrinos can exceed light speed then maybe that just means the 
angle at the cone's tip should be larger . . ?
 

 If that is not the case and neutrinos can send signals back into the past then 
ponder this:
 

 A mad scientist sets up an experiment in which a neutrino beam sends a signal 
into the past (say one second before). If a receiver picks up the signal sent 
from one second in the future it immediately shuts down the transmitter so 
ensuring that no signal will ever be sent.
 

 Mindfcuk.
 

 A contradiction. 
 

 A contradiction in *reality*!
 

 That's the funny thing about the "sum over histories" interpretation of 
quantum theory, we could do a Shrodinger's cat type experiment that has two 
outcomes in the same universe. This must mean that it's possible - to use 
Feynman's analogy - that you could apply for a job and both get it and not get 
it as all particles behave in an entangled way. So it's possible that you could 
meet someone who remembers you getting the job when you didn't get it. The 
chances of that are rather small though, hard to imagine a less likely bet but 
apparently it's possible so fundamental contradictions could happen. 
 

 Reality may be - but most likely isn't - a lot stranger than we suppose. As 
Douglas Adams observed, if the universe ground to a halt because one bit of it 
looked at another bit and said "That doesn't make sense" it would have got past 
the first nanosecond...
 

 I'm not sure if you could ever do such an experiment with a neutrino as the 
start travelling faster than light, this must make them slippery customers in 
an experimental sense because they are long gone before you switch on the 
measurement device - or even think of it if they are far enough away - but 
doesn't the principle of wave like duality means that if you did a double-slit 
experiment with them you'd end up without a counter-intuitive interference 
pattern?
 

 One rationalisation of the interference problem states that the everything in 
the subatomic world moves backwards in time thus solving the problem, but that 
adds another level of explanation as to why we appear to be moving forwards so 
I suspect we can ditch that idea.
 

 Help! The manifold of space-time is starting to unravel.
 

 I think that's just my brain...In an infinite universe, anything permitted by 
the laws of physics has already happened an infinite number of times. 
 

 Is anyone out there?
 

 The Hubble Space Telescope has been looking for other Earth type planets and 
the spread of dense matter when compared to the amount of devastating 
supernovae in the early universe means that ours might be one of the first 
planets capable of bearing life as we know it. This is a good solution to the 
Fermi paradox - that we must be alone because no aliens have visited us yet - 
they simply haven't evolved beyond the level we have.
 

 The team estimate there are possibly a trillion Earth type worlds in the 
galaxy though. Do all of them ponder the same sort of things in the same sort 
of way, or is it possible our maths and way of constructing our experiments 
limit our understanding by pushing us into a cone of ever decreasing 
explanations we are doomed to call reality thus missing the bigger picture 
altogether?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Scientists said on Thursday they recorded particles travelling faster than 
light.
 Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the international group of researchers, said 
that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near 
Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light 
would have done. 

 "We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for 
anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he 
said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

 
 If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of 
special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" 
and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

 

 That's interesting, as are neutrinos themselves. If I recall correctly, they 
are forged as a byproduct of nuclear fusion inside stars,  the first odd thing 
about them is that they start travelling faster than light speed so they 
side-step the problem with acceleration. They are also massless which means 
they avoid having infinite mass - having none to start with - this also helps 
avoid destroying the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein - close but no cigar

2016-01-24 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re this story: on another site someone added a comment - "A time machine in my 
lifetime would be awesome."
 To which some wag responded: "If it happens at all it'll be in everyone's 
lifetime".
 

 Nice.
 

 Yes. Reminds me of the old physicists joke:
 

 "What do we want?"
 

 "Time travel!"
 

 "When do we want it?"
 

 "It's irrelevant!"
 

 It's a bit like those who argue that if there are aliens how come we ain't 
seen them. 
 So if there are time machines how come no one from the future pops up with a 
cure for cancer.
 

 At least aliens are possible, even if they are a bit elusive or can't be 
bothered to get out much. But is time travel? Nobody has ever demonstrated that 
your traditional TARDIS, the one we all want, is actually permitted by the laws 
of physics. But some types of time travel are possible, and one is even really 
easy.
 

 The easy one is to travel relativistically into the Earth's future. All you 
need is a spaceship that can accelerate at one Earth gravity and then you go 
for a trip round the nearest star. Time will pass slowly for you but for 
observers on Earth it will go slow. So when you get back it's thousands of 
years into the future. This time dilation prediction of Einstein's was actually 
tested as far back as the 70's with one of those supersonic spyplanes and a 
pair of atomic clocks. Not what we want as you can't go backwards, not easily 
anyway but even that's theoretically possible, with caveats.
 

 I read a book by a top physicist who'd lost his father in Vietnam and promised 
himself that if it was possible he would build a time machine and go back to 
say goodbye. So he devoted a lot of time to it even while he was gaining tenure 
and a reputation for general extreme cleverness. Working on time travel is 
career suicide in those days so he kept it quiet until he was sure he'd cracked 
it and made a presentation to the world's finest minds at a conference, and 
they agreed with him that it's possible. 
 

 Tricky though, it involves manipulating the extreme time dilation effects 
round a spinning black hole with lasers and opening a wormhole to the past and 
flying through. Because time stands still relative to an observer, and is all 
so compressed as it spins round, it's apparently possible to travel backwards 
but not beyond the time when the machine was built. So time travel may be a 
thing of the future only and you might actually get people popping back with 
cures for things. But given the difficulty of getting near enough to a black 
hole to work on it with being destroyed yourself it seems like the last thing 
anyone is going to consider a good investment. 
 

 And Stephen Hawking thinks that the wormholes would collapse as soon as you 
entered them anyway, so it looks like history will continue to be just one damn 
thing after another...
 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

2016-01-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I once heard Maharishi talk about his early days while in Germany. He said 
that the German teachers had told him, in so many words, "if you can't dazzle 
them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit", an old W.C. Fields 
quote. Of course M didn't use those words but that was the gist of it. Try to 
talk *above* your audience. And of course, that explains the *flowery* speak 
the TMO is noted for. You're so baffled by the idiocy of how something is 
presented to you that the substance escapes your critical thinking.
 

 If it wasn't for the food and the fact I like meditating I would have run a 
mile when they said that I shouldn't try and understand it, but let it sink in 
at a deep level. Marshy's lectures always annoyed me with the rambling and the 
logical inconsistencies, I used to fall asleep and let it all wash over me 
until the dinner gong went.


 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *getting them in the door, by hook or by crook*. If you were a 
student of foreign languages, someone would come up with a study that says TM 
fine tunes the ear, making it easier to hear and thus pronounce words in a 
foreign language better. Whatever floats your boat in other words.

 

 Yes, I was being rhetorical. It's obvious he's a front man for the same old BS 
from the TMO, blind 'em with science and hope they don't follow the links from 
the impressive looking list of journal references. 
 

 Remember the references they cited when they wanted everyone to buy houses 
that faced east? A list of 10 papers in the International Journal of 
Neurophysiology no less, but follow the link and it turned out to be a bunch of 
interesting, but irrelevant, stuff about how rats find their way about in the 
dark. Nothing about inherent direction finding in mammals, and even if there 
was it would be magnetic and therefore north/south based. Why would a mammal be 
east sensitive? Anyway, they were obviously hoping no one would actually go and 
look. 
 

 I always thought Lynch was there to project an image simply of the benefits of 
meditation without all the silly woo-woo that is associated with TM like the 
levitation that isn't, and yagyas and world peace creation. That stuff goes 
down well with the True Believer but the average Joe will see through it in a 
second, hence the need for a new approach with a bit of apparently independent 
celebrity endorsement. The website looks great but it looks like he's borrowed 
the same approach - and undoubtably written by the same people - from the TMO. 
 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

 
   

 My first glance at Lynch's website doesn't fill me with hope that the TMO have 
started playing straight with the facts. He makes a claim for 51% reduction in 
physical problems associated with HIV/AIDS and provides a link to references. 
Follow the link and there are only two papers related to HIV/AIDS, one 
unpublished one by MUM, and another that admits in its own abstract that the 
sample size was too small to justify the claims and further research is needed 
for validation. And in any case, was only related to vitality and not physical 
problems.
 

 I know people who have died of AIDS and I am pissed off that the TMO would 
potentially try and get the hopes up of sick people with the usual dump of 
impressive sounding claims that aren't backed up. So where is the data, did I 
miss something? My best guess from reading that lot is that they are 
extrapolating from their other unconnected "research", but look down the list 
of references and it's all the same old stuff from the collected papers that no 
one ever rated as quality research, sure some of the newer stuff might be 
better but is it relevant? 

 

 Another of the claims for TM as an HIV/AIDS treatment great for anxiety and 
depression, are there any papers on mental health TM and AIDS patients? No. 
There's a few website testimonials but we all know they prove nothing. Besides, 
I know so many long term TMers that get a bit of extra help for personal 
problems that I've lost count, just as well they weren't included in the 
research huh? And then there's the FF Mental Health Alliance, does Lynch know 
about this blatant contradiction of the claims on his website?
 

 I'm curious, can anyone else find a decent bit of research actually showing 
that TM helps people with AIDS in the way they claim on Lynch's site?
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mikemail4you@...> wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

2016-01-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I once heard Maharishi talk about his early days while in Germany. He said 
that the German teachers had told him, in so many words, "if you can't dazzle 
them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit", an old W.C. Fields 
quote. Of course M didn't use those words but that was the gist of it. Try to 
talk *above* your audience. And of course, that explains the *flowery* speak 
the TMO is noted for. You're so baffled by the idiocy of how something is 
presented to you that the substance escapes your critical thinking.
 

 If it wasn't for the food and the fact I like meditating I would have run a 
mile when they said that I shouldn't try and understand it, but let it sink in 
at a deep level. Marshy's lectures always annoyed me with the rambling and the 
logical inconsistencies, I used to fall asleep and let it all wash over me 
until the dinner gong went.
 

 That's one of the reasons I would never have made it through Teacher Training 
- MMY was such a snooze. Plus, I just don't have it in me to follow the rules. 
I'll go along for a while but sooner rather than later I start wandering off 
the path and before I know it I've wandered onto the exit ramp of some freeway 
and ended up in Omaha when I was supposed to go to Chicago. I had a great time 
at MIU, had lots of cool friends, broke the rules but not so much I got kicked 
out. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything - MIU was pretty 'happenin'' 
in the late 70's and early 80's. After that something funny happened after I 
left. Turns out the exit ramp came up at exactly the right time, for me.


 It was the lifestyle that kept me there for so long, I got to live in a nice 
Tudor manor house, all food was cooked by decent chefs and the work was fun but 
easy. At least it was when I stopped working for the publicity department as I 
stopped believing the bits I did believe while I was there, and that made it 
hard work because my heart has to be into it for me to get enthusiastic, and 
also to be convincing for those on the receiving end. You can't sell something 
that you think is rubbish no matter what the sales training experts tell you!
 

 Good times though, and a good experience that not many get to have. As long as 
you keep one foot on the ground you can get away from cults if it gets too 
weird...
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *getting them in the door, by hook or by crook*. If you were a 
student of foreign languages, someone would come up with a study that says TM 
fine tunes the ear, making it easier to hear and thus pronounce words in a 
foreign language better. Whatever floats your boat in other words.

 

 Yes, I was being rhetorical. It's obvious he's a front man for the same old BS 
from the TMO, blind 'em with science and hope they don't follow the links from 
the impressive looking list of journal references. 
 

 Remember the references they cited when they wanted everyone to buy houses 
that faced east? A list of 10 papers in the International Journal of 
Neurophysiology no less, but follow the link and it turned out to be a bunch of 
interesting, but irrelevant, stuff about how rats find their way about in the 
dark. Nothing about inherent direction finding in mammals, and even if there 
was it would be magnetic and therefore north/south based. Why would a mammal be 
east sensitive? Anyway, they were obviously hoping no one would actually go and 
look. 
 

 I always thought Lynch was there to project an image simply of the benefits of 
meditation without all the silly woo-woo that is associated with TM like the 
levitation that isn't, and yagyas and world peace creation. That stuff goes 
down well with the True Believer but the average Joe will see through it in a 
second, hence the need for a new approach with a bit of apparently independent 
celebrity endorsement. The website looks great but it looks like he's borrowed 
the same approach - and undoubtably written by the same people - from the TMO. 
 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

 
   

 My first glance at Lynch's website doesn't fill me with hope that the TMO have 
started playing straight with the facts. He makes a claim for 51% reduction in 
physical problems associated with HIV/AIDS and provides a link to references. 
Follow the link and there are only two papers re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein - close but no cigar

2016-01-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Scientists said on Thursday they recorded particles travelling faster than 
light.
 Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the international group of researchers, said 
that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near 
Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light 
would have done. 

 "We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for 
anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he 
said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

 
 If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of 
special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" 
and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

 

 That's interesting, as are neutrinos themselves. If I recall correctly, they 
are forged as a byproduct of nuclear fusion inside stars,  the first odd thing 
about them is that they start travelling faster than light speed so they 
side-step the problem with acceleration. They are also massless which means 
they avoid having infinite mass - having none to start with - this also helps 
avoid destroying the universe as there are rather a lot of them. A few billion 
neutrinos from the sun pass through every square inch of your skin every second.
 

 Perhaps the most interesting thing about them is that if they really are 
travelling faster than light they must be relativistically moving backwards in 
time. This is because time slows down for the observer as you get close to 
light speed and stops when you reach it (not that you can) but anything going 
faster is - compared to our time frame - going backwards.
 

 This has been used as a plot device in hard sci-fi for decades, astrophysicist 
Gregory Benford wrote his Timescape novel featuring communication from the 
future via neutrino beams, as did John Carpenter in his movie Prince of 
Darkness (it was far and away the best bit of the film)..

 

 So the question is, how come these guys at CERN didn't know this? Do they not 
read sci-fi or was Benford's book transmitted back through time as a publicity 
stunt? Perhaps it was pure theory until now and they are justifiably excited in 
being able to prove it?
 

 Interesting stuff, but Einstein is safe, for now




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

2016-01-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 LOL! Me to!

 Yeah, I found it very annoying to listen to him as well. Wish I could have 
fallen asleep.
 I was usually good for about ten minutes but when he closed his eyes and 
started rambling it was like WTF!

