Maharishi's Weekly Press Conference
Wed 8 March 2006
Including questions from David Jones, Daily Mail reporter England


David JONES, Daily Mail: "..Could you explain on what basis you have 
chosen 
the 24 countries that you are focussing on ? What basis these 
countries, 
these particular countries have been chosen?  Would you address that 
for me 
please ?

[Maharishi couldn't hear the Question. so John Hagelin repeated the 
question]

MAHARISHI: They contrast with England in terms of being more 
innocent 
and 
positive countries, as against very damaging and dangerous country 
of 
England.

England is a destroyer of the world very openly.   And these 
countries 
are 
more simple and they are not destroyers of the world.  So they have 
been 
adopted for their simplicity.

And England ? I withdrew my activities from England because when the 
scientific researches indicate Transcendental Meditation makes the 
people 
healthy, wealthy and wise I don't want to make that country which is 
a 
destroyer of the world to be healthy wealthy and wise ! Otherwise 
I'll 
be 
the promoter of a bigger, of a bigger destruction to the world.  
That 
is the 
reason some time back I decided just close the doors.

I don't want to .. to give better health . and better, better 
prosperity and 
wisdom to a country who's beginning to end -  the whole policy is to 
destroy, destroy, destroy.  And it's not [reached?] the destruction 
level, 
then at least divide and rule.  Divide and rule is the British 
policy.  
It's 
very criminal.  Innocent people [and you divide this ] this man, 
this 
man, 
this man.  So the entire British disposition is to destroy the unity 
of 
every nation, and if possible - destroy the country, destroy the 
country. 
Sell arms, sell arms. At least destroy the country.

That is why I didn't like to think of that country.  And didn't like 
to 
give 
life to the country.  Although I'll be, I'll be supporting the 
country 
to 
destroy [?? ]. That is the reason.  My principles are very simple 
and 
very 
clear.

David JONES: Thanks for that answer.  As an Englishman, it makes me 
feel 
rather uncomfortable but I suppose it's not personal - I sincerely 
hope 
it's 
not.

MAHARISHI: Could you speak, could you speak a little slower?

David JONES: I'm sorry Maharishi.

MAHARISHI: You could speak with, you could speak with slow speed  so 
that 
your voice I could hear directly? Rather than speaking fast.  Let me 
hear 
you slowly, slowly so I'll be able to answer every aspect of your 
talk.

David JONES: Are you able to hear me Maharishi ?

MAHARISHI: When you speak slowly, with less speed, then I can catch 
you.

David JONES: I am speaking slowly now.

MAHARISHI: Right.  This is all right.

David JONES: Thank you for that answer.  As I was saying, I hope it 
was 
not 
a personal thing because as an Englishman it makes me feel rather 
uncomfortable,  but I'm asking you, how then the United Kingdom 
differs 
in 
your view from the United States which many see as an equally 
warmongering 
arms promulgating nation as the United Kingdom. Why do you separate 
between 
the two ?

MAHARISHI: Population of US is bigger. So bigger population I could 
have a 
hope from one corner, from the other corner, from the other corner. 
England is a smaller country, so I can't divide this smaller country 
into 
little little corners and have my approach.

It's a bigger population in US which leaves some hope in me about 
US.   
And 
even since I  stopped my activities England Dr Hagelin tells me so 
much 
of 
US press is raising a voice this way, and this way, and this way, 
and 
this 
way.

So there is a bigger population.  I have a hope to revive it.  
That's 
why I 
didn't reject it.  Otherwise from this level it needed rejection.   
But 
I 
have to follow up. As I have to, I have to manage myself with some 
hope 
of 
the country.

That is the reason.

David JONES: Some people, some people might suggest that it would be 
better 
to try to affect change from within, and taking your own thesis if I 
may 
call it that, which is it needs a very few people to affect a very 
big 
change, I'm sure that you would find within the United Kingdom there 
are 
more than sufficient people who are opposed to the policies of the 
government of the day, who would be willing to support you  and your 
aims if 
only you would, you know if only you would return to the United 
Kingdom 
and 
give them that chance to do so.  But of course, without your 
presence 
there 
and without your support they feel cut off, and they feel that you 
have 
for 
want of a better phrase, sort of abandoned them there, and that they 
are no 
longer part of your Movement. Could you respond to that ?

