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On 2/1/2014 4:20 PM, Bhairitu wrote: And Svoboda is even of all things a Texan! So, what would Svoboda being a Texan have to do with being a sadhu or a yogi?
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On 2/1/2014 3:59 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: You should try reading the Aghora series by Svaboda. For what purpose would anyone here be reading the Aghora series by Svaboda? You can't be a sadhu or a yogi by reading a book by a guy from Texas. Go figure. Perhaps that might help you not embarrass your self so much. The embarrassment here is that you've told us exactly nothing about sadhus or yogis.
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On 2/1/2014 4:38 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The pundito doesn't want to understand deeply and expansively. You're the spiritual teacher - why don't you tell us why you're wanting to be a sadhu and a yogi. Why won't you give us some spiritual advice or instruction? Is it some secret knowledge you have or some secret technique? In TM practice you only get one single bija mantra and some fertilizer to go along with it - TMers meditate twice a day for twenty minutes or maybe an hour if they practice the siddhis; and TMers can reach enlightenment in a few minutes or not longer than 5-7 years. Obviously you've gone way beyond basic TM practice. How many mantras does a person have to know in order to become enlightened and how long would it take? You've been on a spiritual path for most of your adult life, but can you fly? What is it like to be practicing up-side down tantra rituals to the Hindu demi-gods and trying to follow a Tibetan Buddhist path at the same time? Go figure.
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On 2/2/2014 1:41 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Vedic Chhandas and bijâkshara-s don't work - for the deaf or damn fools. Nor do books about Tantra sadhana. You can use any mnemonic device as a an aid to meditation - symbols, sounds, images, visualizations. There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda - I don't even know why you brought that up. You're not even making any sense. The Tantras are books! There are only two things that are incumbent on a sadhu or a yogi: you must be meditating on your bija mantra at least twice a day: in the morning when the sun comes up, and in the evening when the sun goes down. Meditating for some time, one gets established permanently in the state of being. And then, wherever the mind goes one is established in that Self no matter what one does here or there; it doesn't matter when one is established in the Self. And, that state comes after some time from going deep inside and coming out. With this practice one gets established permanently in the Self, and then whatever you do you are not separate from the Self... - Tat Walah Baba, Rishikesh 1969
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On 2/2/2014 1:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: First off the early levels of tantra have nothing to do with sex and even if the cremation grounds ritual is required to be an archaya some paths (including mine) have replacements for that. Even wine can be replaced by fruit juice in tantric rituals. Bet you didn't know that! There is no substitute for actual tantric ritual coitus - anybody who says that sex has no part in tantra is deceiving themselves - sex has everything to do with tantra. Tantra is for householders, not for monks or nuns. Apparently you're not reading the Kama Sutra. My advice to you would be get in shape and attach yourself to a real live shakti - before your palms grow hair. It's not complicated.
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On 2/2/2014 4:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Every sexual act, whether conjugal or otherwise, is transgressive to a certain degree and all secret sexual activity between husband and wife is antinomian to a certain degree. The only sure-fire way to make sure you are using all the tools in your tantra toolbox is to get the real thing, the whole thing - not just mood-making with some imagined shaktis and/or with some murti idols. So, lets review what we know: The Tantras - manuals of practice - were composed during the Golden Age of Hinduism, during the Gupta period (320-650 AD). Tantra is based on positioning and placement. The basic notion of tantra is polarity - the division of cosmic energy. The Sanskrit term tantra comes from the root words tan - to weave and tra - a tool. So, tantra is a tool for weaving the opposing forces that animate the universe. Tantrais a way of thinking and acting that includes a microcosmic and macrocosmic correlation - in Hinduism shiva-shakti. Any person who aspires for spiritual expansion or does a spiirtual practice, using yogic techniques or something concrete, is a Tantric. The entire universe is composed of sexual energy - the goal of tantric practice is to channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in creative and emancipatory ways in order to obtain freedom from bondage.
