[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread sparaig

Are you the one that quoted Jerry Jarvis concerning the woman who published teh 
book?

Something about her standing up during a lecture  and talking about her dream 
that she and MMY got hitched?

40 years later, and she writes a book saying that MMY told her in a dream to 
write a book about her and MMY having an affair.

Hmmm...


L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, I 
 have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and at 
 the mighty Maharishi U.
 
 I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met 
 at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff 
 for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and South 
 Carolina yea those many years ago. 
 
 
 This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with 
 strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has been 
 wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and lying about 
 it to both cover and continue the behavior. 
 
 
 For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole 
 feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and 
 especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he 
 was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and 
 whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able 
 to lie and sexually manipulate women.
 
 For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a systemic 
 problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be looked on as 
 the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to create a persona 
 of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much charisma) and lie to 
 get what he wanted, with a desire to see people improve them selves and the 
 world as a background. 
 
 
 Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed 
 really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self 
 aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more.
 
 
 My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was 
 enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many 
 places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to the 
 enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never does 
 anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would have been 
 impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were unethical and 
 lie about it.
 
 So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was 
 sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole teaching 
 because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not have known by 
 experience what enlightenment is.
 
 My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal 
 with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he 
 did, and it doesn't matter or what?
 
 For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly 
 deceptive lifestyle he led, and doesn't have the huge implications on the 
 teaching of enlightenment that it does for my friend. I am of the opinion 
 that one can have theoretical knowledge of the idea of and process of 
 enlightenment and even teach about it, but not experience it oneself. 
 
 
 So how did any of you process these allegations that Maharishi was sexually 
 active?





[FairfieldLife] Discussion on reddit I started about TM, enlightenment, advaita vedanta, etc

2013-08-24 Thread sparaig
http://www.reddit.com/r/EasternPhilosophy/comments/1kvkh4/the_physiological_basis_of_one_school_of_advaita/

Feel free to drop in and throw peanuts...

L



[FairfieldLife] discussion on reddit I started about TM, enlightenment, advaita vedanta, etc

2013-08-24 Thread sparaig
http://tinyurl.com/lsr97wc

Feel free to join in and throw peanuts...


L



[FairfieldLife] Fred Travis gives lecture on TM to doctors and researchers in Australia

2013-08-21 Thread sparaig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LcijAiOdjk

The Black Dog Institute. Only in Australia: http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/



[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

2013-08-21 Thread sparaig
His mom is a TM teacher, I believe. She may or may not have taught him.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Lawson, years ago Rolling Stones magazine interviewed Howard Stern and asked 
 him if there was anyone or anything he would not mock. He immediately replied 
 Maharishi and TM. But he didn't mention his Mom in that context only that he 
 had benefited from TM.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:13 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . 
 .
  
 
 
   
 He IS the master of the shock-jock style of interview.
 
 When he interviewed MMY, he was ultra-respectful, I believe (if nothing else, 
 his mom would have killed him).
 
 L
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
  
   Actually, in the Howard Stern interview, Howard kept on encouraging him 
   to say something bad about Katey Perry. Say something bad about her 
   vagina.
  
  Hmmm, Stern sounds like he's developed some empathy and quality
  values from his 40 years of meditating.
  
   Brand's response was my wife was perfect from top to bottom.
   
   L
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
I read the article with amusement and disgust - whether you think him 
vile and disgusting or merely graceless, his TM-ing is running true to 
form - the Movement goes to asses to do PR for them - just look at 
their behavior and see if its a good advertisement for TM







 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their 
TM . . .



  
When PR fails, they may try to send him on Purusha, by  pressing bad 
press??? LOL 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2384829/Russell-Brand-jokes-think-women-love-Katy-Perry.html
 

Hey Russy baby, don't listen to all those brainless boobs. Just  
phuck em like a harem.  Of course some of them just lay there ( 
Don't want to mess up the hair, or the makeup or the nails.)   
No need to move to Uttar Kashi and give up your bank account to save 
your soul, either.   
              Mr. Brand, please 
do these exceptional yagyas for this and that.    This 
$$. and
 That $.

I don't
 care what the Maharishi Pandits have said. I know. Been there, done 
that.   Keep trying. Don't give up. Don't give it all away. It 
will not make your life any better. 

You will get that special one, some day, that darn Rahu/Shukra thing 
gives a rough ride sometimes, but don't give up. 
Just find someone with the Rahu/Shukra too, then you too can sit and 
hold hands by that television on the couch,( for 5 minutes)  as per 
more media crap says you say, where did you find your handlers
   
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/russell-brand_n_3491697.html 

There, Nabby, I posted this to give you something else to think about 
beyond crop circles...your other most favorite topic; People who are 
famous who have done TM or do TM or continue TM. :)
...this is also to help Mr. Brand know he can
 keep his chin up because, just because posting this was something to 
do, to fill a day of fasting. 






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 Wonder how much Lynch paid him to tout TM - as we all know, if you 
 visit OTHER SAINTS you can't git in the Domes - what a bunch of 
 disingenuous saps the TM leaders and PR people are.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with 
 their TM . . .
 
 
 
   
 Hmm. Come on Russell, who's yer real Daddy?  lol  
 Just sayin..
 
 
 
 http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/comedian-russell-brand-pictured-exploring-2179780ÂÂÂ
  
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
 
  Uber-hippies alright.
  I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:
  
  weskitten   1 year ago
   dF8alM
  
  that TM wanker. Bloody curryÃÆ'¯Â»Â¿ conman!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lifeboat Hour this week

2013-08-21 Thread sparaig

Are you a cat by any chance?


L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 I've heard one doc say that one shouldn't eat tuna, which I love, more than 2 
 or 3 times a year!
 
 
 
 
 
  From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:09 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lifeboat Hour this week
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Most so-called Atlantic Salmon is farmed - fish packed in pens, pumped full 
  of steroids and antibiotics, so they can grow to adult size in a fraction 
  of the time. I am anything but a foodie, though I wanted to share that 
  tidbit with you.
 
 The dangers of eating farmed fish is becoming obvious. Authorities in Russia 
 and Norway now advice to eat that fish maximum twice a week and warns it 
 should not being eaten by pregnant women and children.
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Well noozguru, I've stopped eating salmon from the west coast, or any 
   fish from there actually. And I've heard that the price of it has 
   plummeted. And then I saw a news article claiming to list the five fish 
   that are still safe to eat! That article indicated to me that *they* know 
   that we know what Fukushima hath wrought. though I think to be really 
   honest I must say, what we have wrought. Don't we all have to take some 
   responsibility for it? Anyway, I haven't listened to the radio show yet 
   but read the short essay, stopped breathing momentarily at the bit about 
   the Tokyo aquifer. My answer to all this is to meditate and pursue my own 
   healing as best as I can. Is there something more to be done, do you 
   think? Thank you for posting.
   
   
   
   
   
From: Bhairitu noozguru@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:23 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lifeboat Hour this week
   
   
   
     
   Mike Ruppert reports the latest on Fukushima.  Enjpy!
   http://prn.fm/2013/08/18/lifeboat-hour-081813/
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

2013-08-21 Thread sparaig
He doesn't appear to mention TM at all


And why would people be unable to do TM because of face blindness or any of the 
other issues mentioned?

Dementia to the point that they can't remember instructions would prevent 
someone from learning/practicing TM, and no doubt specific brain injuries can 
cause problems that TM teachers don't know how to workaround, but that's 
different than generic brain damage preventing you from learning TM.

L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 
 Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious
 hardware problems, TM is practically useless.  Other schools
 have already acknowledged this.
 
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 
 
 ---  Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total
 paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off
 right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on
 reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient,
 all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to
 acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
 
 
 
 
  ---  Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
 zombie like you?
 
 
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
 
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
 shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
 suggest Charles Manson:
 
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do
 our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not
 really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind.
 Can't you see I'm free?'
 
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
 up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to
 me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world.
 You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
 completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert ��
 it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the
 desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every
 sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state
 of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

2013-08-20 Thread sparaig
Actually, in the Howard Stern interview, Howard kept on encouraging him to say 
something bad about Katey Perry. Say something bad about her vagina.

Brand's response was my wife was perfect from top to bottom.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I read the article with amusement and disgust - whether you think him vile 
 and disgusting or merely graceless, his TM-ing is running true to form - the 
 Movement goes to asses to do PR for them - just look at their behavior and 
 see if its a good advertisement for TM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . 
 .
  
 
 
   
 When PR fails, they may try to send him on Purusha, by  pressing bad 
 press??? LOL 
 
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2384829/Russell-Brand-jokes-think-women-love-Katy-Perry.html
  
 
 Hey Russy baby, don't listen to all those brainless boobs. Just  phuck em 
 like a harem.  Of course some of them just lay there ( Don't want to mess up 
 the hair, or the makeup or the nails.)   
 No need to move to Uttar Kashi and give up your bank account to save your 
 soul, either.   
               Mr. Brand, please do these exceptional yagyas for 
 this and that.    This $$. and
  That $.
 
 I don't
  care what the Maharishi Pandits have said. I know. Been there, done that.  
  Keep trying. Don't give up. Don't give it all away. It will not make your 
 life any better. 
 
 You will get that special one, some day, that darn Rahu/Shukra thing gives a 
 rough ride sometimes, but don't give up. 
 Just find someone with the Rahu/Shukra too, then you too can sit and hold 
 hands by that television on the couch,( for 5 minutes)  as per more media 
 crap says you say, where did you find your handlers
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/russell-brand_n_3491697.html 
 
 There, Nabby, I posted this to give you something else to think about beyond 
 crop circles...your other most favorite topic; People who are famous who have 
 done TM or do TM or continue TM. :)
 ...this is also to help Mr. Brand know he can
  keep his chin up because, just because posting this was something to do, to 
 fill a day of fasting. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  Wonder how much Lynch paid him to tout TM - as we all know, if you visit 
  OTHER SAINTS you can't git in the Domes - what a bunch of disingenuous saps 
  the TM leaders and PR people are.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:27 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . 
  . .
  
  
  
    
  Hmm. Come on Russell, who's yer real Daddy?  lol  Just sayin..
  
  
  
  http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/comedian-russell-brand-pictured-exploring-2179780ÂÂ
   
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
  
   Uber-hippies alright.
   I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:
   
   weskitten   1 year ago
dF8alM
   
   that TM wanker. Bloody curry conman!
   
   
   
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
   
Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith
   Richards still meditates... LOL
   
   
   

 From: Seraphita s3raphita@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] We
  know the Beatles carried on with their TM
   . . .
   
Â
   
. . . Â and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I
   wonder how many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating their
   mantras.
Not this guy obviously . . .Â
   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4Â
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

2013-08-20 Thread sparaig
Me thinks that you needed to get checked.

Noise is no barrier to meditation simply because it doesn't matter what your 
response is, not because you can somehow handle the noise in some elegantly 
spiritual  fashion.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 Have you noticed that macho attitude some TMers strike where they claim
 they can meditate anywhere regardless of ambient noises - most
 infamously at a scandal-racked teacher-training course in Mallorca (?)
 when there were explosions going off in the out-of-season hotel car park
 during renovation work!
 I could never manage that trick - I need relative quiet. A few years
 back I was doing my evening session on bonfire night (November 5th) here
 in UK and about half-way through the entire street decided to set off
 their fireworks at the same time. Jesus! Since then I always meditate
 before darkness falls on that date.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
 
 
  Many people imagine recording studios or places where music is played
 as noisy places in their minds. When in fact, they are usually the
 opposite much more of the time then there is sound. (As you mentioned
 above about the guys seeking the studio to authentic Himalayan
 silence, is true.)   Where there is music practiced and recorded, these
 are some of the best places to seek the silence. Kind of like the gap.
  People imagine these places as big party atmospheres with no noise
 going to be heard of their own, or forced into hearing other sounds that
 they did not click on the stereo, tv, or mp3 ipod.
  Total silence to total sound filling a place. So magical, both
 experiences.
  Thanks for bringing that up. I have had that subject thrown in my face
 before in similar situations of conversation, and it is hard to explain
 sometimes, good point to share. :)
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

2013-08-20 Thread sparaig
He IS the master of the shock-jock style of interview.

When he interviewed MMY, he was ultra-respectful, I believe (if nothing else, 
his mom would have killed him).

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  Actually, in the Howard Stern interview, Howard kept on encouraging him to 
  say something bad about Katey Perry. Say something bad about her vagina.
 
 Hmmm, Stern sounds like he's developed some empathy and quality
 values from his 40 years of meditating.
 
  Brand's response was my wife was perfect from top to bottom.
  
  L
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   I read the article with amusement and disgust - whether you think him 
   vile and disgusting or merely graceless, his TM-ing is running true to 
   form - the Movement goes to asses to do PR for them - just look at their 
   behavior and see if its a good advertisement for TM
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:40 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM 
   . . .

   
   
     
   When PR fails, they may try to send him on Purusha, by  pressing bad 
   press??? LOL 
   
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2384829/Russell-Brand-jokes-think-women-love-Katy-Perry.html

   
   Hey Russy baby, don't listen to all those brainless boobs. Just  phuck 
   em like a harem.  Of course some of them just lay there ( Don't want to 
   mess up the hair, or the makeup or the nails.)   
   No need to move to Uttar Kashi and give up your bank account to save your 
   soul, either.   
                 Mr. Brand, please do these exceptional yagyas 
   for this and that.    This $$. and
That $.
   
   I don't
care what the Maharishi Pandits have said. I know. Been there, done 
   that.   Keep trying. Don't give up. Don't give it all away. It will not 
   make your life any better. 
   
   You will get that special one, some day, that darn Rahu/Shukra thing 
   gives a rough ride sometimes, but don't give up. 
   Just find someone with the Rahu/Shukra too, then you too can sit and hold 
   hands by that television on the couch,( for 5 minutes)  as per more 
   media crap says you say, where did you find your handlers
      
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/russell-brand_n_3491697.html 
   
   There, Nabby, I posted this to give you something else to think about 
   beyond crop circles...your other most favorite topic; People who are 
   famous who have done TM or do TM or continue TM. :)
   ...this is also to help Mr. Brand know he can
keep his chin up because, just because posting this was something to do, 
   to fill a day of fasting. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
   
Wonder how much Lynch paid him to tout TM - as we all know, if you 
visit OTHER SAINTS you can't git in the Domes - what a bunch of 
disingenuous saps the TM leaders and PR people are.





 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their 
TM . . .



  
Hmm. Come on Russell, who's yer real Daddy?  lol  Just sayin..



http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/comedian-russell-brand-pictured-exploring-2179780ÂÂ
 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:

 Uber-hippies alright.
 I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:
 
 weskitten   1 year ago
  dF8alM
 
 that TM wanker. Bloody curry conman!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
 
  Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith
 Richards still meditates... LOL
 
 
 
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] We
know the Beatles carried on with their TM
 . . .
 
  Â
 
  . . . Â and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I
 wonder how many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating 
 their
 mantras.
  Not this guy obviously . . .Â
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4Â
 

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit flashcards!

2013-08-18 Thread sparaig
Flashcards with optional sound would be so much better.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 http://www.cram.com/tag/sanskrit





[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-18 Thread sparaig
IS any of it a discovery?

It seems more like its  an acknowledgement of a situation: Oh, I'm like that, 
aren't I? Huh. Not as big a deal as I expected.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the ultimate in questions 
 and answers?
 
 Enlightenment *is* a verb, mostly, one discovery after another. Though, on 
 approach, like seeing Disneyland in the distance, it looks like a massive, 
 solid, consumable, object.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno wrote: There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
  anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot 
  be 
  questioned. And there is enlightenment. 
  
  Share writes: And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the 
  ultimate in questions and answers?
  
  Plus, what about science? There is science which only loves operationally 
  defined questions and answers?
  
  
  
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:36 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
   
  
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   You should probably read the essay:
   
   http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
   
   Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
   is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
   bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
   like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
   brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
   to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
   brother to be your identical twin brother.
   
   As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
   is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.
  
  I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking what you have 
  written here, I have a few comments.
  
  There is something it is like to be Batman because this persona was created 
  in the human mind of Robert Kane. The human mind can envision things, 
  situations, people, which previously did not exist, and bring them to 
  fruition. I am thinking how realistically good actors portray characters 
  that in many cases are very unlike their own persona. People actually seem 
  to come to believe that the actors are the characters, and not as they 
  really are, people doing the job of pretending to be a person for the 
  purpose of drama. We create machines that never have before existed, say 
  the iPod. Is there something it is like to be an iPod? (Assumes that 
  consciousness is not a localised property).
  
  What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine what it is to be 
  like someone? 
  
  If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even your twin, if you 
  had one, what does this say for your supposed ability to know what a 
  person's motives are, what they are experiencing when they make a post here 
  on FFL? According to the account above, it would seem likely that you are 
  very much overstepping what it is possible to actually know, and yet you 
  present other's motivations in such a way that makes it seem you are 
  certain this or that is what is happening internally with a person when 
  that person posts. This comment of course applies to anyone else who here 
  posts also. I am not questioning your motives here, but what evidence 
  exists that supports your view of their motives for posting?
  
  I have been gradually reading through Feser's blog posts on Nagel. Really 
  interesting. I would consider him a dualist of some kind. I am not a 
  dualist because I have a world view that does not include metaphysics. It 
  certainly includes mystery, as the details of existence are elusive. For me 
  the mystery of consciousness is largely solved, but there is nothing I can 
  say about it, but as it turns out I am actually in agreement with Maharishi 
  on the majority of essential points even though I find the Hindu-centric 
  nature of the movement's language less appealing than other ways of 
  speaking about this. Of course others may consider what I think of what 
  Maharishi taught as a gross distortion of what he actually meant. So the 
  world turns.
  
  In general, any philosophy that separates characteristics of existence into 
  logically incompatible categories serves to provide endless argument. 
  Examples are physical and non-physical, matter and spirit, etc. Whenever 
  this is done, it seems impossible to create an interface between the two 
  opposed characteristics that would connect them. It is kind of like 
  positive and negative integers. Mathematically possible. But what is the 
  appearance or taste of one orange compared to a minus one orange? So there 
  are three choices (at least). There 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-15 Thread sparaig
I'll not go into details, save to point out that 1) Chopra never did a puja 
before teaching, at least when he taught me, and 2) TMers and Sidhas apparently 
got somewhat different instructions.

I have no idea what non-TMers were told to do as there were none on the 
Fairfield course I was at.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 Thanks Michael.
 Re not an internally used mantra: a bit like japa maybe?
 Was the Primordial Sound Technique ditched by the TMO when Chopra bailed
 out or is it still available as an advanced technique?
 I found my TM induction a heck of an initiation! As in, quite dramatic
 body twitchings and that sense of falling down the rabbit hole like
 Alice. For you, was your PSM initiation back in '96 even more of a
 wake-up call than your first TM session? One thing I like about my
 original seed mantra (which I have stayed faithful to) is that I'm happy
 to let it mutate during a session and have been intrigued by claims that
 all these bija syllables eventually turn into Aum if allowed to follow
 their natural course. I always think that if I had to repeat a
 three-part mantra (with more than three syllables of course) I'd be
 concentrating too much on remembering the sequence correctly to be able
 to enter a state of restful alertness -whereas a one- or two-syllable
 mantra is perfect for Seraphita's tiny mind!
 On the topic of his books, I'm tempted to buy War of the Worldviews as I
 enjoy argy-bargy and I respect Chopra for having the balls to engage in
 open debate with a full-on materialist. Anyone read that and would
 recommend it?
 .
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  The original Primordial Sound Technique was a TM thing that Chopra
 gave out, having the person intone a certain sound. It was not an
 internally used mantra.
 
  The Primordial Sound Meditation that Chopra came up with is a mantra
 meditation. The mantras are chosen according to your birthday and time.
 
