[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-27 Thread anartaxius
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, This is the first part of my reply below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Response in blue, below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, My reply is highlighted in red below: anartaxius@...> wr

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-27 Thread jr_esq
Xeno, This is the first part of my reply below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Response in blue, below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, My reply is highlighted in red below: anartaxius@...> wrote: The reason I posted the link is that it took

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-27 Thread anartaxius
Response in blue, below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, My reply is highlighted in red below: anartaxius@...> wrote: The reason I posted the link is that it took the position that the universe came from nothing, is essentially nothing. No idea of cosmic mind. I di

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread doctordumbass
...damn...*such* a selection! YOU choose...though I *am* drawn to the Liz number (or is that Katy?), much more than either, 'Raggedy Annie', or, 'The Newt'...But, if I was still working in an office, it'd be, 'The Newt', fer sure - though I might try for the wig, AND hair in a can, to achieve mo

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2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Also, does anyone have the 1-800 number, for the, 'Hair In A Can' folks, please? I checked Amazon, but all I could find was this crap: https://app.box.com/s/d34i8hmhxpj5pg51kpr5 https://app.box.com/s/d34i8hmhxpj5pg51kpr5 and the other option I

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2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks, again, Ann - Agreed, life *can* be tough. ...and a picture is worth a thousand words, so here is a recent "selfie". I hope, sincerely, that it reassures anyone reading my recent postings: https://app.box.com/s/aycqjeqd7tl2mfj0l86r https:

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread doctordumbass
Also, does anyone have the 1-800 number, for the, 'Hair In A Can' folks, please? I checked Amazon, but all I could find was this crap: https://app.box.com/s/d34i8hmhxpj5pg51kpr5 https://app.box.com/s/d34i8hmhxpj5pg51kpr5 and the other option I found, scrounging around, in the back of my closet,

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2014-02-25 Thread doctordumbass
Thanks, again, Ann - Agreed, life *can* be tough. ...and a picture is worth a thousand words, so here is a recent "selfie". I hope, sincerely, that it reassures anyone reading my recent postings: https://app.box.com/s/aycqjeqd7tl2mfj0l86r https://app.box.com/s/aycqjeqd7tl2mfj0l86r ---In Fairfi

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2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks, Ann. Yes, my mother had an incredibly negative story about me, that was unceasingly perpetuated, and spread, in the face of tests I took, and therapists I saw, who were telling her, and reporting, the direct opposite (she would lie to me

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread jr_esq
Share, You said: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I really like the Thomas Merton quote. I think it's a tidy and yet almost poetic way to get around the "problem" of anthropomorphism. Which btw, I think the atheists have too (-: It also keeps some human beings humble for thin

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread doctordumbass
Thanks, Ann. Yes, my mother had an incredibly negative story about me, that was unceasingly perpetuated, and spread, in the face of tests I took, and therapists I saw, who were telling her, and reporting, the direct opposite (she would lie to me about the results) -- for the first twenty years o

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread authfriend
It's important to note, once again, that "the anthropomorphic view through time" refers to the time before Aristotle. From then on the abstract views of classical theism prevailed among theologians up until very recent times, when some theologians have begun to propose more anthropomorphic conce

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: In the bottom up scenario, the universe somehow comes into being by the unfolding of a few simple autonomous rules and axioms. Both scenarios have problems. Science tends to use the second scenario, that somehow, some random fluctuation resu

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread Share Long
John, I really like the Thomas Merton quote. I think it's a tidy and yet almost poetic way to get around the "problem" of anthropomorphism. Which btw, I think the atheists have too (-: On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:28 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Xeno, My reply is highlighted in r

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread jr_esq
Xeno, My reply is highlighted in red below: anartaxius@...> wrote: The reason I posted the link is that it took the position that the universe came from nothing, is essentially nothing. No idea of cosmic mind. I did not mention cosmic mind. I took the position for the post that there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread jedi_spock
There is no such thing as 'cosmic mind', cause there is no one to "think" of any thoughts. If 'beingness' or consciousness is like electricity, then 'beings' or entities are like light bulbs. I think Ramana gave that analogy. The rules that govern the universe seems more like a computer co

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2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Barry, You said: "My version is: "God is a crutch for those who can't ha

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2014-02-25 Thread Bhairitu
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2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
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2014-02-25 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/25/2014 06:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: *From:* "awoelflebater@..." *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird ---In Fai

