Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. It always surprises me when I hear that. I heard Wally DeVasier reacts that way. I’ll have to ask him why next time I run into him. Is it FFL, which I set up but am hardly involved with? Is free speech really that reprehensible? I think it’s healthy. Is it Batgap – through which I might be seen as “promoting other teachers”? I think it’s healthy for people to realize that there are numerous channels of spirituality around the world, and that their way is not the only way, or even necessarily the best way. May be best for them, but different strokes for different folks, as Sly sang. Is it my Amma involvement? I’ll have to ask. Inquiring minds want to know. Buck, maybe you can ask for me next time one of your friends goes ballistic. Please do, and let me know. Don’t just post it here, as I may miss it.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
then don't bitch when the Dome numbers are low because they won't let folks like Rick in From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. It always surprises me when I hear that. I heard Wally DeVasier reacts that way. Iâll have to ask him why next time I run into him. Is it FFL, which I set up but am hardly involved with? Is free speech really that reprehensible? I think itâs healthy. Is it Batgap â through which I might be seen as âpromoting other teachersâ? I think itâs healthy for people to realize that there are numerous channels of spirituality around the world, and that their way is not the only way, or even necessarily the best way. May be best for them, but different strokes for different folks, as Sly sang. Is it my Amma involvement? Iâll have to ask. Inquiring minds want to know. Buck, maybe you can ask for me next time one of your friends goes ballistic. Please do, and let me know. Donât just post it here, as I may miss it.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
Well Buck, those potential stringer uppers are idiots IMHO. It's great to have a place where people can really speak their minds. Otherwise how can any progress happen? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 7:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students NOw, Rick here on the other hand, some would really love to string-up for hosting such a negative Maharishi and TM site as FFL. You should hear the explication some of the real tru-believers utter about Rick Archer. In process Rick probably could not git back in for the Dome meditation. Though Rick is working moderating a discussion with John Hagelin this month at a West Coast conference. As meditators, we all git along by choice. -Buck in the Dome John Hagelin and Rick Archer are both out at the Science and Nonduality Conference this week. John Hagelin is a presenter and Rick Archer is moderating sessions. http://www.scienceandnonduality.com/program_schedule.shtml --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The anti-force... Nablusoss writes: [paste] Maharishi Knew very well the anti-forces he was up against in His life task of fulfilling Guru Dev's wish for a transformation of life on earth. I know Maharishi was surprised that some of his western disciples were so decisive and energetic in their eager to serve what Benjamin Creme calls: the The Forces of Matter or darkness, tamas. It puzzled Him a great deal to see that western students so easily would no longer serve Guru Dev but would rather serve the $ and a narrow-minded idea of a nation. If you hereby assume that my take is that Rick Archer has betrayed his own future you are absolutely correct. [-Nab] The 'anti-force'? Well, generally it does appear there is some resistance to TM out there sort of like al qaeda may be organized and fanatical. Not necessarily affiliated or coordinated other than some Christians may have used TM to scape-goat and go after for their own purposes with their own followers. That always works for demigods.But there evidently is an obsessed opposition to the belief that there is value in practicing meditation and TM in particular. Though not necessarily anti- I feel Rick is in spiritual fact interested in traditions of truth. In fact I feel he is a millenarian and revolutionary like so many of us broadly in TM and as such a patriot for the holy traditions of truth. Nothing he has brought up over the years can not be answered by truth. In ways he has been very useful in his ability to ask questions and lead people in discussions. In the days with Maharishi there were two people who could capably get to the microphone to ask questions of Maharishi and lead Maharishi to fabulous discourse. Harry Pavelka was one and Rick Archer was the other. Some of the best and most spiritual footage of Maharishi recorded in the tape archives is with either of these two guys at the microphone asking a series of questions. My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. I would hope someday that there could be a peace and reconciliation come between these ultra hard-core either way around this and life could go on as in the Garden of Eden once again for everyone around spirituality. âAll I am saying is give peace a chanceâ, -Buck in the Dome
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. It always surprises me when I hear that. I heard Wally DeVasier reacts that way. I’ll have to ask him why next time I run into him. Is it FFL, which I set up but am hardly involved with? Is free speech really that reprehensible? I think it’s healthy. Is it Batgap – through which I might be seen as “promoting other teachers”? I think it’s healthy for people to realize that there are numerous channels of spirituality around the world, and that their way is not the only way, or even necessarily the best way. May be best for them, but different strokes for different folks, as Sly sang. Is it my Amma involvement? I’ll have to ask. Inquiring minds want to know. Buck, maybe you can ask for me next time one of your friends goes ballistic. Please do, and let me know. Don’t just post it here, as I may miss it.
RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bobpri...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students Buck, whatever happened to the Natural Tendency; I still sing their Maharishi tune to my Jack Russell when world events are making us a bit blue: Rick Stanley is here in town. He plays and makes Celtic harps: http://www.celticharps.com/ Paul and Josie Fauerso moved back to San Antonio. http://old.faluninfo.net/DisplayAnArticlePrint.asp?ID=7488