  I got my PSM mantra back in 1996 - it was a heck of an initiation.
 
  The PSM mantras are all three part mantras, the first is Om, the
 second part is the one determined by your birthday and time info, and
 the third part is Namah, so Om (Private mantra) Namah.
 
 
 
 
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:27 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
 
 
 
  �
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig  wrote:
  
   Well, he re-wrote _Quantum Healing_, which was originally about the
 Primordial Sound Technique, which has nothing to do with Primordial
 Sound Meditation, to make it all about the latter.
 
  Is the � Primordial Sound Technique basically TM with a new (and
 longer) mantra? And how does it differ from Primordial Sound
 Meditation (apart from being a lot more expensive, I guess)? � The
 only Chopra book I've read was Synchrodestiny which although being
 unobjectionable struck me as pretty bland. Can anyone recommend a Chopra
 title that they found helpful?
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-15 Thread sparaig
Chopra has a thinner skin than MMY did, as far as I know. Of course, MMY never 
went into a live AMA forum on reddit.com, so its hard to  know what he would 
have done, but someone started playing the auto-chopra.com (don't remember the 
URL sorry) back to him as though it were comments from readers. Its basically a 
typical phrase generator: one from column A, one from column B, one from column 
C --based on a collection of random sayings by Chopra.

Chopra apparently got very excited by the wisdom of the bot and they apparently 
got into a long-winded conversation until someone revealed the AI behind the 
curtain.

Chopra got real mad and cut a video castigating fools for doing such a thing.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
  If you're interested in the debate with materialists, you
  could do a lot better than Chopra. He's not what I would
  call a rigorous thinker.
 
 He's an asshole.
 
  
  You might try Thomas Nagel's Mind and Cosmos: Why the
  Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost
  Certainly False. 
  
  Nagel got in a lot of trouble with the big-time materialists;
  the book really upset them, so he must have hit close to the
  bone.
 
 LOL.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-15 Thread sparaig
http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

You'll think a simplistic AI is totally enlightened...

...or something.

[Apparently fooled Chopra]

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing without Maharishi, there 
 would certainly have been no primordial sound meditation. 
 At least he is honest about it unlike certain others.
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html





[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-15 Thread sparaig
It might be the case. I always thought MMY was pretty good at stringing 
sentences together, at least in short bursts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/
  
  You'll think a simplistic AI is totally enlightened...
  
  ...or something.
  
  [Apparently fooled Chopra]
 
 What makes you think that Maharishi was doing anything
 other than this same parroted pattern-matching?
 
 This is *exactly* the kind of thing I was referring to
 earlier as spiritual teacher schtick and that Curtis
 referred to as a language form. 
 
 And Maharishi was *just* as likely to use it as Chopra.
 
 [ Apparently that fooled you, and many others ]
  
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing 
   without Maharishi, there would certainly have been 
   no primordial sound meditation. 
   At least he is honest about it unlike certain others.
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
  
 





[FairfieldLife] TM is not a magic bullet...

2013-08-14 Thread sparaig
http://tmwomen.org/benefits-body-weight-management.html#video=Gleq_q1Neu4

[...]
TM practice alone is not a magic bullet. But it is a very effective tool to 
reestablish balance in our lives, which in turn helps us normalize weight and 
maintain it at the level that’s healthiest for us.

Signs of growing maturity in how TM is presented to the world...

L





[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-14 Thread sparaig
My recollection is that Chopra moved to California nearly a year before he went 
on Oprah (I recall talking to his assistant out there -the Lancaster Ayurveda 
Center gave me the number). The letter was not read at MY TM center until after 
Chopra went on Oprah to promote a new book that had nothing to do with TM. This 
was nearly a year after Chopra had made his move, and until he went on Oprah, 
TM centers DID sell his books.

Chopra was selling a version of Quantum Healing with a letter to my meditating 
friends prior to that, but the versions of his book that were re-released when 
Chopra went on Oprah were all substantially edited into the form they are now.

The only exception is _Return of the Rishi_ which still has a dedication to 
MMY. Coincidentally, _Return of the RIshi_ is not sold on Chopra's website, 
though you can get selected audio readings of it.

L



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Chopra re-wrote those books because the Movement made him a pariah. I know 
 some people who worked with Chopra in those days, I also was shown the letter 
 the Movement sent to all the TM centers immediately after Chopra went out on 
 his own by a friend who was the Center chairman of the Columbia SC TM center 
 at the time.
 
 The letter stated that Chopra books were not to be sold at the Centers 
 anymore, the centers were not to even HAVE any of Chopra's books on the 
 premises, Chopra was not to be talked about at the centers during any intro, 
 prep or advanced lectures. And this was when his books were full of 
 references to TM. 
 
 Some of the people who were with Chopra in those days, and my daughter's 
 mother who is a Primordial Sound Meditation instructor, and who has talked 
 about this with Chopra told me that Chopra initially wanted to have his 
 center, what became the Chopra Center for Well Being, recommend and teach TM 
 and ayurveda, with the Movement supplying the TM teachers and ayurvedic 
 vadjyas. But Marshy would have none of it, and directed the letter be sent to 
 all TM Centers. 
 
 In my opinion it was the same kind of spiteful, vindictive bs that Marshy did 
 when he directed the community of Heavenly Mountain could no longer do 
 business there, it was only for Purusha and retired people - he did this in 
 response to Earl Kaplan cutting of the funds, and M retaliated by making sure 
 the business people who were supporting the community would leave. Some 
 enlightened master. And Rick wonders why I call the old goat a fraud.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
  
 
 
   
 Well, he rewrote _Quantum Healing_, which was originally about the Primordial 
 Sound Technique, which has nothing to do with Primordial Sound Meditation, to 
 make it all about the latter. While he was at it, he deleted all references 
 to Maharishi, and how Maharishi had taught him the Primordial Sound Technique 
 and how to teach it, and actually asked him to write the book _Quantum 
 Healing_ in order to  explain how it might work, but other than minor details 
 like that, yes, Chopra is quite honest about it...
 
 L
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing without Maharishi, there 
  would certainly have been no primordial sound meditation. 
  At least he is honest about it unlike certain others.
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Eric Isen: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/14/2013

2013-08-14 Thread sparaig
Many people HAVE gained CC via TM, or so the published research suggests, 
while many more have not.

Perhaps a higher percentage of people would be enlightened now if they all 
stuck to official 8-limbed yoga practices.

But TM, by itself, has proven sufficient for some folks to gain enlightenment, 
and full-blown yoga would never be appealing to as many people by several 
orders of magnitude, at least.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote:

 
 At 20 minutes now and Isen is right, it hasn't worked or doesn't work because 
 there is more to Yoga than just TM practice. MMY said, All limbs (of 
 Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga) were meant to be practiced *simultaneously*, 
 MMY/Gita appendix on Yoga.
 
 MMY wasn't teaching Patanjali's Yoga, he was teaching a simple mental 
 technique that he hoped would bring about all the wonderful things we all 
 want, effortlessly, I think MMY was mistaken, there's more to it than that
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

2013-08-13 Thread sparaig
Well, he rewrote _Quantum Healing_, which was originally about the Primordial 
Sound Technique, which has nothing to do with Primordial Sound Meditation, to 
make it all about the latter. While he was at it, he deleted all references to 
Maharishi, and how Maharishi had taught him the Primordial Sound Technique and 
how to teach it, and actually asked him to write the book _Quantum Healing_ in 
order to  explain how it might work, but other than minor details like that, 
yes, Chopra is quite honest about it...

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing without Maharishi, there 
 would certainly have been no primordial sound meditation. 
 At least he is honest about it unlike certain others.
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-12 Thread sparaig
I was commenting on the apparent contradiction of talking about deciding to 
embark on a program to undo Unity as:

  And besides, as Rory notes and Robin has said here many
  times, he was not acting based on his own will; that was
  gone.
 

In that context:  Whose will was gone and who decided to unmake his state of 
Unity?

Afterall, the no will card was played in response to my challenge about 
testing Unity by learning and practicing the TM-Sidhis, so if Robin was beyond 
all this stuff about questioning his own Unity in that respect, howcome he got 
to decide to un-Unitize his consciousness?

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Really good questions, Lawson. 
 
 That isn't a question. It is Lawson restating, in disbelief, what he finds 
 unbelievable, but it's not a question. When stated like this it is a 
 statement, an opinion. Lawson doesn't buy it, in other words.
  
  
  
  
   From: sparaig LEnglish5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:27 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
   
  
  
    
  Whose will was gone and who decided to unmake his state of Unity?
  
  L
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  He now thinks enlightenment generally is a sort of
  cosmic trick furthered by intelligences that do not
  have the best interests of human beings at heart.
 
 In other words he's raving mad.

As much as I appreciated the fellows sensitivity, graciousness
and ability to write poetically something obviously went very
wrong. To me it seemed he was trying to force Maharishi into
acknowledge his enlightenment, which I personally don't think
was a very wise thing to do.
   
   That's exactly what he did, but it was back in *1983*, and
   he realizes now it wasn't a very wise thing to do. On the
   other hand, at the time he had reason to believe that
   Maharishi supported him totallly, and he was flabbergasted
   and distressed by Maharishi's response to his demand that
   Maharishi certify his enlightenment, which was recorded and
   played in court when MIU sued him. Again, he's described 
   all this in his posts.
   
Someone here, Dr.D ?, suggested he should have waited for
awhile, stopped and see how things develop, which would have
been a wise thing to do. Instead he rushed away proclaiming
all kinds of stuff to people hungry for someone to talk to.
   
   That's yet another absurd characterization. He didn't rush
   away. He stayed for the rest of the course he was on and
   then went home. There was no way he could keep it a secret
   that he had become enlightened; Maharishi had asked him to
   talk about it to the course participants, and of course the
   word got around. The teachers at his local TM center were
   understandably eager to learn whatever one of their own who
   had made it had to say. It was like having access to a
   second Maharishi. His experience of Unity consciousness
   remained perfectly stable; he had no reason to think he
   needed to do anything but continue to act in his
   enlightened state.
   
   And besides, as Rory notes and Robin has said here many
   times, he was not acting based on his own will; that was
   gone.
   
   
   
It had to crash. 
This story could probably be an interesting movie though :-)
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-12 Thread sparaig

Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin?

L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
   wrote:
   
He now thinks enlightenment generally is a sort of
cosmic trick furthered by intelligences that do not
have the best interests of human beings at heart.
   
   In other words he's raving mad.
  
  As much as I appreciated the fellows sensitivity, graciousness
  and ability to write poetically something obviously went very
  wrong. To me it seemed he was trying to force Maharishi into
  acknowledge his enlightenment, which I personally don't think
  was a very wise thing to do.
 
 That's exactly what he did, but it was back in *1983*, and
 he realizes now it wasn't a very wise thing to do. On the
 other hand, at the time he had reason to believe that
 Maharishi supported him totallly, and he was flabbergasted
 and distressed by Maharishi's response to his demand that
 Maharishi certify his enlightenment, which was recorded and
 played in court when MIU sued him. Again, he's described 
 all this in his posts.
 
  Someone here, Dr.D ?, suggested he should have waited for
  awhile, stopped and see how things develop, which would have
  been a wise thing to do. Instead he rushed away proclaiming
  all kinds of stuff to people hungry for someone to talk to.
 
 That's yet another absurd characterization. He didn't rush
 away. He stayed for the rest of the course he was on and
 then went home. There was no way he could keep it a secret
 that he had become enlightened; Maharishi had asked him to
 talk about it to the course participants, and of course the
 word got around. 

There you have it. The word got around because they
couldn't keep their big mouths shut. I feel sorry for
Maharishi having to deal with all these nitwits, these
hard knots of ignorance, including myself :-)
   
   Seems to me he coulda told Robin and the rest of the CPs
   to keep their big mouths shut if he wanted to keep it
   quiet.
   
What an impossible task he took upon himself, still he
managed to pull it through with the support of the Masters
of the Holy Tradition.

This quote is from 1983, after the events you are referring
to.
   
   Which quote? Your Maharishi quote below?
   
But somehow I doubt these course participant nor Robin
would be able to grasp it's significance. I also had to
learn this lesson the hard way:

Matters of Divine significance have to be kept private, in
order to fructify - Maharishi (from notes)
   
   Hard to tell which matters he was referring to without
   any context. It doesn't appear that he could have been
   referring to Robin, since he never told Robin to keep it
   private.
   
   Unless he said this after the MIU mess, having realized
   it was a *mistake* not to have told Robin to keep it
   private, and to have had him describe his experience of
   Unity to the course participants.
   
   If that was the case, why didn't the Masters of the Holy
   Tradition give him that guidance when he needed it? Why
   didn't he give *Robin* that guidance when he needed it?
   
   I think you may have put yourself into a box you can't
   get out of, Nabby.
  
  Oh'yes, and it's quite cosy in here too :-)
  
  Robin was one of thousands of CP's at the time, he wasn't
  as important to Maharishi as you seem to think.
 
 I don't think you're in a position to know that, actually.
 
 Seems to me that if Robin had in fact achieved Unity
 consciousness, he would have been a *very* big deal to
 Maharishi, exactly because he was the only one of those
 thousands of CPs who had made it, ostensibly proving
 that TM was what Maharishi said it was.
 
 After Robin had gone home, Maharishi kept very close
 tabs on him, even sending aides to Vancouver to check
 out what he was doing. Robin never heard a
 discouraging word from him.
 
 Maharishi never gave Robin any reason to believe
 Maharishi didn't endorse his enlightenment, or what he
 was doing with it, not until the court case in 1983,
 which put Maharishi between a rock and a hard place.
 Had Maharishi agreed that Robin was in Unity at that
 point, the complications would have been enormous.
 
  Why should the quote have anything to do with Robin ?
 
 Why indeed?
 
  He 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-12 Thread sparaig
So basically, until such time as Robin forced his hand with the court 
involvement, MMY tried to stay totally neutral.

By this point, I'm assuming that Robin was no longer doing TM?

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
  
   Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin?
  
  Robin. I'll see if I can find the post for you.
 
 Here it is:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889
 
 He's responding to a post from Vaj.
 
 You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes,
 Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg...





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-12 Thread sparaig
So basically, until such time as Robin forced his hand with the court 
involvement, MMY tried to stay totally neutral.

By this point, I'm assuming that Robin was no longer doing TM?

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
  
   Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin?
  
  Robin. I'll see if I can find the post for you.
 
 Here it is:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889
 
 He's responding to a post from Vaj.
 
 You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes,
 Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg...





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-11 Thread sparaig
Whose will was gone and who decided to unmake his state of Unity?

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
He now thinks enlightenment generally is a sort of
cosmic trick furthered by intelligences that do not
have the best interests of human beings at heart.
   
   In other words he's raving mad.
  
  As much as I appreciated the fellows sensitivity, graciousness
  and ability to write poetically something obviously went very
  wrong. To me it seemed he was trying to force Maharishi into
  acknowledge his enlightenment, which I personally don't think
  was a very wise thing to do.
 
 That's exactly what he did, but it was back in *1983*, and
 he realizes now it wasn't a very wise thing to do. On the
 other hand, at the time he had reason to believe that
 Maharishi supported him totallly, and he was flabbergasted
 and distressed by Maharishi's response to his demand that
 Maharishi certify his enlightenment, which was recorded and
 played in court when MIU sued him. Again, he's described 
 all this in his posts.
 
  Someone here, Dr.D ?, suggested he should have waited for
  awhile, stopped and see how things develop, which would have
  been a wise thing to do. Instead he rushed away proclaiming
  all kinds of stuff to people hungry for someone to talk to.
 
 That's yet another absurd characterization. He didn't rush
 away. He stayed for the rest of the course he was on and
 then went home. There was no way he could keep it a secret
 that he had become enlightened; Maharishi had asked him to
 talk about it to the course participants, and of course the
 word got around. The teachers at his local TM center were
 understandably eager to learn whatever one of their own who
 had made it had to say. It was like having access to a
 second Maharishi. His experience of Unity consciousness
 remained perfectly stable; he had no reason to think he
 needed to do anything but continue to act in his
 enlightened state.
 
 And besides, as Rory notes and Robin has said here many
 times, he was not acting based on his own will; that was
 gone.
 
 
 
  It had to crash. 
  This story could probably be an interesting movie though :-)
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-11 Thread sparaig
So Unity is still about me and you?

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  Whose will was gone and who decided to unmake his state of Unity?
 
 See Rory's comment.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  He now thinks enlightenment generally is a sort of
  cosmic trick furthered by intelligences that do not
  have the best interests of human beings at heart.
 
 In other words he's raving mad.

As much as I appreciated the fellows sensitivity, graciousness
and ability to write poetically something obviously went very
wrong. To me it seemed he was trying to force Maharishi into
acknowledge his enlightenment, which I personally don't think
was a very wise thing to do.
   
   That's exactly what he did, but it was back in *1983*, and
   he realizes now it wasn't a very wise thing to do. On the
   other hand, at the time he had reason to believe that
   Maharishi supported him totallly, and he was flabbergasted
   and distressed by Maharishi's response to his demand that
   Maharishi certify his enlightenment, which was recorded and
   played in court when MIU sued him. Again, he's described 
   all this in his posts.
   
Someone here, Dr.D ?, suggested he should have waited for
awhile, stopped and see how things develop, which would have
been a wise thing to do. Instead he rushed away proclaiming
all kinds of stuff to people hungry for someone to talk to.
   
   That's yet another absurd characterization. He didn't rush
   away. He stayed for the rest of the course he was on and
   then went home. There was no way he could keep it a secret
   that he had become enlightened; Maharishi had asked him to
   talk about it to the course participants, and of course the
   word got around. The teachers at his local TM center were
   understandably eager to learn whatever one of their own who
   had made it had to say. It was like having access to a
   second Maharishi. His experience of Unity consciousness
   remained perfectly stable; he had no reason to think he
   needed to do anything but continue to act in his
   enlightened state.
   
   And besides, as Rory notes and Robin has said here many
   times, he was not acting based on his own will; that was
   gone.
   
   
   
It had to crash. 
This story could probably be an interesting movie though :-)
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

2013-08-07 Thread sparaig
By famous people, I meant people like David Lynch, Clint Eastwood, Howard 
Stern, Donvan, Jerry Seinfeld, and so on, all of whom have been meditating in 
the 4 decade range.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  [...]
   
   That's the thing that TBs never seem to realize about
   their dreams of an Age Of Enlightenment -- how BORING
   it would be. 
  
  Do you really believe that things would be boring if everyone meditated?
 
 Things would be exactly the same if everyone meditated. Look
 at this place, look at the TMO. I think the point is that *if*
 you got your dreamed of AoE you wouldn't have any of the fun,
 rows and scandals that seem such a motiff around here and in
 the wider movement.
  
  I mean, I'd expect fewer crimes and such, but look at the famous people who 
  have been meditating for 40 years: are they boring?
 
 The only one I can think of is Lynch and I would definitely
 say his career has been sinking to ever more anodyne lows
 as the years go by. The rest of the long termers, Bevan etc,
 don't strike me as embodying any values I would have associated
 with enlightenment before I actually knew what the score was.
 
 I suspect you have an idea of what the AoE would be like but keep
 getting it confused with mundane reality. That's the TMOs bad, it
 keeps up the myth of a perfect life for all but has yet to deliver
 even a glimpse for us to get excited over, seems like it's all
 dogma to me - get the east facing house, eat the right food, pay
 for the yagyas, get to the dome twice a day and voila! Or not...
 
  
  Creating a situation where you operate at lower stress-levels shouldn't 
  make a lick of difference as to how interesting or uninteresting people 
  find you unless it is the self-destructive impulses due to stress that 
  people are finding interesting. 
 
