Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually Whatever. Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). Whatever. But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. Whatever. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. Not true. Back in Squaw Valley he still clung to Hindu superstition that claimed that each of us humans is born with a predetermined number of breaths during our lifetime. Therefore, according to his weird way of thinking, anything that increased the breath rate (running, aerobics, swimming, etc.) was BAD for you because it expended your allotted number of breaths sooner and caused you to die sooner. I'm serious. He actually TAUGHT this hogwash, and people were gullible enough to believe it. Runners stopped running, people stopped exercising, and pretty much the only time they moved their bodies was while doing his lame set of yoga asanas. I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Plus, there are occasionally topics discussed that I'm interested in. But on the whole it's a collection of crazy people, so I occasionally find it entertaining. What you don't seem to understand is that I am against TM *ever* being taught in the schools, and will be even if you produce a thousand studies showing how great it is. TM does not *belong* in U.S. schools because it's taught using a religious ceremony and because the TM teachers simply can't help themselves, and have to try to suck every prospective new TMer deeper into the cult, and thus into cult thinking. If people feel like paying for TM and actually believe it does something good for them, I have no problems with that. Pushing it like a drug onto school kids...that's a whole other thing, one that I would fight on Constitutional grounds any day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
turq and Lawson, it's amazing to me how Maharishi was even a visionary about aerobics! Some fitness experts no longer advocate long bouts of aerobic exercise as was done in the day when Jim Fixx, a regular jogger, died of a heart attack. It's now thought that such exercise actually strains the heart. Better to do short bursts of intense aerobics. Plus weight bearing and stretching. On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually Whatever. Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). Whatever. But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. Whatever. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. Not true. Back in Squaw Valley he still clung to Hindu superstition that claimed that each of us humans is born with a predetermined number of breaths during our lifetime. Therefore, according to his weird way of thinking, anything that increased the breath rate (running, aerobics, swimming, etc.) was BAD for you because it expended your allotted number of breaths sooner and caused you to die sooner. I'm serious. He actually TAUGHT this hogwash, and people were gullible enough to believe it. Runners stopped running, people stopped exercising, and pretty much the only time they moved their bodies was while doing his lame set of yoga asanas. I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Plus, there are occasionally topics discussed that I'm interested in. But on the whole it's a collection of crazy people, so I occasionally find it entertaining. What you don't seem to understand is that I am against TM *ever* being taught in the schools, and will be even if you produce a thousand studies showing how great it is. TM does not *belong* in U.S. schools because it's taught using a religious ceremony and because the TM teachers simply can't help themselves, and have to try to suck every prospective new TMer deeper into the cult, and thus into cult thinking. If people feel like paying for TM and actually believe it does something good for them, I have no problems with that. Pushing it like a drug onto school kids...that's a whole other thing, one that I would fight on Constitutional grounds any day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
again, TM has absolutely NOTHING to do with chi gung AND chi gung is NOT the
same thing as falun gong - not by a long shot.
On Wed, 5/7/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Repentance Spiritually
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 1:14 AM
David Lynch and Bob Roth, brainwashers
extraordinaire...
OhKy...
Now for
the rest, you DO realize that the Chinese government frowns
on certain groups that incorporate qigong and has outlawed
several groups because they are a threat to the
state?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhong_Gonghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falon_Gong
MUM, on
the other hand, has formal academic relations with
universities in China, including student exchange
agreements, including Beijing Union
University.
http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelID=651046issearch=chinese
http://english.buu.edu.cn/col/col13109/index.html
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote :
First of all and I
say these things with respect to you Lawson because although
you and I have traded words and ideas ever since the Cardio
Brief event, I sense that you are not a complete ass like
WillyTex and that you are seeking some good thing in life. I
don't know if you were kidding around when you said in
another post that you were OCD but if so I sympathize if you
are.
To begin with, Richard is an idiot who is either a person
who gets off on trying to upset folks through deliberately
acting like he misunderstands what they are saying or he has
serious information processing issues. I have not stopped
chi gung.
And the idea that to Chinese people TM is a form of chi gung
is nonsense unless the Chinese people are fanatic TM'ers
who have been brainwashed by the likes of David Lynch or Bob
Roth.
On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great
oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 11:36 PM
The irony is that, from a Chinese perspective, TM
is a form of qi-qong. It's pretty much the generic
term
for mental spiritual practice, aka
meditation in English. Of course, it also
includes practices that involve movement, breathing
exercises,etc.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
punditster@... wrote :
On
5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
my
spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging
folks
who
are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and
desist
and stop raght naow!