 But the problem with dozing during rounding courses is that it can all sink in 
and you start believing it all anyway, and before you know it you're saying "I 
got some nature support today" when what you meant to say was "There was an 
available table at the cafe this morning." There's a vast gulf in sanity 
between those two statements, and it creeps up on you without you realising it, 
and before you know it you've got the yagya service on speed dial
 

 Not that I ever did any of that obviously
 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I once heard Maharishi talk about his early days while in Germany. He said 
that the German teachers had told him, in so many words, "if you can't dazzle 
them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit", an old W.C. Fields 
quote. Of course M didn't use those words but that was the gist of it. Try to 
talk *above* your audience. And of course, that explains the *flowery* speak 
the TMO is noted for. You're so baffled by the idiocy of how something is 
presented to you that the substance escapes your critical thinking.
 

 If it wasn't for the food and the fact I like meditating I would have run a 
mile when they said that I shouldn't try and understand it, but let it sink in 
at a deep level. Marshy's lectures always annoyed me with the rambling and the 
logical inconsistencies, I used to fall asleep and let it all wash over me 
until the dinner gong went.


 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *getting them in the door, by hook or by crook*. If you were a 
student of foreign languages, someone would come up with a study that says TM 
fine tunes the ear, making it easier to hear and thus pronounce words in a 
foreign language better. Whatever floats your boat in other words.

 

 Yes, I was being rhetorical. It's obvious he's a front man for the same old BS 
from the TMO, blind 'em with science and hope they don't follow the links from 
the impressive looking list of journal references. 
 

 Remember the references they cited when they wanted everyone to buy houses 
that faced east? A list of 10 papers in the International Journal of 
Neurophysiology no less, but follow the link and it turned out to be a bunch of 
interesting, but irrelevant, stuff about how rats find their way about in the 
dark. Nothing about inherent direction finding in mammals, and even if there 
was it would be magnetic and therefore north/south based. Why would a mammal be 
east sensitive? Anyway, they were obviously hoping no one would actually go and 
look. 
 

 I always thought Lynch was there to project an image simply of the benefits of 
meditation without all the silly woo-woo that is associated with TM like the 
levitation that isn't, and yagyas and world peace creation. That stuff goes 
down well with the True Believer but the average Joe will see through it in a 
second, hence the need for a new approach with a bit of apparently independent 
celebrity endorsement. The website looks great but it looks like he's borrowed 
the same approach - and undoubtably written by the same people - from the TMO. 
 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

 
   

 My first glance at Lynch's website doesn't fill me with hope that the TMO have 
started playing straight with the facts. He makes a claim for 51% reduction in 
physical problems associated with HIV/AIDS and provides a link to references. 
Follow the link and there are only two papers related to HIV/AIDS, one 
unpublished one by MUM, and another that admits in its own abstract that the 
sample size was too small to justify the claims and further research is needed 
for validation. And in any case, was only related to vitality and not physical 
problems.
 

 I know people who have died of AIDS and I am pissed off that the TMO would 
potentially try and get the hopes up of sick people with the usual dump of 
impressive sounding claims that aren't backed up. So where is the data, did I 
miss something? My best guess from reading that lot is t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Europe on the Verge of Collapse

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to George Soros, the billionaire financier, the refugee crisis is 
causing it.  Germany and the other countries will have to find a way to find 
jobs for refugees and teach them the languages of their new home to assimilate 
their new culture.  If not, they can be radicalized.
 

 Perhaps if Soros and all the world's other multi-billionaires could pay a bit 
of tax on the money they leech out of Europe we could afford a development 
programme or two
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/europe-verge-collapse-soros-161420378.html# 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/europe-verge-collapse-soros-161420378.html#
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 It's called *getting them in the door, by hook or by crook*. If you were a 
student of foreign languages, someone would come up with a study that says TM 
fine tunes the ear, making it easier to hear and thus pronounce words in a 
foreign language better. Whatever floats your boat in other words.

 

 Yes, I was being rhetorical. It's obvious he's a front man for the same old BS 
from the TMO, blind 'em with science and hope they don't follow the links from 
the impressive looking list of journal references. 
 

 Remember the references they cited when they wanted everyone to buy houses 
that faced east? A list of 10 papers in the International Journal of 
Neurophysiology no less, but follow the link and it turned out to be a bunch of 
interesting, but irrelevant, stuff about how rats find their way about in the 
dark. Nothing about inherent direction finding in mammals, and even if there 
was it would be magnetic and therefore north/south based. Why would a mammal be 
east sensitive? Anyway, they were obviously hoping no one would actually go and 
look. 
 

 I always thought Lynch was there to project an image simply of the benefits of 
meditation without all the silly woo-woo that is associated with TM like the 
levitation that isn't, and yagyas and world peace creation. That stuff goes 
down well with the True Believer but the average Joe will see through it in a 
second, hence the need for a new approach with a bit of apparently independent 
celebrity endorsement. The website looks great but it looks like he's borrowed 
the same approach - and undoubtably written by the same people - from the TMO. 
 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today
 
 
   

 My first glance at Lynch's website doesn't fill me with hope that the TMO have 
started playing straight with the facts. He makes a claim for 51% reduction in 
physical problems associated with HIV/AIDS and provides a link to references. 
Follow the link and there are only two papers related to HIV/AIDS, one 
unpublished one by MUM, and another that admits in its own abstract that the 
sample size was too small to justify the claims and further research is needed 
for validation. And in any case, was only related to vitality and not physical 
problems.
 

 I know people who have died of AIDS and I am pissed off that the TMO would 
potentially try and get the hopes up of sick people with the usual dump of 
impressive sounding claims that aren't backed up. So where is the data, did I 
miss something? My best guess from reading that lot is that they are 
extrapolating from their other unconnected "research", but look down the list 
of references and it's all the same old stuff from the collected papers that no 
one ever rated as quality research, sure some of the newer stuff might be 
better but is it relevant? 

 

 Another of the claims for TM as an HIV/AIDS treatment great for anxiety and 
depression, are there any papers on mental health TM and AIDS patients? No. 
There's a few website testimonials but we all know they prove nothing. Besides, 
I know so many long term TMers that get a bit of extra help for personal 
problems that I've lost count, just as well they weren't included in the 
research huh? And then there's the FF Mental Health Alliance, does Lynch know 
about this blatant contradiction of the claims on his website?
 

 I'm curious, can anyone else find a decent bit of research actually showing 
that TM helps people with AIDS in the way they claim on Lynch's site?
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mikemail4you@...> wrote :

 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1hUSumUc4k 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1hUSumUc4k

 

 THE GREEK HAPPY BIRTHDAY SONG FOR DAVID LYNCH, sung by Demetrios Kanellakos, 
JANUARY 20, 2016 

 

 **
 

 DAVID LYCH INSPIRED HALF OF HOLLYWOODS STARS 

 TO SPONSER THE DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION 

 TO BRING TM TO MORE THAN 200 000 SCHOOLKIDS
 AND VETERANS AND OTHERS WHO NEED HELP
 TO BECOME FIT FOR LIFE AND DEVELOP THEIR
 FULL POTENTIAL.

 AMONG THE STARS WHO  MEDITATE  ARE 

 JERRY SEINFELD AND KATHY PERRY, 

  THE 2 MOST SUCCESSFULL ARTISTS OF 2015...
 

 PLEASE ENJOY DAVIDS WONDERFULL INSPIRING WEBSITE:
 

 https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/
 

 https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/

 “The Quiet Time Program is the most powerful, effective program I’ve come 
across in my 40 years as a public school educator. It is nourishing these 
children and providing them an immensely valuable tool for life. It is saving 
lives.”
 

 —James S. Dierke, Executive Vice President, American Federati

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a good idea?

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin,
 

 If these advanced civilizations used panspermia for propagating themselves, 
then it appears that they weren't able to find ways of traveling at the speed 
of light or even at superluminal velocity.
 

 There's a pretty good reason for that. To accelerate one particle to light 
speed would take the entire rest of the universe as fuel, and mass being 
infinite at light speed you wouldn't quite make it even if you used the 
particle itself. We can forget about moving that fast and blame Einstein for 
spoiling our fun...
 

   The Srimad Bhagatam mentioned of rishis who were able to travel at various 
locations in the universe.  For example, Narada was able to travel the universe 
apparently through his consciousness alone.  It would appear that he was able 
to arrive at those locations instantaneously.
 

 I suspect these stories are allegorical rather than historical facts, maybe to 
the daydreaming soul of the iron age mystic these journeys symbolised ultimate 
achievement? Or were a way of telling tales about the trials of life but at a 
distance, like the Brothers Grimm. 
 

 The most credence I'll give it is that perhaps there's a lucid dreaming state 
that we can enter that really makes us think these places we go to in our minds 
are real. That'd be cool and would get me on a course if it was offered.
 

 As a sidelight, there is an Indian guru by the name of Dr. Pillai who 
currently teaches his students how to turn themselves into light. 
 

 I'm sure their wallets will be emptied at an impressive speed even if nothing 
else happens.
 

  If that is true, they could presumably travel to other worlds at the speed of 
light. But that would also mean that they would be limited to the speed of 
light.   As such, by using the ideas of relativity, it may take them thousands 
of years to travel at the speed of light to another galaxy.   But for the 
traveler, the trip would seem to be instantaneous,
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Human beings could be the result of such extra-terrestrial propagation system.
 

 Only if they did all life on Earth because DNA from all species here is 
completely interrelated, on a cellular level life here is identical apart from 
how genes have radiated from their starting point. Sending us here and faking 
the genome so it looked like we evolved from common ancestors with other apes 
would be an engineering feat beyond imagining!
 

 I'm all for using that method to colonise space though. Be cool if there was a 
way of freezing DNA of people and also resurrecting their memories and 
personality when you grow them at their destination, it'd mean we could all 
travel to the stars one day. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Interesting article.  Another possibility that could happen is that 
super-intelligent robots will be sent to Mars to terra-form the planet.  After 
it's done, humans can move in to live in an earthlike environment.
 

 Or, the same super-intelligent robots can be sent to the nearest earth-like 
planets outside our solar system.  They will ride in space rockets that travel 
in conventional speeds.  After thousands of years and upon arrival at their 
destinations, the robots will grow humans on artificial wombs from sperms and 
eggs stored in suspended animation.  The regrown humans will then live and 
repopulate the new earth completely independent from the Old Earth.

 

 Come to think of it, earlier advanced civilizations in the universe may have 
done a similar mode of propagating itself through panspermia.  
 

 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Expert says 're-engineering our children’ will lead to the creation of a 
 new species
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
 I think they are going down a wrong track and are limited by their 
 ignorance. And techniques for longevity have been around for 
 centuries. It's a part of Ayurveda.








[FairfieldLife] Ancient fairytales?

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808


 Interesting research on the common links between different cultures, the tales 
they scare their children with!
 

 Would like to see how the Indian vedas fit in to the human storytelling and 
myth making, but they are probably Greek in origin as most Hindoo stuff like 
temples and statues are post-Alexanda the Great and use techniques developed in 
Egypt. 
 

 

 Fairytales much older than previously thought, say researchers 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/20/fairytales-much-older-than-previously-thought-say-researchers

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/20/fairytales-much-older-than-previously-thought-say-researchers
 
 
 Fairytales much older than previously thought, say rese... 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/20/fairytales-much-older-than-previously-thought-say-researchers
 Study of fairy story origins traces some back thousands of years, with one 
tale dating back as far as bronze age
 
 
 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/20/fairytales-much-older-than-previously-thought-say-researchers
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: IS Armageddon

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 Do you have any idea about how low an opinion we have of the Daily Star over 
here? It's so dumb I'll wager that even Sarah Palin would turn her nose up at 
it...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/488797/ISIS-s-blueprint-for-EU-invasion-and-the-coming-of-Armageddon
 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/488797/ISIS-s-blueprint-for-EU-invasion-and-the-coming-of-Armageddon

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a good idea?

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :

 On 01/19/2016 02:24 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 

  And techniques for longevity have been around for 
 centuries. It's a part of Ayurveda.
 
 
 LOL, it's part of the brochure for ayurveda but I haven't noticed my friends 
living longer or healthier lives.


 
 You've never heard of Kayakalpa?  And your friends probably didn't either.  
Look it up. In a nutshell it's alternating reduction techniques 
(detoxification) and tonification (rejuvenation).  Probably not part of the 
MAPI scheme.
 Yes, I'm sure that when Marshy re-introduced AV he left out one of the best 
bits. 
 

 I used to hear about all sorts of amazing treatments that no one ever seemed 
to be able to get anywhere. I remember one was where you'd be sealed in a cave 
for a few weeks and they'd give you stuff which caused your entire body to be 
replaced on a cellular level, even your teeth! Obviously preposterous but the 
myth was that we westerners couldn't do it anyway because we'd "unstress" too 
much. A typically convenient excuse, I'd love some new teeth




 



[FairfieldLife] Re: It Doesn't Get Any Better Than This

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808


I hope Trump gets elected and chooses Palin as Secretary of State, it'll be 
final proof that we're living in a hologram run by a maniac with a bad sense of 
humour. Pretty much everything points that way these days...
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sarah Palin delivers rambling endorsement of Donald Trump | Toronto Star 
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-backs-donald-trump-ahead-of-iowa-caucus.html

 
 
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-backs-donald-trump-ahead-of-iowa-caucus.html
 
 Sarah Palin delivers rambling endorsement of Donald Tr... 
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-backs-donald-trump-ahead-of-iowa-caucus.html
 The endorsement comes less than two weeks ahead of the critical lead off Iowa 
caucus, where Trump is locked in a dead heat with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.


 
 View on www.thestar.com 
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-backs-donald-trump-ahead-of-iowa-caucus.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 Karma, dude. That's all I can say.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday! David Lynch Turns 70 Today

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808

 My first glance at Lynch's website doesn't fill me with hope that the TMO have 
started playing straight with the facts. He makes a claim for 51% reduction in 
physical problems associated with HIV/AIDS and provides a link to references. 
Follow the link and there are only two papers related to HIV/AIDS, one 
unpublished one by MUM, and another that admits in its own abstract that the 
sample size was too small to justify the claims and further research is needed 
for validation. And in any case, was only related to vitality and not physical 
problems.
 

