Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
/And Xeno would know this how?/ Quoting "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" : But CC is not enlightenment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But, as I said, and you neatly sidestepped, the most important way in which TM-Sidhis is supposed to work--creating a situation where the brain remains active while in a PC-like state--does seem to occur. And this explains why most of Fred Travis' enlightened subjects in his study on CC were people who had been doing TM + the TM-Sidhis: on average, the enlightened people had had 15,000+ hours of "sitting time" (to use the Zen term). That's hard to do with just 20 minutes twice daily of TM, but doable with, say, 1 hour twice daily of TM + TM-Sidhis. And if you're on the Invincible America course, they'll pay you to become enlightened: 8 hours/day x 365 = 2920 hours per year, so on average, 5 years of the Invincible America course might be enough to bring someone to CC. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work." Excellent point! And given the fact that no one levitates, talks to or understands the language of animals, turns invisible, walks through solid objects, has unusually demonstrable attributes of friendliness, happiness and compassion (which generally seem to be lacking in the upper echelons of the Movement anyway) one can safely and logically conclude that in fact the TM-Siddhis do NOT work, except to make the practitioner feel they are superior to their non-TM-Siddhi friends and non-TM meditators in general (this is a very real effect of TM Siddhi practice that I witnessed many times over the years, especially in the governors of the Movement.) The other effect is to make the practitioner believe they are doing something good because of the energy they feel whilst doing TM Siddhis. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"? Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
But CC is not enlightenment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But, as I said, and you neatly sidestepped, the most important way in which TM-Sidhis is supposed to work--creating a situation where the brain remains active while in a PC-like state--does seem to occur. And this explains why most of Fred Travis' enlightened subjects in his study on CC were people who had been doing TM + the TM-Sidhis: on average, the enlightened people had had 15,000+ hours of "sitting time" (to use the Zen term). That's hard to do with just 20 minutes twice daily of TM, but doable with, say, 1 hour twice daily of TM + TM-Sidhis. And if you're on the Invincible America course, they'll pay you to become enlightened: 8 hours/day x 365 = 2920 hours per year, so on average, 5 years of the Invincible America course might be enough to bring someone to CC. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work." Excellent point! And given the fact that no one levitates, talks to or understands the language of animals, turns invisible, walks through solid objects, has unusually demonstrable attributes of friendliness, happiness and compassion (which generally seem to be lacking in the upper echelons of the Movement anyway) one can safely and logically conclude that in fact the TM-Siddhis do NOT work, except to make the practitioner feel they are superior to their non-TM-Siddhi friends and non-TM meditators in general (this is a very real effect of TM Siddhi practice that I witnessed many times over the years, especially in the governors of the Movement.) The other effect is to make the practitioner believe they are doing something good because of the energy they feel whilst doing TM Siddhis. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"? Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
But, as I said, and you neatly sidestepped, the most important way in which TM-Sidhis is supposed to work--creating a situation where the brain remains active while in a PC-like state--does seem to occur. And this explains why most of Fred Travis' enlightened subjects in his study on CC were people who had been doing TM + the TM-Sidhis: on average, the enlightened people had had 15,000+ hours of "sitting time" (to use the Zen term). That's hard to do with just 20 minutes twice daily of TM, but doable with, say, 1 hour twice daily of TM + TM-Sidhis. And if you're on the Invincible America course, they'll pay you to become enlightened: 8 hours/day x 365 = 2920 hours per year, so on average, 5 years of the Invincible America course might be enough to bring someone to CC. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work." Excellent point! And given the fact that no one levitates, talks to or understands the language of animals, turns invisible, walks through solid objects, has unusually demonstrable attributes of friendliness, happiness and compassion (which generally seem to be lacking in the upper echelons of the Movement anyway) one can safely and logically conclude that in fact the TM-Siddhis do NOT work, except to make the practitioner feel they are superior to their non-TM-Siddhi friends and non-TM meditators in general (this is a very real effect of TM Siddhi practice that I witnessed many times over the years, especially in the governors of the Movement.) The other effect is to make the practitioner believe they are doing something good because of the energy they feel whilst doing TM Siddhis. From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"? Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
"Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to
establish that they DO work."
Excellent point!
And given the fact that no one levitates, talks to or understands the language
of animals, turns invisible, walks through solid objects, has unusually
demonstrable attributes of friendliness, happiness and compassion (which
generally seem to be lacking in the upper echelons of the Movement anyway) one
can safely and logically conclude that in fact the TM-Siddhis do NOT work,
except to make the practitioner feel they are superior to their non-TM-Siddhi
friends and non-TM meditators in general (this is a very real effect of TM
Siddhi practice that I witnessed many times over the years, especially in the
governors of the Movement.) The other effect is to make the practitioner
believe they are doing something good because of the energy they feel whilst
doing TM Siddhis.
From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to
establish that they DO work.
What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure
Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other
"flavors") occur.
This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more
"subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a
physical side-effect of this "subtle activity."
Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the
stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them.
So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at
least somewhat understood:
the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring.
Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same
general mechanism by which TM promotes CC.
If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown
"powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented.
But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the
internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe
works on an "objective" level?
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's
mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is
still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams,
and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious
state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual
proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real
levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise
differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if
real levitation occurred and then stopped.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
Before you can speculate on how the TM-Sidhis work, it would be good to establish that they DO work. What DOES seem to happen is that the brain tends towards a Pure Consciosuness-like state around the time that hopping (and presumably other "flavors") occur. This supports MMY's claim that their practice stabilizes PC along with more "subtle" activities of the brain. In the case of Yogic Flying, there's a physical side-effect of this "subtle activity." Long-term, TM-Sidhis practice does, as MMY asserted, seem to hasten the stabilization of higher states of consciousness, as he defined them. So, with respect to THAT claim, the TM-Sidhis work, and the mechanism is at least somewhat understood: the brain remains in a PC-ish state while specific activities are occurring. Simple plasticity explains how this promotes "higher states": it's the same general mechanism by which TM promotes CC. If you're looking for explanations of how "flavors" transition into full-blown "powers," that aint going to happen until "powers" are documented. But why do you care, unless you're hoping for external confirmation that the internal perception that Self is atman is Brahman really is how the universe works on an "objective" level? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Activating "junk-DNA"?
No. Some think siddhis are techniques for consciously activating the brain's mechanisms that come into play during dreaming sleep, but when the mind is still awake. Thus various internal experiences people report would be dreams, and things like 'flying' would be like sleepwalking, but in a more conscious state. This hypothesis provides an alternative explanation as long as actual proof of the siddhis are not scientifically confirmed, for things like real levitation have observable physical consequences that would have precise differences from, say, hopping; conservation of momentum would be broken if real levitation occurred and then stopped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are siddhis mainly based on activating some "junk-DNA"??