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Completely unnecessary to achieve enlightenment. On 02/04/2014 07:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/2/2014 1:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: First off the early levels of tantra have nothing to do with sex and even if the cremation grounds ritual is required to be an archaya some paths (including mine) have replacements for that. Even wine can be replaced by fruit juice in tantric rituals. Bet you didn't know that! There is no substitute for actual tantric ritual coitus - anybody who says that sex has no part in tantra is deceiving themselves - sex has everything to do with tantra. Tantra is for householders, not for monks or nuns. Apparently you're not reading the Kama Sutra. My advice to you would be get in shape and attach yourself to a real live shakti - before your palms grow hair. It's not complicated.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/2/2014 1:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: First off the early levels of tantra have nothing to do with sex and even if the cremation grounds ritual is required to be an archaya some paths (including mine) have replacements for that. Even wine can be replaced by fruit juice in tantric rituals. Bet you didn't know that! There is no substitute for actual tantric ritual coitus - anybody who says that sex has no part in tantra is deceiving themselves - sex has everything to do with tantra. Tantra is for householders, not for monks or nuns. Apparently you're not reading the Kama Sutra. My advice to you would be get in shape and attach yourself to a real live shakti - before your palms grow hair. It's not complicated. Funny post, Ricky. But how come no one seems to know what Tantra is all about around here? Sex, no sex, sex drinking fruit juice, to wear mittens or not to wear mittens (based on the hirsute nature of one's palms), I mean what gives? I thought all you guys were experts. What's all that time reading and sitting in lecture halls amounted to? Confusion, apparently, that's what.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/2/2014 4:46 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote: Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Every sexual act, whether conjugal or otherwise, is transgressive to a certain degree and all secret sexual activity between husband and wife is antinomian to a certain degree. The only sure-fire way to make sure you are using all the tools in your tantra toolbox is to get the real thing, the whole thing - not just mood-making with some imagined shaktis and/or with some murti idols. So, lets review what we know: The Tantras - manuals of practice - were composed during the Golden Age of Hinduism, during the Gupta period (320-650 AD). Tantra is based on positioning and placement. The basic notion of tantra is polarity - the division of cosmic energy. The Sanskrit term tantra comes from the root words tan - to weave and tra - a tool. So, tantra is a tool for weaving the opposing forces that animate the universe. Tantrais a way of thinking and acting that includes a microcosmic and macrocosmic correlation - in Hinduism shiva-shakti. Any person who aspires for spiritual expansion or does a spiirtual practice, using yogic techniques or something concrete, is a Tantric. The entire universe is composed of sexual energy - the goal of tantric practice is to channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in creative and emancipatory ways in order to obtain freedom from bondage. Couldn't sticking one's wet finger into a light socket accomplish this as well?
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On 2/4/2014 11:09 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Couldn't sticking one's wet finger into a light socket accomplish this as well? This could easily be tested. There is simply nothing to compare to the enjoyment and enlightenment one can get in a sexual relationship with a spouse. That's the whole thing - nothing gets left out when you're a householder tantric. At some point these two guys have to come down from their cloud and get their feet on the ground - this is not a game or a pastime for casual study - it's the real thing: relationships - what they do to you, and what you do back.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/4/2014 11:09 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Couldn't sticking one's wet finger into a light socket accomplish this as well? This could easily be tested. There is simply nothing to compare to the enjoyment and enlightenment one can get in a sexual relationship with a spouse. That's the whole thing - nothing gets left out when you're a householder tantric. At some point these two guys have to come down from their cloud and get their feet on the ground - this is not a game or a pastime for casual study - it's the real thing: relationships - what they do to you, and what you do back. Yuppers, I'll drink to that.
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On 2/1/2014 4:20 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I've recommended that trilogy several times to the great pundito but it seemed to fall on blind eyes. And Svoboda is even of all things a Texan! Left-handed tamasic ritual practices: that's what I'm talking about! We've been discussing this for years, but maybe I need to remind you: it's very difficult to be a practicing tantric yogi without a partner of the opposite sex - it's like living with only half of your human body. Yesterday I had coitus with my shakti and I ate part of the corpse of a cow, which if I'm not mistaken was my long-lost great, grandfather. Go figure. So, let's review what we know: Tantric sex IS the siddhis, you idiot! Are you two tantrics brainwashed, playing mind-games, or what? Tantra, both Tibetan and Hindu, includes ritual coitus. If you had bothered to read the tantras and to get yourselves initiated by a tantric guru, you would know this. Subject: TM and sexual Tantra Google Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 12/15/05 https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental/svaboda/ https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topicsearchin/alt.meditation.transcendental/svaboda%7Csort:date%7Cspell:true/alt.meditation.transcendental/udI32TKGss8
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emptybill: You should try reading the Aghora series by Svaboda. Yeah, right - I read Svaboda's first book when it came out back in 1986 and now I'm reading his book about Vastu. We attended Svoboda's lecture at the East Side Yoga studio in Austin a couple of years ago. About a year ago we saw Svaboda again with his mother at the Mi Tierra Cantina at the Mercado in downtown San Antonio. Svaboda told me his mother lives in Floresville which is about 50 miles south of here. He told me his Aunt Elenora lives on the San Antonio River, a few blocks from our place. Go figure. [image: Inline image 1] On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The usual half-baked information from the professor. You should try reading the Aghora series by Svaboda. Perhaps that might help you not embarrass your self so much.
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Vedic Chhandas and bijâkshara-s don't work - for the deaf or damn fools. Nor do books about Tantra sadhana.