 I know people who have died of AIDS and I am pissed off that the TMO would 
potentially try and get the hopes up of sick people with the usual dump of 
impressive sounding claims that aren't backed up. So where is the data, did I 
miss something? My best guess from reading that lot is that they are 
extrapolating from their other unconnected "research", but look down the list 
of references and it's all the same old stuff from the collected papers that no 
one ever rated as quality research, sure some of the newer stuff might be 
better but is it relevant? 

 

 Another of the claims for TM as an HIV/AIDS treatment great for anxiety and 
depression, are there any papers on mental health TM and AIDS patients? No. 
There's a few website testimonials but we all know they prove nothing. Besides, 
I know so many long term TMers that get a bit of extra help for personal 
problems that I've lost count, just as well they weren't included in the 
research huh? And then there's the FF Mental Health Alliance, does Lynch know 
about this blatant contradiction of the claims on his website?
 

 I'm curious, can anyone else find a decent bit of research actually showing 
that TM helps people with AIDS in the way they claim on Lynch's site?
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
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[FairfieldLife] New planet!

2016-01-20 Thread salyavin808


 It's been a bumper year for space fans out on the edge of the solar system. 
First we had the astounding photos of Pluto that showed an unexpectedly complex 
and geologically active world with an atmosphere even! And now we have this, a 
potential new planet and a proper big one too. But any residents won't get many 
birthday cards, unless they live for a very long time...
 

 But it's big enough to affect your jyotish charts guys, maybe that's why 
they've been wrong all these years ;-)
 

 

 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/ninth-planet-solar-system-edge-discovery-pluto
 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/ninth-planet-solar-system-edge-discovery-pluto

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a good idea?

2016-01-19 Thread salyavin808

 Human beings could be the result of such extra-terrestrial propagation system.
 

 Only if they did all life on Earth because DNA from all species here is 
completely interrelated, on a cellular level life here is identical apart from 
how genes have radiated from their starting point. Sending us here and faking 
the genome so it looked like we evolved from common ancestors with other apes 
would be an engineering feat beyond imagining!
 

 I'm all for using that method to colonise space though. Be cool if there was a 
way of freezing DNA of people and also resurrecting their memories and 
personality when you grow them at their destination, it'd mean we could all 
travel to the stars one day. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Interesting article.  Another possibility that could happen is that 
super-intelligent robots will be sent to Mars to terra-form the planet.  After 
it's done, humans can move in to live in an earthlike environment.
 

 Or, the same super-intelligent robots can be sent to the nearest earth-like 
planets outside our solar system.  They will ride in space rockets that travel 
in conventional speeds.  After thousands of years and upon arrival at their 
destinations, the robots will grow humans on artificial wombs from sperms and 
eggs stored in suspended animation.  The regrown humans will then live and 
repopulate the new earth completely independent from the Old Earth.

 

 Come to think of it, earlier advanced civilizations in the universe may have 
done a similar mode of propagating itself through panspermia.  
 

 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Expert says 're-engineering our children’ will lead to the creation of a 
 new species
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
 I think they are going down a wrong track and are limited by their 
 ignorance. And techniques for longevity have been around for 
 centuries. It's a part of Ayurveda.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a good idea?

2016-01-19 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Expert says 're-engineering our children’ will lead to the creation of a 
 new species
 

 Only if you re-engineer all of them. Otherwise all you do is add a few more 
genes to the pool that the grand sweep of evolution will select from. They are 
useful, or they aren't. 
 

 But we'll become a new species someday anyway, who knows what traits will be 
useful or not?
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3405312/Could-humanity-s-century-Expert-says-engineering-children-lead-creation-new-species.html
 
 I think they are going down a wrong track and are limited by their 
 ignorance.
 

 That's OK, nature is blind and wouldn't care if we were smart or not. Survival 
is the only judgement for a species, I can't see how anything people do 
genetically to each other will affect the whole race if it stops them 
reproducing. 
 

  And techniques for longevity have been around for 
 centuries. It's a part of Ayurveda.
 

 LOL, it's part of the brochure for ayurveda but I haven't noticed my friends 
living longer or healthier lives.
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: The End of Physics?

2016-01-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Haldane's quote expresses the humility of someone who doesn't think he has all 
the answers!
 

 No, it clearly states that he doesn't think we can know. Nobody has all the 
answers, we wouldn't get out of bed if we did. In fact, science works by 
thinking that you're wrong to start with, lose sight of that and you stop 
looking for disproofs or discrepancies in the data.
 

 Would you waste your time trying to teach your dog calculus? No, because you 
recognise that a dog's mental capacities are limited. Why then assume that 
human capacities are not also limited in some way? You are the one who keeps 
telling us that man is simply a puffed-up animal - a product of evolution.
 

 Simply? I never used that word. Evolution is amazing in how it has provided us 
with a brain capable of understanding things like pulsars and quantum theory. 
Everything I say stands because of that, if we can mathematically create 
multi-dimensional space then what problems are we not going to fathom?
 

 It's a serious question. What are the limits?
 

 From Wiki: William James makes the point that much human mental activity (e.g. 
reading) is forever closed to the mind of a dog, even though we may share the 
same household and have a deep friendship with each other. So, by analogy, the 
human mind may be forever closed to certain aspects of the larger universe.
 

 Nonsense. I notice it took a man to write that and not a dog. The two 
creatures have wildly different ways of using their brains. Ours have the 
ability for abstract thought and an inbuilt metaphor generator that comes up 
with astounding memes to explain - or attempt to - any information we have. 
It's the one thing that separates us from the rest of nature and it'll be 
understandable because - like all things - it evolved from simpler forms, or 
perhaps was used as something else first and then got co-opted as an aid to 
group communication. 
 

 The point is this process is endlessly inventive, if anyone ever comes up with 
some data that no one understands I contend that they soon will.. Testing all 
the ideas is going to be tricky but because of the LHC at CERN we might even 
know soon whether we live in a string theory universe or a multiverse or 
something else to ponder about. How about that! I'm impressed anyway
 

 Or just suppose - as an outlier concept - consciousness really is a cosmic 
godhead that we tap into. Who do you think is going to discover it and explain 
how it works? Clue: it isn't the mystics. They had a go and bodged it, giving 
us instead a hopeful analogy between an old poem and quantum theory but it 
didn't work. If Marshy had told us what the GeV weight of the Higgs boson was 
going to be I would have screamed it from the rooftops, but he didn't. And nor 
did anyone else - I can give you many similar disproofs - we just have to take 
their pronouncements on faith for some reason. Luckily with science we don't 
have to do that.
 

 "Science is a bunch of people arguing about the best way to interpret data" - 
Salyavin
 
 

 Re "what is it that are we not allowed to know":

 

 Saying "allowed" is a sneaky move. Haldane was not postulating a cosmic 
policeman.
 

 Back for More was. Again clearly. 
 

 No one is suggesting any limit on the questions scientists can ask. The 
suggestion is that the answers may not be forthcoming. 
 

 “It is not that we know what would explain consciousness but are having 
trouble finding the evidence to select one explanation over the others; rather, 
we have no idea what an explanation of consciousness would even look like.”- 
Colin McGinn

 

 You read some funny writers! We know where consciousness happens in the brain, 
we know how to affect it with different direct stimuli, we even know how to 
turn it off! Scientific problems don't last long when people are studying them 
and consciousness is the most recent frontier that we have turned the torch 
onto. But it's a process and not a thing which is the first obstacle to get 
over, dead brains won't tell us anything about it.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the article: "We may be entering a new era in physics. An era where there 
are weird features in the universe that we cannot explain."
 

 Compare with this from 1927:
 

 "My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, 
but queerer than we can suppose" - J. B. S. Haldane

 

 I like this quote by Haldane. I think it nails it - the fact that we are, 
mostly, limited in what we can know and accept. The questions we ask must be 
determined, to some extent, by our openness and our willingness to be 
gobsmacked. 
 

 You just defined the spirit of science.
 

 "Science" is a manmade discipline (Sal laughs at 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Take on This

2016-01-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I personally believe the recent Hebdo cartoon went too far in the wrong 
direction. I was appalled by it. Here is what one writer thought:
 

 
http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/charlie-hebdo-s-refugee-cartoon-isn-t-satirical-it-s-inflammatory-1.1654631
 
http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/charlie-hebdo-s-refugee-cartoon-isn-t-satirical-it-s-inflammatory-1.1654631

 

 So we shouldn't be satirical in case someone doesn't get it?
 

 The cartoon is about how easily manipulated popular opinion is, first you have 
the dead child that made everyone throw open their arms to take in refugees, 
then you have an incident that underlines there's a bit of work to do with 
integration - and everyone is on the streets on anti-immigrant demo's!
 

 It's actually rather clever




[FairfieldLife] Re: The End of Physics?

2016-01-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the article: "We may be entering a new era in physics. An era where there 
are weird features in the universe that we cannot explain."
 

 Compare with this from 1927:
 

 "My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, 
but queerer than we can suppose" - J. B. S. Haldane

 

 Kind of a limiting proposition, he should dream bigger dreams. I prefer 
Einstein:
 

 "Perhaps the most inexplicable thing about the universe is that it appears 
entirely explicable"
 

 Even that seems wrong really, I don't see why the universe has to be 
unexplainable. Difficult, yes but impossible? No. Even if it turns out to be a 
teardrop in god's eye we'll still have explained it. An actual inability to 
explain would surely reflect only a lack of data. Getting hold of ultimate 
matter is going to be the tricky bit I suspect.
 

 Einstein was well quotable:
 

 https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9810.Albert_Einstein 
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9810.Albert_Einstein

 

 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Scientists may be able to get hints of the existence of the multiverse, but 
may not be able to prove it.
 

 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-most-dangerous-numbers-universe-194557366.html
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-most-dangerous-numbers-universe-194557366.html
 

 

 

 

 

 

 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Returning To Ananda

2016-01-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the problems I see with Fairfield in general plagues this attempt at a 
TV pilot -- the belief that there is actually an audience willing to watch 
other peoples' narcissism. 

The filmmaker is attractive, and earnest, and I wish her the best, but the idea 
that people would want to tune in for half an hour to watch the self-absorption 
of Fairfielders is...sorry...not quite in the same ballpark as Laura Dern's 
"Enlightened."  

http://skwattacamp.com/films/returning-ananda-0?fb_action_ids=10152466014277589 
http://skwattacamp.com/films/returning-ananda-0?fb_action_ids=10152466014277589 
 

 I think it's interesting that the TM mythos has permeated popular culture 
enough that someone thought there was enough recognition factor for a TV show 
without the audience just going "WTF?". Unless they think that new age groups 
are all the same? Surely not...
 

 Good effort at yogic flying though, but he wouldn't be allowed to have a beard 
at his tender age in the TMO, that's for the over 40's only. Tsk.






[FairfieldLife] Re: The End of Physics?

2016-01-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the article: "We may be entering a new era in physics. An era where there 
are weird features in the universe that we cannot explain."
 

 Compare with this from 1927:
 

 "My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, 
but queerer than we can suppose" - J. B. S. Haldane

 

 I like this quote by Haldane. I think it nails it - the fact that we are, 
mostly, limited in what we can know and accept. The questions we ask must be 
determined, to some extent, by our openness and our willingness to be 
gobsmacked. 
 

 You just defined the spirit of science.
 

 "Science" is a manmade discipline (Sal laughs at this notion) and as such is 
limited by our brains and our tools we engineer in order to measure the world, 
the universe.
 

 And yet here you dismiss it?
 

 If you have no imagination then yes, it is limited. But look at the amazing 
ideas that have come about since Haldanes day simply through looking for 
problems in the explanations we had and trying to come up with solutions. 
Relativity, quantum theory, evolution, huge advances in medicine, cosmology, 
the list is getting longer every year and yet people insist that we have limits!
 

 So what are they? What is it that are we not allowed to know in your opinion, 
what are these limits? I have heard this mantra before and have never had an 
explanation on what it is that people think is lacking in our brains ability to 
create explanations for complex things. It seems to me like a way of avoiding 
thinking about things rather than a considered position on our ability.
  
 We can only see as clearly as our tools allow us and as our brains can 
comprehend.
 

 We build better tools every day. And brains don't really have a problem 
comprehending things, all you need is a way of drawing comparative metaphors 
with what you have discovered so you can explain it to someone else.
 

  Our five senses are not enough to accomplish the mastery of the understanding 
of the Universe - it will come down to something else. 
 

 It's a grand statement but a bit obvious as they have never got us very far 
without the brain they connect to. I would say it'll be our five senses that 
monitor the equipment that provides the data that our brains use to invent 
ideas that really do answer ultimate questions. Howzat?
 

 While science is useful it will never tell the whole story.
 

 You keep putting this limit on it, it's only imagination that limits us. 
Science is merely the discriminatory tool. Dream bigger dreams.
 

  I think people can know bigger truths just through an opening of 
consciousness , perhaps even a shift in consciousness. 
 

 Define "shift in consciousness", it sounds a bit wishy-washy to me. 
Consciousness is simply the evolved way we have to find our way around and 
understand communication. If you want to overturn that you have to show where 
it's in error. That's how science progresses, you see where an explanation is 
inadequate and offer a superior alternative that encompasses everything the 
previous explanation did while simultaneously allowing for the inclusion of the 
new data you have.
 In this case you'd have to show that consciousness has some deeper ability 
that brings actual knowledge about the world rather than "spiritual" 
experiences that can be easily interpreted as something they aren't. I've been 
at the meditation game a long time and haven't seen or come across any 
experience or mythology derived from experience that offers a window into a 
deeper understanding of reality. Claims that the veda's mirror quantum theory 
are bogus.
 

 IMO, "shifts in consciousness" are changes in brain chemistry that alter how 
our brains construct the Cartesian theatre that we frequently mistake for 
external reality. These experiences - gained through drugs or meditation -  
reflect how our brains are wired up and changing that changes our experience, 
it reveals no secrets, except some about ourselves to ourselves. I convert for 
evidence.
 

 Hence, the big truths, the biggest knowledge, may never be provable with 
scientific tools or mathematical formulas. 

 

 But it will surely be explained by them once someone has worked out what 
questions to ask, if they haven't already...
 

