Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-17 Thread Peter


--- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a
> > good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny
> > story-although that was not his intent-about
> > transcending for about 4 hours one day. 
> 
> Though morbid obesity was the underlying reason for
> his death, the
> acute problem was some sort of strange blood
> poisoning that he
> apparently did treat properly.  One of those
> sensationist celebrity TV
> shows actually reported on it, implying some kind of
> possible family
> feud within the Tabasco empire.  Sam singlehandledly
> balanced out any
> moodmaking within our vedic atom.  He would
> alternate between 40 day
> juice fasts with coffee enemas, in which he would
> lose lots of weight,
> and then overeat for a few months.  I think his
> system just got out of
> whack eventually.

His brother, Paul, who's now the president of Tobasco
Company looks just like Sam. Probably a fat gene runs
in the family tree. You need some help to get up to
650lbs!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter


--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > > > Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late
> > > forties
> > > 
> > > Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He
> weighed
> > > 650 pounds.
> > 
> > Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam
> > yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home
> > fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass
> away?
> > 
>  Hi Peter this is me Anonymous Ken Hassman. The last
> time I actually
> saw/hung out with Sam was in 1991-1992. He and Jim
> Meredith (remember
> Jim)were sharing a house over in Oakland. Sam had
> already ballooned up
> to no less than 350 pounds probably more, or so,
> needed a cane to help
> him stay up and balanced, and moved really slowly. I
> had occasion,
> once when over at Jim and Sam's house visiting to
> see Sam in minimal
> cloting and it was absolutely shocking how big he
> was and how hard it
> was for him to get himself upright from bed.
> Probably a few years
> later, I ran into Michael Thune (remember him)in
> Albany (just north of
> Berkeley). Michael was close with Sam and he was the
> one who told me
> Sam had died and weighed 650 pounds when they found
> him dead in his
> bed. Sam had moved back to Louisianna (I think)
> where his family was
> as he had inherited some big house when his dad died
> (I may be getting
> my facts mixed up a bit, but I'm close).
> Ken

Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a
good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny
story-although that was not his intent-about
transcending for about 4 hours one day. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter


--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
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> > > A few more come to mind
> > > 
> > > Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
> 
> Andy died of lung cancer and he was a non-smoker.
> 
> > Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
> 
> Steve was being treated for Hodgkins Lymphoma which,
> apparently was
> under control. He died of the side effects of one of
> the meds he was
> taking which had listed, "sudden heart failure" as a
> possible side effect.
> > 
> > Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late
> forties
> 
> Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed
> 650 pounds.

Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam
yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home
fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass away?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Rick Archer
Diana (Munson) Schultz, Billy Shultz's wife was recently diagnosed with
inoperable liver cancer. Untreatable according to her Western doctors. Dean
Draznin here in Fairfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is coordinating the
collection of donations to help fund her pursuit of alternative treatments.
Billy and Diana are currently living in Hawaii.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-16 Thread Peter
Dawn was a student with me at MIU in the mid 70's. She
died very early on while in her late 20's. Like 26 or
27. Everybody was shocked...we wern't supposed to die
of such ignorant things like cancer!. What a bunch of
dopes we were.

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> has sort of died out, no pun intended) 
> but does anyone remember a lady named Dawn Golden? 
> I think she died of cancer and 
> was only in her late 20s or  early 30s.  This was
> quite a while ago, sometime in the  80s.
> 
> Also, someone named Randy, in his 40s I think, who
> was killed while doing constrcution 
> on the MUM campus.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread Peter


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> > > suffered traumatic accidents
> > > that appear to have kicked them into a more
> > > enlightened state.
> > 
> > Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at
> those
> > times and that's the reason why the individual
> feels
> > so "different". 
> 
> You say "walk-in"; I say "PTSD."

And Ramana says, "Who feels different?"
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread gullible fool
 
> I know and have read about several people who
> suffered traumatic accidents
> that appear to have kicked them into a more
> enlightened state.

Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those
times and that's the reason why the individual feels
so "different". 

