Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible. There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for Santa Claus to come along and rule them and tell them what to do all the time so they never have to make any decisions ever again. Most people call this form of government a cult. You seem happier with the term Sat Yuga. Whatever.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. In other words, a fairytale. Figures. * Whether you regard the Ramayana as an authentic historical record or as fiction, the point is that MMY endorses rulership from the level of enlightenment, which is the only level that can behave fairly to all the interests of society. Does the movement do this? Do the most enlightened people in the movement do this? Has Maharishi always done this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why someone might have confidence in the Vedic account of a Sat-Yuga golden age, and (b) why someone who had such confidence might believe in the possibility that there could be another one. Why would anybody assume Bob had some modern-day, real-world example in mind? No, but if lots of people meditating is what makes an ideal society, it would follow that the TMO should be a microcosm of such a society, yet Bob is one of it's strongest critics. So if Bob thinks the TMO is a flop as an ideal society, how does he believe that if the TMO were to become predominant population group, an ideal society would result? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:36 PM, bob_brigante wrote: The pundits in the Brahmastan of India are purifying the atmosphere there so that Vedic culture can be restored to India -- when that happens, there will be an ideal society serving as a lighthouse to the world. So you've seen pictures of these pundits doing this recently? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But imagine that the person being forced to learn and practice it is yourself, and that the technique that has gained politically-correct favor enough to be made mandatory is Scientology. Or Subud. Or for those who are, in true TM fashion, terrified of any technique that involves effort, some form of meditation that actually required you to focus. How would you feel about how benevolent these meditation police might be? How funny is the joke then? A friend who was a Social Worker, worked at a local and brand new psychiatric facility and was required to attend seminars by Landmark Forum---the latest incarnation of Werner Erhard's EST idea. Apparently a part of Landmark was getting into large corporations and getting everyone to take their course. He ended up having these trainings put in his job evaluation by his boss who wanted the whole hospital to take the training. Well, the course threw him into a psychotic break. He successfully sued the hospital and they settled out of court to avoid public exposure. Being forced to take this course was not funny to him. I could see the same thing happening with anything that was forced upon someone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
on 4/17/06 11:55 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the giant Vedic Science course in the Indian Express Building in New Delhi, India, very early 80s, during a lecture one afternoon, someone asked Maharishi somewhere in the course of a discussion about governments around the globe: Well, what would be the best form of government? He responded: Enlightened dictatorship, but this is a controversial topic so we won't talk about it. Anyone else remember that? Yup. I was there too. Maharishi has often said that the common man shouldn't be trying to run the government. That's what he's implying when he says damn democracy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
And they all lived happily ever after. Sal On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:45 PM, bob_brigante wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. Lord Rama was certainly enlightened and had total authority, but he was no brutal and indifferent dictator -- He listened carefully to the people and took extraordinary steps to made sure that all concerns were addressed
