[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Milliannial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. Lawrence Foster , Journal of the Communal Studies Association v31-1, 2011 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
Choose your millenarian end-of-days and descent of Heaven on Earth. However, surveying the 60 years of Maharishi and TM in the West or even just the 4 decades of TM in Iowa the TM movement as a millenarian movement has tried everything and has both accommodated the larger culture, been suppressed some, and even dispersed. And it has changed the larger culture some too. Evidently was revolutionary in its time too. Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. Lawrence Foster , Journal of the Communal Studies Association v31-1, 2011 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly I say no, TMers and others who believe that a spiritual awakening is taking place are not millennialists. We may be cousins in the sense that the material world, of which millennialism partakes, is a cousin to the transcendent, but we're not the same. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
http://thisistheendoftheworldasweknowit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/december-21-2012-end-of-the-world.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly I say no, TMers and others who believe that a spiritual awakening is taking place are not millennialists. We may be cousins in the sense that the material world, of which millennialism partakes, is a cousin to the transcendent, but we're not the same. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. -Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
http://www.raptureme.com/vwp1.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. -Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
