Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I enjoyed your response till you went its all about Barry on my ass Richard. I am not on board with your use of the term inference and its validity in gaining knowledge on its own. It is one of the pieces of the epistemological puzzle and fraught with issues. Nor do I accept that the claim of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness I enjoyed your response till you went its all about Barry

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little more up to respond. Maybe! Definitely not as good as Sam Harris (-: Anyway, my questions are: 1. how do we know that we know? Which is kind of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little more up to respond. Maybe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, You are changing your tune today which is clearly not what you stated yesterday. Earlier, you said that everything that exists has no cause. Then you said that: As far as my experience is concerned, I have always existed. The body that gives me eyes seems to have had prior

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
, October 21, 2014 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little more up to respond. Maybe! Definitely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, Your points are excellent. It's good that you reminded us of Aristotle's idea regarding the first cause and principle. But it appears that there are some people here who will disagree with you on this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Trem23, Regarding Q1, you have to understand who started this thread in the first place. The person who started it is a self-proclaimed non-theist. You can ask him what this means. You may or may not get a consistent answer from him. Regarding Q2, MMY said that everything in the world

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes you got the spirit of my thoughts, and thanks for chiming in.The heart of it was this sentence: ' I include anything that is physical/material, or anything that interacts with the physical/material.' especially the . . . and anything that interacts with the physical/material because

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 12:07 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little more up to respond. Maybe! Definitely not as good as Sam Harris (-: According to Sam Harris consciousness is the only thing that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This is a lot of airy talk, though telling. My concern after having read it, is, I feel it was written by someone who takes less than complete responsibility for their life, and their personal thoughts and actions. Taking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :No Xeno, You are changing your tune today which is clearly not what you stated yesterday. Earlier, you said that everything that exists has no cause. Then you said that: As far as my experience is concerned, I have always

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote : there seem to be 2 questions running through this thread: 1) is a belief in God a mental illness and 2) is a belief in God justifiable. the first question is too cumbersome for me - having the notion of mental illness imbedded in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote : Yes you got the spirit of my thoughts, and thanks for chiming in.The heart of it was this sentence: ' I include anything that is physical/material, or anything that interacts with the physical/material.' especially the . .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
, October 21, 2014 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's such a delight to read something written by someone who can still think, Curtis. Thanks. The very IDEA that someone could

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote : Yes you got the spirit of my thoughts, and thanks for chiming in.The heart of it was this sentence: ' I include anything that is physical/material, or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/21/2014 1:57 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, Your points are excellent. It's good that you reminded us of Aristotle's idea regarding the first cause and principle. But it appears that there are some people here who will disagree with you on this point. /So

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I may not respond point by point Ann. You and I have our clear channel. I think we get each other. I am more of a one one one poster here. Steve nailed me recently. He said I respond to everyone in sympathetic response to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's a nice piece Ann. I feel as though I have a pretty good idea of the real person behind people's online persona. I think you might be referring to Barry in some of what you say here. I've had a changing relationship with him. He thinks I've changed. I think he's changed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-21 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, Thank you for your ideas. I believe we've exhausted this debate. There is no point to continue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :No Xeno, You are changing your tune today which is clearly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song and dance

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness x exists x does not exist I do not know what the phrase 'begins to exist' means, especially in regard to the universe as a whole. If x were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, Lenz was fucked up, no doubt about it, but I question that he aligned himself with the 'bad guys'. Despite confusion about it, and longstanding stories, there really are not any 'bad guys' who can produce any

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness No, people become insulted. A person saying x might be interpreted by y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
My personal take jr. is that those who insist actions have no causality, is that it gives them a free pass for screwing up their life, and then claiming, But, I couldn't have known!!. Curtis is a fairly unsuccessful street performer, and Barry has no skills or money, or relationships. Ever

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/19/2014 6:59 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, Are you saying that the human mind would not be able to fathom the meaning of begins to exist? If that is so, how is it possible for you to begin and end a project at work or at home? But we know that NASA has been able

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread nablusoss1008
Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him the opportunity to grow? What you seem to forget is that the Turq has been doing his negative routine here for many years without

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread nablusoss1008
Busking and begging for cents on the street-corners while singing the blues wasn't enough to provide him a descent living. The teaching job must have been sent from heaven !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't know what it means, explain it to me, as you seem to know what it means. That NASA sent Curiosity to Mars is not logically connected to your statement that 'it appears that humans know can understand the meaning of begins to exist. You may have connected it in your mind, but not in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
God would not make bitter, angry, inflexible curmudgeons if He in is sublime glory did not want it so. Let Thy will be done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were true, how much