MAHARISHI: I have abandoned them to, to wake up to my Knowledge, 
because I 
don't' know what they were thinking of this .. But every country in 
the 
world, no government has adopted my procedure to become free, and to 
become 
integrated and all that. This is because it is the national 
consciousness 
that is the motivating power of a government.

That is why I have left every government.  I am not proposing to any 
government.

I'm going to  establish the Yogic Flyers in the groups of some 
people, 
groups of some people.  All that I can afford.  I see whatever 
response 
is 
there, whatever response is there, that it's like a barren field.  
Wherever 
I feel there is some fertility I sow the seed, sow the seed, sow the 
seed 
create the crop.

Like that the 12 countries in the world within about 6 months, 
because 
that 
is the time taken for the demonstration of the minds functioning on 
the 
transcendental level of consciousness.  There the mind functions.  
It's 
just 
the, the, the experience that makes the mind function on the 
transcendental 
field.  And from there the group creates coherence effect emerging 
and 
spreading throughout national consciousness.

And these countries, so all the countries in Europe and all, this 
will 
help 
silently to promote sense of positivity, sense of integration, sense 
of 
harmony, all over.   And England's' national consciousness will not 
be 
an 
exception to it.  But it has to be from outside, outside.

And today's fighting England will become a supportive England.  Will 
begin 
to be functioning according to the influence of Total Natural Law. 
The 
Unified Field. The Unified Field.  And its good that if there are 
scientists 
in England, then they will soon hear Dr Hagelin and follow him.

And following him they'll be following the absolute authentic 
procedures for 
creating integrated national consciousness and then the integrated 
national 
consciousness of England will amend all the ways of the government 
as 
will 
happen in every country, every country. It will happen in China, 
India, 
Russia, in all the countries, small or big.

It's the world consciousness that has to be purified, and this is 
how 
it 
will be purified.   A few groups here, a few groups here, a few 
groups 
here, 
a few groups here. That will be like that?

That will be all right?

David JONES: Yes.  Thank you.  Could you explain exactly what it is 
that you 
object to about English, about England's policies, world policies ?  
Is 
it 
specifically arms dealing, or is it the war with Iraq ?  Or, or, 
what ?

[Maharishi asks Dr Hagelin to clarify, and so Doctor Hagelin 
paraphrases the 
question]

MAHARISHI: I don't have to tell you.  The whole destructive policies 
of 
the 
British government, and the whole policy 'divide and rule'.  All the 
innocent countries.  All the innocent countries.

Each country is fighting with each other.  This party, this party, 
this 
party, this party, this party, this party, this party . and all this 
in 
the 
name of? freedom.

So England is giving freedom to all those countries.  Destroying the 
integrity of every nation creating different different parties, 
different 
different parties, different. This destructive nature of British 
government 
can only be, can only be, can only be improved by improving the 
whole 
world 
consciousness.

There is no way out.

David JONES: Would a change of Government encourage you to, to 
return 
to 
England ? Supposing Mr Blair was no longer the Prime Minister and he 
was 
voted out, would that .

MAHARISHI: No, no not, not Blair or Lair or whatever.  It's not the 
individual, absolutely it's not the individual.  It is the national 
consciousness.

It's not the individual.  Individual has no meaning.  Individual is 
only a 
football of national consciousness.

I don't give any importance to any individual.  Individual may be 
this 
or 
that, or this or that,  or this or that. [It is the] collective 
consciousness of the nation, which is on the basis of the world 
consciousness of all countries. That is to be improved and I'm 
trying 
to 
improve, taking a few countries, taking a few countries.

And there'll be a rise in coherence in those countries, and from 
there 
in 
the neighbouring country, in the neighbouring continent, in the 
neighbouring - the whole world, like that like that, like that.

