>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> > > <steve.sundur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation
> > > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to
> > > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had
> > > > > such experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged
> > > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't
> > > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But
> > > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him
> > > > > superior to anybody else.
> > > >
> > > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate"
> with
> > > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as
> a
> > > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies,
> with
> > > no
> > > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more
> > > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which
> > > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's
> experience,
> > > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much
> > > > controversy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz.
> He
> > > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his
> > > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used
> in
> > > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective
> > > manifestation of Unity.
> > >
> >
> > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is
> > an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it,
> > either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I
> > certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt
> it.
>
> The key phrase in this context in what Lawson is saying
> is "objective manifestation," i.e., something that anyone
> who was present could see, something that would show up
> on film, something that would pass whatever objective
> test you cared to devise. That's how TM defines the term
> "levitation."
>
> But it's not how Barry defines it. For Barry, levitation
> is an experience somebody can make you (but not necessarily
> anybody else) have that leads you to believe they have
> levitated; no objective proof necessary.
>
> Which is more likely to occur, just in the general scheme
> of things? Which is more of an achievement on the part
> of the putative levitator?
Using Ocham's Razor, the simplest credible explanation of someone
reporting they saw their teacher flying through the skies is that the
student is hallucinating, or open to some powerful suggestive
manipulations. Hallucinations are not distinguishable by the student
from third-party correlated reality. As others have pointed out, the
hallucinator can often not tell if they are hallucinating. Just ask
John Nash (A Beautiful Mind).
Ocham's Razor does not prove that the teacher didn't objectively fly.
Simply its an explanation that is far more plausible and simpler than
upending newtonian physics at "everyday" levels of space, time and speed.
If Barry were trying to convince anyone that Lenz physically levitated
in a physically verrifiable way, which by his words he is not, then
the first step would be to disprove or lower the liklihood of the
hallucination hypothesis. Particularly given that the press was
invited to view Lenz levitate and did not come back with eith pictures
or credible eye-witness tesimony, AFAIK.
The fact that Barry eshews measurement and objective verification by
third parties, and repeatable experiments -- and far favors "stories"
as a vastly superior form of truth, I think tells us a lot about
Barry's inner world -- and the steep challenge for him to provide some
credible backing to the non-hallucination hypothesis.
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