So, you've quit the China chi-chong
practice? Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. He must have gotten some lung exercises when he would indulge in his juvenile rants when chewing someone out who displeased him. And he must have gotten some aerobic exercise when he was screwing all those babes, unless he made them get on top every time. On Wed, 5/7/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 9:28 AM From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually Whatever. Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years).Whatever. But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. Whatever. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. Not true. Back in Squaw Valley he still clung to Hindu superstition that claimed that each of us humans is born with a predetermined number of breaths during our lifetime. Therefore, according to his weird way of thinking, anything that increased the breath rate (running, aerobics, swimming, etc.) was BAD for you because it expended your allotted number of breaths sooner and caused you to die sooner. I'm serious. He actually TAUGHT this hogwash, and people were gullible enough to believe it. Runners stopped running, people stopped exercising, and pretty much the only time they moved their bodies was while doing his lame set of yoga asanas. I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Plus, there are occasionally topics discussed that I'm interested in. But on the whole it's a collection of crazy people, so I occasionally find it entertaining. What you don't seem to understand is that I am against TM *ever* being taught in the schools, and will be even if you produce a thousand studies showing how great it is. TM does not *belong* in U.S. schools because it's taught using a religious ceremony and because the TM teachers simply can't help themselves, and have to try to suck every prospective new TMer deeper into the cult, and thus into cult thinking. If people feel like
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually turq and Lawson, it's amazing to me how Maharishi was even a visionary about aerobics! Some fitness experts no longer advocate long bouts of aerobic exercise as was done in the day when Jim Fixx, a regular jogger, died of a heart attack. It's now thought that such exercise actually strains the heart. Better to do short bursts of intense aerobics. Plus weight bearing and stretching. Don't be a gullible cultist, Share. Until he was forced to incorporate some kind of physical education into MIU and Maharishi Schools to keep them accredited, Maharishi taught that ALL exercise that increased your breath rate was bad for you. And he did this because of his completely superstitious Hindu beliefs, not any kind of visionary thinking. On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually Whatever. Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). Whatever. But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. Whatever. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. Not true. Back in Squaw Valley he still clung to Hindu superstition that claimed that each of us humans is born with a predetermined number of breaths during our lifetime. Therefore, according to his weird way of thinking, anything that increased the breath rate (running, aerobics, swimming, etc.) was BAD for you because it expended your allotted number of breaths sooner and caused you to die sooner. I'm serious. He actually TAUGHT this hogwash, and people were gullible enough to believe it. Runners stopped running, people stopped exercising, and pretty much the only time they moved their bodies was while doing his lame set of yoga asanas. I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Plus, there are occasionally topics discussed that I'm interested in. But on the whole it's a collection of crazy people, so I occasionally find it entertaining. What you don't seem to understand is that I am against TM *ever* being taught in the schools, and will be even if you produce a thousand studies showing how great it is. TM does not *belong* in U.S. schools
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
turq, I think everybody's a gullible cultist about something! Best to just own up to it, know we might be wrong, and live fully anyway. Traveling to Maryland today for annual Mother's Day visit to family. Will participate as travel permits. Have fun everyone (-: On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually turq and Lawson, it's amazing to me how Maharishi was even a visionary about aerobics! Some fitness experts no longer advocate long bouts of aerobic exercise as was done in the day when Jim Fixx, a regular jogger, died of a heart attack. It's now thought that such exercise actually strains the heart. Better to do short bursts of intense aerobics. Plus weight bearing and stretching. Don't be a gullible cultist, Share. Until he was forced to incorporate some kind of physical education into MIU and Maharishi Schools to keep them accredited, Maharishi taught that ALL exercise that increased your breath rate was bad for you. And he did this because of his completely superstitious Hindu beliefs, not any kind of visionary thinking. On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually Whatever. Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). Whatever. But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. Whatever. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. Not true. Back in Squaw Valley he still clung to Hindu superstition that claimed that each of us humans is born with a predetermined number of breaths during our lifetime. Therefore, according to his weird way of thinking, anything that increased the breath rate (running, aerobics, swimming, etc.) was BAD for you because it expended your allotted number of breaths sooner and caused you to die sooner. I'm serious. He actually TAUGHT this hogwash, and people were gullible enough to believe it. Runners stopped running, people stopped exercising, and pretty much the only time they moved their bodies was while doing his lame set of yoga asanas. I'm pretty certain that the only exercise Maharishi ever got in his life was walking from a limo into a lecture hall. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Plus, there are occasionally
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The part that's difficult for me to understand, Lawson, is how you could possibly CARE so much about whether the technique of meditation you once learned wins and is proven best in scientific studies. Could it possibly be that you were brainwashed for years by being told that by MMY and his TM teachers that it *was* the best, and now feel as much of a compulsion to prove it as they did? And why do you need to believe that anyone who believes anything (if indeed Lawson believes what you think he believes) is brainwashed? Who brainwashed you into believing that anyone who believes anything is brainwashed? Is a cultist? You might want to put that in your pipe and smoke it. Try to imagine someone spending as much time as you spend promoting TM and proselytizing its supposed benefits for something they had once bought, like, say, a car. It would be pretty weird to see someone that evangelistic about a Ford, or a Chevy, seemingly driven to prove it the best and spending hours every week trying to do so, right? Lawson is far less a proselytizer than you are. Your soap box is bigger and higher than anyones when it comes to lecturing and berating and taking a holier-than-thou stance. You did notice that the only therapy/treatment to be rated A and I (thus the best) is something that Maharishi once decried as terrible and a waste of breath, and thus life, right? He used to pooh-pooh and discourage any kind of aerobic exercise until students at MIU started failing standardized fitness tests. Interesting that dynamic aerobic exercise kicks his technique's butt in this study. Not interesting at all. For a guy who purportedly spends his exciting days rehashing medical articles I would have thought you would know that exercise is about the best natural lowerer of BP there is. No surprise there. Domash seemed to realize the benefits of aerobics early on, he married a rather attractive instructor back in the 80's.