My Movement is gone from individuals to the groups. Groups to the 
nations. 
It has gone to the nations.  And it has gone to individual concepts 
of 
administration, to cosmic concepts of administration.  To the 
collective 
concepts of administration, and that is clearly [ ?? ] in the 
unified 
wholeness of the concept of administration of the universe.

Theme is very clear.

I think you are very wise, and you are very fortunate man of England 
who is 
thinking of England.  Who is thinking of the world.  But I know you 
are 
very 
cautious.

You have come to me when you have seen so much of world press is 
writing 
about Maharishi. Let me see, let me know what it is, what it is ?

You are cautious for your individual reputation.  Let me tell you 
frankly 
your own inner feelings.  You have come to write something about 
Maharishi 
when the world has written so much about it, so that you are not 
behind 
it. 
So in your response to my message, your individual is more 
important.  
But 
whatever it is, [I believe] you have come motivated by the world 
press. 
Your response is from the world press response.

That will be all right? I am telling you plainly because you have 
come 
to me 
face to face.  You are a part of me now when you're  talking to me.  
I 
take 
you to be a part and parcel.  So I am telling you that your 
motivation 
is 
more for yourself personally than for your country, than for the 
world. 
Now, as a good sensible responsible journalist of the world you have 
come 
out to see - [bring ?] the message to the people.

David JONES: Yes.

It seems somewhat of a shame Maharishi, that you feel this way 
towards 
England because England feels so warm I think towards you.

You of course spent a lot of time there and I wonder how you feel 
towards 
the country generally?   I mean you, you enjoyed, you enjoyed your 
time 
there I think in the sixties, and again, you know and [ ?? ]. I just 
wondered how you, how you feel towards England, towards the country, 
if 
you 
have any warmth towards the country if you do have warmth for 
individual 
countries.

MAHARISHI: I remember when I went from America to England, and I 
gave 
the 
first conference in Albert Hall.  I remember that, and that I was 
full 
of 
hope.  I was full of hope when I rang for the first time the bell of 
Transcendental Consciousness in that great Albert Hall.

And sequentially so many meetings, so many meetings.  And so many 
years 
I 
have been there, and so many years.  I've seen so many people and so 
many 
initiators and so many .

But at the end I thought to give a lesson to the naughty child. It's 
like 
the parent feeds the children, gives all good things and nice 
things.  
But 
if the child is naughty constantly, constantly give him a few 
lessons 
of a 
different kind.

But the [same] affection of parental protection for the child.  That 
is 
my 
attitude towards England now.

David JONES:  From that, may we infer that one day you might be back?

MAHARISHI: Uh? What is it?

David JONES:  From that, may we infer that one day you may return 
there 
and 
cuddle the naughty child again? Give the naughty child a second 
chance 
perhaps? And the er, er, adopt a different set of   .. Adopt a 
different 
type of discipline [??] back?

MAHARISHI: my response will be on the basis of the response of the 
child. 
If the child comes back 'Oh I did wrong'   'i say fine, don't worry 
about 
it, forget the past.  Go ahead.' Always that will be, that is the 
parental 
role of the parent.

Today a parent anger on the child has underneath a great affection 
for 
the 
child.  That is the nature of behaviour that's all.  The nature of 
behaviour.

John HAGELIN: I have a question from an education writer in 
Massachusetts 
who has heard Maharishi speak many times. It's a pretty advanced 
question. 
It's on the experience of Totality.

Maharishi has said that only the experience of Totality will bring 
complete 
fulfilment to the life of a human being.  Are there degrees of the 
experience of Totality?  I ask because, Maharishi also speaks about 
higher 
states of consciousness.  Cosmic Consciousness, God consciousness, 
Unity 
Consciousness.

At what point in the development of these higher states of 
consciousness is 
Totality realised? And complete fulfilment gained ?

