[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be. Thats a pretty big disconnect. If blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy were manfiestly core issues here, it might be of interest. Though labeling people, just for the sake of labeling, can get to be quite boring and IMO non-productive. In my view I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy -- but oddly, I do see some petty obsessions. I remember when Vaj first made the statement. It was not exactly earth shattering. A quick observation of some momentary interest. Not the kind of thing that would affect ones world view. Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. So my take away was, you were both correct in reporting your perceptions. You, Judy, were technically correct. Vaj, it was clear to me, made a perceptual or cognitive error, as I initially did, and reported what he thought he saw. Not a big deal. I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy. And its not a matter of much important to begin with. I mean its not like Vaj was testifying before the nation about intelligence on WMD. So to go on and on and on about this, over a three month period, appears a bit curious to me. IMO, to me, it reveals quite a bit more about you than about Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be. Thats a pretty big disconnect. If blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy were manfiestly core issues here, it might be of interest. Though labeling people, just for the sake of labeling, can get to be quite boring and IMO non-productive. In my view I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy -- but oddly, I do see some petty obsessions. I remember when Vaj first made the statement. It was not exactly earth shattering. A quick observation of some momentary interest. Not the kind of thing that would affect ones world view. Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. So my take away was, you were both correct in reporting your perceptions. You, Judy, were technically correct. Vaj, it was clear to me, made a perceptual or cognitive error, as I initially did, and reported what he thought he saw. Not a big deal. Mm-hm. And yet, had it been just a mistake, after I made my post reporting on Gratzon's book, you'd think Vaj would have double-checked and then retracted his claim. *Then* it would not have been a big deal; anybody can make a careless mistake like that. But he didn't. Instead he came up with all kinds of crap, such as citing get-rich-quick schemes in the Fairfield community, as if that supported his original claim; announcing that he wasn't going to do *my* homework for me, as if he had not been the one to make the claim in the first place; claiming that even if he did provide the URLs of the Web sites he had in mind, I wouldn't believe them; and finally telling *me* to do a search for the sites in question, as though they actually existed. So I'm afraid the most likely conclusion is that he intended to deceive from the start, hoping that most folks wouldn't bother to check up on him, and that anybody who did do a search wouldn't click through the hits and discover that the sites all had to do with Gratzon's book. (The point of the exercise, of course, having been to suggest that TMers are greedily preoccupied with making money and thus vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes, especially if they're advertised using TM slogans.) What we know *for sure* is that having been informed of his error, Vaj first threw down a red herring of Fairfield get-rich-quick schemes, then when that didn't work, attempted to stonewall and pretend that there indeed were such sites but that somehow I was too incompetent to find them. Now, I don't know what your standards are for blatant dishonesty, but the above more than meets mine, even if Vaj's original claim was just a dumb mistake. The *hypocrisy* part is, of course, that Vaj frequently scornfully accuses MMY and the TMO of being dishonest in various ways (as with his most recent comment about the TM studies that inspired me to bring up the purported Web sites claim again). I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy. And its not a matter of much important to begin with. I mean its not like Vaj was testifying before the nation about intelligence on WMD. It's not like anybody here is testifying on such important matters. But Vaj *does* testify about matters that are important to many here, quite a few of whom seem to consider him to be a font of authoritative information. So it appears to me to be important to know that he is willing to lie in the service of his agenda, and accordingly take other pronouncements that he makes about MMY and TM and the TMO--and quite possibly other things as well--with a good-sized salt shaker handy. So to go on and on and on about this, over a three month period, appears a bit curious to me. IMO, to me, it reveals quite a bit more about you than about Vaj. I'm happy to have it revealed that I am intolerant of deliberate falsehood. I suspect most people here have long since figured that out, however. As for Vaj, perhaps you don't consider it much of a revelation that, at the very least, he will lie to cover up his errors. I disagree; I think that's a pretty important character trait to know about. Oh, and by the way, I have not been going on and on about this over a three-month period. I posted about it right after Vaj made his claim, but I don't believe I brought