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think you are on the right track Ann. Particularly nettle-some in a discussion of ultimate origins is time. In current cosmology, time-space did not exist prior to the universe, therefore there was no time before the universe's beginning and it is meaningless to speak of events or anything as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I agree, Ann. As I mentioned earlier, there is nothing helpful, educational, or socially acceptable in the way Barry acts, and that should be plainly obvious. Pointing it out is a normal response, much as I would comment to my wife and others, were Barry ranting and abusing others, in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No problem, however, God also, in His sublime glory, allows me to see Barry as the bitter, abusive, clueless, angry, broke, unhappy, emotionally stunted, romantically empty, little nobody, that he is! Yes, Praise God! Let Thy Will Be Done! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo. On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:42 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No alcoholics in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
More enabling, dude. You are in it, deep. Sometimes I just like crusty old bastards. You forgot to add, when they share the same bitter and empty world view, as I do. As I recall, you took me to task for saying fuck too often, so I doubt it is the crust you like, as much as someone living in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think you are on the right track Ann. Particularly nettle-some in a discussion of ultimate origins is time. In current cosmology, time-space did not exist prior to the universe, therefore there was no time before the universe's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo. Interesting analogy Share. But at some point you have to realize

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, Barry needs to learn to live with his karma, like the rest of the adults here. That is all it is. If it is uncomfortable for him, so what? We all have our lessons to learn, and the fact that being an asshole is not socially acceptable, carries consequences with it. Yes, we can all feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, Barry can own his own shit. He is a lousy human being, imo. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him with sticks is really

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
We need to be aware of the fact that there is physical causality and there is philosopical causality. In Buddhist philosophy, karma is the theory of action and result based on the theory of interdependent co-arising or dependent origination which states: everything arises in dependence upon

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
? *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo. On 10/20/2014 10:58 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Interesting analogy Share. But at some point you have to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to fill at the local

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
* this weak? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Or, that you're pulling a Curtis on us. M: It has not gone unnoticed that these little snipes are in place of your actually refuting what I wrote reasonably. It was you who proposed that the silly syllogism was a proof for God that would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, After a long introduction to your reasoning, you state that: I tend to prefer 'everything that exists has no cause'. Everything is just there. That is my position. IMO, you're statement is the same as saying everything that begins to exist has no cause. But, in either case, your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/20/2014 5:32 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Xeno, After a long introduction to your reasoning, you state that: I tend to prefer 'everything that exists has no cause'. Everything is just there. That is my position. Everything that exists has a cause. /The philosophical

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
'Everything that exists has no cause' is not the equivalent of 'everything that begins to exist has no cause'. No beginning is stated or implied. I said nothing about 'begins'. I was talking about existence without time. The eternity of space and things but no time. Like a still photograph,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, I'm flabbergasted at the statements you just said. In the physical existence of human beings here on earth, everyone has to have a mother and a father. Were you not created by your father's sperm that impregnated your mother's egg? Didn't she carry you in her womb for 9 months

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-20 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response hasn't changed my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, Your observation is excellent. It appears that for some people here think that being called a believer is uncool and, a worst, an Ebola case. As such, they avoid giving any logical evidence for their assertions in order to be undefined, ambiguous and definitely not known as a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Ann, Your observation is excellent. It appears that for some people here think that being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread nablusoss1008
You're both just loudmouthed, weak-minded louts, Typical of the Turq and a way of behaving he STILL carries with him from the time spent with his crazy guru.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Ann, Your observation is excellent. It appears that for some people here think that being called a believer is uncool and, a worst, an Ebola case. As such, they avoid giving any

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, without serious therapy, it is the only behavior he knows. It was deeply programmed into him, by someone who I believe, was simply a criminal. As much as I dislike Barry's behavior, he didn't dream it up on his own. However, he is still responsible, for its consequences, and for his lack

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, Your observation is excellent. It appears that for some people here think that being called a believer is uncool and, a worst, an Ebola case. As such, they avoid giving any logical evidence for their assertions in order to

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2014-10-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : John is *finally* starting to get it. I'm treating him (and other idiots that believe as he does) the way *they* (believers in the invisible man in the sky) have been treating non-believers for thousands of years. Back in

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2014-10-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You sound very much like Freddie, here, Barry. Here's the Lenz playbook: 1. Always go after the last one who disagreed with you. This is why jr. is finally coming in for some serious attention (abuse), from you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are both missing my point. I am not anti-belief. I have a million of them that I have chosen, and some that I just absorbed without good reasons. I am anti bad reasons supporting beliefs. Tomorrow I will be in a class of 5th graders using blues songs to demonstrate how you have to pay

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2014-10-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
that their subjective experience constitutes objective proof. It doesn't, and never will. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re