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El Pundito fumbles: We've been discussing this for years, but maybe I need to remind you: it's very difficult to be a practicing tantric yogi without a partner of the opposite sex - it's like living with only half of your human body. First off the early levels of tantra have nothing to do with sex and even if the cremation grounds ritual is required to be an archaya some paths (including mine) have replacements for that. Even wine can be replaced by fruit juice in tantric rituals. Bet you didn't know that! Go figure. On 02/02/2014 10:12 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/1/2014 4:20 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I've recommended that trilogy several times to the great pundito but it seemed to fall on blind eyes. And Svoboda is even of all things a Texan! Left-handed tamasic ritual practices: that's what I'm talking about! We've been discussing this for years, but maybe I need to remind you: it's very difficult to be a practicing tantric yogi without a partner of the opposite sex - it's like living with only half of your human body. Yesterday I had coitus with my shakti and I ate part of the corpse of a cow, which if I'm not mistaken was my long-lost great, grandfather. Go figure. So, let's review what we know: Tantric sex IS the siddhis, you idiot! Are you two tantrics brainwashed, playing mind-games, or what? Tantra, both Tibetan and Hindu, includes ritual coitus. If you had bothered to read the tantras and to get yourselves initiated by a tantric guru, you would know this. Subject: TM and sexual Tantra Google Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 12/15/05 https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental/svaboda/ https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topicsearchin/alt.meditation.transcendental/svaboda%7Csort:date%7Cspell:true/alt.meditation.transcendental/udI32TKGss8
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There is no such thing as Tantric Sex. Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Sex is life ... not Tantra. Tantra is the personal worship of the devâtma-shaktis and devyatma-shaktis that animate the cosmos.Tantric ritual is its yogic codification while the inner agni-hotra (antar-yaga) is the means. Since Western society is already suffused with sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, any Tantra practice based upon such praxis is not transgressive. It therefore lacks the added fuel to break boundaries. In Vajrayana yogas, the only value of a sexual partner (karma-madra) is to more quickly and more powerfully activate the prana-s and pull them into the spine's central channel. In fact, it is considered almost parallel to the withdrawal of the pranas into the spine at death. However, mere sexual enjoyment is tangential and is considered a type of falling-down back to the sense-powers. It is NOT considered either some kind of awakening nor is it considered liberating. About Vajrayana yogas see Tsongkapa's explanation of each the six yogas of Naropa.
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And you are making the mistake of thinking that one school or book of tantra represents all tantra. There are many schools of tantra throughout India. On 02/02/2014 02:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is no such thing as Tantric Sex. Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Sex is life ... not Tantra. Tantra is the personal worship of the devâtma-shaktis and devyatma-shaktis that animate the cosmos.Tantric ritual is its yogic codification while the inner agni-hotra (antar-yaga) is the means. Since Western society is already suffused with sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, any Tantra practice based upon such praxis is not transgressive. It therefore lacks the added fuel to break boundaries. In Vajrayana yogas, the only value of a sexual partner (karma-madra) is to more quickly and more powerfully activate the prana-s and pull them into the spine's central channel. In fact, it is considered almost parallel to the withdrawal of the pranas into the spine at death. However, mere sexual enjoyment is tangential and is considered a type of falling-down back to the sense-powers. It is NOT considered either some kind of awakening nor is it considered liberating. About Vajrayana yogas see Tsongkapa's explanation of each the six yogas of Naropa.
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You must belong to the P-Dog school of dear professor. I'm sure there's a dog for every school.
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Nope, the Kali Sadhaka Gharana. I am a Sidh Tantrik. On 02/02/2014 04:20 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: You must belong to the P-Dog school of dear professor. I'm sure there's a dog for every school.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: There is no such thing as Tantric Sex. Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Sex is life ... not Tantra. Tantra is the personal worship of the devâtma-shaktis and devyatma-shaktis that animate the cosmos.Tantric ritual is its yogic codification while the inner agni-hotra (antar-yaga) is the means. Since Western society is already suffused with sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, any Tantra practice based upon such praxis is not transgressive. It therefore lacks the added fuel to break boundaries. In Vajrayana yogas, the only value of a sexual partner (karma-madra) is to more quickly and more powerfully activate the prana-s and pull them into the spine's central channel. In fact, it is considered almost parallel to the withdrawal of the pranas into the spine at death. However, mere sexual enjoyment is tangential and is considered a type of falling-down back to the sense-powers. It is NOT considered either some kind of awakening nor is it considered liberating. Who says? Who is the big expert on sex? Men? Men in robes? Men who are monks? Men who have tried it six ways to Sunday? Who are these experts that they can speak for everyone and for all time? I've been awakened more than once hearing someone having sex next door to my room. And I remember being liberated more than once after having sex, although the rope burns on my wrists smarted like hell. About Vajrayana yogas see Tsongkapa's explanation of each the six yogas of Naropa.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: And you are making the mistake of thinking that one school or book of tantra represents all tantra. There are many schools of tantra throughout India. I think sometimes it's time to leave the classroom. On 02/02/2014 02:46 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote: There is no such thing as Tantric Sex. Indian Tantra was transgressive in practice ... so coitus with a low-caste or non-caste woman was a one of the means for breaking the severe behavioral commandants and restrictions of Hindu life. Sex is life ... not Tantra. Tantra is the personal worship of the devâtma-shaktis and devyatma-shaktis that animate the cosmos.Tantric ritual is its yogic codification while the inner agni-hotra (antar-yaga) is the means. Since Western society is already suffused with sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, any Tantra practice based upon such praxis is not transgressive. It therefore lacks the added fuel to break boundaries. In Vajrayana yogas, the only value of a sexual partner (karma-madra) is to more quickly and more powerfully activate the prana-s and pull them into the spine's central channel. In fact, it is considered almost parallel to the withdrawal of the pranas into the spine at death. However, mere sexual enjoyment is tangential and is considered a type of falling-down back to the sense-powers. It is NOT considered either some kind of awakening nor is it considered liberating. About Vajrayana yogas see Tsongkapa's explanation of each the six yogas of Naropa.
