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I don't actively have a shingle out for spiritual teaching. If someone asks I can teach some things including meditation which includes shaktipat. This is from the teachings of my tantra guru. I've often on FFL suggested people interested in learning more get acquainted with their local Indian community and just find out what certain practitioners are about. There will be some charlatans but there may be some good teachers. Some tantrics advertise themselves as astrologers which is what my tantra guru did. Many are worth just hanging out with and discussing things. They can be excited about westerners who are interested in the teachings. I also recommend Dr. Robert Svoboda's trilogy on tantra to get familiar with the subject from a standpoint of a westerner who learned from a tantric in India. It was helpful for me in evaluating my tantra guru. As for the TM-Sidhis, I was one of many including a few on my Sidhis course who started hopping before getting the flying sutra. I also had a kundalini experience three years before learning TM. In between I was reading up and trying some advaita techniques. I learned TM to see what it was and decided that teaching it might something worthwhile doing during my musician off hours. On 04/15/2015 04:05 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Re I have better techniques to teach than TM, so why would I ever want to teach it again?: Are you still a spiritual teacher then? And what techniques do you now advise seekers to adopt? I'm also wondering if perhaps you found these other techniques useful because you'd already had many years experience of the TM-Sidhi program. (Apologies if you've covered this topic many times before on FFL.) On 04/15/2015 01:42 PM, richard@... mailto:richard@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It looks like you are no longer in good standing with the TMO, your name does not appear on the re-certified list of TM Teachers. Your services are apparently no longer needed. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I wasn't kicked out either. It's just another wild Willytex delusion. As I've mentioned many times, I walked away disgusted that the TMO would charge $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda I could have given myself. That was in 1985. On 04/15/2015 10:55 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center. However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind, I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade. I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh, you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as. As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00 to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed. *From:* richard@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:richard@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM *Subject:* Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure. It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason? Just be honest. Thanks. Questions: What makes someone join a cult in the first place?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Re I have better techniques to teach than TM, so why would I ever want to teach it again?: Are you still a spiritual teacher then? And what techniques do you now advise seekers to adopt? I'm also wondering if perhaps you found these other techniques useful because you'd already had many years experience of the TM-Sidhi program. (Apologies if you've covered this topic many times before on FFL.) On 04/15/2015 01:42 PM, richard@... mailto:richard@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It looks like you are no longer in good standing with the TMO, your name does not appear on the re-certified list of TM Teachers. Your services are apparently no longer needed. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I wasn't kicked out either. It's just another wild Willytex delusion. As I've mentioned many times, I walked away disgusted that the TMO would charge $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda I could have given myself. That was in 1985. On 04/15/2015 10:55 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center. However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind, I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade. I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh, you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as. As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00 to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed. From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure. It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason? Just be honest. Thanks. Questions: What makes someone join a cult in the first place? Why would anyone want to stay in a cult? Why would anyone get kicked out of a cult? Other topics for discussion: How could anyone quit a cult and do it mindfully? Obviously anyone that stays in an abusive cult for a decade or more has already had their brain washed several times over, right? How does someone in a cult get out of the trance-induction state? Should they go see a cult-exit counselor? Some people feel better when they have someone to talk to. I'm not convinced that dialoging on social media will help cure anyone from cult-thinking. Also, what about electric shock therapy? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully. If I was in your state, I'd sue you for slander. What an evil fucking twisted-ass creep you are.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 10:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Pretentious, moi? Re If you are going to name things that cannot be conceptualised, why not give it a name that nobody can understand or figure out rather than one that has obvious personal, societal, philosophical, and religious connotations for most people?: I could say The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. Indeed, I do sometimes say that! Hint: best to pronounce it Dao as that sounds more impressive to the great unwashed who can be fooled into assuming you've really studied this philosophy. ;-) But Tao is a foreign word. Why not use The One or The Absolute or, er, The Godhead? It doesn't do any harm if you're aware that language has developed to deal with the relative world so using English to talk about what lies beyond all concepts can never be more than a finger pointing at the Moon. Eckhart isn't misled by the word Godhead - neither am I. It's pointing towards an experience (which isn't an experience!) rather than a proper noun. 