[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. ??? When did Hawkings say that black holes may not exist? He paid off a bet about a specific implication about black holes that he now says is wrong. Just about everyone in physics and astronomy is convinced that black holes exist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. ??? When did Hawkings say that black holes may not exist? He paid off a bet about a specific implication about black holes that he now says is wrong. Just about everyone in physics and astronomy is convinced that black holes exist. About a year ago: After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week. The about-turn might cost Hawking, a physicist at the University of Cambridge, an encyclopaedia because of a bet he made in 1997. More importantly, it might solve one of the long-standing puzzles in modern physics, known as the black hole information paradox. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6151 The Hawking U-turn won John Preskill a book on baseball http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3913145.stm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. ??? When did Hawkings say that black holes may not exist? He paid off a bet about a specific implication about black holes that he now says is wrong. Just about everyone in physics and astronomy is convinced that black holes exist. About a year ago: After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week. The about-turn might cost Hawking, a physicist at the University of Cambridge, an encyclopaedia because of a bet he made in 1997. More importantly, it might solve one of the long-standing puzzles in modern physics, known as the black hole information paradox. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6151 The Hawking U-turn won John Preskill a book on baseball http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3913145.stm Just as I said. Hawking didn't say that black holes don't exist. He said he was wrong about them being perfect information-sinks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