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These are discussions about claims of tantric sex. No doubt, for you, it is the reverse of Vedanta. The rope you saw suddenly was recognized to be a snake. If you get my meaning. Some Shakti-s just love to be bound so they can be freed.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: These are discussions about claims of tantric sex. No doubt, for you, it is the reverse of Vedanta. The rope you saw suddenly was recognized to be a snake. If you get my meaning. Some Shakti-s just love to be bound so they can be freed. You got it. Liberation never felt so good...
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Mudra is a seal or secret hand gesture; an auspicious hand-sign used by yogis. [image: Inline image 1] A yogi displaying the secret hand sign - Tat Wallah Baba According to Saunders, a mudra is a seal, mark, or gesture; a symbolic or ritual gesture in Hinduism and Buddhism. While some mudras involve the entire body, most are performed with the hands and fingers. A mudra is a spiritual gesture and an energetic seal of authenticity employed in the iconography and spiritual practice of Indian religions. In Shankara Acharya's Dakshina-murti Stotram, Shankara advises that for our practice we should meditate on the South-Facing Form, that is, a north-facing posture of meditative devotion to the Glorious Presence. How, exactly, is this accomplished? Here are the directions for practicing transcendental meditation enumerated by the Adi Shankara Acharya: Devotion to that Glorious Presence, Infinite Instructor, Who, By means of the auspicious hand-sign, Makes clear to the worshippers His own real nature Always shining within as I, Following into all the successive states- And those beginning with waking. (Translation by Ernest Wood) The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is referred to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the I consciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, or Knowing That I know. The auspicious hand-sign meditation reminds us of the absolute truth, the circle made by the thumb and the forefinger is the symbol of unity - a space that is empty, yet full at the same time. It is the symbol of the one reality and for Shankara, the one-without-a-second. In this poem Shankara Acharya is advocating the yogic practice of yogic mudra and meditation on the formless Brahman by use of a secret hand-sign, the auspicious mudra being the mnemonic device par-excellence for yogis. SBS seems to agree with this, according to Raj Varma SBS was a siddha yogi. Notes: The mudra is a 'gesture of understanding' (cincihna); the thumb and index finger grasp a fine object as a a grain of truth. This is a symbol for spiritual understanding. http://www.buddhas-online.com/mudras.html Mudra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudra Works cited: 'The Glorious Presence' The Vedanta Philosophy Including Shankara's Ode to the South-Facing Form Quest Books, Theosophical Pub House, 1952 p. 129 Strange Facts About a Great Saint By Raj P. Varma Jabalpur, India 1980 Varma Sons Pub. p. 10 Other resources: 'The Illustrated Dictionary of Hindu Iconography' by Margaret Stutley Routledge Kegan Paul, 1985 'Mudra: A Study of Symbolic Gestures in Japanese Buddhist Sculpture' by E. Dale Saunders Princeton University Press, 1975. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: All About the Dandi Sanyasins [image: Inline image 1] SBS photographed with danda staff and water pot; sitting in padmaasana; displayng the gyan mudra. The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is refered to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the I conciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, or Knowing That I know.The auspicious hand-sign meditation reminds us of the absolute truth, the circle made by the thumb and the forefinger is the symbol of unity - a space that is empty, yet full at the same time. It is the symbol of the one reality and for Shankara, the one-without-a-second. He used to live only on germinated gram seeds mixed with a little bit of salt. He lived on a hillock in a small natural cave near a mountain pool. - Swami Rama Everyone knows that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati followed the Dasanmi order of the Adi Shankarcharya - SBS was of the Dandi sub-order in the Saraswati tradition - founded by Shankara. According to Oman, the Sanyasis, Dandis, Parmahmsas, Aghoris and the Yogis make up the great bulk of the ascetic sects, especally in Northern India. So, lets review the major ascetic sects in India. Saivas, or worshipers of Siva 1. Sanyasis - followers of Shankaracharya 2. Dandis - 3. Paramahamsas - 4. Brahmacharyis - 5. Lingyats - followers of Basava 6. Aghoris - 7. Yogis - Vaishnavas, or worshippers of Vushnu 1. Sri Vaishnavas - followres of Ramanujacharya 2. Madhvas - followers of Madhvacharya 3. Ramanandis - followers of Ramanand 4. Kabir Panthis - followers of Kabi 5. Ballavacharya - followers of Ballavacharya 6. Chaitanites -followers of Chaitanya Notes: The Dandi sect derives its name from the danda or staff, which each member is required to carry. A dandiwallah (fellow with the staff) should not be be settling down to rest in one single place for over one day and if so doing he must be planting the danta staff erect in the ground, hanging from a tree, or at all times being upright, never laying on the ground - the danda staff never takes a rest. The dandis do not worship Shiva, only their own danda. The dandis wear salmon-colored clothing, which is supposed to be dyed one time only. They are not supposed to be playing
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About Sadhus and Yogis
The usual half-baked information from the professor. You should try reading the Aghora series by Svaboda. Perhaps that might help you not embarrass your self so much.