MAHARISHI: It's very simple to understand you know?  Experience of 
Transcendental Consciousness requires total brain functioning.  All 
parts of 
the brain becomes awake.  And then the total brain functioning 
brings 
the 
experience of Transcendental Consciousness.

And by repeating this experience, by repeating this experience means 
by 
making the total brain functioning, that is the physiology of the 
brain. 
The physiology of the brain through constant practice of total 
functioning 
becomes habituated for every thought to be promoted from total field 
of 
knowledge.

And when every thought is promoted from total field of knowledge, 
then 
that 
thought is promoted from the Cosmic Intelligence.  That we call from 
the 
Will of God.  Omnipresent, Omniscient, Almighty Will of God,  
promotes 
a 
thought. And that thought pervades creation from point to infinity, 
pervades 
creation.

That is supreme we would say capability.  And supreme ability of the 
individual who is born with human brain physiology.

Because with all the senses of action, senses of perception, eyes, 
ears, 
nose, and taste and all such, all these five senses of perception, 
full 
brain is not utilised.

Full brain is utilised only in experiencing Transcendental 
Consciousness 
which is beyond the limitations of space and time, which is beyond 
the 
limitations of each of these five senses.

And that experience of total brain functioning has to be repeated in 
order 
that the brain functioning becomes habituated to, to have a  
comprehension 
functioning.  And this comprehension functioning of the brain will 
have 
cosmic potential of the individual human life to come to 
practicalities. 
That is why man was made in the image of God. This is a religious 
expression.  Man is made in the image of God.

And mans full creative potential is, when his total brain comes to 
function. 
When his total brain functions, then the total creative intelligence 
is 
in 
action.  He's the same individual whose eyes could only see so much, 
whose 
ears could hear only so much, limited perceptions on the level of 
sensory 
perception.

Transcendental perception uses the source of all these five levels 
of 
perception.  Source of eyes, ears, touch and taste and all.  The 
source 
of 
it.  The one transcendental field of self-referral intelligence.

Experience of that is the top class human experience, which is pure, 
we 
can 
say non-human in one sense.  Pure non-human means pure Divine.  Pure 
Light 
of God is within the capability of human brain functioning.

When we say human brain functioning the heart also goes with it.  
Brain 
and 
heart they go all together, that is human potential.  That is the 
individual 
human potential, which is Cosmic Divine Reality.

It's just the change of words because for the total brain to 
function, 
always the total brain functioning should be given a practice.  A 
practice, 
practice, practice.  So we practice morning and evening, morning and 
evening, a few times morning and evening, few times morning and 
evening. 
Then we are habituating our brain physiology to function in a 
holistic 
manner, and this holistic functioning is Divine functioning.

And you can explain your, your - explanations, that I have learned 
from 
Dr 
Hagelin in what mathematical terms, the unfoldment of the human 
potential is 
recorded, is understood in terms of modern sciences, physics, 
chemistry, 
biology, physiology, all those.  They are all understanding of 
different 
levels of wholeness.  Same way experience of different levels of 
wholeness 
through long practice, practice, practice, practice.

There is a saying in English, 'practice makes a man perfect'.  This 
is 
it. 
Practicing total functioning of the brain.  That means experiencing 
Transcendental Field of intelligence, Self Referral, for short time, 
and for 
short time, and for short time, like that the brain physiology 
becomes 
habituated to function in that manner all the time, all the time.

That is the Unity Consciousness.  That is Unified field of Natural 
Law. 
Unified Field of Natural Law conceptually is indicated by these 
mathematical 
equitation's, but practically it's open to itself on its own 
transcendental 
value - experience.

So beauty of Dr Hagelin is, that what he has understood 
theoretically 
on the 
intellectual level he has experienced it, on the practical level, 
and 
therefore his brain has started to function totally, totally, 
totally.  
So 
the scientist is absolutely convinced, and now he's going to change 
the 
world.

Dr J HAGELIN: Thank you very much Maharishi.  Mr David Jones has a 
further 
question ?

