Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
s. 18 statues made by Joey who couldn't spell the word "statue." 18 statues that were to Joey, by his own inner logic, as precious as fingerprints that could only be assigned to one and only one person. 18 statues in boxes that Joey knew so well that he could dive into the boxes after saying each pupil's name and instantly pull out Pedro's statue, then Anna's statue, then Cathy's statue . . . 18 statues with names assigned to them. Joey knew which was to go to whom. Silently, for Joey could hardly talk, he gave each statue out like it was a soul. And every kid there opened themselves to Joey's vision of the moment and took their statues into their hugging arms like each trophy was a new born babe. Joey gave everyone a symbolic a kiss on the forehead to take home. Everyone deserved a symbol of "job well done," thought Joey. And 18 kids with almost no chance to succeed in life, hummed with delight. And no one I've ever seen in my whole life was as happy as Joey that day. He so innocently beamed his love. That's my goal in life. Be as happy and as wrong . . . and as right as Joey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
if Bob Schneider shows up here I will give him the whuppin' he deserves.
That is how I phrase it, what it means is that I will ask him direct, non-TM
TB'er questions such as how he purports to know anything about psychiatry when
he is a cardiologist, how he thinks his "vedic" prescription that he gave in
his taped lecture at MUM can possibly be helpful to people who are really
struggling with mental/emotional problems and contemplating suicide when the
prescription is as follows:
Listen to the person's problemsTell them to avoid negative thoughtsTell them to
think sweet thoughtsTell them to expose themselves to positive energy (by
listening to the vedas being recited or reading the Gita or the mandalas)Tell
them to do TM.
All of which ignores the fact that in many cases it is the PRACTICE of TM
itself, esp TMSP and all the cultish nonsensical mind sets that go along with
it that often LEAD to such states of depression and anxiety that lead to
suicide.
So if Bobby wants a whuppin' tell him to come on over.
Bring Johnny Hagelin too, I wanna ask him if he is still using his position as
professor at MUM to get him some student girlfriends.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would
not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his
idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form
of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic psychiatry" presentation I have
already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line.
Seems to me Doug is referring to a threat of *verbal* abuse, which is precisely
what Michael made (he reiterates it above).
(snip)
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
That may fascinate you, Barry, but it's your fantasy, not anything Doug has
said he believes or is going to do. And FYI, it's entirely possible to ask a
"real" question without being abusive.
(snip)
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
"neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-)
As I said earlier, it seems some here think the only form moderation takes is
expulsion. I doubt that's how Doug sees it. His post to Michael sounds to me
like a very gentle warning. My guess is that people will be put on moderated
status, warnings will be given, and only if the warnings are repeatedly ignored
will expulsion be considered.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and
got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
How about retracting all the accusations you made against me in your earlier
post, which you messed up as badly as you did this one?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
I have actually traded words with Bobby Schneider on the blog Cardio Brief by
Larry Husten who writes for Forbes.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I
would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM,
especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or
authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic
psychiatry" presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are
more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes
that he can get his act together and his "TM ego" out of the way and become a
truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that
hope.
I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any
desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have
stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those
guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud
instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love
to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends.
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted
here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the
tone for all his followers.
I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy.
It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's
been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no
other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done
consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor
ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU
use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way ("I would verbally slap
this jackass into the middle of next week"), suddenly it's a "threat."
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
"neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-)
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number,
and got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug
actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not
terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT
a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that
he's characterizing as a "threat."
Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass
into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who
need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I
hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic psychiatry" presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. Seems to me Doug is referring to a threat of *verbal* abuse, which is precisely what Michael made (he reiterates it above). (snip) What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. That may fascinate you, Barry, but it's your fantasy, not anything Doug has said he believes or is going to do. And FYI, it's entirely possible to ask a "real" question without being abusive. (snip) I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already *planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be "neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-) As I said earlier, it seems some here think the only form moderation takes is expulsion. I doubt that's how Doug sees it. His post to Michael sounds to me like a very gentle warning. My guess is that people will be put on moderated status, warnings will be given, and only if the warnings are repeatedly ignored will expulsion be considered. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. How about retracting all the accusations you made against me in your earlier post, which you messed up as badly as you did this one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
> Just out of interest though, what do you think the term "spiritual" actually > means? I haven't seen Doug's answer to this, but thought that the question deserved *some* response, so here's one from Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, discussing that very question: "What is spirituality?" The Four Foundations of Mindfulness – Lion's Roar | | | | | | | | | | | The Four Foundations of Mindfulness – Lion's RoarAccording to the late Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, spirituality means relating with the working basis of one’s existence, which is one’s state of mind. | | | | View on www.lionsroar.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! RE post 416341 It's just a knee jerk reaction, nothing to worry about. I said exactly the same thing only with the addition of a few qualifying statements. I'm sure that if anyone from MUM joined up for a chat we'd all be interested to hear what they have to say, just because we rant occasionally amongst ourselves doesn't mean we're a bunch of animals. When Fred Travis joined in with TM-Free he got a very respectful welcome and some serious questions all of which he attempted to answer - he even agreed with me that the TMO shouldn't try to make money out of products - yagya, MVVT etc - that it hasn't scientifically verified! I'd rather you got Nader or Hagelin though, I'll line up some proper physicists and we'll have a grand old time. Just out of interest though, what do you think the term "spiritual" actually means? It comes from the Latin Spiritus Animus or that which animates us. The idea being that there is some spark or soul within us that gives us life. It's a term that seems to have morphed somewhat in recent years though with the co-opting and mingling of scientific principles with eastern thought whether it's justified or not. Discussions about whether such an entity exists, how it might work and what it might do are what interest me most, and whether Spiritual is a "mere" religious system nowadays rather than the all encompassing Theory of Everything that it claims to be. Anyway, it's lucky that Rick just put FFL in that category because it seems to fit with the TM belief system and that he wasn't seriously expecting us to limit our conversation to matters of the new age and nothing else. >From the FFL home page: "Pretty much any topic is fair game. "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell " I mention all this Doug, because you have a history of accepting and promoting the dogmatic insistence of the TMO that certain of it's beliefs are in fact facts and I don't want alternative viewpoints moderated on partisan grounds. Things should stand or fall on the strength of evidence not devotion. "The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions." ~ The I Ching ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'.Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse.Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Doug,
Unfortunately, as I predicted, we have a member here, Barry, who is so
threatened by this change in moderatorship, that he is on a non stop campaign
to disrupt the new direction in which FFL is moving, at any cost.
I think it will take a while for some of the older members of FFL who left to
feel comfortable again about posting on the topics which come up, but in the
meantime, we can be assured that Barry will continue, undiminished in his
campaign to keep this from happening.
I hope we can stay the course, and maybe, Barry, will feel more comfortable
with a more civil interaction.
After all, Xeno has advised us, and I quote, (mostly),
"Barry is creative enough to adopt to the new environment at FFL"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would
not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his
idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form
of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic psychiatry" presentation I have
already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes
that he can get his act together and his "TM ego" out of the way and become a
truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that
hope.
I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any
desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have
stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those
guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud
instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love
to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends.
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted
here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the
tone for all his followers.
I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy.
It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's
been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no
other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done
consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor
ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU
use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way ("I would verbally slap
this jackass into the middle of next week"), suddenly it's a "threat."
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
"neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-)
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and
got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if
Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's
not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is
NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased
that he's characterizing as a "threat."
Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this
jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I
would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM,
especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or
authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic
psychiatry" presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are
more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes
that he can get his act together and his "TM ego" out of the way and become a
truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that
hope.
I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any
desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have
stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those
guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud
instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love
to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends.
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted
here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the
tone for all his followers.
I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy.
It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's
been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no
other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done
consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor
ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU
use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way ("I would verbally slap
this jackass into the middle of next week"), suddenly it's a "threat."
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
"neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-)
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number,
and got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug
actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not
terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT
a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that
he's characterizing as a "threat."
Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass
into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who
need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I
hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would
hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You
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All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic psychiatry" presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the tone for all his followers. I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a "threat." Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a "threat." 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a "threat" in any way. He said, "Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer?" In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a "threat?" WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a "slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy," as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a "slur," let alone a "threat." Do
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OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a "threat." Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a "threat." 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a "threat" in any way. He said, "Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer?" In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a "threat?" WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a "slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy," as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a "slur," let alone a "threat." Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to get it under control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true.
