Remember the bible is full of the instruction to "repent" which comes from the Greek "metanoia" meta, to go beyond, nous , the mind. The best current English translation is "transcend"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --This is not my idea of who Jesus was. > > The trouble with spouting doctrine, or dogma, written from the > Greek > > and Latin, and melting down through time, by Religious Dictator, > > Ceasears, Emperors, Politicians(like Bush&Co,), is that it is all > > about control, and black and white. > > These doctrines leave no room for questioning, which is how Jesus > > taught. Funny how Jesus is always portrayed in the movies,. as > > though he is some great Roman Orator. Ridiculous. > > If you know what the reality of being with Jesus was like, and the > > two dimentional view you get through this dogma, like Maharishi > > says, Knowledge in the book, stays in the book. > > And also, Knowledge in Structured in Consciousness. > > As far as the Mantras are concerned, all you need to know is that > > they are sounds which have been used for thousands of years to > > Transcend, and Experience the "Kingdom of Heaven Within" as Jesus > > recommended we do. > > Jesus also recommended and suggested that his Disciples perform > the > > miracles he told them were possible, and heal people through true > > spiritual power. > > The same kind of spiritual power, like healing and using herbs, > that > > thousand of innocent people, where burned alive in public, by the > > Dogma of the Church, being used then as it is now, to divide and > > conquer, and keep humanity in the demonic grip of lies, and > > deceptions. > > So, take you Jesus Christ and keep him to yourself. Take your > dogma > > and talk to other parrots like yourself, to you all can > congratulate > > yourselves, that you are on the path, and no one else, who doesn't > > believe like you, could possibly be making spiritual progress. > > This attitude in it's other manifestation, was at the root of so > > many holocausts throughout time. > > The Higher Power, is something you have to discover for yourself? > > It is not something that is contained in a book or in a concept. > > The only way to experience God, is to become One with God, like > > Jesus suggested. > > His prayer goes like this: "Our Father who art in Heaven." > > My Father in Heaven, Jesus' Father in Heaven, are the same Father. > > And as Jesus suggested: Seek ye for that Father within. > > Maharishi has provided and invaluable tool for going within, and > > finding the God who is within us, and like the Ancient Jewish > > people, like Jesus knows, God is beyond any name or form. > > He (SHE) is Transcendental. > > Further: > > This idea that 'I am the way, the truth, and the light, and no one > get's into Heaven unless I say so... > This is exactly the same attitude the Roman's had toward the Jews of > the time; > That they must bow to Caesar, and worship him as a god; and the Jews > refused to do that, which eventually led to the Roman Holocaust, of > that period and the dispersal of the Jews and many Jews of the time > who believed in the teachings of Jesus. > Like Maharsihi, or any true Holy man, Jesus, did not want people to > worship him; > Instead he wanted them to rise in consciousness, just as Maharishi, > or any other Awakened One, attempts to do. > The religion which is institutionalized as Chrisitanity, is more a > political doctrine, based in Roman, and European attitudes, > traditions, and abuses of power. > > > > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: kjdruhl > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:40 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM and Christianity: PBS feature > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > let me just answer to some of your points: > > > > > > On the issue of Christ being the only way: > > > > > > That is not my "true believer's" idea, but it is what Christ is > > > teaching. It is not matter of "my way" or "your way", it is a > > matter > > > of God's way or man's way. Man's way does not work, never, no > > matter > > > what it is. The gulf between God and man is so great that only > God > > > can bridge it. And He did. > > > > > > Christ not only said that He is the way the truth and the life > > > (He "is", not He "knows"), He was also very outspoken about > others > > > making such claims. He said they were thieves and robbers. He > also > > > said that unless I partake of His nature, I have no life in > > myself, > > > that without Him I can do nothing, and so on. He said that He > came > > > to save the world, not to condemn it. He implored people to come > > to > > > Him, and allow Him to carry their burdens. But He also said that > > in > > > the end He would judge everyone. Very clear words, they leave no > > > doubt about what He was talking about; that is if you care to > read > > > them. > > > > > > Now did He really say all this? This question actually came up > > > immediately after His resurrection and final ascent, as certain > > > people were trying to muddy the waters. Peter and John address > it > > in > > > their apostolic letters to the churches, and make a strong point > > > that they were eye witnesses of all that happened, and of what > He > > > said. They also fully support and authenticate the teachings of > > > Paul, who received direct revelation from Christ. > > > > > > Now Peter and John certainly understood what Jesus was saying, > and > > > they rendered it in Koine Greek, in the gospels and in their > > > letters. Koine Greek was the commonly shared language of the > time, > > > very much as English is today, so the translation of these > > > scriptures is fairly well established. Recent discoveries of > Greek > > > manuscripts from that period confirm that the Greek words in the > > > Bible were used in their commonly accepted meanings. > > > > > > Sparaig made the point how could a simple natural relaxation > > > technique prevent me from receiving from God. Well, obviously it > > > couldn't. But TM is not a simple natural relaxation technique, > far > > > from it. The TM mantras are seed mantras (bhijas) which > establish > > a > > > connection between the presiding spirit and the practitioner. > That > > > is not superstition, but it is the spiritual reality. > > > > > > TM is based on the release of spiritual power. If it would be > just > > > matter of keeping the mind restful and alert, why the > instruction > > to > > > come immediately back to the mantra, once there is awareness of > no > > > mantra no thought? Why then is it so important to select the > > mantra > > > carefully? Why do these supposedly "meaningless" words have such > > > powerful influence? No, let us realize that what Maharishi is > > > bringing out now is much closer to the truth than what is taught > > in > > > the intro lecture. Don't we all know that the true content of > the > > > teaching is spoonfed, one little bit after the other, until you > > have > > > embraced spiritual concepts and practices that you would have > > never > > > entered into before. > > > > > > If you want to embrace them, fine. Make your choice in freedom. > > But > > > don't deceive yourself into thinking that the ideas you are > basing > > > your eternal destiny on are self-evident, or that they are > > > compatible with the teachings of Christ. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Kai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi > > mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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