 I think your problem with science is a common one, the idea that it's boring 
or technical or stiff or something. It isn't really, it's simply about being 
open minded enough to see that an explanation we have for something is wrong 
and trying to come up with an alternative. And then convincing everyone else.
 

 "Science is how we've learned not to kid ourselves" - Richard Feynman.
 

 

 

 

 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Scientists may be able to get hints of the existence of the multiverse, but 
may not be able to prove it.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Black Holes, in a nutshell

2015-12-21 Thread salyavin808
Black Holes Explained – From Birth to Death 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98 
 
 Black Holes Explained – From Birth to Death 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98 Black holes. Lets talk about them. 
Support us on Patreon so we can make more stuff: 
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 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Holes, in a nutshell

2015-12-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal,
 

 That was an interesting clip.  But it didn't discuss the speculation that 
information is not lost for the entities that enter the event horizon.
 

 It does point out there are two known options for complete and utter 
destruction, to then say there's a way things can survive would contradict that 
completely, it must be a highly original idea! 
 

 

  Dr. Leonard Susskind, from Stanford University, has a video discussing how 
information is stored within the black hole.
 

 I'm not going to go and look, into a black hole I mean...
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Black Holes Explained – From Birth to Death 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98
 
 Black Holes Explained – From Birth to Death 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98 Black holes. Lets talk about them. 
Support us on Patreon so we can make more stuff: 
https://www.patreon.com/Kurzgesagt?...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-19 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But why would intelligent and well decorated scientists not apply any of the 
usual rigour to their work? It's that there are stronger forces at work in 
people than merely needing to check theories, especially to people who have 
been involved in strong cults. Larry Domash raised the point with Marshy that 
we shouldn't talk about the unified field as we don't know anything about it 
yet - this was before the SU5 

[FairfieldLife] Peace on Earth?

2015-12-18 Thread salyavin808


 It's funny, I've always been a critic of the TMO's Maharishi Effect research - 
even when I worked there. Mostly because I don't understand how it might 
possibly work (and they have never explained it in a way that is accessible to 
people who aren't happy with vague, new age terminology) and also because it 
never seems to have any effect beyond normal fluctuations in daily life, or 
even in daily war. 
 

 What I never suspected was that they were being extremely dishonest with the 
way they collect and interpret the data they use to reach their rather 
unconvincing conclusions. And to be honest, if somebody working in head office 
and who practised the TMSP twice daily doesn't believe it then what hope have 
you got of persuading the man on the street? Or the professor in the government 
research lab, working desperately to find ways of lowering the crime rate for 
the least expenditure?
 

 The below letter was posted on "the other side" by MJ but I repost it here 
because we all love talking about science and this is an opportunity to refresh 
our memories some of the ways in which science works, or should work if you are 
doing it properly.
 

 It seems to me that the very definition of what science is has become 
untrustworthy with ME research. Science is a kind of safety net for the natural 
human ability to believe silly things, and that's not our fault, we all have 
ideas non-stop each and every day - science really is basically a filter for 
stopping bad ideas getting through to the general population. It seems obvious 
from this that MUM were playing fast and loose with standard data gathering 
principles, reporting and some rather optimistic interpretations of not much 
data, but there's a bit more that interests me.
 

 From the letter: 
 

 "having examined carefully a number of kibbutzim where up to 10% of the 
population were engaged in daily TM practice, no improvement regarding a series 
of social economic, and health indicators of progress was found, I received 
from you the surprising answer that no positive result from TM practice is to 
be expected with regard to a population smaller than 10,000."

 

 This is what we call a Deux ex Machina, an unexpected invention dropped into a 
story in order for it to continue making sense. Obviously, a continuity of 
results when dealing with a field effect should go without saying and this is a 
major filter for the Maharishi Effect, this is supposedly physics after all. 
It's dubious enough ascribing anthropomorphic resonances to the level of 
particles and fields, but expecting them to discriminate between small groups 
and large is utterly preposterous. Why would they even if they could? This 
single revelation should damn the entire proposal on it's own and it reveals to 
me that manipulation of statistics is the name of the game here, the higher the 
numbers the more you can claim is happening from the smaller actual variations. 
I highlight it because I've never heard a get-out clause like it in the TMO and 
wonder if anyone else has?
 

 In his response, Orme Johnson accuses the author of scaremongering by offering 
the letter for publication in a journal of cult study. Bang on, I would have 
said, but I would like to see the research studied elsewhere. It has been of 
course, and always with the same result, but not by the sort of large highly 
credible college that everyone would defer to, and I don't mean that 
disrespectfully to the smaller university in Iowa (I think) that pulled apart 
the Washington study, they were quite right to ask the questions they did - The 
main problem is a lack of explanation about how it might work, you have to give 
an understandable mechanism if you want people to look further or it's just so 
much statistical waffle, and now we see we can't even rely on that. This is why 
they continue to get away with promoting it, it isn't important enough to draw 
major attention, at best it's an odd footnote in social study. And then some.
 

 At the bottom OJ makes a comparison to Stephen Hawking's work on non-locality 
in subatomic particles and claims the Unified Field might be a candidate for 
explaining that. But Hawking doesn't even believe in unified field theories, he 
teaches that the latest and best fundamental explanation we have is M theory 
which is a huge and bewildering collection of equations created to explain the 
many different fields and forces governing the behaviour of particles, it's a 
long way from Einsteins dream of a simple equation of unification which John 
Hagelin rather dubiously claims to have demonstrated but everyone else 
abandoned in the 80's when the only experiment anyone could think of to 
demonstrate it brought back a resounding "No".
 

 If this Maharishi Effect was a good idea I would expect the continuing 
research and criticism to be stacking up into an impressive body of evidence 
that answers more questions that it raises, instead it seems to get murkier and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them 
as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the 
best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual elements in life, which 
you appear to dismiss because they cannot be measured in any way that science 
accepts.  
 

 Exactly. There are many "instruments" through which to measure and weigh our 
experience, our world, our lives and what happens in those lives. Some of it 
involves known scientific findings about certain things, some involves using 
our knowledge as amassed over our years alive and some it is a combination of 
feeling, intuition and logic. 
 

 There is not enough "science" to answer all the questions I have throughout a 
single day. Why Salyavin is "speechless" at the assertion that science (as we 
know it and practice it) is purely man made is almost beyond me.
 

 Is that what you think I'm speechless about? Actually I'm speechless that 
anyone can know so little about something and still trumpet it like they are 
some sort of master who has both understood and gone beyond the knowledge. You 
don't give me any impression that you know how science works or what it's 
limitations might be. 
 

  He acts as if "science" is some absolute, perfect discipline that has existed 
and continues to exist as some separate entity and we have simply discovered it 
sitting there. 
 

 You are hallucinating really severely here.
 

 Nonsense. Humans created the concept of science, they have made all the 
scientific parameters and the rules for how they go about investigating the 
universe. Certain laws they are discovering seem to be absolute and true but 
the discipline itself is all man made. That is what I think Salyavin perhaps 
misunderstood about my statement. But then, he does consider him the Professor 
Peabody of the group and has little time for the other ignoramuses like myself 
who he doesn't like anyway.
 

 Don't worry, I'll stick around and offer my Ha'pporth on any subject I choose 
regardless of whether I like you or not.
 

  (I think it has something to do with the fact I can't stand that blowhard 
bawee who he finds, personally, fascinating. I just see bawee as some crazy 
scientific experiment gone badly awry, LOL).

 

 You are hallucinating again.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the 
invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything 
to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not acknowledge an 
invisible world, I doubt whether it can be of any help. I am talking about the 
interactions between humans and all the other beings that inhabit this universe 
in realms we do not see. Angels act at a distance all the time. Of course, as a 
fan of science you will think such a statement meaningless or absurd, but I 
encourage you to keep an open mind. The impression I have at the moment is that 
your mind is more closed than most. 
 

 Closed mind eh? Ok, luckily for us I've got a mind open enough to actually try 
and engage with the accusation rather than simply dismissing it.
 

 There's a belief round here that "science" is some sort of dogmatic statement 
about reality that refuses to consider alternative ideas and viewpoints. This 
is wildly in error but I see how you arrived at it, the trouble is you are 
joining the debate about what is and what isn't at a point when people who 
study psychology and parapsychology already have a rather good idea about what 
constitutes a reasonable explanation for things like angels. And it isn't 
invisible worlds. You may continue to believe in them if you wish but with no 
evidence other than "feelings" there's no reason for anybody else to.
 

 I think it's a problem of education that so many people these days are so 
ignorant of how science works. Ignorant isn't an insult BTW, it just means you 
don't know something. In order for me to persuade you there is merit in 
challenging beliefs and trying to work out what something means rather than 
taking it at face value I'd have to go through grade school education about 
physics, biology and chemistry and all the stuff that explains how the stuff of 
the universe actually works and extrapolate from that the likelihoods of their 
being angels and unicorns farting rainbows.
 

 It isn't narrow minded to dismiss something if it contradicts everything else 
you know, and this is exactly what scientists do not do! I didn't just dismiss 
Marshy when he said that consciousness is the unified field, I sat up because 
it isn't part of any mainstream thinking and asked for a further explanation. 
And I didn't get 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808
s sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickmays@...> wrote :

 Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths 
and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the 
middle column.)
 

 http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf 
http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
 



 


 




































[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Hitchmas!

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Barry is having a major hissy fit, and upbraiding salyavin for interacting 
with the people here. 

 Feste has been called out for special treatment for the audacity, yes, 
AUDACITY to relate a personal experience over here.
 

 Sorry to rain on your parade but I'm talking to Feste because he actually has 
an experience to talk about and I like giving another side that I think carries 
more intellectual weight simply by virtue of its ability to explain things in 
terms that can be verified and don't involve the creation of invisible worlds 
and beings when a simpler psychological explanation might cover all parts of 
the experience.
 

 I don't see it as me attacking him - or anyone here in any way. Are you sure 
it isn't you having a hissy fit?
 

 You'd think that he, Feste, just became a major advocate for the right to bear 
and keep arms.
 

 We've even got Bentonia previously known as Curtis chiming in with his 
disapproval of the discussion here, with a mild scold to salyavin.
 

 No, I'm not disrupting the place over there, salyavin appears to be doing it 
quite handily himself, but fortunately for the, (yes, four active members 
there), he is in the process disavowing any participation here.
 

 The tape is being erased as we speak now.
 

 This is surreal hysteria, I think you might actually have actually lost your 
mind.
 

 

 IMF SELF DESTRUCTING TAPE MESSAGE SECRETARY 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQV0hbK6P6c 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQV0hbK6P6c
 
 IMF SELF DESTRUCTING TAPE MESSAGE SECRE... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQV0hbK6P6c This feature is not available right 
now. Please try again later.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQV0hbK6P6c 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Oh Stevie, have you been a naughty boy over at FFL2? Are you disrupting the 
place, creating havoc? Imagine, a nice guy like you upsetting the place like 
that. I'm tempted to take a peek but will continue to deny myself the 
"pleasure". Are there more than four active posters over there?
 

 

 

 
 

 Unless you are on a debate team, I suppose.
 

 Hitch and his mates like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris have the agenda of 
trying to raise the world's awareness to the dangers of blindly following 
religious beliefs, for the sake of elevating backward societies and promoting 
equal rights, to prevent terrorism due to religious fanaticism and simply 
because knowledge is better than superstition if you care about how things 
really are.
 

 It's been a great debate so far with some good arguments on both sides, but 
never good ones about the existence of supernatural beings because grand claims 
require grand evidence to back them up. Maybe one day.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 














 
  






[FairfieldLife] Re: for Sal

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Go hug a tree, mate, it will make you feel better -- it's been SCIENTIFICALLY 
VALIDATED!!
 

 Oh, I feel fine anyway thanks. 
 

 There's some interesting stuff there but sadly mixed up with a lot of new age 
whimsy. This is fairly common these days, everyone wants to be scientifically 
validated because they know it's the only way to be taken seriously. What we 
have to do is watch out for quantum flim-flammery whereby people smuggle in 
their own unrealistic ideas in on the backs of good research. A fine example we 
all know about that is everything John Hagelin has ever said. 
 

 

 Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ 
 
 http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 
 Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ It has 
been recently scientifically validated that hugging trees is good for you. 
Research has shown that you don’t even have to touch a tree to get better — 
jus...


 
 View on theunboundedspirit.com 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 





[FairfieldLife] Re: for Sal

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal just got owned.
 

 Really? Do you remember my regular paeans to the joys of meditating in nature? 
Under an oak tree is the best place as they are so old and have seen the human 
world come and go so one gets perspective as well as shade. But there aren't so 
many round here, I often have to make do with beech and even though they aren't 
from these shores even they have a reassuring wisdom and lofty unreachableness 
that makes us humans feel small.
 

 Not sure about the diagram below though, bit elaborate and relying on unknown 
forces. Insects do the same "flocking around you" thing though. Maybe someone 
got confused?
 
 

 


 



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wonderful.   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Go hug a tree, mate, it will make you feel better -- it's been SCIENTIFICALLY 
VALIDATED!!

Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ 
 
 http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 
 Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ It has 
been recently scientifically validated that hugging trees is good for you. 
Research has shown that you don’t even have to touch a tree to get better — 
jus...


 
 View on theunboundedspirit.com 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 









[FairfieldLife] Re: for Sal

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal just got owned.
 

 I see what you mean now, I was reading the posts from the top down.
 

 But no, not really. Nice idea though it is.
 
 

 


 



 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wonderful.   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Go hug a tree, mate, it will make you feel better -- it's been SCIENTIFICALLY 
VALIDATED!!

Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ 
 
 http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 
 Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ It has 
been recently scientifically validated that hugging trees is good for you. 
Research has shown that you don’t even have to touch a tree to get better — 
jus...


 
 View on theunboundedspirit.com 
http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808
But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Hitchmas!

2015-12-16 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Isn't the idea to seek out argument to come to a better understanding about 
things, and not simply for the sake of argument? 
 

 Does this mean you won't be trolling FFL-2 like a petulant teenager every day? 
That'll be nice for them.
 

 Unless you are on a debate team, I suppose.
 

