RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sundur Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students If you don't mind me asking, who might the we be. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. My wife and I. In fact, I was entertaining the idea, but she was adamantly opposed. Not because she’s pro-TM. She’s quite anti. She just felt I shouldn’t get involved in such an enterprise. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
Oh, okay. thanks. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sundur Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students If you don't mind me asking, who might the we be. From:Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. My wife and I. In fact, I was entertaining the idea, but she was adamantly opposed. Not because she’s pro-TM. She’s quite anti. She just felt I shouldn’t get involved in such an enterprise. .
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 2:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students Well first off, strict Maharishi true-believers dislike Rick in particular for having been a skin carrier I was never a “skin carrier”. Wanted to be but never was. then setting up and holding open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity about Maharishi and TM. Second they dislike Rick for opening up the larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the movement. They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and Maharishi. In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement community. Of course that all gets close to home for these few people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi. But the truth shall set you free. Did they miss that? So, yes their having a strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that holds them together. One ballistic missile that always gets an early launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find dirt. He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans to find dirt on Maharishi. That of course is a double dump as the Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they 'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans actively raking muck. In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL. The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. Is the fundamental assumption here that the “dirt” couldn’t be true and I’m evil for helping bring it to light, or that it might be true, but should remain hidden? Love, Joy, All Possibilities, Rick Of course it does not help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com , mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote: Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. _ From: Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
God Amighty! Tell the Kaplans I will be happy and delighted to take money form them to dig up dirt on the old geezer. Ironic Rick's detractors revile him for supposedly taking money to reveal the truth when marshy took money constantly for decades himself just to enrich himself. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students Well first off, strict Maharishi true-believers dislike Rick in particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity about Maharishi and TM. Second they dislike Rick for opening up the larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the movement. They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and Maharishi. In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement community. Of course that all gets close to home for these few people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi. So, yes their having a strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that holds them together. One ballistic missile that always gets an early launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find dirt. He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans to find dirt on Maharishi. That of course is a double dump as the Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they 'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans actively raking muck. In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL. Of course it does not help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students God Amighty! Tell the Kaplans I will be happy and delighted to take money form them to dig up dirt on the old geezer. Ironic Rick's detractors revile him for supposedly taking money to reveal the truth when marshy took money constantly for decades himself just to enrich himself. And gave money – possibly hush money – to at least one of the women.
RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
Wow, nice to get the full story. I guess it all makes sense from their perspective, except for the smearing of course. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students Well first off, strict Maharishi true-believers dislike Rick in particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity about Maharishi and TM. Second they dislike Rick for opening up the larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the movement. They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and Maharishi. In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement community. Of course that all gets close to home for these few people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi. So, yes their having a strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that holds them together. One ballistic missile that always gets an early launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find dirt. He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans to find dirt on Maharishi. That of course is a double dump as the Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they 'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans actively raking muck. In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL. Of course it does not help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. It always
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students
If you don't mind me asking, who might the we be. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com The Kaplans talked to me about hiring me to do this, but we declined. Is the fundamental assumption here that the “dirt” couldn’t be true and I’m evil for helping bring it to light, or that it might be true, but should remain hidden? .