 This is often the way with music and art. And war has always
 been the biggest motivator of industry, do you think we would
 have got to the moon without the Rusky threat, no chance. Forget
 Mars, and Jeebus, in what way would people spending 4 hours a day
 in the dome make them more likely to build huge rockets. It gives
 you *less* time to do stuff, the accomplish more thing is a joke
 isn't it?
 
  
  DO you think that the existence of crime and war in the world make the 
  world a more interesting place to live? What if we used those same 
  resources to go to Mars or devise a better educational system, or a better 
  Internet? 
  
  Wouldn't the world be at least as interesting in that situation?
 
 It would be interesting to live in a fantasy world yes. But I don't
 see any great discoveries coming from meditators, unless I missed
 something, I think TM - fundamentally - don't do jack shit, you are either a 
 great thinker to start with, or you aren't. 
 
 Would Einstein have discovered things quicker if he spent 20x20 in
 a trance? We'll never know but we can be sure that if he got brainwashed by 
 the reesh he would have made as many wild unprovable and speculative claims 
 about physics as certain other scientists 
 I could mention. 50 years of meditation has failed *utterly* in this regard. 
 Hagelin has *not* finished Einstein's work.
  
  L
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

2013-08-07 Thread sparaig
Jerry Seinfeld learned TM before me and is only a eyar older than me. Howard 
Stern learned TM from his mom, I suspect. David Lynch learned TM a week before 
I did and didn't become famous until years after that. 

There are no doubt other long-term TMers that are famous. About 1/2% of all 
adults in the USA learned TM at one point or another.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  By famous people, I meant people like David Lynch, 
  Clint Eastwood, Howard Stern, Donvan, Jerry Seinfeld, 
  and so on, all of whom have been meditating in the 
  4 decade range.
 
 Lawson, don't you *ever* get tired of being a 
 perpetual groupie, and gaining your sense of  
 self worth by associating yourself in your mind
 with people you've never met, and with whom the
 only thing you have in common is that you all
 once learned a simple, rudimentary technique
 of meditation?
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

2013-08-06 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
 
 That's the thing that TBs never seem to realize about
 their dreams of an Age Of Enlightenment -- how BORING
 it would be. 

Do you really believe that things would be boring if everyone meditated?

I mean, I'd expect fewer crimes and such, but look at the famous people who 
have been meditating for 40 years: are they boring?

Creating a situation where you operate at lower stress-levels shouldn't make a 
lick of difference as to how interesting or uninteresting people find you 
unless it is the self-destructive impulses due to stress that people are 
finding interesting. 

DO you think that the existence of crime and war in the world make the world a 
more interesting place to live? What if we used those same resources to go to 
Mars or devise a better educational system, or a better Internet? 

Wouldn't the world be at least as interesting in that situation?


L



[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.

TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating TM 
with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated with 
pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait becomes 
stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet watchfulness as a 
background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger still, this 
background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of consciousness. 

Because we naturally call our self that which is most constant in our 
internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet background 
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, quiet, 
non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their real self. Once this 
occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the beginning 
stages of CC.

HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, CC-wise:

you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for example. 
Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system that 
manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
consciousness your entire meditation time.

Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
continue to meditate.


Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC before 
you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, how 
stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify it as 
one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of the 
perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never be sure 
that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).

Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state of 
GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.

This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he had it all because 
he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, he stopped 
doing TM.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
 
 If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
 Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
 
 Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
 Awareness. 
 
 What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
 the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
 Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
  longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
  enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
  
  Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
  right of it?
  
 
 
 Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
 amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
 even while I heard him say the things originally.
 -Buck
 
  
  
  
   From: Buck 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
  
  
  
    
  
  
   
   On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Whoah!!!
   
What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?
   
This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
majority of the world has nothing to offer.
   
That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
sidha or governor.
   
Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
   
  
  No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
  enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
  said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
  with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The 
  Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
And of course, just because silence has been present 24/7 for a while, doesn't 
mean it will persist for the rest of your life anyway.

The criterion for being included in Fred Travis' tests on CC was that CC was 
ongoing and had been stable for at least a year. A month (or year) of CC 
doesn't guarantee that one will always be in CC, and being in CC doesn't mean 
you can't still gain benefit from TM practice. 

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 What I think he meant is that once silence is permanently established, it 
 will not fade away. But, even once silence is established, there is still so 
 much growth to take place. That never stops, and TM is a pretty effective 
 way, imo, to keep the ball rolling.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
  longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
  enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
  
  Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
  right of it?
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
   
  
  
    
  
  
   
   On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Whoah!!!
   
What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?
   
This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
majority of the world has nothing to offer.
   
That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
sidha or governor.
   
Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
   
  
  No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
  enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
  said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
  with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The 
  Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during 
  the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators 
  here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead.  That is lifetime very 
  well spent. -Buck
  http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
  
  
There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them 
are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no 
longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did 
TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for 
some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without 
fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
   
   
--
*From:* Buck 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
mjackson74@ wrote:

 So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to 
still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?


   
Dear MJ;
Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur 
not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a 
Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of 
course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is 
a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does 
not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in learned 
to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to 
read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has 
worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw 
it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no 
philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha 
too.
I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
-Buck


 
 From: Buck
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators



 Â


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  One of your many problems is that you 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 Michael Jackson mjackson74@ mailto:mjackson74@  wrote:
 
  Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM
 longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once
 enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
  
  Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the
 right of it?
  
 
 
 Nope, bullshit. I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always
 amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him
 even while I heard him say the things originally.
 -Buck
 
 One thing he did say one time: people on a course were complaining about
 some instruction he had given to round less. He said there may come a time
 when I ask you to stop meditating entirely. The important thing is to follow
 my instructions.


 I suspect this was mostly in the context of unstressing during meditation or 
during long-courses, but you never know.

L.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
I thought that I was the reason for the post limit in the first place as I had 
a tendency to post 100's of posts during the worst part of my OCD issues some 
years back.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Nah - Why bother? Barry, as our FFL Administrative Assistant 
  wannabee, can do it, though you WILL have to chase him around 
  the desk a few times.
 
 Sounds to me as if someone is really pissed that I 
 outed him as the high scorer in the FFL Ain't Got 
 No Self Control Contest.  :-)
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
we'll reinstate it.
   
   Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
   however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
Maharishi basically calls TM plain old thinking when explaining it in this 
video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ


Its one of my favorite talks by him, and its just a QA session with some 
people, who might not even be meditators, rather than some formal lecture time.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
 
 Apparently you've bought into the story of 'TM' being
 somehow different than just plain old thinking. I'm
 sure this won't be lost on Barry. LoL!
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
Huh. Even going by the SCI tapes, which is the most advanced stuff I have had 
access to, the idea that one never needs to meditate after one obtains CC (or 
even GC or even UC) seems to be a misunderstanding of what MMY said.

The fact that you think otherwise suggests reasons why you don't think TM is 
much to write home about.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
 
 A good question. And I await with 'bated breath
 the parroted answers that responders were taught
 on TTC.  :-)
 
 After all, if one buys into the TM dogma, what
 *use* is meditation after one is living its goal?
 
 Then again, if one buys into that dogma, one could
 come to believe the same thing about feedback from
 the real world.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
Dunno. It didn't help, I am reasonably certain.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I know this make open the proverbial can of worms but I have-ta ask anyway. 
 Is it your assertion that Robin C. got into the place he got into internally 
 and externally because he stopped doing TM? And only for that reason?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
  
 
 
   
 You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.
 
 TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating 
 TM with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated 
 with pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait 
 becomes stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet 
 watchfulness as a background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger 
 still, this background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of 
 consciousness. 
 
 Because we naturally call our self that which is most constant in our 
 internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet 
 background 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, 
 quiet, non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their real self. Once 
 this occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the 
 beginning stages of CC.
 
 HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
 background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, 
 CC-wise:
 
 you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for 
 example. Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system 
 that manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
 consciousness your entire meditation time.
 
 Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
 doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
 continue to meditate.
 
 Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC 
 before you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, 
 how stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify 
 it as one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of 
 the perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never 
 be sure that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).
 
 Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state 
 of GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
 growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.
 
 This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he had it all 
 because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, 
 he stopped doing TM.
 
 L
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
  
  If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
  Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
  
  Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
  Awareness. 
  
  What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
  the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
  Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
  
  
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
   longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
   enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
   
   Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
   right of it?
   
  
  
  Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
  amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
  even while I heard him say the things originally.
  -Buck
  
   
   
   
From: Buck 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
   
   
   
     
   
   

On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 Whoah!!!

 What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile 
 perspective?

 This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
 have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
 majority of the world has nothing to offer.

 That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do 
 TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
Well, putting one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.

Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
attained CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, or 
such is my understanding.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a we, in his 
 comment.
 
 Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
 this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
 of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
 together. 
 
 If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
 thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is a 
 common, though by no means, universal malady. 
 
 Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
 recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, his 
 projecting isn't helping.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of true 
  consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail to truly 
  question.
  
  David Frawley
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
Remember that eventually the nuclear powerplant itself becomes nuclear waste 
that needs to be disposed of. I find it highly unlikely that radioactive 
concrete and steel will ever be useful as nuclear fuel, so it can't be recycled.

And anything that is highly radioactive can be used as the shell for a dirty 
bomb, so that issue never goes away in any reasonable time-frame.

There are legitimate uses for nuclear power, but creating enough nuclear 
reactors to solve all our current and future power needs is impractical. 
There's going to be no single solution to the problem.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 Thorium - interesting - will follow this.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   Has anyone mentioned this?:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
   

   

   

   
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
   On Behalf Of Susan
   Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power
   documentary
   

   
 
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808
   fintlewoodlewix@ mailto:fintlewoodlewix@  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote:

 I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who
   has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got
   convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also
   interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and
   changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth
   catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in
   2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and
   accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - 
   and
   now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at 
   all
   an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. 
   It
   also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste
   that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these 
   are
   also incredible.


These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they
come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming
power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and
that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option.
   
   The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear
   environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe
   that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western
   populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right
   thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the 
   developing
   nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair
   and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full 
   steam
   ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel 
   that
   given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just 
   count
   on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those
   systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out
   of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for 
   now.

The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough
uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we
switch wholesale and build more reactors. 

Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have
flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them
ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so
simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and
It's just bound to happen sooner or later.

But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder
reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very
   well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it
becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we
have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. 
   
   I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been 
   around
   since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to
   go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power 
   plants
   (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste 
   is
   mostly recyclable and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to still be 
   a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
   
  
  
  Dear MJ;
  Well, we are identified by the things we do.  Yur a meditator or yur not in 
  this case.  Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not.  Likewise a Governor.  In 
  our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter.  Of course people will 
  split hairs many more ways.  It sounds like Feste is a non-meditator 
  quitter as in once learned meditation and just does not do it.  Like if I 
  remember right you are a meditator, as in learned to meditate and you 
  meditate now.  It is the only reason I bother to read yur posts here.  What 
  could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?  That 
  someone could learn meditation and throw it away is tragedy beyond reason.  
  I'm a practical guy, no philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the 
  time too, a sidha too.
  I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
  Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,  
  -Buck  
 
 I personally don't think quitters and non meditators deserve to live. Not 
 only are they not worth reading or listening to but they must be stupid, 
 sub-human or at least very, very bad influences on the world. I say, Lynch 
 them all and the sooner the better.


Why are you dragging David into the conversation, and what do you mean by using 
his name as a verb?


L



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

2013-08-05 Thread sparaig
That might be, but the criteria for having some degree CC isn't perfect 
silence, but just never losing PC while engaged in activity.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Lawson,
 
 It all depends on what is your definition of cosmic consciousness.  But 
 having a noisy mind appears to be an indication of an inertia due to having a 
 conditioned mind.  What do you think?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  Well, putting one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.
  
  Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
  might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
  attained CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, 
  or such is my understanding.
  
  L
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a we, in his 
   comment.
   
   Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to 
   share this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this 
   technology of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to 
   put this together. 
   
   If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
   thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It 
   is a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
   
   Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
   recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
   his projecting isn't helping.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
to truly question.

David Frawley
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

2013-08-04 Thread sparaig

The biggest issue with nuclear power isn't a risk of a meltdown, or even a risk 
from storage of nuclear waste, but the security risk of creating and refining 
lots and lots of radioactive material that, if stolen, could be used to create 
dirty bombs.

That risk exists in some form at every stage of development and use of nuclear 
power. A nuclear power plant itself is the raw material for a dirty bomb.

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in 
 the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got convinced 
 otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also interviews with 
 several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their 
 minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and 
 so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007.  I have mentioned 
 that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate 
 change.  Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind.  A 
 worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear 
 power, it made a really good case for the positives.  It also seems that 
 there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable 
 by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible.





[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

2013-08-03 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 http://filmschool.mum.edu/


VERY interesting. 

L



[FairfieldLife] The cost of TM these days...

2013-08-03 Thread sparaig
The current price of TM is meant to entice the wealthy to learn as the rich 
don't shop at poor stores to quote the old monk.

The David Lynch Foundation directly hires TM teachers using donations from said 
rich folk and then works with existing charities and groups to teach TM for 
free to veterans, orphans, American Indians, etc.

Your local TM center offers a 4-part payment plan with no credit check, no 
interest payments and 100% flexibility in payment options: pay the first 
quarter up front, and you have the rest of you life to make the final 3 
payments. For people who aren't filthy rich, the local TM center offers 
scholarships and grants. As long as the final amount you pay is over $500, the 
same 4-part payment plan is in effect.

$125 per decade for 3 decades isn't all that expensive: it works out to making 
a $125 payment up front, and then saving $12.50 per year and making a $125 
payment every 10 years that you decide to continue practice TM.

Of course, an honest person would try to pay things off in a reasonable amount 
of time, but that's the current payment structure that the TM organization is 
using: http://www.tm.org/course-fee



[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

2013-08-03 Thread sparaig
Human beings are human beings. I'm currently reading a book called _Buddhist 
Warfare_, which is a real eye opener. There's no organization or religion that 
is immune to being human.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 then how come Girish and Company are fighting with Tony and Bevan for control 
 of the Movement if the TMO is going from strength to strength? - keep your 
 head in the sand nabby, I am sure the view is great down there.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:25 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I think it is great that this is the present quality of TM critic here hehe!
 
 As the TMO goes from strength to strength these so-called critics are 
 becoming increasingly desperate and are on a steep slope towards oblivion.
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   They're just grasping at straws, and it may do some good for the school 
   till Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell the place out from under Bevan 
   and Company.
   
 
   
   And what wonderful irony, in order to attempt to gain some legitimacy in 
   the world's eyes, make themselves look good, and attract students the 
   place that claims to teach how to gain enlightenment is going to have a 
   guy who cusses like the proverbial sailor, is addicted to tobacco and 
   makes films that revolve around some sick, perverted subject matter 
   teaching people to make more sick twisted stuff. 
   
   Tell me that Guru Dev would have applauded having this ass be affiliated 
   with TM, which is SUPPOSEDLY Guru Dev's legacy if someone would have shown
him (Guru Dev) a few minutes of Eraserhead or a couple episodes of Twin 
   Peaks.





[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

2013-08-03 Thread sparaig
The purpose of Ayurveda is to transform poison into nectar.

-Maharishi Mahesh Yogi


L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I notice all the cheerleaders of this latest MUM offering are choosing to 
 ignore the question I posed - do you really think Guru Dev, were he still 
 alive today would be pleased that a chain smoking, cussing guy would be so 
 involved in the TMO, and especially be connected with MUM if he were to see 
 some of the sick, albeit well made films and tv shows Lynch has made? I wish 
 someone would post that question to Bevan at the next staff meeting at MUM. I 
 say again, what a bunch of hypocrites. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
  
 
 
   
 If you had bothered to follow the link and actually read the description of 
 the program (too much to expect from someone like you, I know), you would 
 find the answer to your question as to who other than Lynch would be the 
 instructors. The main one will be Stuart Tanner. He is very well qualified 
 and a great guy:
 
 STUART TANNER
 
 Professor Tanner is an acclaimed producer and director of documentary films 
 for the BBC, National Geographic, The Discovery Channel, and others. His 
 projects include Time Team (2004), Children of Vengeance (2002), Profits of 
 Doom (2001), Death on the Silk Road (1999), The Mahogany Trail (1996), and, 
 most recently, Saving The Disposable Ones (2011), a documentary that takes 
 you to the heartbreaking streets of inner city Columbia, where Father Gabriel 
 Mejia, a Catholic priest, is transforming the lives of thousands of children 
 by providing shelter, love and Transcendental Meditation® program. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  They're just grasping at straws, and it may do some good for the school 
  till Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell the place out from under Bevan 
  and Company.
  
  I wonder who the instructors will actually be? 
  Lynch will only be talking to them by Skype from time to time. 
  
  And what wonderful irony, in order to attempt to gain some legitimacy in 
  the world's eyes, make themselves look good, and attract students the place 
  that claims to teach how to gain enlightenment is going to have a guy who 
  cusses like the proverbial sailor, is addicted to tobacco and makes films 
  that revolve around some sick, perverted subject matter teaching people to 
  make more sick twisted stuff. 
  
  Tell me that Guru Dev would have applauded having this ass be affiliated 
  with TM, which is SUPPOSEDLY Guru Dev's legacy if someone would have shown
   him (Guru Dev) a few minutes of Eraserhead or a couple episodes of Twin 
  Peaks. 
  
  What bullshit hypocrisy on the part of MUM, but hey, they learned it all 
  from the Master Bullshiter himself, Marshy Mahesh Brother Can I Sell You 
  Some Enlightenment Yogi.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: feste37 feste37@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:25 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
  
  
  
    
  This is a wonderful achievement for the university, a real coup. It's great 
  to have such a prominent new arts program in addition to the computer 
  science and business programs. I think it will attract students from all 
  over the country. Congratulations to all who made it possible. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   http://filmschool.mum.edu/
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Show This To Lawson

2013-07-30 Thread sparaig
There's nothing wrong with mindfulness practices, but given a choice between 
doing TM twice a day, or doing mindfulness practices twice a day, I'd recommend 
TM.

Mindfulness and concentrative techniques have their benefits, as Maharishi 
liked to say, but such techniques tend to

1) suppress the functioning of the parts of the brain having to do with sense 
of self, thereby reinforcing the no self perspective promoted by Buddhism;

2) tend to fragment the functioning of the brain.

TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the brain having to do with 
sense of self, and unifies the connectivity of between the self-centers of the 
brain, and the rest of teh brain, thereby reinforcing teh self is everything 
perspective promoted by advait vedanta.

TM tends to have greater positive effects on stress-related issues such as 
anxiety and high blood pressure than mindfulness and concentrative techniques 
do. Mindfulness tends to have greater effects on, well, mindfulness-related 
issues.

Concentration, in and of itself, doesn't do much good for anyone, though the 
brand of concentration called compassion meditation tends to make one feel 
and behave more compassionately towards other people. But, again, that's a 
task-specific outcome.

TM isn't a task per se and anything positive associated with its practice can 
be explained in terms of stress management (Yoga is the subsidence  of mind 
fluctuations [that are brought about by the impressions from past experiences 
that give rise to mental activity inappropriate for the present moment]} -Yoga 
Sutras, I, 2) and strengthening the nervous system so that new stresses are 
likely to take hold.

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote:
 
  It makes him really really nervous. 
 
 
 Feeling the body and coming back to your breath would hardly make a student 
 of real meditation really really nervous
 
 
 
 Under direction of meditation leader Catie Ballard, they focused on feeling 
 their shoulders, elbows, feet and the backs of their knees. They lay still 
 until directed to open their eyes.
 
  You can always keep coming back to your breath, Ballard said. That's the 
 hallmark of every type of meditation in the world.
 
 
 This Ballard is so ignorant he probably studied with a Buddhist lama with a 
 very, very funny hat.
 
 
 
  
  
  http://goo.gl/4gmF8j
  
  http://www.laramieboomerang.com/articles/2013/07/29/news/doc51f496a395e1d996538253.txt
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Show This To Lawson

2013-07-30 Thread sparaig
I haven't practiced mindfulness consistently for any length of time. I also 
haven't practiced to run marathons, either, so if I comment on marathon 
training's effects it will be based on reading the research rather than actual 
experience.


In the case of mindfulness and concentration, I'm simply going by what the 
scientific research shows is the long-term outcome of practicing such things:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693686

That study was designed by proponents of the various practices being studied 
(Alexander was head of teh Psychology Department of MIU, and Langer was a 
Professor of Psychology at Harvard U., who has published many books and 
articles and studies on mindfulness) so that every student had similar 
expectations about what their practice would do for them.


If it sounded like I was claiming to be an expert in mindfulness, I apologize. 
Of course, after 40 years of doing TM, I don't consider myself an expert in TM, 
either, but then, neither was Maharishi.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  There's nothing wrong with mindfulness practices, but 
  given a choice between doing TM twice a day, or doing 
  mindfulness practices twice a day, I'd recommend TM.
 
 Please explain for us how long and how often you
 have actually *practiced* mindfulness techniques,
 as taught by someone who knows what they're doing.
 
 If you cannot, then how does what you say above
 carry any more weight than saying, Given a choice
 between this thing I've actually practiced and this
 other thing that I NEVER HAVE, and in fact have
 been systematically taught for decades that it's
 BAD, or at the very least 'lesser' than the thing
 I've practiced, I'd recommend the ONLY thing I 
 know diddleysquat about?
 
 This is the question you never deal with, Lawson.
 
 All you do is spout stuff you've been TOLD about
 these other techniques. You're a parrot.





[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy

2013-07-30 Thread sparaig
I think MJ assumes that most TM TBers will move directly from one unexamined 
belief system to the next, so going from believing in the absolute perfection 
of TM and Maharishi Ayurveda and the Maharishi Effect to believing in the 
absolute perfection of Western medical practices is a no-brainer.


In other words, once a true believer, always a true believer.

Or something.

L (personally, I think he's projecting, but what do *I* know?)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 (snip)
  AND educate yourselves about the way drug companies market
  their wares you would be much better off than simply blindly
  accepting what the drug companies tell you. 
  
  I know that is difficult since you have had a fine
  indoctrination from the TMO to just believe what you are
  told, but a bit of education on your part on these matters
  might stand you in good stead.
 
 Right, the TMO is well known for its pro-drug company
 propaganda, and those TBs just swallow it without question.
 
 Oh, wait...





[FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this

2013-07-28 Thread sparaig
Why would anyone sell the Domes off and who would buy them?

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Losing the Domes would be terrible for FF too as it aims to become a tourist 
 destination. Funnily enough, the Domes are a tourist attraction, as are the 
 vastu homes, especially the sustainable ones. RAGBRAI (Register's Annual 
 Great Bicycle Race Across Iowa) was in town on Friday. As I was arriving for 
 evening program I saw 2 young cyclists inquiring about touring the inside of 
 the Dome. As I was leaving after program, I saw some older RAGBRAIers taking 
 photos of each other with the Dome as a back drop.
 
 Tee hee, didn't the movie Amalie have the gnome photographed in front of 
 various famous tourists sites: the Parthenon, the Great Pyramid, The Great 
 Wall, the Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, etc? Add to that list: the Golden Domes of 
 Pure Knowledge, the latest and coolest destination for vacation photo taking 
 (-: 
 
 
 
 
  From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't see 
 this
  
 
 
   
 It would be terrible if Bevan or the Indians sold the Domes off. 
 
 -Buck





[FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this

2013-07-28 Thread sparaig

I can't find any mention of who controls MUM outside of the Board of Trustees:

http://www.mum.edu/RelId/628757/ISvars/default/Trustees.htm

Why do you believe that MUM is about to be sold?


L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Correction: this sentence -  to get paid of somehow by Big Bevan and Company, 
 the sale of MUM is 
 inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
 fingers in marshy's eyes.
 
 was supposed to read:  OR get paid OFF somehow by Big Bevan and Company, the 
 sale of MUM is 
 inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
 fingers in marshy's eyes.
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't 
 see this
  
 
 
   
 Look, I do understand you desire to both improve life on earth with 
 meditation and your own personal experiences with group meditation. As I said 
 recently, I always felt greater energy or silence or whatever in group 
 meditation than by myself. 
 
 But I feel I have to be realistic when the people who have administered the 
 group meditations behave like asses at best or total sociopaths at worst. 
 This, plus the continued normal crime rates that exist in communities like 
 Fairfield where there are meditation groups, means to me that there is no 
 effect of fantastic transformation that is attributed to group practice of 
 TM. I looked at some past FFL posts about the level of rapes that have 
 occurred in Fairfield since MIU was established there. And I mean 
 meditator/sidha/governor rape on other TM'ers. Personal and group practice of
  TM may very well make us feel good, but it is incapable of making any 
 fabulous societal transformation. 
 
 I do not mean to be inflammatory by talking about MUM being sold out from 
 under you, but it is a logical conclusion to make. Even ignoring marshy's 
 behavior himself, if you look at the leadership of the Indian Movement, 
 in-fighting, Girish being accused of sexual misconduct, selling off 
 properties illegally, committing fraud to achieve the end of selling off the 
 properties, attempted murder. 
 
 Now if one can assume from eye-witness accounts of the kind of lifestyle 
 Girish leads, which from all accounts appears to be pretty lavish, why would 
 Girish want to sell of Indian TM Movement properties? Is he running out of 
 money? Does he have some mistresses he needs to buy some more silk saris for? 
 Who knows. But if he is willing to illegally sell of the Indian properties, 
 why not do the same thing with the US properties. The only thing that has
  kept him from doing so is the fact that MUM has been a cash cow for the 
 Movement since the 1970's. 
 
 Girish has now made a play to become the new marshy, so he can be emperor of 
 all things TM. Fat Bevan, Raja Tony and their sycophants in the Movement have 
 opposed him. What do you think a fat greedy Indian mountebank will feel and 
 do when his desire to acquire more and better is thwarted? If he is prevented 
 from having all he desires by the American Movement, why not get a passel of 
 money by selling off the American properties and stick a knife in the back of 
 those who have thwarted him?
 
 It is not easy to find anymore on the Net, but there was a time when there 
 was plenty of info about the Maharishi Group online. Last time I looked, the 
 Maharishi Group was founded by Marshy, Girish and the Srivastavas brothers 
 AND the Maharishi Group owned all the property that MIU/MUM was and is on - 
 that included the buildings as well as the land. It would
  be a simple matter to check ownership records at the Jefferson County 
 Recorder's Office, which is in Fairfield since Fairfield is the county seat. 
  Or one could do it online. Unless Girish and his buddies are put in jail, 
 have the Black Camel kneel at their opulent tent, to get paid of somehow by 
 Big Bevan and Company, the sale of MUM is inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy 
 it as a final way of sticking his fingers in marshy's eyes.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't see 
 this
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  why not just let go of the idea that you need a group to get you anywhere? 
  
  The current state of the Movement is natural since it was always propping 
  up Marshy's desire for money, sex and his need to be adulated. Now that 
  he's gone it just fading away regardless of how many so-called celebrities 
  Mr. Cussing Cigarette Smoking Weird Movie Maker parades in front of 
  everyone. 
  
  In just a few short years all these guys like 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this

2013-07-28 Thread sparaig
I can't find who is on the deed of ownership. I guess a Fairfield County 
property assessor search is in order.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 its not about who controls on paper, its about whose name is on the deed of 
 ownership and read my post - it is self  explanatory 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't see 
 this
  
 
 
   
 
 I can't find any mention of who controls MUM outside of the Board of Trustees:
 
 http://www.mum.edu/RelId/628757/ISvars/default/Trustees.htm
 
 Why do you believe that MUM is about to be sold?
 
 L
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Correction: this sentence -  to get paid of somehow by Big Bevan and 
  Company, the sale of MUM is 
  inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
  fingers in marshy's eyes.
  
  was supposed to read:  OR get paid OFF somehow by Big Bevan and Company, 
  the sale of MUM is 
  inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
  fingers in marshy's eyes.
  
  
  
  
   From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't 
  see this
  
  
  
    
  Look, I do understand you desire to both improve life on earth with 
  meditation and your own personal experiences with group meditation. As I 
  said recently, I always felt greater energy or silence or whatever in group 
  meditation than by myself. 
  
  But I feel I have to be realistic when the people who have administered the 
  group meditations behave like asses at best or total sociopaths at worst. 
  This, plus the continued normal crime rates that exist in communities like 
  Fairfield where there are meditation groups, means to me that there is no 
  effect of fantastic transformation that is attributed to group practice of 
  TM. I looked at some past FFL posts about the level of rapes that have 
  occurred in Fairfield since MIU was established there. And I mean 
  meditator/sidha/governor rape on other TM'ers. Personal and group practice 
  of
   TM may very well make us feel good, but it is incapable of making any 
  fabulous societal transformation. 
  
  I do not mean to be inflammatory by talking about MUM being sold out from 
  under you, but it is a logical conclusion to make. Even ignoring marshy's 
  behavior himself, if you look at the leadership of the Indian Movement, 
  in-fighting, Girish being accused of sexual misconduct, selling off 
  properties illegally, committing fraud to achieve the end of selling off 
  the properties, attempted murder. 
  
  Now if one can assume from eye-witness accounts of the kind of lifestyle 
  Girish leads, which from all accounts appears to be pretty lavish, why 
  would Girish want to sell of Indian TM Movement properties? Is he running 
  out of money? Does he have some mistresses he needs to buy some more silk 
  saris for? Who knows. But if he is willing to illegally sell of the Indian 
  properties, why not do the same thing with the US properties. The only 
  thing that has
   kept him from doing so is the fact that MUM has been a cash cow for the 
  Movement since the 1970's. 
  
  Girish has now made a play to become the new marshy, so he can be emperor 
  of all things TM. Fat Bevan, Raja Tony and their sycophants in the Movement 
  have opposed him. What do you think a fat greedy Indian mountebank will 
  feel and do when his desire to acquire more and better is thwarted? If he 
  is prevented from having all he desires by the American Movement, why not 
  get a passel of money by selling off the American properties and stick a 
  knife in the back of those who have thwarted him?
  
  It is not easy to find anymore on the Net, but there was a time when there 
  was plenty of info about the Maharishi Group online. Last time I looked, 
  the Maharishi Group was founded by Marshy, Girish and the Srivastavas 
  brothers AND the Maharishi Group owned all the property that MIU/MUM was 
  and is on - that included the buildings as well as the land. It would
   be a simple matter to check ownership records at the Jefferson County 
  Recorder's Office, which is in Fairfield since Fairfield is the county 
  seat.  Or one could do it online. Unless Girish and his buddies are put 
  in jail, have the Black Camel kneel at their opulent tent, to get paid of 
  somehow by Big Bevan and Company, the sale of MUM is inevitable. I bet Sri 
  Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his fingers in marshy's eyes.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this

2013-07-28 Thread sparaig
and the answer is...

Deed holder of the Men's Dome is MIU:

http://jefferson.iowaassessors.com/parcel.php?gid=9032


I can't see any reason to assume that anyone in India has any control over the 
deed holder, nor can I see any reason to believe that the Domes are about to be 
sold.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 its not about who controls on paper, its about whose name is on the deed of 
 ownership and read my post - it is self  explanatory 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't see 
 this
  
 
 
   
 
 I can't find any mention of who controls MUM outside of the Board of Trustees:
 
 http://www.mum.edu/RelId/628757/ISvars/default/Trustees.htm
 
 Why do you believe that MUM is about to be sold?
 
 L
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Correction: this sentence -  to get paid of somehow by Big Bevan and 
  Company, the sale of MUM is 
  inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
  fingers in marshy's eyes.
  
  was supposed to read:  OR get paid OFF somehow by Big Bevan and Company, 
  the sale of MUM is 
  inevitable. I bet Sri Sri will buy it as a final way of sticking his 
  fingers in marshy's eyes.
  
  
  
  
   From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA  doesn't 
  see this
  
  
  
    
  Look, I do understand you desire to both improve life on earth with 
  meditation and your own personal experiences with group meditation. As I 
  said recently, I always felt greater energy or silence or whatever in group 
  meditation than by myself. 
  
  But I feel I have to be realistic when the people who have administered the 
  group meditations behave like asses at best or total sociopaths at worst. 
  This, plus the continued normal crime rates that exist in communities like 
  Fairfield where there are meditation groups, means to me that there is no 
  effect of fantastic transformation that is attributed to group practice of 
  TM. I looked at some past FFL posts about the level of rapes that have 
  occurred in Fairfield since MIU was established there. And I mean 
  meditator/sidha/governor rape on other TM'ers. Personal and group practice 
  of
   TM may very well make us feel good, but it is incapable of making any 
  fabulous societal transformation. 
  
  I do not mean to be inflammatory by talking about MUM being sold out from 
  under you, but it is a logical conclusion to make. Even ignoring marshy's 
  behavior himself, if you look at the leadership of the Indian Movement, 
  in-fighting, Girish being accused of sexual misconduct, selling off 
  properties illegally, committing fraud to achieve the end of selling off 
  the properties, attempted murder. 
  
  Now if one can assume from eye-witness accounts of the kind of lifestyle 
  Girish leads, which from all accounts appears to be pretty lavish, why 
  would Girish want to sell of Indian TM Movement properties? Is he running 
  out of money? Does he have some mistresses he needs to buy some more silk 
  saris for? Who knows. But if he is willing to illegally sell of the Indian 
  properties, why not do the same thing with the US properties. The only 
  thing that has
   kept him from doing so is the fact that MUM has been a cash cow for the 
  Movement since the 1970's. 
  
  Girish has now made a play to become the new marshy, so he can be emperor 
  of all things TM. Fat Bevan, Raja Tony and their sycophants in the Movement 
  have opposed him. What do you think a fat greedy Indian mountebank will 
  feel and do when his desire to acquire more and better is thwarted? If he 
  is prevented from having all he desires by the American Movement, why not 
  get a passel of money by selling off the American properties and stick a 
  knife in the back of those who have thwarted him?
  
  It is not easy to find anymore on the Net, but there was a time when there 
  was plenty of info about the Maharishi Group online. Last time I looked, 
  the Maharishi Group was founded by Marshy, Girish and the Srivastavas 
  brothers AND the Maharishi Group owned all the property that MIU/MUM was 
  and is on - that included the buildings as well as the land. It would
   be a simple matter to check ownership records at the Jefferson County 
  Recorder's Office, which is in Fairfield since Fairfield is the county 
  seat.  Or one could do it online. Unless Girish and his buddies are put 
  in jail, have the Black Camel kneel at their opulent tent, to get paid of 
  somehow by Big Bevan and Company, the sale of MUM is inevitable. I bet Sri 
  Sri will buy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?

2013-07-27 Thread sparaig
There has been extensive research concerning that issue and no research has 
found any reason to think that people who got even the contaminated polio 
vaccine have a higher cancer rate than other people.

A few people, over the years, apparently have gotten polio from some of the 
early vaccines, but no-one has every gotten cancer.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Xeno, thanks again. I had polio vaccines and recently read that during the 
 time I got them, they were contaminated with something that is now shown to 
 cause cancer. More evidence that seeking good health is a crap shoot, karma 
 driven IMHO. And like you said before, though in different words, then one 
 gets mowed down by badly driven vehicle anyway! So I consider all the options 
 and make my choices. For example, back in 2000, people told me not to have my 
 gall bladder removed. Two physicians recommended it, one of them being an 
 ayurvedic doc. Plus I read about death from stones in common bile ducts. That 
 sealed the deal. I went ahead with the surgery and felt immensely better 
 afterwards. 
 
 
 Butting in to your post to Judy, Ann, Ravi: It is beautiful this morning. 
 Sunlight is filtering through the sugar maple in front of my townhouse, the 
 dapples on the venetian blinds like some shadow puppet show performed by 
 playful aliens. A breeze is jiggling the glass of an outside lamp making a 
 noise that should annoy me but doesn't. From west to east, fresh air is 
 filling my little abode. This is all the grandeur I need. And yes, it would 
 probably bore many to death. Yet this is the fullness of life that fills me 
 up over and over again. Best of all: I can't really tell if it's coming from 
 the inside or the outside. Gratitude big time. 
 
 
 
  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
  
 
 
   
 The scientific evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing 
 disease, and in fact epidemics, is very strong. A few people have adverse 
 reactions to some of the ingredients in vaccines, for example, eggs. 
 Occasionally these reactions are very damaging. On the whole though, the 
 anti-vaccination crowd has very little solid evidence to bolster their case 
 which seems to be largely an emotional issue with them.
 
 When a licensed physician is recommending some treatment that is out of the 
 mainstream of scientific knowledge, it pays to be very careful, and to do 
 some independent research on the subject. I think when a non physician 
 recommends something that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, 
 one ought be even more suspicious.
 
 Traditional medical systems have the pretense of authority because they have 
 been handed down for so long, but that does not in any way constitute 
 evidence of effectiveness, since it has been repeatedly shown that people are 
 strongly influenced by the placebo effect, and that non medical fake 
 treatments can produce substantial effects in people. So a treatment that has 
 been around for a long time is not necessarily any better than nothing. And 
 there are many treatments in modern medicine that have also not been 
 scientifically screened for effectiveness, particularly in the field of 
 surgery.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. 
  OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really 
  care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about 
  everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which 
  offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for 
  example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What 
  better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am 
  grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days 
  in a row.
  
  
  I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a 
  valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to 
  exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products.
  
  He pushes buttons on a big scale (-:
  
  
  
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
  
  
  
    
  
  
  Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar 
  obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high 
  amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at 
  which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern 
  diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet. 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from nothing

2013-07-27 Thread sparaig
Go for a nice walk, maybe even jog a bit to raise your breathing rate.

Fade that dye, dude!

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I just rolled around on the floor briefly, did a short pranayama and then 
 evening program,, now feel like something better than opiates, I feel a kind 
 of overwhelming satisfaction in every part of my body besides mentally 
 feeling no need for anything more either The only problem is getting 
 any other work done now... am I sour? hehe





[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

2013-07-27 Thread sparaig
Well, in the context of attempting to measure what is going on physiologically, 
I know of no research on the light body.

There's research on brain imaging of people who practice compassion meditation 
and research on their behavior as well as brain activity when presented with 
morally challenging situations, but that's still general physiological and 
behavioral studies...

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than 
  that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, 
  such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As 
  well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought 
  to be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and 
  most other forms of meditation have opposite effects.
  
  Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to 
  the same place, and group meditation involving more than one school of 
  meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the 
  theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the 
  current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of 
  other types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect 
  of their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups.
  
  L
 
 
 Om no that is not right.  It is only part of the picture.  They [the TM 
 researchers] are not looking at the activation of the light body that happens 
 in groups meditating.  That is different than looking at alpha waves in the 
 head.  Atman man in the body.  The heart.  TM'ers left to themselves pretty 
 obviously are cut off from their hearts in the mental field of their heads.  
 A field effect value of group meditation facilitates ensoulment of the light 
 body in the system.  Science is only just getting around to seeing the heart 
 subtle system that is the soul of the human spiritual life.  It is an amazing 
 thing to have a human life and sitting in group spiritual practice with other 
 illumined people is very much part of the territory for spiritual life.  Seek 
 out good spiritual company and sit with it.  Don't let silly things get in 
 the way of your meditation, group meditation and your own evolution like the 
 vile marketing of fear that TM is the only and best spiritual practice.  
 Spiritual evolution is way more than just TM.  Find a good group to meditate 
 with where so ever you are.
 Best Regards,
 -Buck
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with 
   people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This 
   practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that 
   many seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and 
   dissolve in the waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The 
   Unified Field] will commingle with the devotion and love of others. 
   Divine bliss will radiate from you, helping all persons you meet. 
   [Meissner Effect].
   