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From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a "threat." 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a "threat" in any way. He said, "Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer?" In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a "threat?" WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a "slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy," as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a "slur," let alone a "threat." Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to get it under control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do
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RE post 416341 It's just a knee jerk reaction, nothing to worry about. I said exactly the same thing only with the addition of a few qualifying statements. I'm sure that if anyone from MUM joined up for a chat we'd all be interested to hear what they have to say, just because we rant occasionally amongst ourselves doesn't mean we're a bunch of animals. When Fred Travis joined in with TM-Free he got a very respectful welcome and some serious questions all of which he attempted to answer - he even agreed with me that the TMO shouldn't try to make money out of products - yagya, MVVT etc - that it hasn't scientifically verified! I'd rather you got Nader or Hagelin though, I'll line up some proper physicists and we'll have a grand old time. Just out of interest though, what do you think the term "spiritual" actually means? It comes from the Latin Spiritus Animus or that which animates us. The idea being that there is some spark or soul within us that gives us life. It's a term that seems to have morphed somewhat in recent years though with the co-opting and mingling of scientific principles with eastern thought whether it's justified or not. Discussions about whether such an entity exists, how it might work and what it might do are what interest me most, and whether Spiritual is a "mere" religious system nowadays rather than the all encompassing Theory of Everything that it claims to be. Anyway, it's lucky that Rick just put FFL in that category because it seems to fit with the TM belief system and that he wasn't seriously expecting us to limit our conversation to matters of the new age and nothing else. From the FFL home page: "Pretty much any topic is fair game. "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell " I mention all this Doug, because you have a history of accepting and promoting the dogmatic insistence of the TMO that certain of it's beliefs are in fact facts and I don't want alternative viewpoints moderated on partisan grounds. Things should stand or fall on the strength of evidence not devotion. "The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions." ~ The I Ching ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that som
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Doug, if I could make a suggestion--I'm not sure everyone here understands what the term "moderation" actually refers to since it's never really been in effect here. Some seem to think it means nothing less than expulsion from the group. I'm not clear myself about how you plan to handle things. I think when you say "pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status" you mean change the member's settings so that his posts are sent to you for approval (or not) before they're posted to the Web site, so that you can cancel any that you feel transgress the guidelines. Is that correct? Would it also be correct to say that expulsion is a last resort if none of the milder measures available to you (e.g., canceling posts, warnings) have the desired effect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle.
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MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advai
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is the way it is with spiritual experiences; they come, they go, yes, that is the way it happens at the time they seem as if they are important, not necessarily. see your statement above. and then they are not. As ego dies away, it grabs onto them as a lifeline, puffing them up beyond their real significance. I guess for some this might be the case, but certainly not for all. In fact most of the individuals I know personally, who have (or had) such experiences, were extremely low key about them. Before enlightenment, brush your teeth and go to bed; after enlightenment, brush your teeth and go to bed. Once you find out there is nothing of significance, you no longer have to shoulder the oppression of the world and meddle with the inane intricacies of spiritual systems. Wake, work, brush teeth, sleep, over and over and over. Everything comes to nothing, and through all this diamonds of no significance are strewn along your way. Yes, that is way I think it goes, and way I feel about my own experiences along these lines. But, really, so what, if one is inclined to be more bold about the whole affair. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is rather funny. I would say the requirement for the reporting of so called spiritual experiences on FFL, to avoid the routine belittling and lampooning of such experiences, had to meet the following requirements, and post the following disclaimers. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience has absolutely NO IMPORTANCE and is akin to brushing my teeth. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience could JUST AS LIKELY be the result of RANDOM BRAIN ACTIVITY. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that there is an equal possibility that this experiences was a result of mood making as from any true “spiritual” experience or awakening. In fact I must concede that this is likely the case. And, as long as the reporting of such experiences met these requirements, (and others) they were given a pass. If not, let the ridicule begin. Just sayin'
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This is the way it is with spiritual experiences; they come, they go, at the time they seem as if they are important, and then they are not. As ego dies away, it grabs onto them as a lifeline, puffing them up beyond their real significance. Before enlightenment, brush your teeth and go to bed; after enlightenment, brush your teeth and go to bed. Once you find out there is nothing of significance, you no longer have to shoulder the oppression of the world and meddle with the inane intricacies of spiritual systems. Wake, work, brush teeth, sleep, over and over and over. Everything comes to nothing, and through all this diamonds of no significance are strewn along your way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is rather funny. I would say the requirement for the reporting of so called spiritual experiences on FFL, to avoid the routine belittling and lampooning of such experiences, had to meet the following requirements, and post the following disclaimers. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience has absolutely NO IMPORTANCE and is akin to brushing my teeth. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience could JUST AS LIKELY be the result of RANDOM BRAIN ACTIVITY. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that there is an equal possibility that this experiences was a result of mood making as from any true “spiritual” experience or awakening. In fact I must concede that this is likely the case. And, as long as the reporting of such experiences met these requirements, (and others) they were given a pass. If not, let the ridicule begin. Just sayin'
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This is rather funny. I would say the requirement for the reporting of so called spiritual experiences on FFL, to avoid the routine belittling and lampooning of such experiences, had to meet the following requirements, and post the following disclaimers. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience has absolutely NO IMPORTANCE and is akin to brushing my teeth. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that this experience could JUST AS LIKELY be the result of RANDOM BRAIN ACTIVITY. I hereby acknowledge and DECLARE that there is an equal possibility that this experiences was a result of mood making as from any true “spiritual” experience or awakening. In fact I must concede that this is likely the case. And, as long as the reporting of such experiences met these requirements, (and others) they were given a pass. If not, let the ridicule begin. Just sayin' And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. NOT every single person. Show me who has taken Salyavin or Curtis to task for mentioning their Unity experiences, or Anartaxius for writing about some of his experiences. I don't remember that happening. Why? Well, IMO because when they did so it was pretty matter-of-fact (this happened) and devoid of pretense (this thing that happened "meant" what I say it did and nothing else). Now think back to how many people -- not just myself -- have reacted to those whose ego was flashing like a neon sign and who seemed unable to describe any experience without declaring what it "means" and how superior that makes them.