 Hitch and his mates like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris have the agenda of 
trying to raise the world's awareness to the dangers of blindly following 
religious beliefs, for the sake of elevating backward societies and promoting 
equal rights, to prevent terrorism due to religious fanaticism and simply 
because knowledge is better than superstition if you care about how things 
really are.
 

 It's been a great debate so far with some good arguments on both sides, but 
never good ones about the existence of supernatural beings because grand claims 
require grand evidence to back them up. Maybe one day.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 








[FairfieldLife] Merry Hitchmas!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808
nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are 
claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts.
 

 If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting 
(I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and 
effects what others think and do. That is "the environment".
 

  We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach 
some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in 
the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them 
because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be 
measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 medit

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2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808
‘Animated Life: Mary Leakey’ 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/opinion/animated-life-mary-leakey.html?emc=edit_th_20151209=todaysheadlines=9890152

 
 
 
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 This short documentary remembers the paleoanthropologist Mary Leakey, who 
discovered footprints of human ancestors on the African savanna.
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

  It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. and Why? The guy is a scientist and 
makes administrative decisions based on observation, gathering data, testing, 
and experience. Metrics and merit now matter more in the running of the new TM 
order than just some old rigid belief in ideology. This is refreshing and comes 
of necessity. This large order world-wide advertising heralds a new new 
[post-vedic-f-ing?] time for TM. -JGU
 

 Yes, I know that's the reason. The point I'm making is: Why bother when it's 
all you've got to offer?
 

 When I worked for the movement back in the day, we had someone design an NLP 
election booklet for us that did this very thing, made us all look corporate 
and acceptable to any potential voters. I thought it was good as it didn't look 
like an Indian restaurant menu like everything else the TMO produced, but my 
boss (now our Raja) didn't like it. He said. "But it isn't us, and given that 
no one ever reads our stuff anyway why don't we just be ourselves?" He was 
overruled and the booklet went into print.
 

 Then he was given a crown and now they hide those as well!
 

 My answer to the question I was asking is that TM is being re-branded to avoid 
embarrassing David Lynch. He's the prime mover at the moment and the last thing 
he's going to want is the career death of being associated with yogic flying.
 

 I do disagree with your last sentence though. There will never be a post-yogic 
flying TMO because it's all there is and if you enjoy it good luck to you. I'm 
entirely unconvinced about the scientific evidence for the Marshy Effect 
though, but if they want to continue to try and prove it I'm all ears, but they 
haven't done it yet and it's disingenuous of then to claim they have. It's odd 
they never really try and prove it as it's the only thing that sets them apart 
from any other type of meditation (And I should know, I've followed a few) and 
it would transform our understanding of nature. If I believed it and worked at 
MUM it's the only thing I'd focus on.
 

 I do wish for a post-yagya TMO though as it's an inexcusable con without any 
basis in science or even any demonstrable results. But where else is the money 
going to come from?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Why? Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying.. Reality check. An adaption based on observation of human behavior. 
Evidently Yogic flying as advanced practice seems too fantastic and complex to 
frankly lead with. But the science research on meditation and people's 
experience with meditation are tight and they carry their own weight separately 
as a practical reality. 
 

 The meditation part of TM is well taught, people generally like it, the 
science is substantial, so evidently he is going now with 'TM' in the larger 
marketplace of ideas and less so with what was but one 'advanced practice' of 
Yogic-F'ing. There seems an evident re-alignment to what works well, the 
meditation. Not that yogic flying won't be somewhere in the bowels of TM. But 
evidently the lead is different with this, like putting a better foot forward. 
It is very mammalian, The movement is yet alive and moves, of necessity.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 

 7thRay writes
   
 Good nuance.  Good comparison.
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? 
Yep, that's a fine comparison.
 

 I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment.
 

 No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? 
Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains 
easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp 
to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would 
be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808
tside it would be easy to measure them 
because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be 
measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 If there is no basis to something, why bother getting outside the box? As soon 
as you do that you get into religious beliefs, and defending those isn't what 
science is all about. But you can believe any rubbish you like, it only natters 
when someone tries to sell it as justifying something else. Deliberately 
spreading ignorance is wrong AFAIC
 

 Salyavin, why should one ignore one's own experience, even if it is  so called 
"mystical experience".  I'm not declaring it to be anything other than a 
subjective experience, but neither am I going to discount it.  I don't care 
whether or not science can validate this so called "mystical experience".
 

 This paragraph is completely unconnected with the bit you snipped from my 
post. Did you cut and paste the wrong thing?
 

 But to answer the point: I would never have said "ignore your own experience" 
but I often say "question the explanations you are given".
 

 And science is the best way of working out whether your subjective experience 
"means" something in the wider context of physics and social functioning 
because it sets up experiments that can fail if the thing being tested has no 
actual validity. You may still have a good experience meditating even if it it 
can't defeat the controls of a proper experiment and it turns out you aren't 
creating world peace.
 

 And again, why this seeming prejudice to thinking "outside the box" This seems 
rather limited to me.  My wife worked at IBM for thirteen years, and they 
employed PhD's whose sole job was to do nothing, but think "outside the box"
 

 Read it again. I said If there is no basis to something, in this case the idea 
that brainwaves travel outside of the brain can affect crime rates, then 
there's no point coming up with ideas as to why it might happen. You need a 
signal to make it worth postulating a cause for it. No signal = don't waste 
your time.
 

 


 

























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-15 Thread salyavin808
 As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Good nuance.  Good comparison.
 

 A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? 
Yep, that's a fine comparison.
 

 I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment.
 

 No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? 
Not even the TMO is claiming that.
 

 Of course they are. 
 

 No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of 
nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are 
claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts.
 

 If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting 
(I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and 
effects what others think and do. That is "the environment".
 

  We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach 
some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in 
the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them 
because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be 
measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 
 If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or 
some of these things, who cares and why? 
 

 I do. If someone rang your grandmother and told her they could make her rich 
by giving them all her life savings and investing it in junk bonds and then 
spending her money on foreign holidays and sports cars, would you be angry? Of 
course. Would you be counting on some consumer law to protect her? If not, why 
not?
 

 If someone sold you a car that broke down the next day you'd expect some sort 
of legal protection right?
 

 Suppose you knew someone who was mentally disabled and some stupid religious 
group told him their prayers would be the best money they ever spent and took 
£40,000 off them. And obviously gave nothing in return because prayers don't 
work?
 

 Wouldn't you be angry and want to see them brought down a peg or two?
 

 Suppose you were part of an internet chat group and every time you pointed out 
people were getting conned by bullshit other people reverted to cult type and 
attacked you with insults and very weak arguments about how it was people's 
right to get conned if they want to?

You'd probably be a staggered as me I suspect.
 

 My next door neighbour is a Christian and spends a lot of his time praying. 
His prayers are undoubtably as effective as the TMO's yagyas (ie: not at all) 
But here's the thing, his don't cost a fortune. His aren't shrouded with lies 
and highly dubious scientific claims in order to make the victim, sorry 
recipient, think they are getting sort sort of historically validated 
technology to alter the laws of nature.
 

 From day one in the TMO they are training you to believe this crap and they 
are counting on your scientific illiteracy to do the work for them. It is a con 
and I am happy to point it out whenever they try it just as I would be if 
someone tried to sell me a crappy car or rob my grandmother.
 

 With a lot of people in the TMO I consider this a folie a deux - a shared 
delusion - but not with John Hagelin or Tony Nader, they know what they are 
doing and they are trying to raise money out of other people's ignorance and I 
am fascinated to watch people who have been through the brainwashing defend 
them by attacking me.
 

 What do people find rewarding about being conned out of their life savings 
anyway? Nothing I suspect. You can buy a yagya for anything, a death, a birth, 
a wedding, getting a new job, looking for a new car, I know someone who paid 
for a yagya for her dying cat! And they took her money!

 

 I'd love to know how much money the TMO makes out of it all. Untold millions 
every year and it's all rubbish. Amazing really, I'm almost honoured to be 
witnessing such a brilliant scam.
 

 I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions 
of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in 
fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are 
spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain 
unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on 
this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest 
skin care products.
 

 You have more chance of getting something with your lottery ticket than you do 
buying yagya's.
 

 But why do you think it's OK for religious groups to lie because you like 
cosmetics? I don't get your argument there, it isn't the same thing is it?. Put 
on make-up and look in the mirror and you like the results. Pay £5,000 for a 
health yagya and it doesn't work and then fall back on your brainwashing and 
come up with an excuse, planets emitting waves at you or karma being too strong 
maybe. Best get another yagya to counteract the negativity that stopped the 
first one working.
 

 
 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other 
people spend their money. 

 It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money.
 

 I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I 
disapprove of you spending your money this way"
 

 I might be inclined to tell them to take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut.  
I surely might.  (-:
 

 It's easier than thinking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
 

 snip
 
  If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or 
some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic 
industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in 
order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much 
snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff 
that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a 
waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to 
win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products.

 
 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 















 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-13 Thread salyavin808

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths 
and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the 
middle column.)
 

 http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf 
http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Good nuance.  Good comparison.
 

 A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? 
Yep, that's a fine comparison.
 

 I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment.
 

 No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? 
Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains 
easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp 
to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would 
be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickmays@...> wrote :

 Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths 
and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the 
middle column.)
 

 http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf 
http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
 



 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

2015-12-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such 
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to 
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim 
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.

 
 

Oh, I'd endorse it if I believed it, no problem. Trouble is, I can't see it 
working or how it could be working if I could see it!
 

 It's a nice idea that people can influence each other towards peaceful 
cooperation without them even being aware of it though. One of the best.
 

 I used to think there's no harm in trying, but there's been a lot of financial 
harm over the years. Marshy's last big idea was a wealth fund to keep a bunch 
of pundits chanting non-stop to create world peace. An awful lot of people gave 
up an awful lot of money for that, a fool and his money are soon parted you 
might say but surely we have to raise the alarm if they keep trying the same 
scam every time the world goes banana shaped...
 
 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: 
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
 
 
   

 Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic 
flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll 
instantly find this:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ

 

 And that will be that. 
 

 Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it 
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! 
 

 So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a 
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime 
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the 
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't 
impressed.
 

 And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that 
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there 
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't 
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you 
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
 

 If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't 
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington 
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would 
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how 
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that 
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
 

 Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even 
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it 
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on 
promises and light on explanation?
 

 Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all 
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we 
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems 
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will 
magically save the world.
 

 I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it 
explained how it might work.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickmays@...> wrote :

 Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths 
and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the 
middle column.)
 

 http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf 
http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
 



 


 











[FairfieldLife] Maharishi ashram opened to the public...

2015-12-09 Thread salyavin808


 I know some people who have been inside recently. Not sure who owned it at the 
time but the signposts from town were all of the "Beatles ashram this way..." 
variety. Maybe they've cut back the undergrowth a bit to justify the entrance 
fee.
 

 Would make a nice detour if you were in the area.

 

 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate is opened to the public 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 
 
 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate ... 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 All four members spent time during the 1960s at ashram in the town of 
Rishikesh run by a self-styled guru and his followers
 
 
 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi ashram opened to the public...

2015-12-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 I know some people who have been inside recently. Not sure who owned it at the 
time but the signposts from town were all of the "Beatles ashram this way..." 
variety. Maybe they've cut back the undergrowth a bit to justify the entrance 
fee.
 

 Would make a nice detour if you were in the area.

 

 

 MJ would love the comments at the bottom of this article. It seems most/many 
people in the world are on the same page when it comes to their opinion about 
MMY. Here are some pictures of the state of the place after being left to go to 
wrack and ruin:
 

 

 Nice place for a photographer to visit.
 

 I like the little hairy meditation huts - if that's what they are
 

 

 

 

 

 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate is opened to the public 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 
 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate ... 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 All four members spent time during the 1960s at ashram in the town of 
Rishikesh run by a self-styled guru and his followers


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi ashram opened to the public...

2015-12-09 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 The bee hives!
 

 Is that what they are? Seems like rather a lot of them. 
 

 I pictured a candle-lit monk in each one, living a solitary life of meditation 
and devotion. Until Mia Farrow turned up. That might have got distracting...
 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:31 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi ashram opened to the public...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 

 I know some people who have been inside recently. Not sure who owned it at the 
time but the signposts from town were all of the "Beatles ashram this way..." 
variety. Maybe they've cut back the undergrowth a bit to justify the entrance 
fee.
 

 Would make a nice detour if you were in the area.

 

 

 MJ would love the comments at the bottom of this article. It seems most/many 
people in the world are on the same page when it comes to their opinion about 
MMY. Here are some pictures of the state of the place after being left to go to 
wrack and ruin:
 

 

 Nice place for a photographer to visit.
 

 I like the little hairy meditation huts - if that's what they are
 

 

 

 

 

 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate is opened to the public 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 
 Indian retreat where the Beatles learned to meditate ... 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 All four members spent time during the 1960s at ashram in the town of 
Rishikesh run by a self-styled guru and his followers


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/09/indian-retreat-where-the-beatles-learned-to-meditate-is-opened-to-the-public
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 






 


 











[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody relax

2015-12-04 Thread salyavin808

 Everybody relax? What a stupid post title, nobody round here cares whether 
Buck is deleting posts. 
 

 Still, maybe people will be happy you created something for a change, even if 
it is a piece inconsequential shit stirring and self-serving drivel.
 

 I suppose you'll go back to your tedious nagging now instead of trying to find 
something positive to talk about in your declining years.
 

 But why don't you try it? Create something rather than just be a tedious drain 
on the place. Go on. Dare you.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin was wrong about Doug deleting posts. Salyavin has now deleted his own 
post, but it was up long enough for some folks to see it, and of course it went 
to everyone who gets the posts by email, so I thought it would be a good idea 
to point out that it was in error.
 

 As you might imagine, that mistake stirred up quite a hullaballoo over on FFL2 
before it was corrected--including a thread titled "Buck Pulls a Chairman Mao."
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

2015-12-04 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FWIW
 
 "The article cites an Australian study from last year which found that 
vegetarians reported that they were less optimistic about their future more 
often than people who kept meat in their diets. That same study found that 
vegetarians were 18 percent more likely to report having depression and 28 
percent more likely to experience panic attacks and anxiety."
 

