--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. And IMO the Not Knowing, Not
believing
is also another kind of belief even though you might not state is as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
Thanks for your comments Curtis - I don't necessarily agree with all of your
statements but I appreciate you taking the time to articulate your feelings
and thoughts.
Much appreciated Ravi. It is a civilized man who knows
, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting
too. This
really made me think about my own emotions about this group.
Although she is
getting some play from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. And IMO the Not Knowing, Not believing
is also another kind of belief even though you might not state is as
such. And to me this Not knowing belief system is like a kitty playing
with a ball of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting too.
This really made me think about my own emotions about this group. Although
she is getting some play from her original take, she is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting too. This really made me think about my own
emotions about this group. Although she is getting some
play from her original take, she is
Yea agreed-- big, big, big difference between the evangelical crowd and other
Christians. This idea expressed by evangelicals that you are damned unless you
accept Christ as your savior is antithetical to most Christians. Also the idea
popular among evangelicals that all you need to do is click
Thanks Card, I hope it made you laugh a little.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting too.
This
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting too. This really made me think about my own
emotions about this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
Yea agreed-- big, big, big difference between the evangelical
crowd and other Christians. This idea expressed by evangelicals
that you are damned unless you accept Christ as your savior is
antithetical to most
Judy makes a good distinction between the rapture belief and non evangelical
ones, but after death I still get seated in the section with no AC in most
(all?) of them. Catholicism is really clear. Even being a Catholic isn't
enough, you have to punch a lot of time clocks to make it into
Still way too many generalizations, Curtis, where Protestantism
is concerned--different ideas about what it means not to be
saved (the no-AC section is only one option); different ideas
about what it takes to be saved; different ideas about who's
going to be (or has been) saved; different ideas
On May 22, 2011, at 10:18 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
But here is where is gets even more interesting for me. Even though this
event was a compressed example put into a falsifiable form, the rapture is
not a fringe belief. It is mainstream Christianity. And if you drop the
date all the
Great rap, Curtis. I've often theorized that many of
the Hindu-wannabees who swung behind the idea of
reincarnation did so just so they wouldn't be forced
to live with the Judeo-Christian notion of Heaven. I
mean, you've got to be *nice* to the other people in
Heaven and treat them as your equals,
I think Camus already did a pretty good job with your idea in No Exit.
Hell is other people!
I have always thought that this whole getting off the cycle of birth and
death deal is kind of life denying. It makes a lot more sense for someone born
in Calcutta than someone born in North East
Just very quickly, because you missed my point (I'll get back
to the rest later):
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
snip
I believe that juxtaposing humor into serious discussions is
a form of art's integration that engages more neurology.
Oh, I
Well I'm sure that is true. Sometimes it is a hard balance to strike,
especially on a first draft. I appreciate the feedback especially considering
the field you are in!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
Just very quickly, because you missed my point (I'll
Well I'm sure that is true. Sometimes it is a hard balance to strike,
especially on a first draft. I appreciate the feedback especially considering
the field you are in!
I come up against this in my school shows often. I learn more in every show I
do. I had a bit that I used to do where I
They want my head on a pike for eternity! Bastards...!
Sal:
Well said Curtis
Don't you just hate those Milanarians and dooms-day
fanatics!
Less than 10 years. That, Gore warns, is all the time
that leading scientists say we may have before we
cross a point of no return -- unless we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
Still way too many generalizations, Curtis, where Protestantism
is concerned--different ideas about what it means not to be
saved (the no-AC section is only one option); different ideas
about what it takes to be saved;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
Well I'm sure that is true. Sometimes it is a hard balance
to strike, especially on a first draft.
Not surprising. Humor can be tricky, especially in the
context of a sensitive subject. Just for one thing,
I'd
Glad to hear it - I am working off a small sample from experience only,
transforming that into a bias.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
Yea agreed-- big, big, big difference between the
I recognize that I was stating some pretty wide assumptions. I also understand
1)there is no one size that fits all, and 2) no one gets out of here alive.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
Judy makes a good distinction between the rapture
Reincarnation and heaven are not realities opposed to each other. Its just the
fantasy that one spends one's afterlife in either heaven or hell *eternally*
that is opposed to reincarnation.