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be. Thats a pretty big disconnect. If blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy were manfiestly core issues here, it might be of interest. Though labeling people, just for the sake of labeling, can get to be quite boring and IMO non-productive. In my view I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy -- but oddly, I do see some petty obsessions. I remember when Vaj first made the statement. It was not exactly earth shattering. A quick observation of some momentary interest. Not the kind of thing that would affect ones world view. Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. So my take away was, you were both correct in reporting your perceptions. You, Judy, were technically correct. Vaj, it was clear to me, made a perceptual or cognitive error, as I initially did, and reported what he thought he saw. Not a big deal. Mm-hm. And yet, had it been just a mistake, after I made my post reporting on Gratzon's book, you'd think Vaj would have double-checked and then retracted his claim. *Then* it would not have been a big deal; anybody can make a careless mistake like that. But he didn't. Instead he came up with all kinds of crap, I took it as Vaj playing with you. Knowing that if he obsuficated a bit, you would tend towards imploding in obsession. Barry enjoys such toying also. Perhaps not the noblest of traits, but maybe they are students of the behavioral sciences and love to see small pieces of bait repeatedly taken and watch the predictable drama unfold. ... (The point of the exercise, of course, having been to suggest that TMers are greedily preoccupied with making money and thus vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes, especially if they're advertised using TM slogans.) From I have seen in 35+ years,in and around the movement: 1) TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied with making money quickly. 2) TM teachers and govs are often open to magical thinking, often lack much critical evaluation, logic and analytical skills, and therefore are vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes. 3) TM teachers and govs are often have talked the talk of incredible undemonstrated stuff for so long, using TM slogans and lingo, that BS can often make great sense to them hey its just like . They do draw parallels and analogies as if this were a proof. And worse yet, often the analogies are to nebulous, abstract unproven stuff to begin with from TMO-world. What we know *for sure* is that having been informed of his error, Vaj first threw down a red herring of Fairfield get-rich-quick schemes, then when that didn't work, attempted to stonewall and pretend that there indeed were such sites but that somehow I was too incompetent to find them. Or he was playing with you. Lots of possible interpretations here. You may know it for sure -- just as we all claim to believe our interpreation of things, becasue they so clearly makes sense, it obviously (to us) is correct. Now, I don't know what your standards are for blatant dishonesty, but the above more than meets mine, even if Vaj's original claim was just a dumb mistake. Yes, your threshold is way way lower than mine. It's not like anybody here is testifying on such important matters. But Vaj *does* testify about matters that are important to many here, quite a few of whom seem to consider him to be a font of authoritative information. And we all take what he says, as with what anyone else says, with some grains of salt, based on OUR own appraisal of their tendency towards veracity. How you evealuate Vaj's tendency towards veracity is really of little consequence and interest to me. And I would guess most. We can and do make our own appraisals. So it appears to me to be important to know that he is willing to lie in the service of his agenda, Or he sometimes plays with people, throws out some bait to see if the age old patterns emerge. and accordingly take other pronouncements that he makes about MMY and TM and the TMO --and quite possibly other things as well--with a good-sized salt shaker handy. We all have our salt shakers. But if anything, your focus on this incident gives Vaj more credibiliy not less, in my view of
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
From my 35+ years in and around the movement, I've not observed this. I think you could argue that the reverse is true, at least as far as your first point is concerned. A lot of TM teachers and governors are not preoccupied with making money at all, whether quickly or slowly. They have a more spiritual orientation to life and are not so concerned with the accumulation of material things. The gullibility and stupidity you ascribe to them seems unfair, to say the least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From I have seen in 35+ years,in and around the movement: 1) TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied with making money quickly. 2) TM teachers and govs are often open to magical thinking, often lack much critical evaluation, logic and analytical skills, and therefore are vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes. 3) TM teachers and govs are often have talked the talk of incredible undemonstrated stuff for so long, using TM slogans and lingo, that BS can often make great sense to them hey its just like . They do draw parallels and analogies as if this were a proof. And worse yet, often the analogies are to nebulous, abstract unproven stuff to begin with from TMO-world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