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ence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. Unless you can show me the Yahoo Guidelines section that prohibits what you are describing...uh...it isn't. It's just you wanting people to react a certain way to things that you say or write and feeling unhappy when they don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: sa
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y as Joey that day. He so innocently beamed his love. That's my goal in life. Be as happy and as wrong . . . and as right as Joey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it doe
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And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert --
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. This is a good observation. There are experiences where thoughts will be consonant with experience. Awakening tends not to be that way, because it shows that on the level of thought, you had no idea what you were talking about. After a few years, thoughts about that can become more consonant, but by that time, you are pretty well settled into thinking your thoughts are at best tenuously connected to spiritual experiences. Thought are better suited to figuring out how to open a bottle of beer that does not have a twist-off cap and you have not bottle opener. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Nabby is sincere, but seems unable to accept prosaic, simple explanations for things that are obvious to most people. That is not an argument he is wrong, but his aliens are pretty stupid if that is the only way they can communicate. Look, we only have very local space travel, but we have RADIO and TELEVISION, and BILLBOARDS, we have all sorts of ways to communicate. If you wanted to tell someone something, would you make a crop circle or do something a bit more direct? Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. Anyone can toss a stone, and be the first if you are fast enough. It is the repercussions in your mind that you have to be cognizant of, after the fact. If you think of them before the fact, maybe you will not toss that rock. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. Except by what you say, we cannot know whether you have had experiences or not, so no facts are in evidence except second-hand information about something. You cannot prove you had them, we cannot prove you did not. But it is reasonable to question what you say. Now from a few years ago, I recall responding to you about something you said about experiences. I thought you had had some. Not sure what exactly, but you sounded like someone who had had some sort of experience. Now Barry said he saw what's-his-name levitate. I don't believe it, but I have no evidence one way or the other. There are many possible explanations in the absence of having been there. All we know is Barry said this. Other followers of Lenz also reported similar things. So we have evidence that something happened, but not an explanation. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. I think people shy away from your posts a bit because sometimes you come on a bit crazy sounding. Another way to talk about experiences is to talk about them as if someone else had them, not in the first person. Maharishi rarely talked about experiences in the first person. There are dangers in talking about experiences, but ultimately experiences are not where it is at. Experiences are the side effect of movement toward awakening, they are artefacts of the garbage removal process. So when the garbage is gone, it smells nicer, but the garbage can (the mind and body) is still there, and all that has happened is you have moved a bit closer to normalcy. FFL is the place where prophets go to find out if they are fooling themselves. Of course we have idiots here too. Wonder which one we are. And, b
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d in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside. But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944. Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) I just wish I'd tried peeling some wallpaper back, I might have found some Nazi graffiti, a few swastikas and odes to the Fatherland maybe. That would have been cool. In another TM mansion I lived in we had a haunted corridor. The house was 14th century so quite a few people must have passed away in that time. Most of the place was lovely with oak panels and that sort of thing but this one place used to give me the screaming heebies. I hated walking through it even but when I had to fix a new smoke detector up there I must have aged years. It was the corridor outside the room Marshy used to stay in. No connection implied as I slept in the room once myself and the atmosphere stopped at the door. Huge stone fireplace I recall, all it needed was some suits of armour and the Scooby Doo illusion would have been complete. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside. But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944. Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the inte
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I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions.
If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-)
From: Duveyoung
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking,"
but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of
my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or
you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Excellent.
A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it.
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during
the period I lived there. :-)
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside. But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944. Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Excellent.
A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it.
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during
the period I lived there. :-)
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part
of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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[FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside. But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944. Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
