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Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
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Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her theology that go way beyond the traditional take on her work.) Seraphita wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights.
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Re A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon.: Yes, I've been intending to read that. As you have given it the thumbs up, if it turns up in a second-hand bookshop I'll definitely grab it. It's out of print of course. (Beyond Theology was another Watts' book in this field but I found it a disappointment. Psychotherapy East and West is another title some people rave about but I found it pedestrian.) On a completely different topic: Alan Watts' The Joyous Cosmology (ghastly title!) is the best description of the LSD experience. It's even better than Huxley's classic Doors of Perception. Philosophy as poetry - and short and sweet. Check it out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
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We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6). It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree spirit. Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? Go figure. On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen?* *emptybill wrote:* Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin
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My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6). It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree spirit. Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? Go figure. On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen? emptybill wrote: Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin
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Because Ceasar Chavez hadn't come along yet, unless he was the snake in the tree. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6).It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree spirit.Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? Go figure.On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen? emptybill wrote: Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin
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Share wrote: My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? He means Eve's disobedience. (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.) Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? Did you read this part? ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no reason at all? The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.
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Seraphita wrote: Who is on those pictures, Daddy? He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, Oh, daddy, they love you so much! Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. If it's really all about affection who needed Christianity? People have been affectionate to their friends and family since time immemorial. And one can't be *affectionate* to one's enemies! Odd that you didn't quote the very next sentence: Love, in fact, is the heart and soul of the theology of the early Church Fathers and of the Orthodox Church (emphasis added). That would be God's infinite love and compassion, not ordinary human affection. The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his resurrection). You'll need to read the rest of the essay to understand what that distinction is all about. Your other points are something of a straw man where Eastern Christianity is concerned, as you'll find if you read the rest of the essay. No version of Christianity can be really consonant with TM metaphysics, but it appears to me that there are some elements of Eastern Christian theology that are more resonant with TM than those of Western theology. (emptybill, corrections/reflections solicited.) Here's the simple alternative. If you look at the basic Advaita-Vedanta outlook isn't it saying that there is in reality only One Self. It is only in appearance that there are many of us. If therefore any one individual sins we've all sinned as there is no difference between us *in reality*. One man slips up - Adam - and we all take a pratfall. No man is an island. But if you recognise that there is just the Self as the one actor how can any one man be guilty? - that is precisely to imagine oneself apart from the whole. The forgiveness of sins balances Original Sin.
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But Judy, earlier in the same paragraph with the Cyril quote Rev Hughes states: the Eastern Fathers assigned full responsibility for the sin in the Garden to Adam and Eve alone. So how is it a sin of one, I still wonder. On Friday, October 18, 2013 12:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? He means Eve's disobedience. (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.) Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? Did you read this part? ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no reason at all? The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.
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But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, says Rev Hughes in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the Orthodox Fathers. From this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the Orthodox Fathers is also a natural result of turning aside from God. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share wrote: My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? He means Eve's disobedience. (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.) Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? Did you read this part? ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no reason at all? The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.
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The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? On 10/18/2013 10:48 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Because Ceasar Chavez hadn't come along yet, unless he was the snake in the tree. *From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6).It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree spirit.Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? Go figure.On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen?* *emptybill wrote:* Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin
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Share wrote: But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, says Rev Hughes in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the Orthodox Fathers. From this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the Orthodox Fathers is also a natural result of turning aside from God. Well, you just go right ahead and extrapolate your little brains out, OK? Share wrote: My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? He means Eve's disobedience. (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.) Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? Did you read this part? ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no reason at all? The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.