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Certainly, wanting to be certain that I haven't wasted 20 minutes twice a day for 40 years, is part of the issue (not to mention another 15 minutes twice-a-day doing the TM-siddhis for the past 30 years). But... Think about it: if the effects of TM can be gained from reading a book, everyone should be reading that book. On the other hand, if what TM teachers teach is special in some sense, people need to know that too. Consider the latest research coming out of Africa on PTSD. The studies are overwhelmingly positive and are bound to show regression to the mean at least somewhat in any replications, but what if TM really CAN have such an effect consistently on certain people (at least war refugees living in Africa with no other support for stress at all) with PTSD? This is HUGE. While, objectively speaking, it would be nice if other practices had the same or better effect, MBSR is taught over a 2 month period, and researchers don't even bother doing a followup measurement on PTSD symptoms until 3 months after people complete the 8-week course, and even 20 weeks after they first start learning mindfulness practices, they still don't have as good an outcome as even the less-dramatic studies on TM and PTSD in veterans have found in a fraction of the time. I always waned to be a TM teacher, but never thought I was mentally stable enough to become one. Even so, I can help out a little bit, if the practice really is worth what the research suggests it is worth. If the practice isn't as worthwhile, I want research done that will credibly find the truth, period. And TM isn't meant to be a hypertension therapy per se so the fact that it has such benefits is very interesting. I didn't know that Maharishi pooh-poohed aerobic exercise. I always heard engage in as much dynamic activity as possible without hurting yourself. The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? L Gee Bawee, Lawson sounds so much more balanced and reasonable in this post than you did in what he is responding to. What could this mean? Maybe you aren't all you think you are, maybe you have no idea what kind of a narrow-minded, chest thumping hypocrite you appear to be. You are trying to put us all on on purpose, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The part that's difficult for me to understand, Lawson, is how you could possibly CARE so much about whether the technique of meditation you once learned wins and is proven best in scientific studies. Could it possibly be that you were brainwashed for years by being told that by MMY and his TM teachers that it *was* the best, and now feel as much of a compulsion to prove it as they did? Try to imagine someone spending as much time as you spend promoting TM and proselytizing its supposed benefits for something they had once bought, like, say, a car. It would be pretty weird to see someone that evangelistic about a Ford, or a Chevy, seemingly driven to prove it the best and spending hours every week trying to do so, right? You did notice that the only therapy/treatment to be rated A and I (thus the best) is something that Maharishi once decried as terrible and a waste of breath, and thus life, right? He used to pooh-pooh and discourage any kind of aerobic exercise until students at MIU started failing standardized fitness tests. Interesting that dynamic aerobic exercise kicks his technique's butt in this study.
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Comments below... The flipside, of course, is why you care? I met you online what, 15-20 years ago? You weren't as anti-TM as you appear to be now, even though you made clear that you no longer practiced it. What changed? Nothing changed, because I wasn't anti-TM then, and am not now. I am anti cult thinking and anti bullshit and anti fraud. To me, TM fits into all of those categories. Believing that someone is against you because he is not a fan of something you identify with is just paranoia and self-importance in my book. Lawson didn't say you were against HIM, he said you were against TM. Now who's paranoid and self-important? I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Bullshit. You still hang here because it gives you an excuse to attack people and show your contempt for them. That's what you live for.
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On 5/7/2014 3:34 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: The part that's difficult for me to understand, It's not complicated. You were mistaken twice yesterday, about the hierarchy in coding and the cause of most wars and genocides. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 6:37 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: again, TM has absolutely NOTHING to do with chi gung AND chi gung is NOT the same thing as falun gong - not by a long shot. According to MMY, TM is meditation that provides the ideal opportunity for transcending to pure consciousness. Falon Gong is meditation that is based on the principle of chi, pure consciousness, which leads to enlightenment of the individual. Popular Chinese chi gung is based on the placement and positioning of the physical body - the aim and goal of chi gung is relaxation and improved health through the use of nostrums. Popular chi gung is supported by the Chinese communist government. It is unlawful to preach the philosophy of individual enlightenment in China. Apparently MJ is practicing the latter. It is unclear at this point if he is a communist or a right-winger bigot, but it sure looks like we've got a brain-problem situation on our hands. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 6:39 AM, Share Long wrote: turq and Lawson, it's amazing to me how Maharishi was even a visionary about aerobics! */Now this is FUNNY/* - it looks like /yogic flying/ is one of the best and most effective /aerobics/ exercises. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 6:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: He must have gotten some lung exercises when he would indulge in his juvenile rants when chewing someone out who displeased him. Did this happen to you, or were you dreaming? And he must have gotten some aerobic exercise when he was screwing all those babes, unless he made them get on top every time. This is pure speculation, but it could have some truth to it. The problem with this theory is that MJ obviously wasn't there, except maybe in his dreams. MJ seems to be preocoupied with MMY's private sex life. Maybe that's just a result of his own failures. But, it does seem to border on the perverted though, to be so interested in the subject at such an early hour of the morning. Go figure. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 6:53 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Don't be a gullible cultist, Share. Until he was forced to incorporate some kind of physical education into MIU and Maharishi Schools to keep them accredited, Maharishi taught that ALL exercise that increased your breath rate was bad for you. Now this is really funny - everyone knows that MMY encouraged everyone to practice the yoga asanas, and later the yogic flying. Apparently The Turq has never been inside a hot, sweaty yoga studio or participated in a single yogic flying contest. However, he does seem to walk his dog by a canal twice a day. Go figure. So, I wonder if Turq can sit in the full-lotus position, or even the half-lotus position, like Rama and MMY. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 9:22 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I still hang at FFL because I'm interested in the cult mentality and I get to see so much of it here. Bullshit. You still hang here because it gives you an excuse to attack people and show your contempt for them. That's what you live for. This might be a good time to bring out the Garuda Analysis of Uncle Tantra Trashing Rama that was posted to alt.m.t. a few years ago. LoL! Speaking of cults, we still don't know why he won't talk about the neo-Nazi skinhead biker cult over there - he must see and talk to them at the cafe almost every day. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/7/2014 3:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Shit, you and your TMSP can't even keep people from committing murder right there on campus - and you are gonna influence me by doing TMSP and one day I'm gonna wake up and agree with you??? You are living in a fantasy world - better use a filter mask when sniffing that ship dip... Now this is funny, you got to admit - guy puts down /yogic flying/ in favor of /flying kung fu/. LoL! Flying Kung Fu --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! Also I encourage those who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change his mind, and one meditator who had been regular for more than 40 years to cease and desist - he now does Christian prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu devotional practice that people claim is the secular practice of TM. So not so much volume yet, but each experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop doing TMSP and just hang out on the farm in nature more and join me in getting people to quit TM and TMSP - its a mighty fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to how I am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to get that Hindu devotional practice started in any schools in South Carolina. Y Haa! Easy MJ, you don't want to send Buck into a apoplectic fit.
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On 5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! Sounds kind of like a fundamentalist religious cult. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! So, you've quit the China chi-chong practice? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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The irony is that, from a Chinese perspective, TM is a form of qi-qong. It's pretty much the generic term for mental spiritual practice, aka meditation in English. Of course, it also includes practices that involve movement, breathing exercises,etc. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! So, you've quit the China chi-chong practice? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
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First of all and I say these things with respect to you Lawson because although
you and I have traded words and ideas ever since the Cardio Brief event, I
sense that you are not a complete ass like WillyTex and that you are seeking
some good thing in life. I don't know if you were kidding around when you said
in another post that you were OCD but if so I sympathize if you are.
To begin with, Richard is an idiot who is either a person who gets off on
trying to upset folks through deliberately acting like he misunderstands what
they are saying or he has serious information processing issues. I have not
stopped chi gung.
And the idea that to Chinese people TM is a form of chi gung is nonsense unless
the Chinese people are fanatic TM'ers who have been brainwashed by the likes of
David Lynch or Bob Roth.
On Tue, 5/6/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Repentance Spiritually
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 11:36 PM
The irony is that, from a Chinese perspective, TM
is a form of qi-qong. It's pretty much the generic term
for mental spiritual practice, aka
meditation in English. Of course, it also
includes practices that involve movement, breathing
exercises,etc.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
punditster@... wrote :
On
5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
my
spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks
who
are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist
and stop raght naow!
So, you've quit the China chi-chong
practice? Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
David Lynch and Bob Roth, brainwashers extraordinaire... OhKy... Now for the rest, you DO realize that the Chinese government frowns on certain groups that incorporate qigong and has outlawed several groups because they are a threat to the state? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhong_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhong_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falon_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falon_Gong MUM, on the other hand, has formal academic relations with universities in China, including student exchange agreements, including Beijing Union University. http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelID=651046issearch=chinese http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelID=651046issearch=chinese http://english.buu.edu.cn/col/col13109/index.html http://english.buu.edu.cn/col/col13109/index.html L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First of all and I say these things with respect to you Lawson because although you and I have traded words and ideas ever since the Cardio Brief event, I sense that you are not a complete ass like WillyTex and that you are seeking some good thing in life. I don't know if you were kidding around when you said in another post that you were OCD but if so I sympathize if you are. To begin with, Richard is an idiot who is either a person who gets off on trying to upset folks through deliberately acting like he misunderstands what they are saying or he has serious information processing issues. I have not stopped chi gung. And the idea that to Chinese people TM is a form of chi gung is nonsense unless the Chinese people are fanatic TM'ers who have been brainwashed by the likes of David Lynch or Bob Roth. On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 11:36 PM The irony is that, from a Chinese perspective, TM is a form of qi-qong. It's pretty much the generic term for mental spiritual practice, aka meditation in English. Of course, it also includes practices that involve movement, breathing exercises,etc. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/6/2014 10:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! So, you've quit the China chi-chong practice? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 7:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I sense that you are not a complete ass like WillyTex So, it's all about WillyTex. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 7:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Richard is an idiot who is either a person who gets off on trying to upset folks through deliberately acting like he misunderstands what they are saying or he has serious information processing issues. So, */you compared MMY to Adolph Hitler/* /to get off on trying to upset folks/, but Richard is the idiot or has serious information issues? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 7:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I have not stopped chi gung. Who said you stopped practicing Chinese communist Kung Fu? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 7:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: And the idea that to Chinese people TM is a form of chi gung is nonsense unless the Chinese people are fanatic TM'ers who have been brainwashed by the likes of David Lynch or Bob Roth. It is unlawful to practice sitting meditation in public in China - only communist sanctioned chi kung is permitted. Thousands of people of all ages have been arrested and jailed in China for public demonstrations of Falun Gong. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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or not unless they deliberately have the blood pressure checked. THEREFORE, it is irrelevant if people can no longer tell that TM has had a good effect or not, because in at least one situation, TM has extremely beneficial effects that aren't detectable without using equipment. The only way to tell if TM has effects on BP is by monitoring your blood pressure using accurate equipment. So that 90% who stop doing TM because the benefits fade may be correct or they many not be. There is literally no way to tell without checking. L On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: What is frightening is that, as far as I can tell, you are serious through and through. You DO realize that you are setting yourself up for disappointment every bit as severe as occurred when you realized that Maharishi wasn't absolutely perfect, if it should turn out that TM is of value above and beyond other meditation practices, at least for some people? How will you handle things at that point? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I do wonder how you come up with such things. How do you think TM will turn out to be of value above all other meditations? My personal experience shows me it is not and would have done so years earlier had I not given in to the brainwashing the TMO does on TM'ers. All one has to do is use logical critical thinking skills to one's TM experience and one see's that stripped of all the hype and don't pay attention to anything that appears to not corroborate the bs we the TMO tell you its easy to see TM is a mediocre meditation at best and in truth is a Hindu devotional practice. I didn't sign up to worship Hindu goddesses. And as I am not OCD, I entertain no fears of any kind about TM being found to be anything other than the mildly effective practice and big fat scam that it is. And I remind you that probably only about 10% of all TM initiates continue TM beyond one year, and of those many later quit since it effectiveness seems to fade over a relatively short time for most people. On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 11:26 PM What is frightening is that, as far as I can tell, you are serious through and through. You DO realize that you are setting yourself up for disappointment every bit as severe as occurred when you realized that Maharishi wasn't absolutely perfect, if it should turn out that TM is of value above and beyond other meditation practices, at least for some people? How will you handle things at that point? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! Also I encourage those who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change his mind, and one meditator who had been regular for more than 40 years to cease and desist - he now does Christian prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu devotional practice that people claim is the secular practice of TM. So not so much volume yet, but each experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop doing TMSP and just hang out on the farm in nature more and join me in getting people to quit TM and TMSP - its a mighty fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to how I am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to get that Hindu devotional practice started in any schools in South Carolina. Y Haa!
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On 5/6/2014 7:30 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: had I not given in to the brainwashing the TMO does on TM'ers. You make it sound like someone coerced you into practicing TM. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/6/2014 6:26 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: What is frightening is that, as far as I can tell, you are serious through and through. Serious enough to get up at 5:00 AM in the morning and start posting to FFL the same message over and over again all day and on Saturday nights until midnight. You DO realize that you are setting yourself up for disappointment every bit as severe as occurred when you realized that Maharishi wasn't absolutely perfect, if it should turn out that TM is of value above and beyond other meditation practices, at least for some people? How will you handle things at that point? He will probably quit the FFL discussion group. On average, people like MJ only work as informants for two years. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually
are unable to tell when their blood pressure is in the normal range or a dangerously elevated (in the long term) range and so, if TM has lowered their blood pressure, it is impossible for them to tell, simply on that measure, if TM has been beneficial for them or not unless they deliberately have the blood pressure checked. THEREFORE, it is irrelevant if people can no longer tell that TM has had a good effect or not, because in at least one situation, TM has extremely beneficial effects that aren't detectable without using equipment. The only way to tell if TM has effects on BP is by monitoring your blood pressure using accurate equipment. So that 90% who stop doing TM because the benefits fade may be correct or they many not be. There is literally no way to tell without checking. L On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: What is frightening is that, as far as I can tell, you are serious through and through. You DO realize that you are setting yourself up for disappointment every bit as severe as occurred when you realized that Maharishi wasn't absolutely perfect, if it should turn out that TM is of value above and beyond other meditation practices, at least for some people? How will you handle things at that point? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I do wonder how you come up with such things. How do you think TM will turn out to be of value above all other meditations? My personal experience shows me it is not and would have done so years earlier had I not given in to the brainwashing the TMO does on TM'ers. All one has to do is use logical critical thinking skills to one's TM experience and one see's that stripped of all the hype and don't pay attention to anything that appears to not corroborate the bs we the TMO tell you its easy to see TM is a mediocre meditation at best and in truth is a Hindu devotional practice. I didn't sign up to worship Hindu goddesses. And as I am not OCD, I entertain no fears of any kind about TM being found to be anything other than the mildly effective practice and big fat scam that it is. And I remind you that probably only about 10% of all TM initiates continue TM beyond one year, and of those many later quit since it effectiveness seems to fade over a relatively short time for most people. On Tue, 5/6/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 11:26 PM What is frightening is that, as far as I can tell, you are serious through and through. You DO realize that you are setting yourself up for disappointment every bit as severe as occurred when you realized that Maharishi wasn't absolutely perfect, if it should turn out that TM is of value above and beyond other meditation practices, at least for some people? How will you handle things at that point? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! Also I encourage those who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change his mind, and one meditator who had been regular for more than 40 years to cease and desist - he now does Christian prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu devotional practice that people claim is the secular practice of TM. So not so much volume yet, but each experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop doing TMSP and just hang out on the farm in nature more and join me in getting people to quit TM and TMSP - its a mighty fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to how I am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to get that Hindu devotional practice started in any schools in South Carolina. Y Haa!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
of reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving generously and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen. Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true, not because it actually is true and real and good. They ask everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they are told by the TMO especially where what the TMO says today contradicts what was said yesterday. They want everyone just to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar eclipse As to the claims and questionable research, I have to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If TM (and its adjunct programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to sell them. On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:27 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. Or, it may be that you are extrapolating your experience to the entire organization. Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't fit your agenda, you simply leave it out. at the introduction of Naharishi brahminism is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce supperradiance by banning people from the domes for competing with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity. As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to keep the True Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their money flowing into the pockets of lazy individuals like Bevan and Girish who are parasites living on the hard work of others. As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace - get online and look up the Little Rascals episode A Lad and a Lamp and you will see that if you, Buck, go to a flea market and buy an old brass lamp, rub it and say I wish Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was a monkey over and over and over, then take the same brass lamp, rub it during program and say I wish they was world peace, I wish they was world peace over and over and over you will find that Cotton will actually become a monkey from your lamp rubbing and wishing it so long before you will get world peace from the genie of a lamp or doing TMSP in a group. Son that is a fool's proposition you are offering. It is not even worth taking the time to discuss with you. Your observations may be right but your thinking is wrong. You clearly are letting yourself be bound by some past thought forms lodge in your system and holding that as hostage against your self, your immortal Soul. Something like, you are 'putting your light under a hat'. You should drop this anti-nonsense before it is too late for you. I would kindly advise that you revisit FFL post #368621 Re: [FairfieldLife] : The Interpenetrating Subtle Spiritual System, MMY's Shakti. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368621 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368621 A life well lived? Consider repenting your spiritual sins and then come back and stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other names you have called him. It is not too late,-Buck in the Dome mjackson74 declares: I say this to you Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record that if those things can be proven to me then I will reverse every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and Marshy. I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will become a spokesperson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
On 5/5/2014 6:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that perpetuates the fraud Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
OK, Richard, I admit it, this got me giggling this morning... Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:14 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/5/2014 6:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that perpetuates the fraud Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
On 5/5/2014 9:56 AM, Share Long wrote: OK, Richard, I admit it, this got me giggling this morning... What is it with these discussion group bullies that troll here and try to tell us what to think? Whose newsgroup is this, anyway? Share, I still can't understand why these informants stalked me and Alex over here in the first place. Don't they have anything better to do than trying to start a flame war on Yahoo with their pathetic dejection stories from twenty or thirty years ago? Why don't they just leave us TMers alone so we can discuss the mechanics of consciousness instead of butting in starting at 5:00 AM in the morning? It's bad enough they are using the company computer on company time - maybe they should just go straight to the TM-Free blog or the Rick Ross site. Go figure. http://www.cultnews.net/ Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Richard, as a great Internet sage once told me: some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to (-: On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:22 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/5/2014 9:56 AM, Share Long wrote: OK, Richard, I admit it, this got me giggling this morning... What is it with these discussion group bullies that troll here and try to tell us what to think? Whose newsgroup is this, anyway? Share, I still can't understand why these informants stalked me and Alex over here in the first place. Don't they have anything better to do than trying to start a flame war on Yahoo with their pathetic dejection stories from twenty or thirty years ago? Why don't they just leave us TMers alone so we can discuss the mechanics of consciousness instead of butting in starting at 5:00 AM in the morning? It's bad enough they are using the company computer on company time - maybe they should just go straight to the TM-Free blog or the Rick Ross site. Go figure. http://www.cultnews.net/ Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
On 5/5/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, as a great Internet sage once told me: some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to (-: So, we are actually */helping people/* by reading and responding to their messages? Go figure. On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:22 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/5/2014 9:56 AM, Share Long wrote: OK, Richard, I admit it, this got me giggling this morning... What is it with these discussion group bullies that troll here and try to tell us what to think? Whose newsgroup is this, anyway? Share, I still can't understand why these informants stalked me and Alex over here in the first place. Don't they have anything better to do than trying to start a flame war on Yahoo with their pathetic dejection stories from twenty or thirty years ago? Why don't they just leave us TMers alone so we can discuss the mechanics of consciousness instead of butting in starting at 5:00 AM in the morning? It's bad enough they are using the company computer on company time - maybe they should just go straight to the TM-Free blog or the Rick Ross site. Go figure. http://www.cultnews.net/ Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Richard, yes, it remains one of Life's Great Mysteries (-: On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:26 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/5/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, as a great Internet sage once told me: some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to (-: So, we are actually helping people by reading and responding to their messages? Go figure. On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:22 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/5/2014 9:56 AM, Share Long wrote: OK, Richard, I admit it, this got me giggling this morning... What is it with these discussion group bullies that troll here and try to tell us what to think? Whose newsgroup is this, anyway? Share, I still can't understand why these informants stalked me and Alex over here in the first place. Don't they have anything better to do than trying to start a flame war on Yahoo with their pathetic dejection stories from twenty or thirty years ago? Why don't they just leave us TMers alone so we can discuss the mechanics of consciousness instead of butting in starting at 5:00 AM in the morning? It's bad enough they are using the company computer on company time - maybe they should just go straight to the TM-Free blog or the Rick Ross site. Go figure. http://www.cultnews.net/ Well, it's settled then, the Kung Fu fighter has spoken. Rick - don't even bother to shut it down. All you other informants just go find yourself a new discussion group. It's over now - this discussion is over. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Now that the introduction of Naharishi brahminism is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce supperradiance by banning people from the domes for competing with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with,
such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in
the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both
administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring
attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior.