 Maybe they're too upset about how animals are treated and worried that it 
might get worse?
 

 But it is interesting. I know many who followed the marshy ayurved 
recommendations and ended up having to have B12 injections after years of ill 
health. 
 

 And poor mental health is an open secret in the TMO though there are probably 
loads of reasons for this, stressed and neurotic people believing the promise 
of a cure, people getting wound up by the technique and believing they are 
"unstressing"? People believing Marshy that psychiatry is ineffective at best 
and getting hung up on rounding must be a better cure and getting worse. Maybe 
the worst thing is the belief people develop that they must be alright because 
they are on  highest path. I've heard some highly deranged people say that. 
Cult's are a gold mine for future research.
 

 Or maybe it's time for a south facing burger bar in FF?
 

 

 

 
 
 
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/research-points-to-mental-health-risks-associated-with-meatless-diet/
 
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/research-points-to-mental-health-risks-associated-with-meatless-diet/
 




[FairfieldLife] Hey Buck!

2015-12-03 Thread salyavin808
It has come to our attention that you are going through the FFL archives 
deleting stuff. Can you explain what your reason is for doing this? 
 

 I mean, we all knew you would as it's fits your general demeanor as someone 
who doesn't like considering alternative viewpoints all that much, but I hope 
it stops here and now because there are some real gems in there. The trouble is 
you wouldn't know that, so could you do any future, actually curious, members 
you get a favour and leave the thing alone?
 

 Just because you don't like it or it contains arguments that you couldn't 
counter or accusations that stung about your partisan approach to the list 
doesn't mean that it has no intrinsic value. And trust me, it doesn't make you 
look better.
 

 I wonder what the other residents of FFL feel about it? Nothing I suppose, 
they didn't care much when you took over and dumped the most interesting 
posters. Everyone gets the forum they deserve I guess.
 

 A healthy mind challenges its own assumptions.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Life's too short?

2015-12-02 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world’s first anti-aging drug will be tested on humans next year in trials 
which could see diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s consigned to distant 
memory.

 Scientists now believe that it is possible to actually stop people growing old 
as quickly and help them live in good health well into their 110s and 120s.

 
 
 Although it might seem like science fiction, researchers have already proven 
that the diabetes drug metformin extends the life of animals, and the Food and 
Drug Administration in the US has now given the go ahead for a trial to see if 
the same effects can be replicated in humans.
 

 "Most people spend a life they don't know what to do with, wishing they had 
another one that lasted forever"  said erm, someone... 
 The trouble with these extended lives is they don't have a way to increase 
energy or reverse muscle wastage, without that what's the point if you're just 
going to spend longer in an old folks home? Sounds awful to me.

 Another problem is cost, who pays the extra pensions? They are bankrupting us 
as it is - unless Osborne is planning to raise the pension age to 85. Wouldn't 
put it past him...
 But all the extra people having to work later will coincide with the next wave 
of job automation that AI will bring, the white-collar workforce is going to 
get shafted like the blue-collars did.
 And there's too many people anyway. let's face it. I say we spend our research 
money on quality of life and not quantity, and maybe educate people to accept 
the inevitable...
 

 World's first anti-ageing drug could see humans live to 120 
http://tinyurl.com/n9tqz7l
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/n9tqz7l
 
 World's first anti-ageing drug could see humans live... 
http://tinyurl.com/n9tqz7l Scientists believe the common diabetes drug 
metformin could hold the secret of long life and want to start a groundbreaking 
human trial in 2016


 
 View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/n9tqz7l
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 





[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

2015-11-30 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They would like 108 Sidhas/yogic flyers as a critical mass for the EU summit 
meditation in Brussels but on previous EU group meditation programs they were 
only able to rally 72 Sidha yogic flyers 
 

 Only 72? Is that all! They must be getting old or lazy. It wouldn't have 
happened in my day. I'd have been first in line too. 
 

 If I believed that it worked I'd be there now.
 

 

 The Maharishi Invincibility Centre in Brussels is very strategically located 
only a few hundred meters from the conference hall of the EU Leaders. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tacking upwind, notice that Raja Hagelin did not use the words “Yogic Flying” 
and ‘Yogic Flyers’ in his latest written appeal to the meditating community and 
the world at large to come together.  Look at the text of his statements.  
‘Yogic Flying‘ evidently is out as the public lead promotion. 

 Overtly that is good strategy at this point. 
  
 I ask [survey] meditators and our old governors and those who were on the IA 
course and most say they are ‘done’ with YF’ing.  Folks meditate at home and 
are not just going to turn out for YF’ing.  Yet they are meditators and 
meditate.  It is time to go forward with our strength, which is go back to 
being a ‘meditating’ movement primarily.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om, ..Notice that Dr. Raja John Hagelin in two memos released yesterday to the 
meditating community and the world at large does not lead with or even mention 
Yf’ing.  Such public enthusiasm for Y-f’ing is out of sync with the thinking 
now.  The so-called advanced techniques evidently are not credible either with 
the public or necessarily even with old meditators and are out of promotional 
favor now.  
 

 The call now is for meditators.  For meditators to come together to meditate.  
Make way for the meditator again!
 

 This Y-f’ing group promoting should fade away and focus on having that vast 
pool of meditators that is out there from the glorious past of our before, 
along with new meditators, come together again.  The science shows it is time 
for meditators everywhere to mobilize and come together.
 

 Promoting a circus of  Y-f’ing now is needlessly distracting from what can be 
accomplished otherwise.  -JaiGuruYou
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 FWIW:
 

 http://yogicflying.eu/ http://yogicflying.eu/

 







  




[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you the right stuff?

2015-11-30 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As part of an exchange on the renegade FFL-2 I included the following query 
which I'd like to throw out on this site also.
 

 In my early days of TM practice I had a habit of meditating for far, far 
longer than the regulation 20 minutes twice a day (if it's good for you then 
the longer the better, I thought) and it left me feeling shaky and highly 
over-sensitive to sensory input. 
 

 “For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror
  which we are barely able to endure, and it amazes us so,
  because it serenely disdains to destroy us.
 Every angel is terrible.” ― (Rainer Maria Rilke, Duino Elegies)

 

 God knows how Prudence-types can cope with extended periods of meditation. 
Hey, maybe I'm naturally "spiritual"?!

 

 
 So my question is "What's the longest TM meditation session you personally 
ever had?"
 

 TM teachers had to endure hours of practice I understand. The duration you 
give can include the usual rounding procedures of asanas and pranayama.
 

 

 I did 9 hours TMSP a day, every day, for a year on a WPA in Croatia. It was 
done in 4 extended rounds of the usual TM-sidhi prog. I missed one round in the 
whole year. 
 

 I did a great many long courses with varying lengths of prog. I guess it's why 
I'm so enlightened ;-)

 

Nothing would persuade me to do it again.
 
 Apparently on the current "invincibility" course in Skem they have a flying 
session of an hour in which time you are encouraged to do whatever you like, 
most people go and have breakfast. Indiscipline like that would have annoyed me 
greatly back in the day, as did people sleeping through the whole thing. Get on 
the programme! Is what I used to say LOL.
 

 

 

 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

2015-11-28 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal, re your "I convert for evidence": 

 As you are reading this post you are conscious of the screen in front of you, 
the sensation of your chair beneath you and the ambient noise. 
 

 Glance across at another person sharing the room with you. Do you believe that 
they too are conscious of their surroundings. Yes, indeed, you do.
 

 But can you prove that they are aware? No you can't. But accepting that other 
humans are self-aware individuals is hardly a trivial fact. It structures your 
entire life. Yet it is not susceptible to scientific proof. Other people look 
and act like you so you assume they share your self-awareness. Sounds 
reasonable - but what scientific experiment can prove it?
 

 I'm conscious because of what's going on neurophysiologically in my brain. 
Given that everyone else - indeed all other vertebrates to varying degrees - 
has the same internal apparatus I don't need to prove that everyone else is 
conscious, not only because the onus for extraordinary claims is on the one 
making them but because it would have too profound a meaning for my - and 
therefore my alone - view of the world if they weren't. 
 

 The fact is, somebody wrote the post I am responding to. Luckily I understood 
it, because if you aren't conscious then you must be a zombie and a damn clever 
one because you've been paying attention enough to have your own opinions and 
have attempted to come up with a meme that supplants my assumptions, which is 
clearly highly conscious behaviour. If I thought there was any chance you were 
a zombie I'd disregard your posts entirely.
 

 So you'll never be able prove to my satisfaction that you aren't conscious. In 
fact, the harder you try the less convinced I'll be! Maybe if you regularly 
appear on the Jeremy Kyle show
 

 

 Down the ages many people have claimed that the idea of a Transcendental Self 
(which we all participate in) has philosophical reasoning and personal, 
subjective experience to back it up and they have structured their lives around 
that belief. It can't be demonstrated scientifically, but so what?
 

 The evidence I would require to believe it must be attainable if this 
phenomena exists. To start we'd need to prove that the brain on its own is 
incapable of accounting for our conscious experience. Perhaps we'd also need a 
science of mind that cannot account for visionary experience, but if we have 
the capability of being amazed at ,say, new scenery or a profound idea then how 
can we prove that awe at transcendental experiences isn't a similar hormonal 
reaction to a shift in how we normally perceive things? 
 

 Somehow we see a stereo image of reality with surround sound. This takes a bit 
of doing, it's also an illusion because there's no central processing unit in 
our heads where every sense joins up and a thing called "us" sits there and 
observes and decides what to do. We kid ourselves majorly about how our 
conscious experience works and about how much control we actually have over 
what responses we make to what is in front of us. Clearly, it's a highly 
sophisticated balance of functions involving a lot of different areas of the 
brain from basic reptilian stimulus/responses that all creatures have, to 
higher thoughts and ideas about the self which are exclusive to us (well, to me 
if you lot are zombies) it surprises me not one jot that it sometimes goes a 
bit haywire when we sit with our eyes closed and say funny words to ourselves 
over and over again. After all, it didn't evolve to do that or to be mindful.
 

 My idea is that when we meditate we separate the different parts of our brain 
that join up to contribute to our overall experience and we concentrate on,say, 
the bit that gives us the illusion of space when we aren't meditating. 
Extrapolate from that and we might get an explanatory science of mind that 
includes all experienced phenomena from day-to-day tedium to our subjectively 
awesome spiritual experiences.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No wonder you need to claim an Emerson quote. Damn yanks were always confused 
but it must make perfect sense across the pond in the local parish.

 

 The quote was from Walt Whitman. But Emerson could have supplied a choice 
sentence. As could Thoreau or William James or Emily Dickinson. All Yanks and 
making perfect sense. 

 
If "we is all one" then why isn't there confusion of memories and identities 
between all these "apparent" individuals? 
 

 That's the million-dollar question.
 

 Sometimes the wires do get crossed and there is just such a confusion - as 
when individuals claim to suddenly experience a previous life - as Barry has so 
claimed on FFL. Why should it be a previous life of Barry's and not the life 
experience of another man entirely as seen by The One, the transcendental 

[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

2015-11-28 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's a fabulous benefit. I mean the parking space thing. I have noticed this 
for many years, although I do not attribute it to the sidhis. I think I am just 
naturally a superior being.
 

 

 I often just find a space in front of the shops and attribute it to nothing 
other than the fact people come and go just like I do.
 

 But imagine if the reesh was right about "nature support" though? What 
fabulous people we TMers would be! Able to engineer reality at fundamental 
levels just to ensure we get what we want. Don't laugh, this is what he meant. 
What insidious deluded nonsense! But what superb understanding of how to sell a 
message. Get the first idea accepted and then peddle a load of accessory ideas 
that depend on it at ever increasing cost. 
 

 Even now, years after his death, people still filter reality according to 
whether it fits the Marshy's teaching. They pay millions for useless prayers, 
trudge to the dome to create world peace and cower from the moon's shadow. All 
as instructed and all without ever seeing a positive result.
 

 "There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis"
 

 I am in awe of Maharishi. Seriously.
 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, prior to that time, I had already taken the TM-Sidhis course when living 
and working in a UK TM Academy. This meeting was an invite to a certain 
commercial enterprise for the general public to which the mention of meditation 
was part of the sales talk, but it would not be ethical to provide actual 
details except to say that a timely vacant parking space in a crowded town was 
considered a benefit of being a Sidha.

 

 

difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only 
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just 
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will 
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.  

 There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis, 
and though I cannot say for those who sleep in the Domes during their programs, 
it does lead to an entirely different style of functioning, with simply more 
available than before. It could be called a 'superior' way of functioning, 
should a personal comparison be made of capabilities available before, and 
after, learning the techniques.
 

 Did you end up taking the TM-Siddhis course?






[FairfieldLife] Life in Tibet..

2015-11-23 Thread salyavin808


 Fascinating article about life on the roof of the world:
 

 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous Landscape 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/

 
 
 https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/ 
 
 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous ... 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/ Forgotten 
Land, Defiant People – Tibet Ancient Tibet was comprised of three provinces, 
U-Tsang, Amdo and Kham. The present day Tibetan Autonomous ...
 
 
 
 View on luminous-landscape.com 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Life in Tibet..

2015-11-23 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 If I were younger, I would love to see Tibet and Bhutan.

 

 It must be an awesome place to visit. Not sure how I'd cope with the altitude 
though, or refrain from punching Chinese soldiers!
 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 7:08 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Life in Tibet..
 
 
   
 

 Fascinating article about life on the roof of the world:
 

 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous Landscape 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/

 
 
 https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/
 
 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous ... 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/ Forgotten 
Land, Defiant People – Tibet Ancient Tibet was comprised of three provinces, 
U-Tsang, Amdo and Kham. The present day Tibetan Autonomous ...


 
 View on luminous-landscape.com 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Tibet..

2015-11-23 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 M wasn't very fond of any other meditation opther than TM. However, I did hear 
him say that he liked one Buddhist technique called *walking meditation*. I'm 
not sure of the technique but it involved the attention shifting from one foot 
to the next as one walked. He said that it developed witnessing.

 

 I'm sure that if he'd tried some other techniques he might have had a bit more 
respect for what they can achieve. The trouble is that he had something to sell 
and you don't sell much if you encourage people to look elsewhere at the same 
time!
 

