Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
Thanks, Buck, I like to somehow correlate the language of the different systems
with one another. And I've been remembering some of the info John Douglas says
about causal body. Hey, hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday
season and a joyful, healthy, prosperous new year.
On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:32 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, you might like this:
The Causal body - originally Karana-Sarira -
is a Yogic and Vedantic concept that was adopted
and modified by Theosophy and from the latter made its way
into the general New Age movement and contemporary
western esotericism. It generally refers to the highest or
innermost subtle body that veils the true soul.-Wiki
It is also where strong thought energetic forms can reside that
may lift out and go forward embedded with the light body of the soul as like a
bundle from this life carrying a mark in the works. I like Wgm's
description here of interpenetrating energetic form to describe the flow
of the energy bodies. That is useful and very good as a way of
looking at it. Activated in the human form they drape as flowing
fabric like fields. In life we use it all and might give dents to
the fields that can interrupt things in life and beyond too. And then
it is in the realm of spiritual practice as works in life here that pat things
down and smooth out the frays. Hopefully we haven't torn things up
too much in our life-times and weighted down things with too many
knots in the fabric of the subtle systems and we are settled and
straightened out before leaving this life. A life well lived.
-Buck in the Dome
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
One healer who visits FF twice a year says he's never seen so many top heavy
causal bodies as he sees here. Lots of spiritual refinement, but ungrounded!
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:28 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The subtler you get the more tenuous forms become until they become arupa, or
formless consciousness and light. The cut off is the mid-causal above which all
things are formless, expanded, consciousness and light. There is no need for
forms at those higher levels.
Most people's causal bodies are very undeveloped but are apparently a glorious
thing to see in an enlightened soul. All the bodies interpenetrate from the
physical within which we have the etheric or pranic body, within that is the
astral and within that is the causal body, beyond these bodies, all 'bodies'
are shared in common one is fast merging towards the Buddhic or unity of all
things. However one can still incarnate at any of the lower planes at will,
like Jesus Christ demonstrated.
That's why MMY calls the Devas (shining ones) creative intelligences of nature.
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Thanks, wgm. How is the causal body different from the astral body?
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:28 AM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yes, absolutely, the astral aura and world is supposedly full of color, your
aura can be a beautiful pink (love), yellow (intelligence) and even purple or
violet (devotion), OR it can be a hideous mixture of browns (greed/lust), greys
(depression) and black (hate, evil), depending.
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
wgm, one site I visited equated Kama rupa with the astral body. Does that jive
with what you know?
On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:46 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Kama=Desire, Rupa=form; i.e. the form of desire or the desire body! Usually
referred to in the after death state where the unfulfilled desires are left in
what the Catholics call 'purgatory'. This kama-rupa (as opposed to arupa or
formless) is the suppository of all your worldly desires, if evil it takes on a
hideous form and is attracted to hellish conditions, if good the outcome is
happiness, even heaven or what the theosophists call Devachan.
Noted often in Theosophy and Vedic literature.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/devachan.htm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@...
wrote:
Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa?
On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva
without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu -
an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti
symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and
Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a
nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They
don't call it Mother India for nothing.
A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional.
Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a
meditation that is transcendental.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
wgm, one site I visited equated Kama rupa with the astral body. Does that jive with what you know? On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:46 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Kama=Desire, Rupa=form; i.e. the form of desire or the desire body! Usually referred to in the after death state where the unfulfilled desires are left in what the Catholics call 'purgatory'. This kama-rupa (as opposed to arupa or formless) is the suppository of all your worldly desires, if evil it takes on a hideous form and is attracted to hellish conditions, if good the outcome is happiness, even heaven or what the theosophists call Devachan. Noted often in Theosophy and Vedic literature. http://www.katinkahesselink.net/devachan.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa? On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu - an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They don't call it Mother India for nothing. A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional. Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a meditation that is transcendental. In tantric yoga, there are mental techniques and tools, such as mantra and yantra, asana, puja, etc., used as aids to meditation. A yantra is any design that symbolizes a void with the bindu at the center. Shakti is in fact, listed as a progenitor in the Guru Dev puja, right after Naryana. Shaktism's focus on the Divine Feminine does not imply a rejection of Masculine or Neuter divinity. However, both are deemed to be inactive in the absence of Shakti. As set out in the first line of Adi Shankara's renowned Shakta hymn, Saundaryalahari (c. 800 CE)... Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism On 12/15/2013 6:38 PM, yifuxero@... wrote: Interesting, but MMY discarded this aspect of Devi worship; thus not following in the footsteps of Guru Dev. I've not encountered any instances of MMY promoting Devi worship, Sri Yantra or Sri Chakra pujas, or for that matter, the knowledge of Tantric symbols, or any related practices, aside silent repetition of the mantras. No japa or worship of the Sri Yantra, or the Lalitasahasranama. . ... OTOH, Ramana Maharshi - even though regarded as a pure Advaitin, had regular daily Sri Chakra pujas conducted at his Ashram. So go figureMMY is a Sabateur.effectively putting an end to Devi worship in that particular lineage. ... ...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
Thanks, wgm. How is the causal body different from the astral body?