   �Paramahansa Yogananda
   
   

We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their 
conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates 
from them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are 
affected.

�Paramahansa Yogananda

 
 MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call 
 un-programmed] Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South.  
 They are group meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory 
 exchange of group magnetism as we would recognize now to be the 
 spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in groups.  
 
  
  Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally 
  important. Group meetings strengthen the individual 
  Self-realization that one has acquired in private at home.
  
  �Paramahansa Yogananda
   
   
   
�
 Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
 these parts. 
Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
 space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
� 

Well sadly, it is about proper values.
   
   
   Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people 
   at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, 
   these people's time should be so much better spent if only just 
   sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying 
   at:  http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
   Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
   -Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

2013-07-26 Thread sparaig
For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than 
that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, such 
as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As well, these 
two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to be associated 
with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most other forms of 
meditation have opposite effects.

Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the 
same place, and group meditation involving more than one school of meditation 
will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the theory that group 
meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the current physiological 
evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other types of meditation 
aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of their respective practices 
by getting together and practicing in groups.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with 
 people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This 
 practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that many 
 seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve in the 
 waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified Field] will 
 commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss will radiate 
 from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect].
 
 �Paramahansa Yogananda
 
 
  
  We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their 
  conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from 
  them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
  
  �Paramahansa Yogananda
  
   
   MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] 
   Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South.  They are group 
   meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group 
   magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect 
   [ME] of meditating in groups.  
   

Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally 
important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization 
that one has acquired in private at home.

�Paramahansa Yogananda
 
 
 
  �
   Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these 
   parts. 
  Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
   space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
  � 
  
  Well sadly, it is about proper values.
 
 
 Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at 
 reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, these 
 people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting 
 reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at:  
 http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
 Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
 -Buck 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   Great quote on group meditation, the invisible vibratory 
   exchange of group magnetism.  Yes certainly, the spirituality of 
   the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation 
   practice.
   
   
Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
aspirants as
   well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the 
   degree of
   Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
   invisible vibratory
   exchange of group magnetism.
   
��Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
   
   
   
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
mjackson74@ wrote:

 I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group 
 more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is 
 meditation mind you, not TMSP


Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time 
and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about 
meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their 
spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a 
movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they 
sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem 
determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it 
is.
-Buck 
 

 - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Power Struggle

2013-07-26 Thread sparaig
Assuming that this is true, then it makes for a more interesting balance of 
power with respect to the capital holdings back in india.

As far as the ladies' program goes, that's a whole other ballgame. Is Mother 
Divine independent of the Movement hierarchy that puts King Tony at the top? 
Seems like any and all organizations that teach TM, at least outside of India, 
are going to be licensed under the auspices of the Maharishi Foundation, which 
it sounds like King Tony is the head of.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 This may have been covered here. Here's what I was told:
 
  
 
 Nand Kishore, Girish, and Maharishi's niece Kirti tried to depose King Tony.
 Tony said let the Shankaracharya decide. So the 3 aforementioned and Bevan,
 their opponent in this tussle, went to the Shankaracharya, who reviewed the
 legal documents and heard their arguments. He sided with Bevan and upheld
 King Tony. But now there's this rift, and reportedly Girish is refusing to
 send more pundits to the US. 
 
  
 
 In other news, Mother Divine is starting their own autonomous movement, for
 the instruction of ladies. Not sure of the relationship between that and
 the regular movement, or whether the regular movement is happy about it. 
 
  
 
 Some internal squabbling going on, for sure.
 
  
 
 This is all 2nd hand and probably contains inaccuracies and leaves out a lot
 of juicy details.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Wheat, cheese etc, and autism!

2013-07-25 Thread sparaig
Er, study from 2007, though it apparently has been cited 81 times since then 
according to google scholar, which is a respectable number.

The consensus so far on autism and such things is that if a family has history 
of autism, inflammatory responses in the mother during pregnancy are going to 
increase chances that she will have an autistic child (the risk from flu 
vaccine is far lower than from getting the flu while pregnant, however) and 
that kids with autism tend to show worse symptoms when their brains are 
inflamed, for whatever reason.


So the moral is: don't do unhealthy things while pregnant, and don't feed your 
autistic kids things that make them sick.

L





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2007/09/27/autism-study.html
 
 Scientists make gut-brain connection to autism
 
 Compounds produced in the digestive system have been linked to autistic-type 
 behaviour in laboratory settings, potentially demonstrating that what 
 autistic children eat can alter their brain function, say scientists from the 
 University of Western Ontario.
 
 They announced their findings Thursday in Ottawa.





[FairfieldLife] Re: It's a boy

2013-07-23 Thread sparaig
I lived in the UK in 1978-1983. Early in my stay, I was the guest in someone's 
home and someone mentioned that the Queen would be visiting some local 
attraction and that they should go see her.

Her friend dryly responded, Oh yes, we should all go see the Queen, don't we 
all agree?

Everyone in the room nodded solemnly and then started discussing which move was 
worth watching instead.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  At the risk of offending our UK members I've never understood why anyone 
  gives a shit about the royal family.   Seems dated and out of fashion 
  to me but then we Americans were raised that having kings and queens was 
  not the way to go.  I mention this because I used to work with someone 
  from the UK and one day when a bunch of us were at lunch one of the guys 
  made a crack about the British Royal Family and it was meant with cold 
  silence from the guy from the UK.  Afterwards and out of earshot from 
  the UK guy the guy who made the crack said wow, they really take this 
  shit seriously.  Hard to imagine someone like salvy taking it 
  seriously.  Such special people are about on the level of the X-Men 
  fiction to the rest of us.
 
 Don't worry Bhairitu, you won't offend me. I think the royal
 family are a bunch of parasites, just who the fuck do they
 think they are with all this bow to me bullshit. 
 
 They are a bunch of hideous snobs that somehow get away with
 owning most of the country (and making a tax-free profit from
 it) just because their ancestors stole it from us and made us
 all serfs. And they're all German anyway.
 
 Weird thing is, I don't personally know a single person who
 cares about them. They seem to exist purely as a tourist attraction
 for rich Americans. And something for the government to claim
 should make us proud to be British, they've sold everything else
 to foreign companies you see, the flag is all we've got left
 
 
 
  On 07/22/2013 02:18 PM, John wrote:
   Share,
  
   Thanks for the heads up.  According to the birth time given, he is a 
   Libra ascendant with the Moon in the nakshatra of Uttara Shaddha.
  
   He was born to rule as a royalty since the Sun is placed in the 10th 
   house.  He will also be accomplished in the Arts since Venus is placed in 
   11th house from Saturn, or that his future wife will bring good luck in 
   his work.
  
   Prince William will further benefit from this new born child since the 
   Sun, representing him, are surrounded by benefic planets.  He should gain 
   much political advantage and success in his endeavors from this birth.
  
   Kate will gain as well since the Moon is being aspected by the Sun, 
   signifying the splendor of the father and royalty.  In addition, she may 
   have two more male children.
  
   Since Rahu represents the grandfather, Prince Charles will soon be 
   crowned as king since the Sun is placed in the 10th house.
  
   JR
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   John, Moon in Capricorn! I bet he marries an older woman just like his 
   father did.
  
  
  
  
   
 From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:41 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] It's a boy
 
  
  
   �
   The Duchess of Cambridge has given birth to the future
   King of England. His name will be announced soon.
  
  
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Come to Fairfield Life, have an NBE experience

2013-07-23 Thread sparaig
Do the teeth shine brightly in the moonlight, or not?


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I pretty sure your roommates' daughter has stopped playing with her poo, if 
  she ever did. You, on the other hand, seems endlessly delighted with your 
  own. Please wash your hands frequently. Thanks.
 
 
 Still people find it surprising that Maharishi found this to be a stinking, 
 horrible place ?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi talks of his first sight of Guru Dev – transcript

2013-07-23 Thread sparaig

Well, there's a certain element of truth there, insomuch as for MMY, real 
Hinduism, and enlightenment, are inseparable.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 ...his own fanatic Hindu agenda...??
 
 Wow. We clearly live in two different worlds, you and me.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  what a crock of shit - the spread of TM was something that marshy 
  invented because his gravy train was dead and watching TM success? Yep that 
  must have been great for him, as the wealth continued to flow and he put 
  forth his own fanatic Hindu agenda, never mind the financial, mental and 
  emotional casualties. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:15 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi talks of his first sight of Guru Dev 
  �� transcript
   
  
  
    
  Interesting that the spread of TM could not happen until after Guru Dev's 
  passing, because none of his disciples could leave him. What a life that 
  must have been, for Maharishi, to initiate, and then watch the spread of 
  this technique, and its unbelievable success, all from the knowledge of his 
  teacher. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
  
   
   From: Purusha in Himalaya donotreply@
   
   New post on Purusha in Himalaya
   
   
   Maharishi talks of his first sight of Guru Dev �� transcript
   by Andrew Lawson Kerr
   
   
   I found Guru Dev by the grace of God and by my desire to find him. In 
   India, it's a very normal thing for a child to think of God and to find 
   Him and converse with Him. God-realization is a very concrete experience 
   in the Indian air, and this instills in every Indian heart a desire to 
   find a way and to seek a good guide to help them reach the goal.
   
   This situation was true in my case in the early days. One day I was led 
   by those, who knew I was fond of meeting saints, to a house somewhere in 
   the forest, and then I was led up some stairs to a terrace. It so 
   happened that this was a very dark night and I could barely see a chair 
   with a few people sitting around it, all quiet. The silence there was so 
   great that one felt hesitant to even breathe properly, because breath was 
   felt so horribly in that atmosphere. As I came close to the chair a car 
   came down a nearby road, and its highlights lit up the porch for a 
   moment. Then I saw Guru Dev and I thought: Here is the sun This was the 
   flashing moment of light, which decided my destiny.
   
   I somehow was able to speak with him. He asked me about everything I was 
   doing, and when he heard I was student he said: First finish your 
   studies. There was nothing to argue about or discuss.
   
   By the time I had finished my studies, he had become Shankaracharya in 
   Jyotir Math. I was told that many people were going to that place and I 
   went there and found Guru Dev, and then I stayed.
   
   This devotion to Guru Dev, devotion to one's Master, when you will go in 
   detail of the Vedic tradition, to which we belong, it seems it has been 
   of just this series of instances, where the disciple surrendered and got 
   enlightened through surrender. And such surrender is not a thing on the 
   thinking level or manipulation, no, it's a very genuine, innocent, 
   abstract yet very concrete contact with the reality. The history of this 
   tradition is full of these values of surrender to the Master and this is 
   what sustains knowledge generation after generation
   
   The great impact of Guru Dev in his lifetime is in bringing out so 
   clearly and in such simple worlds this technique of TM and his blessing 
   for this Movement, which came out much after he left his body, because 
   there was no occasion during his lifetime for any of his intimate blessed 
   disciples to go out of his presence. That's why any such Movement to 
   bless the world could not have started during his time.
   
   He was so divine, he was so sublime.  It was not possible to think of one 
   day away from him. It was just not possible.
   
   So his expression, his teachings, made the whole possibility of everyone 
   to get onto this blessed state of unity through a scientific procedure, 
   systematic procedure, because the truth is that not many people are at 
   any time in any age in a position to follow this spontaneous and innocent 
   path of surrender and get enlightenment. It is just not practical. It is 
   not possible. And therefore a system, a procedure, a method, something 
   very tangible, concrete yet based on the same spontaneous impulse of life 
   which makes one surrender to his master-same spontaneous impulse of life. 
   We just get sold out to something so sublime and so divine, same impulse 
   takes the mind to the transcendent and getting 

[FairfieldLife] Re: You can't handle the false either.

2013-07-21 Thread sparaig
There are physiological indicators of CC, or so Fred Travis claims.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Question:  Can you prove that you're not enlightened?
 
 No. And it would be absurd for anyone to try (even if
 they were enlightened).
 
  Funny how at FFL even at the least hint from someone that
  they are enlightened and WHAM! there's a oh-no-you're-not-
  you-toad response from ALMOST EVERYONE HERE. Some are
  harsh, some are gentle, but all are initially dubious.  
 
 Please exclude me. I also think it's absurd to try to
 determine whether someone else is enlightened.
 
 
 
  And it's understandable, cuz, natch, the whole world is a lie.
  
  But my point is, that maybe there's gold to be mined in our examination of 
  the opposing assertion that ALMOST EVERYONE HERE MAKES WITH HIGH CERTAINTY: 
   we insist that we are not enlightened.
  
  Well, BULLSHIT!  If you can't prove enlightenment, you can't prove 
  un-enlightenment. 
  
  Your default status:  you're in bliss until proven otherwise.  
  
  Go ahead, make my day, punk, try to prove you're not enlightened, not a 
  saint, not fulfilling the divine plan to the dotted i and crossed t, and 
  I'll try my best to prove you wrong. 
  
  Edg
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: More than Meditating U need to Fly

2013-07-20 Thread sparaig
And the URL to go to is...?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 Calling all applicants for the new Settle Grant.
 
 Urgent  
 
 The Howard and Alice Settle Foundation would like to kindly request all 
 applicants for the new grant to fill out a new survey.  This one is really 
 not so much a survey as a questionnaire giving you the opportunity to 
 understand and accept the new grant requirements which have now been decided 
 upon.  Please go to:





[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
I meant enlightenment as defined by the physiological changes brought about 
by the long-term practice of TM as opposed to enlightenment defined by the 
physiological changes brought about by the long-term practice of other 
techniques, such as mindfulness.

There's several fundamental differences in how teh nervous system behaves in 
long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of mindfulness, and most other 
forms of meditation.

Specifically: most other forms of meditation depress the activity of the parts 
of the brain thought to be responsible for sense of self.

TM enhances those same parts of the brain.

Most other forms of meditation serve to decouple various parts of the brain 
from each other, making them less and less in-synch as time goes on.

TM has exactly the opposite effect.


L



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I think spare means TM-style enlightenment, because Maharishi was the first 
 to symptomize the increasing maturity of the nervous system, leading to 
 greater and greater freedom. He attempted to demystify it. 
 
 So yeah, liberation is liberation, though it helps to keep the relative 
 stages in mind, to differentiate, for example, between the intermediate stage 
 of freedom, CC, and the Advanced/Intermediate stage of freedom, UC. 
 
 Maharishi always implied that CC, GC and UC are the ingredients, with BC 
 being the resulting Smoothie - lol!
 
 The t'ing is, as you know (ha-ha!), all of this makes no difference until it 
 can be directly tied with experience. Then, it makes perfect sense. Though it 
 may not be experienced as linear, it is easy to follow Maharishi's 
 progression, as he taught it, from CC to GC to UC, integrating greater 
 silence into activity, and then the Buddha on the road gets offed, so to 
 speak. 
 
 The tricky bit is, prior to these experiences, and the establishment of what 
 I will call, The Smoothie, each stage of consciousness is one more thing 
 for the ego to watch and wait for, and attempt to own.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  LOL! TM-style englightenment? That's one for the books. As 
  differentiated from all other moksha? Come now, the TM technique is 
  nothing more than common beej aksharas long used in vedic astrology and 
  ayurveda as well as probably a few obscure yoga traditions. The advanced 
  technique has more in common with mantras given to the masses (as 
  opposed to disciples of a tradition).
  
  Also any real study might want to differentiate between long term 
  meditators who never got the advanced technique and those that did. That 
  wasn't mentioned in the study. Basically you have researches who 
  probably don't know much about yoga at all: blind men describing an 
  elephant.
  
  The topic was enlightenment in general and not TM-style enlightenment 
  of which there is no such thing. Enlightenment is enlightenment.
  
  On 07/17/2013 01:49 PM, sparaig wrote:
   The topic is TM-style enlightenment, and while you have a point about 
   parroting, the first report of enlightened TMers was from a psychologist 
   reporting about 6 of his patients, TMers all, who were complaining of a 
   permanent depersonalization with no issues other than intellectual 
   confusion as to why their I was completely uninvolved with thinking, 
   feeling, acting, remembering, etc.
  
   The report prompted the DMS-IV to add a spiritual/religious exception to 
   the diagnosis of depersonalization disorder.
  
   The fact that the patients had forgotten, or didn't make the connection, 
   between their state and the CC state in TM theory, suggests that it is a 
   natural progression due to TM practice, rather than expectations.
  
   A more recent study looked at non-TMers who happened to be world 
   champion/national champion athletes (compete at the national level and 
   consistently score in teh top 10) vs non-champion athletes at the same 
   level (compete in the same competitions but never break the 50% mark) and 
   found that the champions tended to score midway between teh short-term 
   TMers and the enlightened TMers on both their EEG and their descriptions 
   of self.
  
   This also supports the theory that the TM-style enlightenment is a 
   natural thing, leading to similar descriptions of the state, regardless 
   of your spiritual background (none of the athletes did TM or other 
   meditation techniques).
  
   L
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
   And where's the group that practiced other meditation programs? Also TM
   people start sounding like parrots of stuff they learned from SCI,
   rounding courses, etc. They can't seem to put their experiences in their
   own words.
  
   On 07/16/2013 11:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
   People respond to the interview question Describe your self, in 
   different ways, depending on the physiological state of their nervous 
   system.
  
   Researchers

[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
Well, thing is, is TM-style enlightenment the same as enlightenment defined 
by some other tradition, or not?

There are plenty of physiological states that can lead to teh same general 
description. The fact that two different states can be described the same way 
make them the same in some mystical sense, or is it merely an accident of 
language and culture that they are both considered enlightenment?

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Ok, but it is incorrect to refer to those two different expressions of the 
 physiology, as two different types of enlightenment. 
 
 Once liberation is achieved, it is exactly the same, no matter what the 
 means. The eternal freedom achieved through the practice of TM, is identical 
 to that achieved through any other means. If it isn't, it isn't Moksha.
 
 TM is a very reliable means to clean up the body and mind. However, there are 
 no precursors to enlightenment. It results when we are somehow permanently 
 attuned to, and living, the Grace of life. How we get there is a mystery that 
 reveals itself, once we are established in  total freedom.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  I meant enlightenment as defined by the physiological changes brought 
  about by the long-term practice of TM as opposed to enlightenment defined 
  by the physiological changes brought about by the long-term practice of 
  other techniques, such as mindfulness.
  
  There's several fundamental differences in how teh nervous system behaves 
  in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of mindfulness, and most 
  other forms of meditation.
  
  Specifically: most other forms of meditation depress the activity of the 
  parts of the brain thought to be responsible for sense of self.
  
  TM enhances those same parts of the brain.
  
  Most other forms of meditation serve to decouple various parts of the brain 
  from each other, making them less and less in-synch as time goes on.
  
  TM has exactly the opposite effect.
  
  
  L
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I think spare means TM-style enlightenment, because Maharishi was the 
   first to symptomize the increasing maturity of the nervous system, 
   leading to greater and greater freedom. He attempted to demystify it. 
   
   So yeah, liberation is liberation, though it helps to keep the relative 
   stages in mind, to differentiate, for example, between the intermediate 
   stage of freedom, CC, and the Advanced/Intermediate stage of freedom, UC. 
   
   Maharishi always implied that CC, GC and UC are the ingredients, with BC 
   being the resulting Smoothie - lol!
   
   The t'ing is, as you know (ha-ha!), all of this makes no difference until 
   it can be directly tied with experience. Then, it makes perfect sense. 
   Though it may not be experienced as linear, it is easy to follow 
   Maharishi's progression, as he taught it, from CC to GC to UC, 
   integrating greater silence into activity, and then the Buddha on the 
   road gets offed, so to speak. 
   
