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Dear Bronte Baxter,
Thanks for posting that passionate piece challenging basic assumptions on the 
nature and value of enlightenment.  More on that below.

Meanwhile, I agree that knowledge is knowledge whether we call it just plain 
knowing, or  psychic, or intuitive, or whole, or cosmic, or whatever.  Any 
difference between them is a difference in degree, not in kind.  I also agree 
that someone who knows at the high degree that the giver of dharshan to beggars 
claims for herself and then says, “I’m not special,” is being somewhat 
disingenuous, if not downright fulsome. So you can certainly be forgiven for 
puking in public.

On the other hand, Rick’s friend is dead right about not being special.  We all 
have the kind of knowledge she claims for herself, if only in embryonic form.  
I’m sure we’ve all had the experience of not being able to raise the name of 
someone we know quite well.  That person is fully present in our awareness, we 
are certain about who it is we have in mind, yet we can’t drag the name into 
the realm of manifest language as a thought-form (madhyama) or as an expressed 
set of sounds (vaikhari). Similarly, we all have the experience of not being 
able to spit out a word we want during a “senior moment.”  We know exactly 
which word it is; we know it with perfect faith and absolute certainty, yet it 
is just about wholly unmanifest (so much for Derrida’s notion that there ain’t 
no such thing as a transcendental signified). This is stunning knowledge when 
it comes right down to it, and the only reason we’re not electrified by it is 
the fact that the experience is so very common and
 that we generally don’t really think about anything so common.

Well, if we can know a person whose name we can’t raise or a word that won’t 
come into the bounded spotlight of manifestation, and know it with such 
absolute certainty, then knowing The Word in it's infinite divinity is not 
really a stretch.  I could argue that such knowledge is “bigger” than the 
knowledge of some lady living in cramped quarters (a telling example), but it 
is “bigger” only from a point of view that doesn’t apprehend the Word in all 
its fullness.  From that point of view, an ant’s knowledge is no smaller than 
mine.  That’s me speaking through The Word for a moment in that last sentence.

Now about your very intelligent and compassionate challenge of basic 
assumptions: I (speaking as an ant this time), I, too, find it telling that 
here in Fairfield we’re interested only in our own groovy experiences, our own 
evolution, and our own enlightenment for its own sake, rather than for the sake 
of all that lives, while, on the other side of the world, Burmese monks by the 
thousands are risking death, and, worse, torture, to free (other) people from 
oppressive government.  We can certainly argue about which community is more 
enlightened, theirs or ours.  

You raise issues worthy of discussion, and I hope the group doesn’t shut you 
down as they did me when I challenged those assumptions upon first joining the 
group. My challenge of these basic assumptions was in the context of the values 
we espouse in the meditating community being essentially those of Hitler’s 
Germany, though wrapped in different color paper.   
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From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:50:23 -0000
Subject:  [FairfieldLife] Challenging Assumptions

                          
 [ Interestingly, I wrote this Friday afternoon, 
 several hours before Ron's reply to my email to 
 him, on a similar subject. I'm posting it this
 morning in lieu of a direct reply to his post. ]
 
 "The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions." 
 ~ The I Ching
 
 That's what it says on the main page of Fairfield Life. 
 And that's what a number of the folks who chat here do,
 on a fairly regular basis. That's why I like the place.
 
 But I've noticed that there are a few assumptions that
 no one (or almost no one) ever challenges. These assump-
 tions have *been* assumptions for so many of us, and for
 so long, that they are just given a "free ride," and 
 almost everyone accepts them as a given. No one even
 *thinks* about challenging them.
 
 The one I'm going to challenge tonight, just for the fun
 of it, is a Big One, possibly the biggest, never-challenged
 assumption in the whole enlightenment game. Briefly stated,
 it is:
 
 "Enlightenment is a worthy thing to spend one's
 life pursuing; in fact, it is the *most* worthy
 thing you could spend your life pursuing."
 
 You find this assumption underlying all but a few traditions
 that have a notion of enlightenment, as part of their dogma.
 It manifests as respect for (or even reverence for) those
 who are "one-pointed" in their desire for enlightenment. It
 manifests in the time that seekers spend searching for the
 supposedly-enlightened, and then listening to what they have
 to say. It manifests in the monks (in TM-ese, Purusha types)
 and nuns (in TM-ese, Mother Divine ladies) who give up pretty
 much everything in life *except* the pursuit of enlightenment.
 Families don't matter to them, career doesn't matter to them,
 achievement of things in the world doesn't matter to them --
 if they are to be believed, the only thing that *does* matter 
 to them is the realization of their own enlightenment.
 
 And therein lies the rub. It's in the words "their own."
 
 Enlightenment is a subjective thing. It can never be proved,
 and it can never be measured, at least in my opinion. It can
 only be experienced -- subjectively -- by the person who is
 experiencing it. Thus it's all about ME -- my perceptions, 
 my overcoming suffering or becoming more happy, my ability 
 to attain 'higher' knowledge or have 'more refined' exper-
 iences and perceptions. 
 
