[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo

2013-11-27 Thread authfriend
I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search 
feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for 
him to lie with impunity 
 

 Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use 
for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to 
sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of 
rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his 
way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. 
He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster 
his fragile self-esteem.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Bhairitu wrote:
  
   Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures
 of
   what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that
   don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still
 hasn't
   shown up. Bad Yahoo!
 
  Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of
  Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact
 criteria
  for ARGUING.
 
  Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted
  lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is
  right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the
  kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up
 a
  bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is
  heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on
 that
  forum?
 
 Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good
 Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and
 contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!)
 forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been
 in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search
 function.
 
 The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And
 Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond,
 and on the whole within 24 hours any perceived affronts and
 disagreements are forgotten, and folks have moved on to the next Here
 And Now, In The Moment discussion.
 
 Fairfield Life is not like that, and I firmly believe it's because one
 person brought Living In An Eternal Past Of Grudges And
 Never-To-Be-Forgotten Affronts to FFL with her from
 alt.meditation.transcendental, where she ran the exact same routine for
 years. For her -- and for those who have sadly tried to emulate her in
 the time since -- the Search engine is a mechanism for Putting People
 Down or Putting Their Enemies 'In Their Place.'
 
 *She* doesn't like the Neo Search interface because it makes it harder
 for her *to* live in the past, and to do anything and everything she can
 think of to try to get other people to live there, too. *She* dives into
 the Yahoo Search function to try to get the people she doesn't like,
 and find something they said in the past that she can use to try to
 convince other posters to dislike them in the present.
 
 I think it's silly, and more than a little pathetic.
 
 Being somewhat of a long-winded writer myself, I am *not* fond of the
 real genesis of top posting, which is the belief that Twitter and
 Facebook and such media have trained people to have short attention
 spans, and thus *only* write short posts or replies. I still think there
 is a place for longer, well-considered posts. Or replies.
 
 What I *don't* think there is a place for is the petty, vindictive flame
 wars that seem to be de rigeur on many forums. promoted and encouraged
 by social misfits who seem to feel alive only when they've either
 enticed someone else into arguing with them, or enticed them into
 putting down someone they dislike.
 
 THAT -- the nastiness factor, and the pettiness factor -- is the aspect
 of FFL that people have been complaining about recently, far more than
 Neo and its shortcomings. Neo arrived at the same time that a few people
 regained the ability to spew their argumentative, ego-driven crap here
 non-stop. If Neo's limited Search capabilities have slowed that
 crap-flood down in any way, I say good for Neo.



[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo

2013-11-27 Thread authfriend
How about actually citing this interesting talk, Barry, so the rest of us can 
watch it? What's the name of this world's foremost expert in the field?
 

 Barry wrote:
 
  I watched an interesting talk the other day about how to tell when people 
  are lying, conducted by one of 
  the world's most foremost experts in the field. One of the most fascinating 
  tips was to watch how many 
  times the person being evaluated uses the words lie OR lying OR liar 
  to describe other people. 
 
The more often they do, the more likely that the person doing this is is 
himself or herself a chronic liar. 

Number of FFL posts in which Judy has used one or more of those words: 2672.

Try running that same search against other posters. *Any* other posters. 


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search 
 feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult 
 for him to lie with impunity 
 
 Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use 
 for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to 
 sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear 
 of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his 
 M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and 
 defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to 
 lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem. 

 



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo

2013-11-27 Thread Richard J. Williams
It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for prime 
time.


But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any 
replies I received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would 
probably do that. Most of my on-topic messages will go into the book I'm 
writing. I've also got a folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where I put 
most of the dumps on me from Judy. I probably haven't had a conversation 
with Judy for at least ten years. Go figure.


There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say 
to me since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I kinda 
liked what Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul comments 
concerning my birth circumstances, which is really funny, because 
apparently Barry is from Texas. Go figure.


One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post 
fibs, but what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - 
witness the recent  denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she 
posted about the TMer bija mantras not being the nick-names of the Hindu 
gods, although I quoted her verbatim from her own statements, along with 
the URL so everyone could go read it for themselves. Figure that one out!


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364

Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then 
she's hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the 
New Orleans Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I 
caught her fibbing about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 
1968. Judy will absolutely never admit that she made an error or 
repeated a fib, even when her own words are staring her in the face! A 
few days ago Judy even denied she was doing business from her home 
office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that Judy works from 
her home, she even said so in a previous post!


Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the 
territory if you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most people 
when they get caught making an error will at least dialog about it.


*Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get more 
details they can contact me directly. LoL!*


On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional 
Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's 
more difficult for him to lie with impunity



Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the 
only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's 
happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to 
lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this 
post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't 
lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate 
human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile 
self-esteem.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple
pictures

of

  what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those
that
  don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still

hasn't

  shown up. Bad Yahoo!

 Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it,
all of
 Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact

criteria

 for ARGUING.

 Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few
top-posted
 lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my
ego is
 right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the
 kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to
look up

a

 bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is
 heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on

that

 forum?

Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good
Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and
contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!)
forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been
in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search
function.

The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And
Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond,
and on the whole within 24 hours any perceived affronts and
disagreements are forgotten, and folks have moved on to the next Here
And Now, In The Moment discussion.

Fairfield Life is not like that, and I firmly believe it's because one
person brought Living In An Eternal Past Of Grudges And

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo

2013-11-27 Thread authfriend
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard 
seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for prime time. 
 
 But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any replies I 
received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would probably do that. Most 
of my on-topic messages will go into the book I'm writing. I've also got a 
folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where I put most of the dumps on me from 
Judy. I probably haven't had a conversation with Judy for at least ten years. 
Go figure.
 
 There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say to me 
since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I kinda liked what 
Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul comments concerning my birth 
circumstances, which is really funny, because apparently Barry is from Texas. 
Go figure.
 
 One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post fibs, but 
what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - witness the recent 
 denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she posted about the TMer bija 
mantras not being the nick-names of the Hindu gods, although I quoted her 
verbatim from her own statements, along with the URL so everyone could go read 
it for themselves. Figure that one out!
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364
 
 Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then she's 
hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the New Orleans 
Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I caught her fibbing 
about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 1968. Judy will absolutely 
never admit that she made an error or repeated a fib, even when her own words 
are staring her in the face! A few days ago Judy even denied she was doing 
business from her home office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that 
Judy works from her home, she even said so in a previous post!
 
 Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the territory if 
you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most people when they get caught 
making an error will at least dialog about it.
 
 Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get more 
details they can contact me directly. LoL!
 
 On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search 
feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for 
him to lie with impunity 
 
 
 Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use 
for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to 
sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of 
rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his 
way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. 
He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster 
his fragile self-esteem.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Bhairitu wrote:
  
   Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures
 of
   what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that
   don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still
 hasn't
   shown up. Bad Yahoo!
 
  Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of
  Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact
 criteria
  for ARGUING.
 
  Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted
  lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is
  right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the
  kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up
 a
  bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is
  heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on
 that
  forum?
 
 Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good
 Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and
 contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!)
 forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been
 in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search
 function.
 
 The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And
 Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond,
 and on the whole 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo

2013-11-27 Thread Richard J. Williams

Denial. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

On 11/27/2013 9:15 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes 
Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.*




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for 
prime time.


But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any 
replies I received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would 
probably do that. Most of my on-topic messages will go into the book 
I'm writing. I've also got a folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where 
I put most of the dumps on me from Judy. I probably haven't had a 
conversation with Judy for at least ten years. Go figure.


There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say 
to me since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I 
kinda liked what Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul 
comments concerning my birth circumstances, which is really funny, 
because apparently Barry is from Texas. Go figure.


One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post 
fibs, but what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - 
witness the recent denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she 
posted about the TMer bija mantras not being the nick-names of the 
Hindu gods, although I quoted her verbatim from her own statements, 
along with the URL so everyone could go read it for themselves. Figure 
that one out!


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364

Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then 
she's hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the 
New Orleans Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I 
caught her fibbing about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 
1968. Judy will absolutely never admit that she made an error or 
repeated a fib, even when her own words are staring her in the face! A 
few days ago Judy even denied she was doing business from her home 
office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that Judy works 
from her home, she even said so in a previous post!


Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the 
territory if you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most 
people when they get caught making an error will at least dialog about it.


*Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get 
more details they can contact me directly. LoL!*


On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional 
Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's 
more difficult for him to lie with impunity



Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the 
only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but 
he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able 
to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in 
this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he 
can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an 
inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his 
fragile self-esteem.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... 
mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple
pictures

of

  what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for
those that
  don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still

hasn't

  shown up. Bad Yahoo!

 Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it,
all of
 Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact

criteria

 for ARGUING.

 Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few
top-posted
 lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my
ego is
 right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that
require the
 kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to
look up

a

 bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is
 heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on

that

 forum?

Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good
Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and
contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!)
forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been
in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search
function.

The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums