Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:50 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The caste system is always promoted and lauded by the members of the upper two castes, and never by the lower ones. That should tell you something about its real intent. Except that it is entirely possible taht MMY is actually of the untouchable caste. Which might be a better point than you think--who better then to teach untouchable westerners, mlecchas than an untouchable.? Maybe Mahesh Varma is Shukracharya returned? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to have your mind blown in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste system reflects the real natural condition of society, you should read this book. From this POV, the idea that all people are created equal is one of the greatest lies ever perpetuated on human society. Higher education or education in domains which potentially could cause great harm to society should only be given to those with innate and excellent moral qualities. History has already proved this kind of reasoning wrong. That people are not created equal is probably true, but not the idea that education should not be given to all people. Societies were a lot of people are illiterate or have poor education are left behind, suppressive, and often violent. Finland's school system is considered to be one of the best in the world by its results. Here the weaker students get a lot of support, not necessarily the talented ones. We concentrate less on spurring talented students. The resources are directed for everyone being literate and getting a vocational training. If you are under 25 and you are jobless, you lose your unemployment benefit, if you don't engage yourself in some training program. Giving everyone a chance in life, and making even the weaker individuals feel that they are accepted and useful and important members of societies is the best prevention of harmful tendencies. Also democracy works much better, when people in general are well educated. Good educations provides better means of making one's own judgements. I believe what he is referring to is not standard education, the basic education we all share, but higher education and specialization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: My point is that justifications of the Indian caste system tend to come from members of the two castes who are deemed fit to rule. So *of course* they're in favor of preserving a system that keeps them and their kids in power. It's a status quo thang, thrown together with large doses of self importance and superiority. Consider what we have in America: a country ruled by an exclusive millionaires club called congress and a presidential administration bought and sold by the military-industrial complex and other corporations. We're a country run by corporate greed and controlled by special interests. An interesting case and point is the drilling of oil in the Arctic wildlife refuge. The American public turned that down once. But then corporate influence got it hidden in a defense bill. Public outcry stopped that. Now it has been passed yet again, hidden in another bill--all due to corporate influence. We are governed by a different kind of elite. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: My point is that justifications of the Indian caste system tend to come from members of the two castes who are deemed fit to rule. So *of course* they're in favor of preserving a system that keeps them and their kids in power. It's a status quo thang, thrown together with large doses of self importance and superiority. Consider what we have in America: a country ruled by an exclusive millionaires club called congress and a presidential administration bought and sold by the military-industrial complex and other corporations. We're a country run by corporate greed and controlled by special interests. An interesting case and point is the drilling of oil in the Arctic wildlife refuge. The American public turned that down once. But then corporate influence got it hidden in a defense bill. Public outcry stopped that. Now it has been passed yet again, hidden in another bill--all due to corporate influence. We are governed by a different kind of elite. Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism is elitism. IMO trying to justify it on the basis of who is more highly evolved vs. less highly evolved is more smarmy and less honest than justifying it on the basis of who has da most money. As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a kind of back door view into the real mind of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati before he embraced a position espousing smarta Brahmanism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
on 3/21/06 1:10 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are lost in the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic intermingling of races, when it was brought to his attention that this was sometimes a point of tension in the US (e.g., segregation issues). *** Caste in India is a rigid system of social classes based on birth. You can see interracial marriages to be problematic for other reasons than because they are frobidden in Indian caste system. When people from different cultural backgrounds marry more challenges are to be expected than usual. Only because of other people's intolerance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Vaj wrote: As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a kind of back door view into the real mind of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati before he embraced a position espousing smarta Brahmanism. Incidentally, _India: A Civilization of Differences : The Ancient Tradition of Universal Tolerance_ is as good or better than the title I previously mentioned and pretty much exclusively deals with the caste system. Both will be shockers for western eyes and ears. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to put this is to say that the outcome of mixing two (or more) races is based on the lowest common denomimator found with each race. And what knowledge background is this opinion based on? Do you know anything about genetics? Genetics is a science, not bad poetry based on cult-think and orthodox hindu bias. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:56 AM, sparaig wrote: Which is MMY's stated reason for pricing TMout of the range of normal people: appeal to the elite who need to grow spiritually *at least* as much as the poor. That's also why many devout Hindus consider him a seller of the Vedas whose eventual demise will be rebirth in a hell dimension (patala-loka)... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are lost in the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic intermingling of races, when it was brought to his attention that this was sometimes a point of tension in the US (e.g., segregation issues). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are lost in the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic intermingling of races, when it was brought to his attention that this was sometimes a point of tension in the US (e.g., segregation issues). Alain Danielou, whose guru was one of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati's primary disciples, wrote extensively of the pure Vedic and really pre- Vedic opinion on the caste system. They believed it was part of the natural order. Even if you destroy the caste system, if you leave things alone, they will naturally stratify back into the caste system. Danielou's one work on this topic once was only available in the original French, but recently has been translated into English as _Virtue, Success, Pleasure, and Liberation : The Four Aims of Life in the Tradition of Ancient India_. If you want to have your mind blown in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste system reflects the real natural condition of society, you should read this book. From this POV, the idea that all people are created equal is one of the greatest lies ever perpetuated on human society. Higher education or education in domains which potentially could cause great harm to society should only be given to those with innate and excellent moral qualities. Danielou points out that a society who bases education and training for jobs on IQ testing are essentially already recognizing and recreating a new caste system based on an individuals innate skills and karma. He also says that interracial marriage creates an overwhelming feeling of ambiguity in children. The confusion thus created destroys the fabric and continuity in the transmission of the ancestral heritage of knowledge. Western dominance has pushed their colonial expansionist superior western ways on the last remaining tribes still extant from Satya-yuga when they dominated and assimilated Bharat (India). The idea of rajas or kings only arise in the Treta-yuga; it is not necessary in Satya-yuga. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
on 3/18/06 10:15 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has been successful in surrounding himself with yes-men. That success has however created a situation were he can get no critical assessment and he is totally free to publicly humiliate himself, when he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Many may care, but critical feedback is not welcome, and could get you sent packing. So those who might offer it, stifle it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