 There are some -- strong philosophers and spiritual teachers
 among them -- who have stated that the one-pointed pursuit
 of enlightenment is the most SELFISH thing that a person
 could possibly do with their lives, *because* it is purely
 subjective. It's a way of declaring to the world, "I have
 decided that the most important thing in the world is the
 quality of my own subjective experience; that is where I 
 choose to put my focus; nothing else (or little else) 
 really matters."
 
 And this attitude gets APPLAUDED in many, if not most, 
 spiritual traditions. It is seen as not only a good thing,
 but the *best* thing. Go figure.
 
 The dogma of these spiritual traditions tends to support this
 assumption, without ever for a moment challenging it. Hard-
 core, fundamentalist Buddhism talks about life being suffering,
 and *only* enlightenment being a way beyond suffering. There-
 fore, why would you spend your time on anything else? (This is
 why I have nothing whatsoever to do with hard-core, fundamen-
 talist Buddhism; my life has *never* been suffering, and thus 
 that particular aversion/desire pair does nothing for me.)
 
 The dogma also invents things to make it seem as if this 
 purely subjective process of realizing enlightenment has 
 an objective value *in itself*. The enlightened radiate 
 magical Woo Woo Rays. The very presence of one of them in 
 your neighborhood makes all the flowers brighter and the 
 corn grow taller. Stuff like that. This may be, but I have 
 seen *just* as much evidence of this kinda stuff being a fact 
 as I have of enlightenment itself being a fact -- that is, 
 none whatsoever. I don't expect to ever see such evidence.
 
 But thousands (if not millions) of believers worldwide still 
 devote their lives to the pursuit of enlightenment above all
 else, without ever delving deeply into the question, "What 
 is enlightenment *good for*, anyway?"
 
 Clearly, if all the glowing, blissed-out talk, talk, talk
 from the supposedly-enlightened is any indication, it's good
 for believing that you've got everything figured out. For 
 many of the supposedly-enlightened, it's also clearly good 
 in that it allows them to believe that *as* enlightened 
 beings, they are much more "evolved" or insightful or 
 happening than all those poor non-enlightened beings who
 come to them for advice and help along the Way.
 
 But I'm challenging this "base assumption" of many of the
 world's spiritual traditions because, as a life-long watcher
 *of* such traditions, I don't see a lot of the supposedly-
 enlightened actually DOING much for anyone but themselves.
 
 Oh sure, they may give a little "darshan" here and there,
 or teach classes or write books, but when you come right 
 down to it, much of that is about trying to convince others 
 that *they* should do everything they can to get as enlight-
 ened as the supposedly-enlightened teachers are. It's about 
 preserving the status quo of the enlightenment business, 
 and keeping a never-ending line of seekers at the door to
 pay the bills and pay homage.
 
 How many of the supposedly-enlightened ever get their hands
 dirty doing something that *directly* helps people who have
 not drunk the Kool-Aid and thus are not already pursuing 
 enlightenment? How many of them do stuff for the poor, who 
 couldn't care *less* about becoming enlightened? How many 
 of them work to prevent wars and injustice, except on the 
 level of kicking back and radiating Woo Woo Rays?
 
 It's as if the attainment of enlightenment was *enough* for
 many of these supposedly-enlightened guys and gals. They've 
 *done* their work for this incarnation. Now they can just 
 kick back and live on their pension (enlightenment), content 
 with having people hang around and admire them for being all 
 enlightened and all.
 
 Sorry, but that's just not *enough* for me.
 
 When it comes to my personal priorities in life, realizing
 my own personal enlightenment doesn't even make the Top Ten.
 Those ten spots are all taken up by activities that have
 at least something to do with helping other people more 
 than they do with helping myself.  
 
 And I've met monks who feel *exactly* the same way. While
 they are *nominally* on a path that many would call a pathway
 to enlightenment, *no* thought is given on a daily basis to
 actually *achieving* that enlightenment; they consider it a
 lesser goal than focusing on a daily basis on helping other
 people, in whatever way they can. 
 
 These monks I can identify with; they have what I think is 
 a cool attitude about enlightenment. I have had long conver-
 sations with many of them, in Tibetan traditions and in Zen 
 traditions and in others, and their example never ceases to 
 inspire me. They don't give a shit whether they personally 
 *ever* realize their own enlightenment; they focus on Here 
 And Now, and on doing the things that they feel will have 
 the most benefit for other sentient beings.
 
 Their assumptions about how to live and where to put their
 focus in life may be *just* as flawed and *just* as chal-
 lengeable as the assumption that one should be "one-pointed 
 about enlightenment." I have no problem with anyone who wants 
 to challenge them. What I am expressing is mere preference, 
 not any kind of "rule" or "cosmic law" or "truth." But at 
 the same time I can't help but think that these monks who 
 consider the objective well-being of others more important 
 than their own subjective well-being are onto something.
 
 But this is all Just My Opinion. You guys talk it out for
 yourselves...
 
 
     
           

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