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread anartaxius
jr_esq, The reason I posted the link is that it took the position that the universe came from nothing, is essentially nothing. No idea of cosmic mind. I did not mention cosmic mind. I took the position for the post that there is no such thing. The question of how things came to be seems to br

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: It would be much better if your words didn't have such a hollow ring to them. Why so lonely and angry? FYI, those who have suffered emotional abuse often have a difficult time sustaining personal and social relationships. As I said to Ann earlie

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-25 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: From: "awoelflebater@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Barry, You

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2014-02-25 Thread doctordumbass
It would be much better if your words didn't have such a hollow ring to them. Why so lonely and angry? FYI, those who have suffered emotional abuse often have a difficult time sustaining personal and social relationships. As I said to Ann earlier, about you, no one really wants to be an asshole

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2014-02-24 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Barry, You said: "My version is: "God is a crutch

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Barry, You said: "My version is: "God is a crutch for those who can't handle the infinite wonder of reality." Your statement appears to say that you know what reality is. How do you know what is reality? John, Barry loves to seek out

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Barry, You said: "My version is: "God is a crutch for those who can't handle the infinite wonder of reality." Your statement appears to say that you know what reality is. How do you know what is reality?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Xeno, You said: "The following link is to a page where the attempt is made to explain, or at least illuminate the idea of creation from 'nothing' without a god. I debate the sentence 'It takes a Knower to conceive of space and time'. It takes a mind to conceive of space and time. A 'knower' m

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Bhairitu, You said: "But then their is Jr's interest in finding other humanoid species to communicate with. What about learning to communicate with the other intelligent species we have right here on earth? We know that dolphins and whales are very intelligent and I don't think they are ou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Jedi, If you're a TMer you'll understand transcendental consciousness can be achieved and experienced by anyone. And that one can experience TC along with the waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. If you read the Shiva Sutras, the slokas are also talking about the same experienc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread authfriend
One more time: Classical theists do not believe in God as "a being," good or bad. They believe in God as Beingness Itself. Could you elaborate on that please? "Classical theists say that God wills the good of the creatures. Human beings, however, do not always will their

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread salyavin808
Dude, can you press the message history button at the bottom of the reply box before you post or I won't know what post you are commenting on. But whatever it was, making arguments against a theory is fine, especially if you know something about it or know where someone else has gone wrong

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
What you quoted from MMY contradicts all that I read about yoga and philosophy by other authors, some of them much older than MMY. In samadhi, you trancend everything including spatial dimensions. > --- John wrote: > > Jedi, > > How do you know that you're saying is correct and that MM

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Jedi, How do you know that you're saying is correct and that MMY is wrong? Who is the source of your information? And, no, I'm not the old do.rflx.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
Could you elaborate on that please? "Classical theists say that God wills the good of the creatures. Human beings, however, do not always will their own good, or the good of other people. In those cases, on the classical view, God brings it about that people

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jr_esq
Salyavin, You are making arguments against a theory. We'll find the true answer when the theory is proved correct or incorrect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread anartaxius
Could you cite some examples? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread authfriend
I am talking about what are commonly known as classical theists, the mainstream theologians from Aristotle to very recent times. You are talking about the impersonalistic theists. > --- authfriend wrote: > > Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around "of > ol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
You are talking about the impersonalistic theists. > --- authfriend wrote: > > Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around "of > old") would have been wowed by the latest cosmological knowledge, but they > wouldn't have felt their theism to be the least bit thr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread authfriend
Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
Nature throws a wide range of mutations into the environment. Many fail to make it, in the process, but some always survive. This gives evolution the versatility and the flexibility to deal with the capricious and erratic, fluctuations in the environment. The tremendous wastage in the evolu

[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
> --- turquoiseb wrote: > > I completely agree. I feel completely *inspired* by the randomness of it > all, and the fact that it all evolved on its own into as fun a mystery as it > did. > > I honestly don't "get" those who seem to live for the fantasy that they > "understand" the myster

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird

2014-02-24 Thread jedi_spock
> --- John wrote: > > Bhairitu, > > IMO, human beings already have the physiology to inherit the earth, if not > the universe. The key to this inheritance is the ability to gain samadhi > and to maintain it at the various lower states of consciousness. A sloka in > the Shiva sutras