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >>> That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they
> ventured
> >>> out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her
> horse,
> >>> which she stabled near Ottumwa.
> >> 
> >> Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma
> for a few days
> > after the
> >> accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a
> CC-like state of
> >> detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many
> years. Hated it. Came
> > to one
> >> of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped
> out of the duality
> > state
> >> as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since.
> Very happy lady now.
> >> 
> > 
> > Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The
> brainwaves of
> > someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a
> lopsided, right-
> > brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting
> witnessing due to TM
> > show a balanced EEG between right and left sides.
> > 
> > Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist
> techniques that some here
> > tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in
> this lop-sided EEG
> > pattern.
> 
> I know and have read about several people who
> suffered traumatic accidents
> that appear to have kicked them into a more
> enlightened state. In S. America
> they have "lightening shamans" - people who became
> psychic or healers after
> being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley:
> http://tinyurl.com/7bquk
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-13 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured
>>> out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse,
>>> which she stabled near Ottumwa.
>> 
>> Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days
> after the
>> accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of
>> detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came
> to one
>> of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality
> state
>> as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now.
>> 
> 
> Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of
> someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right-
> brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM
> show a balanced EEG between right and left sides.
> 
> Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here
> tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG
> pattern.

I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents
that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America
they have "lightening shamans" - people who became psychic or healers after
being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread gullible fool
 
> I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy
> checking in with 
> FFL now and again.

Does that mean we have only 999 members?

--- scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy
> checking in with 
> FFL now and again.  Being dead is often boring but
> if you like to 
> surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the
> connections are very 
> fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We
> are told here 
> that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web
> connections is the 
> principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care
> to expand upon 
> it?
> > > 
> > > I was struck a number of years by the legion of
> meditators, 
> sidhas,
> > > initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas,
> Mother Divines, 
> rajahs and
> > > other Movement potentates who had suffered
> untimely deaths. You
> > > mentioned several. After all, the number of
> hardcore meditators 
> is
> > > really quite small, just a few thousands, I
> would think. I have 
> worked
> > > for several organizations larger than that and
> cannot recall 
> anywhere
> > > near a comparable percentage of people in their
> 40s or 50 
> croaking. That
> > > clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would
> like to see 
> reliable
> > > statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert
> Keith Wallace 
> would be
> > > interested in such a research topic??!!
> > > 
> > > What if we began our own accounting of such
> deaths? My start is 
> the
> > > attached table. If you think it makes sense you
> might solicit 
> names
> > on FFL.
> > > 
> > >   Name   Cause of Death   Approx. Age*
> > >   Dawn Casper   breast cancer   50
> > >   Kristi Kamins   breast cancer   52
> > >   Bobby Warren   drowning   45
> > >   Geo. Gleeson   heart attack   45
> > >   Margaret Cooper   MS   60
> > >   David Weiner   testicular cancer   44
> > >   Maxine Trzebiatowski   breast cancer   45
> > >   Kurleigh King   Prostate cancer
> > >   Doug Henning   Liver Cancer   52
> > >   Skip Alexander   Liver Cancer
> > >   Jane Hopson   ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease)   62
> > 
> > 
> > A few more come to mind
> > 
> > Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
> > Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor
> > Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater)
> > Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
> > Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back
> > 
> > swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago
> > 
> > cc girl at MIU?
> > 
> > the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin
> > 
> > Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin 
> > 
> > I remember a story of someone dying outside domes
> of heart attack, 
> the
> > day after he saw top vaida guy
> > 
> > A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who
> died of AIDS, some
> > KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi?  
> > 
> > Seems like there are more that I have heard of but
> escape me at the
> > moment.
> >
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- andrasayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nat is very much alive.
> 
> Some to add to the untimely list:
> Denise Robatai
> Julia Fritz
> Sharon Welsh
> Tobi Finebloom
> Sabine (German lady)
> all were on Mother Divine.
> 
> Skip Alexander
> Debbie Kockel
> the Purusha guy in the fire