On Sun, 5/4/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 12:30 PM
Now that the introduction of Naharishi brahminism
is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the
participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge,
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce
supperradiance by banning people from the domes for
competing with the movement or visiting other
spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their
adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis
purity.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. Or, it may be that you are extrapolating your experience to the entire organization. Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't fit your agenda, you simply leave it out. at the introduction of Naharishi brahminism is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce supperradiance by banning people from the domes for competing with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. That's because we are talking about human beings here. What did you think, because people meditate that they stop being human in some way? People are flawed, are weak, are full of all sorts of negative tendencies and traits. What magic potion did you think existed that could change that, fundamentally? Obviously I am missing the idealism gene because I never understood TM to be some airy fairy panacea that would eliminate the basic characteristics that single us out as humans - the need to be more powerful, better and privileged than the next guy (I'm exaggerating here. Most people would just be happy with a slightly bigger helping of Rocky Road ice cream.) Consequently, I was never surprised when assholes remained assholes and nice guys stayed nice, no matter how much they had been meditating or cavorting around the vicinity of MMY.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
I say this to you Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was
enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world than harm, I am
willing to believe it, and I go on record that if those things can be proven to
me then I will reverse every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and
Marshy.
I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other
names I have called him. I will become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my
story of how I became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced bread.
I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools, high schools,
colleges, universities and trade schools in the country and in all US
protectorates around the globe.
I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single US military
facility around the world, I will ask that TM and TMSP become part of every
soldier, sailor, airman, marine and coast guard basic training and
I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single congressman upon becoming
elected must learn TM and TMSP. I would also have it further mandated that
before ANY important vote on the house and senate floor the entire congress
would meditate together for half an hour.
Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously ascend into heaven over
the idea of all of the above, thus far I see no proof nor even any credible
evidence that Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than
harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite. Stories of Marshy's
arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu fanaticism misuse and manipulation of
people, and a great deal more of both personal experience and the collective
experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the TMO mainly tells
us that all sorts of grand things are GONE happen, they are not happening now
really for a variety of reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving
generously and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and nostrums so
all this fabulous stuff will actually happen.
Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone to do it and buy
it just cuz we say its real and true, not because it actually is true and real
and good. They ask everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom
and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they are told by the TMO
especially where what the TMO says today contradicts what was said yesterday.
They want everyone just to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously
superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar eclipse As to the
claims and questionable research, I have to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If
TM (and its adjunct programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to sell
them.
On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:27 PM
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
:
Quite simply, if
Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit
to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring
from could never have been born in the first
place.
Proximity to Marshy
and length of time spent both administering the Movement and
doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes
about common people, greed and a general display of poor
behavior.
Or, it may be that you are
extrapolating your experience to the entire organization.
Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of
such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that
could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't
fit your agenda, you simply leave it out.
at the introduction of
Naharishi brahminism
is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the
participants more appreciative of Maharishi's
knowledge,
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that
reduce
supperradiance by banning people from the domes for
competing with the movement or visiting other
spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their
adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis
purity.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Slow down, slow down! I don't really care what you do. Quit making such
grand proclamations. I've an idea. At the risk of sounding like I'm preaching,
why don't you work on number one a bit, and just see you have some pockets of
bitterness you need to smooth out. n'est 'ce pas. (-;
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
I say this to you Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was
enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world than harm, I am
willing to believe it, and I go on record that if those things can be proven to
me then I will reverse every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and
Marshy.
I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the
other names I have called him. I will become a spokesperson for the TMO,
telling my story of how I became convinced that TM is the best thing since
sliced bread.
I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools, high schools,
colleges, universities and trade schools in the country and in all US
protectorates around the globe.
I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single US military
facility around the world, I will ask that TM and TMSP become part of every
soldier, sailor, airman, marine and coast guard basic training and
I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single congressman upon
becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP. I would also have it further mandated
that before ANY important vote on the house and senate floor the entire
congress would meditate together for half an hour.
Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously ascend into heaven over
the idea of all of the above, thus far I see no proof nor even any credible
evidence that Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than
harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite. Stories of Marshy's
arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu fanaticism misuse and manipulation of
people, and a great deal more of both personal experience and the collective
experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the TMO mainly tells
us that all sorts of grand things are GONE happen, they are not happening now
really for a variety of reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving
generously and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and nostrums so
all this fabulous stuff will actually happen.
Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone to do it and buy
it just cuz we say its real and true, not because it actually is true and real
and good. They ask everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom
and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they are told by the TMO
especially where what the TMO says today contradicts what was said yesterday.
They want everyone just to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously
superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar eclipse As to the
claims and questionable research, I have to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If
TM (and its adjunct programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to sell
them.
On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:27 PM
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote
:
Quite simply, if
Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit
to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring
from could never have been born in the first
place.
Proximity to Marshy
and length of time spent both administering the Movement and
doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes
about common people, greed and a general display of poor
behavior.