Also, the self and manifest world don't vanish with Self Realization. Maharishi
said the EXACT OPPOSITE
articulate their point of view
any better. The world is evolving, we used to burn heretics and witches at the
stake.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re
Comes from Jerry Jarvis. (statement to me in 1973, I was in his office one day
when he said emphatically that after reaching Unity, the only fate is
annihiliation of existence, relatively speaking; since the supposed purpose of
evolution has been fulfilled and there's nothing else to do). In
There is no confusion if the words of Master's aren't taken literally.
They create the idea of specialness understanding the greedy
goal-oriented nature of the human mind that feels a need to be special.
They then promise followers eternal bliss in heaven, and they create a
sense of urgency by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
There is no confusion if the words of Master's aren't taken literally.
They create the idea of specialness understanding the greedy
goal-oriented nature of the human mind that feels a need to be
special.
They then promise
and offered it as a
sacrifice for the redemption of sin to keep one out of hell. Is this your real
grievance?
From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 6:37:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another
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Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting too. This
really made me think about my own emotions about this group. Although she is
getting some play from her original
after reaching Unity, the only fate is annihiliation of existence, relatively
speaking; since the supposed purpose of evolution has been fulfilled and
there's nothing else to do). In other words, total extinction of all bodies,
gross and subtle; but the Self remains, of course, without any
below: can't reincarnate, can't take a body; that's because in the
MMY/Jarvis model (from Shankara?); there are no bodies. The elements making
up those bodies completely disintegrate at death, among those in CC higher;
again, with no options. Conventional bodies of course exist, case in
at
the
stake.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting too
Go read Shankara's commentary on the Brahma Sutra-s.
He says if you want to reside in Brahma-loka you may do so - that is
until everything is dissolved at the cosmic pralaya. If you want to play
around and enjoy cosmic siddhi-s you may also do that.
He also says that you may even be called back
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting
too. This
really made me think about my own emotions about this group.
Although she is
getting some play from her original
their
point of view
any better. The world is evolving, we used to burn heretics and
witches at the
stake.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re
Sometimes the speculation here on FFL is comical. Agreed!...especially what's
written underneath Go read Shankara's commentary...; but thanks anyway; I'll
pass on Shankara.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/beauvais/art_14_Dragon-at-the-Djinn.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill
Sounds to me as if Maharishi should have read Shankara's
commentary. :-)
We're very aware that there are different theories about
all of this, empt. What you seem unaware of is what MMY's
stance was. It was intractable; in the famous talks being
referred to here questioners went on for some
On May 23, 2011, at 9:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
It would be more helpful if you would hold your own pretensions in
equal contempt.
So are you going to list what you think they are or should I put this in my
you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
Ignoring the fact that someone who claims to be
Maharishi-enlightened is ignorant of one of MMY's
most controversial teachings, it's a pretty contro-
versial teaching.
Yes, one of his most controversial, in fact.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
It would be more helpful if you would hold your own pretensions in
equal contempt.
So are you going to list what you think they are or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On May 23, 2011, at 9:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
It would be more helpful if you would hold your own pretensions in
equal contempt.
So are you
sayin'
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 5:00:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
Does it help that I hold all their pretensions about knowing what happens after
.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting
too
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
It would be more helpful if you would hold your own pretensions
.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting
too. This
really
On the TTC/Fiuggi 1972 course, I listened to him categorically deny the
possibility of a fully enlightened person returning to manifestation
after the stream of his/her prana merged into the ocean of prana.
I knew enough Buddhism (Dr. Alfonso Verdu, 1969-1972) to know this
opinion was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill
I'm not surprised that Jimbo doesn't know this, because he has the
intel-lectual depth of a turnip
Self realization has nothing to do with memorizing the words of a Master. After
all it hasn't worked for you, has it? Again, you don't know what you are
talking about.:-)
--- In
.
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:18:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And another bite...
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Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really
interesting
too. This
really made me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Still way too many generalizations, Curtis, where Protestantism
is concerned--different ideas about what it means not to be
saved (the no-AC
Excellent find Judy. The follow-up comments are really interesting too. This
really made me think about my own emotions about this group. Although she is
getting some play from her original take, she is still cashing in on the story
like everyone else. But that is not the most interesting
I enjoyed reading this, Curtis, but I'm working on a
deadline and have very little time to comment. Wanted
to make two main points:
--All Christians are taught the Second Coming, but the
Rapture belief isn't universal by any means. Maybe that
isn't what you meant to suggest by mainstream? It's
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