   The tricky bit is, prior to these experiences, and the establishment of 
   what I will call, The Smoothie, each stage of consciousness is one more 
   thing for the ego to watch and wait for, and attempt to own.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
   
LOL! TM-style englightenment? That's one for the books. As 
differentiated from all other moksha? Come now, the TM technique is 
nothing more than common beej aksharas long used in vedic astrology and 
ayurveda as well as probably a few obscure yoga traditions. The 
advanced 
technique has more in common with mantras given to the masses (as 
opposed to disciples of a tradition).

Also any real study might want to differentiate between long term 
meditators who never got the advanced technique and those that did. 
That 
wasn't mentioned in the study. Basically you have researches who 
probably don't know much about yoga at all: blind men describing an 
elephant.

The topic was enlightenment in general and not TM-style enlightenment 
of which there is no such thing. Enlightenment is enlightenment.

On 07/17/2013 01:49 PM, sparaig wrote:
 The topic is TM-style enlightenment, and while you have a point about 
 parroting, the first report of enlightened TMers was from a 
 psychologist reporting about 6 of his patients, TMers all, who were 
 complaining of a permanent depersonalization with no issues other 
 than intellectual confusion as to why their I was completely 
 uninvolved with thinking, feeling, acting, remembering, etc.

 The report prompted the DMS-IV to add a spiritual/religious exception 
 to the diagnosis of depersonalization disorder.

 The fact that the patients had forgotten, or didn't make the 
 connection, between

[FairfieldLife] Re: New T.M. articles you may have seen

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig

It IS ranked as having 5-star hotel accommodations at the high-end, so yes, it 
is very ludicrously over-priced.

The rich don't shop at poor stores...

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 I see that the building accords with Sthapatya Veda - the ancient Vedic
 architecture recommended by Maharishi.
 I didn't even bother checking the cost of their treatments - I'm
 assuming it's ludicrously over-priced.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  that's because they are smart enough to not be publicly associated
 with an outfit like TM, but not smart enough to find another meditation
 to do
 
 
 
 
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:20 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New T.M. articles you may have seen
 
 
 
  �
  The Raj! The word usually refers to the period of British rule in
 India. Maharishi deeply resented being reminded of it - hence his
 description of the UK as the scorpion nation. What a strange choice of
 � name to give to the Maharishi Ayur-Veda medical Center.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
 
  Some of you may have heard that Jim Carrey visited The Raj for a few
 days and meditated in the Men's Dome. It came as a surprise to most of
 us. Other actors have come for treatment at The Raj, but you never hear
 about them. It's a well-kept secret :-)
  
 





[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Well my problem was that having been a TM teacher and I think you were 
 too, I *never* heard the term TM Style Enlightenment.  That's 
 something Lawson made up and we know Lawson was *not* a TM teacher.  And 
 I think he made it up to support his argument.  Lawson, please don't do 
 that.  You're smart guy and shouldn't need to do such things.
 

I made up the term because, using MMY's argument that different states of 
consciousness are based on different styles of physiological functioning of the 
nervous system, there are rather obvious differences in how the brain functions 
in long-term TMers as opposed to long-term Buddhist monks, and apparently 
practitioners of other spiritual disciplines tend to look more like the 
Buddhist monks than like TMers.

Concentrative and mindfulness techniques tend to have the same general effect, 
no matter what tradition one claims to be in.

Mind you, I always expected samatha practices to end up looking more TM-like, 
given how they are described, but the devil is in the details of how they are 
taught:

the map isn't the territory. Description isn't prescription, as Judy likes to 
say.

 I've always found that the different levels as MMY defined them just 
 seems to confuse TM'ers and it's sort of irrelevant anyway. Once a 
 meditator (regardless of the technique) notices they still are 
 experiencing the transcendent coming out of meditation and carrying 
 through activity then they are on the road to moksha which is how many 
 other paths define it.

But Buddhists don't usually use moksha that I have seen, and in fact, I am 
assured that any technique that actually strengthens sense of self as TM 
does, is, by definition, illusory, so can't possibly lead to true liberation.


You can call moksha enlightenment if you want 
 but the word enlightenment carries a lot of implications to westerners 
 that the abstract Sanskit term moksha does not.  It's a growing state 
 which was what MMY was saying and other teachers say.  In fact I would 
 submit there are TM'ers who are in CC but so confused because they are 
 looking for something flashier (I guess celestial visions) rather than 
 just an underlying silence or that experience that you don't exist 
 unless called upon to localize awareness.

I've never been confused about CC as far as I can tell. MMY seems to have 
explained the characteristics of CC reasonably well, and automatically set 
people up to have lowered expectations by calling it merely normal, as well 
as referring to it as the greatest degree of ignorance where separation of Self 
and the rest of reality was at its greatest.

 
 The problem with carrying on research between different schools is that 
 many of  the more traditional schools don't give a damn about research.  


Yeah, that Dalai Lama, he's so indifferent to scientific research...


 They just make their techniques available and if it works for the 
 student fine and if it doesn't feel free to move on to something else.  
 And no need to validate by research.  If there is any difference between 
 TM and other techniques it would be because of the lack of omkara which 
 would most likely produce a different brain activation pattern than a 
 technique without.  But that's only a difference and different mantras 
 too should produce different patterns.

You're assuming a great deal about what EEG and brain imaging can show, I 
think, that goes well beyond our current technology.

There's a few more advanced papers I have seen recently, that my reveal lots of 
interesting things, and there's The Human Connectome project meant to map in 
detail how the various parts of the brain interact with each other, but that's 
just getting started.


L


 
 On 07/18/2013 05:47 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:
  Ok, but it is incorrect to refer to those two different expressions of the 
  physiology, as two different types of enlightenment.
 
  Once liberation is achieved, it is exactly the same, no matter what the 
  means. The eternal freedom achieved through the practice of TM, is 
  identical to that achieved through any other means. If it isn't, it isn't 
  Moksha.
 
  TM is a very reliable means to clean up the body and mind. However, there 
  are no precursors to enlightenment. It results when we are somehow 
  permanently attuned to, and living, the Grace of life. How we get there is 
  a mystery that reveals itself, once we are established in  total freedom.
 
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's postmortem state

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
Tony abu-Nader (Raja RamRaj) merely said that MMY was with teh angels and they 
are thrilled to see what he accomplished.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 At the time of Maharishi dropping the body did the TMO give any
 indication of what would happen to him? Is there an official view on the
 matter?
 Maharishi would be absorbed into the Self - entering nirvana like the
 Buddha?Maharishi would be reborn into one of the higher celestial
 realms?Maharishi would reincarnate as a spiritual master?Maharishi is
 being channeled by Tony Nader?
 I'm assuming there were no dark mutterings about Asuras and Rakshasas





[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
I don't know about expensive. Last I heard, the Advanced Techniques cost the 
same as the basic TM technique, and I haven't heard of any discount offered for 
financial hardship.

Most people have the wrong idea about Advanced Techniques anyway, I think. They 
are said to actually slow down the process of transcending which is a 
contradiction in most people's eyes.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
  I thought you had to do a couple of (expensive) advanced techniques
  before they'd let you into the hopping room to learn sidhas. Am I wrong
  about that? 
 
 1) Advanced Techniques are not required to learn the TM Sidhi Programme.
 2) If you choose to learn Advanced Techniques you will find that they are not 
 at all expensive.





[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
Not everyone hops right off the bat. And while hopping may seem special to 
people who aren't hopping, and may seem special to some who are, I've never 
found it to be anything more than fun, with a side-helping of hopeful 
expectation about spiritual growth.

People DID notice radical changes in my character for the better after I came 
back from the 8-weeks course, but it WAS an 8-week rounding course at that time.

And of course, my life got progressively more crazy over the next 29 years, so 
I don't know that its been a good thing or not to have learned them, even now.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 Re Advanced Techniques are not required to learn the TM-Sidhi
 Programme: trying to remember where I read about the insistence on
 advanced techniques first . . .
 I've heard about people - including TM teachers - who took the TM-Sidhi
 programme - but weren't actually able to hop. It must really make you
 feel a total failure when everyone else in your group are jumping around
 and laughing and you can only report a failure to launch. Rather like
 having limp dick in the sack.
 Did you come across people in that situation on the courses you took? If
 so, did they get a refund?!?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
  
   I thought you had to do a couple of (expensive) advanced techniques
   before they'd let you into the hopping room to learn sidhas. Am I
 wrong
   about that?
 
  1) Advanced Techniques are not required to learn the TM Sidhi
 Programme.
  2) If you choose to learn Advanced Techniques you will find that they
 are not at all expensive.
 





[FairfieldLife] The Smoothie [was Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...]

2013-07-18 Thread sparaig
Different groups claim sahaja for themselves. It is hard to tell which group 
is doing what when the term sahaja yoga or sahaja meditation is used.

http://www.amaye.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/med-connectivity-EEG-tomog.pdf
Reduced functional connectivity between cortical sources in ␣ve meditation 
traditions detected with lagged coherence using EEG tomography

It is difficult to be absolutely certain that TM yields different results than 
the above because, for some reason, the authors chose not to include TMers in 
the study, despite citing references from Fred Travis contradicting their 
findings that they then proceed to imply apply to TM without doing any research 
on it sigh.

But all research that I have seen suggests that the above findings don't apply 
to TMers. Whether or not shaha yoga mentioned in the paper refers to SSRS's 
meditation classes or not, I don't know but if it does, this implies that 
Sahaja Yoga as taught by SSRS and TM may have different effects.

Or, perhaps all the TM research is wrong.


L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:


 SSRS (whose sahaj meditation technique is the same) pointed out that all
 these bija mantras coalesce into omkara at the finest level of
 experience. He did, in fact, give me omkara with a mahamantra.
 
\





[FairfieldLife] Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...

2013-07-17 Thread sparaig
People respond to the interview question Describe your self, in different 
ways, depending on the physiological state of their nervous system.

Researchers on the effects of Transcendental Meditation asked for people who 
had been practicing TM who were reporting a certain kind of experience -- 
[pure 
consciousness](http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf) 
-- as a permanent trait outside of meditation practice, to respond to that 
question, and correlated their answers with physiological measures.

They did the same with 2 other groups of people, people who had never learned 
TM but wanted to, and people who had been practicing TM for several years, but 
didn't report permanent pure consciousness outside of meditation or very 
frequently during.

Researchers than correlated the answers to the question with the physiological 
measures, and established a Brain Integration Scale, with the 
[psychological](http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf)
  and 
[physiological](http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf)
  measurements of the first group clustered to the right, and the 
psychological/physiological responses of the no-meditation group to the left. 
The non-enlightened meditators tended to be less experienced than the 
right-most group, and clustered their responses/EEG in the middle. 

The responses to the question were roughly in three categories, ranging from 
very object referral to very abstract self referral:

.

**Non-TM Group: Self is identified with thoughts, feelings, and actions**

N1: I guess I'm open to new experiences, and I tend to appreciate those things 
that are different 

N2: I kind of like to forge my own way 

N3: I am open to change and new ideas. . . I'm an adventuress. I like to go 
out. . .and experiment with new ideas

N4: I tend to appreciate those things that are different, even in my style of 
dress. I like something usually because its odd or strange or something that 
other people absolutely wouldnÕt wear 

N5: I'm happy, caring, helpful, I like people who like to help other people; I 
hate seeing anyone in trouble

.

**Short-Term group: Self is the director of thoughts, feelings, and actions**

S1: I'm my own awareness. My ability to perceive and be aware. I'm my own 
potential, my own power, 

S2: I'm my own capabilities; my ability to learn; my ability to do things. . . 
in it's essential natureâ€my ability to act

S3: There are many different levels to who I am. I'm a sister, a daughter, a 
friend, an athlete, a nature lover, a seeker of the truth. I'm a very spiritual 
person. I believe that I can do and accomplish anything that I set my mind to 

S4: I am a little bit more silent, more reserved, and thoughtful than most, 
with a deep desire to just succeed in all activities and at the same time to 
develop spiritually very quickly

S5: Who I am is who I am inside. How I think. What I believe. How I feel. How I 
react

.

**Long-term Group: Self is independent of and underlying thoughts, feelings, 
and actions**

L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies 
. . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's 
immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this 
physical environment 

L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel 
underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just 
doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person 
that moves around here and there


L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in 
the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and 
these are my Self 

L3: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the 
universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely 
delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes 
see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am 
able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I 
see, feel and think 

L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so 
pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same 
‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows 
right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the 
‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for 
you and me

.

.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 This is the crux of what enlightenment is about.  Those who are 
 experiencing it don't experience localized awareness unless it is 
 demanded (like a bill or tax collector comes knocking).  The experience 
 is like you don't exist.
 
 On 07/16/2013 10:17 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...

2013-07-17 Thread sparaig
The topic is TM-style enlightenment, and while you have a point about 
parroting, the first report of enlightened TMers was from a psychologist 
reporting about 6 of his patients, TMers all, who were complaining of a 
permanent depersonalization with no issues other than intellectual confusion as 
to why their I was completely uninvolved with thinking, feeling, acting, 
remembering, etc.

The report prompted the DMS-IV to add a spiritual/religious exception to the 
diagnosis of depersonalization disorder.

The fact that the patients had forgotten, or didn't make the connection, 
between their state and the CC state in TM theory, suggests that it is a 
natural progression due to TM practice, rather than expectations.

A more recent study looked at non-TMers who happened to be world 
champion/national champion athletes (compete at the national level and 
consistently score in teh top 10) vs non-champion athletes at the same level 
(compete in the same competitions but never break the 50% mark) and found that 
the champions tended to score midway between teh short-term TMers and the 
enlightened TMers on both their EEG and their descriptions of self.

This also supports the theory that the TM-style enlightenment is a natural 
thing, leading to similar descriptions of the state, regardless of your 
spiritual background (none of the athletes did TM or other meditation 
techniques).

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 And where's the group that practiced other meditation programs? Also TM 
 people start sounding like parrots of stuff they learned from SCI, 
 rounding courses, etc. They can't seem to put their experiences in their 
 own words.
 
 On 07/16/2013 11:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
  People respond to the interview question Describe your self, in different 
  ways, depending on the physiological state of their nervous system.
 
  Researchers on the effects of Transcendental Meditation asked for people 
  who had been practicing TM who were reporting a certain kind of experience 
  -- [pure 
  consciousness](http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf)
   -- as a permanent trait outside of meditation practice, to respond to that 
  question, and correlated their answers with physiological measures.
 
  They did the same with 2 other groups of people, people who had never 
  learned TM but wanted to, and people who had been practicing TM for several 
  years, but didn't report permanent pure consciousness outside of meditation 
  or very frequently during.
 
  Researchers than correlated the answers to the question with the 
  physiological measures, and established a Brain Integration Scale, with 
  the 
  [psychological](http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf)
and 
  [physiological](http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf)
measurements of the first group clustered to the right, and the 
  psychological/physiological responses of the no-meditation group to the 
  left. The non-enlightened meditators tended to be less experienced than 
  the right-most group, and clustered their responses/EEG in the middle.
 
  The responses to the question were roughly in three categories, ranging 
  from very object referral to very abstract self referral:
 
  .
 
  **Non-TM Group: Self is identified with thoughts, feelings, and actions**
 
  N1: I guess I'm open to new experiences, and I tend to appreciate those 
  things that are different
 
  N2: I kind of like to forge my own way
 
  N3: I am open to change and new ideas. . . I'm an adventuress. I like to go 
  out. . .and experiment with new ideas
 
  N4: I tend to appreciate those things that are different, even in my style 
  of dress. I like something usually because its odd or strange or something 
  that other people absolutely wouldnÕt wear
 
  N5: I'm happy, caring, helpful, I like people who like to help other 
  people; I hate seeing anyone in trouble
 
  .
 
  **Short-Term group: Self is the director of thoughts, feelings, and 
  actions**
 
  S1: I'm my own awareness. My ability to perceive and be aware. I'm my own 
  potential, my own power,
 
  S2: I'm my own capabilities; my ability to learn; my ability to do things. 
  . . in it's essential nature��my ability to act
 
  S3: There are many different levels to who I am. I'm a sister, a daughter, 
  a friend, an athlete, a nature lover, a seeker of the truth. I'm a very 
  spiritual person. I believe that I can do and accomplish anything that I 
  set my mind to
 
  S4: I am a little bit more silent, more reserved, and thoughtful than most, 
  with a deep desire to just succeed in all activities and at the same time 
  to develop spiritually very quickly
 
  S5: Who I am is who I am inside. How I think. What I believe. How I feel. 
  How I react
 
  .
 
  **Long-term Group: Self is independent of and underlying thoughts, 
  feelings

[FairfieldLife] Re: I create my reality Yeah, right...

2013-07-17 Thread sparaig
TM's long-term effects are radically different than those from any published 
research on mindfulness or samatha or other mantra meditation studies.

Specifically, the simple, beginning EEG pattern of relaxed alpha that shows up 
in any short-term eyes-closed meditation study starts to change as time goes on 
in OTHER forms of meditation, but not with TM.

Really long-term (40-50 year) TMers show the same relaxed alpha EEG of really 
short term TMers, though perhaps a bit more enhanced.

Really long-term meditators using other practices, show less and less of the 
Alpha EEG signature and more and more of other EEG frequencies, both during and 
outside of meditation, the longer you practice them.

There are only a few brain imaging studies on TM, but the same situation 
appears to hold:

TMers show stronger activity in the parts of the brain having to do with sense 
of self.

Brain imaging on practitioners of other meditation techniques show a reduction 
in the activity of the brain having to do with sense of self.

The physiological correlates of enlightenment, TM-style, still retains some 
sense of self, even in long-term practitioners. The physiological correlates 
of long-term practice of other forms of meditation, fits in perfectly with 
Buddhist theories that say that self doesn't exist.

The I doesn't expand to infinity via the long-term practice of most forms of 
meditation: it is simply eliminated.


L



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 LOL! TM-style englightenment? That's one for the books. As 
 differentiated from all other moksha? Come now, the TM technique is 
 nothing more than common beej aksharas long used in vedic astrology and 
 ayurveda as well as probably a few obscure yoga traditions. The advanced 
 technique has more in common with mantras given to the masses (as 
 opposed to disciples of a tradition).
 
 Also any real study might want to differentiate between long term 
 meditators who never got the advanced technique and those that did. That 
 wasn't mentioned in the study. Basically you have researches who 
 probably don't know much about yoga at all: blind men describing an 
 elephant.
 
 The topic was enlightenment in general and not TM-style enlightenment 
 of which there is no such thing. Enlightenment is enlightenment.
 
 On 07/17/2013 01:49 PM, sparaig wrote:
  The topic is TM-style enlightenment, and while you have a point about 
  parroting, the first report of enlightened TMers was from a psychologist 
  reporting about 6 of his patients, TMers all, who were complaining of a 
  permanent depersonalization with no issues other than intellectual 
  confusion as to why their I was completely uninvolved with thinking, 
  feeling, acting, remembering, etc.
 
  The report prompted the DMS-IV to add a spiritual/religious exception to 
  the diagnosis of depersonalization disorder.
 
  The fact that the patients had forgotten, or didn't make the connection, 
  between their state and the CC state in TM theory, suggests that it is a 
  natural progression due to TM practice, rather than expectations.
 
  A more recent study looked at non-TMers who happened to be world 
  champion/national champion athletes (compete at the national level and 
  consistently score in teh top 10) vs non-champion athletes at the same 
  level (compete in the same competitions but never break the 50% mark) and 
  found that the champions tended to score midway between teh short-term 
  TMers and the enlightened TMers on both their EEG and their descriptions of 
  self.
 
  This also supports the theory that the TM-style enlightenment is a natural 
  thing, leading to similar descriptions of the state, regardless of your 
  spiritual background (none of the athletes did TM or other meditation 
  techniques).
 
  L
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  And where's the group that practiced other meditation programs? Also TM
  people start sounding like parrots of stuff they learned from SCI,
  rounding courses, etc. They can't seem to put their experiences in their
  own words.
 
  On 07/16/2013 11:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
  People respond to the interview question Describe your self, in 
  different ways, depending on the physiological state of their nervous 
  system.
 
  Researchers on the effects of Transcendental Meditation asked for people 
  who had been practicing TM who were reporting a certain kind of 
  experience -- [pure 
  consciousness](http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf)
   -- as a permanent trait outside of meditation practice, to respond to 
  that question, and correlated their answers with physiological measures.
 
  They did the same with 2 other groups of people, people who had never 
  learned TM but wanted to, and people who had been practicing TM for 
  several years, but didn't report permanent pure consciousness outside of 
  meditation or very frequently during.
 
  Researchers than

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to improve TM practice - a heretic's guide

2013-07-17 Thread sparaig
It is always possible that MMY didn't answer certain questions because he 
didn't know the answers. It is also possible that MMY didn't answer certain 
questions because he wanted TMers, including TM teachers, to discover the 
answer for themselves in the context of their own culture and religion.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 I would suggest looking up Muktananda online.  You can find both sites 
 pro and con.  Back in the late 70s a number of TMers including teachers 
 read his conversations books because he answered questions that MMY 
 wouldn't.
 
 There are a number of gurus accused of sexual impropriety including 
 MMY.  The problem of deciding to be a holy man and then later deciding 
 that was a mistake.  Better to be a tantric which is mainly a 
 householder path.
 
 I don't keep track of shaktipat groups.  If you go through the FFL 
 archives you'll find folks discussing other groups.
 
 People in the arts tend to have heightened spiritual experiences. The 
 arts culture it.  There was even news last week of a study that showed 
 group singing was as good as practicing yoga.
 
 On 07/16/2013 05:04 PM, Seraphita wrote:
  Thanks yet again. Taking on board what you say about shaktipat and
  book-learning, which of Muktananda's books would you recommend if I just
  wanted to learn about the man and his trajectory? And, with apologies
  for lowering the tone of the conversation, what did you make of the
  accusations of sexual impropriety against Mucky? As he seems to be
  guilty as charged (no?) does that invalidate what he had to teach?
  Also, do you know of any shaktipat groups in the UK that could be worth
  investigating? Does your group have centres (centers) over here?
  As regards your personal history, did you ever try psychedelics back in
  the day; I'm wondering if they might have been a cause of some of your
  experiences. (If you don't want to answer this bit, that's fine too!)
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
  On 07/16/2013 04:15 PM, Seraphita wrote:
  Thanks again. Re Beej mantras are commonly used in astrology and
  ayurveda . . . tells the person to repeat the mantra either in a
  short
  meditation or sometimes throughout the day (like a walking mantra).
  Repeating the mantra through the day (like the Hare Krishna crowd)
  is
  very different from effortless TM. The point is kinda to forget the
  mantra.
  There is the TM walking mantra for kids.  And in TM the mantra is
  just
  a faint idea.  FYI, I taught TM too.
 
  Re: When longer mantras are given as a public first technique
  then
  the teacher usually gives shaktipat to jump-start them. Muktananda's
  organization teaches this way. But the guru has to wait until his
  teachers have developed enough shakti to give shakipat to teach
  these. I
  was also taught by my tantra guru to teach meditation this way. You
  sound like the guy I need to meet! What I've read about Muktananda's
  shaktipat trickery has always intrigued me - he was able to produce
  serious shifts in his students awareness - shifts that are difficult
  to
  explain. Do you think it comes down to hypnotic suggestion? - which
  is
  what charismatic church leaders seem to practise (perhaps
  unconsciously). Or do you reckon there's something more going on
  here?
  It is the transference of energy or shakti.  It isn't hypnosis.
  Tantrics
  are supposed to get so powerful and good at it that they can
  temporarily
  animate a dead corpse in a cremation ground.
  I
  was recently looking for a (basic, non-technical) book on shaktipat
  that
  might give me some insight: can you recommend any titles (maybe one
  of
  Muktananda's as I've not read any of his books)?
  It can't be learned from a book.  It is really simple and there have
  been others on FFL who have taken some of the shaktipat courses that
  other Indian teachers have offered.  My teacher limited me to giving
  it
  only 7 times per day when starting out.   But he also only allowed me
  to
  do the technique after 5 years of instruction.
  Re  . . . With a little zip from performing a puja before each
  teaching
  session. But a lot of people might have just picked the beej mantra
  up
  out of book and it would have worked after a while. Yes, there are
  some
  on-line TM-type instructors that have appeared recently. I remember
  from
  my own TM initiation that I felt the dive within right from the
  get-go.
  In fact, it took me completely by surprise. Those who've tried
  learning
  from a book or on-line do report benefits so I hope they're getting
  the
  same experiences but I wonder if, by missing out on that
  face-to-face
  encounter, something gets lost by the mediation of text or
  technology.
  Three years prior to learning TM I tried a meditation out of a book.
  I
  didn't expect anything but the kundalini rose to the crown chakra.  It
  was as if I went up into the sun and coming out I was disoriented.  I
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holly Hunter is U.G.Krishnamurti

2013-07-15 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Of course folks here would love Sweetie with it's obvious nod to TM 
 being that one of the characters is a TM teacher.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098725/
 
 Actually I like Holy Smoke and have the DVD.  I thought she did a 
 pretty good job of depicting shaktipat at the beginning.
 
 Holly Hunter had that dreadful neo-religious TV series that probably 
 didn't do much for her career.
 

I rather enjoyed Saving Grace.

L



[FairfieldLife] Re: How to improve TM practice - a heretic's guide

2013-07-12 Thread sparaig
Everyone is different. One thing I've noted about 40 years (as of yesterday) 
TM practice is that I still don't know how to do it.

I find it fascinating that anyone has discovered a way to do it (whatever 
it is) better.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 Franklin Merrell-Wolff (younger readers will have to look him up on
 Wikipedia as he's fallen into obscurity in recent years) claimed that he
 never learned a single meditation practice that he didn't have to
 tweak before he could get the maximum benefits from the practice. I
 have to confess, I've had the same experience with TM. The effortless
 repetition (or favouring) of the mantra for sure elicited some dramatic
 changes in consciousness, including (on rounding courses) experiences of
 Richard Bucke-style cosmic consciousness. But the TM technique always
 insisted one concentrate (if concentrate is the right word) on
 hearing the subtle sound of the syllable - with no reference given to
 where ones vision (perhaps a better expression is inner vision) might
 be centred. I've since found that, for me, allowing my inner vision
 awareness to centre on the space immediately in front of my eyes greatly
 enhances the effects of TM and makes me more centred immediately after a
 mediation session. (I'm not actually crossed-eyed (!) during my
 sessions, but presumably the location does suggest the Ajna chakra.)
 I've heard that other spiritual groups recommend centring ones attention
 on the Ajna chakra if you're more the thinking type - that would
 describe me - but they also recommend centring attention on the heart
 chakra if you're more the touchy-feely type. By the way, dire warnings
 are given (especially by Theosophical-influenced groups) on allowing
 one's attention to centre on the lower - the root or genital chakras -
 unless you're sexually pure as that can increase one's libido and lead
 to sexual obsessions - or sex addiction as modern parlance has it.
 Now, only being myself your bog-standard meditator, I'm curious if other
 (more advanced) FFL posters have experienced a similar effect to me.
 That is, combining mantra favouring with relaxed, inner visual attention
 centred in front of the eyes has improved your results. And also I'm
 curious if those of you who took TM-sidha training, or trained as
 teachers, ever heard Maharishi mention chakras to your inner core of
 true believers . . .
 By the way, if what I'm saying sounds presumptuous why not give it a try
 yourself for a few days?





[FairfieldLife] Re: How to improve TM practice - a heretic's guide

2013-07-12 Thread sparaig
Share, thanks. It's been an interesting journey, thus far.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Lawson, Happy Anniversary yesterday!
 
 
 
 
  From: sparaig LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to improve TM practice - a heretic's guide
  
 
 
   
 Everyone is different. One thing I've noted about 40 years (as of yesterday) 
 TM practice is that I still don't know how to do it.
 
 I find it fascinating that anyone has discovered a way to do it (whatever 
 it is) better.
 
 L
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
  Franklin Merrell-Wolff (younger readers will have to look him up on
  Wikipedia as he's fallen into obscurity in recent years) claimed that he
  never learned a single meditation practice that he didn't have to
  tweak before he could get the maximum benefits from the practice. I
  have to confess, I've had the same experience with TM. The effortless
  repetition (or favouring) of the mantra for sure elicited some dramatic
  changes in consciousness, including (on rounding courses) experiences of
  Richard Bucke-style cosmic consciousness. But the TM technique always
  insisted one concentrate (if concentrate is the right word) on
  hearing the subtle sound of the syllable - with no reference given to
  where ones vision (perhaps a better expression is inner vision) might
  be centred. I've since found that, for me, allowing my inner vision
  awareness to centre on the space immediately in front of my eyes greatly
  enhances the effects of TM and makes me more centred immediately after a
  mediation session. (I'm not actually crossed-eyed (!) during my
  sessions, but presumably the location does suggest the Ajna chakra.)
  I've heard that other spiritual groups recommend centring ones attention
  on the Ajna chakra if you're more the thinking type - that would
  describe me - but they also recommend centring attention on the heart
  chakra if you're more the touchy-feely type. By the way, dire warnings
  are given (especially by Theosophical-influenced groups) on allowing
  one's attention to centre on the lower - the root or genital chakras -
  unless you're sexually pure as that can increase one's libido and lead
  to sexual obsessions - or sex addiction as modern parlance has it.
  Now, only being myself your bog-standard meditator, I'm curious if other
  (more advanced) FFL posters have experienced a similar effect to me.
  That is, combining mantra favouring with relaxed, inner visual attention
  centred in front of the eyes has improved your results. And also I'm
  curious if those of you who took TM-sidha training, or trained as
  teachers, ever heard Maharishi mention chakras to your inner core of
  true believers . . .
  By the way, if what I'm saying sounds presumptuous why not give it a try
  yourself for a few days?
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the worst lie Maharishi told?

2013-07-05 Thread sparaig
Actually, Psychologist Richard Castillo published a report about 6 of his 
patients who were reporting what sounds just like CC, but were feeling confused 
about their status.

They were all TMers. The average time they'd been meditating was about 11 
years. One of the patients had only been doing TM for about 18 months when he 
started to have permanent depersonalization without any negative complaints 
other than confusion about why he was different than everyone else.


So, 1.5-20 years, isn't that different from 5-8 years.

If you took a rough estimate as a hard figure, well, that's your problem.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 My answer:  5 - 8 years to get to CC.  Without that lie, the truth might have 
 been told that even with TM's power you're looking at whole lifetimes, on 
 average, to get everything corrected.
 
 Edg





[FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Engelbart Dies

2013-07-04 Thread sparaig
I didn't realize he was still alive.

He gave a presentation 50 years ago sometimes called The Mother of All Demos, 
where he demonstrated the groundbreaking work his team had done.

Alan Kay's team at Xerox PARC very consciously tried to create a  computer 
system that could *easily* do what Engelbart's team took years of research to 
accomplish.

The Mac OS, Windows, and all other graphical user interfaces go back to 
Engelbart's work, either via the PARC project, or directly.

Just about every aspect of computing that we take for granted today sprang out 
of that demo that Engelbart and his team gave.

RIP


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 Inventor of the computer mouse and the computer graphical interface.





[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers Can have another life

2013-07-03 Thread sparaig
Apparently, Keith Wallace, or at least, one of his sons had heard of me. I 
mentioned my name ages ago on the phone, and Ted (I believe it was), said Oh, 
yeah! Hi and I had never spoken to him before.

I'm  [in]famous amongst a really really tiny group of people, apparently...

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 well you dumbass of course Wallace never heard of me - I never had any 
 dealings with him since I was not a student - others who were on staff at 
 nearly anytime at MIU can attest to the fact that Movement elitism was and 
 probably is rife amongst the illustrious of the school - the faculty never 
 mixed much with the actual workers - but you go ahead and believe your 
 fantasies. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard J. Williams richard@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers Can have another life
  
 
 
   
   Nobody I know ever heard of you at MUM, anyway
  
 mjackson74:
  that's because you never knew anyone who counted
 
 It is a fact that Robert Keith Wallace never heard 
 of you.
 
  besides, I was never at MUM - I worked for MIU
  
 Not one single teacher at MIU can remember you. LoL! 
 
TM teachers Can have another life
   
   Hey, you're not supposed to be yakking while you're on 
  company time, or for that matter, on the tax-payer's 
   dime. LoL!
  
   Your name is already mud all over Fairfield so why 
   insult the TMers here? You suck as an informant - I get 
   more TMer news from the Radiance listserv in Austin. 
  
  Nobody I know ever heard of you at MUM, anyway. Go figure.
  
   'Why a Government That Collects Everyone's Private Data 
   Won't Let Its Employees Access Public Information'
   Reason:
   http://tinyurl.com/o7x9vpg
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting third party view of the Robin thang

2013-07-03 Thread sparaig

I read the online excerpts.  A very interesting perspective, though of course, 
as is always the case, it seems limited because reality is too complex to write 
down accurately.

Certainly, I am aware that there was more going on with Deepak Chopra than the 
authors mention, and I suspect the same is true with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and 
Robin Carlson.

L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 I pass along here something sent to me by a lurker who preferred to have
 someone else post it so as not to become a target for the Robin
 supporters. It is an excerpt from a book called Sacred Schisms: How
 Religions Divide, edited by James R. Lewis and Sarah M. Lewis.
 
 I cannot confess to having done all my Steinian Due Diligence on the
 editors, but a quick glance at their other works seems to indicate that
 they are scholars with an interest in religions, as opposed to someone
 with an axe to grind. I pass it along because it seems to be something
 we don't get much of around here, a view of the whole Robin phenomenon
 presented without emotion or allegiance to one side of the story or
 another. It seems to present some contradictions to claims here about
 how much Robin continued to revere Maharishi and his teachings during
 his 15 minutes of fame.
 
 The Amazon link to their book is the first link below, and a Google
 Reader Look Inside This Book is provided at the second (and third)
 links. Google Reader does not seem to allow cut-and-paste, so I cannot
 duplicate it here. The link pointed for me to page 292, but the
 information about Robin and his relationship with Maharishi starts at
 the bottom of page 289. It is missing page 294 for some reason.
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Schisms-How-Religions-Divide/dp/0521881471
 http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Schisms-How-Religions-Divide/dp/0521881471\
 
 
 http://books.google.com/books?id=2ama0nYRlB8Cpg=PA292lpg=PA292dq=%22R\
 obin+Carlsen%22source=blots=T2I4atqqNlsig=eRRuklROm7gPtmTdS7FEHPvCU8M\
 hl=ensa=Xei=GODTUc2-B9P20gXaioDIAwved=0CGUQ6AEwCDge#v=onepageq=%22R\
 obin%20Carlsen%22f=false
 http://books.google.com/books?id=2ama0nYRlB8Cpg=PA292lpg=PA292dq=%22\
 Robin+Carlsen%22source=blots=T2I4atqqNlsig=eRRuklROm7gPtmTdS7FEHPvCU8\
 Mhl=ensa=Xei=GODTUc2-B9P20gXaioDIAwved=0CGUQ6AEwCDge#v=onepageq=%22\
 Robin%20Carlsen%22f=false
 
 http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc





[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting third party view of the Robin thang

2013-07-03 Thread sparaig
As understand it, MMY said that Robin Carlson's experiences of Unity (book says 
Cosmic Consciousness) were valid and asked him to describe them.

Robin took this as a personal declaration of his own full enlightenment and, 
like others have done, refused to go and be viable in society, but instead 
got full of himself.

MMY not wanting to comment in public on Robin's enlightenment is no more 
significant than him not wanting to comment on MY  enlightenment: it's not his 
place to micromanage arbitrary people's states of consciousness.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 Quite interesting.  I know others will say why even bother with
 something over thirty years old, but some of this (beginning on page
 289) directly contradicts many of Robin's avowed claims.  Sad really.
 
 Judy always trots out the article of faith that Maharishi secretly
 supported Robin.  Sort of blows that up, doesn't it?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  I pass along here something sent to me by a lurker who preferred to
 have
  someone else post it so as not to become a target for the Robin
  supporters. It is an excerpt from a book called Sacred Schisms: How
  Religions Divide, edited by James R. Lewis and Sarah M. Lewis.
 
  I cannot confess to having done all my Steinian Due Diligence on the
  editors, but a quick glance at their other works seems to indicate
 that
  they are scholars with an interest in religions, as opposed to someone
  with an axe to grind. I pass it along because it seems to be something
  we don't get much of around here, a view of the whole Robin phenomenon
  presented without emotion or allegiance to one side of the story or
  another. It seems to present some contradictions to claims here about
  how much Robin continued to revere Maharishi and his teachings
 during
  his 15 minutes of fame.
 
  The Amazon link to their book is the first link below, and a Google
  Reader Look Inside This Book is provided at the second (and third)
  links. Google Reader does not seem to allow cut-and-paste, so I cannot
  duplicate it here. The link pointed for me to page 292, but the
  information about Robin and his relationship with Maharishi starts at
  the bottom of page 289. It is missing page 294 for some reason.
 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Schisms-How-Religions-Divide/dp/0521881471
   
 
 
 http://books.google.com/books?id=2ama0nYRlB8Cpg=PA292lpg=PA292dq=%22R\
 \
 
 obin+Carlsen%22source=blots=T2I4atqqNlsig=eRRuklROm7gPtmTdS7FEHPvCU8M\
 \
 
 hl=ensa=Xei=GODTUc2-B9P20gXaioDIAwved=0CGUQ6AEwCDge#v=onepageq=%22R\
 \
  obin%20Carlsen%22f=false
  
 Robin+Carlsen%22source=blots=T2I4atqqNlsig=eRRuklROm7gPtmTdS7FEHPvCU8\
 \
 
 Mhl=ensa=Xei=GODTUc2-B9P20gXaioDIAwved=0CGUQ6AEwCDge#v=onepageq=%22\
 \
  Robin%20Carlsen%22f=false
 
  http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the age of the touch typist ending?

2013-07-03 Thread sparaig
Keep in mind that QWERTY was actually designed to slow DOWN your typing speed. 
I don't know that a good touch typist is ever going to be slower than a 2 
finger typist, but the speed record holder for touch typing uses the Dvorak 
keyboard, not QWERTY, anyways.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Over this last week I've noticed something interesting.
 Sitting in cafes as I do, I've become aware that many
 young people are *much* faster at typing on their
 iPhones or other Smartphones than I am, just *screaming*
 along using two thumbs to tweet to their friends.
 
 But at work I've also been involved in interviewing a 
 number of students from a local university that offers
 a Class A tech writing/information design degree to 
 work as interns for IBM. They've all been sharp as
 tacks, and I would willingly work with all of them,
 but I noticed something while watching them perform
 the writing tests that my manager insisted on giving 
 them. They've all been two finger typists. 
 
 They're *fast* at it, but so far out of six applicants
 for these internships, not one of them was a touch
 typist. Then I noticed that one of my coworkers, who
 started her career at IBM as one of these interns,
 was also a two-finger typist. Again, she's fast at it,
 and is an excellent tech writer, but it got me to 
 thinking. 
 
 What with the proliferation of mobile devices and
 touchscreen pads, is touch typing on its way out?
 I consider myself fortunate that I taught myself to
 write this way, to the point that I can now type
 literally as fast as I think. But I wonder whether
 it will become a lost skill in the future. 
 