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I've recommended that trilogy several times to the great pundito but it seemed to fall on blind eyes. And Svoboda is even of all things a Texan! Hart DeFouw used to give Robbie a hard time about that. :-D On 02/01/2014 01:59 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The usual half-baked information from the professor. You should try reading the Aghora series by Svaboda. Perhaps that might help you not embarrass your self so much.
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The pundito doesn't want to understand deeply and expansively. Rather he wants to appear knowledgeable and o-so erudite. Professor P-Dog apparently equates humility with humiliation. No other explanation for such repeated, intractable behavior.
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All About the Dandi Sanyasins [image: Inline image 1] SBS photographed with danda staff and water pot; sitting in padmaasana; displayng the gyan mudra. The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is refered to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the I conciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, or Knowing That I know.The auspicious hand-sign meditation reminds us of the absolute truth, the circle made by the thumb and the forefinger is the symbol of unity - a space that is empty, yet full at the same time. It is the symbol of the one reality and for Shankara, the one-without-a-second. He used to live only on germinated gram seeds mixed with a little bit of salt. He lived on a hillock in a small natural cave near a mountain pool. - Swami Rama Everyone knows that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati followed the Dasanmi order of the Adi Shankarcharya - SBS was of the Dandi sub-order in the Saraswati tradition - founded by Shankara. According to Oman, the Sanyasis, Dandis, Parmahmsas, Aghoris and the Yogis make up the great bulk of the ascetic sects, especally in Northern India. So, lets review the major ascetic sects in India. Saivas, or worshipers of Siva 1. Sanyasis - followers of Shankaracharya 2. Dandis - 3. Paramahamsas - 4. Brahmacharyis - 5. Lingyats - followers of Basava 6. Aghoris - 7. Yogis - Vaishnavas, or worshippers of Vushnu 1. Sri Vaishnavas - followres of Ramanujacharya 2. Madhvas - followers of Madhvacharya 3. Ramanandis - followers of Ramanand 4. Kabir Panthis - followers of Kabi 5. Ballavacharya - followers of Ballavacharya 6. Chaitanites -followers of Chaitanya Notes: The Dandi sect derives its name from the danda or staff, which each member is required to carry. A dandiwallah (fellow with the staff) should not be be settling down to rest in one single place for over one day and if so doing he must be planting the danta staff erect in the ground, hanging from a tree, or at all times being upright, never laying on the ground - the danda staff never takes a rest. The dandis do not worship Shiva, only their own danda. The dandis wear salmon-colored clothing, which is supposed to be dyed one time only. They are not supposed to be playing with fire or touching money or metal of any form. They procure good by begging a single meal per day at houses, but only if no smoke is detected; dandis are supposed to get food only after the entire family has taken their meal. Dandis as a rule bury their dead, or commit the body to some sacred river. Works cited: 'The Mystics, Ascetics, and Saints of India' by John Campbell Oman T. Fisher Unwin, 1905 pp. 160-162 Other titles of interest: 'An Outline ofthe Religious Literature of India' by J.N. Farquhar Oxford U. Press, 1920 'Obscure Religious Cults' by S. Das Gupta Firma KLM, 1976 'Naked They Pray' by Pearce Gervis Dell, 1957 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Siddhartha [image: Inline image 1] Siddhartha - A Film by Conrad Rooks http://youtu.be/t7xEcgkeLl4 Siddhartha is a film based on the novel of the same name by Hermann Hesse, directed by Conrad Rooks. It was shot on location in Northern India, and features work by noted cinematographer Sven Nykvist. The locations used for the film were the holy city of Rishikesh and the private estates and palaces of the Maharajah of Bharatpur. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_filmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_%28film%29 Siddhartha 1972 Directed by Conrad Rooks Written by Conrad Rooks Starring Shashi Kapoor, Simi Garewal, Romesh Sharma Music by Hemant Kumar Cinematography by Sven Nykvist Siddhartha Film: http://www.imdb.com/title/siddhartha/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070689/ Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse: In Hesse's novel, experience, the totality of conscious events of a human life, is shown as the best way to approach understanding of reality and attain enlightenment - Hesse's crafting of Siddhartha's journey shows that understanding is attained not through intellectual methods, nor through immersing oneself in the carnal pleasures of the world and the accompanying pain of samsara; however, it is the completeness of these experiences that allow Siddhartha to attain understanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_%28novel%29 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:48 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Rampuri interview about Kumbh Mela: http://rampuri.com/naga-baba-rampuri-interview-first-kumbh-mela/