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One can see how others might see this or that without necessarily going along with it oneself, especially when it comes to what Christ realized and taught, given that we have no historical record of same. Plus which, any exposition of nondualism in plain speech is automatically highly suspect, words being, you know, dualistic. And when you find yourself talking about Advaita positions, things get really dicey. Oh, and the doctrine of ex nihilo is a whole lot older than modern Christianity. Seraphita wrote: Re The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his Resurrection).: Yep - and I'm making a distinction between what Christ himself realised and taught and what the Church (east and west) later came to teach. Jesus *obviously* saw the truth of the Advaita position - I and My Father Are One - and once you see that you also see that Original Sin and the Forgiveness of Sins are two sides of the same coin - that there is One Self (Christ Consciousness) which each of us is at root. The reason modern Christians can't acknowledge that blindingly obvious fact is that they have to maintain the fiction that each soul was created ex nihilo. Only what isn't created is eternal. And what is eternal is the One Self. Read the Gospel accounts and you have to really work overtime not to see what Jesus was pointing to! The theological argy-bargy in the linked article isn't a problem IF you see that it is expressing in mythological terms what the non-dualists set out in plain speech. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Seraphita wrote: Who is on those pictures, Daddy? He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, Oh, daddy, they love you so much! Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. If it's really all about affection who needed Christianity? People have been affectionate to their friends and family since time immemorial. And one can't be *affectionate* to one's enemies! Odd that you didn't quote the very next sentence: Love, in fact, is the heart and soul of the theology of the early Church Fathers and of the Orthodox Church (emphasis added). That would be God's infinite love and compassion, not ordinary human affection. The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his resurrection). You'll need to read the rest of the essay to understand what that distinction is all about. Your other points are something of a straw man where Eastern Christianity is concerned, as you'll find if you read the rest of the essay. No version of Christianity can be really consonant with TM metaphysics, but it appears to me that there are some elements of Eastern Christian theology that are more resonant with TM than those of Western theology. (emptybill, corrections/reflections solicited.) Here's the simple alternative. If you look at the basic Advaita-Vedanta outlook isn't it saying that there is in reality only One Self. It is only in appearance that there are many of us. If therefore any one individual sins we've all sinned as there is no difference between us *in reality*. One man slips up - Adam - and we all take a pratfall. No man is an island. But if you recognise that there is just the Self as the one actor how can any one man be guilty? - that is precisely to imagine oneself apart from the whole. The forgiveness of sins balances Original Sin.
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Dateline: Pope is “Filled with light.” That is good and really mystical. Pope Frances experienced the field of “glow”, of that Unified Field in nature. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi talked [taught] of that as he came out of India to the West. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: can you ask them to compare and contrast the two and get back to us? On Mon, 10/14/13, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:36 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace. Many of my closest six or seven friends moved to Colorado and spent vast amounts of time around Father Thomas Keating in the Benedictine monastery in Snowmass. It is an extraordinary place and Thomas Keating is equally as special. These were my friends 'recovering' from their time around WTS and the trauma they experienced in the last few months in Victoria especially. These are also people who, I believe, reject TM absolutely and yet adopted and practiced and embraced centering prayer. They would probably have an interesting perspective on the differences or similarities of the two practices since most of them did TM for many years and more currently have been practicing centering prayer for probably even more years (25 or more).
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empty, are you saying Pennington was a TM teacher? That was my understanding, but I didn't know whether it was correct, so I didn't mention it in my comments. How about Keating? emptybill wrote: I had a long time friend who was a TM teacher in Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore in the mid-70's who talked with Basil Pennington on ATR.
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Well, at least he uses Christian sacred words rather than the Sanskrit mantras the devil prefers... On a different topic, I'd be interested to know more about what you said regarding Augustine and real Christianity, if you have the time and inclination. Where did Augustine go wrong? emptybill wrote: Judy, I remember asking the same question to my friend as he repeated the conversation. He said I guess he was a TM teacher because you had to be one to be there on course. Mm ... a TM teacher. If Basil is worse than a fallen Catholic then he must be a devil worshiper!