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:28 AM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yes, absolutely, the astral aura and world is supposedly full of color, your
aura can be a beautiful pink (love), yellow (intelligence) and even purple or
violet (devotion), OR it can be a hideous mixture of browns (greed/lust), greys
(depression) and black (hate, evil), depending.
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
wgm, one site I visited equated Kama rupa with the astral body. Does that jive
with what you know?
On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:46 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Kama=Desire, Rupa=form; i.e. the form of desire or the desire body! Usually
referred to in the after death state where the unfulfilled desires are left in
what the Catholics call 'purgatory'. This kama-rupa (as opposed to arupa or
formless) is the suppository of all your worldly desires, if evil it takes on a
hideous form and is attracted to hellish conditions, if good the outcome is
happiness, even heaven or what the theosophists call Devachan.
Noted often in Theosophy and Vedic literature.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/devachan.htm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa?
On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva
without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu -
an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti
symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and
Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a
nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They
don't call it Mother India for nothing.
A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional.
Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a
meditation that is transcendental. In tantric yoga, there are
mental techniques and tools, such as mantra and yantra, asana,
puja, etc., used as aids to meditation. A yantra is any design
that symbolizes a void with the bindu at the center. Shakti is in
fact, listed as a progenitor in the Guru Dev puja, right after
Naryana.
Shaktism's focus on the Divine Feminine does not imply a
rejection of Masculine or Neuter divinity. However, both are
deemed to be inactive in the absence of Shakti. As set out in the
first line of Adi Shankara's renowned Shakta hymn, Saundaryalahari
(c. 800 CE)...
Read more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism
On 12/15/2013 6:38 PM, yifuxero@... wrote:
Interesting, but MMY discarded this aspect of Devi worship; thus not following
in the footsteps of Guru Dev. I've not encountered any instances of MMY
promoting Devi worship, Sri Yantra or Sri Chakra pujas, or for that matter,
the knowledge of Tantric symbols, or any related practices, aside silent
repetition of the mantras. No japa or worship of the Sri Yantra, or the
Lalitasahasranama. .
...
OTOH, Ramana Maharshi - even though regarded as a pure Advaitin, had regular
daily Sri Chakra pujas conducted at his Ashram. So go figureMMY is a
Sabateur.effectively putting an end to Devi worship in that particular
lineage.
...
...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
On 12/16/2013 3:34 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa? Kamarupa is the site of an ancient tantric cult of the Shakti Kamakhya in located in Assam. It is one of the main Shakti-pithas in the tanric Shakti cult. According to tantric legend in a nut shell, Shiva was married to Shakti, the daughter of Daksha, but Daksha did not like Shiva for some reason, and Daksha did not invite Shiva or Shakti to a perticular sacrifice. Because of this, Shiva got really angry because Shakti threw herself on a fire because she was upset. Shakti was then transformed into the goddess Tripura Sundari, also called Shodashi. Shiva was grief-stricken at the loss of his wife Shakti so he put her body on his shoulders and vowed to keep it there. But, Vishnu sent his discus and cut Shakti's body into pieces, the various body parts numbering 51, fell at various places which came to be known a the 18 Maha Shakti-peethas. The Kamakhya Temple is a Shakti temple situated on top of the Nilachal Hill in western part of Guwahati city in Assam on the northern banks of the river Brahmaputra (the son of Brahma), India. It is the main temple in a complex of individual temples dedicated to different forms of the mother goddess as the Dasa Mahavidya, including Bhuvaneshvari, Bagalamukhi, Chinnamasta, Tripura Sundari and Tara. It is an important pilgrimage destination for general Hindu and Tantric worshipers. According to legend the body part of Devi that fell here was Her yoni. The Sharda Temple which by tradition was visited by Shankara in his travels is located in Kishanganga Valley just across the Line of Control in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. The meaning of it is that Shankara reached the peak of spirituality. We can get an idea of his greatness from the fact that a person of just thirty had ascended the throne of all knowledge. As it is not possible to visit this shakti peetha, one can visit the famous Saraswathi temple in Basara in Nizamabad district of Andhra Pradesh. Basara is 200 km from Hyderabad. According to legend the body part of