'God' is derived from a foreign word too, whose entomology is a bit uncertain, but the original word, a verb, may have meant 'to pour' or 'to libate' I'm a special case, as happens. I enjoy reading texts which throw in terminology like this sample . . . We pray that we may come unto this Darkness which is beyond light, and, without seeing and without knowing, to see and to know that which is above vision and knowledge through the realization that by not-seeing and by unknowing we attain to true vision and knowledge; and thus praise, superessentially, it that is superessential. I enjoy reading texts like this too, sometimes (= not all the time). Yes - you well might, being Greek (I assume). I was quoting Pseudo-Dionysius' Mystical Theology. Try and explain that to a logical positivist! But I suspect that you can see what the writer is trying to get across and that he is twisting the language into something closer to poetry than philosophy in his desperation. His language overloads our ability to unravel it so you're either launched in the general direction he intends or are left stranded! I like that kind of nonsense because it teases me out of thought. The logical positivists like Ayer and Carnap likened metaphysical language to poetry or music, that from the standpoint of understanding, it's nonsense, but it conveys something on the level of feeling. Non-verbal information, but of course about what you can never specifically say. Raymond Smullyan claimed that those who don't get metaphysical language (like the logical positivists) are like those who don't get music. You either find this kind of talk speaks to you or you have to leave it alone. Dismissing it as nonsense (which it is if taken literally) is to completely miss the point. Re An experience that is non-verbal and cannot be described renders all words concerning it nonsense. Nothing you could say about it could possibly be true.: Indeed. What he's talking about is beyond the true and the false! Beyond what exists and what doesn't exist. Is it therefore nonsense = not worth wasting time on? Or nonsense = leave sense behind because there's something (which isn't a thing) that is more important than your everyday experience leads you to suspect? For the one seeking that elusive, damned thing we call enlightenment, one might consider that the term 'beyond' might also be another red herring that leads astray. Exactly where will the result be if you find it? By the way, Eckhart invents many, many neologisms in his writings. If anyone has any interest in the man I recommend Meister Eckhart: Mystic as Theologian by Robert K.C. Forman. Forman has been a keen transcendental meditator for many years and (although MMY only gets mentioned once in a single sentence) Forman's analysis of Eckhart's medieval sermons shows his path parallels MMY's ideas of the progression from Transcendental Consciousness, to Cosmic Consciousness, to God consciousness. I have thought about this progression, but not everyone seems to experience these things in this particular order or this particular number of divisions. If you take the WC | TC CC GC UC | BC sequence . . . I think I understand the progression from TC to CC to GC. UC and (the late-coming add-on) BC are an enigma to me. It doesn't matter much as achieving CC would be something to brag about - although I wouldn't feel the necessity to brag about it presumably! . . . and divide it up with those vertical bars, the middle section (TC CC GC UC) would likely be called Makkyo (ghosts) by the Zen people, where it corresponds with the middle phrase
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From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 10:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Pretentious, moi? Re If you are going to name things that cannot be conceptualised, why not give it a name that nobody can understand or figure out rather than one that has obvious personal, societal, philosophical, and religious connotations for most people?: I could say The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. Indeed, I do sometimes say that! Hint: best to pronounce it Dao as that sounds more impressive to the great unwashed who can be fooled into assuming you've really studied this philosophy. ;-) But Tao is a foreign word. Why not use The One or The Absolute or, er, The Godhead? It doesn't do any harm if you're aware that language has developed to deal with the relative world so using English to talk about what lies beyond all concepts can never be more than a finger pointing at the Moon. Eckhart isn't misled by the word Godhead - neither am I. It's pointing towards an experience (which isn't an experience!) rather than a proper noun. 'God' is derived from a foreign word too, whose entomology is a bit uncertain, but the original word, a verb, may have meant 'to pour' or 'to libate' I'm a special case, as happens. I enjoy reading texts which throw in terminology like this sample . . . We pray that we may come unto this Darkness which is beyond light, and, without seeing and without knowing, to see and to know that which is above vision and knowledge through the realization that by not-seeing and by unknowing we attain to true vision and knowledge; and thus praise, superessentially, it that is superessential. I enjoy reading texts like this too, sometimes (= not all the time). Try and explain that to a logical positivist! But I suspect that you can see what the writer is trying to get across and that he is twisting the language into something closer to poetry than philosophy in his desperation. His language overloads our ability to unravel it so you're either launched in the general direction he intends or are left stranded! I like that kind of nonsense because it teases me out of thought. The logical positivists like Ayer and Carnap likened metaphysical language to poetry or music, that from the standpoint of understanding, it's nonsense, but it conveys something on the level of feeling. Non-verbal information, but of course about what you can never specifically say. Re An experience that is non-verbal and cannot be described renders all words concerning it nonsense. Nothing you could say about it could possibly be true.: Indeed. What he's talking about is beyond the true and the false! Beyond what exists and what doesn't exist. Is it therefore nonsense = not worth wasting time on? Or nonsense = leave sense behind because there's something (which isn't a thing) that is more important than your everyday experience leads you to suspect? For the one seeking that elusive, damned thing we call enlightenment, one might consider that the term 'beyond' might also be another red herring that leads astray. Exactly where will the result be if you find it? By the way, Eckhart invents many, many neologisms in his writings. If anyone has any interest in the man I recommend Meister Eckhart: Mystic as Theologian by Robert K.C. Forman. Forman has been a keen transcendental meditator for many years and (although MMY only gets mentioned once in a single sentence) Forman's analysis of Eckhart's medieval sermons shows his path parallels MMY's ideas of the progression from Transcendental Consciousness, to Cosmic Consciousness, to God consciousness. I have thought about this progression, but not everyone seems to experience these things in this particular order or this particular number of divisions. If you take the WC | TC CC GC UC | BC sequence and divide it up with those vertical bars, the middle section (TC CC GC UC) would likely be called Makkyo (ghosts) by the Zen people, where it corresponds with the middle phrase in 'before enlightenment mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers, when seeking enlightenment mountains are not mountains and rivers are not rivers, after enlightenment, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers'. Also if you take the outer terms (WC and BC) this corresponds with mountains just being mountains and rivers, rivers, and also the phrase, 'before enlightenment chop wood, carry water, after enlightenment chop wood, carry water'. This would seem to imply (assuming you think the Zen description has something to it) that if you get the desired result, you not only have not gone anywhere, nor have acquired anything new, but rather that nothing at all happened; that the desires, the exhilaration, the terminology, the hopes that one has, when seeking, are all ghosts, a delusion perhaps. Most
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We already know that Barry called the police on us, but do black people in SC really talk like that? Is that why they get shot in the back? Maybe we should just leave the police out of this religious debate and avoid mocking blacks people too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Yep Barry is good at that - I have thus far spared everyone from the Southern dialect expressions except for the few stories I have posted. Thank you. We do have civil rights in the USA so you're not supposed to be discriminating against people based on their skin-color, religion, or national origin. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Re a Chicago sunroof: The great thing about having Barry on this group is that he teaches us Brits unusual, idiosyncratic Yank expressions. Unfortunately, I can't see me ever having to use this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting
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Re a Chicago sunroof: The great thing about having Barry on this group is that he teaches us Brits unusual, idiosyncratic Yank expressions. Unfortunately, I can't see me ever having to use this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her
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Exactly. I argue only with your choice of literary comparison. To me it was obvious that he was trying to emulate King Lear at the end, not Ozimandias. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. So megalomania is a symptom of old age now? I'll watch out for that in my parents. I also think that if you'd spent any time at all living in the TMO you might know them - and Marshy - rather better. Or at least enough to know what everyone thought about him, and it wasn't that he was subject to death's vicissitudes. Quite the opposite. The shock that greeted his obvious dementia was palpable and was rationalised in the usual ways He must be carrying the karma of the world etc. Quite why they let him preach on TV all day every day is beyond me. It used to make me angry that he wasn't propped up in bed with a box of chocolates but that wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to rant and rage at the world that had ignored him, and this he did. With gusto. Quite why anyone would think he would get a free pass (or be deserved one) from a journalist when his major achievement was teaching the Beatles to meditate is beyond me. And it isn't like the question was unreasonable. But his reply speaks volumes, obviously you put that down to infirmity rather than admit that you'd have to change your perception of him. Perhaps if he'd got more open minded enquiry throughout his life rather than being surrounded by yes-men who knew not to ask about George and Ringo or Deepak, or whoever else was the non-flavour of the month, it wouldn't have all got quite so Ozymandias at the end? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back
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Yep Barry is good at that - I have thus far spared everyone from the Southern dialect expressions except for the few stories I have posted. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Re a Chicago sunroof: The great thing about having Barry on this group is that he teaches us Brits unusual, idiosyncratic Yank expressions. Unfortunately, I can't see me ever having to use this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story
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You seem to be angry and upset that you got kicked out of the TMO cult group. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So megalomania is a symptom of old age now? I'll watch out for that in my parents. Non sequitur. It's understandable that you would be upset and typical of almost every informant that ever posted here. FFL gets subscribers all the time making TMO status claims, claiming to be TM Teachers, Ministers or Governors. Out of the hundreds of FFL subscribers over the years only three or four individuals have ever been proven to be real movement insiders. LoL! I also think that if you'd spent any time at all living in the TMO you might know them - and Marshy - rather better. Or at least enough to know what everyone thought about him, and it wasn't that he was subject to death's vicissitudes. Quite the opposite. Non sequitur. Only one one single FFL cult survivor has ever admitted to seeing a cult-exit counselor after getting kicked out of their cult.We True Believers try to help them with their personal problems as much as we can - at one time we had a professional psychologists trying to counsel a few of them. The shock that greeted his obvious dementia was palpable and was rationalised in the usual ways He must be carrying the karma of the world etc. Quite why they let him preach on TV all day every day is beyond me. It used to make me angry that he wasn't propped up in bed with a box of chocolates but that wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to rant and rage at the world that had ignored him, and this he did. With gusto. Non sequitur. So, how long did you live at the TM Center? And, why would you still be praying to the Hindu gods now? Quite why anyone would think he would get a free pass (or be deserved one) from a journalist when his major achievement was teaching the Beatles to meditate is beyond me. And it isn't like the question was unreasonable. But his reply speaks volumes, obviously you put that down to infirmity rather than admit that you'd have to change your perception of him. Non sequitur. Perhaps if he'd got more open minded enquiry throughout his life rather than being surrounded by yes-men who knew not to ask about George and Ringo or Deepak, or whoever else was the non-flavour of the month, it wouldn't have all got quite so Ozymandias at the end? Non sequitur. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Non sequitur. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which
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He was just busy creating the perfect man! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. So megalomania is a symptom of old age now? I'll watch out for that in my parents. I also think that if you'd spent any time at all living in the TMO you might know them - and Marshy - rather better. Or at least enough to know what everyone thought about him, and it wasn't that he was subject to death's vicissitudes. Quite the opposite. The shock that greeted his obvious dementia was palpable and was rationalised in the usual ways He must be carrying the karma of the world etc. Quite why they let him preach on TV all day every day is beyond me. It used to make me angry that he wasn't propped up in bed with a box of chocolates but that wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to rant and rage at the world that had ignored him, and this he did. With gusto. Quite why anyone would think he would get a free pass (or be deserved one) from a journalist when his major achievement was teaching the Beatles to meditate is beyond me. And it isn't like the question was unreasonable. But his reply speaks volumes, obviously you put that down to infirmity rather than admit that you'd have to change your perception of him. Perhaps if he'd got more open minded enquiry throughout his life rather than being surrounded by yes-men who knew not to ask about George and Ringo or Deepak, or whoever else was the non-flavour of the month, it wouldn't have all got quite so Ozymandias at the end? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly
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One thing you've probably noticed is that Barry always seems to forget to post a photo of his own face. If the most recent one is any indication, it looks like Barry is in pretty poor condition - he kind of looked like a patient out of One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re a Chicago sunroof: The great thing about having Barry on this group is that he teaches us Brits unusual, idiosyncratic Yank expressions. Unfortunately, I can't see me ever having to use this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about
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Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to
derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them.
I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some
reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it
off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop
asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and
revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles
instead of him.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist
was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM
himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had
abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her.
Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM
was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits
from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top
form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on
him.
The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it
went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just
avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using
every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but
unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything
useful.
And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the
right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have
encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually
accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were
really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them.
*He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many
of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them.
But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said
that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was
self-amusement, not comedy.
In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was
seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm
not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for
an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally
was Robin Williams.
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:28 AM
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Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.:
Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru.
H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there.
What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw
them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of
humor.Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must
be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2
big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm
students.
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From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything useful. And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I
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I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just avoiding
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't
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Marshy used the avoidance technique a lot, even with his devotees. Looking at
his tapes now this is obvious - he would talk in circles until the idiot TM
teacher who had asked the question had forgotten what his questions was, and
most of the audience, being TB'ers chalked it up to Marshy being so cosmic he
had a hard time with the relative world, even with conversations or teaching.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist
was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM
himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had
abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her.
Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM
was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits
from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top
form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on
him.
The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it
went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just
avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using
every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but
unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything
useful.
And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the
right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have
encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually
accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were
really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them.
*He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many
of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them.
But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said
that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was
self-amusement, not comedy.
In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was
seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm
not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for
an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally
was Robin Williams.
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:28 AM
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Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.:
Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru.
H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there.
What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw
them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of
humor.Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must
be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2
big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm
students.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. The TMO hasn't put the video on Youtube for some reason, but this is the interview: Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shame... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html To his millions of dream-eyed devotees, he was the ultimate spiritual leader; a masterful guru whose meditation techniques could induce a state of e... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything
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When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel
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He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. So megalomania is a symptom of old age now? I'll watch out for that in my parents. I also think that if you'd spent any time at all living in the TMO you might know them - and Marshy - rather better. Or at least enough to know what everyone thought about him, and it wasn't that he was subject to death's vicissitudes. Quite the opposite. The shock that greeted his obvious dementia was palpable and was rationalised in the usual ways He must be carrying the karma of the world etc. Quite why they let him preach on TV all day every day is beyond me. It used to make me angry that he wasn't propped up in bed with a box of chocolates but that wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to rant and rage at the world that had ignored him, and this he did. With gusto. Quite why anyone would think he would get a free pass (or be deserved one) from a journalist when his major achievement was teaching the Beatles to meditate is beyond me. And it isn't like the question was unreasonable. But his reply speaks volumes, obviously you put that down to infirmity rather than admit that you'd have to change your perception of him. Perhaps if he'd got more open minded enquiry throughout his life rather than being surrounded by yes-men who knew not to ask about George and Ringo or Deepak, or whoever else was the non-flavour of the month, it wouldn't have all got quite so Ozymandias at the end? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using
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How can you say that which is beyond all verbal description, risen above all concepts could be 'beyond god is the godhead' and that our ground of 'being is identical to the godhead' which as a concept is just shifting the idea of god up a notch and giving it a new name by demoting the 'god' name and replacing it with the 'godhead' name. If you are going to name things that cannot be conceptualised, why not give it a name that nobody can understand or figure out rather than one that has obvious personal, societal, philosophical, and religious connotations for most people? Even the basic idea of a 'ground' conveys common concepts, such as the stability of standing on earth rather than, say, falling off a cliff without a tether. The mind can grasp experiences that cannot be explained verbally, but giving names with common pre-programmed associations certainly cannot be in the service of make such experiences credible. Such experiences have to be talked around, not at directly, by referring to them in multiple non-overlapping ways to keep the mind from hanging its hat on some single piece of nonsense. The more the mind is not locked into a particular idea, the more likely an experience will slip through one's delusions about such experiences. Otherwise you just promote a particular nonsensical facet of what is attempting to be conveyed. If you can describe a non-verbal experience in as many ways as the following list describes the concept of nonsense, perhaps you might better convey a sense, and only a sense to a mind that is interested in having such an experience. An experience that is non-verbal and cannot be described renders all words concerning it nonsense. Nothing you could say about it could possibly be true. In other words, if you really want to attempt such a feat you have to lie, lie, lie through your teeth with a confident smile of knowingness on your face as you con the person into the idea there is such a thing as enlightenment, or whatever similar idiocy you are trying to convey in as many ways as possible. It's reductionism in its worst form, trying to reduce an irreducible experience to a phrase someone thinks they understand. You do not want them to understand, you just want them to have the experience, you have to pull the ground out from under their feet. You have to throw them over a mental cliff from which they cannot recover. Word Definition ackamarackus pretentious or deceptive nonsense baboonery foolishness; stupidity; nonsense balderdash nonsense; a jumble of words ballyhoo bombastic or pretentious nonsense baloney humbug; nonsense bambosh deceptive nonsense bilge lower point of inner hull of a ship; nonsense or rubbish blague humbug; pretentious nonsense blague pretentious nonsense blarney skilful flattery; nonsense bletherskate a garrulous talker of nonsense brimborion worthless nonsense; trash bugaboo loud or empty nonsense buncombe speech-making intended for the mass media; humbug bunk nonsense; humbug bushwa nonsense cack rubbish; worthless nonsense claptrap showy language designed to gain praise; nonsense clatfart idle chatter; nonsense codswallop something utterly senseless; nonsense effutiation twaddle; humbug eyewash humbug; something done merely for effect fadoodle nonsense falderal nonsense; meaningless refrain of a song fandangle pretentious tomfoolery fiddlededee nonsense fiddle-faddle trifling talk flam humbug; trickery flannel ostentatious nonsense flapdoodle gross flattery; nonsense flimflam nonsense; trickery flummadiddle nonsense; humbug flummery anything insipid; empty compliment; humbug fribble frivolous nonsense; a trifling thing or person fustian pretentious writing or speech; inflated or nonsensical language galbanum nonsense; a kind of gum resin galimatias nonsense; confused mixture of unrelated things gammon to feign an action; perpetrate a hoax on; nonsense, rubbish gibberish nonsense talk grimgribber learned gibberish; legal jargon haver foolish nonsense hibber-gibber gibberish hogwash nonsense; worthless idea hooey nonsense; humbug humbug nonsense jabberwock nonsense, gibberish jiggery-pokery deceptive or manipulative humbug kelter nonsense kidology deceptive trickery; nonsense linsey-woolsey coarse inferior wool or wool-flax weave; nonsense or confusion macaroni nonsense; foolishness malarkey humbug; nonsense morology nonsense mullock nonsense; rubbish mumbo-jumbo obscure nonsense narrischkeit foolishness; nonsense nugament nonsense; trifle phonus-bolonus exaggerated trickery or nonsense piddle nonsense pigwash rubbish; nonsense poppycock humbug; nonsense posh nonsense quatsch nonsense rannygazoo foolish nonsense razzmatazz meaningless talk; hype; nonsense rhubarb nonsense; actors' nonsense background chatter riddle-me-ree nonsense language rottack rubbish; nonsense schmegeggy nonsense; an idiot shuck nonsense skittles rubbish; nonsense slipslop nonsensical talk spinach
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Re when Meister Eckhart says it, it's wise.: Dawkins and co are *reductive* and try to pooh-pooh the God idea. We're just animals too clever for our own good. Eckhart wants his listeners to *rise above* all concepts - including that of God. Beyond God is the Godhead which is beyond all verbal description. The ground of our being is identical to the Godhead. It's western Advaita Vedanta. (It's also heresy!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So let me get this straight. When people on this forum say they have no need for God, you get offended and/or occasionally join the Fundies in putting them down, but when Meister Eckhart says it, it's wise. Interesting. :-) From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ Re I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God: Man's last and highest parting occurs when, for God's sake, he takes leave of God. Meister Eckhart (AD 1260 – 1328), Christian mystic and theologian. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : Thanks, Xeno, for your always thoughtful reply. I will read some Anthony DeMello. I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God (not that it is the last thing, but that you will give it up). I have always thought that MMY and other gurus who might be genuinely enlightened keep on with the devotion and rules because for some folks it really does get them on the road - even if in the end it was all a game. I don't know how many people benefit from a spiritual path compared to how many get stuck or sidetracked in the muck. I guess we just goe with what occurs I too had an experience where I felt a part of it all - it was about a year after I had learned to meditate. I had just finished my 20 or 30 minutes one evening, went out to the patio and sit and look around. I felt as if my whole head and body expanded and the whole Universe seemed to be slowly spiraling all around. It was a huge black surge filled with stars and light. I assumed it was Reality and illustrated the force of Evolution. Everything, everything was caught up in this spiraling, slow flow. Nothing could escape it - so that any bad or tragic events just got pulled along and made right, over time and in the end, by this flow. It was entirely reassuring, altho not logical, of course. It seemed to mean that everything was alright just as it happened and would be made right somehow over time. It faded a while later, sadly.