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Rampuri interview about Kumbh Mela: http://rampuri.com/naga-baba-rampuri-interview-first-kumbh-mela/ http://rampuri.com/naga-baba-rampuri-interview-first-kumbh-mela/
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Siddhartha [image: Inline image 1] Siddhartha - A Film by Conrad Rooks http://youtu.be/t7xEcgkeLl4 Siddhartha is a film based on the novel of the same name by Hermann Hesse, directed by Conrad Rooks. It was shot on location in Northern India, and features work by noted cinematographer Sven Nykvist. The locations used for the film were the holy city of Rishikesh and the private estates and palaces of the Maharajah of Bharatpur. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_filmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_%28film%29 Siddhartha 1972 Directed by Conrad Rooks Written by Conrad Rooks Starring Shashi Kapoor, Simi Garewal, Romesh Sharma Music by Hemant Kumar Cinematography by Sven Nykvist Siddhartha Film: http://www.imdb.com/title/siddhartha/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070689/ Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse: In Hesse’s novel, experience, the totality of conscious events of a human life, is shown as the best way to approach understanding of reality and attain enlightenment – Hesse’s crafting of Siddhartha’s journey shows that understanding is attained not through intellectual methods, nor through immersing oneself in the carnal pleasures of the world and the accompanying pain of samsara; however, it is the completeness of these experiences that allow Siddhartha to attain understanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_%28novel%29 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:48 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Rampuri interview about Kumbh Mela: http://rampuri.com/naga-baba-rampuri-interview-first-kumbh-mela/
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Meditating for some time, one gets established permanently in the state of being. And then, wherever the mind goes one is established in that Self no matter what one does here or there; it doesn't matter when one is established in the Self. And, that state comes after some time from going deep inside and coming out. With this practice one gets established permanently in the Self, and then whatever you do you are not separate from the Self... - Tat Walah Baba, Rishikesh 1969 http://www.amazingabilities.com/chap5a.html [image: Inline image 3] Tat Wallah Baba - The Good Fellow of the Tat. The word yogin is derived from the same word, yoga, from yuj, a practitioner of yoga, according to historian Georg Feuerstein, in his great book 'The Yoga Tradition': may be a novice, an advanced student, or God or Self-Realized adept Not to be confused with the so-called 'sixty-four yoginis' of Indian mythology dating to the sixth century, who may or may not have been practicing yoga under the guise of ritual coitus 'maithuna' in Tantric tradition. However, there is sometimes a distinction made between the yogin and the 'samnyasin' (renouncer) and the 'jnanin (gnostic). [image: Inline image 2] He used to live only on germinated gram seeds mixed with a little bit of salt. He lived on a hillock in a small natural cave near a mountain pool. - Swami Rama Autobiography of a Blue-Eyed Yogi: In 1968, at the age of 18, I left my comfortable home in Beverly Hills fuelled by the naïve exuberance of the sixties and searching for truth. I was pulled deep into India, into an ancient order of yogis, into a mystery school not unlike Harry Potter's, where I was initiated and eventually possessed by a master shaman-yogi, a baba. I was the first foreigner ever initiated into the order of Naga Babas, and I am still there today. The world has changed a lot, perhaps gone upside down, and I never expected nor intended to become an elder in the order, nor a guru. I was taken into the Extraordinary World, where things work a bit differently than the Ordinary World, I was given some insights and revelations, and now I do my best to give blessings to those who come to me, and teachings to my students, some of whom are Indian Naga Babas, some are foreigners. - Rampuri [image: Inline image 4] Baba Rampuri, born William A. Gans (July 14, 1950), is a Sadhu (a Hindu monk), specifically, he claims to be the first westerner to become a Naga Sadhu, having converted in 1970. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Rampuri Foreigner Sadhus: http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/falang.html Works cited: Living With the Himalayan Masters by Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1999 p. 245 Other titles of interest: 'Autobiography of a Yogi' by Paramahansa Yogananda, Preface by W. Y. Evans-Wentz Self-Realization Fellowship, 1957 'Autobiography of a Sadhu: A Journey into Mystic India' by Rampuri Destiny Books, 2010 'The Yoga Tradition' It's History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice by Georg Feuerstein, Ph.D. Foreword by Ken Wilber Hohm Press, 1998 [image: Inline image 1] 'Naked They Pray' by Pearce Gervis Sloan and Pearce, 1956 'Obscure Religious Cults' by Shashibhusan Das Gupta Mukhopadhyay, 1962 'Gorakhnath Kanphata Yogis' by G. W. Briggs YMCA Pub. 1938 'Baba: Autobiography of a Blue-Eyed Yogi' by Rampuri Harmony/Bell Tower, 2005 'The Mystics, Ascetics,and Saints of India' by John Campbell Oman Unwin, 1905 'Sadhus: Holy Men of India' by Dolf Hartsuiker