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and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? Miserable. Go figger as RIchy likes to say On Sat, 5/3/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 5:45 PM Maharishi: “All don't have to meditate. Just some small percentage in society will be enough.”[281] -1968-9 “This was borne out at the end of 1974 when it was found that in cities where the number of meditators had reached one percent the crime rate decreased significantly.”Conversations with Maharishi, Vol I. Vernon Katz, MUM Press 2001 “Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process by which it is fulfilled. Life begins in a natural way, it evolves, and happiness expands. The expansion of happiness carries with it the growth of intelligence, power, creativity and everything that may be said to be of significance in life.” -The Science of Being and Art of Living -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi [1963] = = = 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.” Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation
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On 5/3/2014 3:21 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? If you had been doing TM for all these years things might have turned out better. Miserable. Maybe for you Go figger as RIchy likes to say Now look what you've done! Thanks a lot, Pal. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/3/2014 4:22 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: or another way of looking at it, is, how is your world today? miserable? Barry, when he gets back from Amsterdam, will probably scoff at this, because his life is wonderful and fulfilling - and he does not ascribe to the First of the Buddha's Four Noble Truths - the truth of suffering. Apparently MJ is of the Buddhist persuasion, thinking that the world is marked by misery all around, in never ending cycles of samsara, brought about by karma. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? Miserable. Go figger as RIchy likes to say --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 2/20/2014 9:02 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: *Poor Buck, caught in his head, full of cotton wool and dreams of being a preacher. Preach away but your seeds of supplication are falling on rocky ground. No one cares, no one's listening. You might want to go find a more receptive audience somewhere else. You can't change the minds of these heathens here at FFL.* Maybe you should have read the troll report posted by Rick. Go figure. http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2014/02/18/how-to-eat-an-internet-troll/
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I like many others around am willing to be convinced, but it will take more to convince me than Marshy says... or believing it cuz King Tony, Bevan or some all like Neal Patterson says it. There is no scientific validity to ANY of the so-called studies done on the so-called Maharishi Effect. I am not an idiot. If it were actually possible to create world peace in the Domes I would be living in Fairfield. You can't even create peace at the University itself, let alone Fairfield or Jefferson County. If such a thing as the Marshy Effect existed, it would have to be most powerful at the epicenter and it is not. I remember very well the infighting at MIU, the discourtesy and disparagement for example that would pass back and forth between the Israelis and the Palestinians. I remember the townie pervert who was sneaking into the girls dorm and exposing himself to them in their bathroom whilst smoking a cigar then running away (and the lame and ineffective attempts by the so-called MIU security people to try to catch him - took them weeks - of course that may have been because that jackass James Bedinger was in charge of security by then) So when you produce actual proof, more than Marshy says and a study by some Movement sycophant so-called scientist, then I will come do program in the Dome. On Thu, 2/20/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014, 2:35 PM Well, seems that you left the meditating movement a long time ago. Kind of spiritually sad now that you dropped out back when you did. Obviously you have not been in the Dome lately listening to the collective experiences of meditators there nor reading the recent scientific Collected Papers, Volume VII on the physiology of illumination. It is kind of like you are stuck in dark ages of something like a collective ignorant vibe of ole South Carolina that won't die. It's sad and is pitiful to read your entrenched negativity and the way you work it. It is like watching old news-real Youtube clips of segregationists trying their best using every means to re-assert their old slave power.-Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: I see all of you in the Domes, rubbing that lamp and saying I wish Cotton was a monkey. Son, I was at a lecture surveying the science around spirituality just last nite and quite evidently you are hundreds of papers behind in the accruing science around this. Yes, South Carolina has never been particularly strong in science education. May the Unified Field help you see the light too,-Buck mjackson74 writes: Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. That's about as useful as wishing Cotton was a monkey. 1985-5,600 experts in the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field from 48 countries and all 50 states of the United States gathered in Washington, D.C., from July 9-17, 1985, for the World Assembly on Vedic Science. They collectively practiced the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field to create a powerful upsurge of coherence in world consciousness, the foundation for permanent world peace. 