You are correct in that in rereading what I wrote, I should have said something like a visible minority of TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied I didn't mean to say all TM teachers are like that -- I wrote it too hastily. I agree with you A lot of TM teachers and governors are not preoccupied with making money at all, whether quickly or slowly. The majority. My point is that I have seen a lot of others who reflect the characteristics of my points. And it appears to me a higher proportion than found in society as a whole, though maybe I tend to hang with maintstream career types and my vision is skewed. There certainly is a lot of mojo in the lottery. Though I don't personally know many people who buy such lousy odds gambles. And my personal experience with easy money teachers was in the 70's and then looking a bit at a distance in the 80's and 90's -- with periodic personal encounters that appeared to confirm what I was seeing and hearing from afar. And FF appears to have had its share, actually a higher share than mainstream society from what I can tell, of scam artists, easy money schemes etc. Along with a lot of hard working people in intelligently concieved businesses. So sorry if my observations were overgeneralized, but for a segment of teachers, I still believe its a fair characterization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my 35+ years in and around the movement, I've not observed this. I think you could argue that the reverse is true, at least as far as your first point is concerned. A lot of TM teachers and governors are not preoccupied with making money at all, whether quickly or slowly. They have a more spiritual orientation to life and are not so concerned with the accumulation of material things. The gullibility and stupidity you ascribe to them seems unfair, to say the least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From I have seen in 35+ years,in and around the movement: 1) TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied with making money quickly. 2) TM teachers and govs are often open to magical thinking, often lack much critical evaluation, logic and analytical skills, and therefore are vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes. 3) TM teachers and govs are often have talked the talk of incredible undemonstrated stuff for so long, using TM slogans and lingo, that BS can often make great sense to them hey its just like . They do draw parallels and analogies as if this were a proof. And worse yet, often the analogies are to nebulous, abstract unproven stuff to begin with from TMO-world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 1:42 PM, akasha_108 wrote: ... (The point of the exercise, of course, having been to suggest that TMers are greedily preoccupied with making money and thus vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes, especially if they're advertised using TM slogans.) From I have seen in 35+ years,in and around the movement: 1) TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied with making money quickly. 2) TM teachers and govs are often open to magical thinking, often lack much critical evaluation, logic and analytical skills, and therefore are vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes. 3) TM teachers and govs are often have talked the talk of incredible undemonstrated stuff for so long, using TM slogans and lingo, that BS can often make great sense to them hey its just like . They do draw parallels and analogies as if this were a proof. And worse yet, often the analogies are to nebulous, abstract unproven stuff to begin with from TMO-world. Precisely. This was one of the points I've made to Judy--this is a well-known dynamic IF you were in those circles. It would appear she is not familiar with this (or is pretending not to be), so what is there to discuss? You either've seen this or you haven't. And much of this may be past now that the TMO is essentially dying and little or no new blood coming in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:43 AM, akasha_108 wrote: Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. Yes. However it seems this work has spawned numerous other splinter groups--thus the large number of hits on google, etc. Nonetheless Judy doesn't believe (or simply doesn't want to believe) that this is a 'get rich quick scheme, thus there is no need to discuss further if she has solidified her belief. I hesitate to even mention this because it will simply will start a new chain of endless responses sigh. In addition there were numerous get-rick-quick schemes in the past, when the boomer generation was much younger, but primarily among business types. You think this stuff is obsessional if it goes on a couple of months? Try watching over years. At least a rat in a maze gets shocked a couple of times and stops. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] but maybe they are students of the behavioral sciences and love to see small pieces of bait repeatedly taken and watch the predictable drama unfold. ... But it's clearly not what Vaj was doing, if you go back and actually read his posts. And yet you have taken the bait (non-existant as you seem to think it is). Yeah, but we know this for sure. I'm reporting what he actually *said*, you see. No, you are reporting your interpretation of what he said. Now, I don't know what your standards are for blatant dishonesty, but the above more than meets mine, even if Vaj's original claim was just a dumb mistake. Yes, your threshold is way way lower than mine. I'm sorry to hear that. Now we know you can't be trusted either. Wow, I am now thrown in to pit with all the other liars and total scoundrels, just because I have a different standard than you for trivial vs substantial things to worry about. Oh, please don't report me to the Thought Police oh kind and worthy Commissaress. As it happens, though, as I just pointed out, many people here seem to take everything Vaj says as gospel. HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Any hands? Who among us takes everything Vaj