Or, it may be that you are
extrapolating your experience to the entire organization.
Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of
such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that
could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't
fit your agenda, you simply leave it out.
at the introduction of
Naharishi brahminism
is getting an thoughtful reboot to make the
participants more appreciative of Maharishi's
knowledge,
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that
reduce
supperradiance by banning people from the domes for
competing with the movement or visiting other
spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their
adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis
purity.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
On 5/4/2014 8:27 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. Or, it may be that you are extrapolating your experience to the entire organization. Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't fit your agenda, you simply leave it out. This kind of attitude probably comes from a sense of being all alone when you get to college. A new student can feel alone at a large school - get lost in the crowd. I would think this feeling is more profound when you're not even a student, but merely on staff. You can get the feeling that you are nobody and not important - that your voice can't be heard. It can be frustrating when you are poor and lost and confused. It sometimes can make you angry that the teachers or administrators, with all their fancy titles, who don't even know who you are. We've probably all been exposed to a school requirement that we didn't agree with, but not everyone gets out of school with a lingering hatred of education. Even if you didn't like the short, fat, bald-headed teacher in your shop class.. You don't have to like your school, just follow the rules and graduate. You don't have to like your boss, just do what he says, and get paid. It's not complicated. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
C'mon Stevie! I can be a great asset to the TMO! So prove all this stuff to me and I will become one. As to being bitter you are projecting your own bitterness on me. I have long ago gotten over any I had towards lying blowhard marshy and his movement. Now I simply report the facts. On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 3:38 PM Slow down, slow down! I don't really care what you do. Quit making such grand proclamations. I've an idea. At the risk of sounding like I'm preaching, why don't you work on number one a bit, and just see you have some pockets of bitterness you need to smooth out. n'est 'ce pas. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I say this to you Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record that if those things can be proven to me then I will reverse every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and Marshy. I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my story of how I became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced bread. I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools, high schools, colleges, universities and trade schools in the country and in all US protectorates around the globe. I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single US military facility around the world, I will ask that TM and TMSP become part of every soldier, sailor, airman, marine and coast guard basic training and I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single congressman upon becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP. I would also have it further mandated that before ANY important vote on the house and senate floor the entire congress would meditate together for half an hour. Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously ascend into heaven over the idea of all of the above, thus far I see no proof nor even any credible evidence that Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite. Stories of Marshy's arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu fanaticism misuse and manipulation of people, and a great deal more of both personal experience and the collective experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the TMO mainly tells us that all sorts of grand things are GONE happen, they are not happening now really for a variety of reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving generously and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen. Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true, not because it actually is true and real and good. They ask everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they are told by the TMO especially where what the TMO says today contradicts what was said yesterday. They want everyone just to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar eclipse As to the claims and questionable research, I have to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If TM (and its adjunct programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to sell them. On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:27 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. Or, it may be that you are extrapolating your experience to the entire organization. Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't fit your agenda, you simply leave it out. at the introduction of Naharishi brahminism is getting an thoughtful reboot to make
Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking
Son that is a fool's proposition you are offering. It is not even worth taking the time to discuss with you. Your observations may be right but your thinking is wrong. You clearly are letting yourself be bound by some past thought forms lodge in your system and holding that as hostage against your self, your immortal Soul. Something like, you are 'putting your light under a hat'. You should drop this anti-nonsense before it is too late for you. I would kindly advise that you revisit FFL post #368621 Re: [FairfieldLife] : The Interpenetrating Subtle Spiritual System, MMY's Shakti. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368621 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368621 A life well lived? Consider repenting your spiritual sins and then come back and stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other names you have called him. It is not too late, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 declares: I say this to you Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record that if those things can be proven to me then I will reverse every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and Marshy. I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my story of how I became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced bread. I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools, high schools, colleges, universities and trade schools in the country and in all US protectorates around the globe. I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single US military facility around the world, I will ask that TM and TMSP become part of every soldier, sailor, airman, marine and coast guard basic training and I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single congressman upon becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP. I would also have it further mandated that before ANY important vote on the house and senate floor the entire congress would meditate together for half an hour. Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously ascend into heaven over the idea of all of the above, thus far I see no proof nor even any credible evidence that Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite. Stories of Marshy's arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu fanaticism misuse and manipulation of people, and a great deal more of both personal experience and the collective experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the TMO mainly tells us that all sorts of grand things are GONE happen, they are not happening now really for a variety of reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving generously and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen. Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true, not because it actually is true and real and good. They ask everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they are told by the TMO especially where what the TMO says today contradicts what was said yesterday. They want everyone just to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar eclipse As to the claims and questionable research, I have to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If TM (and its adjunct programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to sell them. On Sun, 5/4/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Great oppurtunity for rethinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:27 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Quite simply, if Maharishi's knowledge had been worth a shit to begin with, such policies and the attitudes they spring from could never have been born in the first place. Proximity to Marshy and length of time spent both administering the Movement and doing TMSP breeds arrogance, elitism, uncaring attitudes about common people, greed and a general display of poor behavior. Or, it may be that you are extrapolating your experience to the entire organization. Not to say that there aren't plenty of examples of such, but as usual, you are not interested in anything that could be described as fair and balanced. If it doesn't fit your agenda, you simply leave it out. at the introduction of Naharishi