1984, Inspired by the 'Global Taste of Utopia', Maharishi begins to establish the irreversibility of the 'Global Maharishi Effect' for maintaining coherence in world consciousness for all time through the power of pure knowledge, which is endowed with the infinite organizing power of Natural Law. Maharishi Formulates his Unified Field-Based Integrated Systems of Education, Health, Government, Economics, Defense, Rehabilitation, and Agriculture, which will perpetuate the forthcoming Unified Field-based Ideal Civilization -Samhita-Based Civilization- Vedic Civilization. A wave of inspiration throughout the world to create groups of 7,000 'Yogic Flyers' -experts in the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field- in each continent. 1983-4 7,000 'Yogic Flyers' – experts in the Maharishi Technology fo the Unified Field- gather at the Maharishi International University (MIU), Fairfield, Iowa, U.S.A., to create the first Global Maharishi Effect throughout the world -a strong influence of harmony and positivity in world consciousness, described by the MIU family as the 'FIRST TASTE OF UTOPIA'. During this three-week period of this '7,000' World Peace Assembly”, the rise of positive trends throughout the world are well documented by scientific research, and by the world press. 1981, Maharishi conducts the First International Vedic Studies Course in New Delhi and with the quiet performance of the international assembly of 3,000 Governors of the Age of Enlightenment practicing his Vedic Technology -”Yogic Flying” - calms down
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On 2/20/2014 8:35 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *It's sad and is pitiful to read your entrenched negativity and the way you work it.* Maybe it's time for MJ to read the troll report posted by Rick. http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2014/02/18/how-to-eat-an-internet-troll/
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On 2/20/2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So when you produce actual proof What we are looking for is not proof of the ME - we want to see proof that you're better off without the basic TM.
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I see all of you in the Domes, rubbing that lamp and saying I wish Cotton was a monkey. http://vimeo.com/47630104 On Thu, 2/20/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014, 12:16 AM Son, I was at a lecture surveying the science around spirituality just last nite and quite evidently you are hundreds of papers behind in the accruing science around this. Yes, South Carolina has never been particularly strong in science education. May the Unified Field help you see the light too, -Buck mjackson74 writes: Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. That's about as useful as wishing Cotton was a monkey. 1985-5,600 experts in the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field from 48 countries and all 50 states of the United States gathered in Washington, D.C., from July 9-17, 1985, for the World Assembly on Vedic Science. They collectively practiced the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field to create a powerful upsurge of coherence in world consciousness, the foundation for permanent world peace. 1984, Inspired by the 'Global Taste of Utopia', Maharishi begins to establish the irreversibility of the 'Global Maharishi Effect' for maintaining coherence in world consciousness for all time through the power of pure knowledge, which is endowed with the infinite organizing power of Natural Law. Maharishi Formulates his Unified Field-Based Integrated Systems of Education, Health, Government, Economics, Defense, Rehabilitation, and Agriculture, which will perpetuate the forthcoming Unified Field-based Ideal Civilization -Samhita-Based Civilization- Vedic Civilization. A wave of inspiration throughout the world to create groups of 7,000 'Yogic Flyers' -experts in the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field- in each continent. 1983-4 7,000 'Yogic Flyers' – experts in the Maharishi Technology fo the Unified Field- gather at the Maharishi International University (MIU), Fairfield, Iowa, U.S.A., to create the first Global Maharishi Effect throughout the world -a strong influence of harmony and positivity in world consciousness, described by the MIU family as the 'FIRST TASTE OF UTOPIA'. During this three-week period of this '7,000' World Peace Assembly”, the rise of positive trends throughout the world are well documented by scientific research, and by the world press. 1981, Maharishi conducts the First International Vedic Studies Course in New Delhi and with the quiet performance of the international assembly of 3,000 Governors of the Age of Enlightenment practicing his Vedic Technology -”Yogic Flying” - calms down the growing violent tendencies in India, demonstrating the rise of Sattwa (balance in Nature). Having proven the reliability of the Maharishi Effect irrespective of cultural differences in the world, as a scientist Maharishi proceeds to measure the invincibility of the Maharishi Effect. Maharishi test this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most trouble spots on earth (Iran, Rhodesia, Nicaragua) to create the Maharishi Effect and calm down violence. 1979 The First Annual World Peace Assembly of Governors of the Age of Enlightenment is held in the U.S.A to create coherence in national and world consciousness. 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi
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I remember that course - or at least I remember all my governor friends who took it - most of 'em got sick as hell from the impure food On Tue, 2/4/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 2:40 AM 1981, Maharishi conducts the First International Vedic Studies Course in New Delhi and with the quiet performance of the international assembly of 3,000 Governors of the Age of Enlightenment practicing his Vedic Technology -”Yogic Flying” - calms down the growing violent tendencies in India, demonstrating the rise of Sattwa (balance in Nature). Having proven the reliability of the Maharishi Effect irrespective of cultural differences in the world, as a scientist Maharishi proceeds to measure the invincibility of the Maharishi Effect. Maharishi test this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most trouble spots on earth (Iran, Rhodesia, Nicaragua) to create the Maharishi Effect and calm down violence. 1979 The First Annual World Peace Assembly of Governors of the Age of Enlightenment is held in the U.S.A to create coherence in national and world consciousness. 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities
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THANK YOU Anartaxius! For summing it up so eloquently. On Fri, 1/31/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 31, 2014, 4:01 AM Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few
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On 1/30/2014 10:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. It has already been established that levitate is possible. We have an eyewitness testimony to this event by a science writer who is an informant on this discussion group. So, I'd say that's pretty close to a scientific fact - unless you want to say that TurqB was mistaken about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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Jason, it's quite easy to grok different sizes of infinities. Think about all the integers: 1, 2, 3...Now think about all the even integers: 2, 4, 6...Are they not both infinite? Yet which is necessarily bigger?! Thus we have different sizes of infinity! Kind of mind blowing. Yay! On Friday, January 31, 2014 8:15 AM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: --- anartaxius@... wrote: Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. One reason it looks paradoxical is because a lot of philosophical positions seems to have some logical basis, even if it's not complete logic. The phenomenon called noise in biology. When they tried to clone animals, geneticaly identical clones manifested differences in appearance. The enigmatic puzzle of the structure of the benzene molecule. It has neither single bond nor double bond. A highly advance mathematics is used to explain the half bonds. And then, the wave-particle duality in physics. If you see the wave, you don't see the particle. If you see the particle, you can't see the wave. And then, Cantor's proof in mathematics that some infinities are greater than some infinities, and Godels incompleteness theorum. The paradox simply doesn't stop there. It goes all the way to the Unified Field itself. It is silent and dynamic at the same time, simultaneously. It's Shiva, empty void, static, and yet it's Vishnu, totality, vibrant, full of potentalities. As Paligap mentioned, Mysterianism rules.! I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. --- dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was executive director and CEO of New York Academy of Sciences; President of the International League for Human Rights My summary opinion, as a theoretical physicist specializing in the area of quantum field theory, is that the views expressed in the literature issued by the Maharishi International University, and appearing in the World Government News and other publications associated with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that purport to find a connection between the recent ideas of theoretical physics--unified field theory, the vacuum state and collective phenomena--and states of consciousness attained by transcendental meditation are false and profoundly misleading. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud. Individuals not trained professionally in modern physics could easily come to believe, on the basis of the presentations in the Maharishi literature, that a large number of
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Xeno, if you had to choose, which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction? On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,, Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
turq, I don't understand stuff. I grok (-: On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:25 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I do not see how it would be possible to have such a choice forced on me by another entity. It is not possible to understand this without the experience. Understanding is secondary, and to a large extent arbitrary. Look at how many ways an attempted explanation of this has occurred in the past. Believing that they understand things is what leads some people to believe that selling themselves as consumers to one spiritual franchise is self-sufficiency. It's not. It's settling for a convenient explanation that makes you believe that you understand the incomprehensible and non-understandable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Xeno, if you had to choose, which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction? On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:01 PM, anartaxius@ anartaxius@ wrote: Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,, Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect†-square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental
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turq, you go grok your Self ha ha! On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:30 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: turq, I don't understand stuff. I grok (-: As Robert Heinlein (inventor of the phrase grok) would have said if he'd understood what it really meant in terms of self-discovery and the enlightenment process, Go grok yourself. :-) On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:25 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I do not see how it would be possible to have such a choice forced on me by another entity. It is not possible to understand this without the experience. Understanding is secondary, and to a large extent arbitrary. Look at how many ways an attempted explanation of this has occurred in the past. Believing that they understand things is what leads some people to believe that selling themselves as consumers to one spiritual franchise is self-sufficiency. It's not. It's settling for a convenient explanation that makes you believe that you understand the incomprehensible and non-understandable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Xeno, if you had to choose, which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction? On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:01 PM, anartaxius@ anartaxius@ wrote: Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,, Discovery of the â€ÅExtended Maharishi Effect†-square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation
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Jason, the example I gave is the best I can do. Think of the set of all integers: 1, 2, 3...Now think of the set of all positive integers: 2, 4, 6...Both sets are infinite. But the former is necessarily bigger than the latter since it contains the latter plus the negative integers. On Friday, January 31, 2014 2:28 PM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: What exactly do you mean by different sizes? infinity is an infinity. How do grok an infinity? Your answer puzzles me. Cantor himself went mad during his latter days, trying to resolve this issue. --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Jason, it's quite easy to grok different sizes of infinities. Think about all the integers: 1, 2, 3...Now think about all the even integers: 2, 4, 6...Are they not both infinite? Yet which is necessarily bigger?! Thus we have different sizes of infinity! Kind of mind blowing. Yay! On Friday, January 31, 2014 8:15 AM, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- anartaxius@ wrote: Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. One reason it looks paradoxical is because a lot of philosophical positions seems to have some logical basis, even if it's not complete logic. The phenomenon called noise in biology. When they tried to clone animals, geneticaly identical clones manifested differences in appearance. The enigmatic puzzle of the structure of the benzene molecule. It has neither single bond nor double bond. A highly advance mathematics is used to explain the half bonds. And then, the wave-particle duality in physics. If you see the wave, you don't see the particle. If you see the particle, you can't see the wave. And then, Cantor's proof in mathematics that some infinities are greater than some infinities, and Godels incompleteness theorum. The paradox simply doesn't stop there. It goes all the way to the Unified Field itself. It is silent and dynamic at the same time, simultaneously. It's Shiva, empty void, static, and yet it's Vishnu, totality, vibrant, full of potentalities. As Paligap mentioned, Mysterianism rules.! I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. --- dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was executive director and CEO of New York Academy of Sciences; President of the International League for Human Rights My summary opinion, as a theoretical physicist specializing in the area of quantum field theory, is that the views expressed in the literature issued by the Maharishi
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Maharishi test this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most trouble spots on earth (Iran, Rhodesia, Nicaragua) to create the Maharishi Effect and calm down violence. Let 'em try it now, I challenge the Movement to do it in Iraq, Afghanistan, or how about the Central African Republic? Send a big group of flyers there and let's see what happens besides all of them getting killed. Come on TM Movement - let's see what you got. About a million people in the Central African Republic - 20% of the population - have fled their homes during months of communal violence after Seleka rebels seized power last March. In recent weeks there have been more reports of atrocities committed by rival militias in an atmosphere of increasing insecurity. Peter Bouckaert, director of emergencies for Human Rights Watch, told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme he saw French peacekeepers do nothing while corpses were mutilated at the airport at the capital Bangui on Wednesday. The French defence ministry has not commented. On Thu, 1/30/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 30, 2014, 8:55 PM Having proven the reliability of the Maharishi Effect irrespective of cultural differences in the world, as a scientist Maharishi proceeds to measure the invincibility of the Maharishi Effect. Maharishi test this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most trouble spots on earth (Iran, Rhodesia, Nicaragua) to create the Maharishi Effect and calm down violence. 1979 The First Annual World Peace Assembly of Governors of the Age of Enlightenment is held in the U.S.A to create coherence in national and world consciousness. 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends
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and the vast majority of what Hagelin had to say was pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that has no practical value for anyone. On Wed, 1/29/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 10:08 PM Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation
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MJ, it's okay. You always can get your meditation checked. That might help clear things up for you. For, whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is reining everywhere, who so ever opens themselves to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. It is an extremely compassionate proposition. -Buck mjackson74@... wrote: and the vast majority of what Hagelin had to say was pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that has no practical value for anyone. On Wed, 1/29/14, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 10:08 PM Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6
