[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 10, 2005, at 1:04 PM, anonymousff wrote: FWIW, in numerous lectures at the first Mallorca TTC, Jan-June, 1971, Maharishi told us (many times) that we should get rid of as many bad habits as possible before CC

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Peter
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj snip I once believed that but I no longer do. To me all the whole sheband now means is that whoever you are, however you act, as you become increasingly free from the binding influence of action, you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Vaj
On 10/10/05 3:28 PM, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting point. It's different though as we approach Unity and the extinction of all phenomenon. There's actually a yogic saying on this which states Ascend with Conduct, Descend with the View. In other words, as your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Vaj
On Oct 10, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Peter wrote: Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary of the individual than some assessment of enlightenment. By the way, I just realized, the term enlightened behavior is an oxymoron. There is no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary of the individual than some assessment of enlightenment. By the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Peter
--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even more key, it seems to me, is Krishna's assertion, Unfathomable is the course of action. BIG SNIP We can, however, keep in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread akasha_108
Peter: Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary of the individual than some assessment of enlightenment. By the way, I just realized, the term enlightened behavior is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as enlightened behavior. There's just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even more key, it seems to me, is Krishna's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Vaj
On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:00 PM, peterklutz wrote: In the BG MMY says at least two things that might be of guidance. The first is that an enlightened individual (another oxymoron..?) always acts to promote evolution. Precisely...and this would be enlightened *activity*...typically the province

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:00 PM, peterklutz wrote: In the BG MMY says at least two things that might be of guidance. The first is that an enlightened individual (another oxymoron..?) always acts to promote evolution.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Action, indeed, should be understood, wrong action should also be understood, and inaction should be understood as well. Unfathomable

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Action, indeed, should be understood, wrong action

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you hold that sadhana have not effect on behavior? Decreased anger, guilt, embarassment, jealousy, envy, and reactiveness, along with increased happiness, sparkle, crativity, love, tolerance, flexibility and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread Vaj
On Oct 10, 2005, at 7:02 PM, peterklutz wrote: Ok, so control-freaks need not heed MMY's reported 197? comment on loosing one's bad habits? No hard and fast rule, but from this POV you transform the negative, neurotic dimension of existence into All-Accomplishing Wisdom.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- huge snip -- I think it's a mistake to consider positive (sattvic?) actions/events and evolutionary-promotive action to be the same,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread akasha_108
Akasha: do you hold that sadhana have not effect on behavior? Decreased anger, guilt, embarassment, jealousy, envy, and reactiveness, along with increased happiness, sparkle, crativity, love, tolerance, flexibility and compassion seem not only to be positive correlated with sadhanas but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
2 snips: From: anonymousff FWIW, in numerous lectures at the first Mallorca TTC, Jan-June, 1971, Maharishi told us (many times) that we should get rid of as many bad habits as possible before CC because they wouldn't go away just because we were enlightened. He said clearly we take our bad habits

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In both cases there is action that is sattvic then tamasic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread peterklutz
I find your points to be quite off the mark and restrict my critique to the simple observation that almost all of the points credit Bush jr with being far more than he is. manipulative masterminds glorious leader type personalities: Bush is neither glorious nor a leader type, he defaulted into

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Peterklutz wrote: What is it called for someone who is enlightened, when a ripple aware of it's status as the Ocean levels out and in the process performs a yagya that resounds for millenia to come? Peter writes: I think you are attributing qualities and abilities to the enlightened that just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread anonymousff
Peter wrote: I find your points to be quite off the mark and restrict my critique to the simple observation that almost all of the points credit Bush jr with being far more than he is. Thank you for your comments. I agree, I have probably credited Bush with more than he deserves. However, we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior is more a reflection of a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened

2005-10-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- Nicely put. Any concept of enlightened behavior