David JONES: Yes. So from that Maharishi, I'm not, . I don't .. at 
the 
moment .. I'm not a Mediator, I don't practice TM, but if I did, 
would 
I 
experience, would I personally experience immediate long term, um 
short 
and 
long term benefits from, from taking up Transcendental Meditation, 
and 
you 
know, would you recommend it to me and that would be a lasting 
benefit, 
and 
it would start straight away would it?

MAHARISHI: You will immediately become a better human being, a 
better, 
writer, a better reporter, a better leader of your world press.  
Immediately 
you will begin to feel that you are better and better in every field 
of 
your, of your exposure.  That's all.

David JONES: I  . I hesitate to mention the Beatles word.  I know 
you 
don't 
particularly like going back all those years, but British - English 
people 
of course associate you with, with that, with the Beatles, and with 
that 
period and they haven't themselves,  they haven't enjoyed, like er, 
they 
haven't enjoyed always a a  particularly good fate since, since 
their, 
since 
their encounter with Transcendental, Transcendental Meditation it's 
fair to 
say.  I mean two of them of course are no longer with us.  Can you 
explain 
perhaps why, why they didn't gain these benefits that we're talking 
about, 
that I would gain as a writer and as a reporter?

MAHARISHI: What is your age?

David JONES: 49.

MAHARISHI: How much?

David JONES: 49 sir.

MAHARISHI: 49?

David JONES: Yes.

MAHARISHI:  Then you are still not born in the world when I started 
The 
Movement.

David JONES: I was born in 1956.

MAHARISHI: So only . you came in the world much later.  That will be 
the 
effect of your coming back in the world, that the world is going to 
be 
a 
better ..

David JONES: I don't understand.  Sorry.

MAHARISHI: And it is surprising how, how you could not do to that.  
It's 
only lack of your parents, lack of your teachers, lack of your 
people 
who, 
who they don't introduce you when you are 15 years, 20 years. So you 
continued as other people, other boys continue.

When you will taste it you, you know, you know that English phrase? 
Taste of 
pudding is in eating.  Taste of Transcendental Consciousness is in 
experiencing.  And you could keep on talking for hundreds of years.  
But 
until you have taken a dive into it, you'll not know what it is.

It's in the, it's in the taste of pudding that the pudding lies 
otherwise 
the pudding doesn't have any meaning.  So much of scientific 
researches.  In 
all those 6,7 volumes of scientific research.

For your own sake, for your own sake my dear friend, British 
journalist, for 
your own sake, you don't waste your life in writing.  You, you use 
your 
life 
for something substantial, to Be.

You don't think writing is only the [?? ] thing and this, and you've 
written 
article and all this, and the newspaper, so you are great.  Don't 
think 
you're great [?based?] on the superficial values of public 
evaluation.

Be substantially Be. Be substantially Be your own Reality.

You are losing a great chance by thinking of Transcendental 
Meditation, 
how 
it will fulfil your, your profession and it [??] too superficial.  
You're 
giving too superficial value to your life.  Life is much greater.  
Life 
is 
that which Dr Hagelin say -  Unified Field.

Man is the master of his own destiny.  Don't be a football of 
situations and 
circumstances.   Anything worldly like that like that.   It's too 
superficial to base life on.

David JONES: Does, does, Maharishi? does in your view, does 
celebrity 
have 
any place in modern society?   Celebrity and fame? These things, do 
they 
have any importance?

MAHARISHI: What is it? Dr Hagelin, what is it ? . ..

Dr John HAGELIN Yes, David was following up on Maharishi's message - 
(JH 
repeats the question.)

MAHARISHI: It has a place of waste of life in my evaluation.

David JONES: But sir, you yourself are famous.

MAHARISHI: Hmmm?

David JONES: You yourself are famous.

MAHARISHI: But that fame is nothing to do with me!  Those who feel 
good 
they 
say yes I am good, I am good.  But I don't become good by telling, 
by 
them 
telling me to be good!

All that is a sup.. fame and all this is too superficial.