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2014-10-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness You are both missing my point. I am not anti-belief. I have a million of them that I have chosen, and some that I just absorbed without good reasons. I am anti bad reasons supporting beliefs. Tomorrow I will be in a class of 5th graders using

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
All good points, Curtis. Yeah, the God thing is a real conundrum. Something in this universe likes the polarity of it; can't prove it/it is everywhere. Unlike any rational argument, I cannot justify God in any other way, except for a subtle *sense* of His and Her work. There is no way to prove

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as

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2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness You are both missing my point. I am not anti-belief. I have a million of them that I have chosen, and some that I

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2014-10-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, my grad Film prof at Univ of Maryland said the same thing to a Film criticism class: that we could say anything about the film we were discussing, as long as we could back it up with evidence from the film itself. I love that kind of exercise, got an A on my paper about Peter Weir's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are activated. Wrong, Taxius. Barry is insulting people. Barry is cursing people's beliefs. Barry is denigrating people, distorting who they are, and treating them with incredible disrespect. We are not his guinea pigs. He, rather,

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2014-10-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for getting it. From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Logical

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2014-10-19 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I guess what I'm getting to is that basically we gotta get peaceful about not knowing anything for sure. Lately it's what works for me. M: I couldn't agree more. We do the best we can with what we got. Excellent post.

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2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, your comparison to watching movies is a good one, except that we are each watching a different movie, that none of the others have seen. So there is plenty of description and evidence, but it is largely meaningless to convey, as no one else has seen our movie. Glad you got an 'A' on the

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2014-10-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, I was comparing what my film prof said to his class to what Curtis was saying to his class. I wasn't comparing anything to watching movies. As for something being feeble, how's your reading comprehension these days?! On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:01 AM,

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2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The assumption in your grad school film class, was that everyone had seen the same film, and so was evaluating the same film. I certainly hope your esteemed prof had seen the Weir film you wrote about! Not the case with our unique consciousnesses. Each of us is, in effect, watching a

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2014-10-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, are there children reading these FFL comments?! I'm pretty sure people here have already made up their minds about the efficacy or harm of aspirin! As I've said many times here in true FFL redundant fashion, I don't evaluate states of consciousness of others. I go more by how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are activated. Wrong, Taxius. Barry is insulting people. Barry is cursing people's beliefs. Barry is denigrating people, distorting who they are, and treating

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2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, are there children reading these FFL comments?! That made me laugh, but not why you think. On the other hand, who knows who you tell this stuff to? For all I know, you were passing out flyers, at the nursery

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2014-10-19 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, Excellent observation of Barry's behavior here on this forum. IOW, he's become the self-proclaimed troll here. But I'm not sure if he really knows what he's doing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

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2014-10-19 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, Calm down. You're hallucinating or maybe you're delusional. I never said anything that you think I may have said. I merely said that you review the Kalam Cosmological Argument. You never responded to me about what you think about it. It was Curtis who responded about his

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2014-10-19 Thread nablusoss1008
The lurking reporters will have a hard time trying to figure out how much the hate-posts from the Turq are leftovers from his time with his Lentz-guru and how much is legitimate criticism of the TMO which he left. or as some claim; was kicked out of, more than 40 years ago. Journalism was never

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2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks - No, he is emulating Lenz, without thinking it through. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, Excellent observation of Barry's behavior here on this forum. IOW, he's become the self-proclaimed troll here. But I'm not sure if he really knows what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
e-n-a-b-l-e-r. Hadn't thought about that angle. Also likes to idealize Barry, and participate vicariously in his adventures. LOL - Your hilarious description of the nephew reminds me of Will Farrell's kids, in Talladega Nights. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No, people become insulted. A person saying x might be interpreted by y as an insult, but interpreted by z as a helpful hint. Being insulted is a response. What to some might seem a pox on their cherished tradition others might see as a reasonable evaluation of idiotic beliefs, or even

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I wasn't sure before, but you have clarified for me, that you are an enabler, of Barry's abusive behavior. There is nothing remotely helpful, or hinting, at cursing and insulting someone else, distorting their values and ideas. You really need to step back, and do a reality check. Barry is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : No, people become insulted. A person saying x might be interpreted by y as an insult, but interpreted by z as a helpful hint. Being insulted is a response. What to some might seem a pox on their cherished tradition others might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry's preferred definition of God appears to be an old man with a beard who resides above, and harshly judges people. He likes this characterization because he feels it is easier to lampoon. And he's been a roll lately. A target rich environment of his own making. No, it doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-19 Thread feste37
Fleet is right. Barry is capable of making decent posts but his recent efforts are no more than juvenile trolling. I don't know what he gets out of it. I read the Guardian a lot and they have a comments section. Sometimes moderators remove comments that don't follow Guardian guidelines. One of

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