Sten, Rick's friend


> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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> >
> > on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >  
> > >>>   Margaret Cooper   MS   60
> > > 
> > > Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret
> Norman, but
> > > the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for
> a
> > > while and a resident of my town before moving to
> ff
> > > with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60.
> I
> > > thought she was 37 or so at the time.
> > 
> > Different person.
> > >   
> > > There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by
> > > lightning while hiking up a mountain in
> Colorado.
> > > 
> > > Also, Goldfaber.
> > 
> > Nat is still alive, isn't he?
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- Peter Sutphen wrote:
> > 
> > --- Patrick Gillam wrote:
> > 
> > > Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an
> > > oncoming truck between Fairfield and 
> > > Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was
> > > trying to avoid by virtue of having been 
> > > warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car
> accident
> > > a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers 
> > > was driving during the fatal incident; they lost
> > > control when passing over an icy patch on 
> > > the road.
> > 
> > It was just east of that country western bar. I
> heard
> > that her jyotish, done a few days before, said
> nothing
> > about her being at risk.
> 
> Funny we would hear conflicting stories.

Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some
time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had
some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw
that there was a specific period I was entering that I
was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said
that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks
later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front
of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked
right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car.
Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it
and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's
the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish.   



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at
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> > That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they
> ventured
> > out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her
> horse,
> > which she stabled near Ottumwa.
> 
> Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma
> for a few days after the
> accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a
> CC-like state of
> detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many
> years. Hated it. Came to one
> of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped
> out of the duality state
> as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since.
> Very happy lady now.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured
> out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse,
> which she stabled near Ottumwa.

Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the
accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of
detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one
of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state
as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Rick Archer
Then there was Nona Hamburg, who in the early 1970's went in to the
meditation room in the New Haven center and mysteriously died while
meditating. She was in her 20's.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths

2005-10-12 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the
> mid-90s or so. He was what, 50?

Younger

> 
> Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s?
> 
> Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an
> oncoming truck between Fairfield and 
> Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was
> trying to avoid by virtue of having been 
> warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident
> a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers 
> was driving during the fatal incident; they lost
> control when passing over an icy patch on 
> the road.

It was just east of that country western bar. I heard
that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing
about her being at risk.

> 
> Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of
> homicide.

Pam Noble, early 30's, brain tumors
George (used to work at ITG) early 40's, heart attack


> 
> For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular
> meditator who died of homicide at age 
> 57.

Man, that is tough, Patrick!


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care
> to expand upon it?
> > > 
> > > I was struck a number of years by the legion of
> meditators, sidhas,
> > > initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas,
> Mother Divines, rajahs and
> > > other Movement potentates who had suffered
> untimely deaths. You
> > > mentioned several. After all, the number of
> hardcore meditators is
> > > really quite small, just a few thousands, I
> would think. I have worked
> > > for several organizations larger than that and
> cannot recall anywhere
> > > near a comparable percentage of people in their
> 40s or 50 croaking. That
> > > clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would
> like to see reliable
> > > statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert
> Keith Wallace would be
> > > interested in such a research topic??!!
> > > 
> > > What if we began our own accounting of such
> deaths? My start is the
> > > attached table. If you think it makes sense you
> might solicit names
> > on FFL.
> > > 
> > >   Name   Cause of Death   Approx. Age*
> > >   Dawn Casper   breast cancer   50
> > >   Kristi Kamins   breast cancer   52
> > >   Bobby Warren   drowning   45
> > >   Geo. Gleeson   heart attack   45
> > >   Margaret Cooper   MS   60
> > >   David Weiner   testicular cancer   44
> > >   Maxine Trzebiatowski   breast cancer   45
> > >   Kurleigh King   Prostate cancer
> > >   Doug Henning   Liver Cancer   52
> > >   Skip Alexander   Liver Cancer
> > >   Jane Hopson   ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease)   62
> > 
> > 
> > A few more come to mind
> > 
> > Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ?
> > Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor
> > Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater)
> > Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted
> > Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back
> > 
> > swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago
> > 
> > cc girl at MIU?
> > 
> > the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin
> > 
> > Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin 
> > 
> > I remember a story of someone dying outside domes
> of heart attack, the
> > day after he saw top vaida guy
> > 
> > A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who
> died of AIDS, some
> > KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi?  
> > 
> > Seems like there are more that I have heard of but
> escape me at the
> > moment.
> >
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