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Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen? emptybill wrote: Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin
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BTW, Buck, before you go off on one of your Fascist Gotta silence these neganauts on FFL rants, I am *not* saying that the world would not benefit if more people learned to meditate. I'm saying that I don't think that TM has a snowball's chance in hell of being the form of meditation they learn. It just drags along with it too much baggage at this point, caused by the crass commercialism, the fake (or, at best, self-serving and exaggerated) research that's been used to sell it, the haughty and superior attitude of those teaching it, the incredibly bad taste left in everyone's mouth by it being so hideously overpriced for so long, the add-on- baggage of Ayurveda, S-V, yagyas, pundits and the (in the eyes of most people in the world) laughable sidhis. Then there's the all-important hipness factor. TM is about as hip as 45rpm records. Ask around at any gathering of people interested in meditation, and see what they think of TM and TMers. Price too high? You couldn't *pay* many people enough to entice them to learn TM, it has such a reputation for being low-rent and uncool. What is needed is a non-religious (TM is anything but), secular practice with no Hindu trappings and no allegiances to any long-standing Eastern religious culture, taught for free or for a maximum of $25, in one weekend, and with no attempt to rope people who learn it into any kind of organization or into taking any kind of advanced add-on courses. That can -- and will -- never happen with TM. In the spiritual marketplace of the future, it's deader than Maharishi. Just my opinion... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: There is the problem again. Better get on the stick and price TM so regular people can afford to try it. TM is going to get left deep in the dust if they don't get going really soon... Doug, with all due respect, that happened (TM being left in the dust) decades ago. The *only* people on earth who don't understand this are the TM dinosaurs who are still so convinced of their own superiority that they still believe they're part of something viable.
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I absolutely agree with what you are saying. In addition to the factors you mention, there is also the track record the Movement has created both amongst the long time practitioners of TM and the general public. One learns, if one does TM for any length of time and associates with the people who run the Movement and the Movement facilities, one will get screwed - the leaders and managers of the Movement just do not behave very well at all, certainly not like people who have mastered friendliness, happiness and compassion. The Movement has also demonstrated many, many times its unwillingness to work on common projects such as ayurveda with others who are not part of the Movement unless everyone gets on board with TM and the Movement gets to run the agenda - in other words for this example, the other folks like Vasant Lads people would cease to practice ayurveda and begin to promote Marshy Ayurveda. But I suppose that is included in their general arrogance and uncaring attitude toward what anyone else needs or wants. And lastly the Movement has demonstrated time and time again it cannot be trusted and its methods of attempting to work with people and organizations outside the Movement typically runs along the lines of the other organization or people put up all the money, take all the financial risk, the Movement gets at least half the profits and all the praise and even then it is typical of the Movement to bail out on a project when its incomplete, leaving everyone else holding the bag. For these and the reasons Barry stated the TM deal will never catch on in public awareness ever again no matter how many celebrities David Lynch parades across the television screen stumping for TM. Those like David who wish with all their hearts the general public would embrace TM and esp. TMSP should take the advice I gave a long time ago - break completely away form the Movement , distance yourself from Marshy and start fresh. Teach people without all the baggage - that MIGHT work, maybe. On Mon, 10/14/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:26 AM BTW, Buck, before you go off on one of your Fascist Gotta silence these neganauts on FFL rants, I am *not* saying that the world would not benefit if more people learned to meditate. I'm saying that I don't think that TM has a snowball's chance in hell of being the form of meditation they learn. It just drags along with it too much baggage at this point, caused by the crass commercialism, the fake (or, at best, self-serving and exaggerated) research that's been used to sell it, the haughty and superior attitude of those teaching it, the incredibly bad taste left in everyone's mouth by it being so hideously overpriced for so long, the add-on- baggage of Ayurveda, S-V, yagyas, pundits and the (in the eyes of most people in the world) laughable sidhis. Then there's the all-important hipness factor. TM is about as hip as 45rpm records. Ask around at any gathering of people interested in meditation, and see what they think of TM and TMers. Price too high? You couldn't *pay* many people enough to entice them to learn TM, it has such a reputation for being low-rent and uncool. What is needed is a non-religious (TM is anything but), secular practice with no Hindu trappings and no allegiances to any long-standing Eastern religious culture, taught for free or for a maximum of $25, in one weekend, and with no attempt to rope people who learn it into any kind of organization or into taking any kind of advanced add-on courses. That can -- and will -- never happen with TM. In the spiritual marketplace of the future, it's deader than Maharishi. Just my opinion... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: There is the problem again. Better get on the stick and price TM so regular people can afford to try it. TM is going to get left deep in the dust if they don't get going really soon... Doug, with all due respect, that happened (TM being left in the dust) decades ago. The *only* people on earth who don't understand this are the TM dinosaurs who are still so convinced of their own superiority that they still believe they're part of something viable.