Life is so grand, and so good, and so - enormously powerful then 
these 
little [flame ?].   If you write very good article for me, I say 'oh 
yes, 
[but ???] ' and all that.  It's too superficial for me to think like 
that.

This fame - [this] doesn't make anything. Life is more, more of a 
Substance. 
Fame is aerial. (laughs) It's a spacey aerial. Waves go in the air! 
So 
these 
are too superficial things for me.

David JONES: One more question then on that subject, about, and it 
is 
about 
the Beatles.  Do you regret, do you regret now having ever become 
involved 
with them, because then your movement became associated with 
celebrity, 
with 
you know, you know popular music and so on. Do you regret that 
period?

MAHARISHI: FORGET ABOUT IT.

If at all Beatles became substantial due to my [???]. I did not 
become 
[???] 
by association of the Beatles.  These boys will be musicians - 
Beatles.

It's a wrong, it's for the English press to make the Beatles so [?
what 
is?] 
wherever, even after 50 years.

Beatles make the Maharishi great.  It's a waste of thought?  It's 
[??]

What these little singers boy, singer boys contact the field of 
Divine 
integrity.  It was good enough that day.  They followed. They had a 
good, 
what they call it, a teacher or a guide.  But when he was no more 
they 
all 
scattered here and there and there.  So he was the guide who made 
these 
four 
boys put together, and made Beatles.

Then British press made wherever he may be after so many years? [?] 
Beatles. 
Maharishi Beatles, Maharishi Beatles.

It's a waste of thought.

David JONES: Hm.  OK.

John HAGELIN: Maharishi - there are two questions I'd like to try 
and 
squeeze in from the press, before we will soon have to close.

One has to do with the nature of this scientific age, which 
Maharishi 
feels 
is a very strategic age, a strategic time to transform the world.  
It 
is, 
Maharishi often talks about how he is creating a bright new destiny 
in 
this 
scientific age, and that no one need suffer any more in this 
scientific 
age.

My question is about the significance of the scientific age. Why is 
the 
scientific age more advantageous than perhaps some previous age? 
Hasn't 
the 
scientific age also brought mankind to the brink of disaster?  What 
make the 
scientific age so ideal in Maharishi's mind?

MAHARISHI: science provides a systematic sequential approach to 
reality. 
Science provides systematic approach to reality.  Say supposing 
reality 
is 
heaven, for other people science could also provide a systematic 
reality of 
hell also! Systematically go in the other direction and go to hell!  
Here, 
the religion is a saviour of science, and science is a promoter of 
religion. 
Science is a promoter of a reliable religion.  Leads mankind to 
peace, 
prosperity, happiness, Will of God.  Will of God? the protector of 
everything and all that, all that all that, told about God.  Like 
that, 
like 
that.

So the whole thing, religion,  religious text, scientific text, they 
all 
lead sequentially the individual to his cosmic potential which is 
Pure 
Divinity, the Light of God.

So science is a reliable approach to Light of God, a reliable 
approach 
to 
Light of God.  It's a reliable approach.

Dr John HAGELIN: Thank you very much Maharishi.

Here's another short but deep question I think.  Maharishi what is 
the 
difference in the mechanics of a person who transcends to experience 
Pure 
Being, Pure Unmanifest Veda at the source of thought, and the 
process 
of a 
Rishi undergoes when he cognises Veda.  When he sees and hears the 
hymns of 
the Veda?

So I guess the question is what is the difference between 
transcending 
to 
experience pure being and cognising the Veda within that Reality of 
Being.

MAHARISHI: When we say Veda in that, three values are involved.   
The 
Rishi, 
that means the seer, and the process of seeing and the object of 
sight.  
So 
seer, seeing and sight.  All the three means Veda. Rishi, Devata, 
Chhand. 
All the three means the Veda, Total Knowledge.

And cognition of the Veda means, when you see the Veda, hear the 
Veda, 
when 
you see the Veda, and what you see is this 'who is the seer? what is 
the 
seeing process?  What is the sight which is the goal of seeing? '

So the seeing seer, seeing, sight, Rishi, Devata, Chhandas, these 
are 
the 
cognitions of the three aspects of the Veda, Rishi Devata, 
Chhandas.  
And 
when we say all the three, when we say all the three together 
Samhita. 
Samhita means Unified field, Unified Field of all the three. Rishi, 
and 
Devata, Chhandas.  Three in togetherness, that is the Veda.

That is the soul of everyone.  That is the Atma of everyone, that is 
the 
Totality, that is Unity Consciousness, that is Brahm.  Aham Brahm.  
I 
am 
Totality.  I am Brahm, I am Brahm, I am Brahm.

That is the Reality of, of man in the Light of God. That's why man 
has 
that 
authenticity.  Man is the master of his own destiny.  Because at the 
top 
level he is on the level of almighty, total liveliness of Natural 
Law. 
Cosmic Law.  Divine Law.  Pure Divinity. God. Unified Field.

David JONES: Maharishi, thank you for that.

When you, when you look at the world now, and you see, you see the 
division, 
the stark division that exists between the, the Islamic world, and 
the 
Christian world, do you, do you look at one side perhaps and say 
well I 
have 
more sympathy with that side or the other side? And also how do you, 
how do 
you see this great er, this conflict may be resolved through, 
through, 
through Transcendental Meditation?

MAHARISHI: Through Transcendental Meditation is one thing on the 
level 
of 
experience.  On the level of theory they will all come to  Unified 
Field. 
Unified Field is a field which unifies all differences.  And 
Christianity 
has a God, Islam has a God, and Buddhism has a God, and this one has 
a 
God, 
and this one has a God.  Unified Field has all the Gods on one 
level. 
Unified level.

So it is the scientific age that is going to eliminate the thorny 
edge 
of 
differences of all religions, not only all religions but all systems 
of 
politics, all systems of economy, all systems of differences 
everywhere.

This is going to be the scientific approach to life.

But now that the Unified Field has been discovered by Dr Hagelin and 
his 
colleagues in the world, when the top level has been known, young 
students 
life should not be wasted in test tube laboratories. Not in those 
days 
when 
science was developing then the test tube laboratory for students 
were 
all 
right.

But now the students should be given direct experience of that 
Unified 
Field, and direct understanding of all these mathematical 
calculations 
emerging from zero.  From the zero point motion, where all the 
Unified 
Field 
is a reality.  From zero, from zero.

What is not being taught in the schools is zero.  The education or 
mathematics starts from 'one two three four five .' but zero . ?

When we write a Vedic one, first we write the zero and strengthen  
the 
line 
to be one.  So when we see a Vedic one, it has a zero in it, and one 
in 
it. 
When we write and the other one, say supposing English one, one 
stick 
there 
is no zero.  What is missing? The source of one.  The source of one 
is 
missing.

In other .. this .unit of language, in other languages. But in the 
Vedic 
language, zero is there and one is there.  In other language simple 
one 
is 
there.  When one is there, one hangs without its source.  And 
anything 
without its source will never satisfy completeness of knowledge.

It's a very simple argument that I am giving.  Just to say that it 
is 
the 
mathematics in all the different world which decides so many 
different 
values.  Even the mathematics is without its real permanent basis.

Now you see the mathematics.  Where is mathematics?  So we go to 
Vedic 
mathematics, we go to Vedic language, we go to Vedic expression, we 
go 
to 
Vedic silence.  And then we have trained our brain physiology to 
function 
completely and then we are really fully developed individuals, fully 
developed human beings.  We are expression of the Divine.

We are the masters of our own destiny.  Otherwise we are slaves of 
situations and circumstances.

These are simple, plain words, [??] to the heart, but they are very 
soft. 
Dr Hagelin comment on them, and we'll like to close the talk today.  
Or 
call 
Dr Morris to explain to the world press.

David JONES: Could I ask you one more question sir? Just one. One 
more 
question?  Please?

Could I ask you one more question?

MAHARISHI: Yes yes yes all right.

David JONES: Sorry, I'm having trouble with the microphone ..