Devi that fell here was Her right hand. So, Sankara proceeded to Kamarup - the present Guwahati-in Assam and held a controversy with Abhinava Gupta, the Shakta commentator, and won victory over him. Abhinava felt his defeat very keenly. He made Sankara suffer from a severe form of piles through black magic. Padmapada removed the evil effects of the black magic. Sankara became quite alright. He then went to the Himalayas, and then built a Mutt at Joshi and a temple at Badri. He then proceeded to Kedarnath higher up in the Himalayas. He became one with the Shakti in 820 A.D. in his thirty-second year. You can read more about the Shakti Pithas here: http://www.srinithyakalyani.org/index.html http://www.srinithyakalyani.org/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamakhya
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
On 12/16/2013 3:40 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, do you know what the significance of a fence is? Most topes have a dome shape with a harmika on the top and a parasol, which also has a little rail around it, just like the MUM domes. Likewise, a stupa is a sort of mound, surmounted by a kalasa, supported by the amalaka in which the akasha, symbolizing dimensionless space, is supported by an invisible linga, surmounting harmika which is a basic hypaethral pavilion - a veritible chaitya-garbha for pradakshina, with a nice fence around it. The parasol, atop the stupa represents the canopy of heaven - its pole being the cosmic axis mundi and the dome's surface, the earth. As a cosmic egg image it is preeminent among the aniconic images of the Buddha. In Buddhist mythology the bodhi tree, also the symbol of MUM, is the original parasol duplicated in the dome with the kalasa on top. The point where the pole of the parasol pierces the canopy corresponds precisely to the point defined by the harmika, where the pole emerges from the summit of the stupa garbha. When seen from above, the stupa outlines a circle and the fence around it represents the protective area of the surround, just like in a two dimensional design of the Sri Yantra, but in three dimensions, and with a bindu or point in the center.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
One healer who visits FF twice a year says he's never seen so many top heavy
causal bodies as he sees here. Lots of spiritual refinement, but ungrounded!
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:28 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The subtler you get the more tenuous forms become until they become arupa, or
formless consciousness and light. The cut off is the mid-causal above which all
things are formless, expanded, consciousness and light. There is no need for
forms at those higher levels.
Most people's causal bodies are very undeveloped but are apparently a glorious
thing to see in an enlightened soul. All the bodies interpenetrate from the
physical within which we have the etheric or pranic body, within that is the
astral and within that is the causal body, beyond these bodies, all 'bodies'
are shared in common one is fast merging towards the Buddhic or unity of all
things. However one can still incarnate at any of the lower planes at will,
like Jesus Christ demonstrated.
That's why MMY calls the Devas (shining ones) creative intelligences of nature.
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Thanks, wgm. How is the causal body different from the astral body?
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:28 AM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yes, absolutely, the astral aura and world is supposedly full of color, your
aura can be a beautiful pink (love), yellow (intelligence) and even purple or
violet (devotion), OR it can be a hideous mixture of browns (greed/lust), greys
(depression) and black (hate, evil), depending.
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
wgm, one site I visited equated Kama rupa with the astral body. Does that jive
with what you know?
On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:46 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Kama=Desire, Rupa=form; i.e. the form of desire or the desire body! Usually
referred to in the after death state where the unfulfilled desires are left in
what the Catholics call 'purgatory'. This kama-rupa (as opposed to arupa or
formless) is the suppository of all your worldly desires, if evil it takes on a
hideous form and is attracted to hellish conditions, if good the outcome is
happiness, even heaven or what the theosophists call Devachan.
Noted often in Theosophy and Vedic literature.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/devachan.htm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@...
wrote:
Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa?
On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva
without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu -
an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti
symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and
Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a
nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They
don't call it Mother India for nothing.
A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional.
Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a
meditation that is transcendental. In tantric yoga, there are
mental techniques and tools, such as mantra and yantra, asana,
puja, etc., used as aids to meditation. A yantra is any design
that symbolizes a void with the bindu at the center. Shakti is in
fact, listed as a progenitor in the Guru Dev puja, right after
Naryana.
Shaktism's focus on the Divine Feminine does not imply a
rejection of Masculine or Neuter divinity. However, both are
deemed to be inactive in the absence of Shakti. As set out in the
first line of Adi Shankara's renowned Shakta hymn, Saundaryalahari
(c. 800 CE)...
Read more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism
On 12/15/2013 6:38 PM, yifuxero@... wrote:
Interesting, but MMY discarded this aspect of Devi worship; thus not following
in the footsteps of Guru Dev. I've not encountered any instances of MMY
promoting Devi worship, Sri Yantra or Sri Chakra pujas, or for that matter,
the knowledge of Tantric symbols, or any related practices, aside silent
repetition of the mantras. No japa or worship of the Sri Yantra, or the
Lalitasahasranama. .
...
OTOH, Ramana Maharshi - even though regarded as a pure Advaitin, had regular
daily Sri Chakra pujas conducted at his Ashram. So go figureMMY is a
Sabateur.effectively putting an end to Devi worship in that particular
lineage.
...
...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
Richard, what do you mean by Kama-rupa? On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu - an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They don't call it Mother India for nothing. A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional. Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a meditation that is transcendental. In tantric yoga, there are mental techniques and tools, such as mantra and yantra, asana, puja, etc., used as aids to meditation. A yantra is any design that symbolizes a void with the bindu at the center. Shakti is in fact, listed as a progenitor in the Guru Dev puja, right after Naryana. Shaktism's focus on the Divine Feminine does not imply a rejection of Masculine or Neuter divinity. However, both are deemed to be inactive in the absence of Shakti. As set out in the first line of Adi Shankara's renowned Shakta hymn, Saundaryalahari (c. 800 CE)... Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism On 12/15/2013 6:38 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting, but MMY discarded this aspect of Devi worship; thus not following in the footsteps of Guru Dev. I've not encountered any instances of MMY promoting Devi worship, Sri Yantra or Sri Chakra pujas, or for that matter, the knowledge of Tantric symbols, or any related practices, aside silent repetition of the mantras. No japa or worship of the Sri Yantra, or the Lalitasahasranama. . ... OTOH, Ramana Maharshi - even though regarded as a pure Advaitin, had regular daily Sri Chakra pujas conducted at his Ashram. So go figureMMY is a Sabateur.effectively putting an end to Devi worship in that particular lineage. ... ...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Shakti
Richard, do you know what the significance of a fence is? On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:30 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently all the TM mantras are feminine aspect mantras. There is no Shiva without Shakti. MMY fully supports the yantra as a golden dome, as pure vastu - an enclosure to realize pure consciousness; vastu is almost pure Shakti symbolism, and represents the universal womb. MMY is a proponent of yantra and Indian vastu and that's why the golden dome has an east-facing entrance with a nice fence around it - east is the traditional location of Kama-rupa. They don't call it Mother India for nothing. A 'yantra' can be any image, two-dimensional or three-dimensional. Yantras are tools for facilitating yogic enstasis, that is, a meditation that is transcendental. In tantric yoga, there are mental techniques and tools, such as mantra and yantra, asana, puja, etc., used as aids to meditation. A yantra is any design that symbolizes a void with the bindu at the center. Shakti is in fact, listed as a progenitor in the Guru Dev puja, right after Naryana. Shaktism's focus on the Divine Feminine does not imply a rejection of Masculine or Neuter divinity. However, both are deemed to be inactive in the absence of Shakti. As set out in the first line of Adi Shankara's renowned Shakta hymn, Saundaryalahari (c. 800 CE)... Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism On 12/15/2013 6:38 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting, but MMY discarded this aspect of Devi worship; thus not following in the footsteps of Guru Dev. I've not encountered any instances of MMY promoting Devi worship, Sri Yantra or Sri Chakra pujas, or for that matter, the knowledge of Tantric symbols, or any related practices, aside silent repetition of the mantras. No japa or worship of the Sri Yantra, or the Lalitasahasranama. . ... OTOH, Ramana Maharshi - even though regarded as a pure Advaitin, had regular daily Sri Chakra pujas conducted at his Ashram. So go figureMMY is a Sabateur.effectively putting an end to Devi worship in that particular lineage. ... ...