 I guess it will all become a moot point when someone
 invents plug-in interfaces that just translate what
 we think *into* text on a screen. But when that
 happens, I'll probably still rely on a keyboard.
 It's my instrument, and playing on any other
 just wouldn't create the same music.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Oprah says, I'm 1000% better. (when I do TM)

2013-06-30 Thread sparaig
Get a room, guys.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Being reviled by someone who is so successful he believes in aliens who are 
 so juvenile they waste time and effort smashing British farmer's crops and 
 licking Benjy Creme's boots is a fine thing.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:35 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oprah says, I'm 1000% better. (when I do TM)
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  just a matter of time before she realizes there are much better things out 
  there
 
 I'm sure she is just waiting to be guided into the much better by a  angry, 
 former wannabe baker and failed channeller. 
 Go MJ, go !





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...

2013-06-28 Thread sparaig
So, for the years 1977 through 1986, he was still doing TM?



L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was
  perfect 25 years ago,  he has never done TM again, or so
  his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem
  to apply.
  
  Does the term stuck mean anything?
 
 It describes your view of Robin quite well, actually.
 Among other things, that view appears to get in the
 way of reading what he's actually written (including
 getting the dates wrong). You might just want to
 reread the paragraph from my post that you quote
 that begins According to him... and compare it to
 what you just wrote above. (According to him refers
 to his posts on FFL, in case that was a source of
 confusion for you.)
 
 No, he never did TM after he realized, around 1986,
 that his enlightenment in 1976 (37 years ago) had
 been a state that had fostered serious delusions.
 
 For the next 25-plus years, he struggled to *get out*
 of that state of enlightenment-cum-delusion.
 
 How it could *possibly* be seen as ironic that he
 did not continue the practice that was responsible 
 for the state that had resulted in extreme suffering
 for himself and many other people is unclear to me.
 He wanted nothing more than to be free of that state.
 And apparently he's been pretty successful at
 getting *unstuck* from it.
 
 
  
  
  L
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
   wrote:
   
And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - 
he must have thought of himself, carried on from his
Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he
became a Guru.
   
   I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At
   least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of
   infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*,
   not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not
   a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending
   to oneself that one is in an advanced state of
   consciousness).
   
   Did you ever read his account of what happened on the
   mountain? Have a look:
   
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412
   
   According to him, that experience *never went away*,
   until he fought it off little by little starting 10
   years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25
   years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will
   back, his sense of individuality back. From what he
   says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle
   that nearly killed him.
   
   If you're up to it, have a look at this too:
   
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397
   
   It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last
   August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his
   experience during those 10 years.
   
Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into
admitting his fallibility and vulnerability
   
   The way I read what he's said, he was forced to
   recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable,
   but it took much, much longer for him to
   *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having
   a profound insight in a therapist's office and then
   seeing everything in one's life differently as a
   result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words.
   
and thereby developing the qualities I mention.

I think these qualities of Robin are very charming.
   
   Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost.
   
Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it.
   
   Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any
   of us--you more than most, but still--can really
   understand what he went through. I know I don't. I 
   have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more
   than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't
   *explain* it much more than that.
   
   But it's certainly entirely possible to understand
   it better than Barry and Xeno do.
   



On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote:

 Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus 
 like
 Amma and Maharishi as well.

 The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a
 special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of
 accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that
 their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains 
 stunted.



 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula 
 chivukula.ravi@wrote:

 With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't 
 it?

 How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and 
 at a
 deeper level one's thoughts, emotions​. This accountability

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vatican Official Arrested for Corruption

2013-06-28 Thread sparaig
The only incident I heard of was in Spain many decades ago at a time when, if a 
company or organization was NOT doing that, they were plain stupid. Some 
countries have had a triple digit inflation rate relatively recently. Not sure 
if Spain was one of them, but when I was there in 1980 or thereabouts, they had 
national police with submachine guns at ever major street corner in 
anticipation of riots due to the closing of the national banks.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 He should have talked to Girish and marshy's other kin folk - I hear the 
 Movement people did that crap all the time and got away with it.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vatican Official Arrested for Corruption
  
 
 
   
 He tried to bring in millions of euros in cash from Switzerland without going 
 through customs.  Further investigation of this case could disclose many ugly 
 details.  One wonders how many mistresses this crook is keeping by stealing 
 from the church coffers.
 
 This is a case of Jupiter turning into a malefic.  When it does, it steals 
 millions through organized crime.
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-official-arrested-corruption-plot-075720910.html





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sure sounds like Robin to me...

2013-06-27 Thread sparaig
The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years 
ago,  he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more 
recently, to me, seem to apply.

Does the term stuck mean anything?


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - 
  he must have thought of himself, carried on from his
  Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he
  became a Guru.
 
 I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At
 least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of
 infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*,
 not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not
 a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending
 to oneself that one is in an advanced state of
 consciousness).
 
 Did you ever read his account of what happened on the
 mountain? Have a look:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412
 
 According to him, that experience *never went away*,
 until he fought it off little by little starting 10
 years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25
 years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will
 back, his sense of individuality back. From what he
 says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle
 that nearly killed him.
 
 If you're up to it, have a look at this too:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397
 
 It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last
 August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his
 experience during those 10 years.
 
  Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into
  admitting his fallibility and vulnerability
 
 The way I read what he's said, he was forced to
 recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable,
 but it took much, much longer for him to
 *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having
 a profound insight in a therapist's office and then
 seeing everything in one's life differently as a
 result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words.
 
  and thereby developing the qualities I mention.
  
  I think these qualities of Robin are very charming.
 
 Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost.
 
  Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it.
 
 Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any
 of us--you more than most, but still--can really
 understand what he went through. I know I don't. I 
 have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more
 than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't
 *explain* it much more than that.
 
 But it's certainly entirely possible to understand
 it better than Barry and Xeno do.
 
  
  
  
  On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote:
  
   Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like
   Amma and Maharishi as well.
  
   The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a
   special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of
   accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that
   their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted.
  
  
  
   On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote:
  
   With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it?
  
   How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a
   deeper level one's thoughts, emotions​. This accountability then 
   translates
   to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity.
  
   So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities - accountability,
   self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly each 
   one
   of us are fallible, vulnerable and we make mistakes. So the process of
   acquiring these 3 qualities involves admitting one's fallibility and
   vulnerability.
  
   Robin scores exceptionally high on these qualities. Your dear Judy, for
   me - display these qualities as well.
  
   Barry and Xeno - ZERO, their actions here shows us that they complete
   lack integrity. They are blind to their malicious vindictiveness and
   dishonesty - perhaps because they clearly aren't taking responsibility 
   and
   accountability for their feelings that are causing them to slander Robin
   here - be it jealousy, vindictiveness or any other deeper negative
   emotions. Xeno is more terrible, he acts as if he is some mature, wise,
   compassionate person at least Barry rejoices in his overt sadism.
  
   Really sad and pathetic behavior on the part of Barry and Xeno.
  
  
  
   On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   **
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   (snip)
  
 Then folks who had been there and had seen him do this
 started showing up on FFL, and Robin knew that the jig

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?

2013-06-27 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. 
  IT don't matter how.
 
 It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws
 of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't
 
  

Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as 
concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not 
defeating them.

MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were 
stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the 
TM-Sidhis]. He never talked in terms of defeat.

  Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but 
  whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial
 
 The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will
 be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like
 that would be the whole point.
 

Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works 
whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float.
 
  as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama 
 and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with 
 specific sutras.
  
  I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until 
  someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John 
  Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru.
 
 Is that irony? I can't tell with you.
 

Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the 
siddhis was just around the corner, and his rhetoric for the past 30 years 
has reflected that.

L

 
  L:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote:
  
   
   Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power?
   
   Wiki:
   
   Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, 
   the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting 
   material has its own characteristic penetration depth.
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?

2013-06-27 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
[...]
  Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as 
  concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, 
  not defeating them.
 
 It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as 
 mastering it, it no longer affects you.
 

Affects you differently might be more accurate.

  
  MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were 
  stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of 
  the TM-Sidhis]. 
 
 The laws in the vicinity of our planet are stupid? He clearly never
 studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere.
 


The laws of nature are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't dealt 
with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of physics 
and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be reasoned with, 
or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than their default mode of 
conduct.

Or something.



L



[FairfieldLife] Amusing...

2013-06-26 Thread sparaig
You can't make this stuff up.

The top keyword for the independent TM organization's website in the UK is 
narcissistic.


http://sitestater.com/tm-meditation.co.uk/


L



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?

2013-06-26 Thread sparaig
Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT 
don't matter how.

Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or 
not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial as far as the purpose 
of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological 
effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras.

I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until 
someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John 
Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru.


L:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power?
 
 Wiki:
 
 Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the 
 magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has 
 its own characteristic penetration depth.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect





[FairfieldLife] Re: Pine hit by ball lightning!

2013-06-24 Thread sparaig
I'm glad I wasn't sitting under THAT tree...


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 A soccer ball size ball lightning caused this:
   [Salaman jx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;ljet nx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;kyvx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;t
 selvx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;sti puun kyljessx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;.]





[FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending with...uh...more PR and Spin

2013-06-24 Thread sparaig
I just don't understand people i guess.

BTW, all you folk who feel a need to seek out the awakened...


When was the last time you got checked?


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 All bad?   Well, the other evening in Fairfield Rick  hosted a guy who is 
 awakened to talk about his experience.  Seems a real nice man.  No 
 organization and evidently not a narcissist, not selling nothing.Just 
 interested in simply sharing with folks. Not religion and not doing 
 philosophy, not building an empire but just talking life given his 
 experience.  Was real interesting given his service and background which 
 crossed Eastern and Western mysticism and spiritual practice.  Not a TM'er 
 but also steeped in meditation.   In the midst of the talk he also pointed 
 out the value of keeping the company of awakened or enlightened people in 
 process,  like with the Guru Dev quote advising people to seek the company of 
 saints, mahatmas and wise people.Was a big turn out of Fairfiled folks 
 for the meeting.   Real nice.   His Bio at
 http://batgap.com/francis-bennett/ 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   You can think whatever you like 
  
  Good to know.
  
  - these people who have lots of followers don't have them from a sense of 
  duty or doing good for humanity, they have the followers because they WANT 
  them - for money, sex, and to get attention - most of them anyway and in 
  some ways Barry is correct - if the seekers could realize the so-called 
  gurus don't know near what the followers think they know the world would be 
  better off
  
  I took issue with your statement that these two prove that all gurus and 
  enlightened people are frauds and shysters. I disagree that extrapolating 
  that conclusion from two random links to two random 'teachers' doesn't 
  prove anything.
  
  And yes, those who continue to support and don't confront others when faced 
  with evidence of wrong doing or just plain craziness is called enabling. 
  There are usually valid reasons in the minds of the enablers for why they 
  do this - reasons of self-servingness and need are just two of them.
   
   
   
   
   
From: Ann awoelflebater@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:37 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A culture of PR and Spin, ending 
   with...uh...more PR and Spin

   
   
     
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
Thanks for posting this Barry - just goes to show all these gurus are 
full of it - not a one of them has any integrity or enlightenment
   
   I am not sure two articles goes to show all these guru are full of it. 
   Those two men seem to be full of it as are thousands, maybe tens of 
   thousands, more who set themselves up as people who think they know 
   better or can teach others something due to their special access to some 
   sort of experience or knowledge. 
   
   Although I am perhaps one of the least likely people I know to follow any 
   guru now I would hardly conclude from the article on Mr Cohen and the 
   prostitute serial killer that there are no learned teachers (gurus) on 
   the planet. I think there are probably much better examples of men and 
   women out there who have something useful and profound to say who have 
   yet to be revealed as child molesters, embezzlers and animal torturers. 
   However, anyone who sets themselves up as some sort of guru is suspect in 
   my estimation. 





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A culture of PR and Spin, ending 
with...uh...more PR and Spin



  
Another faux guru bites the dust:

http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.nl/2013/06/andrew-cohen-and-fall-of-guru-in-age-of_21.html

At least Cohen seems to be leaving before turning out
like this guy:

http://www.murciatoday.com/victim-count-of-false-shaolin-monk-may-rise-further_17175-a.html
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, PaliGap--

2013-06-23 Thread sparaig

FWIW, I am of the opinion that *everyone* is intellectually dishonest at one 
point or another.

That is why God created the double-blind research design...


L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
This is all one non sequitur after another, salyavin.
Argument by assertion doesn't really do the trick,
you know, just makes you look intellectually dishonest
like the rest of the New Atheists. Why do you even
start if you aren't going to follow through?
   
   Why do you call everyone you disagree with
   intellectually dishonest? Sooner or later
   you always do.
 
 As noted, I call intellectually dishonest only
 those who seem to me to be intellectually dishonest.
 That is by no means everyone.
 
   Show of hands...how many here have been at 
   one time or another been accused by Judy of
   being intellectually dishonest?  
   
   See? Almost everyone.  :-)
  
  It's a badge of honour. 
  
  Or a new game called Judy Bingo, if you get one
  intellectually dishonest or just plain liar every day
  for a week there is a special prize.
 
 FWIW, Barry is the only chronic liar on FFL at this
 point.
 
  I've been called arrogant, a liar, dishonest and stupid all 
  because I don't believe in god or astrology.
 
 Well, that's a lie right there. Your lack of belief is
 *not* why I made any of those accusations. (And I don't
 recall having called you a liar until now. Perhaps you
 could refresh my memory?)
 
  I don't think
  anyone else has trouble following my arguments.
 
 And that's intellectual dishonesty. I have no trouble
 following your arguments, such as they are (i.e.,
 feeble and ignorant). The intellectual dishonesty
 shows itself when you're trying to *defend* one of
 those arguments after it's been shown to be feeble
 and ignorant.
 
  Go figure, as they say.
 
 Hope that helped.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield, Iowa - Places to Visit / Reasons to Stay! - The Fairfield Loop Trail (Vimeo, 5:19)

2013-06-21 Thread sparaig
The numbers of folk in the domes in iowa are way below what is needed to 
affect national consciousness, according to theory.

It may be that the number of sidhas in Mexico is enough to affect the world's 
consciousness, but that number is being kept off the books, currently.

Until the TMO can point to numbers that fit their theory, they will likely be 
silent on the ME.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 Is the TMO going to claim the current rise of the stock market as the result 
 of the group meditation in the Dome?
 
 If not, why?
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
 
  Forwarded From: William Torrington bill.torrington@
  
  Please enjoy this video tour of the beautiful Fairfield Loop Trail, created 
  in the fall of 2010 by Bill Torrington and Emo Baer, TM-Sidha (87 years).
   
  It is set to Johannes Sebastian Bach's magnificent Cantata, Sheep May 
  Safely Graze.
   
  Thank you.
   
   
   

   
   
  Play video: https://vimeo.com/8256410 (5.19)
   
   
   
   
  Also enjoy: A fun poster (scanned by Norton Anti-virus; safe)
   
   Beach Boys in Fairfield, Iowa (2009).tif
  
  
  Also see below: 
   
   
   An Invincible America Assembly Funding Proposal (kindly save 
  or download first, then open) 
   
   Where the Golden Dome is your first class! - Invincible America / 
  Masters in Maharishi Vedic Science 
   
   and
   
   An independent website for accessing TM-Sidha products, job search 
  and job postings in Fairfield, Iowa and at
   Maharishi University of Management --
   
   
  www.StudentPla.net/dharma-groups  (click 
  Join Us)
  
   
  
  Also:
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

2013-06-19 Thread sparaig
I still find this tape charming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  If I had known about a no Saints policy before learning TM, honestly, 
  that type of control would have steered me far away from learning TM, 
  absolutely.
 
 That's nothing, if I'd seen a tape of Marshy before learning
 I wouldn't have bothered.
 
 There is a reason they keep stuff like this back, they don't
 want to scare people off. At the academy I worked at they had
 special weekend courses for newbies with normal food and easy
 going tapes with no chanting etc. The whole thing was designed
 to get you into the belief system bit by bit. 
 
   
  Hindsight, when I was innocent to some of these ridicules requirements, 
  such as that, I would appreciated hearing from others what is going to be 
  expected, of one to use and do a stress reduction, technique, and pay 
  for it on top of that!
  
  Nothing is wrong with teaching and sharing and a fair exchange of goods for 
  services.
  It is all the stupid requirements that make it look like a cult.
 
 It *is* a cult.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

2013-06-19 Thread sparaig
Forty years of doing the same thing


I marvel all the time how unlike my meditation today is from yesterday or from 
39 years ago.

Are you sure you're doing TM?


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years 
 is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different 
 result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the 
 statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I 
 don't dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
  the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
  al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
  
  
    
  Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, 
  still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now 
  being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those 
  in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, 
  etc, etc. 
  
  Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who 
  actually practice it! 
  
  Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
  done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I 
  have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or 
  had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER 
  MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do 
  with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
  
  As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
  :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
   involved with the TM organization,
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Genetically Modified Grass Begins Releasing Cyanide, Kills Texas Cattle

2013-06-19 Thread sparaig
Which only shows the need for safety testing of non-GMOs as well.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 Nabby, did you not see the update at the end? It wasn't
 GMO grass after all.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
   Posted: June 25, 2012  Genetically Modified Grass Begins Releasing
  Cyanide, Kills Texas Cattle  
  http://pinterest.com/pin/create/button/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquisitr.\
  com%2F262111%2Fgenetically-modified-grass-begins-releasing-cyanide-kills\
  -texas-cattle%2Fmedia=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.inquisitr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fupl\
  oads%2F2012%2F06%2FTifton-85-Cyanide-Grass-is-killing-cows-e134063269664\
  6.jpgdescription=When a herd of cattle suddenly died in Central Texas
  investigators were dispatched to the scene to investigate and now
  preliminary test results are blaming the  [Tifton 85 Cyanide Grass is
  killing cows]
  When a herd of cattle suddenly died in Central Texas investigators were
  dispatched to the scene to investigate and now preliminary test results
  are blaming the animals deaths on the genetically modified grass the
  cows were consuming.
  
  The cows which were grazing on an 80-acre patch owned by Jerry Abel in
  Elgin, Texas died several weeks ago.
  
  Abel tells CBS Station KEYE that the grass should have been perfect
  since it had a lot of leaf, it's good grass, tested high for
  protein � it should have been perfect.
  
  The grass was a form of Bermuda known as Tifton 85 and it has been
  around for 15 years on the Abel farm. Unfortunately something went
  horribly wrong several weeks ago and according to Abel:
  
  When our trainer first heard the bellowing, he thought our pregnant
  heifer may be having a calf or something. But when he got down here,
  virtually all of the steers and heifers were on the ground. Some were
  already dead, and the others were already in convulsions.
  
  It turns out that the grass for some unknown reason began producing
  cyanide gas which is poisonous to cattle.
  
  Other farms quickly began testing their fields and while no other cattle
  deaths have been reported at least several farmers found toxic cyanide
  in their Tifton 85 grass.
  
  According to the Examiner
  http://www.examiner.com/article/15-year-old-field-of-gm-tifton-85-grass\
  -suddenly-produces-cyanide-kills-cattle  the grass which has suffered
  from drought conditions for the last several years is now being
  dissected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to see if some type of
  strange mutation may have occurred.
  
  Update: The original report we received stated that the grass was a GMO
  version of Tifton 85. In fact it was a hybridized version of the
  product.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: book on Bliss by TM teacher 70's or 80's

2013-06-19 Thread sparaig
Peter Russel is now marketing a product to help you *really* become effortless 
during TM and other forms of meditation.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 It could be The Brain Book, by Peter Russell, first published 1979, I think, 
 with the type of cover you recall. There is a new edition of that book now 
 availsble. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geminitiger1950 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  im trying to locate the namre of the  author /title of a book I read in the 
  late 70's or 80's it had bliss in the title maybe brain as well,bluish 
  purplish cover.anyone recall it
   thanks
 





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