 He was also unfair (or just ignorant) when he spoke about other techniques, 
doing them down all the time. There are plenty of ways to get there. Or here as 
the case may be
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:00 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Tibet..
 
 
   

 

 A Buddhist Rinpoche is talking tonight on campus.  
 8pm at Argiro Student Center
 

 From way back in that first Scientific American paper published about the 
physiological effect of meditating, it has long been a cultural position in TM 
that buddhist meditation is no good.  Could even be harmful.  The presentation 
of the argument starts in the introductory lectures to TM.   
 

 But, the scientific and secular aspect of transcending meditation as it is 
presented by some could very well appeal to the more official modern mind in 
mainland China as opposed to religious Buddhist meditations. 
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Fascinating article about life on the roof of the world:
 

 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous Landscape 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/

 
 
 https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/
 
 Forgotten Land, Defiant People - Tibet - Luminous ... 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/ Forgotten 
Land, Defiant People – Tibet Ancient Tibet was comprised of three provinces, 
U-Tsang, Amdo and Kham. The present day Tibetan Autonomous ...


 
 View on luminous-landscape.com 
https://luminous-landscape.com/forgotten-land-defiant-people-tibet/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 





 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What should Yahoo git rid of?

2015-11-23 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :

 On 11/22/2015 11:26 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 The struggling Internet giant is trying to decide which of its services 
 it should keep or dump. Yahoo Real Estate, or maybe even Yahoo News, 
 could be on the chopping block, analysts say.
 
 http://www.cnet.com/news/what-should-yahoo-get-rid-of/ 
http://www.cnet.com/news/what-should-yahoo-get-rid-of/
 
 Well, let's see Yahoo News can get my location correct when it comes to 
 weather but not the local news. Where do they get their programmers anyway?
 

 I'm surprised they bother with the yahoo groups. Are they used much? Apart 
from us obviously...


 
 Taking groups away would lead to bad PR as if Yahoo doesn't have enough of 
that already.
 
 


 And I wouldn't have anything to do during the adverts on TV! When did Yahoo 
buy Flickr, or did they always own it? I've only just noticed as I just tried 
to upload some photo's to a friends group.



[FairfieldLife] Re: What should Yahoo git rid of?

2015-11-22 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The struggling Internet giant is trying to decide which of its services 
 it should keep or dump. Yahoo Real Estate, or maybe even Yahoo News, 
 could be on the chopping block, analysts say.
 
 http://www.cnet.com/news/what-should-yahoo-get-rid-of/ 
http://www.cnet.com/news/what-should-yahoo-get-rid-of/
 
 Well, let's see Yahoo News can get my location correct when it comes to 
 weather but not the local news. Where do they get their programmers anyway?
 

 I'm surprised they bother with the yahoo groups. Are they used much? Apart 
from us obviously...



[FairfieldLife] From the ISIS handbook...

2015-11-16 Thread salyavin808
Interesting article about the aims and methods of the global jihadi movement.
 

 Mindless terrorists? The truth about Isis is much worse | Scott Atran 
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis

 
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis 
 
 Mindless terrorists? The truth about Isis is much worse ... 
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis They deal 
in chaos, but they work from a script. The failure to understand that is 
costing us dear
 
 
 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Preventing Paris Style Terrorist Attacks

2015-11-15 Thread salyavin808

 
It's hard to believe they still push this crap after all these years. Who's 
benefit is it for? TM members, who want to see their beliefs in print? Or are 
you actually expecting the average Joe to stumble across it and go "Wow there's 
a technology to reduce stress in other people at a distance, why haven't I 
heard of this before!"
 

 And the whole thing is based on the dubious idea that "stress" is responsible 
for people adopting hard-line Islamic beliefs and practices. I'd like to see 
the workings out for that one...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Agenda: Facts & Objectivity Unlimited - PREVENTING PARIS TYPE TERRORIST 
ATTACKS BY REDUCING STRESS 
http://www.agendang.com/index.php/columns/opinions/item/1529-preventing-paris-type-terrorist-attacks-by-reducing-stress
 
 
 
http://www.agendang.com/index.php/columns/opinions/item/1529-preventing-paris-type-terrorist-attacks-by-reducing-stress
 
 The Agenda: Facts & Objectivity Unlimited - PR... 
http://www.agendang.com/index.php/columns/opinions/item/1529-preventing-paris-type-terrorist-attacks-by-reducing-stress
 The military of any country can prevent terrorism by deploying a proven, 
advanced human resource-based military technology. Invincible Defense Technol...


 
 View on www.agendang.com 
http://www.agendang.com/index.php/columns/opinions/item/1529-preventing-paris-type-terrorist-attacks-by-reducing-stress
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Explosions in Paris

2015-11-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To Meditation, Citizens!
 

 Form your groups!
 

 Let's Meditate,
 Let's Meditate! 
 

 Let's go Meditators of the Nation,
 The Day of Glory has arrived.

 

 Against us stands tyranny,
 The bloody standard is Raised.
 

 Do you hear in your fields
 The baying of these ferocious jihadis
 

 To Meditation,
 Citizens!
 

 Form your battalions,
 

 Let's Meditate,
 Let's Meditate!
 Let's do nothing!

 

 

 

 

 La Marseillaise, French National Anthem (Fr/En) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g
 
 La Marseillaise, French National Anthem (Fr/En) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g La Marseillaise is the French 
National Anthem. This video includes the song and subtitles in English and 
French. La Marseillaise est l'Hymne National Franç...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If I were a Muslim living in Paris, or just in France, I'd feel like I was 
taking my life in my hands to go on some kind of mass march. Too many 
right-wing haters could take a shot at me in ostensible retaliation. 

 A lot of Muslims have taken to social media to denounce the attacks; at least 
they'll stay physically safe.
 

 Furthermore, demanding a mass march is too damn much like demanding a loyalty 
oath. The moderate Muslims haven't done anything wrong; they shouldn't be under 
suspicion, they shouldn't have to prove they're not terrorists.
 

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll believe in the moderate Muslims, Back, when I see them all marching in 
France to denounce their radical, violent cousins. I believe that 7.5% of 
France is Muslim—well, let's hear from them. Let's see them respond to the 
terrorists en masse, saying, This is not Islam! 
 

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/14/how-muslims-around-the-world-condemned-the-paris-attacks/?tid=sm_fb
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/14/how-muslims-around-the-world-condemned-the-paris-attacks/?tid=sm_fb
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dude,they are violent because Islam is a violent religion! What other religion 
do you know of that advocates beheading, chopping off hands, lashes and stoning 
for adultery in this day and age? Islam is the center of their culture. These 
people think they are doing exactly as Mohamed the *Prophet * taught them to do 
because that is how he operated! When push comes to shove, the so called *good* 
Muslim will in the end, stand with his *brother* in Islam, not his new adopted 
country. The *good* Muslim is just too pussified to do what his violent brother 
does and waits patiently for him to do the dirty work. After all, he's getting 
all the virgins! 
 

 My question of the day for myself: Do I continue talking to the Muslim haters 
here or just shut up? I think I'll shut up. I have to admit S3 did surprise me 
though. However, if my favorite hater, Emptypants, has anything to say he knows 
I can't resist his poetically whispered charms. 
 

 When people can't separate the radicals from the regular Muslim, the fleeing 
immigrants from what they are fleeing from then there is no use in talking. 
Carry on, folks.
 
 













 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Explosions in Paris

2015-11-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If I were a Muslim living in Paris, or just in France, I'd feel like I was 
taking my life in my hands to go on some kind of mass march. Too many 
right-wing haters could take a shot at me in ostensible retaliation. 

 A lot of Muslims have taken to social media to denounce the attacks; at least 
they'll stay physically safe.
 

 Furthermore, demanding a mass march is too damn much like demanding a loyalty 
oath. The moderate Muslims haven't done anything wrong; they shouldn't be under 
suspicion, they shouldn't have to prove they're not terrorists.
 

 All true, but unfortunately for them they hide a fifth column. Their mosques 
are where people learn their "radical" ideas, their Islamic bookshops are where 
the knowledge of prophet is kept. It's from their number that the terrorists 
come. 10 young men from a town I used to live in are now fighting for ISIS in 
Syria. I might have stood next to them in their shops or rented a room from 
their Dad's when I was a student.
 

 How do we go about even deciding who's problem it is to sort out? When a 
mother took her young children to live in the Islamic State her family blamed 
the police for not taking more steps to prevent them leaving the country.On any 
other day they'd object to such close scrutiny or "racial stereotyping". These 
are such close-knit communities I find it hard to believe that people close to 
them don't know what is going on in their heads.
 

 And now, after the Muslim suburbs of France have provided a bunch of homegrown 
fanatics, the French government are bombing Syria. How does that work? Where is 
the candlelit vigil for the hundreds of slaughtered children the few civilians 
left in Syria are going to wake up to?
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll believe in the moderate Muslims, Back, when I see them all marching in 
France to denounce their radical, violent cousins. I believe that 7.5% of 
France is Muslim—well, let's hear from them. Let's see them respond to the 
terrorists en masse, saying, This is not Islam! 
 

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/14/how-muslims-around-the-world-condemned-the-paris-attacks/?tid=sm_fb
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/14/how-muslims-around-the-world-condemned-the-paris-attacks/?tid=sm_fb
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dude,they are violent because Islam is a violent religion! What other religion 
do you know of that advocates beheading, chopping off hands, lashes and stoning 
for adultery in this day and age? Islam is the center of their culture. These 
people think they are doing exactly as Mohamed the *Prophet * taught them to do 
because that is how he operated! When push comes to shove, the so called *good* 
Muslim will in the end, stand with his *brother* in Islam, not his new adopted 
country. The *good* Muslim is just too pussified to do what his violent brother 
does and waits patiently for him to do the dirty work. After all, he's getting 
all the virgins! 
 

 My question of the day for myself: Do I continue talking to the Muslim haters 
here or just shut up? I think I'll shut up. I have to admit S3 did surprise me 
though. However, if my favorite hater, Emptypants, has anything to say he knows 
I can't resist his poetically whispered charms. 
 

 When people can't separate the radicals from the regular Muslim, the fleeing 
immigrants from what they are fleeing from then there is no use in talking. 
Carry on, folks.
 
 













 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes

2015-11-11 Thread salyavin808
n't think negative thoughts, read 
Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is 
doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in 
ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people 
suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they 
just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well 
as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them. 



 

 salyavin808 asks:
 So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do 
about it? 
 
 
 Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The Oct 21st meeting? It was one in a continuation 
of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been 
ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the 
Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are 
interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. 
On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off 
Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The 
larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done 
[accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental 
health in to the community. 
 The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. 
They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but 
working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different 
aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting 
process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the 
presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health 
treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. 
 
 
 This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to 
the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. 
Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated.  Evidently it 
is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture.  There 
were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. 
The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the 
whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and 
movement leadership. 
  It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that 
everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the 
room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond 
to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard 
and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through 
out the meeting. 
 Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and 
without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture 
with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once 
everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a 
word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to 
everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a 
range of feelings.
 Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should 
be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go 
entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in 
front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and 
everything was said without comment or discussion.  It just moved around the 
room to everyone.  These were pertinent action points. 
 In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and 
physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the 
most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently 
generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take 
to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very 
open and very well done.  Communal process to continue,,
 # #
 Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time 
for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and 
go forth and have a better day. 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” 
 No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: 
Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to 
apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann 
through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in 
Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading 
the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

2015-11-11 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No wonder you need to claim an Emerson quote. Damn yanks were always confused 
but it must make perfect sense across the pond in the local parish.

 

 The quote was from Walt Whitman. But Emerson could have supplied a choice 
sentence. As could Thoreau or William James or Emily Dickinson. All Yanks and 
making perfect sense. 

 
If "we is all one" then why isn't there confusion of memories and identities 
between all these "apparent" individuals? 
 

 That's the million-dollar question.
 

 Sometimes the wires do get crossed and there is just such a confusion - as 
when individuals claim to suddenly experience a previous life - as Barry has so 
claimed on FFL. Why should it be a previous life of Barry's and not the life 
experience of another man entirely as seen by The One, the transcendental self 
which is witnessing everything?
 

 As memories belong to our lower self they are localised to each individual 
brain/body. Normally each of us is locked into our own apparent and separate 
personalities. If we weren't the game of life would be a cacophony that would 
leave everyone paralysed so the seeming separation has a survival benefit. And 
this way we can love and hate each other. Exciting huh?
 

 If true. I suspect there's a rather easier way of explaining it. How about 
this "transcendental self" not actually existing and the reason we think it 
does is because we can occasionally attain states of mind where our normal 
cognitive apparatus is changed so that what we usually see as background space 
becomes all we see thus giving rise to the idea that this transcendental 
vastness is ever present but we don't normally see it? After all, the only 
evidence we have is down to experiences gained via drugs or meditation, it is 
thus very interpretation dependent - we have a good trip and look around for 
explanations, so far the only ones we really have are all of the "cosmic" 
variety, I'm expecting something that fits in with our knowledge of 
evolutionary processes.
 

 It's not as much fun granted, but a proper science of mind is going to have to 
take into account all experiences we can possibly have and the breaking up of 
normal functioning in meditation is going to be rather revealing as it's a 
quiet systematic process, I'm sure the correlation between areas of the brain 
are going to change at each claimed "level" of consciousness.
 

 Apart from the lack of something to re-incarnate, my main objection is an 
evolutionary one; if we could remember past lives it would be so amazingly 
useful we'd use the skill all the time, but we can't. That makes me suspect 
that all claimed experiences of such or flashes of other lives however gained 
are something else entirely.
 

 I convert for evidence.
  
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 S3
Each of us is that One Self.

Oh ... I get it. The great shruti of the Brahmarishi-s. 
"Us is One". No wonder you need to claim an Emerson quote.
Damn yanks were always confused but it must make perfect sense across the pond 
in the local parish.

If "us is one" then when my current thought "I am Emptybill" suddenly ends, as 
all thoughts do, why isn't my next thought "I am Bhari2"? And then my next 
thought ... "I am Willy the Moron or "Us Chanuchistani's need to stick 
together"?

If "we is all one" then why isn't there confusion of memories and identities 
between all these "apparent" individuals? 