says as Gospel? (And if you do, I have a wonderful little seminar on making millions in 3 weeks, that I invite you to attend.) So it appears to me to be important to know that he is willing to lie in the service of his agenda, And what is his agenda? I'm happy to have it revealed that I am intolerant of deliberate falsehood. Or your perception of deliberate falsehood. Belief doesn't neessarily make it (deliberate falsehood) so. Yeah, this isn't belief; we have the evidence of his own words, you see. Thats what is so fascinating. You actually beleive you can absolutely impute his motive from words words. We have words that he uttered (trivial, IMO) falsehoods. We do not have words that PROVE his motives. His motives are your interpretation of what he said. *Even if* he were just trying to get a rise out of me-- which there are excellent reasons to think was not the case--he was still perpetrating a deliberate falsehood. The first time around, it *could* have been a mistake-- not likely, but possible. His *defense* was obviously intentionally false, on its face. No, you are reporting your interpretation of what he said. Of course, he could easily come forward now, claim he was just baiting me in his defense, and explain that he had initially made an error--that is, if he wanted to set the record straight. I'm guessing he doesn't, but we'll see. Come on down Vaj! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Only George I presume. Or are you burning the whole family at the stake? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:28 PM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Only George I presume. Or are you burning the whole family at the stake? We threw in Ann Coulter for good measure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. I saw the movie, wide screen version of the 10 commandments at a tender impressionable age. The scene I most remember was the burning bush. It was like, yeah, thats worth finding What is your take on the burning bush? Most interpretations I have heard are kundalini rising and illuminating the web of channels and energy pathways, particularly the crown chakra, which is said to resemble a burning bush. And it is from this illumined state, the word of god is heard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:28 PM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Only George I presume. Or are you burning the whole family at the stake? We threw in Ann Coulter for good measure. Ah, I thought I heard something cackling in the fire. (its funny though. She hangs with Bill Maher sometimes. On his show, she laughs at his pot jokes -- and smiles at strong indendos about the two of them getting it on. Does she take a somewhat different view from her conservative brethen on personal freedom issues? Fornication? Drugs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. I saw the movie, wide screen version of the 10 commandments at a tender impressionable age. The scene I most remember was the burning bush. It was like, yeah, thats worth finding What is your take on the burning bush? Most interpretations I have heard are kundalini rising and illuminating the web of channels and energy pathways, particularly the crown chakra, which is said to resemble a burning bush. And it is from this illumined state, the word of god is heard. Charlston Heston saw the burning bush, heard the word of god, and became president of the NRA. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:32 PM, akasha_108 wrote: What is your take on the burning bush? Most interpretations I have heard are kundalini rising and illuminating the web of channels and energy pathways, particularly the crown chakra, which is said to resemble a burning bush. And it is from this illumined state, the word of god is heard. According to the Kabbalah, the whole exodus trip is about the journey of the soul from bondage or Mizraim (Egypt) to the higher planes. For example the parting of the Red Sea is transition from one plane to another. Eventually Moseh ascends Mount Sinai and this is the closest you can come to God/HaShem and still live. You cannot look at God and live--this is the Kabbalistic idea of isplakaria or reflection, you must look at God in a mirror rather than face-to- face. The burning bush is the mirror. In Sri Vidya this would be the vimarsha-shakti--the energy of the mirror at the centermost triangle of the Sri Chakra. It's the power behind phenomenal appearances. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:37 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Ah, I thought I heard something cackling in the fire. (its funny though. She hangs with Bill Maher sometimes. On his show, she laughs at his pot jokes -- and smiles at strong indendos about the two of them getting it on. Does she take a somewhat different view from her conservative brethen on personal freedom issues? Fornication? Drugs? Not sure but I always found her very refreshing on that show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:37 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Ah, I thought I heard something cackling in the fire. (its funny though. She hangs with Bill Maher sometimes. On his show, she laughs at his pot jokes -- and smiles at strong indendos about the two of them getting it on. Does she take a somewhat different view from her conservative brethen on personal freedom issues? Fornication? Drugs? Not sure but I always found her very refreshing on that show. Yea, its almost like she is human. Shes funny, bright, witty. Laughs a lot. Then you see her on a cable news show appearance and she is spitting venom and fire. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 1:42 PM, akasha_108 wrote: ... (The point of the exercise, of course, having been to suggest that TMers are greedily preoccupied with making money and thus vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes, especially if they're advertised using TM slogans.) From I have seen in 35+ years,in and around the movement: 1) TM teachers and govs are often preoccupied with making money quickly. 2) TM teachers and govs are often open to magical thinking, often lack much critical evaluation, logic and analytical skills, and therefore are vulnerable to get-rich-quick schemes. 3) TM teachers and govs are often have talked the talk of incredible undemonstrated stuff for so long, using TM slogans and lingo, that BS can often make great sense to them hey its just like . They do draw parallels and analogies as if this were a proof. And worse yet, often the analogies are to nebulous, abstract unproven stuff to begin with from TMO-world. Precisely. This was one of the points I've made to Judy--this is a well-known dynamic IF you were in those circles. It would appear she is not familiar with this (or is pretending not to be), so what is there to discuss? Bullshit. As Vaj well knows, I never expressed an opinion about it one way or the other, because it had nothing to do with his false claim about the Web sites. It was a red herring he introduced to distract attention from the fact that he couldn't produce URLs of the nonexistent sites he had made up out of whole cloth. Just one more example of dishonesty from Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:43 AM, akasha_108 wrote: Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. Yes. However it seems this work has spawned numerous other splinter groups--thus the large number of hits on google, etc. No, it hasn't. Cite one. Nonetheless Judy doesn't believe (or simply doesn't want to believe) that this is a 'get rich quick scheme, thus there is no need to discuss further if she has solidified her belief. I hesitate to even mention this because it will simply will start a new chain of endless responses sigh. Yes, I'll usually respond to lies, Vaj. The book is *not* a get-rich-quick scheme, not even remotely, as anybody can tell by reading the descriptions. It isn't a matter of belief or even opinion. You are misrepresenting the facts. It's just that simple, and just that ugly. In addition there were numerous get-rick-quick schemes in the past, when the boomer generation was much younger, but primarily among business types. You think this stuff is obsessional if it goes on a couple of months? Try watching over years. At least a rat in a maze gets shocked a couple of times and stops. So why don't you stop, Vaj? If you didn't continue to lie, I wouldn't keep calling you on it, and you wouldn't have to keep trying to weasel out of the lies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. I saw the movie, wide screen version of the 10 commandments at a tender impressionable age. The scene I most remember was the burning bush. It was like, yeah, thats worth finding What is your take on the burning bush? Most interpretations I have heard are kundalini rising and illuminating the web of channels and energy pathways, particularly the crown chakra, which is said to resemble a burning bush. And it is from this illumined state, the word of god is heard. Charlston Heston saw the burning bush, heard the word of god, and became president of the NRA. Go figure. And then developed Alzheimer's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be. Thats a pretty big disconnect. If blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy were manfiestly core issues here, it might be of interest. Though labeling people, just for the sake of labeling, can get to be quite boring and IMO non-productive. In my view I don't see blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy -- but oddly, I do see some petty obsessions. I remember when Vaj first made the statement. It was not exactly earth shattering. A quick observation of some momentary interest. Not the kind of thing that would affect ones world view. Then I remember your correction: it wasn't a bunch of quick rich schemes after all, it was Fred G.s book. Curious, I did a search myself. The first page was filled with what looked like get rich quick schemes based on do less accomplish more (or do nothing accomplish everything). Upon closer examination, I saw they all related to Fred's book. So my take away was, you were both correct in reporting your perceptions. You, Judy, were technically correct. Vaj, it was clear to me, made a perceptual or cognitive error, as I initially did, and reported what he thought he saw. Not a big deal. Mm-hm. And yet, had it been just a mistake, after I made my post reporting on Gratzon's book, you'd think Vaj would have double-checked and then retracted his claim. *Then* it would not have been a big deal; anybody can make a careless mistake like that. But he didn't. Instead he came up with all kinds of crap, I took it as Vaj playing with you. Knowing that if he obsuficated a bit, you would tend towards imploding in obsession. Barry enjoys such toying also. Perhaps not the noblest of traits, but maybe they are students of the behavioral sciences and love to see small pieces of bait repeatedly taken and watch the predictable drama unfold. I understand that BF Skinner's daughter greatly appreciated this tendency in her father. She has had nothing but good to say about his child-rearing practices, afterall... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:28 PM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Only George I presume. Or are you burning the whole family at the stake? We threw in Ann Coulter for good measure. Ann Coulter is gay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:28 PM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 4:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: HAHAHA. I don't think even Vaj takes everthing hes says as Gospel. Only the stuff the Burning Bush tells me to. But that book won't be released until 2012. Only George I presume. Or are you burning the whole family at the stake? We threw in Ann Coulter for good measure. Ah, I thought I heard something cackling in the fire. (its funny though. She hangs with Bill Maher sometimes. On his show, she laughs at his pot jokes -- and smiles at strong indendos about the two of them getting it on. Does she take a somewhat different view from her conservative brethen on personal freedom issues? Fornication? Drugs? She's stated that living the meat market life in bars is no big deal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on your observations. As you note, science is, at its best, an international, public discourse. I can understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data for reasons that have nothing to do with this discourse. All movement research is for one purpose only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested in developing a coherent theory of the field effects of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU researchers won't hand over the raw data because the ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and more traditional, statistical methods used in this type of research. You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...? Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all the time. How could we miss it? And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of us all the time, by golly, it must be true. Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? Right after you deposit the 175 dollars an hour research fee into my PayPay account. A two hour retainer should be sufficient. Well, no, you had already *done* the research, obviously. Otherwise you would have had no basis for making that claim. So tell us--just give us a few examples--of the Web sites you were referring to. No need to do any additional research. Really, anyone who spent time in the movement and had NOT come across people trying to hatch get-rich-quick schemes, just hasn't been around. That may be, but it's not the issue here, you see. The issue is all those Web sites you claimed linked MMY's Do nothing and accomplish everything to get- rich-quick schemes. So let's see a few examples of the sites you had in mind, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on your observations. As you note, science is, at its best, an international, public discourse. I can understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data for reasons that have nothing to do with this discourse. All movement research is for one purpose only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested in developing a coherent theory of the field effects of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU researchers won't hand over the raw data because the ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and more traditional, statistical methods used in this type of research. You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...? Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all the time. How could we miss it? And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of us all the time, by golly, it must be true. Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund and Jack Normand try to hatch ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj. Put up or shut up. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: snip Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund and Jack Normand try to hatch ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj. What, our Vaj, a bullshitter? Say not so! That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite. How is that possible? I mean, he just got done telling us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the TM researchers are scam artists. Put up or shut up. Or as Vaj would say, Wake up and smell the Raja's Cup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: snip Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund and Jack Normand try to hatch ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj. What, our Vaj, a bullshitter? Say not so! That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite. How is that possible? I mean, he just got done telling us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the TM researchers are scam artists. Come to think of it, perhaps it takes one to know one... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: snip Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund and Jack Normand try to hatch ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj. What, our Vaj, a bullshitter? Say not so! That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite. How is that possible? I mean, he just got done telling us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the TM researchers are scam artists. Put up or shut up. Or as Vaj would say, Wake up and smell the Raja's Cup. I think Vaj is in trouble with his Sales Manager because his sales figures for October are down. If he doesn't get 50% more conversions to his sect in November, then he will lose his Christmas Bonus and his 14 day vacation in Florida. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: snip Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield? No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). Promised to make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars. What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes, Vaj? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: snip Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield? No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). Promised to make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars. What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes, Vaj? Like someone once opined here 'there will always be some people who will believe everything M. teaches until they see pictures of him loading dead babies with a pitchfork from a truck'. And I'd bet that a lot of them would believe it was actually a new knowledge being brought out on 'Maharishi Vedic Abortion' or something. There will always be these people. So tell me, why should I waste my time on you? Honestly, given your posts over many years, I wouldn't be surprised if I found you on my doorstep one day, Science of Being in hand and a cart of research tomes and charts in tow, ready to convert me a la the Jehovah's Witnesses. I hardly am interested in wasting my time on something which--no matter how compelling--you wouldn't believe anyways. Really, I have better things to do. I'm sure you can do a web search Judith. If not, there are courses taught at many community colleges. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: snip Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield? No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). Promised to make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars. What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes, Vaj? Like someone once opined here 'there will always be some people who will believe everything M. teaches until they see pictures of him loading dead babies with a pitchfork from a truck'. And I'd bet that a lot of them would believe it was actually a new knowledge being brought out on 'Maharishi Vedic Abortion' or something. There will always be these people. So tell me, why should I waste my time on you? Honestly, given your posts over many years, I wouldn't be surprised if I found you on my doorstep one day, Science of Being in hand and a cart of research tomes and charts in tow, ready to convert me a la the Jehovah's Witnesses. Idiotic, and a complete non sequitur to boot. I hardly am interested in wasting my time on something which--no matter how compelling--you wouldn't believe anyways. Really, I have better things to do. I'm asking you to back up a claim you made. Do you really think if you supplied a couple of URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's Do nothing and accomplish everything to get- rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd refuse to believe they existed? That's pretty silly, Vaj. But even so, there must be others here whom you would consider reasonable who are now wondering why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. I'm sure you can do a web search Judith. If not, there are courses taught at many community colleges. Yes, as you know, I did a search already and was unable to locate any such sites. That's why I'm asking you to produce the URLs to the ones you already claim to have found. It's a simple request, Vaj. You've spent more time and effort explaining why you don't want to do it than it would have taken you to do in the first place. Now, why would that be? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
Alright, Judy, I did the search. (That'll be $175, Vaj. Just send it to my PO box. :) And came up with exactly one. Sal On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:49 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm asking you to back up a claim you made. Do you really think if you supplied a couple of URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's Do nothing and accomplish everything to get- rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd refuse to believe they existed? That's pretty silly, Vaj. But even so, there must be others here whom you would consider reasonable who are now wondering why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, Judy, I did the search. (That'll be $175, Vaj. Just send it to my PO box. :) And came up with exactly one. And it was...? Sal On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:49 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm asking you to back up a claim you made. Do you really think if you supplied a couple of URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's Do nothing and accomplish everything to get- rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd refuse to believe they existed? That's pretty silly, Vaj. But even so, there must be others here whom you would consider reasonable who are now wondering why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
http://ca-foreignbooks.books-online-store.net/case/foreignbooks/business-and-investing/general/1883669_7.html On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alright, Judy, I did the search. (That'll be $175, Vaj. Just send > it to my PO box. :) And came up with exactly one. And it was...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on your observations. As you note, science is, at its best, an international, public discourse. I can understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data for reasons that have nothing to do with this discourse. All movement research is for one purpose only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested in developing a coherent theory of the field effects of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU researchers won't hand over the raw data because the ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and more traditional, statistical methods used in this type of research. You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...? Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all the time. How could we miss it? And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of us all the time, by golly, it must be true. Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-rich-quick schemes? Right after you deposit the 175 dollars an hour research fee into my PayPay account. A two hour retainer should be sufficient. Really, anyone who spent time in the movement and had NOT come across people trying to hatch get-rich-quick schemes, just hasn't been around. I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund and Jack Normand try to hatch. Jack even started a course on it and got us to attend his seminar. He thought he was enlightened at the time. And they were convinced that enlightenment and wealth went hand in hand. If you're a householder, why wouldn't it be that way? ENlightenment should mean (in my understanding) that your dharma is in harmony with your lifestyle, and for a householder, comfort, wealth (to some extent), and other signs of relative success should be obvious. THat doesn't mean that the wealthy should be enlightened, but that someone who is enlightened within the householder tradition should be well off at least... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
Actually The one I just sent in was Do less and accomplish more + get rich quick But then I remembered you were talking about Do nothing and accomplish everything + get rich quick (I thought it didn't look right the second time.) So here's that one--it's the original one I found: http://www.attracting-prosperity.com/powerful-sleep.html On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alright, Judy, I did the search. (That'll be $175, Vaj. Just send > it to my PO box. :) And came up with exactly one. And it was...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ca-foreignbooks.books-online-store.net/case/foreignbooks/ business-and-investing/general/1883669_7.html Sal, this is a page of books from Amazon in Canada on business and investing; it's not about a get-rich- quick scheme. And I was unable to find any mention of Do nothing and accomplish everything anywhere on the page. Can you say why you thought this had something to do with Vaj's claim that Do nothing and accomplish everything was linked on the Web to get-rich-quick schemes? On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, Judy, I did the search. (That'll be $175, Vaj. Just send it to my PO box. :) And came up with exactly one. And it was...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
On Nov 12, 2005, at 6:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Sal, this is a page of books from Amazon in Canada on business and investing; it's not about a get-rich- quick scheme. Oh. Well, at least I get an A for effort, if nothing else. And I was unable to find any mention of Do nothing and accomplish everything anywhere on the page. Can you say why you thought this had something to do with Vaj's claim that Do nothing and accomplish everything was linked on the Web to get-rich-quick schemes? See my next message.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually The one I just sent in was Do less and accomplish more + get rich quick Gee, Sal, even with Do less... this doesn't qualify; it's not a get-rich-quick scheme at all but a $27.95 (Canadian) book on time management. But then I remembered you were talking about Do nothing and accomplish everything + get rich quick (I thought it didn't look right the second time.) So here's that one--it's the original one I found: http://www.attracting-prosperity.com/powerful-sleep.html This is the book by TM teacher Fred Gratzon I described when I first checked out Vaj's claim on the Web. Sorry, but it isn't a get-rich-quick scheme either. Here's one testimonial that describes it: - Having read the Lazy Way to Success, I feel my definition of achiving success has changed quite dramatically. I feel that book has made me think differently about my approach to work. Today, I think that to have fun at work, to be passionate about what I do, and to carefully think before I do, is more important than having my nose to the grindstone. I would recommend this book to anyone who wishes to achieve success in life and despite the title of this book, is willing to work at it, of course in the right way. The book emphasises approach over sheer hard work. The book makes one think about one's priorities in life. The book has transformed my daily routine in fact I no longer go to work for the sake of work. I go to the office to bring value to the lives of my co-workers, to help them find their true calling in life. The book is a noble journey a pilgrimage to success. -- The book appears to be more about *fulfillment* than monetary success per se, and it certainly isn't a get-rich-quick scheme of the type Vaj has been talking about. So he must have had some other Web sites in mind. Or not, as the case may be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
ROFL. Well, I guess if anyone should know about doing nothing and getting rich, it's him. How he's able to live the way he does after having run so many businesses into the ground is a mystery for sure. Sal On Nov 12, 2005, at 6:47 PM, authfriend wrote: This is the book by TM teacher Fred Gratzon I described when I first checked out Vaj's claim on the Web. Sorry, but it isn't a get-rich-quick scheme either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you refuse to do such a simple thing as supply some URLs that you claim already to have found. And this is important, or even interesting, because ? Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
