[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Looks like Share had it right... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Then *love* (not emotion, being watery) would be given over to the fire signs and the sun, yes? Here's a distinction between love and emotion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
wgm, thinking again about Jesus as a Pisces and being the embodiment of agape, it's interesting to me that Venus, airy in Libra and earthy in Taurus, is THE planet of love and exalted in Pisces, a watery sign. As for emotions, I think of Scorpio as deep emotions, like deep, still lakes. I think of Cancer as the flowing emotions, like rivers. And Pisces as expanded, more universal emotions, like the ocean. Fire signs I associate more with the level or action and will to action. But these are just my way of having fun with all this. I'm not a trained jyotishi. I think John has more formal knowledge about it. On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:55 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Then *love* (not emotion, being watery) would be given over to the fire signs and the sun, yes? Here's a distinction between love and emotion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Nicely put. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: wgm, thinking again about Jesus as a Pisces and being the embodiment of agape, it's interesting to me that Venus, airy in Libra and earthy in Taurus, is THE planet of love and exalted in Pisces, a watery sign. As for emotions, I think of Scorpio as deep emotions, like deep, still lakes. I think of Cancer as the flowing emotions, like rivers. And Pisces as expanded, more universal emotions, like the ocean. Fire signs I associate more with the level or action and will to action. But these are just my way of having fun with all this. I'm not a trained jyotishi. I think John has more formal knowledge about it. On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:55 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Then *love* (not emotion, being watery) would be given over to the fire signs and the sun, yes? Here's a distinction between love and emotion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
John, one tidbit I've heard about Pisces, which is my Moon sign, is that they contain qualities of all the previous 11 signs. They're very sensitive, picking up on the vibe of others and might need to be alone just to avoid overwhelm from that. On Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:01 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, An argument can be made for Pisces as the birth month of Jesus. Specifically, Pisces is a sign owned by Jupiter, the teacher of the gods. So, by analogy, Jesus was born as a teacher in this world during Kali Yuga. Also, since Pisces is the 7th house from Virgo, he is associated with a virgin, which in this case is Mary, his mother. Santos Bonacci, another astrologer, stated in his presentation that Pisces can be considered as the womb since the sign is watery. Bill Donohue, in the video clip, further pointed out that Pisces represents the disciples of Jesus, who were mostly fishermen, and were tasked to become the fishers of men. Lastly, Dohohue stated that Pisces represented the miracle that Jesus performed when he multiplied the fish and bread to feed the hungry followers during the Sermon on the Mount. There are many other points, but I'll cut if off here for brevity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, one theory I've heard is that Jesus was born with Sun in Pisces. Thus the fish symbol for Christianity and a bunch of other stuff which I no longer remember. I do think Jesus embodied that universal love that can be associated with Pisces. On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:51 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Which means your first point about Sagittarius and Capricorn is null and void. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I would tend to agree with you on this observation. From what I understand, it snows in Bethlehem during the winter months. So, it would not have been practical for the Romans to make the population travel to their tribal homes for a census. Also, astrologically, it can be justified that Jesus was born on September 21 or after, when the Sun is in its fall. Hence, he was born in a stable, a place unsuitable for a human being and for a future King. This would imply that Jesus was born as a Cancer ascendant in jyotish calculation. Why? Because the fourth house, meaning birth home, would be in Libra, the sign where the Sun is debilitated. Also, this ascendant would mean that the 10th house of career or accomplishment is in the sign of Aries, signifying the start of spring or rebirth from the death of the Sun during the winter months. Therefore, it is logical that Jesus would be known in history as the Redeemer who rose from the dead since the Sun (the symbol of Jesus) is exalted in Aries, the start of spring and the renewal of life here on earth. There is more to this subject. But I'll stop here for brevity. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
John, one theory I've heard is that Jesus was born with Sun in Pisces. Thus the fish symbol for Christianity and a bunch of other stuff which I no longer remember. I do think Jesus embodied that universal love that can be associated with Pisces. On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:51 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Share, An argument can be made for Pisces as the birth month of Jesus. Specifically, Pisces is a sign owned by Jupiter, the teacher of the gods. So, by analogy, Jesus was born as a teacher in this world during Kali Yuga. Also, since Pisces is the 7th house from Virgo, he is associated with a virgin, which in this case is Mary, his mother. Santos Bonacci, another astrologer, stated in his presentation that Pisces can be considered as the womb since the sign is watery. Bill Donohue, in the video clip, further pointed out that Pisces represents the disciples of Jesus, who were mostly fishermen, and were tasked to become the fishers of men. Lastly, Dohohue stated that Pisces represented the miracle that Jesus performed when he multiplied the fish and bread to feed the hungry followers during the Sermon on the Mount. There are many other points, but I'll cut if off here for brevity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, one theory I've heard is that Jesus was born with Sun in Pisces. Thus the fish symbol for Christianity and a bunch of other stuff which I no longer remember. I do think Jesus embodied that universal love that can be associated with Pisces. On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:51 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