Thames Hudson, 1993 'The Sadhus of India: A Study of Hindu Asceticism' by Robert Lewis Gross Rawat Publications, 1992 'Western Sadhus and Sannyasins in India' by Marcus Allsop Hohm Press, 2000 Notes: Tat Wale Baba (PDF): by Vincent J. Daczynski http://mmy.klemke.de/ http://mmy.klemke.de/M206.pdf Tat Wale Baba: http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze6a.html Tat Wale Baba lectures to a 60's Teacher Training Course in India, and Maharishi translates. https://groups.yahoo.com/groups/FairfieldLife/168266https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/168266 The book begins with a thorough definition of yoga and then an overview, and then its inescapable conjoining with Hinduism. - Dennis Littrell Amazon reviews: http://tinyurl.com/c3luhp The Naga Sadhus of India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhu Kumbh Mela: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbh_Mela Sadhus, or Hindu holy men, participate in a ritualistic feast organized to mark the 13th day of the passing away of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, at his ashram, or meditation retreat, in Allahabad, India. http://www.daylife.com/photo/03cI9BW44yeBRT On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Hundreds of Naga Sadhus gathered in the compound of Maya Devi Temple, befoe going in a procession to take a holy dip in the ganges. ..Sadhus gather here and perform all kind of feats, to show off their warrior skills, with their weapons, which include sticks, tridents, swords and spears...Kumbh Mela,
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Hundreds of Naga Sadhus gathered in the compound of Maya Devi Temple, befoe going in a procession to take a holy dip in the ganges. ..Sadhus gather here and perform all kind of feats, to show off their warrior skills, with their weapons, which include sticks, tridents, swords and spears...Kumbh Mela, 2010, Haridwar, Uttarakhand... Naga sadhu procession 1998 Kumbh Mela: [image: Inline image 1] The Naga Sadhus of India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhu Kumbh Mela: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbh_Mela On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: According to the Sage Patanjali, Raja Yoga has nothing to do with 'union with the gods', but has everything to do with 'isolation from prakriti', that is, the 'cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff'. To Patanjali, the Royal Yoga is the attainment of freedom, based on the sheer willpower of the individual. The Sage Kapila said that success in attaining freedom from suffering is found in individual willpower to knowledge; individual freedom is not the result of any source of power outside one's own body-mind. It is obvious, to even a casual seeker, that the term 'god' and 'yoga' are contradictory. You can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. Now, if Sage Patanjali had intended for yoga aspirants to attain liberation by calling the out nickname of demi gods, he would have said so, would he not? Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through perfect discipline of the distinctions between them (YS 3.17). So, ask yourself 'who am I' and then look inside yourself for the answer, inside your own mind, and apply common sense and intelligence based on your own experience and reasoning. Now, having tested and known your Self by yourself, know such to be wise and true, not by mere speculation, hearsay or because you read it, overheard it or were told it, but because you, yourself, having known it, experienced it, and confirmed it, found it to be wise and true. So, let's review what we know: The origin of Buddhist and Hindu yogic and tantric practices is Shamanism, a tradition which came to India about 10,000 years ago. This tradition, called Sramana in Sanskrit, was revived by the historical Buddha who was called Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin in India. He advocated yoga and meditation which he equated with an eight-fold path, i.e. a systematic, verifiable, technique for self-culture. It should be obvious to even the casual seeker that Maharishi is a Buddhist, as we all are. Not for nothing is the Buddha depicted in Indian iconography as sitting underneath a rose apple tree with his eyes closed! The first writing in India appears on an Ashokan pillar at Sarnath, the Kalinga Edict. So popular was the Buddha in ancient India that he was drafted into the Hindu pantheon to become the ninth incarnation of Mahavishnu, one of four humans, not counting a dwarf! Why do you think the cow is now sacred in India? According to Swami Ageananda Bharati, it is clear that the Buddhist tantras preceded the Hindu tantras, and hence, yogic practices are tantric in nature, e.g. the non-Vedic practices such as yoga, mudra, dhyana, mantra, yantra, dharani, puja, pradakshina; and monasticisn, ahimsa, instruction by sutra, relic worship, edifice architecture, etc., etc. However, in original, pre-sectarian Buddhism there are no 'dieties'; Buddhism has no ontology, that is, a theory of the origin of the universe. Yogic practices and thus yogins, and yogic practice, is firmly rooted in the teachings of Shakya and the Sramanas such as Natatputra. According to the teachings of the Shakya, the 33 Gods, such as Lord Brahma, Prajapati, Mahavishnu, etc. may exist as mental mind-constructs, but they are not 'things-in-themselves', that is, the gods conceived by humans do not have their 'own nature', apart from and separate from prakriti and the five evolutes and the conditions set by the activity of the three gunas. The gods, if they exist, are subject to the same laws of karma as humans, and when their store of karma runs out they will experience rebirth just like you and I. According to the law of cause and effect, whatever goes up must come down - that is, human excrement always flows down stream - the second law of thermodynamics. The Shakya, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Nimbarka, Chaitanya, and Vallabah and Maharishi all agree on this. In contrast to the gods, a Yogin, that is, one who has attained Freedom and Immortality, has broken the chain that binds him or her to the law of karma:
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According to the Sage Patanjali, Raja Yoga has nothing to do with 'union with the gods', but has everything to do with 'isolation from prakriti', that is, the 'cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff'. To Patanjali, the Royal Yoga is the attainment of freedom, based on the sheer willpower of the individual. The Sage Kapila said that success in attaining freedom from suffering is found in individual willpower to knowledge; individual freedom is not the result of any source of power outside one's own body-mind. It is obvious, to even a casual seeker, that the term 'god' and 'yoga' are contradictory. You can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. Now, if Sage Patanjali had intended for yoga aspirants to attain liberation by calling the out nickname of demi gods, he would have said so, would he not? Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through perfect discipline of the distinctions between them (YS 3.17). So, ask yourself 'who am I' and then look inside yourself for the answer, inside your own mind, and apply common sense and intelligence based on your own experience and reasoning. Now, having tested and known your Self by yourself, know such to be wise and true, not by mere speculation, hearsay or because you read it, overheard it or were told it, but because you, yourself, having known it, experienced it, and confirmed it, found it to be wise and true. So, let's review what we know: The origin of Buddhist and Hindu yogic and tantric practices is Shamanism, a tradition which came to India about 10,000 years ago. This tradition, called Sramana in Sanskrit, was revived by the historical Buddha who was called Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin in India. He advocated yoga and meditation which he equated with an eight-fold path, i.e. a systematic, verifiable, technique for self-culture. It should be obvious to even the casual seeker that Maharishi is a Buddhist, as we all are. Not for nothing is the Buddha depicted in Indian iconography as sitting underneath a rose apple tree with his eyes closed! The first writing in India appears on an Ashokan pillar at Sarnath, the Kalinga Edict. So popular was the Buddha in ancient India that he was drafted into the Hindu pantheon to become the ninth incarnation of Mahavishnu, one of four humans, not counting a dwarf! Why do you think the cow is now sacred in India? According to Swami Ageananda Bharati, it is clear that the Buddhist tantras preceded the Hindu tantras, and hence, yogic practices are tantric in nature, e.g. the non-Vedic practices such as yoga, mudra, dhyana, mantra, yantra, dharani, puja, pradakshina; and monasticisn, ahimsa, instruction by sutra, relic worship, edifice architecture, etc., etc. However, in original, pre-sectarian Buddhism there are no 'dieties'; Buddhism has no ontology, that is, a theory of the origin of the universe. Yogic practices and thus yogins, and yogic practice, is firmly rooted in the teachings of Shakya and the Sramanas such as Natatputra. According to the teachings of the Shakya, the 33 Gods, such as Lord Brahma, Prajapati, Mahavishnu, etc. may exist as mental mind-constructs, but they are not 'things-in-themselves', that is, the gods conceived by humans do not have their 'own nature', apart from and separate from prakriti and the five evolutes and the conditions set by the activity of the three gunas. The gods, if they exist, are subject to the same laws of karma as humans, and when their store of karma runs out they will experience rebirth just like you and I. According to the law of cause and effect, whatever goes up must come down - that is, human excrement always flows down stream - the second law of thermodynamics. The Shakya, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Nimbarka, Chaitanya, and Vallabah and Maharishi all agree on this. In contrast to the gods, a Yogin, that is, one who has attained Freedom and Immortality, has broken the chain that binds him or her to the law of karma: a Yogin is free, liberated, that is, he has attained 'Moksha' and he is a fully realized master of his own Self. A Yogin is not bound by time, neither is he bound by the restrictions of caste or religious conventions. A Yogin, having mastered himself, by himself, does not see ritual acts as the saving grace, yet he acts, due to the propensities still functioning within his mortal coil. A Yogin is liberated while yet living, a 'jivan mukti'. Being liberated, a Yogin is not bound by the notion of duality, thinking, I do this, this is my body, this is my soul, this is my self... etc. Vajrayana and Yogacara Buddhist practices, and hence Hindu