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I agree with MJ. His usage of excessive scientific jargon did little if anything to enhance his position (touted by MMY but previously by others - refer to Quantum mysticism in Wiki) that there is a cause and effect connection between the Unified Field and quantum mechanics or physics as a whole. There's simply no scientific evidence for thisas yet. If one wants to become a believer in the truthiness of the connection on the basis of intuition, fine. ... I would rate Hagelin a. . D- for the lecture on the same basis as mentioned by MJ: i.e. although interesting, his presentation provided no practical value for people (me at least) in terms of techniques; and his outdated quantum mysticism approach has been proven to be a failure in one of its objectives: spreading TM. This, his involvement in What the Bleep gets a D- ... His involvement in The Secret (the New-Agey notion that thoughts create our world); while (I believe) is true in a karmic sense, the shortcoming is the amount of energy required and the length of time needed to make desirable changes; as well as the sustaining effect and costs required. Example: the ME may have generated some favorable changes in the environment temporarily, but the numbers of participants (back in the 90's) fell off, below the required numbers to generate the Effect. There are many other factors, of course. Thus, Hagelin gets a D- in The Secret and the ME. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: MJ, it's okay. You always can get your meditation checked. That might help clear things up for you. For, whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is reining everywhere, who so ever opens themselves to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. It is an extremely compassionate proposition. -Buck mjackson74@... wrote: and the vast majority of what Hagelin had to say was pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that has no practical value for anyone. On Wed, 1/29/14, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 10:08 PM Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
John Hagelin was not there to dumb-it-down for you but came in given free chance to tell it, the thoughtful way that Rick Archer provides to spiritual adepts within Rick's interview format. It was really good in fact. I listened to the podcast while meditating and it made perfect sense in all reality. More meditation experience would proly help you a whole lot more to understand it. Work some at your (consciousness-based) education more and then you'd appreciate what all he said more fully. State Education Ranking Shows, South Carolina Last ALEC publishes 16th Edition of its Report Card on American Education yifuxero@... wrote: I agree with MJ. His usage of excessive scientific jargon did little if anything to enhance his position (touted by MMY but previously by others - refer to Quantum mysticism in Wiki) that there is a cause and effect connection between the Unified Field and quantum mechanics or physics as a whole. There's simply no scientific evidence for thisas yet. If one wants to become a believer in the truthiness of the connection on the basis of intuition, fine. ... I would rate Hagelin a. . D- for the lecture on the same basis as mentioned by MJ: i.e. although interesting, his presentation provided no practical value for people (me at least) in terms of techniques; and his outdated quantum mysticism approach has been proven to be a failure in one of its objectives: spreading TM. This, his involvement in What the Bleep gets a D- ... His involvement in The Secret (the New-Agey notion that thoughts create our world); while (I believe) is true in a karmic sense, the shortcoming is the amount of energy required and the length of time needed to make desirable changes; as well as the sustaining effect and costs required. Example: the ME may have generated some favorable changes in the environment temporarily, but the numbers of participants (back in the 90's) fell off, below the required numbers to generate the Effect. There are many other factors, of course. Thus, Hagelin gets a D- in The Secret and the ME. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: MJ, it's okay. You always can get your meditation checked. That might help clear things up for you. For, whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is reining everywhere, who so ever opens themselves to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. It is an extremely compassionate proposition. -Buck mjackson74@... wrote: and the vast majority of what Hagelin had to say was pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that has no practical value for anyone. On Wed, 1/29/14, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 10:08 PM Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: MJ, it's okay. You always can get your meditation checked. That might help clear things up for you. For, whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is reining everywhere, who so ever opens themselves to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. It is an extremely compassionate proposition. -Buck If only everything was that simple, Buck. mjackson74@... wrote: and the vast majority of what Hagelin had to say was pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that has no practical value for anyone. On Wed, 1/29/14, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 10:08 PM Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ Anartaxius writes: Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . [snip for brevity] . . end . . The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: 1978,,Discovery of the “Extended Maharishi Effect” -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small
