[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
 night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 

And all will be one bud wiser? (every 15 minutes).

(gretchen wilson song)


 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
  
  
  BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
  FROM A PAPER BY
  AZIZ KRISTOF
  
  
  
  INTRODUCTION
  
  
  Although not always thought so as such,
  Advaita actually falls
  under the auspices of the three main branches of
  VEDANTA:
  
 1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic
  approach
  
 2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic
  approach
  
 3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure
  non-dualistic school. 
  
  The main exponent of Vedanta was the great
  sage Adi Sankara
  who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path.
  In western
  circles it is not unusual to blend the last two
  together as well as
  interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having
  the same meaning,
  becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves
  (satsang is often
  included as well). Generally speaking it works OK,
  but when fine
  tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is
  usually required.
  (source).
  
  Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in
  his Nonduality FAQ
  website, presents the following as well:
  
  Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means end
  of the Veda. The
  Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature,
  are books on
  mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are
  superhuman, their authority
  divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda
  marked the coming of
  the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual
  nature of reality, but
  which offer different levels of nondual
  understanding, and have even
  given rise dualism, which says that God and the
  human body are
  eternally separate.
  
  Providing the Introduction:
  the Wanderling
  
  
  
  The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
  
  We would like to express our concern regarding
  the recent
  phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion
  has impoverished
  seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days
  many individuals,
  who have very little or no knowledge at all about
  the Process of
  Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead
  other souls on the
  Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these
  days. Nobody actually
  really knows what is the meaning of this term as it
  virtually means
  everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient
  to say 'I am
  Awakened' in order to give satsang.
  
  Because of the unverifiable nature of
  Enlightenment, this term has
  been much manipulated. Satsang has been
  Americanized. In an average
  satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing
  signs of euphoric and
  unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look
  like he or she is in
  a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually
  meditate. Why to
  meditate if we are already all Awakened?
  
  But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor
  repetition of a
  several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You
  are That,' You are
  already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has
  this anything to do
  with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or
  Sri Ramana
  Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before
  he could be really
  complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate
  for months and
  years before they could receive from him the glimpse
  of the Self.
  
  It is true that New Millennium is a time of
  global awakening. But
  this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the
  level of most
  people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that
  there would be a
  time when many false teachers will teach in the name
  of Light. It
  seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers
  are not necessarily
  'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in
  truth. They have
  believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready
  to teach!'
  
  It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang
  culture began after
  the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started
  to claim that
  Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that
  they just took him
  too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you
  are already
  Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device
  than a reflection of
  reality. And even if some of his disciples had a
  glimpse of Awakening,
  Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither
  it was permanent
  nor the final state.
  
  
  An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to
  give satsang in
  the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and
  attract more
  westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought
  that Poonjaji
  actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that
  reason, Cohen became
  very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him
  when he began to act
  as a master. From this wound came 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
 night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 

So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-non-alcoholic beer state.
Thus = to the drunken state.  

Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls
drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead,
followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by
profound silence ? 

That was your forehead hitting the floor.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
  night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 
 
 So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-non-alcoholic beer state.
 Thus = to the drunken state.  
 
 Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls
 drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead,
 followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by
 profound silence ? 
 
 That was your forehead hitting the floor.


=

Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
transmits the true non-dual state.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just 
the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

How would we get it to stay in the bottle? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
that
  transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?


HA! Excellent!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
  transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?

Funny. But ...

How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
in darshan, do they?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Funny. But ...
 
 How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
 world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
 in darshan, do they?


IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if you can
listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human dimension.
Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In actual
formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I
remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra,
which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it till
hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it may be
days, weeks, months or years.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Funny. But ...
  
  How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
  world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
  in darshan, do they?
 
 
 IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if
you can
 listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human
dimension.
 Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In
actual
 formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I
 remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra,
 which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it
till
 hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it
may be
 days, weeks, months or years.


I must have missed that one.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I must have missed that one.

Probably not.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   
   Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
that
   transmits the true non-dual state.
  
  Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
just 
  the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
 
 Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor.

Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded 
self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I must have missed that one.
 
 Probably not.

If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength
darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time. 

So if everyone gets it, regardless if their awareness is in the
natural state and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the
value of close proximity darshan? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   

Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
 that
transmits the true non-dual state.
   
   Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
 just 
   the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
  
  Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor.
 
 Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded 
 self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 

It may seem so for the retarded. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- 
the beer 
  that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about 
THAT 
  just 
the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
   
   Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded 
humor.
  
  Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is 
retarded 
  self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 
 
 It may seem so for the retarded.

And for the non-retarded? How does it seem?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:22 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength
 darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time.

I was speaking of Dzogchen masters in particular--not all advaitis. The
teacher has to be in the primordial state. And no it's not going to apparent
to all people, unless they are listening from a very relaxed, natural state.
It will depend largely on your own clarity as to whether or not you'll will
have recognition. But even if you don't have recognition at that time, it
will be available at any other time. So you can have recognition outside of
formal transmission. For example I know one person who got it in the middle
of a three year retreat while he was offering the mandala. It was years
later and a different place from his original pointing-out instruction.

In the presence of a non-dual master who is teaching, you are entering a
non-dual mandala while still living in the human realm (primarily).

I would prefer not to use the word darshan--too ambiguous and associated
with the Muktananda trip, etc.
 
 So if everyone gets it, regardless if their awareness is in the
 natural state and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the
 value of close proximity darshan?

It's only a relative benefit. You have the benefit of seeing the master,
which from the POV of the non-dual state is as pure symbol. It's just
another opportunity to meet the center of the mandala. Of course you have
the added benefit of interacting with sangha, receiving oral instructions,
etc. There are numerous reasons as to why it is advantageous to be in
person.

Even if you don't get it in this life, when you do the Big Samadhi, it will
be there, as it has been countless times before.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
  beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?

By using Kline Bottles. 

http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm

Alex




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread eptfnj

 
 Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
 just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.

Brahman Beer

What can you say about it?
Not this, not this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
   Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
   beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
  
  How would we get it to stay in the bottle?
 
 By using Kline Bottles. 
 
 http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm
 
 Alex

Fantastic stuff. thanks

Feel free to post links to your other kewl stuff.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 2:11 PM, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brahman Beer
 
 What can you say about it?
 Not this, not this.

The Hangover that Lasts Forever

The Beer to Have When You're Having More Than None




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
 beer that transmits the true non-dual state.

I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a 6-pack to
drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. Really dark colored.
Hardly noticed any effect. I had just cut the grass so I was hot and
dehydrated. Maybe that's why.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
  beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a
6-pack to drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. 

Rick starts down that dark slippery slope.

I say we got trouple, trouple, right here in FF City. We got Trouble,
Trouble, with a Capitol T that rhymes with P that stands for Pool! (or
Purusha)

(apologies to the Music Man)




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