[FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Yo, 7th, Xeno is established in CC, seriously - It makes him appear overly logical, and kind of cold and remote. He also thinks he has reached the end of his development, the unremitting light of the soul, in CC, but he has a long way to go. And *I* don't. That's the only important thing to remember -- how incredibly special *I* am, and how non-special all these other peons who are less evolved than *I* am are. He's *only* in CC, and *I*...not to be immodest or anything...am just so, So, SO much *more* than that. Any state of consciousness you can name, *I* will have been there done that long ago, the day after I first heard about it. Logic? *I* am WAY past logic. That's for losers. And it's only your faulty perception that *I* am somewhat cold and remote when it comes to other people *I* look down on; they only believe that because they're so jealous of how special *I* am. Poor Xeno, after all, still has a long way to go. And *I* don't. *I* have arrived at the pinnacle of what it is to be a human being, and enlightened. That's why I'm so compassionate towards these puny-ass poseurs who aren't...uh...well...*ME*. Again, did I manage to synopsize what you were really trying to say, Jimbo? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@ wrote: WTF? Xeno, do you have a burr up your butt? Chill out a little. You asked if someone had an alternative for treating your skin condition. Share made friendly suggestion. What's next, you gonna try to get her cited for practicing medicine without a license? Lighten up dude! It's just a chat room! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@ wrote: Share, making a medical recommendation on the basis of what I said is rather risky don't you think? I did not mention the condition, just the chemical used to treat it, and it is used for a number of purposes. From a medical point of view, aloe vera has not been researched enough or well enough to come to any medically useful conclusions, though the cosmetic industry seems to have made it one of its poster child products. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Xeno, aloe vera gel... On Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:19 AM, anartaxius@ anartaxius@ wrote: Buck, I agree with Turq. Card's posts are in their own little world. Most of them are incomprehensible to me, including the request this thread is about. Card actually reduced the jargon a bit by putting a portion of his request in a slightly less technical form parenthetically, but it still did not help. Who else here transliterates Sanskrit or has such a grasp of language? Usually I have no way to even begin to respond to one of his posts. Some additional explanation plain words would be a big help as to what he is getting at. And Buck, your posts are pretty jargon laden as well, besides being almost completely spam. Tell us what you think in your own words. Farmers are not noted for being abstract philosophers, they speak plain and simple. Do you post all that stuff so you look good to the thought police over there at MUM? On occasion you have posted some really interesting things that seem to represent what you think and feel that come across as natural, but most of the time, you do not do this, you sound more like a Jehovah's Witness proffering pre-canned quotes from Watchtower Magazine, so instead of making a worthwhile contribution, you are largely ignored. It's OK to quote things, but then tell us what you think about that, free of jargon, what it means to you, and perhaps how you would explain it to someone who never ever heard of TM or meditation in general. You do not learn what you are saying until you can spontaneously say it in your own words, and understand it on your own terms. Then, you have to learn how to say it to someone who has not gone through that process. It is really easy to fail at this. I have a slight skin condition, so right now I think I will go an apply a layer of (CH2)7(CO2H)2 to the affected area so that the proximal and distal surfaces of the application are minimised. Can anyone here recommend an alternative to this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: My point, Buck, since you seem to have missed it, is that a number of people -- especially Fairfielders -- have been living in a Jargon Bubble for so long that they no longer realize when they are speaking jargon. They have lost the art -- and, I would suggest, even the desire -- to give intro lectures and communicate with anyone who *doesn't* speak the same jargon they do. That's fine, if all you want to do in life is the thing you've adopted as your schtick here -- preach to the already converted. That's fine if you're comfortable with being an elitist and don't really want to ever speak to anyone who *isn't* already an elitist, and your kind of elitist. It's not so fine if you were ever trying to actually communicate
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
On 1/26/2014 11:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */That is, the people doing this seek to position *themselves* as the experts or authorities and *force* people to ask them questions/* It's all a matter of positioning and placement. You can place yourself as an expert or authority if you know what you are talking about. But, if you don't even know any bija mantras for any yoga technique used for stress relief, it would probably just be better to keep your pie hole shut. You can't force anyone to answer your questions, so maybe you should start questioning answers instead of trying to figure out simple things without a teacher.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
On 1/26/2014 4:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */I can't help translating your question into Far Side-speak the way some of us hear it./* TurquoiseB: Anyone know if blah blah uses exclusively the blah blah of the blah blah (blah blah of the blah blah)? Translated, this probably means something like: I read over 200 books on the Cathars, but not a single book on the Gnostics. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anyone know if NSR uses exclusively the biija-mantra of the muulaadhaara-cakra (beej mantra of the muladharachakra)? I know you're talking to a select group of language and TM nerds, Card, but given the discussions about jargon and buzzwords recently, I can't help translating your question into Far Side-speak the way some of us hear it. :-) Anyone know if blah blah uses exclusively the blah blah of the blah blah (blah blah of the blah blah)?
[FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Om Dear Turq, I am concerned about you. It seems evident you are becoming somewhat obsessed and and even hung-up on this particular thought form around jargon that you would seek to suppress people's writing use of jargon around here on a list that is so manifestly technical about spirituality. Don't be an ass. I am not trying to suppress the use of jargon. I'm trying to get through to people who *no longer realizing they're using it*, and that doing so is *excluding* people from what they're trying to say. Card was looking for an answer and anyone who knows what NSR and biija mantras are and could possibly answer the question will do so. And anyone who doesn't (I have no idea what NSR means) are excluded. People who are ignorant of NSR and biija mantras are always free to improve themselves with Google searches further. A Google search for NSR returns -- in order -- National Skills Registry, National Scouting Report, and National Swine Report. Which do you think Card was referring to?
[FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
My point, Buck, since you seem to have missed it, is that a number of people -- especially Fairfielders -- have been living in a Jargon Bubble for so long that they no longer realize when they are speaking jargon. They have lost the art -- and, I would suggest, even the desire -- to give intro lectures and communicate with anyone who *doesn't* speak the same jargon they do. That's fine, if all you want to do in life is the thing you've adopted as your schtick here -- preach to the already converted. That's fine if you're comfortable with being an elitist and don't really want to ever speak to anyone who *isn't* already an elitist, and your kind of elitist. It's not so fine if you were ever trying to actually communicate to the occasional lurker who might appear here, wanting to learn a little something about TM, or even spiritual practice in general. But I guess that's not what you're trying to do, right? You'd prefer to keep writing jargon-filled stuff that gets zero replies. Anyone who wants to reply has to come up to your level and stop being so ignorant. Did I get your position on all of this correctly? How long has it been since you ever *gave* an intro lecture, Buck, or even wanted to? I know it's difficult to imagine, interacting with the unwashed masses of the ignorant and all, all those who just aren't as good as you are. I'm just pointing out that pretty much NO ONE responds to your rants as they are. Do you think that maybe...just perhaps...the way you're writing them might have something to do with that? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Om Dear Turq, I am concerned about you. It seems evident you are becoming somewhat obsessed and and even hung-up on this particular thought form around jargon that you would seek to suppress people's writing use of jargon around here on a list that is so manifestly technical about spirituality. Don't be an ass. I am not trying to suppress the use of jargon. I'm trying to get through to people who *no longer realizing they're using it*, and that doing so is *excluding* people from what they're trying to say. Card was looking for an answer and anyone who knows what NSR and biija mantras are and could possibly answer the question will do so. And anyone who doesn't (I have no idea what NSR means) are excluded. People who are ignorant of NSR and biija mantras are always free to improve themselves with Google searches further. A Google search for NSR returns -- in order -- National Skills Registry, National Scouting Report, and National Swine Report. Which do you think Card was referring to?
[FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Buck, I also enjoy Carde's posts though I don't understand most of them. He seems very independent and thus likely to continue here, yay, no matter how anyone responds to his stuff. I enjoy many of them, too, even though I understand none of the Sanskrit references and never hope to. Dead languages are often dead for a reason, and my time is taken up with learning live ones. :-) Card is a wonderful language nerd who gets off on esoteric relationships he finds between languages and interpretations he finds of things he reads in them. I'm not sure he really has much of anyone to really converse with about these subjects here, although it's fine of him to try. I was just poking a little fun at the greater-than-normal obscurity of his latest post, wondering if there is *anyone* here who has any idea what NSR refers to. As I'm trying to explain to Buck and Doctordumb, I find the *expectation* that the people they're talking to or writing to *have* to come up to their level elitist to the max. I also find Doctordumb's assertion that they should just ask if they don't understand things to have a subtle and not entirely pleasant intent. That is, the people doing this seek to position *themselves* as the experts or authorities and *force* people to ask them questions...as if they really were. A better teacher doesn't do this. A better teacher or writer -- one who is actually trying to communicate and who cares about the person he is speaking to -- doesn't go out of his way to exclude them from the conversation. He or she explains possibly unfamiliar terms as he goes along, being *inclusive* as opposed to exclusive. Buck is right that this is a personal issue with me. I'm really not trying to change the way that people on this forum write. I honestly don't believe that many of them *could* change, even if they wanted to. I'm just bringing up some of these points about how jargon is a way to enforce elitism and promote the idea that the person using is is somehow superior to the people he's speaking to just to put it out there for those who are interested.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
Replace the dog with a cat and in the second frame the man with a big cat and the blahs with meows: http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/07/actually-your-cat-thinks-you-are-a-giant-cat/ On 01/26/2014 02:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anyone know if NSR uses exclusively the biija-mantra of the muulaadhaara-cakra (beej mantra of the muladharachakra)? */I know you're talking to a select group of language and TM nerds, Card, but given the discussions about jargon and buzzwords recently, I can't help translating your question into Far Side-speak the way some of us hear it. :-) /**Anyone know if blah blah uses exclusively the blah blah of the blah blah (blah blah of the blah blah)?/ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blah blah and blah blah of the blah-blah? (was Re: NSR and BM of the M-Ch?)
I think, and Carde apologies if I'm misremembering, I think Carde once mentioned being an aspie so I read his posts through the filter of that understanding. I think I simply enjoy his other worldliness though I often wish more people would reply to his stuff. Totally MY issue! (-: On Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:21 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Buck, I also enjoy Carde's posts though I don't understand most of them. He seems very independent and thus likely to continue here, yay, no matter how anyone responds to his stuff. I enjoy many of them, too, even though I understand none of the Sanskrit references and never hope to. Dead languages are often dead for a reason, and my time is taken up with learning live ones. :-) Card is a wonderful language nerd who gets off on esoteric relationships he finds between languages and interpretations he finds of things he reads in them. I'm not sure he really has much of anyone to really converse with about these subjects here, although it's fine of him to try. I was just poking a little fun at the greater-than-normal obscurity of his latest post, wondering if there is *anyone* here who has any idea what NSR refers to. As I'm trying to explain to Buck and Doctordumb, I find the *expectation* that the people they're talking to or writing to *have* to come up to their level elitist to the max. I also find Doctordumb's assertion that they should just ask if they don't understand things to have a subtle and not entirely pleasant intent. That is, the people doing this seek to position *themselves* as the experts or authorities and *force* people to ask them questions...as if they really were. A better teacher doesn't do this. A better teacher or writer -- one who is actually trying to communicate and who cares about the person he is speaking to -- doesn't go out of his way to exclude them from the conversation. He or she explains possibly unfamiliar terms as he goes along, being *inclusive* as opposed to exclusive. Buck is right that this is a personal issue with me. I'm really not trying to change the way that people on this forum write. I honestly don't believe that many of them *could* change, even if they wanted to. I'm just bringing up some of these points about how jargon is a way to enforce elitism and promote the idea that the person using is is somehow superior to the people he's speaking to just to put it out there for those who are interested.