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Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
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“Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970’s by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph’s Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts.” http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
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So, it's all about Willytex. Go figure. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer *[from Transcendental Meditation]* in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.comwrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
can you ask them to compare and contrast the two and get back to us? On Mon, 10/14/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:36 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace. Many of my closest six or seven friends moved to Colorado and spent vast amounts of time around Father Thomas Keating in the Benedictine monastery in Snowmass. It is an extraordinary place and Thomas Keating is equally as special. These were my friends 'recovering' from their time around WTS and the trauma they experienced in the last few months in Victoria especially. These are also people who, I believe, reject TM absolutely and yet adopted and practiced and embraced centering prayer. They would probably have an interesting perspective on the differences or similarities of the two practices since most of them did TM for many years and more currently have been practicing centering prayer for probably even more years (25 or more).
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and WTS refers to? On Mon, 10/14/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:36 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace. Many of my closest six or seven friends moved to Colorado and spent vast amounts of time around Father Thomas Keating in the Benedictine monastery in Snowmass. It is an extraordinary place and Thomas Keating is equally as special. These were my friends 'recovering' from their time around WTS and the trauma they experienced in the last few months in Victoria especially. These are also people who, I believe, reject TM absolutely and yet adopted and practiced and embraced centering prayer. They would probably have an interesting perspective on the differences or similarities of the two practices since most of them did TM for many years and more currently have been practicing centering prayer for probably even more years (25 or more).
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
You mean the biter was bit? The pot got called black by the kettle? The crooks were hoist on their own petard? Caught in a cleft stick of their own cutting? The rip off artists got ripped off? Karma came home to roost? On Mon, 10/14/13, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 4:24 PM Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer [from Transcendental Meditation] in the 1970's by three Trappist monks - Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts. http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/Page_2.html I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome I'll confirm that the assumption among TMers that these three clerics' version of Centering Prayer was based on TM was current back in the late 1970s. It isn't something Buck made up. Photocopies of the chapter entitled TM and Centering Prayer from Pennington's 1977 book Daily We Touch Him were routinely passed around among TMers. Moreover, if Barry had any curiosity at all, or any desire to get his facts straight, he would have checked out the PDF that Xeno uploaded. It would be extremely difficult for anyone familiar with TM instruction to read those two pages on how to do Centering Prayer and claim that it had nothing to do with TM. It's obvious that the clerics did indeed rip off the instructions for TM, just as Buck says above. The mechanics of the techniques are virtually identical. The only two significant differences are (1) that TM uses a teacher-assigned Sanskrit mantra, whereas Centering Prayer uses a self-chosen sacred word from the Christian tradition; and (2) that the explicit context of Centering Prayer is Christian, whereas TM's is either secular, religious/nondenominational, or Hindu, depending on one's approach. --The Corrector Barry wrote: (snip) I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
And that's the truth. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome I'll confirm that the assumption among TMers that these three clerics' version of Centering Prayer was based on TM was current back in the late 1970s. It isn't something Buck made up. Photocopies of the chapter entitled TM and Centering Prayer from Pennington's 1977 book Daily We Touch Him were routinely passed around among TMers. Moreover, if Barry had any curiosity at all, or any desire to get his facts straight, he would have checked out the PDF that Xeno uploaded. It would be extremely difficult for anyone familiar with TM instruction to read those two pages on how to do Centering Prayer and claim that it had nothing to do with TM. It's obvious that the clerics did indeed rip off the instructions for TM, just as Buck says above. The mechanics of the techniques are virtually identical. The only two significant differences are (1) that TM uses a teacher-assigned Sanskrit mantra, whereas Centering Prayer uses a self-chosen sacred word from the Christian tradition; and (2) that the explicit context of Centering Prayer is Christian, whereas TM's is either secular, religious/nondenominational, or Hindu, depending on one's approach. --The Corrector Barry wrote: (snip) I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
