[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta answers: What about the witness? Is it real or unreal?
Q: What about the witness? Is it real or unreal? Nisargadatta: It is both. The last remnant of illusion, the first touch of the real. To say: I am only the witness is both false and true: false because of the 'I am', true because of the witness. It is better to say: 'there is witnessing'. The moment you say: 'I am', the entire universe comes into being along with its creator.
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta is brahma(n)??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iamthat_goethean.jpg It seems to me the devanaagarii text reads something like: ahaM brahmaasmi (brahma + asmi) Why ain't it translated as I am brahma(n)?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta is brahma(n)??
I am That Thou art That All this is That That alone is That is very jealous of Brahman? From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta is brahma(n)?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iamthat_goethean.jpg It seems to me the devanaagarii text reads something like: ahaM brahmaasmi (brahma + asmi) Why ain't it translated as I am brahma(n)?
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta
There is no sense of purpose in my doing anything. Things happen as they happen -- not because I make them happen, but it is because I am that they happen. In reality nothing ever happens. When the mind is restless, it makes Shiva dance, like the restless waters of the lake make the moon dance. It is all appearance, due to wrong ideas. ...in whatever role I may appear and whatever function I may perform -- I remain what I am: the 'I am' immovable, unshakable, independent. When I say 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire for I am complete forever. Words betray their hollowness. The real cannot be described, it must be experienced. I cannot find better words for what I know. What I say may sound ridiculous. But what the words try to convey is the highest truth. All is one, however much we quibble. And all is done to please the one source and goal of every desire, whom we all know as the 'I am'.
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta on the possibility of McCain becoming President
If you imagine yourself as separate from the the world, the world will appear as separate from you and you will experience desire and fear. I do not see the world as separate from me and so there is nothing for me to desire, or fear.
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta sounds extraordinary to me. ( David Lynch and Psychosis)
Nisargadatta sounds extraordinary to me. You? It's about energy. He casts sound spells. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: ** Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic. I am glad we have so many hobby psychologists here. It might be interesting to you, that some of the most enlightened people on earth were heavy smokers. Nisargadatta Maharaj comes to mind. Coffee consumption is neither unusual with enlightened. A friend of mine knew a Lady saint in India living on coffee alone, not eating any food. Vaj and Edg might want to do a voice analysis based on this tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta
The Sense of I am (Consciousness) When I met my Guru, he told me: You are not what you take yourself to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense 'I am', find your real Self. I obeyed him, because I trusted him. I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend looking at myself in silence. And what a difference it made, and how soon! My teacher told me to hold on to the sense 'I am' tenaciously and not to swerve from it even for a moment. I did my best to follow his advice and in a comparatively short time I realized within myself the truth of his teaching. All I did was to remember his teaching, his face, his words constantly. This brought an end to the mind; in the stillness of the mind I saw myself as I am -- unbound. I simply followed (my teacher's) instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being 'I am', and stay in it. I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the 'I am' in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it, all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence. My Guru ordered me to attend to the sense 'I am' and to give attention to nothing else. I just obeyed. I did not follow any particular course of breathing, or meditation, or study of scriptures. Whatever happened, I would turn away my attention from it and remain with the sense 'I am', it may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so. Yet it worked! Obedience is a powerful solvent of all desires and fears. ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj That in whom reside all beings and who reside in all beings, who is the giver of grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being--I am That. ~ Amritbindu Upanishad That which permeates all, which nothing transcends and which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman --that thou are. Shankara
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta Maharaj
One might construe N's orientation as being fully non-attached ...or not; perhaps he lacks interest in relative considerations. Being external obserers, we don't know what the true situation is for sure. It's analogous to a Turing machine test: either a computer or a real person is answering questions behind some opaque substance which blocks our vision of the speaker. We are required to guess whether the speaker is a computer or a real person, based solely on the content of the answers. Short of magical knowledge or cheating, our decision must be based on common sense considerations. By analogy, consider the case of Nisagardatta Maharaj. Is his apparent lack of interest in things relative evidence of some deeper, more profound Realization than than possessed by MMY? I think not. Simply because MMY expresses more interest in things relative than N, such as accumulating wealth, establishing Heaven on Earth, etc; this cannot (IMO) be constued as evidence that MMY's realization falls short of N's.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta Maharaj
--- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One might construe N's orientation as being fully non-attached ...or not; perhaps he lacks interest in relative considerations. Being external obserers, we don't know what the true situation is for sure. It's analogous to a Turing machine test: either a computer or a real person is answering questions behind some opaque substance which blocks our vision of the speaker. We are required to guess whether the speaker is a computer or a real person, based solely on the content of the answers. Short of magical knowledge or cheating, our decision must be based on common sense considerations. By analogy, consider the case of Nisagardatta Maharaj. Is his apparent lack of interest in things relative evidence of some deeper, more profound Realization than than possessed by MMY? I think not. Simply because MMY expresses more interest in things relative than N, such as accumulating wealth, establishing Heaven on Earth, etc; this cannot (IMO) be constued as evidence that MMY's realization falls short of N's. Who said it fell short? MMY is as hollow and empty as N's and vice versa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta quote
By looking tirelessly, I became quite empty and with that emptiness all came back to me except the mind. I find I have lost the mind irretrievably. I am neither conscious nor unconscious, I am beyond the mind and its various states and conditions. Distinctions are created by the mind and apply to the mind only. I am pure Consciousness itself, unbroken awareness of all that is. I am in a more real state than yours. I am undistracted by the distinctions and separations which constitute a person. As long as the body lasts, it has its needs like any other, but my mental process has come to an end. My thinking, like my digestion, is unconscious and purposeful. I am not a person in your sense of the word, though I may appear a person to you. I am that infinite ocean of consciousness in which all happens. I am also beyond all existence and cognition, pure bliss of being. There is nothing I feel separate from, hence I am all. No thing is me, so I am nothing. Life will escape, the body will die, but it will not affect me in the least. Beyond space and time I am, uncaused, uncausing, yet the very matrix of existence.
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta Maharaj on attainment and efforts
Interesting for the importance of "ceaseless efforts", thoughts and kundalini and the process of creation. This is from the only work written by Nisargadatta Maharaj rather than by someone else. -S."One who takes to the path of the spirit starts with contemplation and propitiation. It is here, for the first time, that he finds some joy in prayer and worship. At this preliminary stage he gets the company of co-aspirants. Reading of the lives and works of past incarnations of God, of Rishis, of Saints and Sages, singing the glories of the Name, visiting temples, and a constant meditation on these result in the photic and phonic experiences of the mystic life; his desires are satisfied to an extent now. Thinking that he has had the vision of God, he intensifies his efforts of fondly remembering the name of God and His worship. In this state of the mind, the Bhakta quite frequently has a glimpse of his cherished deity, which he takes to be the divine vision and is satisfied with it. At this juncture, he is sure to come into contact with a Saint. The Saint, and now his preceptor, makes it plain to him that what he has had is not the real vision, which is beyond the said experiences, and is only to be had through Self Realisation. At this point, the aspirant reaches the stage of the meditator. In the beginning, the Sadhaka is instructed into the secrets of his own person, and of the indwelling spirit; the meaning and nature of Prana, the various plexuses, and the nature and arousal of the Kundalini, and the nature of the Self. Later on, he comes to know of the origin of the five elements, their activity, radiation, and merits and defects. Meanwhile his mind undergoes the process of purification and acquires composure, and this the Sadhaka experiences through the deep-laid subtle center of the Indweller; he also knows how and why it is there, only that the deiform element is kindled. This knowledge transforms him into the pure, eternal, and spiritual form of a Sadguru who is now in a position to initiate others into the secrets of the spirit. The stage of Sadhakahood ends here. As the great Saint Tukarama said, the aspirant must put in ceaseless efforts in the pursuit of spiritual life. Thoughts must be utilised for Self-knowledge. He must be alert and watchful in ascertaining the nature of this 'I' that is involved in the affairs of pleasure and pain arising out of sense experience."