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Re What I'd do is find a completely different dynamic, one in which the teacher could teach *without ever being perceived as a teacher*: Those old Zen stories always appealed to me (and no - I don't understand them any more than anyone else does!). Although I suspect that a real-life, flesh-and-blood Zen abbot would be rather like a private-school master - a disciplinarian teaching by rote - the ones you encounter in koans are always surprising and unsettling. Here's a nice example . . . A Confucian scholar went to a Zen Master for instruction. The scholar constantly complained that the Master's account was incomplete and that the Master was withholding some vital clue from him. This the Master as constantly denied. Later, the two went for a walk together. Suddenly the Master said: Do you smell the mountain laurels? The student said Yes! The master said, See! I am not withholding anything from you! You couldn't ask for a clearer example of a teacher showing a student that the master should not be perceived as a teacher. One thing I've noticed about religious-cum-spiritual writing is the rarity of humour. Your remark about a teacher maybe being a comedian is one that highlights that weakness in the usual approach. (Aleister Crowley was big on satire, salacious jokes and witty presentation but his many vices tended to undermine his positive influence!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is an interesting question on many levels, Wayback, so I'll riff on it a little bit, on several levels. On the first -- surface -- level, I think there is a case to be made that *most* spiritual teachers wind up consciously or unconsciously emulating *their* teachers' acts. That is certainly what Maharishi did, trying to recreate the same India-ashram gotta-do-what-the-teacher-says-because-teacher-always-knows-best mindset that he knew from Guru Dev's ashram. Interestingly, that is also exactly what Fred Lenz-Rama did, too. On the surface he put down his former teacher Sri Chinmoy constantly, but he wound up creating a spiritual community that was *remarkably* like Chinmoy's. I think the same phenomenon also covers why people who might even be having legitimate enlightenment experiences (and thus know from experience that the whole concepts of path and devotion are bogus) wind up replicating those bogus paths in their own teachings. They *should* know better, but they do the same thing *anyway*. You wind up doing what you've seen done. On another level, I have often wondered what form a *truly* enlightened teaching would or should take in this era. If it were me being the enlightened one, and feeling as if I had things that might be of use to other people to learn, I'm pretty sure I would avoid the traditional teacher-student dynamic completely. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot lingam, because I have *never* encountered an instance in which the traditional model worked out well for both teacher and students. It just comes with too much baggage to ever really work. (And it won't work for Adyashanti, either, because he won't be able to avoid the baggage, either.) What I'd do is find a completely different dynamic, one in which the teacher could teach *without ever being perceived as a teacher*, and without ever having to run the temptation gamut of working with students. I would think that the most effective way for such a truly enlightened person to pass along fingers pointing to the moon would be in the form of art, writing, music, or some other form of entertainment. A truly enlightened writer could write fiction and allow people to get high and learn a few things that might prove useful to their own spiritual self-discovery. And the writer could earn a living from it WITHOUT having to take that money directly from the students or interact with them. Same with art, or with music. My favorite notion for such a truly enlightened way of teaching, however, would be for the truly enlightened person to become a stand-up comedian. He or she would get people high by making them laugh. Period. No other bullshit or spiritual baggage. You pay yer money and the enlightened guy makes you laugh -- at the world, at its ups and downs and highs and lows, and most importantly, at yourself. And if you laugh at yourself enough times, the self falls away, and thus enlightenment was actually able to be taught. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ Xeno, Given what you say about enlightenment, do you think that an already enlightened person would ever start a movement or organization to help others get enlightened? Like Adya? Also, if we assume that there are enlightened people around the world, why do some
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Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.: Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru. H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there. What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of humor. Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2 big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm students.
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An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there. What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of humor. Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2 big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm students.
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I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have
encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually
accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were
really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them.
*He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many
of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them.
But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said
that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was
self-amusement, not comedy.
In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was
seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm
not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for
an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally
was Robin Williams.
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Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.:
Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru.
H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there.
What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw
them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of
humor.Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must
be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything useful. And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them. *He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them. But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was self-amusement, not comedy. In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally was Robin Williams. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.: Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru. H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there. What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of humor. Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2 big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm students.