Minor correction. I wrote: Photocopies of the chapter entitled TM and Centering Prayer from Pennington's 1977 book Daily We Touch Him were routinely passed around among TMers. The chapter title was TM and Christian Prayer, but it was about Centering Prayer specifically. BTW, Centering Prayer, even as taught by Catholic monks and priests, tends to be viewed with alarm by more doctrinaire Catholics because of its close association with Eastern meditation techniques and especially with TM.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique
And that's the truth. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer Massachusetts. I know, I was there and watched them rip Transcendental Meditation [TM] off for their own purposes. -Buck in the Dome I'll confirm that the assumption among TMers that these three clerics' version of Centering Prayer was based on TM was current back in the late 1970s. It isn't something Buck made up. Photocopies of the chapter entitled TM and Centering Prayer from Pennington's 1977 book Daily We Touch Him were routinely passed around among TMers. Moreover, if Barry had any curiosity at all, or any desire to get his facts straight, he would have checked out the PDF that Xeno uploaded. It would be extremely difficult for anyone familiar with TM instruction to read those two pages on how to do Centering Prayer and claim that it had nothing to do with TM. It's obvious that the clerics did indeed rip off the instructions for TM, just as Buck says above. The mechanics of the techniques are virtually identical. The only two significant differences are (1) that TM uses a teacher-assigned Sanskrit mantra, whereas Centering Prayer uses a self-chosen sacred word from the Christian tradition; and (2) that the explicit context of Centering Prayer is Christian, whereas TM's is either secular, religious/nondenominational, or Hindu, depending on one's approach. --The Corrector Barry wrote: (snip) I think we all know that The Corrector will probably rip Buck a new asshole for running this tired and intentionally misleading routine again, but just on the off chance that she doesn't, I will. The bolded section in brackets above comes only from Buck's fevered imagination. Anyone who reads the rest of the descriptions on that page knows that it has nothing to do with TM. Buck's as bad as Willytex at making shit up and presenting it as fact.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique
I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique
Oh, snap. Barry isn't feeling so hot this morning. Barry wrote: (snip) If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique
If you are implying that effortless meditation is unique to TM, it isn't. On 10/13/2013 07:32 AM, sri...@ymail.com wrote: I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html
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Do a Google search for “Contemplative Outreach”. The odds are much greater the modern Sancta Sedes practices “Centering Prayer” as widely taught by his church. It is now a huge meditation movement that dwarfs the other trademarked version we are familiar with in the marketplace of meditations. http://www.centeringprayer.com/ http://www.centeringprayer.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If you are implying that effortless meditation is unique to TM, it isn't. On 10/13/2013 07:32 AM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html
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Heck, everybody is offering instruction in effortless “Centering Prayer” meditation; protestants, catholics, jews, even methodists; http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Do a Google search for “Contemplative Outreach”. The odds are much greater the modern Sancta Sedes practices “Centering Prayer” as widely taught by his church. It is now a huge meditation movement that dwarfs the other trademarked version we are familiar with in the marketplace of meditations. http://www.centeringprayer.com/ http://www.centeringprayer.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If you are implying that effortless meditation is unique to TM, it isn't. On 10/13/2013 07:32 AM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Seems to be a lot of group Meissner Effect [ME] group meditations most everywhere now when you start looking. Even in Pittsburgh! http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/ http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Our organization is nondenominational and all are welcome to attend our prayer groups. Our mission is to help churches and parishes, schools and places of prayer establish a Centering Prayer Program ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Heck, everybody is offering instruction in effortless “Centering Prayer” meditation; protestants, catholics, jews, even methodists; http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Do a Google search for “Contemplative Outreach”. The odds are much greater the modern Sancta Sedes practices “Centering Prayer” as widely taught by his church. It is now a huge meditation movement that dwarfs the other trademarked version we are familiar with in the marketplace of meditations. http://www.centeringprayer.com/ http://www.centeringprayer.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If you are implying that effortless meditation is unique to TM, it isn't. On 10/13/2013 07:32 AM, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html