MAHARISHI: yes, yes ..

David JONES: It might sound rather a morbid question, but I hope 
you'll 
take 
it in a cosmic spirit.

MAHARISHI: What is it?

David JONES: You're rather old now sir

MAHARISHI: Could you speak, could you speak slower.  I will 
understand 
you 
better to speak slowly.  Will you speak slowly, not too fast.

David JONES: The question is, you're getting older now, I don't know 
exact.. 
can you hear me?

MAHARISHI: I am following you now slowly.

David JONES: Yes.  I don't know precisely what age you are but 
clearly 
you 
won't live for ever like any of us.  What will happen to the TM 
Movement 
when you pass? When you pass on ?  Have you got successors in mind?  
do 
you 
need a successor to, to, to be a figure head if you like of the 
Movement?

MAHARISHI: No, no.

David JONES: or how will it work?

MAHARISHI: It doesn't work on the individual level.  It works on the 
Cosmic 
level which is expressed in the individual.

When I pass on, the body is to pass on, but Transcendental 
Meditation 
is not 
my creation.  Transcendental Meditation has been throughout the ages 
since 
immemorial, unmanifest, self-referral, Unified Field is the 
Transcendental 
Meditation.

People forget about it, someone comes to say it's there you, [it's 
there you 
.. ].  He passes away.  This passing away is not of any importance.  
We 
don't give importance to the individual.  We give importance to the 
Transcendental Reality which transcends the individual and 
establishes 
universal eternal oneness of Being.

So a man speaks for it in these years,  another man speaks of that 
in 
that 
year.  So it's not the individual, it is the same reality that is 
eternal, 
is being spoken by those who like to enjoy speaking about it.

I am not, I am not thinking of my life or death or this.  I am 
thinking 
that 
Transcendental Meditation is now very properly come to bless the 
nations as 
a whole, to bless the unified value of all nations.

That is time when all the people of the world are, all the 
intelligent 
I 
mean, they are hankering to find a solution.  This gives a solution 
to 
them, 
that's all, that's all, that's all.

All these organisation like United Nation, and all these governments 
of 
each 
country who like to do maximum for their people, when they find 
their 
fulfilment in the programme, the whole world will be [risen] to 
Divine 
level 
rather than being exposed to human level.  Human level is a very 
unsatisfactory level, like that, like that.

David JONES: Thank you very much. One more question or not?

MAHARISHI: All right, all right.

DAVID JONES: Where do you get your tremendous, where do you get your 
tremendous energy from? I Understand you only sleep about 2 hours a 
day, 
and, and for fifty years you've only slept 2 hours a day.

MAHARISHI: Nobody knows  -  even those two hours are like what? 
(laughs)

David JONES: Pardon sir?

[VOICE IN BACKGROUND: he doesn't take 2 hours. David JONES: I see.  
[Fair 
enough then.] Time's nothing, is that what he means?]

MAHARISHI: Nobody knows if I am sleeping even those two hours!  
People 
make 
their stories.  So - but these, these are not significant in my 
case, 
because I am not living in terms of how much I sleep and how much I 
eat, and 
how much I wake up, and all . This is not my life.  My life is that 
level 
where unmanifest prevails through all differences in manifestations.

So that is all right.  It's like the life of everyone like that, 
like 
that, 
like that.  How one's asleep, and how one's awake and how much one 
eats 
and 
what one eats.  Whether one eats sweet more, or pungent more, or 
salt 
more. 
Whatever means is a waste of life, waste of time.

David JONES: Thank you very much indeed.

MAHARISHI: Hmm?

Dr John HAGELIN: Thank you very much Maharishi,  that was a truly 
sweeping 
interview covering a huge range of subjects from the Divine to the 
extremely 
relative and Maharishi spoke in an extremely compassionate and 
parental 
way 
to the people of the United Kingdom, [??] through David JONES, today.

Answering some very deep questions about the country and it's 
activities and 
its future. Also speaking very personally and in a parental way to 
David 
himself. ....





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