[FairfieldLife] The evolution of consciousness?

2015-11-09 Thread salyavin808


 Here's an old relative of ours. Very old actually, but unlike in the usual run 
of events this little chap his his (or her) brain fossilised which makes it 
very interesting indeed. Given that we need a certain amount of icky gubbins 
between the ear in order to have conscious experience, we must also need a 
certain amount to have a spiritual experience. 
 

 What's interesting to me - but probably not high on the paleontologist's list 
of research priorities - is, at what stage of our development as animals did we 
first start having experiences that one might call "transcendental" or visions 
of some sort of god? Have we always been plagues by them? I doubt it, my dog 
never stares from her basket with more than boredom or restlessness and I can't 
imagine any fish getting all tripped out about a sudden glimpse of cosmic 
awareness. Even chimpanzees are overrated in the sophistication stakes, they've 
got a good store of learned behaviours to mix up and fool earnest researchers 
into thinking they are recording actual creative thought. But they aren't.
 

 So it's just us and we came from critters like this little guy on through fish 
and dogs and chimps, and then on to our not really understood and often 
unappreciated awesomeness as sentient beings.. How does that work? 
 

 I always liked Julian Jaynes' idea that we developed consciousness [defined by 
him as our interior monologue and self-awareness and not our awareness of 
surroundings and instinctual responses] all of a sudden a mere few thousand 
years ago, and developed it out of our old gods because they were us and we 
hallucinated their voices. Sounds bizarre but when you compare old testament 
writing to new, and the Iliad to the Odyssey, you notice a switch from bossy 
old style gods playing with their hapless human charges to a kind of touchy 
feely "we can work it out" style of operation. But the old gods still haunt us 
and we (some of us anyway) are unable to think of our own ideas and still turn 
to them for inspiration. 
 

 And think of all the people who report hearing voices, psychosis etc. Maybe 
spiritual experiences are a flashback to an earlier time when our brains didn't 
work in the same way as they do now? After all, if Jaynes is right and 
conscious thought is a new thing, but still dependent on its connection with 
deeper brain functions like feelings and desires, we could expect it to be 
patchy and prone to slipping out of gear (evolutionary throwbacks are common 
with new genetic variations) maybe this is the root of spiritual experience and 
we have no other language to explain it with apart from the one of our old 
stories. Gods and prophets and visions.
 

 But what has all this got to do with a fossilised arthropod? Well, somehow we 
got from there to here. There are really only two important questions, how we 
did we do that, and why is there a universe in the first place? 
 

 

 Ancient arthropod brains surprise paleontologists 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2015/nov/09/ancient-arthropod-brains-surprise-paleontologists

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2015/nov/09/ancient-arthropod-brains-surprise-paleontologists
 
 
 Ancient arthropod brains surprise paleontologists 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2015/nov/09/ancient-arthropod-brains-surprise-paleontologists
 Exceptionally well preserved 520-million-year-old arthropod brains overturn 
the old idea that nervous tissue does not fossilize, and provide fresh insights 
into...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Universe Could Have a Billion Trillion Earth-like Planets

2015-11-02 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :

 On 10/29/2015 11:43 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Are some of these scientists insecure or something?  I mean, we're getting 
"scientist" probably in their 20s declaring things and they really haven't had 
much experience in life.   Everyday we get proclamations some which conflict 
with another group's proclamations the week before.  Some are just really, 
really lame.  I would give them a D if I were their professor.
 
 
 I'm intrigued to know what "experience in life" you could have that would make 
you more likely to know how much matter there is in distant galaxies. Surely 
it's a matter of measuring gravitational rotation and studying 
spectroheliographs of emitted light?




 
 I'm intrigued by how you misunderstand what the term "experience in life" 
means.  It means "mature thinking".  That's why I'm wondering if these ideas 
are those of millennial scientists. 
 Nice try, but it still doesn't explain how mature" one would need to be to 
operate data gathereing equipment. PHD level would do just fine.
 
 
 Logically the way we see things in nature work of course it is entirely 
possible there are earth like planets throughout the universe.  But why make 
the stupid statement that this planet is among the first.  More likely many, 
many "Earths" have come and gone.  That is a more logical assumption.
 

 Not logical at all if you understand the universe to be a particular age and 
that it took time for stellar processes to create the heavy matter necessary 
for planets like ours.
 

 It's a matter of atomic complexity. The first generation of atoms were 75% 
hydrogen, it was the supernovae of the first stars that created the next level 
of complexity by fusing atomic nuclei together to make heavier elements. It 
takes four generations of stars forming and collapsing to create carbon:





 
 However that too is just a theory. There's no "just" about it. We know how 
atoms are made and what they are made of, know what the universe was made of 
when it started and we know that stars create heavy matter out of light 
particles. Unless someone magicked it all into being and our knowledge of 
particle physics is a coincidence, I would say we have a bonafide explanation. 
 
 

 FORMATION OF THE HIGHER MASS ELEMENTS 
 
 
 
 FORMATION OF THE HIGHER MASS ELEMENTS Formation of the High Mass Elements 
(What Happens Inside a Star) ABSTRACT Once the universe was created by the Big 
Bang, the only abundant elements prese...


 
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 On 10/29/2015 02:44 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   According to a new research by astronomers.  Essentially, they're saying 
consciousness is present everywhere in the universe, which MMY stated in his 
books.  But Carl Sagan supposedly stated that the golden records on the Voyager 
probe may be found by another intelligent species which have not yet existed 
today.  Or, that the records would eventually wither away in outer space 
without being discovered by any intelligent beings.
 
 
 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths
 
 
 
 
 
 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths A new study finds the 
universe is chock-full of materials for making Earth-like planets, but most of 
them haven't formed yet.


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Universe Could Have a Billion Trillion Earth-like Planets

2015-10-30 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are some of these scientists insecure or something?  I mean, we're getting 
"scientist" probably in their 20s declaring things and they really haven't had 
much experience in life.   Everyday we get proclamations some which conflict 
with another group's proclamations the week before.  Some are just really, 
really lame.  I would give them a D if I were their professor.
 

 I'm intrigued to know what "experience in life" you could have that would make 
you more likely to know how much matter there is in distant galaxies. Surely 
it's a matter of measuring gravitational rotation and studying 
spectroheliographs of emitted light?
 
 Logically the way we see things in nature work of course it is entirely 
possible there are earth like planets throughout the universe.  But why make 
the stupid statement that this planet is among the first.  More likely many, 
many "Earths" have come and gone.  That is a more logical assumption.
 

 It's a matter of atomic complexity. The first generation of atoms were 75% 
hydrogen, it was the supernovae of the first stars that created the next level 
of complexity by fusing atomic nuclei together to make heavier elements. It 
takes four generations of stars forming and collapsing to create carbon:
 

 FORMATION OF THE HIGHER MASS ELEMENTS 
http://aether.lbl.gov/www/tour/elements/stellar/stellar_a.html 
 
 http://aether.lbl.gov/www/tour/elements/stellar/stellar_a.html 
 
 FORMATION OF THE HIGHER MASS ELEMENTS 
http://aether.lbl.gov/www/tour/elements/stellar/stellar_a.html Formation of the 
High Mass Elements (What Happens Inside a Star) ABSTRACT Once the universe was 
created by the Big Bang, the only abundant elements prese...
 
 
 
 View on aether.lbl.gov 
http://aether.lbl.gov/www/tour/elements/stellar/stellar_a.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 
 On 10/29/2015 02:44 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   According to a new research by astronomers.  Essentially, they're saying 
consciousness is present everywhere in the universe, which MMY stated in his 
books.  But Carl Sagan supposedly stated that the golden records on the Voyager 
probe may be found by another intelligent species which have not yet existed 
today.  Or, that the records would eventually wither away in outer space 
without being discovered by any intelligent beings.
 
 
 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths
 
 
 
 
 
 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths A new study finds the 
universe is chock-full of materials for making Earth-like planets, but most of 
them haven't formed yet.


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could Have a Billion Trillion Earth-like Planets

2015-10-30 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to a new research by astronomers.  Essentially, they're saying 
consciousness is present everywhere in the universe, which MMY stated in his 
books. 
 

 What they are actually saying is that there is enough material to make 
billions of Earthlike planets, it's a long way from there to complex life and 
then onto sentient beings like us. And how could Marshy have gathered any 
information about what is out there, he didn't make single testable prediction 
in his entire life. Some scientist! 
 

 If he was in touch with the laws of nature he could have settled any number of 
arguments and given us an unequivocal demonstration of how received knowledge 
is superior to all our searching and testing. He was just fumbling around in 
the dark like the rest of us.
 

  But Carl Sagan supposedly stated that the golden records on the Voyager probe 
may be found by another intelligent species which have not yet existed today.  
Or, that the records would eventually wither away in outer space without being 
discovered by any intelligent beings.
 

 Be cool if the Voyager probe is all the remains of humanity - a thousand 
different ways of saying Hello and a Rolling Stones track! They can't say we 
didn't try!
 

 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths 
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/all-the-future-earths/413017/?utm_source=yahoo

 
 
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/all-the-future-earths/413017/?utm_source=yahoo
 
 Our Planet Is Among the First of Many, Many Earths 
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/all-the-future-earths/413017/?utm_source=yahoo
 A new study finds the universe is chock-full of materials for making 
Earth-like planets, but most of them haven't formed yet.


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: NYTIMES >>> TM IN NY SCHOOLS

2015-10-25 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And, what does the public school principal do when searching the internet 
about TM and the principal finds the Global Country of World Peace with its 
patriarchy of kings and rajas?  How does a David Lynch TM teacher explain that 
to the public school administrator?
 

 Simple. He admits that the TMO is a Hindoo religious sect that holds the vedas 
of India as the purest example of perfect human knowledge and that we firmly 
believe that recreating their alleged society would be the best thing for all 
mankind because we have houses that make you invincible, prayers that can end 
wars - if you can afford them - and if that doesn't work we can hop up and down 
until peace is restored.
 

 Then he picks up his unemployment cheque and heads out the door.
 

 OR, he can say that that is just the way we do things in our organisation but 
TM itself is sold according to it's proven benefits for self-development to 
whoever wants it. What you don't want to do is admit that the DLF is a gateway 
foundation to gradually indoctrinating new meditators by telling them about 
unified fields and yogic flying and systematically getting them into the belief 
system until they've swapped reality for Marshy's knowledge. Like they did with 
us
 

 

 

 
 

 Nine Days of Mother Divine

 Daily Celebrations at the Maharishi Vedic Pandit Campus
 October 13-21
 

 10:00 am-1:00 pm Mother Divine Recitation by five Vedic Pandits
 8:00-9:30 pm Evening aarti with all the Vedic Pandits   


  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Under Stress, Students in New York Schools Find Calm in Meditation 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html

  
  
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
  
  
  
  
  
 Under Stress, Students in New York Schools Find Calm in ... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 Though evidence is thin on how well mindfulness and meditation might work at 
school, the use of inward-looking practices in the classroom is growing.


 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 

 

 “It’s built into the schedule,” said Linda Rosenbury, founding principal at 
Brooklyn Urban Garden, a middle school. “Everyone clears off their desks. They 
shouldn’t be chewing gum, but if they are, they spit it out. Their hands are 
free. We ring a bell.” A building full of preteens and teenagers goes quiet, 
she said.
 “It used to be that you wouldn’t say ‘meditation’ in polite company,” said Bob 
Roth, executive director of the David Lynch Foundation 
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/, a charitable foundation founded by the 
director of “Blue Velvet,” that promotes and teaches transcendental meditation 
to adults and children, including those at Brooklyn Urban Garden.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Brave New World

2015-10-24 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What will humans look like in 1,000 years?
 

 Or possibly:
 

 

 

 Find Out What Humans Will Look Like in 1,000 Years 
http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/23/humans-1000-years-video/

 
 
 http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/23/humans-1000-years-video/
 
 Find Out What Humans Will Look Like in 1,000 Years 
http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/23/humans-1000-years-video/ This video from 
AsapSCIENCE explains how humans might evolve over the next 1,000 years, 
including how humans might adapt to climate change and what kind ...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!

2015-10-22 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The problem with socialism is, that sooner or later, you run out of other 
people's money.
 

 That's odd, we've got an ultra-capitalist government in the UK and we're going 
cap in hand to the People's Socialist Republic of China for money to get roads 
and power stations built, and we are going to have to pay for it too. Oh yes.
 

 That's the trouble with endless tax cuts for people who don't need them. But 
globalisation is our real enemy and some of us could tell a long time ago but 
the greed of businesses for making bigger profits by transferring production to 
third world countries has doomed us to a low wage, high rent society with just 
the 1% at the top making any money while the rest of us get screwed over to a 
greater or lesser extent. 
 

 Social inequality has increased vastly since the Tories came to power and it 
will only get worse as the new TTIP agreement gets signed into law, a greater 
levelling between countries encourages a race to the bottom in pay and 
conditions. 
 

 And the environment always suffers when dimwitted right-wingers take charge, 
trees aren't cost effective, "the Markets" would rather invest in something 
they can make money from by the end of the day. They act like resources are 
infinite! Or that we'll be able to cope with more people and less farmland!
 

 The trouble with capitalism is that sooner or later all the money is owned by 
the likes of Rupert Murdoch.
 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 What's happening is that the dems are freaked by the traction Bernie Sanders 
is getting.  He's also popular with millennials who could swing the vote.  I 
also have a theory Sanders is the reason Trump jumped into the race.  So it 
could be an election of democratic socialism vs corporatism.  Thing is, the US 
needs some socialism to balance things.  All corporatists care about is making 
lots and lots of money and the public be damned.
 
 I've listened to Sanders on Thom Hartmann's show for years and he is a very 
reasonable person so it won't be the new Soviet Union by a any means.  Hillary 
is too "status quo" with lots of skeletons in her closet.
 
 On 10/21/2015 07:22 AM, hepa7@... mailto:hepa7@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
 


   
 What three psychics told us will happen in the 2016 election
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/what-three-psychics-told-us-will-happen-in-the-2016-election/
 
 What three psychics told us will happen in the 2016 elec... We asked three 
psychics to spoil the next 16 months for us (for entertainment purposes only, 
of course).


 
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