-Nisargadatta Maharaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta, Siddharamesh, Ramesh, Banganga (was: Fake Gurus ..)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much for the suggestion. Here are some quotations by Siddharameshwar, some stories about Ban Ganga, some reflections on Ramesh. First about Bhakti and Knowledge by Siddharameshwar Maharaj Guru of Nisargadatta Maharaj, Guru of Ramesh Balsekar from 'Amrut Laya' obtainable by Chetana Publishers in Bombay: Parabrahman If one separates Brahman from Parabrahman, then the former is called Primordial Illusion (Mula Maya).Power and knowledge (Prakriti and Purusha, as also Shakti and Shiva) are one and the same. Knowledge ia a very subtle concept or thought. It is true that the God has created this world, but the world exists only as long as the perishable body exists. God exists only till the devotee exists and vice versa. So long as the dream lasts the dreamer is present. However the basis of all these is Parabrahman, where there is nothing. God has intense fear of getting destroyed. Whatever is without fear is Parabrahman. In this 'stateless state' there is no God, no man or woman and no ignorance or knowledge.If Brahma (God) or Parabrahman were the same, there would have been no need at all for the prefix 'Para' (beyond). Devotion and Knowledge One should first attain and then speak. Body is bound by its own karma (action), devotion is like a farm and knowledge is like a fruit. At the beginning of this exposition reverential adoration has to be offered to Sri Ganesh first, then to Sri Saraswati and finally to Sri Satguru. What is the reason for this? If somebody asks If the sequence of this adoration is changed, will there be confusion? The answer has to be yes, there will be confusion, because Sri Ganesh is the deity for meditation and contemplation, Sri Saraswati is the deity who denotes the exposition, (through words). With the help of these two deities, the deity in the form of light of the Self, which rises in the heart of the aspirant is none other than the Satguru. Hence the Satguru has to be adored necessarily after Sri Ganesha and Sri Saraswati. Only when the understanding of the subject becomes firm, does the grace of the Satguru of Self descend. Textual contemplation and exposition of this subject alone will not lead the aspirant to his goal.Hence, he should reverentially adore Sri Ganesh and Sri Saraswati. Realizing the secret of the principle: first let the manifest form be seen by the eyes and then Vedanta be extolled, the mouth should chant the mantra (subtle name) and imprint its significance within. All quotations from 'Amrut Laya' by Siddharameshwar Maharaj, Guru of Nisargadatta Maharaj, Guru of Ramesh Balsekar. Book can be obtained by Chetana Publications in Mumbai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other books of interest by Nisargadatta, otainable by Chetana I AM THAT Seeds of Consciousness Prior to Consciousness Consciousness and the Absolute (Final Talks) Pointers from Nisargadatta Maharaj by Ramesh Balsekar === BANGANGA I went to the Samadhi of Siddharameshwar three times during my stay, just to hang out and meditate, usually after the morning talks of Ramesh. There is a young Indian, a filmmaker, named Vikram who lives nearby and gave us a ride. As he just moved there, he one night checked out the restaurants at Ban Ganga, and went to a very nice A/C place. After dinner he had the rest of the food backed and wanted to leave. There, outside at the dood was an Aghori Baba, who was obviously refused entrance to the costly A/C place. V. gave hom the packed food, and in addition a 500 rupie note, a lot for an indian, but just about 10 $ for us. He had it rolled inside a paper. The sadhu then ask V to donate him a blanket, as he wanted to go to Tirupati (pilgrimage place in the south). V told the Sadhu to look what he gave him, whereupon he just roled the paper with the note to produce some fire or just ashes, I don't remember completely. Then he went. No idea if this was just a trick or a siddhi. V obviously believed it to be true. Aghoris usuall stay at Cremation grounds (Smashans), and this is the place wer Siddharameshs samadhi is. == NAVANATH / KARSIDDHESHWAR I usualy met an old man there who had somewhat the resemblence of Nisargadatta. He was a disciple of his, and also still met Siddharamesh, when he was a child.As there was some discussion among us as about the actual tradition of Nisargadatta, it is mentioned in 'I am That' that he belonged to the Navnath Samradaya, which is a subbranch as I knew of the Naths, Sadhus who have a rather mystic approach, and usually carry a whistle around their neck, as a symbol of sound being the basis of creation. As a matter of fact, Aghoris are also a kind of nath subbranch. When mentioning the Navanath to the old man at the Samadhi, he contradicted and said that Siddharamesh belonged to the Kadasiddheswar Sampradaya (obviously a subsect of Navnath). He said that Siddharameshwar was the last Guru in
