[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Interesting that DST is only used in Western, or Westernized, countries, vs. most of S. America, Asia, and Africa. As usual, we are obviously Far More Advanced - lol. I've read all the justification for it, and yet, the only benefit for DST seems to be a low cost way to experience jet-lag, without actually going anywhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour fall back morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Hospitals only record the generic TOB (i.e. when the attending nurses look to the clock). They don't have astrological thinking, so they look only for the general time (live birth was about 10:28 am). The one degree per six minutes effect doesn't doesn't exist for them ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour fall back morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Actually most countries in the tropics don't use it. That's because the sunrise and sunset don't change much throughout the year so it is superfluous for them. Russia did away with DST a couple years ago. However they just stayed on the old DST instead of going back to Standard Time. There are folks in the US who want that too. I've mentioned before that the Insurance Institute has found that accidents increase during the first two weeks of DST but there is no change when we go off DST. The US Chamber of Commerce loves DST because research shows that when there is that extra hour of daylight employees tend to stop off and shop after work. As I mentioned to Alex, techies want to do away with time zones altogether and just run on UTC. Makes sense because with the Internet we live in a global society. Time zones came into being with transcontinental railroads. Prior to that you had LAT (Local Actual Time) which was based on sun dial time. But that meant that time might change too much during the year (especially in more northern towns). So Local Mean Time replaced Local Actual Time. It's based on longitude. But then you would have different times among cities in the same state or country so they came up with standard time zones which worked better with the new travel venues. BTW, I also think that DST contributes to obesity because people suddenly are eating earlier than they are used to and hence putting on some pounds. On 11/03/2013 06:02 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Interesting that DST is only used in Western, or Westernized, countries, vs. most of S. America, Asia, and Africa. As usual, we are obviously Far More Advanced - lol. I've read all the justification for it, and yet, the only benefit for DST seems to be a low cost way to experience jet-lag, without actually going anywhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour fall back morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
In the US, back in the 1970s nurses lobbied for recording the time accurately supposedly because of the rising interest in astrology. However my bet is the hospital lawyers looked at it and saw possible legal consequences if the time wasn't recorded accurately so made it a policy. Hence my great nieces and nephews have accurate to the minute birth times not ones that say 7:30 PM or 2 AM. It's been said that back in the 40's and 50's in the smokin' old US the doctor would deliver a child take a smoke break and filled out the birth certificate, glanced at the clock on the wall and entered that time. So births may be off in those cases by several minutes. Of course in India a lot of older folks don't even know what year they were born. On 11/03/2013 06:03 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Hospitals only record the generic TOB (i.e. when the attending nurses look to the clock). They don't have astrological thinking, so they look only for the general time (live birth was about 10:28 am). The one degree per six minutes effect doesn't doesn't exist for them ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour fall back morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
I agree somewhat on rectifications of charts. A good test would be to give an astrologer a birth chart which has an accurate birth time and have them rectify. A really good astrologer might say I think the birth time given is accurate. I was blue baby at birth and since my birth certificate time makes me an early Libra due to my technical interests had some amateur astrologers believe I was a late Virgo. This is ALL jyotish mind you as I don't pay much heed to tropical astrology. However the pros said I wouldn't have an older sister (which I do) if I was a Virgo. The problem with many westerners in astrology (both tropical and jyotish) is they become too infatuated with minutia. I like to tell the story of Hart DeFouw putting up a chart in one of his classes and asking for an interpretation. He got all kinds of stuff back based on the nakashatras but what he wanted was a reading just based on the planetary positions. Another astrologer friend from India came to one of our study sessions and some folks in the group started asking questions about nakshatras etc. He paused for a moment and said, actually many successful Indian astrologers just use simple methods. Many amateur jyotishis forget that jyotish means science of light. Some think that planetary periods are binary. One minute you are in one dasha and the next minute another. But it's more like a fadeout and fade in. Same with infancy in old age in a chart. Planets don't become weak because they are going between houses and signs. Instead the meaning of that house and sign is waning (fading out) while the next sign is waxing (fading in). This gave mixed results for astrologers. Still I wager that astrology is far, far better than any WAG (Wild Ass Guess). There has been research into effects of births at different times of the year and even interest in researching births at certain times of the day. Of course OMG that might validate astrology. Bad astrologers give astrology a bad name not astrology itself. On 11/03/2013 08:47 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
hey Bhairitu, thank you so much for that idea of dashas fading in and out. Today I've gone from Mars Ketu to Mars Venus but actually I began feeling different about a week ago. So this is a way to understand that and it makes sense and, I've never heard it before! On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:08 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I agree somewhat on rectifications of charts. A good test would be to give an astrologer a birth chart which has an accurate birth time and have them rectify. A really good astrologer might say I think the birth time given is accurate. I was blue baby at birth and since my birth certificate time makes me an early Libra due to my technical interests had some amateur astrologers believe I was a late Virgo. This is ALL jyotish mind you as I don't pay much heed to tropical astrology. However the pros said I wouldn't have an older sister (which I do) if I was a Virgo. The problem with many westerners in astrology (both tropical and jyotish) is they become too infatuated with minutia. I like to tell the story of Hart DeFouw putting up a chart in one of his classes and asking for an interpretation. He got all kinds of stuff back based on the nakashatras but what he wanted was a reading just based on the planetary positions. Another astrologer friend from India came to one of our study sessions and some folks in the group started asking questions about nakshatras etc. He paused for a moment and said, actually many successful Indian astrologers just use simple methods. Many amateur jyotishis forget that jyotish means science of light. Some think that planetary periods are binary. One minute you are in one dasha and the next minute another. But it's more like a fadeout and fade in. Same with infancy in old age in a chart. Planets don't become weak because they are going between houses and signs. Instead the meaning of that house and sign is waning (fading out) while the next sign is waxing (fading in). This gave mixed results for astrologers. Still I wager that astrology is far, far better than any WAG (Wild Ass Guess). There has been research into effects of births at different times of the year and even interest in researching births at certain times of the day. Of course OMG that might validate astrology. Bad astrologers give astrology a bad name not astrology itself. On 11/03/2013 08:47 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
1948? Yep, I'm also officially an old bastard now too. Thus, you learn a few things along the way. That's why I only believe in not believing. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis...Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
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Well, Emily I admit that sometimes I write for the shock value. Glad I make you smile. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:21 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis...Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
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Oh, another excellent rationalization. Share struggled: Well, Emily I admit that sometimes I write for the shock value. Glad I make you smile. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:21 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis...Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do smile.
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Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis...Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. ...is so amusing to me. Speaking of mental spheres, I was never much good with a Rubik's Cube, intuitive, or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis...Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
