Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I suppose whoever the astronomer royal is will get a nod and inform the government but the church will have to just cope somehow, it isn't like the old days when people really believed them ahead of the scientists and to remain credible they've had to go back on so much of the dogma there isn't much left for their gods to do anyway. The Muslims seem unreformed enough that they might find it hard to cope that they aren't anything special in god's eyes. If a message from the stars is received I'd be tempted to sit on it until it's decoded to see if it's a threat, We'll be their in five of your Earth years. Be afraid. Is the sort of thing that you might want a contingency plan for. I can't see the government doing anything other than fuck it all up though. Unless we get the slick and sophisticated shadow government involved, if they can bring down the WTC without anyone noticing they might just be good enough ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/13/2014 11:30 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I'm surprised that you, being such a scientist, was not aware of this document which NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001595826 I suppose whoever the astronomer royal is will get a nod and inform the government but the church will have to just cope somehow, it isn't like the old days when people really believed them ahead of the scientists and to remain credible they've had to go back on so much of the dogma there isn't much left for their gods to do anyway. The Muslims seem unreformed enough that they might find it hard to cope that they aren't anything special in god's eyes. If a message from the stars is received I'd be tempted to sit on it until it's decoded to see if it's a threat, We'll be their in five of your Earth years. Be afraid. Is the sort of thing that you might want a contingency plan for. I can't see the government doing anything other than fuck it all up though. Unless we get the slick and sophisticated shadow government involved, if they can bring down the WTC without anyone noticing they might just be good enough ;-) This video might help with your paranoia of conspiracy theories. :-D http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/13/2014 11:30 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I'm surprised that you, being such a scientist, was not aware of this document which NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do. What would me being a scientist have to do with whether or not I know about a document from the 1960s about preparations for changes in society due to space exploration? Besides, there isn't anything in there about what we are talking about. I did find this: Certain potential products or consequences of space activities imply such a high degree of change in world conditions that it would be unprofitable within the purview of this report to propose research on them. Examples include a controlled thermonuclear fusion rocket power source and face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrials There is certainly nothing else in the index, perhaps you could point me to any relevant page to save me reading it all. Well gee, I thought a man of letters like you would have wanted to read the whole thing. Google is your friend (though not too friendly to Android developers these days) so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE **
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-) You overvalue this conspiracy stuff, 2+2 actually does equal 4. The problem with the AE9/11 site is that there is no evidence for their beliefs, let alone anything that qualifies as hard science. The lengths they go to so it fits into the deliberate demolition narrative are absurd. Who the hell could have done it, and got away with it, without anyone noticing! What they have is an argument from personal incredulity - they don't understand so it can't be true. They don;t seem to be able to accept the evidence in front of them, I don;t blame them it was a weird day, in fact it's much more logical to accuse them of the sort of dissonance the psychologist in your video was talking about. if you watch the video of WTC7 collapsing of course it looks suspicious, but they don;t give you any of the facts that might help you judge whether their analysis is the correct one. Here's what you don;t see from the perspective of the video: As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The building was equipped with a sprinkler system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler_system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-39[40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-40 After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-41 Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-42[43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-43 During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38 In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-nist-questions-9At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-hayden-44 During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
Suit yourself, I'm just not ever going to buy the official story. I've had years on this issue and to me you just sound like a newbie to it all and very, very naive. On 10/14/2014 02:15 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-) You overvalue this conspiracy stuff, 2+2 actually does equal 4. The problem with the AE9/11 site is that there is no evidence for their beliefs, let alone anything that qualifies as hard science. The lengths they go to so it fits into the deliberate demolition narrative are absurd. Who the hell could have done it, and got away with it, without anyone noticing! What they have is an argument from personal incredulity - they don't understand so it can't be true. They don;t seem to be able to accept the evidence in front of them, I don;t blame them it was a weird day, in fact it's much more logical to accuse them of the sort of dissonance the psychologist in your video was talking about. if you watch the video of WTC7 collapsing /of course/ it looks suspicious, but they don;t give you any of the facts that might help you judge whether their analysis is the correct one. Here's what you don;t see from the perspective of the video: As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building^[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38 and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.^[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.^[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The building was equipped with a sprinkler system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler_system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.^[39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-39 ^[40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-40 After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.^[41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-41 Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.^[42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-42 ^[43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-43 During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.^[38]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
The Creationists will have to rethink their theology if intelligent beings are found on Mars or elsewhere. That's their problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
